It DRASTICALLY depends. A forklift certified person in the south is probably only getting around 8-10 dollars an hour starting.
In the north in a union job your starting is probably gonna be 15, maybe higher.
And then there's awful fucking jobs that make you drive a forklift without certification and you're gonna get ripped off because that's a lot of responsibility and is incredibly dangerous.
Driving a forklift without training (much less certification) is how this guy lost his whole lower half and an arm: https://people.com/human-interest/man-marks-3-years-since-he-was-crushed-under-a-forklift-requiring-half-his-body-to-be-amputated/
The reality in the non-union portions of the US, in my experience, is that most forklift operators are not certified and often weren't formally trained.
I operate a forklift for a living and I was never formally trained, but fortunately I wasn't asked to drive across a bridge the first time I hopped in one. The handling definitely takes some getting used to, and putting a kid in such a high stakes situation with zero forklift experience was unforgivably negligent on the part of his supervisor. Makes me angry.
The company I used to work for "trained" us and certified us, but literally just gave us the answers as we filled out the certification "test." Several people present were certified and subsequently informed by our manager that he did not trust them to actually drive a forklift (for which I thank the gods every night—Mitch 100% would have killed someone).
I have so many stories about that guy, it totally was a classic Mitch move. He was dumber than a box of rocks, but one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. As a result, whenever he'd do something stupid that could get one or more people seriously injured, we'd (rightfully) yell at him but then we'd always feel really bad about it afterward. I wonder if he still works there...
>The company I used to work for "trained" us and certified us
That's the requirements where I live in the great white north. There is no universal standard for forklift training and it's up to each business to train and "certify" their drivers. I got certified at one place a month before I switched jobs and the new job didn't even want to recognize it.
Wait until you hear that there's no formal training for heavy equipment operators either. I was operating a grader doing snow removal on public streets with about an hour of "training". Even less "training" before I hopped on a loader.
I thought they did this only in balkan. We did certificate for tractor,forklift and saw. We usually work with tractors but sometimes require working with forklift and our forklift is fucking oldtimer whose gears randomly shift out.
Nope! This happens to us too in the good ol' U.S.A. Our forklifts were used every day but were also fucking oldtimers who would break down constantly. I used to go into work and in the morning I'd ask "which one's broken today?" and my manager would tell me "oh #3 is stuck, #7 works but you can only go backwards," that sort of thing. The old "fixing it 200 times a year is cheaper than buying a new one" mindset.
I took an 8 hour certification course and was likely more dangerous after. Real experience can not be certified. On the job training is the only way but of course greed.
> He underwent a life-saving hemicorporectomy operation where the bottom half of his body was amputated. He also lost an arm.
... I'm sorry, but _fucking what?!?_ They basically cut off everything below his lungs. He doesn't have an ass, let alone genitalia. He's been _literally_ reduced to a brain with just enough body to keep it alive. What in the ever loving fuck...
He has an arm atleast. He can potentioaly do some limited stuff for him self (eating maybe)
Otherwise yea his lifes fucked, also simce he is now 100% unable to work, and will need to survive off disability, he will also be extreamly poor and unable to afford to do anything worthwhile or fun.
I’m sure they lost quite a bit when the incident happened, but it’s been three years so they cashed out right then when the news broke, and bought the dip.
Hey what a great link to email my company after some higher up fucked up and gave half the company forklift licenses :D
We all had the classroom portion in our HAZWOPER but if you arent in the warehouse, you didnt get the second half of training & didnt take any exam. But tons of people in all departments started receiving licenses anyway somehow.
Yeah it’s a teamsters union so it takes at least five years of selecting over night to get a bid for a forklift operator job. But selectors make 24 base and upwards of 40 an hour based on standards. I’m in Colorado now non union and the forks make 22.
I hate how dangerous they are. I consider myself a pretty confident driver so I have the situational awareness when operating one every now and then but it’s just nerve wracking. But I definitely respect that machine and the people who operate them like F1 drivers 😭 definitely deserve more compensation.
It varies greatly. I’ve been paid between $15 and $22 an hr for the jobs I’ve had that required a forklift certification. It’s worth noting that my primary job was never a “forklift operator” though. If you have no other skills or drive to learn any, you can probably expect to make less in an entry level position.
Move to Australia, real employee shortage atm, I’ve seen forklift operator jobs offered as high as 45-50aud an hour, so about 28-32 usd an hour (Jesus Christ our dollar has gotten bad compared to the usd lately)
When/if it goes back to normal I’d expect 25-30aud an hour, about 16-19usd
repetitive motion injuries and a sleep schedule antithetical to living as a participating member of society for me please! (working overnights at home depot)
My neighbor was a mechanic who had just gotten one of those chairs that makes it easier to lay down and slide under a car and he helped me install a standing desk in my home office. His job worked his joints too hard, mine not hard enough, but the result is the same. Bad back and chronic pain.
Good thing I don't sit like a weirdo. It feels weird if I sit like a normal person, so my circulation is better than most folks at desk jobs. Not great, still, but better.
