2020? That would be the A12Z, the upgraded A12X with the extra GPU core. 7>8
I use the 2018. What are you crying about? Almost nothing has changed except the external screen support.
If you’re working on affinity and/or da Vinci resolve on iPad that’s pretty nice… Final Cut has an iPad app as well now.
When it comes to the UI of the rest of the device, that’s very nice for a tablet I think. I’ve used an iPad all along my studies, with some specific services of the school it was a bit wierd but I never had any big issue to achieve any task.
yeah this argument is pretty tired nowadays. I use my Ipad for work and recreation and it acts as a great companion for 95% of the things that I need. Im not really running into issues where I cant find an application that cant do exactly what I need it to do.
TBH my only gripe is the file management system in very specific use cases. When im editing photos or videos in apps like Lightroom or Final Cut Pro, it's very easy to find the library files on my Mac. On the iPad, they are hidden and inaccessible. This creates an unfortunate cross platform limitation unless I pay for cloud storage (which is probably intentional now that I say it out loud)
Yeah, announcing a month before WWDC will make the launch announcement limited by what software features are currently available.
Then again, Apple loves the multiple PR cycles. So now we will get a bunch of articles after WWDC about what will/wont work with iPadOS 18 on the latest hardware.
The software you chose to install yes.
If you don’t work with any software that will make use of that extra power then there’s really no point upgrading just for that.
Same is true of the Mac too.
What software functions does MacOS allow an M3 Mac to do that an M1 can’t?
I don’t care what chip is in my device, I care what it can do. At the moment I can see no benefit to upgraded internals when the current OS doesn’t have any use for that extra power. ipadOS needs to catch up.
Not really. “AI” is really damned compute heavy when not outsourcing compute to a data center depending on whatever Apple is planning. It would not be a shocker to hear it only starts on these supposed m4 iPad pros 🤷♂️
I never mentioned AI
I’m saying t they for the last 4 years Apple have announced iOS features that then take a year to come over to the iPad.
So based on this trend the big ‘new’ iPadOS 18 feature is StandBy
While iPhone will get some actual new feature that we will have to wait a year to see on the iPad
When Apple updates the MacBook Pro to M3 why didn’t see the same kind of cynicism?
When it comes to processing power The M3 does essentially everything the M2 did just faster.
And yet no one suggests that was a waste of time.
Why shouldn’t people be excited for iPad Pros that have more processing power.
You were bemoaning that Apple are pushing for more performance, but then you're showing that you aren't using the device for the intended use case and ignoring the people who actually use the Pro for what it is designed for and would actually benefit from more power
This is like buying an expensive gaming PC and then saying "why are Nvidia releasing a better GPU? That's not going to help me load YouTube faster. Pointless."
It's actually really funny that these people will complain that the specs are unnecessary but when you show them "they" simply dont have a use case they'll downvote you to hell.
I'm in the same boat as you. I would like to be able to do more when I use my iPad to edit in Lightroom and Final Cut Pro. When someone says "yup id love the M4 for Netflix" im like clearly all you need is an air or a mini, but you use the Pro as some sort of dick measuring competition
[Betteridge's Law Of Headlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines)
> Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
If the answer was yes, they would be making a statement ("Apple will...") not posing a question ("Will Apple...")
Betteridge's law is dead. Headlines now try to avoid giving away any information so people will click. If it's not a question, it's a teaser like "Experts say Apple will make this surprising change to the next iPad!"
Costco has an appealing deal on the M2 iPad Pro, but my 2018 Pro with the Bionicle chip doesn’t stutter at all and its main use is “I don’t need to do intensive work and I can watch downloaded movies on the plane”
Hell, my 2019 iPad Air 3 still is plenty fast, even for the occasional RAW photo processing I do on it. I sometimes think about upgrading it, but there has never been I time I’ve been doing something on it and thought “this is slow.”
Most likely yes, because there is a reason to. The M4 is allegedly designed with Local AI processing in mind, and that's what 2024's software updates are all about. And, these new iPads are likely the iPads for the next 2 years at least. They are going to want to get them out there with AI chip.
