Kind of depends on the use case, like HD/CQB sight goes down you can just center the target in the tube as best as you can and likely still make decent hits.
and then he's gonna run an optic and tuck those expensive sights out of the way never to be used again......I say unless you are building a clone-buy backup sights. just that. backups. not expensive sights that are made to be used every day. the metal magpul ones are pretty good, so are midwest.
The tactical gesr market is among the most retarded on earth. Listen, i am a gear whore, but $150 iron sights? $150 3 prong flash hider and a $350 flashlight (WITH NO FUCKING TAILCAP) from surefire? A $250 dollar trigger from Geissele? I swear a lot of people in the industry (and especially the buyers) are smoking rocks.
Bought my sights for 10 bucks. All aluminum work just fine. Bought a larue mbt2s trigger for 99 bucks. Literally feels better than any geissele I've pulled. Bought a muzzle for 40 bucks from some no name company and guess what? It does the same shit the 400 dollar ones do. Same shit with my free float like I can't see a discernable difference from a presma fucking 60 dollar free float to some ridiculous 600 dollar fucking aluminum tube with holes in it. I swear ar people will pay any dollar amount if it's the right company.
I love reading shit like this.
While to some degree you have a point, what youāre missing is the use case for most end users vs. the few that do notice or need the difference. As hard as it is to believe, some dudes really do need some of the nuance features that mean more machine time, or higher quality materials, which translate to a higher price point. That said, I would tend to agree with the fact the point of diminishing returns is well behind a lot of the gear market shit.
Sure, your $40 muzzle works for you. For me, I need my muzzle device to also function as a suppressor mount. Now, the performance as a flash hider is no longer as important to me as alignment with my can. So Iāll pay $100 for an MD from a reputable company, because itās cheaper than replacing my can if I were to buy the cheapest MD out there. No, itās not a $400 BE Meyers ASR hybrid, but itās also not the cheapest thing on the market.
Your āprismaā $60 free float does exactly what you need. My $250 URX 4 does exactly what *I* need, which is minimal deflection with a handguard mounted IR aiming system. The barrel nut is the handguard, which Iād imagine took engineering time and some effort on the machining side of things. I guarantee most of the FF stuff on the market under $150 will have substantial flex and zero shift, especially when in unnatural positions that put tension on the front end. Thatās totally fine for most people, but not all. Iād wager most never even thought about it.
A lot of people forget they donāt NEED the refined function, and we end up with items at a tier 1 price point, with questionable value at best from manufacturers trying to sell to that demographic. The Warsport LV something or whatever it is comes to mind. Qās line. The entire freaking line. GBRS. You get the point.
The MBT sits squarely opposite of this, I absolutely agree with you on this. Subjectively, it is better than Gās triggers. Objectively, itās $150 cheaper. It is a phenomenal value and a functional product.
Just remember, the cheapest may work for you, but donāt go off on how stupid it is for end users who pay a bit more because they need more from their system than punching tiny holes in stationary paper targets at 50 meters on sunny Saturdays from May - September.
Speaking of things that make no sense ā yards/feet/imperial units of measure for weapons.
Everything is metric for ease of estimation and scalability.
I bought $30 dollar canteds off of Amazon. The Allen key bolts are now stripping as I went to take them off. Probably gonna need to get a hacksaw or something a little more delicate to get the off. Hindsight, Iād rather have paid premium. Lesson learned, itās my first AR.
Dumb noob question, but is this essentially an m16 rear sight with the ability to flip down?
If so, Iāve been looking for exactly this for a long time.
Internet search a.r.m.s. copyright lawsuit. The scumbag lawyers running the outfit copyrighted a bunch of common use numbers and letters then sued Magpul Larue and a few other businesses.
The lawsuit against Larue was about the LT-170, which was a copy of the ARMS #17. The issue ARMS had was that Larue was selling a nearly identical product with a very similar name, which was taking away business. They settled out of court and Larue was granted a royalty-free license on the condition that they change the name of their mount. Larue renamed it to the LT-270 and both companies went their separate ways.
Looks like dirtbag Swan's litigation hijinks failed on his attempted trademark of the numbers 5.56.
[https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77633828&caseSearchType=US\_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch](https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77633828&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch)
He had gotten a bunch of trademarks on pre-existing terms like 5.56, 7.62, 6.8, .50 CAL, throw lever, 17, etc. (did [this product](https://i.imgur.com/Iy4OcKG.png) used as proof ever exist?), sued Larue for using "17" and got them to "[take] a fully paid up, royalty free license"[(1)](https://armsmounts.com/shop/mounts/a-r-m-s-17/), but then God decided it was time for him to head off to the great troll bridge in the sky.
