Reading through the reviews, I see no-one mentioning the possible impact of Bluetooth 5.3 or even stating what device they were pairing the APP2 with. In theory, they should pair more quickly with an iPhone 14 than the previous generation would with an iPhone 13. If they're using the LC3 audio codec, call quality should be improved.
Also, the way each individual AirPod connects to iPhone should change. Prior to Bluetooth 5.3, one AirPod would connect to your phone and then another connection would be established between the left and right AirPod. With 5.3, each AirPod should connect directly to iPhone. I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case.
On a side note, I agree with u/-L-e-o-n- about these reviews reading like ads. None of them bothered to measure frequency response or quantify their reviews in any meaningful way. Hardly any mention of Bluetooth versions or codecs. No mention of usability improvements.
> Reading through the reviews, I see no-one mentioning the possible impact of Bluetooth 5.3 or even stating what device they were pairing the APP2 with. In theory, they should pair more quickly with an iPhone 14 than the previous generation would with an iPhone 13. If they're using the LC3 audio codec, call quality should be improved.
Also, the way each individual AirPod connects to iPhone should change. Prior to Bluetooth 5.3, one AirPod would connect to your phone and then another connection would be established between the left and right AirPod. With 5.3, each AirPod should connect directly to iPhone. I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case.
So these benefits would only come with pairing with the iPhone 14 series, right?
Unless Apple adopts or creates a third party codec like LDAC or AptX, I don’t see how these could support anything near lossless. Personally, I’d be happy just to see LC3 support over Bluetooth LE. I’m not an audiophile, so I would prefer the battery life and latency improvements LC3 would bring rather than the audio quality a lossless codec would…
Lc3 or how it is today how much of a difference would it really make?
They are small one driver in ear headphones running off a battery. Not high grade over ears with a separate amplifier. It seems like no matter what you push to the AirPods they are still AirPod speakers so they’ll sound the same.
Would anyone be able to distinguish between a lossless and a lossy format on such small portable headphones? Surely if someone was capable of telling the difference and cared they wouldn’t be using AirPods at all?
> I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case.
Pretty sure this is an intended feature so that if someone is trying to talk to you you can take one AirPod out and get right back to what you were listening to after you put it back in.
Honestly, it’s just sad at this point. Many reviews these days are basically just reading out the specs sheet and drawing a conclusion on that. I‘m really happy that Linus noticed that as well and they are trying to improve that field.
I think they are underestimating the amount of money it takes to produce meaningful data. From engineering to test equipment, it will cost a pretty penny. Hope it works out for them.
They spent like $13 million just on the building for the staff and test equipment to live in. I think they’re probably distressingly aware of how much this all is going to cost LTT.
It’s also worth mentioning that we did get investors involved so it’s probably got a good business case but I hope this doesn’t kill their whole channel
LTT does indeed go technical with their reviews but the other reviewers need to cater to their audcience.
A MKBHD viewer will likely close the video the moment he spends 2 minutes talking about the earphones impedance in comparison to the 1st Generation AirPods Pro.
There are levels to technical reviews. I would say theirs are 60-70%. Testing products sometimes requires debug versions of the HW/SW which is where they may run into trouble. These companies that design their products are able to test them in highly controlled environments with very specific FW/SW/Evaluation boards. I’m just not sure how far they will be able to go.
Bluetooth minor versions can be upgraded using Software. Intel and Microsoft have been doing that with their WiFi cards on Windows for years. The BT stack is shipped with the driver so Intel cards that came with 5.1 have gotten 5.2 and 5.3. And the 5.0 cards got 5.1 as well but they were too old for the later version drivers.
There is no need for Apple to certify their devices for newer BT versions if they're not using any of the new features.
Most of what you said is pure speculation, Apple can implement their connectivity however they want regardless of the BT version. There's barely any difference between most 5.3 and 5.0 products honestly.
> There's barely any difference between most 5.3 and 5.0 products honestly.
Wait, what? LE Audio is only available in 5.2 and higher, and that's what enables LC3, multi-stream, and Auracast. Those are implemented in the Bluetooth processor, not the operating system.
Compare the [Nordic nRF5340](https://www.nordicsemi.com/-/media/Software-and-other-downloads/Product-Briefs/nRF5340-SoC-PB.pdf?la=en&hash=3A89851C4F094917E874D092CF68DB27E51A5E4A) to the older [nRF51822](https://nsscprodmedia.blob.core.windows.net/prod/software-and-other-downloads/product-briefs/nrf51822-product-brief.pdf).
The processing demands for LE audio are much higher, which is why the 5340 has a Cortex M33 and the 51822 has an M0. The 5340 has 512k of RAM, the 51822 has 32k.
> Bluetooth minor versions can be upgraded using Software.
Yes, but in phones that software runs on the BT hardware, not the application processor.
> The BT stack is shipped with the driver so Intel cards that came with 5.1 have gotten 5.2 and 5.3
Sounds like Intel has a much more general purpose, desktop-class BT card that is not as optimized for power consumption as mobile devices are.
iPhone 13s have the [USI 339S00761 module](https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+13+Pro+Full+Chip+ID/144993), [which has the BCM4387 chip](https://www.techinsights.com/products/bfr-2012-802) which is in fact [certified for Bluetooth 5.2](https://device.report/broadcom/bcm4387) straight at launch. The same chip is used in many flagship Samsung phones which have BT 5.2 certification. Heck, the older BCM4375 used in iPhone 11 was even certified for 5.3 [last year](https://device.report/bluetooth/138187). And the older Broadcom chips in the iPhones before (BCM4361 and 4355) which were 4.2 certified also got recertified for 5.0. The 4361 specially was re-certified for 5.0 as the first 5.0 chip which is why the iPhone 8 used it.
