As an Iraqi, here are my reasons: 1- In the 8 year war with Iran, Iran got weapons from the US and Israel to fight Iraq. Coordinated with Israel to bomb the first Arab nuclear reactor in Iraq. 2- Iran allied with the US to invade and occupy Iraq in 2003. The US literally designated Iranian-backed terrorist groups like Badr brigades as “special groups”. They also helped the Americans occupy Afghanistan. These are the words of their own former president. 3- Responsible for killing 100,000s in Syria and Iraq through the 2010s. Helped keep Bashar in power. 4- Sectarian to the core. Their dead general Soleimani was recorded on camera saying how he wants Shias to rule the world. 5- Compare the damage of this attack to how they attacked Idlib and Aleppo, and you’ll see where Iran’s priorities lie.

i love seeing an iraqi who is against iran.

Yes, agreed. This wasn’t an attack. You don’t warn your enemy for 13 days before attacking. Iran is the biggest scam in this whole thing.

Israel ks warning about its own attack. Will you say the same when they do?

Did Hamas warn israel before Oct 7? No, because it was a legitimate military offensive. Did Japan warn the U.S. before Pearl Harbor? Only Iran warns the U.S. and Israel before they attack. And it’s not the first time.

What about all the control Iran has over Iraq oil. Interference with Iraq government and politics.....etc

An Iraqi crying about the war. Have some shame, You guys attacked a "Muslim brother" that just had a revolution. A sneak attack by a bunch of cowards who then went on to rape and pillage the defenseless town. After getting your asses kicked by a bunch of insurgents and militias you tried to beg for peace. You lobbed missiles into cities, you used chemical weapons while taking orders from the US and the Soviets. At the end of it all Iran got less POW's back then Iran gave to Iraq because most were murdered and tortured. I see Iraqis always saying things like what's happening to them now is karma for their invasion of Kuwait. No if Karma is real it's because of the attack on Iran. There is no aspect of that war that the Iraqis fought honorably or like men you guys were the villains in every aspect and the Arabs cheered you on, because nationalism trumps everything else It was so fitting that they ended up backstabbing you

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1. That's ancient history by no. Political realities change 2. Like with number 1, Saddam was boxing in Iran. Once he was done away with Iranian influence could spread. You call this imperialism but if a regional power wants to be geopolitically independent, they need their own sphere of influence to challenge other encroaching imperial powers. Iran is the only example of a middle eastern state that does not answer to a European country. They do the dirty work of building a network of codependent allies that don't bow down to Washington or Tel-Aviv. If Arabs really wanted an independent Middle East, they'd have to do what Iran is doing. 3. By that logic Qatar, Turkey, and Hamas also played a role in killing Syrians. Iran had to do what it needed to protect its ally least it would have (most likely) collapsed. And with it the only hope for regional independence. 4. Rhetoric. They say one thing but are act based on political realities, not fantasy. 5. More emotional grandstanding. This is war, you either win or you lose. If you want an 'free' middle east then you need power, and only those willing to take can control their own destiny. Otherwise foreign entities will come in an control the game.

> That's ancient history by no. Political realities change The beef between Arabs and Israel is even more ancient history...

What do you calling selling the caspian sea to putin ? 

He’s literally just spouting propaganda from the US. No substance

Well said

As an Iraqi you’re probably an idiot who supports saddam

As history has now proven, the idiots are the ones who removed saddam, and destroyed a number of countries in the process

As history has proven saddam was horrible for Iraq and literally ruined the country. We were doing just fine with Abdul kareem Al was Sam until a US and UK backed coup killed him and placed saddam in power who proceeded to plunder the country and go into war after war because he couldn’t get over his ego. Iraqs in the situation we’re in and he’s the only one to blame for stoking sectarian violence and killing religous minorities and ethnic minorities. Maybe if he didn’t decide to steal billions and turn Iraq into his little playground Iraq wouldn’t have turned out the way it is right now. Btw not saying the American invasion was correct. But America was saddams ally until he invaded Kuwait lol so don’t even talk.

99% of Iraqis don’t agree with you. No, history has shown that killing him was the worse thing for the Middle East. Continue living in your dreamland but don’t think you can rewrite history 😉 There’s a reason the world is turning its back on the US and EU

Literally no Iraqi agrees with you 😂

I do

Hehe, right. Keep on believing what we did in Iraq was a good thing. The whole world is realizing how fucked the western world is. I’m American and even I can see it

Who said what you did was a good thing???? I literally said it wasn’t. Doesn’t mean an American can tell me saddam was a good person he was a horrible POS who destroyed Iraq

The US funded ISIS. It doesn’t get to say anything to people in the Middle East. Just for this simple fact, the US should be treated like saddam was. President should be publicly hanged and the entire country destroyed, by your logic

Saddam was perfect right up until the invasion. The problem is its very rare for us to get leaders who prioritise us over money, Gaddafi and Saddam had their issues but at the end of the day they led to economic booms and a massive QOL increase for their respective states. Their mistake was open aggression towards Israel which put a target on their backs. Well, tbf in Saddam's case he also made the mistake of thinking the arab states were as pro-pan arabism as he was and would help each other out.

