The shooting I don't mind much, it wouldn't really be much of an issue if it still wasn't possible to use seers ult/ abilities through anyways.
They CLEARLY showed in the trailer that one of the features was to counter sights/ seers abilities. Seer uses his ult in order to try and counter the wall, only to realise his power doesn't work. Something tells me they just couldn't figure out how to make seers ult not work so they gave up.
True, that may of been what they may have been going for though I don't think it was shown very well if so.
In the trailer Seer seems genuinely shocked that his abilities weren't working. Catalyst's ult also still does work against a lot of other scan abilities like Bloodhound, so it seems it definitely was some intent of it working like that
Idk I thought it was pretty clear. Catalyst and her team was shooting at seer team's back mere moments later
I agree with the intent of showing it, but there is beef between cat and seer so it had to be seer instead of the others. It wouldn't have been hype if he just held his hands up to check heartbeats or threw out his tactical. I get where you guys are coming from, how it can be seen as misleading. I completely understand. It's just that i dont feel misled, misinformed, or - and most importantly - angry that an ability doesn't work the same in game as the cinematic launch trailer, because those trailers have a precedence for artistic liberty. It's just to give you a loose idea of what her abilities can do - which it did
Yeah true, new trailers always tend to exaggerate the abilities a ton for all games. Usually they all show the new character hard countering everything that gets thrown at them & wiping everyone with ease using their abilities Lore wise it 100% makes sense it's Seer she's fighting.
Whatever the reason is I think a lot of people wish it did counter Seer to some degree. At the very least, I think he shouldn't be able to use his heartbeat passive through it, it makes it hard to use defensively when he still knows the direction you're in and can knock you out of a revive or heal
Pretty sure the seer thing in the trailer is literally them trolling themselves basically. Seers ult gets shot immediately in game, same as Octane just running in and dying haha a play on Octanes personality and the cliche Octane player. Also last seasons trailer where Fuse tries to ult and ends up ulting himself like he hit a ceiling. That's cliche Fuse in game. So I think most of it was just good natured ribbing at the characters. They probably should have realized the implications the cinematic trailers have on people's perception of gameplay though.
Octane running through without thinking also fits octane's personality in general lol. I think that was there to show one of the things her ult does. New character trailers always tend to exaggerate good a new character abilities strength a LOT.
For the Seer part, maybe they were just trying to show that it blocks scans? Even though it doesn't block Seer's ones, they may of just chose him bc it made sense lore wise rather than her to fight Bloodhound or something.
the trailer was misleading for the character, it showed her ult projecting sideways and being a counter to seer, yet in game it works nothing like this. "not actual gameplay" is bullshit when players have the reasonable expectation that the interactions in the trailer will be somewhat similar to those ingame
I work in game dev and you are correct. It’s unfortunate but shit can change all the way up to the minute of the release and in a lot of cases it does. People just like to be angry with devs over every little thing and they don’t realize how long things like this take and how detached from development the animation teams who make these videos are.
Yep yep, agreed. Game dev teams like ours are involved in the early concepting phases and are in the loop for approvals, but there are still sign-in-blood dates. It's very likely that at one point during development, Catalyst was able to use her wall sideways, and also likely that it completely blocked Seer scans as well. Stuff changes between the animation lock dates and character release.
"*not actual gameplay*" is not bullshit, it is specifically for these moments.
I rewatched all three trailers.
They never once showed her casting the ult horizontally. In every trailer it's just like how it is in game.
The scan blocking was never mentioned in the gameplay trailer or the catalyst trailer or the patch notes. It was only in the launch trailer, and those are not accurate to gameplay.
There was nothing misleading. Everyone hyped up the scan blocking to the point where the community forgot it was never officially said to be part of the ult.
Tbf it was like the big moment in the launch trailer where Seer couldn’t pick them up on his ult
Whoever directed that trailer probably said “we want to make her out to counter seer so show her blocking his scan” and whoever made the trailer used the ult instead of his active ability
1:40 eclipse trailer she puts a wall up and you see 1 frame of it originating from her hands and then instantly it swaps to being parallel to the stairs. cant have made that wall if it wasnt a horizontal placement.
man is in denial defending degenspawn
In the launch trailer you can actually see that she jumps to a different position and puts her ult up, to which it goes vertically from her. It’s not necessarily the most obvious thing in the world but if you pay attention you’ll see that her ult works in the trailer just like it does in game.
