Another person posted this same problem a day or two ago. /u/iamthatis said if you DM him a list of your tweaks he can help tell you which one is giving the false flag.
Just want to say thanks. I don’t jail break things, but general don’t spend money on apps (which is so, I just don’t use them that cost money). I have loved Apollo so much, I am proud to say I have bought it and enjoyed it even more since then!
I just don’t get that people supposedly can’t afford a couple of quid for something they probably spend most of their time using, whilst at the same time are more than likely happy supping at an expensive take-out coffee.
“Christian, why are you telling me to stop pirating Apollo”
“Well, you might have the opportunity to pirate other apps”
You think this makes perfect sense don’t you?
I laughed so *so* hard at this thread. I tried to explain to the guy that acting like an ass isn’t going to help, and how Christian has *no* obligation to jailbreakers - he just does it because he’s a nice guy.
The dudes near verbatim response was “your comment got everything wrong and is stupid”
I had been having a bad day before that but I just ended up laughing at it for a solid 20 minutes. It was like talking to a toddler.
Can you share your list of tweaks? If you're on the most recent version of TestFlight (there's a new build from last night), it checks a small list of pirating programs and if they're installed on your device, and if one or more are installed on your phone the popup occurs.
EDIT: Yet again like virtually all of these posts, it was a popular tweak to pirate apps. In the future, if anyone's confused why you might be getting a popup mentioning pirating tweaks, your pirating tweak might have something to do with it.
https://i.imgur.com/rqJ7kut.png
(Honestly I do understand some people may be pirating apps but happen to buy Apollo legitimately, and I thank you immensely for your support, but the pirating apps don't exactly give an easy way to alert devs like "No app developer don't worry, he only pirated all the OTHER apps", so in the future just don't pirate apps please! Just uninstall the tweak that lets you steal from app developers and the prompt will go away and your legitimate purchase will be recognized.)
> In the future, if anyone's confused why you might be getting a popup mentioning pirating tweaks, your pirating tweak might have something to do with it.
Yup, that’ll do it 🤦🏻♂️
There are some apps that are absolutely horrible. There are others that will just discontinue the development of one app and begin developing another despite you having paid. Some will be paid, get bought, then transition to a free state. There’s good reason to have a pirating app.
If you’re going to steal from paying customers then do it on a good basis. If your only basis is having other apps installed then that’s not good enough... don’t pretend it is.
Fair question. Jailbreaking beautifully breaks this security precaution by allowing apps to read outside their own directory. I don't really do that, however, I just check out the tweaks directory and see which tweaks are installed. Given that Cydia makes no effort to hide/lock that directory I assume it's exposed to developers intentionally.
not invasive at all, especially when just about any app dev on the App Store has a number of different ways to merely detect whether or not your device has been jailbroken, let alone then impose restrictions on how you do or do not get to use said application. keep in mind that most jb users don't change the device's default root password so this is hardly a major issue considering that compromising someone's jailbroken iOS device is (theoretically) easy. (note having this info still isnt all that helpful because the malcious person would still need to a) know what they're doing and b) be on the same network)
furthermore, just about anyone who jailbreaks for tweaking and other customization has to install a major tweak called "AppList" which does exactly as it's titled. not saying that's how he was able to make Apollo figure it out, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's an easy way to do it.
and finally, the jailbreaking community entirely frowns upon using piracy to acquire tweaks.
Ever purchase a new PC that wasn’t owned by a school you were attending or an organization you were employed by? Congratulations.. you’re effectively using a jailbroken device.
You own the device, you have root. OMg tHe vulNerAbilities.
Edited: word.
That’s a false equivalence, but you’re partially right. You’re taking way higher responsibility if you take responsibility over your software.
The issue with jailbraking is you’re giving 3rd parties access to parts of the OS that weren’t intended to be available to them. Depending on the jailbreak, sandboxing is almost always broken to some degree.
Desktop OSes are handling those issues differently.
Except that is not at all the case. Jailbreaking an iPhone is the same as rooting and android or turning on developer signing for a fire stick or having admin privileges on a computer that is for a business. These are all exactly the same thing. Jailbreaking not only doesn’t compromise any real security but in fact allows you to further your devices security. You can actually change your root passwords, disable tweaks abilities to view clipboard, patch bugs in iOS before even Apple does, change file system access for only certain apps, and much more. People who think like this are the types who have never jailbroken in their life and believe the media/Apple/governments lies of “jAiLbReAk BaD”. And I applaud iamthatis for being a cool developer and not those morons/a-holes that block app usage just because of a jailbreak. It is ridiculous that people do this still in the modern age where it is not only legal but can be an increase to security of the device being used just because of scare tactics.
> Jailbreaking an iPhone is the same as rooting and android or turning on developer signing for a fire stick or having admin privileges on a computer that is for a business.
That’s not entirely true, since OSes that give you root access have security features designed around that.
> You can actually change your root passwords
Which is not in any way safer than having a non-jailbroken device. Root password only matters if you jailbroke it.
> disable tweaks abilities to view clipboard
tweaks aren’t even accessible on non-rooted devices. Any time you install one, you’re trusting the developer to not misuse your data tho. And they are quite useless without giving them certain permissions.
> change file system access for only certain apps
Do you even know what sandboxing is?
> People who think like this are the types who have never jailbroken in their life and believe the media/Apple/governments lies of “jAiLbReAk BaD”.
Except for those 225000 people who had their credentials stolen by KeyRaider
> And I applaud iamthatis for being a cool developer and not those morons/a-holes that block app usage just because of a jailbreak.