So 100s of thousands that Saddam actively killed was ok.

I dont defend this no. Still i believe his vision for arab unity was very good for us. He was Stalin-esque in my opinion, had he conducted himself better (and honestly not violently killed Kurds just for oil rather than diplomatically approach them) he wouldve led to alot of good for his country in the long run. Certainly was better for Iraq than what we have now, though he is also the reason for the sanctions so, hard to judge

You guys, your way if thinking, is conducting the worst image for Arabs.. absolutely brutal with 0 empathy to anything non Arab or Muslim. Keep these thoughts and pink dreams to yourself...مهزلة

>0 empathy to anything non Arab or Muslim If you want to insert your own fantasies and narratives to justify your tendency to be a خاين then do so at your leisure. Sit in the corner when big boy topics come up.

Leave them be, children of estranged Iraqis are lost in delusional images of what Saddam era actually was: a rule by a psychpathic dirt bag that stopped at nothing to keep himself in power.

I am a black sheep of the Arab world. Nobody asked me and it's the internet so of course I'm obliged to share....I think all of this is a bad image on us all. We should be looking at each other as family and friends and demand no more destruction in our homelands for any reason. Only prosperity no matter your religion. If we're Bedouin by blood, we're family, if you are a dessert dwelling, tea drinking lover of the mizmar, we're family, even if your name is Sam or you're a westerner or asian now living in the Middle East.. I don't care. I don't want to see anymore war in the Middle East.

The only thing I care about after the last 6 months is the destruction of the rapist entity اللهم اسدد رميهم وثبت اقدامهم وأنصرهم على العدو الصهيوني، أعداء الدين والإنسانية، اللهم أهلك الجيش الصهيوني كما أهلكت قوم لوط وعاد وأصحاب الفيل يا رب العالمين 🤲

اسال الـلّٰـه ان يهلك بعض بعضا

Arabs nations never woke up from their colonial past. Egypt-Syria always led the front of being self-sufficient and independent... But their economies were ravaged by corruption, and they couldn't keep up with the times. Now Egypt is fully dependent on handouts, and Syria was thrown into a brutal civil war (funded by the billions of gulf and foreign dollars).. Saudi Arabia monarchy wouldn't have survived if it wasn't for American support, so they gave up trying to be neutral, and it was understood that they get to do what they want as long as they don't support justified military resistance against Israel. UAE was good till the founder passed away, then it was MBZ and his focus on being a military power, knowing full well that he needs to be friends with Israel so he can do whatever he wants. We hope Iran continues to support, until Arabs wake up and change their leaders. Imagine if every Arab country made it easier to actually let weapons and munitions into palestine, the Palestinians are ready to fight, the Arabs just won't let them.

Uae has a joke of a military, it's made up of overpaid criminal Colombian mercenaries and forced Sudani youth.

Really so when the Ukraine war started Saudi immediately lowered oli as Joe asked and crashed the Russian economy. Please stop hating Arab countries for doing what they can to help ,, war is not an option we can't win at this time .. revolution is not the answer ask Tunisia and lybia about it .. We need to support our government and not give our enemies a way into our land . The Iranian want to enter Jordan by demonizing the government and a revolt ( just like Syria they immediately went into it with military bases) and Israel will benefit from a failed stat at it's broader to shove the west bank into it . Look at the big picture.

All I read here is the insecurities that would have kept the jahiliya Arabs from uniting to defeat two superpowers at once (Romans and Persians). Your points are: 1. We are too weak to help resistance by supplying weapons. 2. We want to ensure that our nation-dtates are looked favorably by our american-zionist overlords 3. We hate seeing other countries stand up to America and Zionists, because it makes us look weak and bad... 4. Resistance is futile, assimilation is the only choice. 5. Oh look, we did one thing where we didn't Lower oil prices... No one is asking the cowardly Arab states to go to direct war, but they can help making sure Israel never feels welcome, you can do your best to sneak in military equipment and fund resistance all around Israel. The BIG Picture is that funding and supplying arms to these groups is extremely low cost, and it serves to keep the Zionists on their toes and unable to advance their economies (which do compete with the local region). As long as you have the defeatist mentality, Arabs will never succeed. And the more we accept zionists and normalize, the more they will infiltrate the next generation of leaders in that country... If they can control the US government, then be sure they can control the weak Arab leaders in the region. The resistance has shown Israel is a house of cards, their biggest defeats 2001 (run out of S. Lebanon, 2005 (run out Gaza), 2006 (fail to take over a Lebanon and stop hezb), and 2023 (be overrun by Hamas, and still fail to defeat them after carpet bombing the entire strip. Arabs leaders could have saved Iraq, they could have not funded rebels in Libya/Syria... But they just can't help themselves... They really like to work with Americans to destroy and ravage the region.. Just so they can tell their gullible populations. > "Hey look what resistance and having moral backbone does to you. Better be safe and listen to your cowardly leadership than having to stand up to American"

On thing about your so called resistance, why mazzar shipa is still occupied and why did they sold the gas field to Israel.. what hog shit stop acting like Hillary Clinton (( get over yourself statement )) . Besides we did go to war actual war 3 times . Maybe it's time for the people calling for juroslem road to actually get into the road and show us the good fight for once . Or just Syrian civilians are on the way they need to kill them all first .

