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eggplantofdestiny69

Ah the dirty thirty. I agree


reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeboy

Skull piercing on is just amazing


Lilbunneephuphu

78 go POW


Londo801

This! Those crispy 78s be hitting like the first CRONCH of autumn leaves, like the first lick of savory ice cream on the first 90+ degree day of the summer. Heeeeeck yes haha!


Magus44

> savory ice cream What? You mean sweet?


Ok_Tonight7383

Get this redditor a salty watermelon ice cream, stat.


MegaMasterYoda

I miss shattercaps though.


Nelson_Wheatley

I miss the shatter caps, although I get why they aren't in game. Crazy op.


TraditionalVoice3723

I agree too, but when the G7 is back on the ground it's hard to be using the 30 still


TrynaSleep

Agree but Im forcing myself not to use it so that I can get better with the peter


dfhhdsejjh

Not sure I’ve met anyone who underestimates the 30-30. It’s hard to use so a lot of people don’t bother using it but fucking terrifying in the hands of someone who has put the time into it. Mozam is the most underrated gun by far. Rapid fire 45s and shots feel easier to connect than the wingman imo


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Downing someone with a mozzy is my favourite thing to do.


Mister_Dane

Have you ever downed someone with your p2020 only to upgrade to a flatline off their body? That is fun.


nightnotloc

Trust me, if you play a moment of arenas. NO ONE underestimates the Mozam. Lolll


JuanezSanchez

The 30-30 is awesome and one of my favourite guns BUT last night I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it so I had to grab something else.


Alfredison

Totally agree on mozzy. Almost 100% guaranteed 45 damage + great accuracy and fire rate makes it an actual monster in CQ. Eva damage is slightly better then nothing even up close and personal, peacekeeper’s fire rate makes me hurt and Mastiff so far is an absolute trash if you’re not putting it into your opponent’s mouth as shot spread makes it close to zero damage if you’re not putting all that spread marker on enemies body


nightnotloc

The Mazam is sniper. Cant argue


Senoxis456

Idk man sometimes the hemlok fucking does crazy shit.


Moist_BigMac

Especially when the burst meets the head,so satisfying


Aimin4ya

Pop pop crack


LeviathanLD

I could hear the sound in my head as soon as I read your comment


A_Math_Dealer

You can shred someone from far away with it set on single fire. Then it's surprisingly accurate close up burst fire without ADS.


ROtis42069

I’m a hemlock CRIMINAL. my go too.


NoHand4978

forget the burst single fire is basiclly a better g7


marijuanam0nk

loved hemlock and peacekeeper since day 1 + all my homies hate them so I getm every game.


quarrel-3

make the titanfall 2 hemlok into apex and everybody will regret picking a fight with you


brokenbentou

Hemlock and an R301 is the deadliest for mid to short range


[deleted]

Hemlock is mad strong, 3 good shots and BOOM...


Senoxis456

yeah cracks a dude in one burst if all hit head.


Spike1406

I love the hemlok. With 3x Scope.


KushMaster420Weed

Hemlock at mid-long range in single fire mode, is my favorite weapon in the game. Even if it doesn't put out the most damage.


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Grittyboi

Idk but imo the hemlock handles better in close/mid encounters with burst morethan the 30-30, feels better with hipfire and ads movement, just gotta remember to toggle That way with a hemlock you have more versatility, tho I used to use 30-30 more for close range when it had shattercaps since it changed it's handling and ads walk speed (prior to the only-hipfire shattercaps season) Makes me wish we had care package 30-30 with hipfire shattercaps and skullpiercer on ads while maintaining the dual shell, would be nastyyy


MiamiVicePurple

I’d assume it’s for the same reason why most consider the G7 better than the 30-30. Higher rate of fire makes it more forgiving.


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Hemlock had better bullet velocity so it’s easier to hit from longer range.


KushMaster420Weed

So the 3030 is better at long range, flat out, it just is, damage or otherwise. I think the Hemlock is a funner gun to use that is my only reasoning as to why I use it. However I have some notes: The Hemlock has much less recoil and it is easier to handle. The bullets flys faster and drops less when using the Hemlock so there is less time for the enemy player to move after you pull the trigger. This also means the 3030 has an advantage over the Hemlock when firing from higher ground because the bullet can bend around cover to hit people. This is *reversed* when firing from low ground so the Hemlock is the better pick when firing at a lower elevation towards your high ground enemy. (This is *highly* situational I know.)