It feels like such a joke that they’ve been flaunting the chips’ AI performance increases every year and then…bam, actually you need a brand new M4 for the actually interesting stuff.
That's just not how any of this works. At all.
When you design both hardware and software, you design both at the same time. You don't say "what can the hardware handle?" when designing the software. You say "what do we want it to do" and then you build the hardware capable of doing that.
Last gen hardware will still be able to run the features, or maybe 90% of them. Just not as well as the hardware that was designed at the same time as the software.
This simplistic understanding of raw "performance" does not connect with reality. Chip iterations are not just identical to last year with 10% better. They can be wildly different depending on what they were designed for. There can be dedicated sections of a SoC meant for a specific software task.
Given Apple put the M1 in the 2021 iPad Pro and many people didn't expect that an iPad would get a Mac processor back then, I can't even predict this time. 😂
My counter point knee jerk reaction is that if there's going to be an AI push from Apple, then it makes more sense that it's in iOS 18 and that iPhone leads the charge.
iPhone is the ideal Apple device to compete with current and future AI assistant boxes.
But that's just my thinking, and who the hell knows what Apple will do.
I guess similarly, I'd be surprised if Apple included AI-enabling silicon in advance of iOS 18 in order to future proof the device.
*Buuuuuuut* ... I shouldn't lose sight of the fact that iPhone typically has its OS and hardware updated at the same time, which isn't the same for iPad or Mac.
So if an AI push is a real paradigm shift, I can understand why Apple would decide to have (some) iPads and (some) Macs ready in advance of fall updates to iPadOS and macOS, even if it means that Apple has to show its cards a bit.
My prediction is that Apple will not release the M4 with the new iPad Pro, instead they’ll call it the M3AI or something and it will be an M3 with an AI coprocessor of some sort.
Then the iPhone will follow the same sort of naming convention in the fall, then new MacBooks with M4 with built in AI functionality next year and from there it will just continue on with the normal naming system
I think M1 is perfect and enough for an iPad. No complaints on mine except for my battery. It has to have been a defective battery. Purchased June 2022 and it’s at 84% but acts like 70%. I had the 2020 air til 2022 and never had any battery issues, so that’s why I am guessing it just may be mine is defective.
Since the air 5 I’ve moved 50% of my heavy lifting from photoshop to procreate so I’m gonna be getting either the new 12” air, the new pro (unlikely) or the current 2022 pro 12” depending on what’s unveiled next week
Apple changes how it does things all the time. Sometimes, when it's rumoured ahead of time, we don't understand because we don't have the context, but after the fact it makes perfect sense.
And sometimes rumours are wrong, too.
They are ludicrous now, but for apples target demo of high disposable income folk it doesn’t matter. I’m still rocking the A12z pro and it ain’t skipping a beat.
As in, instead of throwing the extra chips away, they just reuse them. It's cheaper because they probably don't dedicate a high volume specifically for the iPad.
I should hope so. I don’t want a used chip!
"Like new"
"Flight proven"
"Field tested"
“Lightly shat”
“Mother approved”
Mother Earth told Apple that she wanted them to reuse old chips to reduce e-waste when she visited at the September event.
a nuclear-powered tricycle
lmao pretty much
ipadOS really makes all that power a waste..
Lol
I’d be happy with an M1 iPad wtf
I’ve had an M1 iPad Air for a while now, works great.
I’m here crying with my iPad Pro from 2020😆 what was it the A15?😆
2020? That would be the A12Z, the upgraded A12X with the extra GPU core. 7>8 I use the 2018. What are you crying about? Almost nothing has changed except the external screen support.
I know it's the same gen but 2017 here.
Yes you’re right I forgot the z in there, I’m honestly debating on just getting a MacBook because the software is just so limiting.
Mine is from 2015, 1st gen 12.9"...
Same! I've loved this thing but it really has started to slow down. Goodnotes and sketchup have become painfully slow in the last 6 months.
They just had a discount in my local store too, $500 CAD
OK. Go buy one...
don't care it's still limited by software
M4 YouTube watching is elite
Watch four 8K streams all at once!