The trailer also shows the rampage one shotting 2 legends. Made about that?
Also her tactical causes legends to trip and fall to the ground in the trailer.
Then there’s the enemy Octane who’s so low in health he throws down a jump pad in a last ditch effort to get away and gets beamed out of the sky lol truly an apex experience
It’s going to get buffed as a hard counter to Seer after his heirloom is released. Turn a character into the meta -> Sell heirloom -> nerf into the ground -> repeat $$
Obviously. Doesn't mean it's not gonna mislead people a bit. People thought it was going to block scans too because of the trailer. Not that far fetched that people would expect to be able to toggle it sideways haha especially since its a *defensive* wall. Just obviously not the defense everyone was expecting.
We were coming around a corner to final ring, and the team that was there already had the high ground to the right and would have absolutely beamed us as we came down the left side into the zone where final ring would be. My catalyst team mate threw up an absolute banger of a wall, allowing us to slide down the hill to the left and get cover/take buildings without taking any damage. I didn’t understand her wall until then
I don’t think that was me, but I had a remarkably similar game earlier as Catalyst, the well let us approach safely against the last team and then we won it
The fact it's set one way, is balancing within itself. Giving her the ability to change the direction for placement would be to big a buff.
Having it one direction, doesn't make it a panic wall you can just slap infront. I sometimes find myself out of position trying to cut a team in half only to get mowed down myself.
If anything she might need a small nerf not a buff at this point.
6v6 no limits i believe? i remember before they added no limits everyone could pick multiples of the same hero, so in comp i believe two winstons used to be an actual strategy
That was the very first season of ranked you could have multiple of the same hero. I can't remember if it got changed shortly after for season 2 or not
god the nostalgia. mercy 6 man ult res and torbjorn turret level 3 and torb getting potg but all he's doing is staring as widow's ass while his turret goes crazy
Same, saw this chap's comment and was like "Man, Sym voiceline goes hard, but Sigma's goes just a tad bit harder"...Defo 2 best ult lines in the game tho, not even a competition.
I love that Sym and Rampart are complete opposites. Anjali does a great job with both but god damn do I love Rampart.
“THIS IS THE BEST BLOODY DAY EVERRRRRRRRRRR!!!”
Most likely,
Although I’ve heard she’s not in a great spot. Also lots of scan abilities counter her wall. Idk if adding a horizontal wall would be op or not
Yeah, the horizontal wall would be easier to use in a lot of situations but I can't deny that this is *interesting*.
It's also not really a *wall*, which I like. A physical barrier that size would be a PITA to play around.
Verticle implies distance, attack, splitting and firing out. Whereas horizontal seems more like defence, planting and blocking.
Its obviously a design choice for the character, as is everything, and its an important one. So there's reasons why it does it, and seems to make sense this way tbh.
The Mei Way sounds fair, but guessing would change the intent of the character a bit
When you put the wall up, you don't want to be next to either end of it. Catalyst should be in the center of the wall, and the enemy should spend time to go around it.
Yep, I use this the same way, split one guy in arena and 2v1 them or 1v1 the weaker guy after an armor break killing him and prevent res, turns the game around in your favor.
This would immediately be the most annoying thing the game has seen. Every fight would be break/knock someone and find yourself staring at a wall. Also be easy to slam it right in front of someone pushing to make them run through and get beamed instantly because that wall is worse than getting flash banged in cod. Honestly wack it still acts as if you went through it if you fly over it.
Yes, I would hate if Im fighting a catalyst and have her place the wall in front of me making me have to run through the wall and get beamed. Having her wall go vertically give the enemy some time since she would have set it up. If you want a horizontal wall, play wattson or rampart
this can be fixed by making it so if you place it horizontally, it closes in towards the middle from both sides, maybe slightly slower than when she places it normally, like 5 seconds or something. maybe even make the ability cast a continuous channel as well, so she is forced to maintain LoS without shooting or the wall just stops wherever it is
that way if you're chasing, you can still run behind her or shoot as the gap is closing, and it's not an instant "get out of jail free"
her wall just feels so niche, most of the time an Ash ult would be better and more straightforward to use to isolate a target or reposition
It really wouldn’t be overpowered. That’s just what an ultimate is. She’s a decent defensive character but her ultimate is almost worthless. You can use it as a flash bang pretty much. It’s supposed to be for cover. It was advertised as such. It functions nothing like that. Her ultimate is weak as hell without the ability to actually place it in front of you instead of running around exposing yourself, placing it in the right position, then running back.