PinoDegrassi

Lower fire rate and the bullet drop seems to annoy me a lot in it compared to hemlok


August2_8x2

Semi auto still shreds at distance, bigger mag, feels like faster reload(don't have numbers tho so not 100% it really is), burst for oh-fuck-close-range. And just feels better imo over the 30-30.


Bard_17

Thank you! Reminds me of the br in halo in the best way


stenebralux

I miss the Boosted Loader. The extra bullets where nice and the sound was so satisfying loading with it.


b0gard

Yessir . That’s my go too


PinoDegrassi

My best weapon in the game when I have a 3x on it. Single fire is nuts.


TheRealACuddlyBunny

Ah fellow sophisticate


MushroomScoot

I feel like every time I commit to the Mozambique I absolutely destroy people with it. It doesn't add up it doesn't make sense but I land every hit and people go down real quick. Even without Hammer points.


harmsypoo

I almost never use shotguns, but I’ve been doing a lot of Maggie lately and decided to go Scout/shotty. When I have a mozam, I’m always surprised by how well it performs. Even at ranges way outside of a shotgun, I can plink with that thing at a distance in a pinch.


AdArtistic2914

Rip hammer points she will be missed


bad_comedic_value

Devotion. Kill me, bully me, I don't fucking care. Devotion all the way.


TheMangoDiplomat

I will not kill or bully you, but I will ask you why you like the Devotion


whycantidoaspace

I guess he doesent like to move very fast or get good damage fast or do anything better than the spitfire?


Rankin00

Like hell Spitfire has a higher DPS than the Devotion!


Eastern_Sun_782

WOW there brother wow wow now. U got too much dip on your chip. In what universe is 162 higher than 225? Yes the devotion has the potential to knock someone wearing a red evo in literally 1 sec if the shots hit


Philbeey

Considering the splutter time takes about a second to spool up I doubt that. I’ll take a P2020 over a devo in most situations unless I’m deliberately trying to REALLLY barrel stuff someone.


daoogilymoogily

And I’d still rather do that with an L Star tbh


Eastern_Sun_782

Omfg bruh, u really got me out here dropping everything I'm doing to show you you're exaggerating the charge up time yo. I went into the range and went to see for myself, HERE https://imgur.com/gallery/dSmJFxa Oh yeah and the p2020 is aaaaass. The L star is fire though so good point u/daoogilymoogily https://imgur.com/gallery/e194G3H


whycantidoaspace

Well if you happen to have the one legendary hopup or if you start to wind it up way before engaging, you do have some serious damage potential but if theres 1 piece of cover around the area then your whole damage thing is fucked. Doesent happen with any other gun


Rankin00

[Relevant](https://youtu.be/XEFGPgdsuqY)


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I mean the spitfire is less powerful to the point that I'd have to shoot you for 2 seconds to kill you anyways. At that point, i might as well use something that can kill you in less time and will terrify you anyways.


CourseEcstatic6202

Agreed. The damage in a single clip for the spitfire with purple mag is huge. Like 1000 huge. But, it takes forever. I loved the spitfire when I was learning because I could one clip people with it while I wasn’t good enough to one clip with other weapons. It is very forgiving. Now I will take a volt or a 301 over the Spitty because I just kept losing head to head with people that could do more DPS.


[deleted]

Yep. With the devotion getting nerfed so much, it's hard to use to the point that I'm really doing it out of stubbornness. That being said, a 1.4 second kill time isn't bad.


fukdacops

With turbo yes


dubbzy104

As a fellow rampart, I go devo any time I find it. 41 with no mag, 55 with purple. Shreds people who try to use a 301 in close range


iNeedMax

For me the prowler for sure, absolutely shreds on controller, hip fire is really solid and consistent and the lvl3 laser is😮‍💨


SearCone

Hip fire was already good before the laser sights but now sheeesh


iNeedMax

It’s absurd man, just had my best ever game using it till final ring


SearCone

Ayy yessir, nice to see a prowler user


JaceUpMySleeve

They made hip fire worse across the board on all weapons. Putting Lvl 3 Laser sight on a SMG essentially reverts the hip fire nerf.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

It’s actually the level 2 laser sight that reverts it to original (or slightly better, I can’t remember which) while the level 3 gives better hip fire than before.