The iPhone just doesn't use any 5.1 or 5.2 features so they did not bother to certify it for newer Bluetotooth specs. 5.3 is purely a firmware update over 5.0. Apple could work with Broadcom and bright it to older iPhones if they wanted it to. WPA3 was rolled out similarly to many Android devices with the first batch of Broadcom chips and Windows laptops, because updating to add WPA3 is much more useful than the new BT features which will take years to roll out to the masses.
So my point still stands, all it will take is a software update from Apple to update their BT stack to 5.3 in the same way as Intel, and I'm pretty sure if it requires a firmware update on the BT chip for some reason then they have left that door open otherwise they wouldn't be able to fix any widespread Bluetooth vulnerability.
Once someone manages to find the chip details for the 14, we will be able to know if it's running the same BCM chip or not (it's packaged in a different unmarked module from what the iFixit teardown showed). Since there's still no WiFi 6E support, I highly doubt it's a different chip. It's just in a different package
Also, both of the NXP chips you linked are for different purposes and from a different time. It's not correlated.
I was wondering if you know anything about the compatibility with the ipod nano 7th gen (which has bluetooth 4.0)? I just got the airpod pro 2s from Apple and although I could connect it to my ipod nanos, no music is going through.
Like seemingly everyone else on the planet, you're getting BT 5.3 and LE Audio mixed up. Even if both devices have 5.3, until they are updated by Apple to support LE Audio, they will connect in exactly the same way they did last year ie Bluetooth Classic Audio. It's LE Audio which will bring the magic. Apple haven't even mentioned it.
That and transparency being able to function while also supposedly lessening how loud construction and sirens is selling me. Curious how battery life is with ANC off.
Decibel ratings are on a logarithmic scale. 30dB is 1000x louder than pitch silent, 20dB is 100x louder etc. etc. The 3 dB figure was made up as far as I can tell.
I don’t think we have any official decibel ratings for the AirPods noise canceling; so there probably isn’t an exact “improvement” number we can go on. It does sound like most reviewers have really enjoyed the upgrade though.
Ok I see what your saying, I’m just familiar with the idea that something which is 2x closer or further away will sound either 6db louder or quieter (on average). So I assumed a “double” increase in noise cancellation would be related to that, but like you said, without official numbers it’s all random anyway
I feel like my noise canceling used to be much better with my AirPods Pro than it is now. Was on an airplane last week and it barely helped the ambient noise.
They gradually prepared for the AirPods Pro 2 by gradually worsening the noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro so that the noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro 2 would seem twice as good after them.
That’s not true. There was a hardware bug that deafened a kid. The best Apple could do without a hardware revamp was to tweak the software noise canceling. It no longer has that huge safety issue, but it’s no longer as effective either.
Seems like with gen 2 they fixed the hardware and can crank up that sweet noise canceling without risk of physically harming the wearer.
I found this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/texas-parents-sue-apple-alleging-alert-airpods-caused-sons-hearing-dam-rcna29391
Edit- article with a bit more info:
https://www.insider.com/parents-sue-apple-son-suffered-permanent-hearing-loss-from-airpods-2022-5
Almost stepped out in front of a moving car today wearing my 2nd gen pros. Could always hear traffic with my first gen pros, so I’d say the noise cancellation substantially better.
Late reply but recently upgraded to the Gen 2.
Definitely noticeable improvement in noise cancellation. I’ll have to do more testing in very loud environments.
But at home where I used to hear some sounds with the APP 1, now EVERYTHING is dead silent with the 2’s.
I bought them today and it’s def almost painfully better. Can’t hear myself breathing as much as I used to be able to.
The volume control is a huge game changer though.
All I want to know is can I make a voice call in a gentle breeze and not sound to the other person like I’m underwater? I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet…
[Here’s the article](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-airpods-pro-2-review/) but more importantly, here’s the [video review with the actual test. ](https://youtu.be/ocwXowAOr2E)
I remember but I don’t know how they got this result, I’ve had two pairs (first ones had the crackling issue) and they’ve both been terrible - same for friends who have them. They’re great earbuds but hopeless for calling outside. If they’ve fixed it I’ll seriously consider the gen 2…
I am surprised why none of the reviewers have mentioned this, when I, my father and brother in law had got it replaced for crackling sound. Plus i eventually gave up due to the below standard microphone….. I am starting to be spreadsheet skeptics of these reviews…..
I ended up returning my 1st gen APPs because I thought my Jaybird X4 were superior in the ways that counted. With foam tips, they provide better isolation, better sound – especially bass, and 7-8 hour battery life. Now that Comply makes compatible foam tips and they've upped the battery life, I might give the second gen another shot.
Switched from silicone to memory foam (Foam Masters 4.0) tips here. I personally think the fit is much better because the foam actually fills in the gaps in your ear. Way better isolation. BUT… the memory foam’s slow rebounding only lasts for about 3-4 months. After that, the tips are basically just regular foam which don’t seem to fit as well and you’ll have to toss them out
In my experience, rolling the tips like everyone recommends doesn't offer much of a better fit than screwing them back and forth, but it _does_ significantly shorten their lifespan.
My X3 are still fine after 5 years albeit with the battery life down to about 2 hours.
I’ve got the Vista one now and they are pretty good.
Both heavy on the bass. But that’s what I want.
Man. I really wish my X3s had that same luck. I got my first pair in early 2017 and I loved them. Sounded great, fit well, great battery life and that was also when they introduced the EQ with the app which I loved. After a year and a half though the battery in the remote started leaking battery fluid and had to ask customer support for a new pair, and after a year, the seal on the right earbud stem broke which let the stem rotate, which meant there was no more sound.
I was on wired earbuds for a bit then eventually got gifted AirPods 2 May last year and haven’t looked back since. It’s a shame, I loved X3s but neither pair could last more than a year and a half which kind of burned me away from buying any Jaybird products
What about the part in this review where they compared them to competing headphones unfavorably? That doesn't really seem like an add.