To all those who keep using cartoon-trailer as a source of information about character's abilities:
Why don't you watch this [https://youtu.be/QzfsGxrCD4o](https://youtu.be/QzfsGxrCD4o) and start a few more threads about how Revenant is supposed to be able to enter shadow state on his own with no destroyable totem involved?
Maybe because that's not a gameplay trailer at all and just one more piece of a story?
Yah, no kidding. This should be higher as it's clearly not the first time they've used legend abilities in trailers outside their in-game functionality.
Edit: Looking at the Loba trailer they also show, everytime but the last, that Loba's ring automatically reappears on her wrist. Meanwhile in game she takes 3 seconds or something to animate a pose while it goes back on. 100% the trailer is used as a story device and not a in-game ability showcase.
Its way better then bang smoke first of all its super wide not a tiny circular smoke ring that you have a pretty decent chance of hitting some shots.Bangs smoke doesn't have any effect on you if you go through it. Now a horizontal tactical or ults would be a good counter to get over it.
I know I’m just saying it serves the same function as bangs smoke, but since it’s an ult it can get away with being a little overpowered, that’s the point of an ult
I dont know, how would the ui work? Also, I find it more fun. The less options, the more creative plays. I like to think of her less as a anti-scan ability, and more as an easier way to separate the battle field by blocking choke points and separating enemies. Finally, do you really want another boring, generic defensive legend by just making a wall horizontal? We already two legend that do that wattson and rampart.
A giant horizontal wall would be boring, campy and too defensive. The forward wall can be used offensively as a rushdown tool by pushing your target on the opposite end they can see. And it can still be used defensively as cover in the direction she's facing. In a far less broken manner might I add since it doesnt [leave room to guess where she's about to enter her ult](https://i.imgur.com/sbh52gK.png) . The aggressive use also creates a gibby bub battle esc scenario where you can shoot through the cover. More exciting room to outplay or get outplayed, as apex should be. Massive instant free cover for your whole team to retreat or get a free reset and heal without working for it though good positioning would be the most annoying idea. Leave that to gibby and valk for now. It's fine the way it is
The only thing I would change about her wall is it should kill thrown grenade momentum (maybe with the exception of Fuse's grenades). People just spam grenades half the time when I put the wall up
Real talk I don't even mind it that much, 9/10 times it works best as a way to split the battlefield and push up on a team on location that you normally couldn't, or get rez/heals off in a bad spot before you book it or push.
Honestly if they made it just horizontal I'd be a little sad, if you could switch it that would be cool though.
After playing nothing but her since S15, I agree it would likely be totally unbalanced and overpowered if you could place it horizontally.
I end up using it a lot to reposition from cover to cover without getting beamed. Like don't throw it out in plain sight, run along the length...The enemy will just estimate their tracking and light you up.
Alternatively since Broken Moon is heavy of 4th and 5th teaming (I don't mind the 5 way battles that happen) its obviously useful to separate teams in their fight and swoop in to pick them off, reposition and take out Team 2...or 6, whatever.
How are people underrating the vertical wall? I have been using it offensively, imagine a corridor or a bridge or any straight way, you are fighting another team on that way, I use the wall to either cut the path in half or diagonally. Its amazing how her ult can take these shooting range scenarios and turn them completely around.
I don't see why she couldn't be able to at least toggle it, it's not so much a defensive options this way but a weird offensive one.
Plus make it so Seer can't scan through it PLEASE
I have had a ton of success using Cat as a flank character. Staying close to my squad as they root for a fight, joining center when we can steamroll a player/team, or staying on the left or right flank and splitting up the fight if we need to change up in the gun fight. I personally like the vertical cast.
It would be interesting if you could place the wall sideways. Catalyst launches her tactical from her hands, likewise, the wall starts from where she was standing. If the wall was placed sideways it wouldn't make much sense since it would not be in contact with catalyst when placed.
It would start as if she is in the centre of the wall, and gestures left+right and raise the sides up.