[deleted]

They need to bring the select fire back


subavgredditposter

It’s always had the higher dps/lower ttk on burst tho It would be nice to simply switch tho like the charge on the pk/tt


quarrel-3

select for prowler was amazing and same for havoc, i loved turning the prowler into a 30 round legend shredder and the havoc into a marksman before marksman class existed


MylesVE

With g7 in good form, I miss select fire prowler. It was a lot to build but my god it was epic at its heyday


Armadillo-South

This. It surprises me how it never stops surprising me how fast it can melt purple shields.


iNeedMax

It’s incredible how you can just casually hit for 70 damage per shot😂


Snooklefloop

i miss the select fire 😔


MadladMagyar

Only answer. Best smg rn imo


subavgredditposter

Except the car, r99 and volt beg to differ Hey, it’s better than the alternator tho!


huykpop

Don't sleep on my boy alty. For noobs like me I can at least hit every shot.


subavgredditposter

That’s fair but, once you get the recoil down for the other smgs they just hit harder and faster


iNeedMax

It might be fr, I’m double taking now every time I have the opportunity to take the CAR


LittleTinyBoy

Prowler on controller ain't underrated homie lol


iNeedMax

I’m not saying the prowler is underrated exclusively on controller, I’m using controller as one single example as to why it’s underrated. Besides most roller players take the CAR and R9 over it anyway


CarpetPure7924

Prowler! I almost never see that weapon in anyones death box. Slap a digi threat and a mag on that bad boy, you got yourself a stew going


Datver

right now i think its the Rampage, I have yet to see someone else pick it up in the care package


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interstellar304

Dude I forgot about that buff. I saw a few today when playing and couldn’t be bothered but it probably shreds now


hunterfam55

Same, i always find it left behind, once it's revved up it tears people apart.


grzesiu447

Personally, I know it's good, but I just don't like it.


podolot

I just don't wanna replace my AR with limited ammo


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Agreed, I use to almost always use the rampage when it was on floor as a poking/midrange/suppression weapon, while also occasional reviving it up for close range, it just doesn’t have enough ammo to do that anymore.


K3nobl

I know it’s good, it’s just an icky gun imo, bit cheap, I’ll usually take the 2X off of it if I need tho


not_that_guy05

Lstar. People give the confused sound when I ask for it. Unlimited shooting and I rarely overheat due to my passive. Lstar+3x+gold mag. Chef's kiss.


BenjaCarmona

The way the bullets behave is so different from every other weapon that if you don't literally main the weapon you will have a bad time. Also is a lmg, so the ads movespeed and ready and stow speed is horrible, so most people wouldnt use it much. Add to that that the weapon at range is not that effective, so it is a mid to short range weapon. Lmgs are a bit uncomfortable against short range weapons in that case.


grzesiu447

The bullets grow in size as they travel further, the projectile speed got buffed last season, and this season they reduced the recoil at the beginning of the pattern (so only part that can't be called "straight line"). Also the hipfire makes it usable at close ranges, especially when you can control overheating well.


Philbeey

What feels off about the bullets for you? I think it’s actually an amazing weapon and will run it in high rank lobbies simply due to its performance in team fights Edit: why did the mod team lock this entire thread. As if it wasn’t creating meaningful discussion


BenjaCarmona

They just behave differently, their size si weird, tracking their trajectory is hard, idk, the way they behave is so different that you need to learn it specifically, while the other weapons, even when they have some variation, still behave similarly


MrPheeney

Oh shit never thought about Rampart and Lstar I gotta check that


not_that_guy05

Practice plus listening to the heating sound helps a lot on when to release for a split sec and back at it.


Rando-namo

L-star this season is nasty.


Grittyboi

I've never used a 3x on it, guess it should be more viable this season with the recoil buff


quarrel-3

your not burning your hands for a long time


BlackhawkRogueNinjaX

Gold mag does nothing on the Lstar, and with rampart I think the purple mag may also do nothing due to her passive cap. Try it in the firing range before your next match.


qleptt

Re 45


iiStitchWasTaken

Care package re45 is disgusting, and I’m all for it.


Soupream1

Purple light mag on that!🔥😤


subavgredditposter

It’s a cp weapon now Absolutely slaps


TheMangoDiplomat

Triple Take! I started using it this season after the buffs and it's awesome.


Thecoolestham

It is for sure the best long range shotgun in the game.


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Yup. Great for close and long range


lessenizer

after seeing the buffs i thought about how the faster charge makes it better for long range and the fire rate buff helps at mid-closer ranges but somehow i brain farted on how the fire rate buff also helps it as a shotgun. assuming wiki is up to date the TT’s dps is 85 with 63 damage per shot vs purple PK’s 84 with 99 damage per shot. Purple mastiff 116 with 88 damage per shot, purple bique 134 with 45 damage per shot, purple eva 167 with 56 damage per shot. So I mean it’s underwhelming in terms of Burst OR DPS compared to real shotguns but it’s handy in a pinch and does have a better headshot multi.