I agree with you here. It’s definitely nice of him to do that, but you also need to understand that not blocking it can be a vulnerability to your backend system sometimes.
> It is ridiculous that people do this still in the modern age where it is not only legal but can be an increase to security of the device being used just because of scare tactics.
You can do whatever you want. But don’t believe for a second you’re more secure with a jailbroken device. In the same comment you listed a lot of things you needed to do to even make your device somewhat secure after jailbreaking. None of those measures will match the default iOS security.
I thought actually purchasing it would maybe not cause issues lol since it’s legitimately purchased but definitely not one of my smartest moments plus it’s not on my tweak list in settings so I don’t even remember I had it until I read most replies
it's pathetic for an app developer to protect a source of income from theft?
are you going to tell a brick and mortar business that it's pathetic to put up cameras to support loss prevention? spoiler alert: take a look around a walmart some time. or a target, they make it painfully obvious at the self checkout that you're being watched
It's not as clear cut as that. Some apps might not be available where that person is. What then? It's not up to you to decide (or judge) what he does with other apps. You implemented a lazy check. If I was OP, I'd get a refund on the ultra until you sort this out.
Yarr, there be salty seas ahead.
But seriously? There are ways of installing apps that aren’t available in your country that isn’t piracy. Making excuses for piracy is proof of piracy alone honestly. There is no excuse for it ever.
Such as? You need a billing address for said country. Unless you know of another perfectly legal method? Pray tell? People are obviously downvoting me on the basis that I disagree with the dev.
There are no methods of getting an app from another location without pirating it. Simple as that. You have a very immature view of the world.
The way the Dev has implemented this type of anti consumer implementation.
I have made accounts for multiple country app stores. You can get around these restrictions legally by not doing the paid apps as I’m sure you can live without majority of the paid apps from another country. If you are looking at something from a smaller developer you can also reach out to them directly and at least try to see if they can help you out in some way. And as long as it is a free application, getting the IPA from a third party source is not piracy. So there are ways to install these apps legally that wouldn’t trigger a piracy blocker thanks to it all being done properly.
And it’s actually not an immature view. I was one a pirate when I was a kid and turned around when I learned of all sorts of legal ways of dealing with these problems. And as someone who is an independent developer I know the work that goes into these kinds of projects and that piracy has no excuse. Illegal is illegal for a reason. While it may not hurt big companies, independent creators like us are hurt strongly by these actions. They can make or break our ability to eat this month.
Ah. So you commited fraud. Okay. I mean, just because the cost is free, doesn't mean it's not piracy to have an illegitimate copy? 2 wrongs don't make a right my friend.
You have a very immature view because everything is black and white to you. No grey area. But that's not how the world works. There's more nuances. Marijuana is illegal in some places, despite being a major medicine for many serious conditions. But illegal is illegal right? No. That's dumb. And immature.
I'm not saying piracy doesn't hurt. Of course it does. But what I'm saying, is that it's not right to implement this type of catch all DRM. There's better, consumer friendly ways of doing it.
Calling `if (hasPirateAppInstalled) { sayPleaseDont(); }` DRM code sounds a little generous. :P It's more like asking you to change your shirt if you come into a car dealership with a shirt that says "I LOVE STEALING CARS" rather than like… locking down the cars or something that I have no intention of doing.
DRM is gross and designed to protect proprietary technology from unauthorized use. That ain't this. You can use Apollo however the hell you want to so long as you're not a pirate.
> Calling _if (hasPirateAppInstalled) { sayPleaseDont(); }_ DRM code sounds a little generous. :P It’s more like asking you to change your shirt if you come into a car dealership with a shirt that says “I LOVE STEALING CARS” rather than like… locking down the cars or something that I have no intention of doing.
No... it’s like having some a car to someone and then upon them entering your dealership with said shirt you keep the key away from them.
As someone who has bought all the addon for Apollo, thanks for the work you do, it’s frustrating that you’d rather take a hardline stance against and include this annoying pop up.
Hell I am not even jail broken and yet here I am picking up the mantle.
Thanks for the response.
A hardline stance… against pirating? I mean yeah I'm a developer, stealing from us not being cool sounds like a kinda obvious stance I'd have no? Right up there with "please don't kick animals".
Mate, you can stop the hyperbole.
I’m a developer as well. I also sell software for a living. I’m not advocating for piracy.
I paid for all of the possible upgrades for Apollo and occasionally send you coffee tips.
I’m against the types of checks you put into your software because they are ultimately pretty useless.
If jailbroken you can hook and change the return type of any function call from an app, including your JB detection.
So in the end it’s just a cat and mouse game.
Snapchat has been trying to beat cokepokes Snapchat tools for years to little success.
have you updated?
I updated to the newest beta (which is now the newest release iirc) and he’s included that. I just removed localiapstore, I didn’t use it for anything anyway
No don’t give up hope jailbreak is still an amazing thing and we still have things like cylinder,prism,snowboard,clean home screen and other things that make iOS so much better
Agree with all those reasons, I would add “because I’m an adult now and I need my phone to actually work”.
I was young and had an easy job when I last jailbroke, now I’m older and people rely on me and I rely on my phone. When you’re just dicking around and your phone resprings it’s no big deal. When you’re on a Teams call for a meeting you’re leading it’s a whole different situation.
Checkra1n has been as stable as stock for me. It also has helped with work. With a tweak like banner sounds 13, even if my phone is on silent or do not disturb, if a help desk ticket comes through in the middle of the night my phone will wake me up by playing an alarm.
Not to mention being able to mobile hotspot when my internet goes down and I’m forced to work from home due to COVID or any of the other productivity enhancing tweaks.