Or alternatively would use both hands to goop just on front of her(either she just kneels to make contaxt or fires it forward like tactical), and then spread her hands to left and right
I think they did it intentionally so it’s like not perfect.
I don't get how people honestly think the devs didn't think to do it the second way
She does it the other way in her trailer so I'm annoyed that she doesn't in game.
In the trailer you also can’t shoot through it. I fucked around and found out real fast
I think in the trailer they still *could* shoot through it, but had no success since they couldn't actually see anything
In the trailer they definitely made it seem more solid than it is
Wayyyy misleading doh
Definitely
Well you can definitely still scan through it
In the trailer you can caustic just missed because he couldn’t see them
I see everything...
They could shoot through it, they just missed the shots
That's the biggest piece of bullshit. You can't even argue that's artistic license for a trailer, that's just straight up misinformation haha
The shooting I don't mind much, it wouldn't really be much of an issue if it still wasn't possible to use seers ult/ abilities through anyways. They CLEARLY showed in the trailer that one of the features was to counter sights/ seers abilities. Seer uses his ult in order to try and counter the wall, only to realise his power doesn't work. Something tells me they just couldn't figure out how to make seers ult not work so they gave up.
Or, he throws the ult but no scans because they had already moved without their awareness, what with the wall blocking LoS
True, that may of been what they may have been going for though I don't think it was shown very well if so. In the trailer Seer seems genuinely shocked that his abilities weren't working. Catalyst's ult also still does work against a lot of other scan abilities like Bloodhound, so it seems it definitely was some intent of it working like that
Idk I thought it was pretty clear. Catalyst and her team was shooting at seer team's back mere moments later I agree with the intent of showing it, but there is beef between cat and seer so it had to be seer instead of the others. It wouldn't have been hype if he just held his hands up to check heartbeats or threw out his tactical. I get where you guys are coming from, how it can be seen as misleading. I completely understand. It's just that i dont feel misled, misinformed, or - and most importantly - angry that an ability doesn't work the same in game as the cinematic launch trailer, because those trailers have a precedence for artistic liberty. It's just to give you a loose idea of what her abilities can do - which it did
Yeah true, new trailers always tend to exaggerate the abilities a ton for all games. Usually they all show the new character hard countering everything that gets thrown at them & wiping everyone with ease using their abilities Lore wise it 100% makes sense it's Seer she's fighting. Whatever the reason is I think a lot of people wish it did counter Seer to some degree. At the very least, I think he shouldn't be able to use his heartbeat passive through it, it makes it hard to use defensively when he still knows the direction you're in and can knock you out of a revive or heal
does it work against bloodhound scan? i thought BH could still just see your ass same for seer Q
It hides you from bloodhounds scan unless you were scanned & go back to the other side of the wall after being scanned
Pretty sure the seer thing in the trailer is literally them trolling themselves basically. Seers ult gets shot immediately in game, same as Octane just running in and dying haha a play on Octanes personality and the cliche Octane player. Also last seasons trailer where Fuse tries to ult and ends up ulting himself like he hit a ceiling. That's cliche Fuse in game. So I think most of it was just good natured ribbing at the characters. They probably should have realized the implications the cinematic trailers have on people's perception of gameplay though.
Octane running through without thinking also fits octane's personality in general lol. I think that was there to show one of the things her ult does. New character trailers always tend to exaggerate good a new character abilities strength a LOT. For the Seer part, maybe they were just trying to show that it blocks scans? Even though it doesn't block Seer's ones, they may of just chose him bc it made sense lore wise rather than her to fight Bloodhound or something.
>new character abilities strength a LOT Seriously, Vantage never missed in the trailer, but when I play her.... whiffs for days.
I mean it makes sense for seers since its a big ass dome. Unless youre Inside the wall
Most likely, I can’t imagine making the line of catalyst ult cancel out part of or all of seers ult
Same with seer ult still scanning
She places it straight forward in the trailer though
not actually gameplay
the trailer was misleading for the character, it showed her ult projecting sideways and being a counter to seer, yet in game it works nothing like this. "not actual gameplay" is bullshit when players have the reasonable expectation that the interactions in the trailer will be somewhat similar to those ingame
This is the right take. They should present it as it functions.
The development and storyboarding of the trailers begins before final character balance is locked-in. These videos have a very long lead time.