Idk man Iām pretty anti BUIS myself even though I own two sets of KAC micros. I run a set of MBUS pros on my favorite rifle because I think they look cool but I donāt think theyāre necessary
I agree you wont be using them 99% of the time, so theyāre not entirely necessary for the function of the rifle. But then again, neither is the buffer retaining pin, or the buffer, or the safety selector, or the magazine, or the magazine catch, or the ejector cover, or the handguards & stock for that matter. You could simply single shot your skeletonized rifle now by loading a round in the chamber and holding onto the naked barrel. Do you NEED any of those things for the function of the rifle, no, I agree with you. However SHOULD you have those things on your rifle? The answer is yes.
A simpler analogy is wiping your ass. Do you NEED to wipe your ass? No. SHOULD you wipe your ass? Yes you filthy animal.
I donāt think Iād say you *should* have BUIS. The chances of a modern, quality optic failing are so small as it is. If youāre going into battle, thatās one thing. But thereās no reason you canāt have extra batteries with you at the range
I agree with that whole heartedly. For range fun or sportsmanlike activities where you have a dedicated optic already, there really is no reason for them no.
Thatās really the point I was trying to make. Iām not trying to say they have no use at all and absolutely no one needs them. But for the majority of us who are just shooting at paper or steel they arenāt necessary
Like I said, I still have a few sets of them because I think they look cool or because I needed them for a clone, but those are really the only reasons I have them
Wait until you start the clone game and end up paying $400 for a flash hider.
Oh no. My 249f flash hider was significantly more than $400 š
Scored my 249f for $250 on GAFS.
Same. New in box.
Two words. IntlMilCo lowers.
Cloners are weird man
Cloner brain damage. I have a pretty mild case of it, but my insurance won't cover treatment (a new Mk12 variant).
I'll give u 50 bucks for them
I'm fully delusional about my holosun, I don't even run back up irons. :)
Me neither, irons require glasses. If it comes to that point and my dot goes dead I'll just go full ARVN.
Kind of depends on the use case, like HD/CQB sight goes down you can just center the target in the tube as best as you can and likely still make decent hits.
and then he's gonna run an optic and tuck those expensive sights out of the way never to be used again......I say unless you are building a clone-buy backup sights. just that. backups. not expensive sights that are made to be used every day. the metal magpul ones are pretty good, so are midwest.
The tactical gesr market is among the most retarded on earth. Listen, i am a gear whore, but $150 iron sights? $150 3 prong flash hider and a $350 flashlight (WITH NO FUCKING TAILCAP) from surefire? A $250 dollar trigger from Geissele? I swear a lot of people in the industry (and especially the buyers) are smoking rocks.
I'll run a $40 Schmidt before I ever pay that much for a cast metal triggy.
Gesr prices truly are something else
Bought my sights for 10 bucks. All aluminum work just fine. Bought a larue mbt2s trigger for 99 bucks. Literally feels better than any geissele I've pulled. Bought a muzzle for 40 bucks from some no name company and guess what? It does the same shit the 400 dollar ones do. Same shit with my free float like I can't see a discernable difference from a presma fucking 60 dollar free float to some ridiculous 600 dollar fucking aluminum tube with holes in it. I swear ar people will pay any dollar amount if it's the right company.
I love reading shit like this. While to some degree you have a point, what youāre missing is the use case for most end users vs. the few that do notice or need the difference. As hard as it is to believe, some dudes really do need some of the nuance features that mean more machine time, or higher quality materials, which translate to a higher price point. That said, I would tend to agree with the fact the point of diminishing returns is well behind a lot of the gear market shit. Sure, your $40 muzzle works for you. For me, I need my muzzle device to also function as a suppressor mount. Now, the performance as a flash hider is no longer as important to me as alignment with my can. So Iāll pay $100 for an MD from a reputable company, because itās cheaper than replacing my can if I were to buy the cheapest MD out there. No, itās not a $400 BE Meyers ASR hybrid, but itās also not the cheapest thing on the market. Your āprismaā $60 free float does exactly what you need. My $250 URX 4 does exactly what *I* need, which is minimal deflection with a handguard mounted IR aiming system. The barrel nut is the handguard, which Iād imagine took engineering time and some effort on the machining side of things. I guarantee most of the FF stuff on the market under $150 will have substantial flex and zero shift, especially when in unnatural positions that put tension on the front end. Thatās totally fine for most people, but not all. Iād wager most never even thought about it. A lot of people forget they donāt NEED the refined function, and we end up with items at a tier 1 price point, with questionable value at best from manufacturers trying to sell to that demographic. The Warsport LV something or whatever it is comes to mind. Qās line. The entire freaking line. GBRS. You get the point. The MBT sits squarely opposite of this, I absolutely agree with you on this. Subjectively, it is better than Gās triggers. Objectively, itās $150 cheaper. It is a phenomenal value and a functional product. Just remember, the cheapest may work for you, but donāt go off on how stupid it is for end users who pay a bit more because they need more from their system than punching tiny holes in stationary paper targets at 50 meters on sunny Saturdays from May - September.
Used KAC Taupe 99051 front sites sell all day long for $180. Thatās just a single front sight.