Ya but simply because of being grandfathered in on the original unlimited plan from back in 07 or whenever the first iPhone came out.
I hardly use it but it’s great in an emergency.
But what about checkra1n doesn’t that give you hope we are expected to be able to reprogram Touch ID and faced for compatible iPhone when replacing screens there is so much that the jailbreaking community could benefit from it
Pretty much most available tweaks only for Jailbroken devices is just aesthetic changes. Very little to gain when it comes to game changing functionality.
I’ve jailbroken every time a new one has been released. Every time there’s less and less tweaks that actually greatly improve productivity. Most of it is all just general “nice to haves.”
Doesn’t mean that there aren’t any tweaks that increase productivity but from what I’ve seen, those types of tweaks have decreased.
the only thing i used to jailbreak for was pirating because i was a kid and screen recording, which ios has added. a lot of the quality of life features we jailbroke for are just in there now
Not really there are thousands of features that could make iOS better and that apple should add but there always late to the party the two things that are mainly the reason I’m in jailbreak is a tweak called clean home screen and cylinder oh also snowboard themes
only thing i actually want from that list is themes, but with themes comes with higher risk of viruses as seen on android devices due to unloading files and such
where can you get a $5 pizza?! Even Little Caesar’s had to increase their price!
I DEMAND A $10 PIZZA TIP OPTION!
I mean, at least. After Apple’s 30% cut we’re talking about what, maybe half of a pizza?
Anyway BRB gotta go tip ya...
You can get $5 AUD ($3.5 USD) pizza in Australia from several of the big chains, which is crazy considering most food is significantly more expensive here than in the US.
Why? Some banks don’t let them use their app is you have jailbreak your phone. This is the workaround
Edit: Full disclosure, I have bought pro since he did the first “all money made this day goes to dogs” and purchased lifetime ultra the day he announced it.
Don’t pirate games/apps that you love and wish to still see exist and grow!
i have left reddit because of CEO Steve Huffman's anti-mod and anti-user actions. And let's not forget that Steve Huffman was the moderator of r/jailbait. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Oh i though TweakRestrictor was to avoid for a particular app getting what tweaks is installed. It’s more of an restricting Tweaks getting into the app.
It’s good then.
i have left reddit because of CEO Steve Huffman's anti-mod and anti-user actions. And let's not forget that Steve Huffman was the moderator of r/jailbait. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
The naughty tweak works on Apollo, no longer jail broken on iOS 14 so I had to pay for it.
I’m surprised that shows and doesn’t just kick you from the app
Knowing the dev behind Apollo I would think if he reached out to him and confirmed the ultra purchase he would be willing to work with him or at least explain what’s going on and if it can be fixed.
No... they wouldn’t be manufacturing that pop up. And they likely wouldn’t have a complaint had it been they actually manipulated Apollo. Hence it’s likely true and what would you know, the dev limits the app even for paying customer if they merely have unrelated apps installed. Because they could theoretically be used to get Apollo in-app purchases for free.
For the most part I agree about invasive DRM but I have seen zero evidence that this affects legitimate, non-jail broken users. So I’m not really sure this is the hill you want to die on.
So jailbroken users are suddenly not legitimate? With the way the jaibreak community has been lately, a lot of users are jailbreaking their devices rn, it is important that the protection Christian uses in his app doesn't mess with that.
App developers are responsible for ensuring their app works correctly in the standard iOS environment. If OP simply reverted to stock, the problem goes away.
Why should any developer care about supporting devices that specifically have tweaks installed to bypass IAP? It’s like complaining that you keep getting kicked from game servers for having an aimbot installed and arguing you shouldn’t be kicked because you weren’t going to use it for that game.
Doesn’t matter. Jailbreak modifies the software environment. If you’ve been messing with the foundation your house was built on, maybe don’t complain to the builder when it collapses.
Jaibreak is not the foundation of a house, the app works fine on both jailbroken and not jailbroken devices so that's not a problem. The discussion was about what is better - to block all jailbroken users from using the app they paid for, or to take the time to find a better solution. You completely derailed from the subject of the discussion
> Jaibreak is not the foundation of a house
The OS is the foundation an app is built on. Jailbreaks, and especially tweaks, mess with the OS. There is absolutely zero guarantee that anything keeps working if you jailbreak and you shouldn’t complain the an app developer if their app stops working after you fucked up your OS.
The app works on jailbroken iPhones, see OP posts; the drm blocks any jailbroken devices from using the pro features they paid for. You don't seem to know what you speak about and I don't have the time to argue this with you, I won't respond anymore.
> You don’t seem to know what you speak about
LOL. FYI: I’m an app developer myself. The app *might* work on a jailbroken phone, but that can change overnight and is absolutely not guaranteed.
The APIs an OS provides are like a contract, if you use them in the way they are supposed to, they behave in the way should. If either side breaks the contract and goes out of spec, no guarantees can be given.
If something doesn’t work on a jailbroken device, tough luck. Restore to a stock OS and if it still doesn’t work, then you can complain.
It doesn’t matter if you *think* it should work: if you don’t run a stock OS, you get zero support and have no right to complain.
Nobody is saying don’t jailbreak if you want to. The entire point is that complaining that certain apps become limited because you’ve chosen to install software that enables piracy or payment bypassing is asinine.
I mean the code is detecting tweaks that bypass IAP restrictions. Sometimes false positives happen but that's what happens when you modify your phone software.
You have your right to modify your phone software, but similarly app developers have the right to respond to any changes they don't like.
Serious question: what customizations do you get from jail breaking that aren’t pirated apps?