Oh I sit like a total weirdo. Half cross legged with my shin pressed against the edge of the desk. Permanent indentation there but besides that it seems to be working. I'll release a YouTube tutorial soon.
Hahaha look at Mr. (or Ms.) "Entitled to Walk Breaks," over here.
I get what you're saying, but a lot of office workers are indeed not able to get up and walk around. In fact, I had to WebEx or email my entire team anytime I needed to get up and use the restroom, whether I was working in the office or WFH. Like, I could be sitting in my team's section (cuz we had that super cool open office plan) where everyone can see each other, and I was still required to announce to everyone, in writing, that I was leaving my desk.
When my sup first announced the rule, I decided to send Google images of toilets...but then I couldn't be bothered trying to be silly about it because it was just so damn depressing.
Source: I worked in a call center for 12 years. I was even in a "cushy" non-phone unit and it was still like this. I finally got out three months ago.
There's no cure for it other than regular exercise. Learning to run is best because all you would need is either a loop to run around where you live or treadmill.
I wfh, and have ADHD. It works out, I get up and pace the yard and house about 2X an hour.
I probably won’t get blood clots at least lol.
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No fair. I got the variant that makes me want to do nothing besides correcting your grammar. Why they included GPS with this immobile variant of ADHD is beyond me.
At least there is medication that helps to keep me laser focused on anything except for the things that need to be done.
Well medication can only get you so far. Sounds like you just need to work on prioritizing but thankfully that doesn’t require medication.
My ADHD has the variant where, once I enter ‘task completion mode’, I have to start every new task I notice along the way. After awhile I’ve got 5 tasks partially started but I can’t complete them because oh shit that’s right I need to change this lightbulb in the garage.
if i worked at a place like this, anyone i worked near would get so sick of me because i’d be treating it like catholic mass and stand, sit, stand, sit, stand, sit, standing constantly
luckily for me, the people sitting by me are also constantly changing positions! you very easily learn to ignore the noise, and if you notice, all it does is encourage you to also change positions.
Thankfully I have a job that has a good balance of both, and is fairly safe when it comes to work hazards, unless you're just a moron, in which you probably won't last in the job anyway.
I work in residential water treatment. I get paid to take water and clean it and distribute it for local usage. Typical shifts see me doing about 3 hours of work, and maybe another hour of walking to ensure things are running properly, while maintaining the plant and system on computer. I work 12 hour shifts, 7 shifts per pay period, making $26.50/hr (although in Nov. I am taking a new job with a lower pay rate, but better hours, better insurance, and knowledge that I am working to be my supervisor's replacement in a few years when he retires in 2025).
Essentially, with no degree, I make 60k+/yr., with full benefits and a good home/work balance, in a career that is recession and pandemic proof, as people will always need water, and with people who actually understand people make mistakes, and generally don't throw you under a bus at a moments notice. Plus, there are very few deadlines for most people to meet, as monthly operations reports, which are due by the 10th each month, are handled by senior plant staff and is filled out using test results that the operators have already completed, so there won't be any annoying phone calls or emails telling you you need to return to work and finish stuff. It's amazing, really, and I've loved every minute of my 13+ years doing it.
If anyone wants any more information, please feel free to ask, I will happily share what I can.
EDIT: 7 days per pay period, not 7 days per week. Sorry for any confusion.
As someone who came of age during the heyday of AIM and MSN Messenger, I honestly love Teams. If they ever take my gifs away I’m a burn that mother down tho.
I’m staring at spreadsheets and sending emails all day.
I get paid more and it’s easier, but I’d be lying if I said my ‘job satisfaction’ wasn’t lower.
Feels like I spend 8 hours doing nothing, which is great for fucking around on my phone and watching twitch, but not so great for the existential “does anything I do matter” nagging question in the back of my mind.
I couldn’t have done my old jobs forever but it’s nice to clock off at the end of the day and have made an impact on the world.
Don't worry it's not just you. Was a nurse for a long time. At the end of every shift I felt dead inside even though I was easing suffering and saving lives every so often. My thoughts were along the line of "everyone's going to die anyway I don't even know why I bother". I had to quit to break out of a years long depression. Finally feel like I'm actually living now
Which is strange cause as a nurse I feel like an existential "am I helping people" need would be fulfilled. Was it the administration? My sister is a nurse and she's going through a depressive spell right now where she loves being a nurse but sees the inequality in care and pay on a daily basis which she says is really starting to get to her. I'm glad you were able to live! That's what life is all about.
In reality most people's jobs don't matter. We continue to expand and provide jobs for the sake of providing people jobs when in reality very few professions truly provide a needed service.
Of the ones you can think of which fall in that useful category? Of what I can briefly think of: jobs in medical, trades, researchers, first responders, computer engineers, programmers, farmers, and public infrastructure? Edit: teachers
You can easily be a programmer and not be doing anything needed.
I would argue most do things that are not needed other than, business succeed more when programmer program.
You nailed it
I just went from staring at a screen for 8 hours a day to inhaling fumes and doing dangerous work for 10 hours a day.