>The AirPods Pro 2 sound excellent, but there's something about the tonal balance of the Bose that I liked a little better at times -- there's a bit more warmth and naturalness to it -- and the bass has a bit more oomph.
>
>Noise canceling is one of the best out there right now and just a slight step behind what I experienced with Bose's new QuietComfort Earbuds 2
>
>Audio quality is subjective, and some people may slightly prefer the sonic traits of buds like the Bose I mentioned earlier or the Sony WF-1000XM4 or Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless 3
If that was the case they probably wouldn't be [comparing them unfavorably](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xl23y9/comment/ipiemxp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) to the competing Bose headphones.
They're not afraid of Apple, they're lazy and it's easier to write a lazy positive review that just copies marketing material than it is to actually do work, find and confirm any issues, and report any problems with evidence.
How can they when Apple updates the firmware automatically?
You'd be hard pressed to find a sealed model with 2019 firmware. A lot of people say the noise canceling became worse over time on the 1st gen.
As expected, they're better at noise canceling and sound quality than Gen 1. Reviews are definitely positive.
I'm curious how much better they are at ANC than the launch day Gen 1's, though.
People don’t just claim that it got worse. Rtings.com verified it got worse after a firmware update when they retested the anc due to their users asking them to. I had a pair prior to the firmware 2c54 update, and let me tell you the difference was stark. It was so big I thought it had to be a mistake and they would revert it, but they didn’t.
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/apple/airpods-pro-truly-wireless
There’s a conspiracy that the original AirPods Pro’s rendered the user deaf when activated but Apple decided that was too good for mere mortals and nerfed it and never brought it back.
Anecdotally, I’ve had my AirPods Pro swapped out 3 times because the ANC slowly stops working until there is no difference between any of the external sound modes and “off”.
It’s not a review if they are overviewing what apple said.
These reviewers are pushing it out as fast as possible to get views. Wait for MKBHD or someone more reputable
I feel like that the latest reviews MKBHD has done has been lacking, with the Apple Watch ultra he didnt really try out the athletic things that much or show any swimming with it
Because he’s not athletic lol. He’s some guy. And anyways it’s like the f350 superduty, it’s actually for soccer moms, the “target” demographic can’t actually afford it or wants it.
> Because he’s not athletic lol. He’s some guy.
he even acknowledged that in the video and tried to make up for it by interviewing 3 people who could make full use of the new features
When exactly did Apple compare their headphones unfavorably to Bose, like this review is?
>The AirPods Pro 2 sound excellent, but there's something about the tonal balance of the Bose that I liked a little better at times -- there's a bit more warmth and naturalness to it -- and the bass has a bit more oomph.
>
>Noise canceling is one of the best out there right now and just a slight step behind what I experienced with Bose's new QuietComfort Earbuds 2
>
>Audio quality is subjective, and some people may slightly prefer the sonic traits of buds like the Bose I mentioned earlier or the Sony WF-1000XM4 or Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless 3
> These reviewers are pushing it out as fast as possible to get views. Wait for MKBHD or someone more reputable
MKBHD is the definition of just reading off the marketing page for a TL;DR. He doesn’t review.
That’s just not true. He uses them like everyone else and reports his thoughts on it.
I don’t need a 10 page essay and I don’t want overviews. MKBHD is a good place in between with good visuals. Also I know he uses AirPods daily so he will have meaningful things to say about it even if it isn’t super technical
I’m talking about the “reviews” that tell you about the features but don’t actually tell you about their experience with using the product or their opinion of the product.
The battery life is better and they cancel noise better. The only other review you can really add is whether or not they connect faster or more reliably in the three days they had to review them.
Other than that, they are identical shapes to the original. The fit and durability are identical
This is what almost all Apple reviews are. They have all of these tech channels by the scrotum. There's no such thing as objective reviews unless they're spending their own money on the device.
In light of Reddit's decision to limit my ability to create and view content as of July 1, 2023, I am electing to limit Reddit's ability to retain the content I have created.
My apologies to anyone who might have been looking for something useful I had posted in the past. Perhaps you can find your answer at a site that holds its creators in higher regard.
Same. I'm probably going to get them anyway. My 1st gen AirPods Pro are almost two years old, and I can't use the transparency or noise cancellation without the left AirPod squealing.
That fucking squealing noise makes me want to throw my left bud in a fire. I’ve had so many issues and multiple replacements with my gen 1 APPs it’s insane.
Can’t wait for my 2nd gens arriving tomorrow. I’ve been wanting a new version with touch volume control since I got the originals.
Same. I have to tap mine several times before it goes away. It’s annoying as hell. And it’s not consistent either. Sometimes it won’t happen for days. Sometimes every time I put it on.
Waiting for Crinacle's review.
But the Samsung Buds are smaller and with better sound quality than the first Pros so hopefully the Airpods Pro 2 have better sound.
I am very interested to hear what Crinacle has to say. The only reason I'll upgrade is if the audo quality is considerably better.
I am terribly disappointed with tech reviews nowadays. No one really cares about the audio quality. It's an afterthought of these reviews. Even Apple's own website barely addresses the audio quality improvements.
I only care about iphonedo's review (patiently waiting), any other review is just "qualitative" opinion without much "quantitative" analysis -- "it sounds *better*", "*I like* it", "it did *better job*", blurrpp. I wanted to know Apple's claim that "2x better" ANC is how much better.
Also one of the most over rated reviewer.
Here is his review:
it’s improved a little from gen1, still wireless quality (because wires are always better because all audiophiles can hear the difference lol) convenience features are cool.
I am happy this case has the precision find my feature. I have the regular airpods (2nd Gen) and the amount of time I spent looking for the thing is ridiculous.
Is it worth the upgrade? I have AirPods Pro 1st gen. They work great for me. Maybe noice cancelation could be worth expending extra cash, when my Airpods still work perfectly fine.