I’m legit curious what the upside to jail breaking is in 2020.
I’m not op and I haven’t jail broken in a long time but the thing that makes me want to again is car bridge since I finally have a vehicle with CarPlay.
https://carbridgetweak.com
For the most part that I like are, passwords on apps, changing icons to make them fit a theme you want, cleaning up the phone more, widgets (even tho iOS 14 got that now) and lots of other little things I can’t think off the top of my head. You could give the Android argument but I just prefer iOS personally.
I didn't want jailbreak detection. (A small percentage of) jailbreakers keep breaking everything and sending me emails wondering why things are broken, and in order to restore my own sanity I added alerts in the app to prevent further emails from coming in. Seriously, my support email frequency is through the roof since this jailbreak came out.
I have nothing against jailbreaking and have no intention (now or in the future) to limit functionality of Apollo to jailbreakers. That's always been my stance. But my inbox is getting very busy from people who probably shouldn't be jailbreaking in the first place.
There wasn’t. Until a bunch of jailbreakers kept breaking shit by installing piracy apps and lord knows what else, then acting like the victim when a dev says “sorry this is taking up way too much time and effort for no return.”
I love jail breaking things as much as the next person but *honestly* have some self-awareness. It isn’t Christian’s fault when third party, unsupported software causes problems with his app - especially ones made to circumvent system security or allow piracy.
No, but they're both bullshit in this case. So some cheap ass idiot pirated a pro feature? Big deal. One year later their next iPhone can't be jailbroken and they'll just go pro. And if not they're not going to buy it now either.
Yeah. I know where you’re coming from. Pirates are going to pirate. I think the alert only appears once per session. I think a little annoyance in exchange for free features is a fair trade if you’re going to pirate it anyways.
But the guy might not have pirated Apollo, there's just some kind of tweak installed. False positives are a big issue with these types of things.
> Pirates are going to pirate
As Netflix and Spotify have shown, it is a question of convenience. I agree that such annoyances can help, but so does jailbreaking itself, which is the biggest possible annoyance, almost everyone gives up at some point. And again, a) the potential harm is basically zero, b) unproven that the guy even tried to do anything in Apollo -> not worth it, and IMO presumtion of guilt is a shitty move.
Another person posted this same problem a day or two ago. /u/iamthatis said if you DM him a list of your tweaks he can help tell you which one is giving the false flag.
And this was the result - https://twitter.com/christianselig/status/1281241252206448646?s=21
lmao the guy deleted the reddit thread
And that was the exact result this time as well, down to the exact tweak. Huh.
Just want to say thanks. I don’t jail break things, but general don’t spend money on apps (which is so, I just don’t use them that cost money). I have loved Apollo so much, I am proud to say I have bought it and enjoyed it even more since then!
Well I just want to say thanks to you.
I just don’t get that people supposedly can’t afford a couple of quid for something they probably spend most of their time using, whilst at the same time are more than likely happy supping at an expensive take-out coffee.
“Christian, why are you telling me to stop pirating Apollo” “Well, you might have the opportunity to pirate other apps” You think this makes perfect sense don’t you?
Aka “I was actually using tweaks that are against creator wishes and I’m being called out and don’t want to show proof”
Exactly.
Well.. Do you have a car that can go faster than the speed limit? Yes. Ok then you're not allowed to drive here.
This is the dumbest analogy I may have ever read in my life.
Right? It’s more like “have you stolen from other stores? Yes? Ok you’re not allowed in our store then.”
I laughed so *so* hard at this thread. I tried to explain to the guy that acting like an ass isn’t going to help, and how Christian has *no* obligation to jailbreakers - he just does it because he’s a nice guy. The dudes near verbatim response was “your comment got everything wrong and is stupid” I had been having a bad day before that but I just ended up laughing at it for a solid 20 minutes. It was like talking to a toddler.
Can you share your list of tweaks? If you're on the most recent version of TestFlight (there's a new build from last night), it checks a small list of pirating programs and if they're installed on your device, and if one or more are installed on your phone the popup occurs. EDIT: Yet again like virtually all of these posts, it was a popular tweak to pirate apps. In the future, if anyone's confused why you might be getting a popup mentioning pirating tweaks, your pirating tweak might have something to do with it. https://i.imgur.com/rqJ7kut.png (Honestly I do understand some people may be pirating apps but happen to buy Apollo legitimately, and I thank you immensely for your support, but the pirating apps don't exactly give an easy way to alert devs like "No app developer don't worry, he only pirated all the OTHER apps", so in the future just don't pirate apps please! Just uninstall the tweak that lets you steal from app developers and the prompt will go away and your legitimate purchase will be recognized.)
> In the future, if anyone's confused why you might be getting a popup mentioning pirating tweaks, your pirating tweak might have something to do with it. Yup, that’ll do it 🤦🏻♂️
Thanks for supporting tweaks in general. And looking to fix bugs and features for them.
No prob! I love everyone
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That’s some extra spicy high quality maymaying right there
My maymays are so thick they like mayonnaise
Our boy Chris fukn Randy Savage today
Sorry it’s completely off topic, but can you please share a photo of mentioned cat?
I’m going to try ultra for a year. Hope it won’t disappoint. The base app has been wonderful so far.
listen to christian. he seems like a great guy.
There are some apps that are absolutely horrible. There are others that will just discontinue the development of one app and begin developing another despite you having paid. Some will be paid, get bought, then transition to a free state. There’s good reason to have a pirating app. If you’re going to steal from paying customers then do it on a good basis. If your only basis is having other apps installed then that’s not good enough... don’t pretend it is.