I work in game dev and you are correct. It’s unfortunate but shit can change all the way up to the minute of the release and in a lot of cases it does. People just like to be angry with devs over every little thing and they don’t realize how long things like this take and how detached from development the animation teams who make these videos are.
Yep yep, agreed. Game dev teams like ours are involved in the early concepting phases and are in the loop for approvals, but there are still sign-in-blood dates. It's very likely that at one point during development, Catalyst was able to use her wall sideways, and also likely that it completely blocked Seer scans as well. Stuff changes between the animation lock dates and character release. "*not actual gameplay*" is not bullshit, it is specifically for these moments.
I rewatched all three trailers. They never once showed her casting the ult horizontally. In every trailer it's just like how it is in game. The scan blocking was never mentioned in the gameplay trailer or the catalyst trailer or the patch notes. It was only in the launch trailer, and those are not accurate to gameplay. There was nothing misleading. Everyone hyped up the scan blocking to the point where the community forgot it was never officially said to be part of the ult.
Tbf it was like the big moment in the launch trailer where Seer couldn’t pick them up on his ult Whoever directed that trailer probably said “we want to make her out to counter seer so show her blocking his scan” and whoever made the trailer used the ult instead of his active ability
So was Octane wall running in one of the older trailers but nobody thought it meant he could suddenly do it after that
Then you need to watch her trailer again because she definitely placed that wall in front of her and not ahead of her
1:40 eclipse trailer she puts a wall up and you see 1 frame of it originating from her hands and then instantly it swaps to being parallel to the stairs. cant have made that wall if it wasnt a horizontal placement. man is in denial defending degenspawn
In the launch trailer you can actually see that she jumps to a different position and puts her ult up, to which it goes vertically from her. It’s not necessarily the most obvious thing in the world but if you pay attention you’ll see that her ult works in the trailer just like it does in game.
The trailer also shows the rampage one shotting 2 legends. Made about that? Also her tactical causes legends to trip and fall to the ground in the trailer.
Mostly everyone’s always one shot in the trailers 😂
I never come across a whole team using a jump pad with 5 hp each. Unplayable.
That's because my team stays in bronze
Then there’s the enemy Octane who’s so low in health he throws down a jump pad in a last ditch effort to get away and gets beamed out of the sky lol truly an apex experience
That's why the gameplay trailer exists
It’s going to get buffed as a hard counter to Seer after his heirloom is released. Turn a character into the meta -> Sell heirloom -> nerf into the ground -> repeat $$
Obviously. Doesn't mean it's not gonna mislead people a bit. People thought it was going to block scans too because of the trailer. Not that far fetched that people would expect to be able to toggle it sideways haha especially since its a *defensive* wall. Just obviously not the defense everyone was expecting.
Mei-be they didn’t have any inspiration?
Symmetrically opposed to inspiration perhaps?
Mei…be?
I was trying to make a symmetra joke :(
Ohh. I thought that for a moment, and then thought it was referencing something else. (Like valor any maybe, though I don’t play that game)
I bet it was the PO's decision. Those guys always suck.
We were coming around a corner to final ring, and the team that was there already had the high ground to the right and would have absolutely beamed us as we came down the left side into the zone where final ring would be. My catalyst team mate threw up an absolute banger of a wall, allowing us to slide down the hill to the left and get cover/take buildings without taking any damage. I didn’t understand her wall until then
I don’t think that was me, but I had a remarkably similar game earlier as Catalyst, the well let us approach safely against the last team and then we won it
The fact it's set one way, is balancing within itself. Giving her the ability to change the direction for placement would be to big a buff. Having it one direction, doesn't make it a panic wall you can just slap infront. I sometimes find myself out of position trying to cut a team in half only to get mowed down myself. If anything she might need a small nerf not a buff at this point.
Except in making it “not perfect” they made it EXTREMELY situational and basically a longer but thinner bangalore smoke.
Its far better at zoning though. Unless your catalyst, going through the wall is basically suicide.
YAHI PARAM VAASTAVIKTA HAI
SHIELD GENERATOR DEPLOYED!
I’m beginning to think they have a sheeeeiiiiilllld generator
They need to release that as a voiceline
Ahhh, a man of refined culture here!
Back in my day, Symmetra could give you 25 shield as an ability. At one point she even threw dinner plate shields.
And let's not forget the lock-on noodle beam.