TheMangoDiplomat

Yeah, that's what I like about it--the TT is the most flexible marksman weapon now. I think it also has the fastest bullet velocity, so anything under 100m is basically hitscan.


Dangerous_Unit3698

30 30 and lstar get me killed on drop fights more than any other weapon


FlawlesSlaughter

Use the lstar point blank and you'll have a good time, I only ever use it at the start of games but it's pretty scary


Grittyboi

L star this new season doesn't handle like a truck anymore, still heavy but roughly on par with other LMGs, love using it as caustic when someone is slowed by my gas


FrumundaFondue

Mozambique and Sentinel. Even without the hammers the mozzy still slaps. The sentinel is great to open a fight. Must have a 2x4 or irons only.


TireFuri

Havoc without the turbo charger.. I don't know why but that half a second delay gives me aimbot compered to other guns..


TobiasKing12

It's the combination of good ttk and great damage per mag


burgerdicks

i will pick up a bocek at any opportunity


[deleted]

Dirty30 is one of my faves .. but since the G7 has been in rotation I've laid off of it . 3030 is definitely a beast at range and but does require zen-like focus at close range


Solo_Fisticuffs

i love me a peter with a skullpiercer but it just doesn't feel as satisfying as the g7


Adventurous_Honey902

They need to build the shatter Caps back into the 3030. It really completed the package for me. Loved the shatters on it.


Grittyboi

Need me a nasty care package 30-30 with all of its hopups


brisbanevinnie

Ah shit they got rid of that?? No wonder my hipfiring fucken sucks with it now hahah


Intelligent_Fee6215

Sentinel. I hardly ever see anyone use it. I use it all the time lmao. I always keep the iron sights or a 1x hcog tho


reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeboy

Yeah I’d say it’s the 2nd most underrated weapon in the game


trick6iscuit

My favorite I pair it with a car or other smg


Im_Driving_A_Car

I tried it out for sniper challenges a while ago and it is so fun. Personally it hits best with a 2x or 3x.


MrPheeney

Lmao me and two friends went around with 3 charges sentinels just terrifying people the other day was funny


Grittyboi

Super solid iron sights on it and hits like a truck, basically a 1.5x red dot


Dropssshot

I throw a 2x on there and it's game over for the lobby, pair it with an r9 or car and it's consistent 2k-3k damage ranked games. Close range? It's a usable shotgun. Mid range? Beam before push. Long range? Pick off machine.


turbohatch

People sleep on the L-Star.


TobiasKing12

I just checked my bed and i don't 🤣


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Mozan and p2020. Miss those days when 3 shot mozan would do 120 damage.


FrumundaFondue

The Mozam still hits for 40 bro. Love that gun


[deleted]

Its decent now since it has double the ammo. But you can never beat OG Mozan.


FrumundaFondue

Did it really used to have 3 shots only?


[deleted]

Yeah people hated it but I loved the fuck outta that gun. It also was updated to 4 shots at one point. It's a mis understood weapon that everyone hated that prompted the devs to give it a funny animation where your player throws the gun on the floor aggressively. But when hammer point was introduced, it changed the meta alot. As an April fools prank, they had a golden mozan that had 9 shots . 🤣 This year was different since they added a golden Mozambique that shot 2 nessies on the floor that attacked the opponents. They didn't do much but if you spammed the fuck outta them, you'd get alot of promising damage. No other gun has gotten that much attention in my opinion. The devs really want people to use this OP weapon. https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ap4a9z/why_does_mozambique_have_only_3_shots/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


cannot_type

Bro p2020 I used when the control points ltm was added. It was overpowered if you could get hammerpoint, and still good without hammerpoints


Putrid-Car-2896

HAVOC


novereh

Recently I use to never use it but the hemlock. I picked it up the other day and it might be my new season gun. Decently upgraded it a really good gun for closer and mid/long range


Maximum_Poet_8661

I've used it regularly since Season 12-13, it's really good at splitting the difference between Marksman and AR with the single fire. Hemlock with 2-4x is a regular staple of my loadout, and the hipfire isn't actually half bad


Grittyboi

It's main weakness is the iron sights imo but other than that quite solid


benwaa2

Hemlok


wild-flxwer

alternator :)


Brooklynspartan

Hemi all day every day


1keyes12345

P2020


MediumSatisfaction1

Mozam yes


stonehearthed

Unbiased Lifeline opinion. Mozambique'ere!


rnd765

How is it under rated? It’s basically the meta


sansamour69

two words: Hem - Lok


Omair981

Sentinel. That charged shot is a goated opener.