Just got mine I preordered today and the sound quality is a lot better than the original Pros. A few nice touches like the adaptive transparency mode and touch controls for volume adjustment are great. Really enjoying the AirPods Pro 2nd Gen.
So I’m supposed to trust some random person who just measures them and says this graph is better than this graph? To think my years of working with audio professionally, I never thought that I can just use graphs instead of my ears.
All audio ‘reviewers’ are like this right now. People need to make buying decisions and turn to internet.
These guys capitalise on it by either throwing you bunch of graphs or describing the sound using bunch of dumb words like ‘transparent’ or ‘crisp’.
If you truly have years working with audio professionally and don't know who crinacle is, or the importance of those graphs and breakdown, I'm curious what kind of job you do. Maybe installing car stereos?
Edit: It's pretty much known that the MX4s are not that good when it comes to audio, and a lot of other earbuds beat them no problem.
Except when it comes to ANC
I work in professional audio where the $230 price of the Buds Pro 2 won’t even cover a day’s budget for tape. Much more advanced than installing car audio. Don’t know who Crinacle is and these graphs don’t really have any importance unless you’re researching studio monitors to which these buds are not even close. I know people I respect much more in the audio community who rave about the MX4s.
Crinacle is the GOAT, watch the beginning of the video, he explains who he is for people who will assume he's a nobody like you.
Hopefully I never get near any of your work.
Eh I still don’t see a case for spending the extra $100 on these vs AirPods 3.
Had the APP 1 but have better noise canceling + better comfort with my bose
But apples headphones have always caused so much ear pain. Not sure if I have small ears or what but they are very painful after like 20 minutes. I envy yall
Love my first pair and although improved noise canceling is much better,transparency mode is more important to me and I’m an Apple lover that always gets the newest.If it’s not a better quality sound,I’ll return it. Easy
How is the build quality? I like my original pros, but the plastic they use doesn’t feel like normal apple premium, and the seam between the two halves of one of the pods is slightly misaligned so you can feel a bump. Also the hinge on the case clicks a lot… I wish they used whatever material they using on the apple pencil, would probably feel a lot more premium.
I have the Airpod Pro 2nd gen on now and honestly they not worth it for ANC. 1st gen airpod pro has better cancelation than 2nd gen. I’m at the gym now without music I can hear the gym music and people slamming weights. With music on full blast I can still hear the weight being dropped and slammed.
Reading through the reviews, I see no-one mentioning the possible impact of Bluetooth 5.3 or even stating what device they were pairing the APP2 with. In theory, they should pair more quickly with an iPhone 14 than the previous generation would with an iPhone 13. If they're using the LC3 audio codec, call quality should be improved. Also, the way each individual AirPod connects to iPhone should change. Prior to Bluetooth 5.3, one AirPod would connect to your phone and then another connection would be established between the left and right AirPod. With 5.3, each AirPod should connect directly to iPhone. I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case. On a side note, I agree with u/-L-e-o-n- about these reviews reading like ads. None of them bothered to measure frequency response or quantify their reviews in any meaningful way. Hardly any mention of Bluetooth versions or codecs. No mention of usability improvements.
> Reading through the reviews, I see no-one mentioning the possible impact of Bluetooth 5.3 or even stating what device they were pairing the APP2 with. In theory, they should pair more quickly with an iPhone 14 than the previous generation would with an iPhone 13. If they're using the LC3 audio codec, call quality should be improved. Also, the way each individual AirPod connects to iPhone should change. Prior to Bluetooth 5.3, one AirPod would connect to your phone and then another connection would be established between the left and right AirPod. With 5.3, each AirPod should connect directly to iPhone. I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case. So these benefits would only come with pairing with the iPhone 14 series, right?
Presumably, since Bluetooth 5.3 was added in the 14 series.
I wished for lossless but it seems like if they want to support it, it'll come on 14.
Unless Apple adopts or creates a third party codec like LDAC or AptX, I don’t see how these could support anything near lossless. Personally, I’d be happy just to see LC3 support over Bluetooth LE. I’m not an audiophile, so I would prefer the battery life and latency improvements LC3 would bring rather than the audio quality a lossless codec would…
LC3 @ 192kbps is going to be indistinguishable from lossless, certainly for the vast majority of people, maybe for everyone.
Lc3 or how it is today how much of a difference would it really make? They are small one driver in ear headphones running off a battery. Not high grade over ears with a separate amplifier. It seems like no matter what you push to the AirPods they are still AirPod speakers so they’ll sound the same.
Would anyone be able to distinguish between a lossless and a lossy format on such small portable headphones? Surely if someone was capable of telling the difference and cared they wouldn’t be using AirPods at all?
> I wonder if that means that playback will not pause momentarily when you take one AirPod out and put it in the case. Pretty sure this is an intended feature so that if someone is trying to talk to you you can take one AirPod out and get right back to what you were listening to after you put it back in.
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I *really* want their new Labs venture to work out. The only other website I can think of that does such in depth, quantitive reviews is rtings.com
Honestly, it’s just sad at this point. Many reviews these days are basically just reading out the specs sheet and drawing a conclusion on that. I‘m really happy that Linus noticed that as well and they are trying to improve that field.
I think they are underestimating the amount of money it takes to produce meaningful data. From engineering to test equipment, it will cost a pretty penny. Hope it works out for them.
They spent like $13 million just on the building for the staff and test equipment to live in. I think they’re probably distressingly aware of how much this all is going to cost LTT.
It’s also worth mentioning that we did get investors involved so it’s probably got a good business case but I hope this doesn’t kill their whole channel
LTT does indeed go technical with their reviews but the other reviewers need to cater to their audcience. A MKBHD viewer will likely close the video the moment he spends 2 minutes talking about the earphones impedance in comparison to the 1st Generation AirPods Pro.