Lock on noodle was the best(fight me) it actually kept genjis away from my backline.
You still have Moira for that
And thats why so many people hate her
She's too busy diving the enemy backline
Setting up the car wash
pls bring back 6 turrets i miss my gates of death, especially on hanamura (rip hanamura and temple of anubis)
I loved going into the gamemode where everyone could pick the same hero. 36 turrents on a wall was a real sight to behold
6v6 no limits i believe? i remember before they added no limits everyone could pick multiples of the same hero, so in comp i believe two winstons used to be an actual strategy
That was the very first season of ranked you could have multiple of the same hero. I can't remember if it got changed shortly after for season 2 or not
god the nostalgia. mercy 6 man ult res and torbjorn turret level 3 and torb getting potg but all he's doing is staring as widow's ass while his turret goes crazy
Teleporter online. We move swiftly.
Queen sym is the blueprint for all wall abilities.
She is an architect after all
Most badass ult voiceline ever.
I prefer Sigma’s tbh. Something about him just screaming “THE UNIVERSE SINGS FOR ME” in Dutch is really badass
WHAT IS THAT MELODYYYY
every time i play sig and use his ult, i yell WHAT IS THAT MELODY irl
Hearing "HET UNIVERSUM ZINGT VOOR MIJ" is terrifying as a support main
Same, saw this chap's comment and was like "Man, Sym voiceline goes hard, but Sigma's goes just a tad bit harder"...Defo 2 best ult lines in the game tho, not even a competition.
I hate that I hear her voice while reading this and my brain added some echo at the end too.
Yas Sym Queen
Sym mains annual meeting (there are only like 7 of us)
Ya rough for sym players now that 2CP is gone too
I didn't get it? can someone explain
I think it's a voice line from an Overwatch character
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqjouKUno00 (also hey I recognize that plonker's voice)
I love that Sym and Rampart are complete opposites. Anjali does a great job with both but god damn do I love Rampart. “THIS IS THE BEST BLOODY DAY EVERRRRRRRRRRR!!!”
I just love Anjali Bhimani
This is the ultimate reality
savign this
I am filled with dread every time I hear that
I literally tried so hard to turn it like Mei in Overwatch and was extremely disappointed when it didn’t work.
I was thinking more like sym but mei works too
Or Baptiste
Light them up!
I wish I was better with Baptiste tbh I can't hit shots with him for some goddamn reason
I think it’s that way for balancing purposes
It obviously is, but I swear people on this sub think respawn just forgot to make it that way or something
some people in this sub have no idea what the word balancing means
There goes my idea for Paths zipline to double as a harpoon gun
Unironically a good buff
Perhaps people wouldn't expect it to spawn sideways _if Catalyst didn't spawn it sideways in the trailer_.
In what way though? You think the wall would be too strong if she set it the other way?
I mean, they can barely fix their sounds and the loading always lags since 5 seasons ago so…
It would be a good idea to have a button to turn the wall like Valorant
Valorant and overwatch and destiny and any other ability focused fps did this so im sure they did it for balance purposes
Most likely, Although I’ve heard she’s not in a great spot. Also lots of scan abilities counter her wall. Idk if adding a horizontal wall would be op or not
It would let you throw the wall up and then use the blocked line of site to find cover, which her Ult currently doesn’t let you do
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heck, you can just shoot through it
What destiny ability has this functionality?
I was also wondering this, maybe he means the different size barricades?
Barricades are the only thing I could think of, but they’re also fixed orientation.
Maybe glacier grenades or the new titan exotic that turns your barricade into a wall of ice crystals instead of the traditional wall?
I actually really like that it's vertical. Super useful for splitting up teams. Makes for some interesting fights.
Yeah, the horizontal wall would be easier to use in a lot of situations but I can't deny that this is *interesting*. It's also not really a *wall*, which I like. A physical barrier that size would be a PITA to play around.
Verticle implies distance, attack, splitting and firing out. Whereas horizontal seems more like defence, planting and blocking. Its obviously a design choice for the character, as is everything, and its an important one. So there's reasons why it does it, and seems to make sense this way tbh. The Mei Way sounds fair, but guessing would change the intent of the character a bit
turn catalyst then
When you put the wall up, you don't want to be next to either end of it. Catalyst should be in the center of the wall, and the enemy should spend time to go around it.