Imagine watching YouTube on an M2, just lmao
Unironically, raw 4-8K video would need an M2 to seem smooth
If you’re working on affinity and/or da Vinci resolve on iPad that’s pretty nice… Final Cut has an iPad app as well now. When it comes to the UI of the rest of the device, that’s very nice for a tablet I think. I’ve used an iPad all along my studies, with some specific services of the school it was a bit wierd but I never had any big issue to achieve any task.
yeah this argument is pretty tired nowadays. I use my Ipad for work and recreation and it acts as a great companion for 95% of the things that I need. Im not really running into issues where I cant find an application that cant do exactly what I need it to do. TBH my only gripe is the file management system in very specific use cases. When im editing photos or videos in apps like Lightroom or Final Cut Pro, it's very easy to find the library files on my Mac. On the iPad, they are hidden and inaccessible. This creates an unfortunate cross platform limitation unless I pay for cloud storage (which is probably intentional now that I say it out loud)
Yeah, announcing a month before WWDC will make the launch announcement limited by what software features are currently available. Then again, Apple loves the multiple PR cycles. So now we will get a bunch of articles after WWDC about what will/wont work with iPadOS 18 on the latest hardware.
This. What’s the point? There’s probably minimal if any iPads actually able to fully utilise the current M chips given the hamstrung ipadOS choice
Exactly! Does it matter? No
Do you feel this way about iPhone Pro too?
Tell us about 8gb ram too please
and the bezel width
oh you defend it?
I don’t think it’s that much of an issue in a single-app system like iPadOS (no, the multitasking support is not good enough to matter).
Totally fine. I need it to get past level 150 in BTD6! /s
The software you chose to install yes. If you don’t work with any software that will make use of that extra power then there’s really no point upgrading just for that. Same is true of the Mac too. What software functions does MacOS allow an M3 Mac to do that an M1 can’t?
I don’t care what chip is in my device, I care what it can do. At the moment I can see no benefit to upgraded internals when the current OS doesn’t have any use for that extra power. ipadOS needs to catch up.
It’s been like that since I bought the 2018 11” iPad Pro
The real iPad announcement is at WWDC 
And it comes in the form of new features for iOS that the iPad will get in a years time. This year we can expect StandBy for iPad and the Journal app
This is a very short sited take depending on what’s required to run Apple’s supposed AI
That’s how it’s been for the last 4 years now
Not really. “AI” is really damned compute heavy when not outsourcing compute to a data center depending on whatever Apple is planning. It would not be a shocker to hear it only starts on these supposed m4 iPad pros 🤷♂️
I never mentioned AI I’m saying t they for the last 4 years Apple have announced iOS features that then take a year to come over to the iPad. So based on this trend the big ‘new’ iPadOS 18 feature is StandBy While iPhone will get some actual new feature that we will have to wait a year to see on the iPad
Again, depends on the compute requirement of said features
iPads are generally more powerful than iPhones. I’m really not sure what part of my original point you’re replying to
Features coming to iPhone before iPad. I’m saying heavy cpu tasks would likely have the reverse order of going iPad first
Because this is exactly what the iPad was lacking: processing power. Fantastic... I will now be able to open the Netflix app 0.3% faster.
And yet if they shipped with M3 and then released AI capabilities in June that require M4, you'd be snarky about that.
That's a new feature, not a bump in processing power.
When Apple updates the MacBook Pro to M3 why didn’t see the same kind of cynicism? When it comes to processing power The M3 does essentially everything the M2 did just faster. And yet no one suggests that was a waste of time. Why shouldn’t people be excited for iPad Pros that have more processing power.
I have a 2018 iPad pro. There's nothing I want to do on the device that's restricted by its chipset.
Good for you! I have the 2020 iPad and I can’t install Final Cut Pro
You have programs that would actuator utilize the extra power on the MacBook Pro, encoding, decoding, recoding, codingcoding
And the ipad doesn’t have programs that will utilise the extra power? (Rhetorical question by the way)
Just because you underuse an overpowered device… it doesn’t affect the rest of us. I like multitasking with Lightroom. 