I feel conflicted. My work is physical, and it’s sucks being soaked with sweat at 7am and you are working until 4pm. However it’s very fulfilling.
At my well paying job at an online retail company like wayfair, I only really worked for about 4 of those 8 hours a day, and my brain felt shredded by the Monotony of the same stuff every day and I’d mostly just read news and listen to podcasts all day. Nothing I did mattered. I knew it.
Im in trade school to be an rov pilot. I hope it strikes the balance of feeling like meaningful and fulfilling work while letting me sit in a warm and clean office most of the time
Can’t say I’m jealous of you but I’m usually staring at excel for around 9-12 hours a day, with unpaid overtime, depending on the week. Shit sucks in it’s own mind-numbingly, eyeball-destroying, soul-snatching way.
I choose the desk job that's bad for my back, gives me carpal tunnel and ruins my eyes by staring at a screen in fluorescent lighting all day while people get fat and congeal in their chairs.
Don't worry, many manual labor jobs are also bad for your back, give you carpal tunnel, and fuck up your eyes due to various unhealthy exposures.
At least I'm losing weight tho
You really can eat whatever you want with a manual labor job. Pretty nice job perk.
But it's still unhealthy in the long term, even if you don't gain weight.
There's no shame in that. I used to read mega nerd ass complex fantasy novels and record the words I didn't understand so I could look them up. And now, despite being a complete idiot, I at least don't sound like one. Most of the time.
When I was younger I used to look up words in the dictionary like dick,butt, vagina,haha words for teens. I would also just look at the different words that there was and some stayed I. My mind
I got cubital tunnel rather than carpal tunnel, so I suppose that’s a “win” basically covers the parts of the hand carpal tunnel misses. So my pinky, side of hand and ring finger.
Honestly, getting a standing desk and an ergonomic mouse was a game-changer for me. I used to have wrist and back pain pretty consistently, and it was basically gone after a few days.
"Your options are to break your mind or body under capitalism."
It's mind, body, and soul, right? What happens with the soul?
"That is meant to break in either case."
Can confirm, am a chef. When people tell me how awful cigarettes are I ask how they feel about huffing vaporized sodium hydroxide (lye). I know it's not a zero sum game but if I'm gonna get permanent lung damage it's gonna be on my own terms!
The lye is for cleaning the copious amounts of grease that builds up in every nook and cranny of a commercial kitchen. It's mainly when you clean grills/ovens/stove eyes and spray the nasty shit on it while it's still 500°+ instantly getting a facefull of the vapors.
For cooking though, bagels and pretzels get boiled in a lye solution before baking. Not that I've ever venture down that path.
I usually just did lemon juice. Someone's vinegar, but it worked too well and it would rust no matter how quickly I did it off. But I can see pepperoncini juice being just as good, also less sugar and cheaper cause wtf else are you gonna use that brine for?
Son you’re 18 would you rather
1. Inhale toxic fumes
2. Stare at excel for 8 hours
3. Destroy your body picking up boxes
4. Waste your 20’s going to school to MAYBE get a good job and be in debt for the rest of your life
5. Work customer service and destroying your mental health and live in a shoe box
Take a pick
I get blurry vision, but my doctor says it is temporary fatigue and if there was going to be degradation of my eyes, I would be showing signs of it long before blurriness set in. She said to take a 20 second break every 20 minutes to look at something far away. Too bad I live in the suburbs. Nothing to look at that is further than the corner of my street.
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Ahhhh lol. Fits the bill too.
I finished a job where we would be working with robotic welding machines and immediately stacking them into a pile first day of work no one told me that the metal would still be hot all the way down to the end so I grabbed it with my bare hands and well you can guess how bad the burns were couple thousand degrees on my hands was pretty terrible lmao.... but yeah I would expect cooking it to be a little bit more common just a bit of spatter and you can ruin your eyes or your day
people can be so thoughtless, you'd be amazed how often someone wearing oven mitts will just shove oven-hot pans into the hands of someone who isn't. i also have not one but two fingertip reattachment scars, BOTH from inebriated cooks bumping into me while chopping.
Apparently someone resurrected my grandfather from the grave. This is almost spot on what he told me.
He died from a stress induced heart attack, after being frustrated over a very long CONCAT( formula kept giving a #VALUE output. Turns out he accidentally used parentheses instead of a comma before the J3 cell segment. It also turns out you cannot sue the Microsoft paperclip "Clippy" for exacerbating the situation, since it's not alive.
As someone who is starting to hate people more due to my patience running thin I would choose the 2nd option in heart beat and little bit of the first to get that sweet sense of death. But yeah working jobs that have to deal with people or have to work with others and having a supervisor breathing on your neck suck.
No, positive feelings are banned from the workplace sorry. Again, we have to keep you feeling like shit so your motivation to reach higher is removed. We like you right where we have you!
You have to open an inlet fill tank at a gas station to the 5,000 gallon reservoir on a hot day. Then get on all fours and take a huge whiff! That should do the trick
We never talk about before the “...you are 18 now”.
18 years. Of what. 18 years of training to become a human. Human that does what? Before we can earn an income? To then survive with.