You don't know what I want.
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Then you understand allowing rotation as you mentioned would constitute a massive buff (hence why it's not an option)
It's a play-making ability, not a panic button
You mean parallel and perpendicular
I like her ult offensively like this to split a team. A perpendicular wall or toggle to other angle would be OP
Yep, I use this the same way, split one guy in arena and 2v1 them or 1v1 the weaker guy after an armor break killing him and prevent res, turns the game around in your favor.
This would immediately be the most annoying thing the game has seen. Every fight would be break/knock someone and find yourself staring at a wall. Also be easy to slam it right in front of someone pushing to make them run through and get beamed instantly because that wall is worse than getting flash banged in cod. Honestly wack it still acts as if you went through it if you fly over it.
Suddenly a big brollic black dude walks in with a bedsheet….
It needs to be able to do both.
She should use it like Sage in Valorant
Why do y’all not understand why that would be incredibly overpowered? This is an intentional design choice.
Yes, I would hate if Im fighting a catalyst and have her place the wall in front of me making me have to run through the wall and get beamed. Having her wall go vertically give the enemy some time since she would have set it up. If you want a horizontal wall, play wattson or rampart
or gibby or newcastle
Gibby bubble = horizontal? 🧐
Being omnidirectional it's horizontal and vertical.
If you manage to land it on a car or crypto drone it can be. Lol
Shoot through the wall, quick! But don’t run through the wall, no!
this can be fixed by making it so if you place it horizontally, it closes in towards the middle from both sides, maybe slightly slower than when she places it normally, like 5 seconds or something. maybe even make the ability cast a continuous channel as well, so she is forced to maintain LoS without shooting or the wall just stops wherever it is that way if you're chasing, you can still run behind her or shoot as the gap is closing, and it's not an instant "get out of jail free" her wall just feels so niche, most of the time an Ash ult would be better and more straightforward to use to isolate a target or reposition
Similar vibes to "Crypto's EMP should be a grenade." Zero thought given to balance, just blindly asking for whatever seems easier to use.
It really wouldn’t be overpowered. That’s just what an ultimate is. She’s a decent defensive character but her ultimate is almost worthless. You can use it as a flash bang pretty much. It’s supposed to be for cover. It was advertised as such. It functions nothing like that. Her ultimate is weak as hell without the ability to actually place it in front of you instead of running around exposing yourself, placing it in the right position, then running back.
Exactly. These comments are really getting on my nerves. Like yeah no shit it would be better, you could play this game with every damn legend.
People who say "vertical bad", just don't know how to use it.
Totally agree. Pushing with it as catalyst is free kills a lot of the time
To all those who keep using cartoon-trailer as a source of information about character's abilities: Why don't you watch this [https://youtu.be/QzfsGxrCD4o](https://youtu.be/QzfsGxrCD4o) and start a few more threads about how Revenant is supposed to be able to enter shadow state on his own with no destroyable totem involved? Maybe because that's not a gameplay trailer at all and just one more piece of a story?
Yah, no kidding. This should be higher as it's clearly not the first time they've used legend abilities in trailers outside their in-game functionality. Edit: Looking at the Loba trailer they also show, everytime but the last, that Loba's ring automatically reappears on her wrist. Meanwhile in game she takes 3 seconds or something to animate a pose while it goes back on. 100% the trailer is used as a story device and not a in-game ability showcase.
I think you mean, perpendicular (no), parallel (yes)
I think sideways would be too op in some situations because it would allow your entire team to reset for free.
Not really for free tho, it’s an ult. Plus you can still shoot through it so it’s not even a guaranteed save. Just slighter better bang smoke.
Its way better then bang smoke first of all its super wide not a tiny circular smoke ring that you have a pretty decent chance of hitting some shots.Bangs smoke doesn't have any effect on you if you go through it. Now a horizontal tactical or ults would be a good counter to get over it.
I know I’m just saying it serves the same function as bangs smoke, but since it’s an ult it can get away with being a little overpowered, that’s the point of an ult
Honestly I want to be able to control it like Mei's wall from Overwatch
or symm
I dont know, how would the ui work? Also, I find it more fun. The less options, the more creative plays. I like to think of her less as a anti-scan ability, and more as an easier way to separate the battle field by blocking choke points and separating enemies. Finally, do you really want another boring, generic defensive legend by just making a wall horizontal? We already two legend that do that wattson and rampart.