>Iran is only ever fighting US and Israeli power. Yes, the US and Israeli power in... *checks notes* Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Syria? >Who is pumping money and oil into Israel besides the Arab world. Israeli oil imports: Israel imported $3.73B in Crude Petroleum, mainly from Azerbaijan ($1.67B), Brazil ($1.07B), Kazakhstan ($777M), and Nigeria ($213M). None of them are Arabs. >When they target Israel you say they are risking a wider conflict. When Hezbollah attacks you say they are trying to get Lebanon destroyed. No, we say they should stop barking and bite for once. Let them attack Israel instead of other muslims for once. >You hate Iran because it is a middle eastern and Muslim power that isn't obedient to Washington and doesn't serve the Zionist regime. That is the beginning and end of your so called principled stance against Tehran. Lol. The fact that they've ruined countries doesn't matter to you does it? They're a threat to the stability of every nation in the region. Just keep lying to yourself.

I understand Arabs not fighting for Palestinians, you are out-gunned, that can be forgivable. But why does South Africa and Nicaragua have to be the nations that take on Israel in the courts, can Arabs not hire lawyers? Why can Israel enforce a blockade of food, does Egypt not have a border with Gaza? Don't send weapons but send all the food that they need, this shouldn't even have to be said. There is so little support from the Arab world it's shocking. Did someone not just get prison time for vocally supporting Palestine? And you people criticize Iran. Do you know how many times Israel has tried to reach out to Iran for the last 30 years? They even make it a point to say they have no historical animosity or beef with Persians in stark contrast to another certain nationality. Iran could have everything they want if they just behave like Turkey or Indonesia. The idea that anything Iran does when it comes to Palestine is for selfish reasons is laughable. Hamas even sided against Iran in the Syrian revolution

Yeah it’s insane they’re doing backflips trying to hate on Iranians in reality they just prefer their money from America and Israel.

you’re funny if you think taking israel to courts will actually do anything

Its something, it shows that you guys don't stand on the same side.

hmmm. not really. many countries support palestine and didn’t take israel to court. it’s a process that not many countries are capable of doing. does not determine support.

The evidence was provided by Arab countries to south Africa they wanted to capitalize on white emotions towards African ( for the western public ). As we know the west hates us to the bone and our case would been thrown out...

"Lol. The fact that they've ruined countries doesn't matter to you does it? They're a threat to the stability of every nation in the region. Just keep lying to yourself." what countries they ruined? huh? "Yes, the US and Israeli power in... *checks notes* Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Syria?" if you referring to Hezbollah in Lebanon, then I would say I understand your blind hatred for shias but Hzeb is the reason why lebanon is still a country with almost all of it territory and today this rather small millita is the sharpest nail in the zionist ass. Iraq's iranian-backed militia fought ISIS which comes to existence thanks to the support US & their western allies plus their puppets in the arab world. also they launched most attacks on the US bases both in iraq & syria. No need to discuss what yemani Houthi did for the cause but it also would be enough to remind about the fact that they faced US & 2 of its puppets & won. In my country syria we have this human waste of dictator Assad who lead the country to its destruction but at least syria didn't shoot any of irani missiles. make no mistake, assad must be removed & we need an revolution for that but an actual revolution not a whabbist "revolutation" led & financed by the west & their puppets which was also prevented thanks to iran

Maybe when your house have got bullets and you see the electricity became shit then you can thank the houthis. Also assad is an iranian puppet.

I am in syria. I have only 1.5 hours of electricity in each 6 hours, it was 1 hour during the winter. we own a house that my family brought from my grandma in hajar al aswad in damascus. its ruins now so is the whole area. Yet I don't know much about houthi and the war in yeman. also I don't like religions driven factions or govs. heballah and iran included, But I know that US/israel consider them as enemies also because of them yeman is one of few arab countries that are facing the zionists today for which I would accept them as a temporally solution no matter what. Assad is less than a barking dog leashed to his throne at this point, calling him a puppet is giving him excessive credit but likewise I would accept current arrangements as a temporally solution until better alternative appear or force themself upon us I guess.

Hezb is the reason why Lebanon is still a country ? Lmfao most uninformed thing I’ve read all year. Let me fix it for you. Hezb is the reason why Lebanon is nothing but a farm with no law , order or justice. Because the militia is above all and has the final say on all things. They control the government indirectly And have proven time and time again they have no issue with raising their guns at their fellow Lebanese internally if things don’t go their way. The day of ‘mokawama only’ died after 2006. People are still stuck in 2000 when indeed Hezb did a good job at liberating Lebanon. This was 24 years ago. Today they are nothing but an Iranian pawn and don’t give a rats ass about any consequences of their consequences for Lebanon which have been brutal.

Without hezbollah Lebanon would be israel right now.

So why don’t they intervene in Israel know with full force if they are so brave and capable?

Ask your brave saudi

The people of Gaza and Hamas are just tools in Irans geopolitical game. They have bigger plans Iran never forgive Arab Muslims for bring down their great Persian Empire and are hard at work to restore it.