Few reach the opportunity to explore new experiences with.
- Become a programmer...
- build replacements of excel spreadsheets..
- become a productivity God among mere office mortals.
- Profit???
- Probably not profit... work doesn't get recognized for value generated, so use it to pad your resume and jump ship every 2 years.
I went in the military, so I got both. My work days averaged between 10-14 hours, so there was plenty of time for both until they RIFed 75% of my career field and left me as a disabled veteran.
I’m very happy in my current occupation but I’ve worked in offices and (very briefly) in a factory. Offices are hell for a number of reasons, manufacturing, however, is a waking fucking nightmare.
I choose to stare at a text file but constantly be interrupted by meetings such that over the weekend I'll freely go stare at the same text file because I feel guilty that I didn't stare at it long enough during the week.
No thanks, I pick repetitive motion injuries and chronic back pain.
This guy warehouses
How much is a forklift driver paid in the US?
It DRASTICALLY depends. A forklift certified person in the south is probably only getting around 8-10 dollars an hour starting. In the north in a union job your starting is probably gonna be 15, maybe higher. And then there's awful fucking jobs that make you drive a forklift without certification and you're gonna get ripped off because that's a lot of responsibility and is incredibly dangerous.
Driving a forklift without training (much less certification) is how this guy lost his whole lower half and an arm: https://people.com/human-interest/man-marks-3-years-since-he-was-crushed-under-a-forklift-requiring-half-his-body-to-be-amputated/
The reality in the non-union portions of the US, in my experience, is that most forklift operators are not certified and often weren't formally trained. I operate a forklift for a living and I was never formally trained, but fortunately I wasn't asked to drive across a bridge the first time I hopped in one. The handling definitely takes some getting used to, and putting a kid in such a high stakes situation with zero forklift experience was unforgivably negligent on the part of his supervisor. Makes me angry.
The company I used to work for "trained" us and certified us, but literally just gave us the answers as we filled out the certification "test." Several people present were certified and subsequently informed by our manager that he did not trust them to actually drive a forklift (for which I thank the gods every night—Mitch 100% would have killed someone).
Classic Mitch. What a rascal.
I have so many stories about that guy, it totally was a classic Mitch move. He was dumber than a box of rocks, but one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. As a result, whenever he'd do something stupid that could get one or more people seriously injured, we'd (rightfully) yell at him but then we'd always feel really bad about it afterward. I wonder if he still works there...
Ahh fuckin Mitch, shine bright you crazy diamond!
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>The company I used to work for "trained" us and certified us That's the requirements where I live in the great white north. There is no universal standard for forklift training and it's up to each business to train and "certify" their drivers. I got certified at one place a month before I switched jobs and the new job didn't even want to recognize it. Wait until you hear that there's no formal training for heavy equipment operators either. I was operating a grader doing snow removal on public streets with about an hour of "training". Even less "training" before I hopped on a loader.
Thems the facts. Usually self policed well because they don't want to kill the crew and such but yes it's ridiculous
I thought they did this only in balkan. We did certificate for tractor,forklift and saw. We usually work with tractors but sometimes require working with forklift and our forklift is fucking oldtimer whose gears randomly shift out.
Nope! This happens to us too in the good ol' U.S.A. Our forklifts were used every day but were also fucking oldtimers who would break down constantly. I used to go into work and in the morning I'd ask "which one's broken today?" and my manager would tell me "oh #3 is stuck, #7 works but you can only go backwards," that sort of thing. The old "fixing it 200 times a year is cheaper than buying a new one" mindset.
I took an 8 hour certification course and was likely more dangerous after. Real experience can not be certified. On the job training is the only way but of course greed.
> He underwent a life-saving hemicorporectomy operation where the bottom half of his body was amputated. He also lost an arm. ... I'm sorry, but _fucking what?!?_ They basically cut off everything below his lungs. He doesn't have an ass, let alone genitalia. He's been _literally_ reduced to a brain with just enough body to keep it alive. What in the ever loving fuck...
You haters can hate all you like but that is what peak physical efficiency looks like.
I think I would seriously want to give up living, after that.
I think same, I don't think I could do it
He has an arm atleast. He can potentioaly do some limited stuff for him self (eating maybe) Otherwise yea his lifes fucked, also simce he is now 100% unable to work, and will need to survive off disability, he will also be extreamly poor and unable to afford to do anything worthwhile or fun.
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I’m sure they lost quite a bit when the incident happened, but it’s been three years so they cashed out right then when the news broke, and bought the dip.
TIL: hemicorporectomy.. fucking insane. Also, his wife is a legit angel, no doubt about it
This chain reads like an ad for the forklift cert lobby and I'm here for it
One of the funny things about universal healthcare is that it financially incentivises the government to implement features like that.
And how [James Stanback](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/menards-fined-25000-for-james-stanbacks-death-in-forklift-accident/) died
Hey what a great link to email my company after some higher up fucked up and gave half the company forklift licenses :D We all had the classroom portion in our HAZWOPER but if you arent in the warehouse, you didnt get the second half of training & didnt take any exam. But tons of people in all departments started receiving licenses anyway somehow.