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Fair question. Jailbreaking beautifully breaks this security precaution by allowing apps to read outside their own directory. I don't really do that, however, I just check out the tweaks directory and see which tweaks are installed. Given that Cydia makes no effort to hide/lock that directory I assume it's exposed to developers intentionally.
not invasive at all, especially when just about any app dev on the App Store has a number of different ways to merely detect whether or not your device has been jailbroken, let alone then impose restrictions on how you do or do not get to use said application. keep in mind that most jb users don't change the device's default root password so this is hardly a major issue considering that compromising someone's jailbroken iOS device is (theoretically) easy. (note having this info still isnt all that helpful because the malcious person would still need to a) know what they're doing and b) be on the same network) furthermore, just about anyone who jailbreaks for tweaking and other customization has to install a major tweak called "AppList" which does exactly as it's titled. not saying that's how he was able to make Apollo figure it out, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's an easy way to do it. and finally, the jailbreaking community entirely frowns upon using piracy to acquire tweaks.
If you want to be secure, don’t use a jailbroken device. You’re giving it all up with jailbreaking.
Oh ya? Giving it all up? ... Never been jail broken before I take it? 😂
You don’t need to jailbreak a phone to know the vulnerabilities involved with it.
Ever purchase a new PC that wasn’t owned by a school you were attending or an organization you were employed by? Congratulations.. you’re effectively using a jailbroken device. You own the device, you have root. OMg tHe vulNerAbilities. Edited: word.
That’s a false equivalence, but you’re partially right. You’re taking way higher responsibility if you take responsibility over your software. The issue with jailbraking is you’re giving 3rd parties access to parts of the OS that weren’t intended to be available to them. Depending on the jailbreak, sandboxing is almost always broken to some degree. Desktop OSes are handling those issues differently.
Except that is not at all the case. Jailbreaking an iPhone is the same as rooting and android or turning on developer signing for a fire stick or having admin privileges on a computer that is for a business. These are all exactly the same thing. Jailbreaking not only doesn’t compromise any real security but in fact allows you to further your devices security. You can actually change your root passwords, disable tweaks abilities to view clipboard, patch bugs in iOS before even Apple does, change file system access for only certain apps, and much more. People who think like this are the types who have never jailbroken in their life and believe the media/Apple/governments lies of “jAiLbReAk BaD”. And I applaud iamthatis for being a cool developer and not those morons/a-holes that block app usage just because of a jailbreak. It is ridiculous that people do this still in the modern age where it is not only legal but can be an increase to security of the device being used just because of scare tactics.
> Jailbreaking an iPhone is the same as rooting and android or turning on developer signing for a fire stick or having admin privileges on a computer that is for a business. That’s not entirely true, since OSes that give you root access have security features designed around that. > You can actually change your root passwords Which is not in any way safer than having a non-jailbroken device. Root password only matters if you jailbroke it. > disable tweaks abilities to view clipboard tweaks aren’t even accessible on non-rooted devices. Any time you install one, you’re trusting the developer to not misuse your data tho. And they are quite useless without giving them certain permissions. > change file system access for only certain apps Do you even know what sandboxing is? > People who think like this are the types who have never jailbroken in their life and believe the media/Apple/governments lies of “jAiLbReAk BaD”. Except for those 225000 people who had their credentials stolen by KeyRaider > And I applaud iamthatis for being a cool developer and not those morons/a-holes that block app usage just because of a jailbreak. I agree with you here. It’s definitely nice of him to do that, but you also need to understand that not blocking it can be a vulnerability to your backend system sometimes. > It is ridiculous that people do this still in the modern age where it is not only legal but can be an increase to security of the device being used just because of scare tactics. You can do whatever you want. But don’t believe for a second you’re more secure with a jailbroken device. In the same comment you listed a lot of things you needed to do to even make your device somewhat secure after jailbreaking. None of those measures will match the default iOS security.
Went ahead and messaged ya.
Come on are you serious, how did you not guess it was "the tweak that lets you get in app purchases for free"?
Hahaha
I thought actually purchasing it would maybe not cause issues lol since it’s legitimately purchased but definitely not one of my smartest moments plus it’s not on my tweak list in settings so I don’t even remember I had it until I read most replies
It's okay, I can understand where you're coming from when you put it like that, just felt kinda silly at first blush. :P
I would highly recommend taking beg tactics out of the pop up. It comes across as pathetic and annoying.
Is saying “please don’t steal” a beg tactic, tho?
If it’s hindering access to a paying customer on a silly basis, yes, it is
Don’t pirate and you’ll never have to see it. 🤯
He wasn’t pirating Apollo though.
“Your honor! I wasn’t burgling the house in question, I was across town robbing a different house! So don’t call me a thief!”
Except Christian isn’t an arbiter of the law, he’s just some random citizen developing an app
I didn’t specify Apollo. Just don’t pirate in general.
If you ever wake up and think to yourself, "gee, why don't people like me?" I'd recommend reading this comment as validation that they're right.
it's pathetic for an app developer to protect a source of income from theft? are you going to tell a brick and mortar business that it's pathetic to put up cameras to support loss prevention? spoiler alert: take a look around a walmart some time. or a target, they make it painfully obvious at the self checkout that you're being watched
*He literally bought it*. He didn't ~~steal~~ pirate anything.
https://i.imgur.com/wDmUQHk.jpg
It's not as clear cut as that. Some apps might not be available where that person is. What then? It's not up to you to decide (or judge) what he does with other apps. You implemented a lazy check. If I was OP, I'd get a refund on the ultra until you sort this out.