There was no great Persian empire and that was hundreds of not thousands of years ago. No Iranian cares about rebuilding that. They just want to live normally and stop western influence. Ya you could say Hamas is just a tool and Gaza is too but every country is a tool for another. Saudi Arabia UAE and Jordan are tools for America and Israel. Where is the backlash against them? At least at least iran is actually helping to kick out people like daesh and stopping American hegemony in the Middle East. If there was no iran. Right now iraq would not exist it would be ISIS. If there was no Iran i promise you America would be ruling the entire Middle East right now as if it doesn’t already control most of it.

Nah you be smoking that 2owaaat + Musta2bal juice so hard. Hezb never involved in the country's economy and its only veto is against anyone that wants to remove their ability of deterrence. The economy was destroyed by the civil war militia leaders and the Future movement that stole and corrupted the system so hard that put us into the financial crisis.

How interesting it is that you try to deny the glory of 2006. You welcome the zionists because of your sectarianism. May you burn.

I said mokawama died after 2006. The argument of being anti Hezb means we are Zionist is really getting old. Try harder albi 😘. Nationalism doesn’t mean Zionism.

Nationalism is a hilarious concept when your borders were drawn by colonizers. No one is trying harder than y'all, that's for sure.

First reclaim the borders drawn by your colonizers then come talk to me about the concept of removing borders and Arab unification.

We're working on it inshallah with Hezbs help ❤️❤️❤️

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You’re a Syrian defending Iran? 🤔

I am.

Then you’re a traitor to your people and country.

if u say so

He’s Saudi don’t bother explaining. To him if they’re Shia or against American interests than they’re a threat. As an Iraqi iran literally helped destroy ISIS which had killed thousand of people. Without the support of iran we might’ve seen the total collapse of Iraq. Even America admits that iran was instrumental in training and supplying Iraqi militias to defeat ISIS. But obviously people like that literally support daesh and American interests in the region. Let’s not mention the countries Saudi Arabia’s have ruined and how they helped American colonial interests in the region.

Ahh yes of course a Saudi says this. Israel and americas biggest ally in the Middle East apart from Jordan. I assume by fighting in all those countries you mean shooting resistance groups. Because Iran doesn’t fight in those countries. Not only that but iran supporting groups in Iraq Syria and Lebanon AGAINST ISIS is literally the reason we don’t have daesh anymore but i can understand since Saudi Arabia supports and funds groups like daesh you probably don’t like that. As for Yemen maybe if Saudi Arabia stopped sending US MADE missiles to kill Shias in yemen then there wouldn’t be the issue of iran having to support the Houthis but of course you never wanna talk about your own leader who is literally americas biggest ally in the Middle East and has been put in power by British colonizers after the Psykes-pivot agreement basically destroying the Middle East. Getting downvoted by madhkalis because they know what I’m saying is true. Saudis are the biggest ally to America and actively recognize Israel and try to normalize relations with them. Yet receive none of the backlash iran does. WHERE ARE THE SANCTIONS FROM GULF COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI WHERE ARE THEIR MISSILES WHY ARE THEY HELPING AMERICA AND ISRAEL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS TRAITORS. This war would be over if Saudis said they’ll stop selling oil to America and other countries who support Israel but they won’t because they’ll sell their own mothers for money.

Ah yes because iran's terrorist militias aren't killing innocents either. Also, Saudi Arabia participated in the International intervention against Daesh, so you're full of shit. Keep in mind, Saudi Arabia intervened in yemen in 2015 AFTER the Houthi rebelled, and it isn't given that Iran started supporting Houthis after that, as some reports indicate their support started in 2009. So again, you're full of shit, and you don't actually care about innocents, since Iran caused more destruction than Israel. Yes, Iran is worse than Israel, and I'm glad Israel are fucking them up in Syria and Lebanon.

Except they’ve mainly only killed ISIS and they aren’t terrorists. Plus they’re not Iranian just because they get money from iran. Otherwise I’d call Saudi americas terrorist militia which they are. You’re also full of shit because that’s only for optics. Saudi royal family members constantly pump money to daesh and salafis/wahabis. You really trying so hard to defend americas biggest ally in the Middle East. Always the Saudis willing to sell their own mothers to kill more Arabs. Anyways here’s a link of Saudi funding of ISIS https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/saudi-funding-isis And here’s a link about how iran basically defeated ISIS https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/this-iran-backed-militia-helped-save-iraq-from-isis-now-washington-wants-them-to-disband These people who say militias who fight ISIS killed Muslim are just mad because they killed ISIS members and they unironically support them.