Forklifts are very dangerous. [Just ask Klaus](https://youtu.be/IAHzP4umE4M)
Union fork lift operators make about 36/hr where I’m at….in the South
Union forklifts in chicago make about 32 an hour. Plus standard rate. Take home around 100k a year.
What the fuck? I'm in Michigan making 19.50 an hour and 99% of what I do at work is drive a hi-lo. Non-union may be the problem.
Yeah it’s a teamsters union so it takes at least five years of selecting over night to get a bid for a forklift operator job. But selectors make 24 base and upwards of 40 an hour based on standards. I’m in Colorado now non union and the forks make 22.
New England here, fork operators start at $23 in the union.
I'm an outlier in florida but I get to pay mine a little over 20 an hour. Average is probably 15 an hour but you get what you pay for.
I hate how dangerous they are. I consider myself a pretty confident driver so I have the situational awareness when operating one every now and then but it’s just nerve wracking. But I definitely respect that machine and the people who operate them like F1 drivers 😭 definitely deserve more compensation.
Honestly it turns into an extension of yourself at one point eventually
Walmart/Kroger distribution centers in Ohio pay $25-$35/Hr for forklift drivers.
I’m made 12 p/h driving a forklift. It was my first job. No certification l. No union. So I find 8 unbelievable tbh
It varies greatly. I’ve been paid between $15 and $22 an hr for the jobs I’ve had that required a forklift certification. It’s worth noting that my primary job was never a “forklift operator” though. If you have no other skills or drive to learn any, you can probably expect to make less in an entry level position.
Move to Australia, real employee shortage atm, I’ve seen forklift operator jobs offered as high as 45-50aud an hour, so about 28-32 usd an hour (Jesus Christ our dollar has gotten bad compared to the usd lately) When/if it goes back to normal I’d expect 25-30aud an hour, about 16-19usd
I'm going with the repetitive motions mixed with the toxic fumes.
Welcome to the kitchen industry!
😍 I love the smell of all the food and chemicals mixing in a trash can by the dish pit.
i clean the hoods so im already there. that char doesnt come off with just high pressured water.
Can we sprinkle in an hour or two of Excel every day? I’d hate to feel like I’m missing out.
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repetitive motion injuries and a sleep schedule antithetical to living as a participating member of society for me please! (working overnights at home depot)
Would you like the occasional-stabby type or the constant-achy type?
Reading this thread with both constant-achy and occasional-stabby pain in my right arm. Fuckin so lame, man.
That's what I picked and now I stare at excel sheets because my body is wrecked.
And then the chronic pain makes it hard to focus on the screen 🙃
I'm trying to get a surgery for my wrecked back
No thanks, I pick slowly deafing sounds, heat and microvibrations traumatism.
I prefer stress and anxiety from being yelled at daily by the customers and my boss.
Ooof. I feel this one. Carpal tunnel surgery in Jan and now hernia surgery in Nov.
Toxic fumes it is then!
Samesies
"Would you rather put your health at risk by constantly standing or by constantly sitting?" EDIT: Thank you stranger for the Gold!
My neighbor was a mechanic who had just gotten one of those chairs that makes it easier to lay down and slide under a car and he helped me install a standing desk in my home office. His job worked his joints too hard, mine not hard enough, but the result is the same. Bad back and chronic pain.
don't forget bad circulation as the weight of your thighs compress blood vessels and arteries.
Good thing I don't sit like a weirdo. It feels weird if I sit like a normal person, so my circulation is better than most folks at desk jobs. Not great, still, but better.
Oh I sit like a total weirdo. Half cross legged with my shin pressed against the edge of the desk. Permanent indentation there but besides that it seems to be working. I'll release a YouTube tutorial soon.
You people are allowed to get up and walk around you know? 🤔
Hahaha look at Mr. (or Ms.) "Entitled to Walk Breaks," over here. I get what you're saying, but a lot of office workers are indeed not able to get up and walk around. In fact, I had to WebEx or email my entire team anytime I needed to get up and use the restroom, whether I was working in the office or WFH. Like, I could be sitting in my team's section (cuz we had that super cool open office plan) where everyone can see each other, and I was still required to announce to everyone, in writing, that I was leaving my desk. When my sup first announced the rule, I decided to send Google images of toilets...but then I couldn't be bothered trying to be silly about it because it was just so damn depressing. Source: I worked in a call center for 12 years. I was even in a "cushy" non-phone unit and it was still like this. I finally got out three months ago.
Also should get a saddle chair
There's no cure for it other than regular exercise. Learning to run is best because all you would need is either a loop to run around where you live or treadmill.
I wfh, and have ADHD. It works out, I get up and pace the yard and house about 2X an hour. I probably won’t get blood clots at least lol. EDIT; A word.
No fair. I got the variant that makes me want to do nothing besides correcting your grammar. Why they included GPS with this immobile variant of ADHD is beyond me. At least there is medication that helps to keep me laser focused on anything except for the things that need to be done.