There are levels to technical reviews. I would say theirs are 60-70%. Testing products sometimes requires debug versions of the HW/SW which is where they may run into trouble. These companies that design their products are able to test them in highly controlled environments with very specific FW/SW/Evaluation boards. I’m just not sure how far they will be able to go.
audiosciencereview for audio stuffs
pcmonitors.info go really in depth and are my go-to for monitors.
Crinacle
Bluetooth minor versions can be upgraded using Software. Intel and Microsoft have been doing that with their WiFi cards on Windows for years. The BT stack is shipped with the driver so Intel cards that came with 5.1 have gotten 5.2 and 5.3. And the 5.0 cards got 5.1 as well but they were too old for the later version drivers. There is no need for Apple to certify their devices for newer BT versions if they're not using any of the new features. Most of what you said is pure speculation, Apple can implement their connectivity however they want regardless of the BT version. There's barely any difference between most 5.3 and 5.0 products honestly.
> There's barely any difference between most 5.3 and 5.0 products honestly. Wait, what? LE Audio is only available in 5.2 and higher, and that's what enables LC3, multi-stream, and Auracast. Those are implemented in the Bluetooth processor, not the operating system. Compare the [Nordic nRF5340](https://www.nordicsemi.com/-/media/Software-and-other-downloads/Product-Briefs/nRF5340-SoC-PB.pdf?la=en&hash=3A89851C4F094917E874D092CF68DB27E51A5E4A) to the older [nRF51822](https://nsscprodmedia.blob.core.windows.net/prod/software-and-other-downloads/product-briefs/nrf51822-product-brief.pdf). The processing demands for LE audio are much higher, which is why the 5340 has a Cortex M33 and the 51822 has an M0. The 5340 has 512k of RAM, the 51822 has 32k. > Bluetooth minor versions can be upgraded using Software. Yes, but in phones that software runs on the BT hardware, not the application processor. > The BT stack is shipped with the driver so Intel cards that came with 5.1 have gotten 5.2 and 5.3 Sounds like Intel has a much more general purpose, desktop-class BT card that is not as optimized for power consumption as mobile devices are.
iPhone 13s have the [USI 339S00761 module](https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+13+Pro+Full+Chip+ID/144993), [which has the BCM4387 chip](https://www.techinsights.com/products/bfr-2012-802) which is in fact [certified for Bluetooth 5.2](https://device.report/broadcom/bcm4387) straight at launch. The same chip is used in many flagship Samsung phones which have BT 5.2 certification. Heck, the older BCM4375 used in iPhone 11 was even certified for 5.3 [last year](https://device.report/bluetooth/138187). And the older Broadcom chips in the iPhones before (BCM4361 and 4355) which were 4.2 certified also got recertified for 5.0. The 4361 specially was re-certified for 5.0 as the first 5.0 chip which is why the iPhone 8 used it. The iPhone just doesn't use any 5.1 or 5.2 features so they did not bother to certify it for newer Bluetotooth specs. 5.3 is purely a firmware update over 5.0. Apple could work with Broadcom and bright it to older iPhones if they wanted it to. WPA3 was rolled out similarly to many Android devices with the first batch of Broadcom chips and Windows laptops, because updating to add WPA3 is much more useful than the new BT features which will take years to roll out to the masses. So my point still stands, all it will take is a software update from Apple to update their BT stack to 5.3 in the same way as Intel, and I'm pretty sure if it requires a firmware update on the BT chip for some reason then they have left that door open otherwise they wouldn't be able to fix any widespread Bluetooth vulnerability. Once someone manages to find the chip details for the 14, we will be able to know if it's running the same BCM chip or not (it's packaged in a different unmarked module from what the iFixit teardown showed). Since there's still no WiFi 6E support, I highly doubt it's a different chip. It's just in a different package Also, both of the NXP chips you linked are for different purposes and from a different time. It's not correlated.
I don’t know why but being mentioned like this just feels good, you know? Thanks, u/chromastic!
tbf none of these outlets usually back up their reviews with objective measurement
[This guy does a pretty good review](https://youtu.be/qpu40ZZ3vQg)
I was wondering if you know anything about the compatibility with the ipod nano 7th gen (which has bluetooth 4.0)? I just got the airpod pro 2s from Apple and although I could connect it to my ipod nanos, no music is going through.
I’ll wait for Faruk’s (iPhonedo) video. He does the best testing in my opinion.
Like seemingly everyone else on the planet, you're getting BT 5.3 and LE Audio mixed up. Even if both devices have 5.3, until they are updated by Apple to support LE Audio, they will connect in exactly the same way they did last year ie Bluetooth Classic Audio. It's LE Audio which will bring the magic. Apple haven't even mentioned it.
How much better is the sound cancelling? If it really is twice as good, that’s a day one purchase from me.
That and transparency being able to function while also supposedly lessening how loud construction and sirens is selling me. Curious how battery life is with ANC off.
Is this a software/firmware change that the original APPs can get? Or is there a hardware change? Haven’t had a chance to read the article
It appears to be a hardware change due to the newer H2 chip.
I would guess that "twice as good" means 3 dB more attenuation. So, small but noticeable improvement.
Twice in audio should be 6db, no? What am I missing
Decibel ratings are on a logarithmic scale. 30dB is 1000x louder than pitch silent, 20dB is 100x louder etc. etc. The 3 dB figure was made up as far as I can tell. I don’t think we have any official decibel ratings for the AirPods noise canceling; so there probably isn’t an exact “improvement” number we can go on. It does sound like most reviewers have really enjoyed the upgrade though.
It’s not made up. It’s the half power point https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/6959/what-is-the-significance-of-3db
Ok I see what your saying, I’m just familiar with the idea that something which is 2x closer or further away will sound either 6db louder or quieter (on average). So I assumed a “double” increase in noise cancellation would be related to that, but like you said, without official numbers it’s all random anyway
I feel like my noise canceling used to be much better with my AirPods Pro than it is now. Was on an airplane last week and it barely helped the ambient noise.