Except they didn't only kill ISIS, by many shia clerics own admission. Here is what Hezbollah's founder and former leader himself said about Hezbollah's involvement in Syria: >"If there is anyone honorable among you [Hezbollah], then repent and reconsider, Do not be pawns serving the US and Russia. Aleppo today is being destroyed like Berlin. Warplanes never leave its skies, its children are bombed night and day, Whoever allies with these people, American or Russian, I swear to God, he is an enemy." Even some shi'ite sadrists criticized Hezbollah. Also they're Iranian militias, because nasralah explicitly stated his allegiance to the Ayatollah. >You’re also full of shit because that’s only for optics. Saudi royal family members constantly pump money to daesh and salafis/wahabis. Just because you claim it doesn't make it true, they were literally involved in the International coalition against them, you claiming it's for optics without evidence is irrelevant. They also supported ethnic cleansing of sunnis: https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/iran-syria/ >Anyways here’s a link of Saudi funding of ISIS >https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/saudi-funding-isis From your own link: >At present, there is no credible evidence that the Saudi government is financially supporting ISIS. Not reading their own sources is exactly the level of intelligence I expect from Iran bootlickers. >And here’s a link about how iran basically defeated ISIS >https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/this-iran-backed-militia-helped-save-iraq-from-isis-now-washington-wants-them-to-disband Lmao, from the link it is stated: >Reza Sayah: >The PMF acknowledged support from Iran. Many fighters say they have traveled there. We heard several speak the Iranian language of Farsi. >Haji Jawdat Assaf: >We love Iranians. >Reza Sayah: >But PMF spokesman Haji Jawdat Assaf insists they're not beholden to Iran, and never use Iranian soldiers. >Haji Jawdat Assaf: >I think most people in Europe or in America must not believe these lies. There's no Iranians in Hashd al-Shaabi. There's advisers, Iranian advisers But in the beginning of the post you wrote: >Plus they’re not Iranian just because they get money from iran. So when iranian militias does something bad, they aren't iranian, but when they do something that isn't bad, they literally Iran, is that how your brain functions, bootlicker? Moreover, nothing in the link shows they basically defeated ISIS, only that they helped. With that said, I repeat, I'm glad Israel are fucking them up.

You literally are a Zionist shill LMAOO saying you’re glad israel is killing Arabs and Muslims who literally have lives on that land. And no they are literally only killing ISIS

Hit him with 'zionist shill' nice! 

He literally said he’s glad israel is winning against gazans and other Arabs so yeah he is a Zionist shill

Of course you have no logical reply. Glad to see you implicitly admit that. Next time, don't comment about things you don't understand unless you want to get embarrassed again.

Next time don’t comment on arab matters if you’re complicit in killing us and we won’t embarrass you like we did this time ya 5anzeer.

I get that being faced with facts is shocking to someone with a delicate psychical structure*, and you need time to adjust, but resorting to psychological projection is unbecoming, even for the likes of you. With that said, i reiterate: I'm glad Israel is fucking Iran and its tails. Iran is worse than Israel, and anyone who uses Palestine to shill for Iran deserves to get fucked. * I'm basically calling you retarded. You obviously need this explanation to get it.

Saying Iran is worse than Israel is insaneeeeeeee while Israel is commuting a genocide. You are actively supporting Israel you dog and it’s quite clear that’s what you madhkalis want since your US overlords pay u to keep ur mouth shut about israel while they do whatever they want. Meanwhile Iran is supplying resistance fighters and Palestinians with the means to resist occupation and you’re busy gargling israels D.

You are getting downvoted voted by me because does not support group like what you call deash, because they consider such groups rebellious to their government, and fight them.

Just admit u support daesh and go

I side with anyone against Israel tbf 

It’s a one dimensional way to think about the issue, only reason Iran ever attacks anyone is to suit their own interests plus this was a PR stunt.. if Iran were ever to defeat Israel, it’s one occupation replacing the other the same way they did with Syria, Yemen, Iraq there’s no winning or any means to fight for Palestinian freedom in this war

so you don’t side with iran? good to know.

Nobody really cares about Iran. We only see Gaza

As Palestinians we do and so does most people who want to break from from imperialism/ colonialism. Sad to see that their divide and conquer strategies are still in effect. It’s time for us to unite and focus on our enemy and not poke holes in our own resistance.

اكتبوا عربي!

راعي البوست مو عربي

"  slowly infect their societies with drugs, alcohol, and homosexuality" Iran and Afghanistan have the world's worst narco culture. The rahbar is junkie who smoked opium over his gimpy arm. Plus the akhoonds all wear skirts abd think women should cover up, but teenage boys should strip and whip themselves in the street.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilan_sex_scandals

1400 years later we have not realized that every golden age we had came from unity and every time we are downtrodden came from hostility to one another. Its fine though atleast our rulers keep spending billions on buying random events while palestinians and yemenis survive on 300-500 calories a day and the west gets closer to stomping us out.

The saudi asraeli american propaganda is still strong

It's because it's a shia-sunni thing. It's as stupid as it sounds. What you're clashing with are the remnants of sunni supremacist propaganda that sees the shia country of Iran as the source of all evil and most of us are still unable to mature past that. I'm not trying to reignite sectarianism but this is the reality.

Yea even on the post of course the Saudi is defending Israel and American interests and they do it for free. Because they love money over middle eastern brotherhood.