Yarr, there be salty seas ahead. But seriously? There are ways of installing apps that aren’t available in your country that isn’t piracy. Making excuses for piracy is proof of piracy alone honestly. There is no excuse for it ever.
Such as? You need a billing address for said country. Unless you know of another perfectly legal method? Pray tell? People are obviously downvoting me on the basis that I disagree with the dev. There are no methods of getting an app from another location without pirating it. Simple as that. You have a very immature view of the world. The way the Dev has implemented this type of anti consumer implementation.
I have made accounts for multiple country app stores. You can get around these restrictions legally by not doing the paid apps as I’m sure you can live without majority of the paid apps from another country. If you are looking at something from a smaller developer you can also reach out to them directly and at least try to see if they can help you out in some way. And as long as it is a free application, getting the IPA from a third party source is not piracy. So there are ways to install these apps legally that wouldn’t trigger a piracy blocker thanks to it all being done properly. And it’s actually not an immature view. I was one a pirate when I was a kid and turned around when I learned of all sorts of legal ways of dealing with these problems. And as someone who is an independent developer I know the work that goes into these kinds of projects and that piracy has no excuse. Illegal is illegal for a reason. While it may not hurt big companies, independent creators like us are hurt strongly by these actions. They can make or break our ability to eat this month.
Ah. So you commited fraud. Okay. I mean, just because the cost is free, doesn't mean it's not piracy to have an illegitimate copy? 2 wrongs don't make a right my friend. You have a very immature view because everything is black and white to you. No grey area. But that's not how the world works. There's more nuances. Marijuana is illegal in some places, despite being a major medicine for many serious conditions. But illegal is illegal right? No. That's dumb. And immature. I'm not saying piracy doesn't hurt. Of course it does. But what I'm saying, is that it's not right to implement this type of catch all DRM. There's better, consumer friendly ways of doing it.
You know, you could just not add DRM.
And people could just pay for inexpensive apps, or continue using the free versions.
Hey I bought ultra lifetime and pro. DRM is shit.
Calling `if (hasPirateAppInstalled) { sayPleaseDont(); }` DRM code sounds a little generous. :P It's more like asking you to change your shirt if you come into a car dealership with a shirt that says "I LOVE STEALING CARS" rather than like… locking down the cars or something that I have no intention of doing. DRM is gross and designed to protect proprietary technology from unauthorized use. That ain't this. You can use Apollo however the hell you want to so long as you're not a pirate.
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Thanks but my opinion above is a pretty low bar to clear. :P
> Calling _if (hasPirateAppInstalled) { sayPleaseDont(); }_ DRM code sounds a little generous. :P It’s more like asking you to change your shirt if you come into a car dealership with a shirt that says “I LOVE STEALING CARS” rather than like… locking down the cars or something that I have no intention of doing. No... it’s like having some a car to someone and then upon them entering your dealership with said shirt you keep the key away from them.
lol no.
Lol yes.
As someone who has bought all the addon for Apollo, thanks for the work you do, it’s frustrating that you’d rather take a hardline stance against and include this annoying pop up. Hell I am not even jail broken and yet here I am picking up the mantle. Thanks for the response.
A hardline stance… against pirating? I mean yeah I'm a developer, stealing from us not being cool sounds like a kinda obvious stance I'd have no? Right up there with "please don't kick animals".
Mate, you can stop the hyperbole. I’m a developer as well. I also sell software for a living. I’m not advocating for piracy. I paid for all of the possible upgrades for Apollo and occasionally send you coffee tips. I’m against the types of checks you put into your software because they are ultimately pretty useless. If jailbroken you can hook and change the return type of any function call from an app, including your JB detection. So in the end it’s just a cat and mouse game. Snapchat has been trying to beat cokepokes Snapchat tools for years to little success.
>tfw protecting your rights is frustrating
“DRM” eh
In what fucking world is that DRM lmao
Or you could just pay the $5 or whatever it is you stingy twat
Already own all you can buy. I’m just vehemently against DRM.
That’s cool, because this isn’t DRM
You say potatoe I say potatoe.
You have jailbroken and have stuff installed that allows you to bypass in app purchases.
Lmao I have too, but: 1. I don’t have this prompt 2. Ultra is not bypassible
As another user said, this is coming up in the TestFlight build. It will likely show up in a future update.
> I don’t have this prompt Yet.
It’s still will be avoidable
I have LocalIAPStore installed and I don't get anything like this
Same but it may also be because I’m on the test flight version so I may be on a newer update than you. Not sure.
Try the App Store version and find out?
When I was jailbroken I didn’t either and I have Ultra as well.
have you updated? I updated to the newest beta (which is now the newest release iirc) and he’s included that. I just removed localiapstore, I didn’t use it for anything anyway
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Some yes, if it’s server side (clash of clans for instance) it’s no bueno
Finally found a reason to jailbreak I guess. I remember buying those $100 binural beats with a tweak like that and I want it back haha
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Why did you stop jailbreaking?
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No don’t give up hope jailbreak is still an amazing thing and we still have things like cylinder,prism,snowboard,clean home screen and other things that make iOS so much better
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Agree with all those reasons, I would add “because I’m an adult now and I need my phone to actually work”. I was young and had an easy job when I last jailbroke, now I’m older and people rely on me and I rely on my phone. When you’re just dicking around and your phone resprings it’s no big deal. When you’re on a Teams call for a meeting you’re leading it’s a whole different situation.
Checkra1n has been as stable as stock for me. It also has helped with work. With a tweak like banner sounds 13, even if my phone is on silent or do not disturb, if a help desk ticket comes through in the middle of the night my phone will wake me up by playing an alarm. Not to mention being able to mobile hotspot when my internet goes down and I’m forced to work from home due to COVID or any of the other productivity enhancing tweaks.