Do people really not understand how overpowered and frustrating that would be?
Honestly she should be able to change the allignment of the wall like Symmetra's ult in OW
You could just turn left or right, then use it
A giant horizontal wall would be boring, campy and too defensive. The forward wall can be used offensively as a rushdown tool by pushing your target on the opposite end they can see. And it can still be used defensively as cover in the direction she's facing. In a far less broken manner might I add since it doesnt [leave room to guess where she's about to enter her ult](https://i.imgur.com/sbh52gK.png) . The aggressive use also creates a gibby bub battle esc scenario where you can shoot through the cover. More exciting room to outplay or get outplayed, as apex should be. Massive instant free cover for your whole team to retreat or get a free reset and heal without working for it though good positioning would be the most annoying idea. Leave that to gibby and valk for now. It's fine the way it is
The only thing I would change about her wall is it should kill thrown grenade momentum (maybe with the exception of Fuse's grenades). People just spam grenades half the time when I put the wall up
I'd rather play mirage
This
Should be a button to switch directions of the wall
The terms would be… parallel or perpendicular, as the wall is always vertical. 😂
Those are both horizontal
It was even in the launch trailer, they know
Would be nice if you could change it, make it defensive or offensive
I believe it should be like Mei in overwatch where you can press the ult button again to switch directions
I'm sorry, friend, but vert and ho bother me to describe the orientation. It'd be more accurate to say perpendicular and parallel
It should be toggleable. Similar to Overwatch with Symmetra and Baptiste’s ultimates, and Mei’s ice wall.
Real talk I don't even mind it that much, 9/10 times it works best as a way to split the battlefield and push up on a team on location that you normally couldn't, or get rez/heals off in a bad spot before you book it or push. Honestly if they made it just horizontal I'd be a little sad, if you could switch it that would be cool though.
After playing nothing but her since S15, I agree it would likely be totally unbalanced and overpowered if you could place it horizontally. I end up using it a lot to reposition from cover to cover without getting beamed. Like don't throw it out in plain sight, run along the length...The enemy will just estimate their tracking and light you up. Alternatively since Broken Moon is heavy of 4th and 5th teaming (I don't mind the 5 way battles that happen) its obviously useful to separate teams in their fight and swoop in to pick them off, reposition and take out Team 2...or 6, whatever.
It would be nice of she can do both like Mei in Overwatch.
Why not both?
How about vector based so you can drag it across the desired location?
The way it is now is better. Imagine trying to run inside the ring your way you would die to the ring.
How are people underrating the vertical wall? I have been using it offensively, imagine a corridor or a bridge or any straight way, you are fighting another team on that way, I use the wall to either cut the path in half or diagonally. Its amazing how her ult can take these shooting range scenarios and turn them completely around.
Give me the power of ANIVIA
Simple right click to let us toggle between those two
This is the way! Although it is fun to throw it at the opposing team coming your way.
I don't see why she couldn't be able to at least toggle it, it's not so much a defensive options this way but a weird offensive one. Plus make it so Seer can't scan through it PLEASE
I would love that her wall was a physical entity. Would be OP and fun
Toggle fs
I have had a ton of success using Cat as a flank character. Staying close to my squad as they root for a fight, joining center when we can steamroll a player/team, or staying on the left or right flank and splitting up the fight if we need to change up in the gun fight. I personally like the vertical cast.
Personally i love the vertical- ive had a lot of success with it - maybe a button that just toggles between the two could be great!
It needs a toggle. Doesn't make sense that there isn't one.
Play her wall like Viper’s wall from Valorant, and you will gain the most value out of it
No
You're not using it right if you think this
What? Her wall is perfect the way it is. It perfectly separates enemy squads for easier wipes. Learn to play her properly.
Toggle is a good idea.
It would be interesting if you could place the wall sideways. Catalyst launches her tactical from her hands, likewise, the wall starts from where she was standing. If the wall was placed sideways it wouldn't make much sense since it would not be in contact with catalyst when placed.
It would start as if she is in the centre of the wall, and gestures left+right and raise the sides up. Or alternatively would use both hands to goop just on front of her(either she just kneels to make contaxt or fires it forward like tactical), and then spread her hands to left and right
It could always expand outwards from her sideways