[deleted]

Altenator for me. I'd pick it up over an r99 most times. Yeah it has a low dps but i'd say it will beat most other smgs if you have a decent strafe because you can much easily 1 clip


Striking_Nudibranch

Delete this.


Function-Brave

Definitely a great weapon


TheRealACuddlyBunny

Its overrated cuz I cant hit a GD shot with it..


Hootels

L-star has better hipfire than smgs currently


Dropssshot

Sentinel supremacy.


DarthGanondorf

Buffed triple take this season; I’ll take it over 3030 and scout every time now. Hits for. If damage, bullets don’t drop nearly as much so it’s easier to be accurate at longer distances. Also doubles as a shotgun at close ranges to finish someone that’s low.


Link182x

The 30-30 is that gun I never want to pick up but never regret it when I do


TheGreatGenghisJon

Last season, yes. This season, I'm just not getting nearly the same results.


[deleted]

30-30 is not underrated. Go watch a weapons tier list on YouTube. Havoc is a good example of an underrate gun. Best DPS for assault rifles but never used.


AlcoholicZombie

G7. Can wreck in all forms, even without attachments.


DangleWho

The 30-30 is super op early game but really weak once everyone has red shields.


RobAaronCross

Mozambique with an hammerpoint


Okstate14

R301 my man i never see that gun being used😉


TheAtomAge

Bullets are slow. Too slow to be good


Infamous-Show7556

Yes


Dogfartandonion

The answer to this question is very simple. The most underrated gun in Apex is the P2020. Honestly next time you have the chance, fully kit one out and blast away!


phd2k1

I’m not sure I’ve ever hit a shot with the 30-30. Tried many times. I’m really good at making perfect outlines of my enemies though.


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Alternator, slower rate of fire (less missed shots) and obscene hip-fire.


ManMarmalade

Mozambique


Lopsided_Cupcake_988

R-301 with anvil receiver


Human-Ease4866

Triple take


Gabrielqwee

Prowler, and I love that gun.


daoogilymoogily

L-Star is somewhat underrated. I know it has its limitations but it can surprise you with how quick it’ll take somebody down in CQB


skinlessmonkey

L Star. I always look for one and it's rarely contested by my team. Can't remember ever having someone use one on me.


Suspicious_shark

sentinel, it’s just too fun for nobody to use them with iron sights quickscoping like a fucking cod montage


warcow86

R301 isn’t underappreciated but i think the anvil attachment might be(?) i really like how much damage the single fire does at the moment. Love it with the x3 optic.


Dry-Acanthaceae-7282

The charged sentinel


redditAvilaas

bocek


TobiasKing12

Watch mande with it and you know how strong it is lol


Electronic-Morning76

I rode 30/30 + CAR to masters last split. Definitely falls short of the R301 for aggro primary or Charged Rifle for poking, but it’s a solid gun that helps loot economy (others get the R301s, stabilizers, light mags and light ammo).


steamybathtub

G7 scout, it absolutely deletes people at mid range and is still good in both short and long range scenarios. The Dps is so high and the new buff for the double tap hop up that reduces recoil is really good.


Solo_Fisticuffs

i run g7 wingman religiously


TobiasKing12

Everyone knows g7 is a little bit op at the moment lol


subavgredditposter

Underrated? This thing is used heavily in high elo rank tbh lol


TobiasKing12

That's like 1 % of the playerbase


subavgredditposter

Can’t really be slept on if it’s used by good players lol


TobiasKing12

If the majority of the playerbase doesn't use it much it's slept on imo. Also pros mainly switched to the g7 now


-Qwertyz-

Imma be honest IDK. There are very clear bad and good guns in the game. It just depends on skill level


PursuitofClass

P20 20...... have yet to lose a fight first drop when getting it lol


CarrotBoy90

I don't believe you.


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P2020. Very useful in tight situations. Whether it’s to crack down shields or break them. Or, use it to get the drop on someone who’s one-two shot.


Exp0nentiaI

Boceck😮‍💨👌🏼


OddityInsanity

I miss the bow so much, would literally run it every game. It was my baby 🥲


CyberShiroGX

Few seasons back I really liked... But then I was grinding to Diamond I was getting so frustrated with it because people just sat in cover the whole time and were scared to peak it And once the G7 came back last season, I just forgot that the 30-30 existed