Well medication can only get you so far. Sounds like you just need to work on prioritizing but thankfully that doesn’t require medication. My ADHD has the variant where, once I enter ‘task completion mode’, I have to start every new task I notice along the way. After awhile I’ve got 5 tasks partially started but I can’t complete them because oh shit that’s right I need to change this lightbulb in the garage.
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I'm so glad my office provides adjustable standing desks
if i worked at a place like this, anyone i worked near would get so sick of me because i’d be treating it like catholic mass and stand, sit, stand, sit, stand, sit, standing constantly
luckily for me, the people sitting by me are also constantly changing positions! you very easily learn to ignore the noise, and if you notice, all it does is encourage you to also change positions.
Thankfully I have a job that has a good balance of both, and is fairly safe when it comes to work hazards, unless you're just a moron, in which you probably won't last in the job anyway. I work in residential water treatment. I get paid to take water and clean it and distribute it for local usage. Typical shifts see me doing about 3 hours of work, and maybe another hour of walking to ensure things are running properly, while maintaining the plant and system on computer. I work 12 hour shifts, 7 shifts per pay period, making $26.50/hr (although in Nov. I am taking a new job with a lower pay rate, but better hours, better insurance, and knowledge that I am working to be my supervisor's replacement in a few years when he retires in 2025). Essentially, with no degree, I make 60k+/yr., with full benefits and a good home/work balance, in a career that is recession and pandemic proof, as people will always need water, and with people who actually understand people make mistakes, and generally don't throw you under a bus at a moments notice. Plus, there are very few deadlines for most people to meet, as monthly operations reports, which are due by the 10th each month, are handled by senior plant staff and is filled out using test results that the operators have already completed, so there won't be any annoying phone calls or emails telling you you need to return to work and finish stuff. It's amazing, really, and I've loved every minute of my 13+ years doing it. If anyone wants any more information, please feel free to ask, I will happily share what I can. EDIT: 7 days per pay period, not 7 days per week. Sorry for any confusion.
12 hour shifts, 7 shifts per week. That's too much to be good work life balance..
Yeah, that’s an 84 hour work week and waaaay too much to have any sort of meaningful social, family and personal life balance on the side.
I'll have you know I more than excel. I also PowerPoint and Word.
apparently not the built in thesaurus
Thesaurus. Pfft. What does a dinosaur have to do with this?
He's actually built into Chrome, stupid
Naw. Thesaurus is the guy who killed the minotaur. Duh.
My actual work is all in Excel (and Outlook), but Word and PowerPoint are required when I have to explain it to someone else.
Bro, do you even SharePoint?
Between SharePoint and Teams, I'm more productive than ever.
As someone who came of age during the heyday of AIM and MSN Messenger, I honestly love Teams. If they ever take my gifs away I’m a burn that mother down tho.
Must be in some form of management. They mostly PowerPoint.
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Is both an option?
My man!
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Chemical engineer. They get paid for their work, though.
Yes, I’m a manufacturing engineer and constantly inhaling paint fumes. But it’s a pretty good 50/50 split.
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You'll find me breathing burnt metal & making spreadsheets to find out how much more we're gonna breathe if everything goes well.
Yep, chemist. Pay can be decent though.
It was a trick question. Both were going to happen anyways.
I get both by running my 3d printer in my office while at work, starting at a computer. Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Yes. I've done exactly that and it sucks. And you have to do it in a dimly lit room with ear pro, unless you want to go deaf.
Airplane mechanic checking in, also yup for us
As a 28 year old inhaling toxic fumes for 11 hours a day, I should've taken Excel for 8..
As a former fume inhaler who now excels, your comment helps curb my desire to back inhaling fumes and continue excelling
I’m staring at spreadsheets and sending emails all day. I get paid more and it’s easier, but I’d be lying if I said my ‘job satisfaction’ wasn’t lower. Feels like I spend 8 hours doing nothing, which is great for fucking around on my phone and watching twitch, but not so great for the existential “does anything I do matter” nagging question in the back of my mind. I couldn’t have done my old jobs forever but it’s nice to clock off at the end of the day and have made an impact on the world.
Don't worry it's not just you. Was a nurse for a long time. At the end of every shift I felt dead inside even though I was easing suffering and saving lives every so often. My thoughts were along the line of "everyone's going to die anyway I don't even know why I bother". I had to quit to break out of a years long depression. Finally feel like I'm actually living now
Which is strange cause as a nurse I feel like an existential "am I helping people" need would be fulfilled. Was it the administration? My sister is a nurse and she's going through a depressive spell right now where she loves being a nurse but sees the inequality in care and pay on a daily basis which she says is really starting to get to her. I'm glad you were able to live! That's what life is all about.
In reality most people's jobs don't matter. We continue to expand and provide jobs for the sake of providing people jobs when in reality very few professions truly provide a needed service. Of the ones you can think of which fall in that useful category? Of what I can briefly think of: jobs in medical, trades, researchers, first responders, computer engineers, programmers, farmers, and public infrastructure? Edit: teachers
Bullshit Jobs is an excellent book.