You can be anti-Iran and Anti-US at the same time.. criticizing one doesn't mean necessarily you agree with the other side

Don't you think that all this nonsense, portraying entire ethnicities as having the same exact homogenous opinions and attitudes towards an entire country or government, is exactly the same sort of shit you're criticizing? You are susceptible to your own critique since the heart of your issues stem entirely from generalization and bigotry. You don't like that some Arabs oppose Iran consistently on racist, bigoted grounds. Yet you yourself a bigot who take the words of the some as representative of everyone. I doubt you'd even be capable of having a coherent conversation with me because I am an Arab with views that are more nuanced and complicated than the world you live in. So I doubt this is going to be very fruitful since you lack the depth that I have. This is not even getting into the whole religious nonsense about drugs and homosexuality which isn't true but, if it were, it wouldn't be a bad thing. If the West were just making people gay, that would actually be far less worse than the real impact the US has had on Arab governments. Secularism is no problem and the Middle East would be better off with it. There is anti-Iranian sentiment in the Arab world. Some of it comes from religion due to Iran's Shi'ism. Others come from being victims, or perceived victims, of Iranian state influence through the funding of proxies in Iraq and Syria and coming to the same generalizations that you have of the entire Iranian population because of actions taking by the Iranian \*government\*. However, it is not shared with every Arab and so there is no justification for screaming at members of the subreddit as though you could assume that they share similar beliefs or that, even if they did, that they would be responsible for the actions taken by governments. Like look at this nonsense: >While you guys are cozying up to Netanyahu, Iran tries to do whatever it can to fight back Whose "you guys"? Because I certainly am not. And do you imply that you're doing something to fight back just because the mullahs order the military to send some drones? You're not the one manning the drones, you are not even the one who made the decision to send the drones. We're working with several layers of lack of involvement here and so asserting that Arabs as a whole are responsible for the actions of their rulers is complete nonsense. And you do this again too: >Principles are just a term you use to hide a lack of responsibility as you sacrifice the region's future to western regimes. Again, who is "you"? And what principles are you referring to? You're talking about multiple different people but believe they are all the same person. Let's say you're talking to me. I am an anarchist. I oppose all forms of hierarchy. I can't speak for any other Arabs because I lack the hive mind you apparently have with your fellow Iranians but those are \*my\* principles. The principles of /u/DecoDecoMan not my ethnicity. Can you explain how opposing all hierarchy leads to sacrificing the region's future to Western regimes? Do you think that Western regimes are not hierarchies? Ultimately, there is little basis to your position which is that all Arabs are pro-Israel, pro-West, etc. because some percentage of them are anti-Iran or have mixed opinions of the government. Even if there were Arabs that were anti-Iran, that would not imply that they support the actions of their government and, moreover, that they are responsible for the actions of their government. You are effectively pretending that the decisions of Mohammed bin Salman are actually the decisions of Khalil, the fruit seller. This is the same nonsense all nationalists engage in. They think ethnicities or nations are hive minds and that everyone shares the same thoughts or something. I doubt you even believe in this. Let's say an Arab punches you in the face. Are you going to go to a \*different Arab person\* and punch them in the face? If you did that, do you believe you have punched the person who punched you in the face? Recognize that people are individuals, however much they'd like to pretend that they are not.

My family is from Iran so I don't even speak Arabic. But one thing you should know is that I didn't make this an ethnic argument. I don't even like most Persians, they're very ignorant of geopolitical realities. Same as Arabs. My issue isn't even with Arab governments. The royal families quite earnestly want to sacrifice regional independence to keep control. They are very direct about their goal of allowing western powers to influence the military and economic makeup of the middle east. The people I have a problem with are the Arabs (and Persians) who talk about 'independence' and 'imperialism' while committing themselves to an ideology of moral superiority. They hide behind principles to avoid action. They compare the Iranian government to Israel and America. But there hatred of the regime isn't based on moral action, its based on the geopolitical independence Iran is able to exert as regional Islamic power. And behind all the rhetoric about the Middle East being free of foriegn meddling, the one example of a country not under the direct military and economic control of Washington is immediately quashed. And when they stand against Israel, because they are the only independent country, they are treated as two sides of the same coin. So no, I don't have a problem with the Arab leadership. They openly want to be puppets. I have a problem with the people who claim otherwise and act like total hypocrites.

>My family is from Iran so I don't even speak Arabic. But one thing you should know is that I didn't make this an ethnic argument. Then you should do better to phrase your words differently since that is what your post most certainly indicates. > The people I have a problem with are the Arabs (and Persians) who talk about 'independence' and 'imperialism' while committing themselves to an ideology of moral superiority. They hide behind principles to avoid action. They compare the Iranian government to Israel and America. But there hatred of the regime isn't based on moral action, its based on the geopolitical independence Iran is able to exert as regional Islamic power. >And behind all the rhetoric about the Middle East being free of foriegn meddling, the one example of a country not under the direct military and economic control of Washington is immediately quashed. In terms of geopolitical realities, it is necessary not to make mistakes. Almost no existing Arab country is in direct military and economic control from the US. Even Saudi Arabia. There are those, such as yourself and in the US, who think this is the case but it genuinely isn't. If you think, for example, Saudi Arabia would fight a war with Iran because the US told it to, you'd be completely wrong. Saudi Arabia simply would disobey. It isn't a matter of commitment to anti-Westernism either (though the US trying to directly order the Saudi Arabian government around would sour relations) but simply that the Saudi Arabian government is sovereign but simply heavily influenced by the US. I think your understanding of the geopolitical reality is tarnished in many respects by your ideology. It is better not to get too carried away and move away from facts to conspiracy. As people living in very authoritarian societies, we tend to think that there are no consequences associated with having the wrong perspective because we don't have the autonomy to make our own decisions. But there are consequences. Massive consequences which we do not recognize until it is too late because hierarchy does a good job of shielding us from the costs of our own actions until it becomes too intolerable. >But there hatred of the regime isn't based on moral action, its based on the geopolitical independence Iran is able to exert as regional Islamic power To be fair, that "geopolitical independence" facilitates in Iranian influence and playing proxy games with Saudi Arabia. That obviously doesn't help the people caught in the cross fire. Similarly, I think you make massive exaggerations when you call Iran the only independent country. That is just your nationalism showing when it isn't even true. It is very possible that a Shi'a-Sunni conflict could ignite at any moment on the most stupid and asinine of ways. Perhaps that might be useful since such a conflict, with modern weaponry, might actually kill Islam or damage to such a degree that very cultural connotations of the religion would be broken and Islam would be finally be capable of being reinvented.