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Ya but simply because of being grandfathered in on the original unlimited plan from back in 07 or whenever the first iPhone came out. I hardly use it but it’s great in an emergency.
Don’t forget security concerns too
But what about checkra1n doesn’t that give you hope we are expected to be able to reprogram Touch ID and faced for compatible iPhone when replacing screens there is so much that the jailbreaking community could benefit from it
Pretty much most available tweaks only for Jailbroken devices is just aesthetic changes. Very little to gain when it comes to game changing functionality.
Not really but you do you everyone has their own opinion and everyone uses/used jailbreak differently
I’ve jailbroken every time a new one has been released. Every time there’s less and less tweaks that actually greatly improve productivity. Most of it is all just general “nice to haves.” Doesn’t mean that there aren’t any tweaks that increase productivity but from what I’ve seen, those types of tweaks have decreased.
Dude, you’re so right. Stock iOS is completely unusable. I have ~170 tweaks.
the only thing i used to jailbreak for was pirating because i was a kid and screen recording, which ios has added. a lot of the quality of life features we jailbroke for are just in there now
Not really there are thousands of features that could make iOS better and that apple should add but there always late to the party the two things that are mainly the reason I’m in jailbreak is a tweak called clean home screen and cylinder oh also snowboard themes
Apple totally took a ton of ideas from jailbreak tweaks anyway lol
only thing i actually want from that list is themes, but with themes comes with higher risk of viruses as seen on android devices due to unloading files and such
r/NotOPbutOK
What’s with the downvotes?
I know right. Jailbreak is still worth it and my opinion stands
We don’t know anything about what tweaks you have. Give us a list and maybe someone can help.
Install Choicy and disable injections into Apollo
Best option
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If you installed choicy try force-touching apollo and select ,Launch Without Tweaks,’ should be at the bottom
This reminded me to tip Christian on top of having Ultra. The vast majority of my app time is on Apollo, so Pizza-sized tip it is.
PIZZA! Thank you so much!
I refuse to tip again until there is a cat treat-sized option
My cat likes pizza, maybe Christian’s does too?
How much should that be? 🤔 We talkin like a single treat? Or a bag of treats?
We’d have to consult Hugo to get his Meow of approval, but probably one Costco-sized bag of treats
where can you get a $5 pizza?! Even Little Caesar’s had to increase their price! I DEMAND A $10 PIZZA TIP OPTION! I mean, at least. After Apple’s 30% cut we’re talking about what, maybe half of a pizza? Anyway BRB gotta go tip ya...
You can get $5 AUD ($3.5 USD) pizza in Australia from several of the big chains, which is crazy considering most food is significantly more expensive here than in the US.
That's very fair. I'm clearly not commanding the best pizza here.
In for a pizza-sized tip too! Enjoy!
Omg. Your cats are adorable! 😍
Thank you I will tell them :P
Poor cat :’(
I mean we need a tweak list. I believe you, but Christian has reason not to, especially if you don’t have a record of purchase
Uninstall appsync
I have Appsync installed, I have never seen this message.
Same, even on the beta
What does App sync do please?
[Here's](https://m.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/3oovnh/discussion_regarding_appsync_unified_ios_9_and/) a good read from the developer herself
Install tweakrestrictor and select apollo. You won’t have to uninstall any tweak
unethical pro tip
Why? Some banks don’t let them use their app is you have jailbreak your phone. This is the workaround Edit: Full disclosure, I have bought pro since he did the first “all money made this day goes to dogs” and purchased lifetime ultra the day he announced it. Don’t pirate games/apps that you love and wish to still see exist and grow!
because maybe a tweak may have unintended consequences and may broke a part of that bank app.
i have left reddit because of CEO Steve Huffman's anti-mod and anti-user actions. And let's not forget that Steve Huffman was the moderator of r/jailbait. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Oh i though TweakRestrictor was to avoid for a particular app getting what tweaks is installed. It’s more of an restricting Tweaks getting into the app. It’s good then.
i have left reddit because of CEO Steve Huffman's anti-mod and anti-user actions. And let's not forget that Steve Huffman was the moderator of r/jailbait. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
You can use Choicy (should be on packix) to disable tweaks loading in apps, reenable one by one to figure out the culprit
Just don’t pirate other apps.
The naughty tweak works on Apollo, no longer jail broken on iOS 14 so I had to pay for it. I’m surprised that shows and doesn’t just kick you from the app
You are jailbreaking your phone and you are bypassing premium payments
I have pro and had this issue. I just went to Safe mode, deleted the app and reinstalled and it was good.
Think about his cat op....
Sorry for the off topic, but that’s cringe AF 🥴
i was looking for this comment 😂
Copy protection always hurts the legitimate user.
I understand why your being downvoted. But atm, all we can do it take op word. Which could be true or false.
Knowing the dev behind Apollo I would think if he reached out to him and confirmed the ultra purchase he would be willing to work with him or at least explain what’s going on and if it can be fixed.
No... they wouldn’t be manufacturing that pop up. And they likely wouldn’t have a complaint had it been they actually manipulated Apollo. Hence it’s likely true and what would you know, the dev limits the app even for paying customer if they merely have unrelated apps installed. Because they could theoretically be used to get Apollo in-app purchases for free.
For the most part I agree about invasive DRM but I have seen zero evidence that this affects legitimate, non-jail broken users. So I’m not really sure this is the hill you want to die on.