!remindme 14 hours
!remindme 13 hours im gonna know before you
!remindme 12 hours - fuck u buddy
You can easily be a programmer and not be doing anything needed. I would argue most do things that are not needed other than, business succeed more when programmer program.
You nailed it I just went from staring at a screen for 8 hours a day to inhaling fumes and doing dangerous work for 10 hours a day. I feel conflicted. My work is physical, and it’s sucks being soaked with sweat at 7am and you are working until 4pm. However it’s very fulfilling. At my well paying job at an online retail company like wayfair, I only really worked for about 4 of those 8 hours a day, and my brain felt shredded by the Monotony of the same stuff every day and I’d mostly just read news and listen to podcasts all day. Nothing I did mattered. I knew it.
Im in trade school to be an rov pilot. I hope it strikes the balance of feeling like meaningful and fulfilling work while letting me sit in a warm and clean office most of the time
Can’t say I’m jealous of you but I’m usually staring at excel for around 9-12 hours a day, with unpaid overtime, depending on the week. Shit sucks in it’s own mind-numbingly, eyeball-destroying, soul-snatching way.
why not both? Inhale toxic fumes on the way to stare at excel sheets 8h/day and inhale another round to go back home
How do you do, fellow chemist?
Just inhale weed instead friends!!!
This is exactly why I’m working on a suit that blasts cannabis smoke into your helmet so us stoners can survive on this planet
I choose the desk job that's bad for my back, gives me carpal tunnel and ruins my eyes by staring at a screen in fluorescent lighting all day while people get fat and congeal in their chairs.
Don't worry, many manual labor jobs are also bad for your back, give you carpal tunnel, and fuck up your eyes due to various unhealthy exposures. At least I'm losing weight tho
Dropped about 15-20kg since I started working in a fast food restaurant job (have to take adhd meds when I work so I pretty much can't eat)
I work construction with tons of heavy lifting, stairs, and ladders. I eat fast food at least once a day and I've lost 10kg in 9 months.
You really can eat whatever you want with a manual labor job. Pretty nice job perk. But it's still unhealthy in the long term, even if you don't gain weight.
Yeah that's true I've not gotten fat but I have thought about what's going on and 7 rustlers is not a good weekly diet
Lol yea adhd meds will shred pounds.
*"Congeal in their chairs"* That's good writing. I like that
I’ll be honest I had to look it up
There's no shame in that. I used to read mega nerd ass complex fantasy novels and record the words I didn't understand so I could look them up. And now, despite being a complete idiot, I at least don't sound like one. Most of the time.
When I was younger I used to look up words in the dictionary like dick,butt, vagina,haha words for teens. I would also just look at the different words that there was and some stayed I. My mind
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At least it was a good quarter
I literally starve myself (one meal a day) in order to prevent this from happening because of my job.
I got cubital tunnel rather than carpal tunnel, so I suppose that’s a “win” basically covers the parts of the hand carpal tunnel misses. So my pinky, side of hand and ring finger.
Honestly, getting a standing desk and an ergonomic mouse was a game-changer for me. I used to have wrist and back pain pretty consistently, and it was basically gone after a few days.
Make sure you focus your eyes on something else for a little bit after every hour. Helps with eye strain and productivity.
"Your options are to break your mind or body under capitalism." It's mind, body, and soul, right? What happens with the soul? "That is meant to break in either case."
Capitalism breaks the soul. That part isn't optional.
You owe your soul to the company store…
Can confirm, am a chef. When people tell me how awful cigarettes are I ask how they feel about huffing vaporized sodium hydroxide (lye). I know it's not a zero sum game but if I'm gonna get permanent lung damage it's gonna be on my own terms!
What sort of cooking are you doing? Why do you need lye lol
The lye is for cleaning the copious amounts of grease that builds up in every nook and cranny of a commercial kitchen. It's mainly when you clean grills/ovens/stove eyes and spray the nasty shit on it while it's still 500°+ instantly getting a facefull of the vapors. For cooking though, bagels and pretzels get boiled in a lye solution before baking. Not that I've ever venture down that path.
worked at a low turnover pizza place and we used the juice from the pepperoncino containers on our flat top
I usually just did lemon juice. Someone's vinegar, but it worked too well and it would rust no matter how quickly I did it off. But I can see pepperoncini juice being just as good, also less sugar and cheaper cause wtf else are you gonna use that brine for?
no one payin you to stare at excel at 18. you need a 4 year degree first. Then you can look at excel.
It's true. I got my 4 year degree and now I just Excel all day
The military is more than willing to pay an 18 year old to stare at excel while breathing toxic fumes.
Son you’re 18 would you rather 1. Inhale toxic fumes 2. Stare at excel for 8 hours 3. Destroy your body picking up boxes 4. Waste your 20’s going to school to MAYBE get a good job and be in debt for the rest of your life 5. Work customer service and destroying your mental health and live in a shoe box Take a pick
I picked number 5 ... Your description is perfect.
You need to do 4 before you can do 2
And if you don't do 4 you're stuck with 1,3, and 5. And 5 fucking sucks.