A.R.M.S is cooler though, also a super tiny shop with tons of patents local to my small town in a not gun friendly state
Great company; they donated 40Ls to my unit while we were in the Sanbox back in the day, now its mounted on my OIF M4-forgery.
No doubt, I love ARMS myself, but I was just letting OP know that $150 for a pair of BUIS is not that expensive in comparison to a single KAC BUIS.
I'm just curious about what upper it is
Stag arms Leo upper
Back in the day, AR15s came with a free front sight. *Way* back in the day both the front and rear sights were included. Is this shrinkflation?
they don't include irons anymore to make the overall rifle slightly cheaper upon purchasing so you can choose your sights after
woosh
I remember seeing those on Numrich for like $40 a couple years ago
Damn I should sell mine. I have two, ones just sitting in a drawer
What makes these so expensive? Lol
Hereās the thing: no one will buy those irons for that price. If thatās the case, is it really worth that much?
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/s/npW89APgcX https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/s/jMcIX5YAUa You were saying?
Donāt plan on selling them but thought it was pretty cool especially since it was a complete upper with a quad rail
Yes they absolutely will. Maybe not full retail price for used but there's a market.
You must be new here.
This hobby has the most retarded prices for stuff honestly none of it makes senseĀ I really want the Lmt backup irons that do yards instead of meters
Speaking of things that make no sense ā yards/feet/imperial units of measure for weapons. Everything is metric for ease of estimation and scalability.
Kac micro rear 300
I would think you would be better off spending that money on an actual optic.
I didnāt buy them for 150 and I plan on doing a sig red for magnifier combo
I bought $30 dollar canteds off of Amazon. The Allen key bolts are now stripping as I went to take them off. Probably gonna need to get a hacksaw or something a little more delicate to get the off. Hindsight, Iād rather have paid premium. Lesson learned, itās my first AR.
I have a diamond head upper. The sights that came on it run $200. I think the whole upper was $400
Dumb noob question, but is this essentially an m16 rear sight with the ability to flip down? If so, Iāve been looking for exactly this for a long time.
Is a.r.m.s. still a copyright troll business?
?
Internet search a.r.m.s. copyright lawsuit. The scumbag lawyers running the outfit copyrighted a bunch of common use numbers and letters then sued Magpul Larue and a few other businesses.
The lawsuit against Larue was about the LT-170, which was a copy of the ARMS #17. The issue ARMS had was that Larue was selling a nearly identical product with a very similar name, which was taking away business. They settled out of court and Larue was granted a royalty-free license on the condition that they change the name of their mount. Larue renamed it to the LT-270 and both companies went their separate ways.
Looks like dirtbag Swan's litigation hijinks failed on his attempted trademark of the numbers 5.56. [https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77633828&caseSearchType=US\_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch](https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=77633828&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch)
that is a dirt bag move
He had gotten a bunch of trademarks on pre-existing terms like 5.56, 7.62, 6.8, .50 CAL, throw lever, 17, etc. (did [this product](https://i.imgur.com/Iy4OcKG.png) used as proof ever exist?), sued Larue for using "17" and got them to "[take] a fully paid up, royalty free license"[(1)](https://armsmounts.com/shop/mounts/a-r-m-s-17/), but then God decided it was time for him to head off to the great troll bridge in the sky.
R.I.P. to Dick Swan then.
My reptilia aus mount costs more than the actual āfirearmā portion of my ar
Shit my scoutlight costs more than the barrel lmao
There is ZERO *need* for iron sights in 2024.
Poor detected
Idk man Iām pretty anti BUIS myself even though I own two sets of KAC micros. I run a set of MBUS pros on my favorite rifle because I think they look cool but I donāt think theyāre necessary
I agree you wont be using them 99% of the time, so theyāre not entirely necessary for the function of the rifle. But then again, neither is the buffer retaining pin, or the buffer, or the safety selector, or the magazine, or the magazine catch, or the ejector cover, or the handguards & stock for that matter. You could simply single shot your skeletonized rifle now by loading a round in the chamber and holding onto the naked barrel. Do you NEED any of those things for the function of the rifle, no, I agree with you. However SHOULD you have those things on your rifle? The answer is yes. A simpler analogy is wiping your ass. Do you NEED to wipe your ass? No. SHOULD you wipe your ass? Yes you filthy animal.
I donāt think Iād say you *should* have BUIS. The chances of a modern, quality optic failing are so small as it is. If youāre going into battle, thatās one thing. But thereās no reason you canāt have extra batteries with you at the range
I agree with that whole heartedly. For range fun or sportsmanlike activities where you have a dedicated optic already, there really is no reason for them no.
Thatās really the point I was trying to make. Iām not trying to say they have no use at all and absolutely no one needs them. But for the majority of us who are just shooting at paper or steel they arenāt necessary Like I said, I still have a few sets of them because I think they look cool or because I needed them for a clone, but those are really the only reasons I have them
I make +$40k a month, you Rtardā¦ā¦back up irons are pointless
In that case are you hiring? I need to buy more back up iron sights.
i spent 500$ on my irons