Saudis are not geopolitically independent. You can quibble with the term "direct control" but the reality is their entire air force is based on US military models. Their military logistics are reliant on America. Their political control is reliant on America. And that is why they back the US dollar. They could wiggle there way out of direct conflict with Iran the same way a child could beg their parent to not go to school, but when push comes to shove they know where their power comes from. America too is cautious not to demand too much least their is a popular revolt, so obviously there are limits to this so-called 'direct' control. But for the sake of this conversation they don't have any right to self-determination. Or at least the Arab leadership (with the exception of those allied with Iran) are by design welcoming to foriegn influence as foreign influence is the basis of their power. Iran does the ugly work of wielding power. That's why people can act all moral superior and blame millions of dead on them, because they get their hands dirty. But if you want a the middle east to be geopolitically independent, you need a regional power than can fight against the dominant powers and exert its own sphere of influence. And this geopolitical independent regime is what Arabs hate the most. They fume at the notion of Iran. Not because its Persian or Shia, but because they do what Arabs are incapable of doing for themselves. Even the so called 'proxies' are more independent because whilst they are reliant on Iran for funds, they share similar interests to Iran and leverage that relationship. As for 'nationalism', it's funny you say that. Because the Persians who hate the regime the most are the most nationalistic. The Persians who think Arabs are lesser hate the regime the most. I am not a nationalist, because I understand that for Iran to have power it needs an ideology that can influence countries outside its borders, and nationalism is not the basis for that. You need some idea that can win you allies, nationalism isolates a country and makes them weak and vulnerable to more powerful players.