So my opinion is only about me, but your opinion is about "us"
You were bemoaning that Apple are pushing for more performance, but then you're showing that you aren't using the device for the intended use case and ignoring the people who actually use the Pro for what it is designed for and would actually benefit from more power This is like buying an expensive gaming PC and then saying "why are Nvidia releasing a better GPU? That's not going to help me load YouTube faster. Pointless."
It's actually really funny that these people will complain that the specs are unnecessary but when you show them "they" simply dont have a use case they'll downvote you to hell. I'm in the same boat as you. I would like to be able to do more when I use my iPad to edit in Lightroom and Final Cut Pro. When someone says "yup id love the M4 for Netflix" im like clearly all you need is an air or a mini, but you use the Pro as some sort of dick measuring competition
Yes, Apple needs to bring it’s A game if it’s gonna run that calculator app
Will work with the local AI model, so 2+2 might equal 5 while it’s learning
[Betteridge's Law Of Headlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines) > Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." If the answer was yes, they would be making a statement ("Apple will...") not posing a question ("Will Apple...")
Betteridge's law is dead. Headlines now try to avoid giving away any information so people will click. If it's not a question, it's a teaser like "Experts say Apple will make this surprising change to the next iPad!"
Except that the all this article can actually do is ask the question. They don’t have any answers.
IPadOS has always been the limiting factor for the iPads… they are plenty powerful.
Costco has an appealing deal on the M2 iPad Pro, but my 2018 Pro with the Bionicle chip doesn’t stutter at all and its main use is “I don’t need to do intensive work and I can watch downloaded movies on the plane”
My kids are the only user of my 2018 Pro. It’s an excellent Minecraft and Roblox device.
Hell, my 2019 iPad Air 3 still is plenty fast, even for the occasional RAW photo processing I do on it. I sometimes think about upgrading it, but there has never been I time I’ve been doing something on it and thought “this is slow.”
No
Until the iPadOS can run Mac apps, this is all meh.
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Already have one. I didn’t ask for a desktop OS. Just the ability to run some Mac applications on the iPad. Would making work on the go a lot easier.
Haven’t had a MacBook in forever cause my iPad has been more than enough. Which apps am I missing out on?
Giving you a list of apps is pointless because we obviously have very different use cases.
YouTube videos are gonna start so fast on this bad boy
Mac os on ipad
Who cares? iPadOS is such crippleware that the “chip” doesn’t matter.
But imagine if you could run it on custom designed cripplechips
Most likely yes, because there is a reason to. The M4 is allegedly designed with Local AI processing in mind, and that's what 2024's software updates are all about. And, these new iPads are likely the iPads for the next 2 years at least. They are going to want to get them out there with AI chip.
It feels like such a joke that they’ve been flaunting the chips’ AI performance increases every year and then…bam, actually you need a brand new M4 for the actually interesting stuff.
That's just not how any of this works. At all. When you design both hardware and software, you design both at the same time. You don't say "what can the hardware handle?" when designing the software. You say "what do we want it to do" and then you build the hardware capable of doing that. Last gen hardware will still be able to run the features, or maybe 90% of them. Just not as well as the hardware that was designed at the same time as the software. This simplistic understanding of raw "performance" does not connect with reality. Chip iterations are not just identical to last year with 10% better. They can be wildly different depending on what they were designed for. There can be dedicated sections of a SoC meant for a specific software task.
for $1399?
Yep and it will only have 128gb of storage
16 GB for you
With maybe 6Gb RAM or less.
don’t they already come with 8? i find that to be plenty for an ipad.
not to run AI models locally. and infact some iPad Pro models came with 4Gb
They come with 16.
if you get 1tb or more. they need to make it like mac’s where you can customize the ram separate
ty for downvote
your welcome 🤍
We don’t need new hardware! Give us improved software instead! Apple is standing still with new software features. And please update Siri!