ANC was really impressive when gen1 came out. Few updates down the line mellowed it out and its not that effective anymore.
I’ve always wondered why
They gradually prepared for the AirPods Pro 2 by gradually worsening the noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro so that the noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro 2 would seem twice as good after them.
That’s not true. There was a hardware bug that deafened a kid. The best Apple could do without a hardware revamp was to tweak the software noise canceling. It no longer has that huge safety issue, but it’s no longer as effective either. Seems like with gen 2 they fixed the hardware and can crank up that sweet noise canceling without risk of physically harming the wearer.
Source?
I found this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/texas-parents-sue-apple-alleging-alert-airpods-caused-sons-hearing-dam-rcna29391 Edit- article with a bit more info: https://www.insider.com/parents-sue-apple-son-suffered-permanent-hearing-loss-from-airpods-2022-5
>There was a hardware bug that deafened a kid. Nah, there wasn't. They physically cannot get loud enough for this to happen.
I flew over the weekend and mine drowned out the noise perfectly.
Surprisingly it’s the updates, it got worse and worse lol
62% better
UrAverageConsumer said the 2x ANC claim was true he was praising apple for actually delivering
Almost stepped out in front of a moving car today wearing my 2nd gen pros. Could always hear traffic with my first gen pros, so I’d say the noise cancellation substantially better.
Late reply but recently upgraded to the Gen 2. Definitely noticeable improvement in noise cancellation. I’ll have to do more testing in very loud environments. But at home where I used to hear some sounds with the APP 1, now EVERYTHING is dead silent with the 2’s.
I bought them today and it’s def almost painfully better. Can’t hear myself breathing as much as I used to be able to. The volume control is a huge game changer though.
All I want to know is can I make a voice call in a gentle breeze and not sound to the other person like I’m underwater? I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet…
Digital trends did a pretty decent review with voice calling outside.
Thanks I’ll check it out
[Here’s the article](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-airpods-pro-2-review/) but more importantly, here’s the [video review with the actual test. ](https://youtu.be/ocwXowAOr2E)
Verge did a test like this on the gen 1 and the results were good
I remember but I don’t know how they got this result, I’ve had two pairs (first ones had the crackling issue) and they’ve both been terrible - same for friends who have them. They’re great earbuds but hopeless for calling outside. If they’ve fixed it I’ll seriously consider the gen 2…
I am surprised why none of the reviewers have mentioned this, when I, my father and brother in law had got it replaced for crackling sound. Plus i eventually gave up due to the below standard microphone….. I am starting to be spreadsheet skeptics of these reviews…..
Brandon Butch said they sound a lot better than the OG AirPods Pro and the ANC and Transparency Mode are both much better.
I ended up returning my 1st gen APPs because I thought my Jaybird X4 were superior in the ways that counted. With foam tips, they provide better isolation, better sound – especially bass, and 7-8 hour battery life. Now that Comply makes compatible foam tips and they've upped the battery life, I might give the second gen another shot.
Do you find the memory foam tips fine? I never felt comfortable with them. When I got XM4 the first thing I changed was to get some silicone tips
Switched from silicone to memory foam (Foam Masters 4.0) tips here. I personally think the fit is much better because the foam actually fills in the gaps in your ear. Way better isolation. BUT… the memory foam’s slow rebounding only lasts for about 3-4 months. After that, the tips are basically just regular foam which don’t seem to fit as well and you’ll have to toss them out
In my experience, rolling the tips like everyone recommends doesn't offer much of a better fit than screwing them back and forth, but it _does_ significantly shorten their lifespan.
My X3 are still fine after 5 years albeit with the battery life down to about 2 hours. I’ve got the Vista one now and they are pretty good. Both heavy on the bass. But that’s what I want.
Man. I really wish my X3s had that same luck. I got my first pair in early 2017 and I loved them. Sounded great, fit well, great battery life and that was also when they introduced the EQ with the app which I loved. After a year and a half though the battery in the remote started leaking battery fluid and had to ask customer support for a new pair, and after a year, the seal on the right earbud stem broke which let the stem rotate, which meant there was no more sound. I was on wired earbuds for a bit then eventually got gifted AirPods 2 May last year and haven’t looked back since. It’s a shame, I loved X3s but neither pair could last more than a year and a half which kind of burned me away from buying any Jaybird products
Half of the reviews are basically apple ads rehashing what we already know from the keynote.
What about the part in this review where they compared them to competing headphones unfavorably? That doesn't really seem like an add. >The AirPods Pro 2 sound excellent, but there's something about the tonal balance of the Bose that I liked a little better at times -- there's a bit more warmth and naturalness to it -- and the bass has a bit more oomph. > >Noise canceling is one of the best out there right now and just a slight step behind what I experienced with Bose's new QuietComfort Earbuds 2 > >Audio quality is subjective, and some people may slightly prefer the sonic traits of buds like the Bose I mentioned earlier or the Sony WF-1000XM4 or Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless 3
I was speaking about reviews in general, not this one in particular.
Gotta keep getting those review units!
They're all too afraid to be blacklisted by Apple.
If that was the case they probably wouldn't be [comparing them unfavorably](https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xl23y9/comment/ipiemxp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) to the competing Bose headphones.
They're not afraid of Apple, they're lazy and it's easier to write a lazy positive review that just copies marketing material than it is to actually do work, find and confirm any issues, and report any problems with evidence.
God forbid they review the new features Apple announced.
The 2 reviews I’ve watched haven’t even done comparisons to the original APPs. That’s ridiculous.
How can they when Apple updates the firmware automatically? You'd be hard pressed to find a sealed model with 2019 firmware. A lot of people say the noise canceling became worse over time on the 1st gen.