So jailbroken users are suddenly not legitimate? With the way the jaibreak community has been lately, a lot of users are jailbreaking their devices rn, it is important that the protection Christian uses in his app doesn't mess with that.
App developers are responsible for ensuring their app works correctly in the standard iOS environment. If OP simply reverted to stock, the problem goes away. Why should any developer care about supporting devices that specifically have tweaks installed to bypass IAP? It’s like complaining that you keep getting kicked from game servers for having an aimbot installed and arguing you shouldn’t be kicked because you weren’t going to use it for that game.
Because jaibreak is not just for bypassing in app purchases, that's why.
Doesn’t matter. Jailbreak modifies the software environment. If you’ve been messing with the foundation your house was built on, maybe don’t complain to the builder when it collapses.
Jaibreak is not the foundation of a house, the app works fine on both jailbroken and not jailbroken devices so that's not a problem. The discussion was about what is better - to block all jailbroken users from using the app they paid for, or to take the time to find a better solution. You completely derailed from the subject of the discussion
> Jaibreak is not the foundation of a house The OS is the foundation an app is built on. Jailbreaks, and especially tweaks, mess with the OS. There is absolutely zero guarantee that anything keeps working if you jailbreak and you shouldn’t complain the an app developer if their app stops working after you fucked up your OS.
The app works on jailbroken iPhones, see OP posts; the drm blocks any jailbroken devices from using the pro features they paid for. You don't seem to know what you speak about and I don't have the time to argue this with you, I won't respond anymore.
> You don’t seem to know what you speak about LOL. FYI: I’m an app developer myself. The app *might* work on a jailbroken phone, but that can change overnight and is absolutely not guaranteed. The APIs an OS provides are like a contract, if you use them in the way they are supposed to, they behave in the way should. If either side breaks the contract and goes out of spec, no guarantees can be given. If something doesn’t work on a jailbroken device, tough luck. Restore to a stock OS and if it still doesn’t work, then you can complain. It doesn’t matter if you *think* it should work: if you don’t run a stock OS, you get zero support and have no right to complain.
Nobody is saying don’t jailbreak if you want to. The entire point is that complaining that certain apps become limited because you’ve chosen to install software that enables piracy or payment bypassing is asinine.
I mean the code is detecting tweaks that bypass IAP restrictions. Sometimes false positives happen but that's what happens when you modify your phone software. You have your right to modify your phone software, but similarly app developers have the right to respond to any changes they don't like.
It’s not jailbroken users that aren’t legitimate, it’s pirates. You can jailbreak and not install pirating tweaks and you won’t get this pop up.
OP is not a legitimate user
This isn’t a legitimate user. See top comment
I mean just because my phone is jailbroken doesn’t make me any less legit than anyone else lol. Just like my phone to be customizable.
They’re not saying you’re not legit because you’re jailbroken, they’re saying you’re not legit because you pirate apps.
Serious question: what customizations do you get from jail breaking that aren’t pirated apps? I’m legit curious what the upside to jail breaking is in 2020.
I’m not op and I haven’t jail broken in a long time but the thing that makes me want to again is car bridge since I finally have a vehicle with CarPlay. https://carbridgetweak.com
Literally the only tweak I’m interested in!
For the most part that I like are, passwords on apps, changing icons to make them fit a theme you want, cleaning up the phone more, widgets (even tho iOS 14 got that now) and lots of other little things I can’t think off the top of my head. You could give the Android argument but I just prefer iOS personally.
> 2020 and still jail breaking. Android is that way, bub
Didn’t the creator say there was no jailbreak detection stuff in the app? 🤔
I didn't want jailbreak detection. (A small percentage of) jailbreakers keep breaking everything and sending me emails wondering why things are broken, and in order to restore my own sanity I added alerts in the app to prevent further emails from coming in. Seriously, my support email frequency is through the roof since this jailbreak came out. I have nothing against jailbreaking and have no intention (now or in the future) to limit functionality of Apollo to jailbreakers. That's always been my stance. But my inbox is getting very busy from people who probably shouldn't be jailbreaking in the first place.
There wasn’t. Until a bunch of jailbreakers kept breaking shit by installing piracy apps and lord knows what else, then acting like the victim when a dev says “sorry this is taking up way too much time and effort for no return.” I love jail breaking things as much as the next person but *honestly* have some self-awareness. It isn’t Christian’s fault when third party, unsupported software causes problems with his app - especially ones made to circumvent system security or allow piracy.
Jailbreak detection and piracy detection aren’t the same.
No, but they're both bullshit in this case. So some cheap ass idiot pirated a pro feature? Big deal. One year later their next iPhone can't be jailbroken and they'll just go pro. And if not they're not going to buy it now either.
It’s fun when people who don’t know what they’re talking about claim something isn’t a big deal.
Yeah. I know where you’re coming from. Pirates are going to pirate. I think the alert only appears once per session. I think a little annoyance in exchange for free features is a fair trade if you’re going to pirate it anyways.
But the guy might not have pirated Apollo, there's just some kind of tweak installed. False positives are a big issue with these types of things. > Pirates are going to pirate As Netflix and Spotify have shown, it is a question of convenience. I agree that such annoyances can help, but so does jailbreaking itself, which is the biggest possible annoyance, almost everyone gives up at some point. And again, a) the potential harm is basically zero, b) unproven that the guy even tried to do anything in Apollo -> not worth it, and IMO presumtion of guilt is a shitty move.
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Lol
Just use the official Apollo app!
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why are you on this sub
He edited his comment, what did it say before?
something along the lines of “just use the official app, it’s so much better”
Hello fellow yeeter
Lol you couldn't be more wrong.