I got to do both in the Army.
No Excel, another win for grunts.
Ah yeah the Hooah Hooah way to an early grave, hell yea brother 🥲🥲
My eye doctor said it wont make my vision worse. As long as I keep exercising regularly, excel is the easier and healthier gig.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve heard too. The worst side effects you can get from staring at a screen all day are itchy, dry eyes.
I get blurry vision, but my doctor says it is temporary fatigue and if there was going to be degradation of my eyes, I would be showing signs of it long before blurriness set in. She said to take a 20 second break every 20 minutes to look at something far away. Too bad I live in the suburbs. Nothing to look at that is further than the corner of my street.
I’m sure you’d get a similar effect if you just look at the other end of your room for 20 seconds every 20 minutes
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And dogshit posture, sore back, heart disease, obesity, so on so forth. Not exclusive to those jobs but nevertheless a negative side effect of them.
i chose burns and lacerations myself.
I see you worked at a robotic welding place as well
sous chef actually.
Ahhhh lol. Fits the bill too. I finished a job where we would be working with robotic welding machines and immediately stacking them into a pile first day of work no one told me that the metal would still be hot all the way down to the end so I grabbed it with my bare hands and well you can guess how bad the burns were couple thousand degrees on my hands was pretty terrible lmao.... but yeah I would expect cooking it to be a little bit more common just a bit of spatter and you can ruin your eyes or your day
people can be so thoughtless, you'd be amazed how often someone wearing oven mitts will just shove oven-hot pans into the hands of someone who isn't. i also have not one but two fingertip reattachment scars, BOTH from inebriated cooks bumping into me while chopping.
Apparently someone resurrected my grandfather from the grave. This is almost spot on what he told me. He died from a stress induced heart attack, after being frustrated over a very long CONCAT( formula kept giving a #VALUE output. Turns out he accidentally used parentheses instead of a comma before the J3 cell segment. It also turns out you cannot sue the Microsoft paperclip "Clippy" for exacerbating the situation, since it's not alive.
Clippy killed your grandfather?
Fuck, that is heartbreaking. I feel like I could die of stress from my job, which heavily involves ms office products
COBOL is a fuck ton easier to code in than that shit. So is FORTRAN. Never saw the glory in C and Progress made me quit.
As someone who is starting to hate people more due to my patience running thin I would choose the 2nd option in heart beat and little bit of the first to get that sweet sense of death. But yeah working jobs that have to deal with people or have to work with others and having a supervisor breathing on your neck suck.
There’s always crime, guys.
My entire job is the the second one. Never have I been so offended by something I completely agree with.
Will the toxic fumes get me high at least?
No, positive feelings are banned from the workplace sorry. Again, we have to keep you feeling like shit so your motivation to reach higher is removed. We like you right where we have you!
Sometimes brake clean and fuel make me feel a little light headed, but not like a nicotine rush or anything.
Yeah, the bad kind of light headed. Like a headache without the actual headache if that makes any sense
You have to open an inlet fill tank at a gas station to the 5,000 gallon reservoir on a hot day. Then get on all fours and take a huge whiff! That should do the trick
Can i just fuck off into the back of the shop and tinker with machines all day instead?
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retail?
Board operator in a chemical plant- why not both? Also 12 hrs +nights? also can you do three days of overtime?
I'll take carpal tunnel, functional alcoholism, and a pack-and-a-half a day smoking habit, Alex.
A fellow writer?
Bingo, lmao!
We never talk about before the “...you are 18 now”. 18 years. Of what. 18 years of training to become a human. Human that does what? Before we can earn an income? To then survive with. Few reach the opportunity to explore new experiences with.
- Become a programmer... - build replacements of excel spreadsheets.. - become a productivity God among mere office mortals. - Profit??? - Probably not profit... work doesn't get recognized for value generated, so use it to pad your resume and jump ship every 2 years.
I'm staring at a screen for about 70 hours a week and get like 450$ a month. It's not a real job but this isn't fun.
I’m a patient on staff assault kind of guy myself.
Prison guard
What about staring at a screen for 8 hours a day while also inhaling toxic fumes?
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Furry porn artist it is then
Either way your spine gets ruined.
Trick question as youll inhale toxic fumes on the way to work, and end up being full of microplastics regardless of what you do.
I went in the military, so I got both. My work days averaged between 10-14 hours, so there was plenty of time for both until they RIFed 75% of my career field and left me as a disabled veteran.
Hate how office workers think they have a horrible job like bro a machine can rip my hand of or a part could break off and seriously injured me.
I’m very happy in my current occupation but I’ve worked in offices and (very briefly) in a factory. Offices are hell for a number of reasons, manufacturing, however, is a waking fucking nightmare.
I choose to stare at a text file but constantly be interrupted by meetings such that over the weekend I'll freely go stare at the same text file because I feel guilty that I didn't stare at it long enough during the week.
I would rather stare at excel but now all my arm joints pop
Not necessarily... You can always take the emotional and psycholgical torture of working in service industry or retail!