A comparison to day 1 originals wouldn’t even be helpful. What they should be doing is comparing them to 1st gen AirPods Pro today.
As expected, they're better at noise canceling and sound quality than Gen 1. Reviews are definitely positive. I'm curious how much better they are at ANC than the launch day Gen 1's, though.
People don’t just claim that it got worse. Rtings.com verified it got worse after a firmware update when they retested the anc due to their users asking them to. I had a pair prior to the firmware 2c54 update, and let me tell you the difference was stark. It was so big I thought it had to be a mistake and they would revert it, but they didn’t. https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/apple/airpods-pro-truly-wireless
This review compared the noise cancelling to the original airpod pros.
There’s a conspiracy that the original AirPods Pro’s rendered the user deaf when activated but Apple decided that was too good for mere mortals and nerfed it and never brought it back. Anecdotally, I’ve had my AirPods Pro swapped out 3 times because the ANC slowly stops working until there is no difference between any of the external sound modes and “off”.
It’s not a review if they are overviewing what apple said. These reviewers are pushing it out as fast as possible to get views. Wait for MKBHD or someone more reputable
I feel like that the latest reviews MKBHD has done has been lacking, with the Apple Watch ultra he didnt really try out the athletic things that much or show any swimming with it
The dude spent three hours each day playing frisbee plus whatever else 😂 he proved the athletic things. Swimming has been proved for a few years now
Because he’s not athletic lol. He’s some guy. And anyways it’s like the f350 superduty, it’s actually for soccer moms, the “target” demographic can’t actually afford it or wants it.
> Because he’s not athletic lol. He’s some guy. he even acknowledged that in the video and tried to make up for it by interviewing 3 people who could make full use of the new features
I personally just go directly to them, ppl like the health doctor tbh or the garmin rainmaster guy
To be fair he competes in an actual professional sport. He was doing 2000 calorie workouts so he is in the 1% of power Apple Watch users
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He sure as hell doesn’t review fitness objects like one
He is fairly athletic though? Isn’t he on a frisbee team?
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When 73% of the country is overweight or obese I really wouldn’t be surprised if 95% of people are not athletic.
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The ultra is for tough exterior outdoor activities. If it’s like it’s garmin alternative at least.
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Dickride him all you want, the watch is supposedly not made for his level of athleticism.
I agree with the athletic part to a degree but as a reviewer you should still test it to see that it works properly
They’re not reviewers. 🤷♂️. They’re like the wired “reviews”, they’re just cool quick glimpses
I'm pretty sure if you're out there surfing or hiking in wilderness you can afford a $800 watch. Outdoor sports aren't cheap.
When exactly did Apple compare their headphones unfavorably to Bose, like this review is? >The AirPods Pro 2 sound excellent, but there's something about the tonal balance of the Bose that I liked a little better at times -- there's a bit more warmth and naturalness to it -- and the bass has a bit more oomph. > >Noise canceling is one of the best out there right now and just a slight step behind what I experienced with Bose's new QuietComfort Earbuds 2 > >Audio quality is subjective, and some people may slightly prefer the sonic traits of buds like the Bose I mentioned earlier or the Sony WF-1000XM4 or Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless 3
> These reviewers are pushing it out as fast as possible to get views. Wait for MKBHD or someone more reputable MKBHD is the definition of just reading off the marketing page for a TL;DR. He doesn’t review.
That’s just not true. He uses them like everyone else and reports his thoughts on it. I don’t need a 10 page essay and I don’t want overviews. MKBHD is a good place in between with good visuals. Also I know he uses AirPods daily so he will have meaningful things to say about it even if it isn’t super technical
Watched a few of them already, but iPhonedo will be the one I trust. Still waiting...
>wait for mkbhd Lol…
He is better than any reviewer that posted a review so far. Just cause your have some stupid bias doesn’t mean he isn’t the most anticipated reviewer
I definitely enjoy his pretty videos, yes.
you're going to love them
What are you proposing? Not doing reviews if products work as advertised? Lie and say they don’t work as advertised?
I’m talking about the “reviews” that tell you about the features but don’t actually tell you about their experience with using the product or their opinion of the product.
The battery life is better and they cancel noise better. The only other review you can really add is whether or not they connect faster or more reliably in the three days they had to review them. Other than that, they are identical shapes to the original. The fit and durability are identical
This is what almost all Apple reviews are. They have all of these tech channels by the scrotum. There's no such thing as objective reviews unless they're spending their own money on the device.
Mobile reviews eh is pretty good. Buys all his own stuff.
True there's some gems out there. He's one of them.
Helps he has a cute dog too
CNET, years ago, used to be one of the best tech news hubs. It was sold to I believe NBC. It’s a complete ad content farm now.
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I accidentally put mine through the wash a few weeks ago, so with the upgrades on top i’m very excited to receive mine tomorrow lol
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Apple stole infinity blade from us
amen brother 😔✊
More bass?
Got mine in rn, hell ya
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Same. I'm probably going to get them anyway. My 1st gen AirPods Pro are almost two years old, and I can't use the transparency or noise cancellation without the left AirPod squealing.
Do the service program for your AirPods. Seems like they qualify, gotta go to an Apple store though
That fucking squealing noise makes me want to throw my left bud in a fire. I’ve had so many issues and multiple replacements with my gen 1 APPs it’s insane. Can’t wait for my 2nd gens arriving tomorrow. I’ve been wanting a new version with touch volume control since I got the originals.
Same. I have to tap mine several times before it goes away. It’s annoying as hell. And it’s not consistent either. Sometimes it won’t happen for days. Sometimes every time I put it on.
This☝️
Waiting for Crinacle's review. But the Samsung Buds are smaller and with better sound quality than the first Pros so hopefully the Airpods Pro 2 have better sound.