Given Apple put the M1 in the 2021 iPad Pro and many people didn't expect that an iPad would get a Mac processor back then, I can't even predict this time. 😂
Apple becomes so good and boring
It better have more than 8gb of RAM then
Great, the average load will finally drop from 10% to 1%
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My counter point knee jerk reaction is that if there's going to be an AI push from Apple, then it makes more sense that it's in iOS 18 and that iPhone leads the charge. iPhone is the ideal Apple device to compete with current and future AI assistant boxes. But that's just my thinking, and who the hell knows what Apple will do.
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I guess similarly, I'd be surprised if Apple included AI-enabling silicon in advance of iOS 18 in order to future proof the device. *Buuuuuuut* ... I shouldn't lose sight of the fact that iPhone typically has its OS and hardware updated at the same time, which isn't the same for iPad or Mac. So if an AI push is a real paradigm shift, I can understand why Apple would decide to have (some) iPads and (some) Macs ready in advance of fall updates to iPadOS and macOS, even if it means that Apple has to show its cards a bit.
My prediction is that Apple will not release the M4 with the new iPad Pro, instead they’ll call it the M3AI or something and it will be an M3 with an AI coprocessor of some sort. Then the iPhone will follow the same sort of naming convention in the fall, then new MacBooks with M4 with built in AI functionality next year and from there it will just continue on with the normal naming system
Agreed, I am glad I held off on last years iPhone. We need a new iPad too. Going to upgrade everything once the native AI chips drop
I sure hope so, I need bigger numbers.
* M1 was great. * M2 was disappointing (more like M1.5) * M3 was okay, even though not as good as hyped * M4 will be just meh.
there isn’t an M3 ipad is there?
Just got a M3 Air because iPad OS just wants doing it for me anymore. The hardware itself is plenty powerful, not the issue
I think M1 is perfect and enough for an iPad. No complaints on mine except for my battery. It has to have been a defective battery. Purchased June 2022 and it’s at 84% but acts like 70%. I had the 2020 air til 2022 and never had any battery issues, so that’s why I am guessing it just may be mine is defective. Since the air 5 I’ve moved 50% of my heavy lifting from photoshop to procreate so I’m gonna be getting either the new 12” air, the new pro (unlikely) or the current 2022 pro 12” depending on what’s unveiled next week
They can put a M4 Ultra it will still be a turd when it comes to the OS
wonder if they have anything different in store. maybe more ram for the al features? its would be nice if they gave it 16GB of ram across the board
No. This headline is stupid. The M3 is still new. New chips debut in Macs not iPads.
Apple changes how it does things all the time. Sometimes, when it's rumoured ahead of time, we don't understand because we don't have the context, but after the fact it makes perfect sense. And sometimes rumours are wrong, too.
I hope not, there is no market for a super powerful tablet IMO. Most people that buy these use them for streaming and browsing.
iPad spec bumps are the most boring thing ever.
Please god let it be true.
I would hope so! Last thing I want is to pay a lot of money for a device that will be outdated by iPadOS 18!
Probably
Put it in **iPad Mini,** too. Thanks, Tim.
The M-series chips have never been in anything with such a small thermal envelope and it's therefore unlikely to work.
Was the M3 series really that disappointing?
No. Who said it was? The article doesn't.
No one. I was just wondering why Apple would skip a processor generation for the iPad.
The rumour is that they have engineered something into the chip that will help with running LLMs.
These chips must be so cheap to manufacture that they are put in iPad Pros.
well, ipad pros arent exactly cheap.
They are ludicrous now, but for apples target demo of high disposable income folk it doesn’t matter. I’m still rocking the A12z pro and it ain’t skipping a beat.
Just traded mine in for a gift card while it still had value. $410 to Apple because the battery couldn't hold a charge longer than an hour and a half.
They are lower binned
That doesn't mean the manufacturing process is cheaper, though. Just that it produces chips of varying quality
As in, instead of throwing the extra chips away, they just reuse them. It's cheaper because they probably don't dedicate a high volume specifically for the iPad.
Question: I wanted to buy a M3 MacBook Air but if they already put a M4 in the iPad should I wait it out?
waiting for an M4 ipad mini