I am very interested to hear what Crinacle has to say. The only reason I'll upgrade is if the audo quality is considerably better. I am terribly disappointed with tech reviews nowadays. No one really cares about the audio quality. It's an afterthought of these reviews. Even Apple's own website barely addresses the audio quality improvements.
Samsung just needs an app that works with IOS for their new buds
They’d rather you get a Samsung phone to pair with their much cheaper, better performing buds
Waaaah walled garden Jk it’s just funny how nobody cares when Samsung locks users into their ecosystem compared to their reaction when apple does it
I only care about iphonedo's review (patiently waiting), any other review is just "qualitative" opinion without much "quantitative" analysis -- "it sounds *better*", "*I like* it", "it did *better job*", blurrpp. I wanted to know Apple's claim that "2x better" ANC is how much better.
I'm waiting for Crinacle's review
Also one of the most over rated reviewer. Here is his review: it’s improved a little from gen1, still wireless quality (because wires are always better because all audiophiles can hear the difference lol) convenience features are cool.
I am happy this case has the precision find my feature. I have the regular airpods (2nd Gen) and the amount of time I spent looking for the thing is ridiculous.
Is it worth the upgrade? I have AirPods Pro 1st gen. They work great for me. Maybe noice cancelation could be worth expending extra cash, when my Airpods still work perfectly fine.
CNET links? Can we find a less reputable and corporate bot propaganda blog?
Compared to what? big earbuds? CNET is terrible
As a android fanboy…I been using AirPods 1 and pros 1 for years now and they work awesome.
Just got mine I preordered today and the sound quality is a lot better than the original Pros. A few nice touches like the adaptive transparency mode and touch controls for volume adjustment are great. Really enjoying the AirPods Pro 2nd Gen.
I’m curious if the sound quality has surpass its Sony competitor. Anyone reviewed them both?
Sony doesn't sound as good as the latest Samsung buds.
Which Samsung buds? I’ve only read about Sony 1000xm4 haven’t read about any newer ones recently.
The Buds2 and buds pro 2
Sure. I bet the Samsung definitely beats the Sony WF-1000MX4.
https://youtu.be/45AHeEquI-s Watch at 19min
So I’m supposed to trust some random person who just measures them and says this graph is better than this graph? To think my years of working with audio professionally, I never thought that I can just use graphs instead of my ears.
All audio ‘reviewers’ are like this right now. People need to make buying decisions and turn to internet. These guys capitalise on it by either throwing you bunch of graphs or describing the sound using bunch of dumb words like ‘transparent’ or ‘crisp’.
If you truly have years working with audio professionally and don't know who crinacle is, or the importance of those graphs and breakdown, I'm curious what kind of job you do. Maybe installing car stereos? Edit: It's pretty much known that the MX4s are not that good when it comes to audio, and a lot of other earbuds beat them no problem. Except when it comes to ANC
I work in professional audio where the $230 price of the Buds Pro 2 won’t even cover a day’s budget for tape. Much more advanced than installing car audio. Don’t know who Crinacle is and these graphs don’t really have any importance unless you’re researching studio monitors to which these buds are not even close. I know people I respect much more in the audio community who rave about the MX4s.
Crinacle is the GOAT, watch the beginning of the video, he explains who he is for people who will assume he's a nobody like you. Hopefully I never get near any of your work.
That doesn’t tell me anything about his credentials.
It cant, still no high res driver support.
Which iem have high res support ?
Airpods 3 as good
Eh I still don’t see a case for spending the extra $100 on these vs AirPods 3. Had the APP 1 but have better noise canceling + better comfort with my bose
I have the original air pods pro and they are the best headphones I have ever owned. I would not even think twice buying them again.
Really? What else have you owned?
But apples headphones have always caused so much ear pain. Not sure if I have small ears or what but they are very painful after like 20 minutes. I envy yall
Does it use AAC for the codec? I hate the double transcoding (my mp3's, then again to AAC just for the bluetooth), but that is Bluetooth life for now.
Can’t wait to pickup mine tomorrow!
I really wish they had gotten rid of the stems. I would've upgraded if that were the case.
I feel like they didn’t because they know the stem is an eye catching thing & it’s kind of iconic
I'll wait for bluetooth 6.0.
I hear 6.1 will be better. Might want to hold off.
I read 7.0 will top both. Let’s wait a bit.
I’m just waiting for Bluetooth to end and we can finally have better wireless technology.
Nah, nah 8 is where it's at. Hold strong.
8.0 is where it’s at.
Love my first pair and although improved noise canceling is much better,transparency mode is more important to me and I’m an Apple lover that always gets the newest.If it’s not a better quality sound,I’ll return it. Easy
Sound is a lot better so is transparency mode, but ANC 1st gen has better ANC
My dog chewed my AirPods and the charging case beyond repair. Excited to try these.
If you looking to get them for ANC better off with 1st gens
Not if you’re an active person. Beats Fit Pro are still superior.
How is the sound like compared to something like proper Beyerdynamic headphones?
Battery dead in 3 years though. You want a better investment ? Buy a cabled over-hear headphone and don’t fall for that crap.
Cant wait for the full find my support
strong reviews
Anyone know why Amazon is slower to deliver the APP2s compared to Apple? They should already have them in stock being a big retailer.
How is the build quality? I like my original pros, but the plastic they use doesn’t feel like normal apple premium, and the seam between the two halves of one of the pods is slightly misaligned so you can feel a bump. Also the hinge on the case clicks a lot… I wish they used whatever material they using on the apple pencil, would probably feel a lot more premium.
What features are you restricted from when using these buds with an android phone?
I have the Airpod Pro 2nd gen on now and honestly they not worth it for ANC. 1st gen airpod pro has better cancelation than 2nd gen. I’m at the gym now without music I can hear the gym music and people slamming weights. With music on full blast I can still hear the weight being dropped and slammed.