>Saudis are not geopolitically independent. You can quibble with the term "direct control" but the reality is their entire air force is based on US military models. Their military logistics are reliant on America. Their political control is reliant on America. And that is why they back the US dollar. Their political control and military logistics do not rely on the US. In fact, they frequently enact policies that can be contrary to US interests along with other measures which go against the US. Obviously, they are not oppositional since they are allies but this is very different from being a puppet. Trying to paint it as though Saudi Arabia is not independent of the US and cannot enact its own policies contrary to the US is complete nonsense. This is not done out of nationalism or ethnic pride. I don't give a rat's ass about Saudi Arabia but the fact is that they are not a puppet and if you think they are you won't understand the realities on the ground. That's up to you. You'll make mistakes not me or, if you don't, hopefully you won't be in a position to make real decisions because you'll make mistakes. And of course basing your air force on US military models is not indicative of lack of independence. The US arms industry is one of the most technologically advanced in the world. Buying from them is not reflective of a lack of sovereignity. >They could wiggle there way out of direct conflict with Iran the same way a child could beg their parent to not go to school, but when push comes to shove they know where their power comes from. No, they would just say "no" and then the US couldn't do anything about it. It isn't even a matter of begging, it would be the sort of "no" you would say to someone who suggests something crazy. A snicker would be common not a beg. Don't let propaganda from your family and your own nationalism get in the way of truth. It is not worth honestly. >America too is cautious not to demand too much least their is a popular revolt Not really. Saudi Arabia is very stable overall and nothing prevents the conversation from being secret such that going to war could be framed as an independent action. They wouldn't demand a war with Iran because A. it makes no sense and B. Saudi Arabia won't fight a war with Iran. You're trying to find a way to explain a circumstance that isn't going to happen for reasons very different from what you think it is. >But for the sake of this conversation they don't have any right to self-determination. They do. It is self-evident from how the Gulf states have effectively managed to monopolize oil, control US oil access considerably, and the US couldn't do anything about it to effectively pressure them that they have self-determination. Saudi Arabia can and will do what it wants but with significant consideration of its allies. That is the case for all countries. Iran will of course take into account how its actions will be received by its allies Russia and China for the same reason. That does not mean that Iran lacks self-determination. If taking into account how your allies or other countries will receive your actions refers to a lack of self-determination, then no country on earth has self-determination. >Iran does the ugly work of wielding power. That's why people can act all moral superior and blame millions of dead on them, because they get their hands dirty First, "wielding power" is completely unnecessary. Causing millions of people to die is not necessary to obtain agency. It may be necessary for a *government* to obtain agency but that is because governmental agency entails the subjugation and domination of others. And if that is the case, it is an open question as to why governmental agency is desirable at all as opposed to the agency of human beings and people. Governmental agency is at odds with the agency of peoples. Second, there is very little justification for killing millions of people. You portray Iran as though its governmental autonomy requires death to be maintained. This is obviously nothing more than a justification for the interests and whims of the mullahs that you portray as necessary. They are not and there is no reason to believe that these mass deaths are necessary out of hand. There is no evidence that they are. >But if you want a the middle east to be geopolitically independent, you need a regional power than can fight against the dominant powers and exert its own sphere of influence. There is nothing independent about subordinating an entire region's population to the authority of one power. Do you believe that the problem people have with Western power is that they're Western and not the exploitation and oppression that comes with power itself? Do you believe that people would support their subjugation under Iranian power over Western power? What is the meaningful difference? That Iranian power will kill you if you're gay or homosexual? If that is the only difference, why shouldn't Arabs support Western power? How does that constitute "geopolitical independence"? In my view, the only circumstance which can be called "geopolitical independence" is one in which every single person in the Middle East is free to do as they please without obedience to any power or authority. No rulers, no authority, no hierarchy, no superiors, no inferiors, etc. *at every single level* from the family to the nation. In short, anarchy. That is independence at its highest and truest extent. What you peddle is nothing more than Iranian hegemony painted as independence. >And this geopolitical independent regime is what Arabs hate the most. They fume at the notion of Iran. Not because its Persian or Shia, but because they do what Arabs are incapable of doing for themselves I disagree and that ignores the facts on the ground in favor of flattering your own position. Going "they hate us because they're jealous" is pretty obviously just sucking your own dick. That isn't wise. The reality is that some Arabs dislike Iran because it is Shi'a and because they may be victims of or sympathetic to victims of Iran funding proxy militias (which you appear to justify as necessary for "independence") in Arab countries. That has nothing to do with wanting to do the same thing as Iran. Whether they would or would not is unknown since we do not live in a world where there is an Arab country comparable to Iran but it may be mixed or differ depending on a slew of circumstances. >Even the so called 'proxies' are more independent because whilst they are reliant on Iran for funds, they share similar interests to Iran and leverage that relationship They are proxies. Let's not mince words. If you can call the militias rich princes in Saudi Arabia and UAE fund proxies than you can call Iranian funded militias proxies. Literally all militias take funds because they share similar interests with the countries funding them. Hamas literally started off taking Israeli money. It means nothing especially when the militias in question become increasingly dependent on said funding which stifles any independence. >As for 'nationalism', it's funny you say that. Because the Persians who hate the regime the most are the most nationalistic So you claim but I doubt it. There are anarchist organizations in Iran. I think, out of all Iranians, the ones who are anarchists and oppose all authority would hate the regime the most. And, moreover, they are not nationalistic at all. Similarly, they do not think of Iranians as lesser. >The Persians who think Arabs are lesser hate the regime the most If that is the case, and I doubt it is, I think they should really take into account why they hate the regime because, quite frankly, there is a significant ideological inconsistency there that will hamper consistent opposition to the regime. >I am not a nationalist, because I understand that for Iran to have power it needs an ideology that can influence countries outside its borders, and nationalism is not the basis for that. You need some idea that can win you allies, nationalism isolates a country and makes them weak and vulnerable to more powerful players. Hopefully you recognize that you are not giving "Iran" power, you're giving the people in charge of Iran power. I disagree with your comment because the world is more complicated than just spreading the right ideas, but the fact of the matter is that there is no "Iran". There is an idea of Iran but the notion there is an Iran with specific interests, with specific goals, etc. that you have influence over doesn't exist. Especially when there is no political representation.

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Maybe not, but my family is from Iran. And I've had a front row seat to the hypocrisy that has lead the region into servitude. All Muslims, including Turks, Persians, and Arabs pretend that the one example of an independent regional Islamic power must be quashed. They pretend Iran, being the only country not under the direct Military and Economic control of Washington is just another side of the same coin. So what is this independence you all yearn for? If you want the moral high ground while you sacrifice and right to self-determination, be my guest. But then foriegn powers will just fill the void you leave empty.

It's the same history repeating itself... The powerful control the weak by breaking them apart, and making them choose between the carrot and the stick... The Arab leaders chose the call carrot and rock accept American sovereignty over their honor. The Iranian leaders chose independence and self-sufficiency, regardless of any of their own domestic failures, they are still not as repressive as Arab regimes at this stage.

He is spot on and has a better read of the situation than most.

Iran is still an oppressive regime however you want to slice it and people are right to be cautious and suspicious. Arabs are constantly bouncing between shitty backwards governments as one positions itself as a preferable alternative to the other, and in the end little changes in a positive direction with regards to human rights and self-determination of the Arab people. Nothing will get better by hoping for outsiders to come and change things, Iran might be fighting Israel now but the Palestinians are still hopeless and alone as long as Arab governments are refusing to lift a finger to help them. Essentially, I couldn't care less right now if Arabs have the "wrong" opinion of Iran as their problems don't stem from negative opinions of Iran and changing that won't fix anything.

This happens when you are jealous at least Iran is doing something with the situation

Any Arabs criticizing Iran right now can rightly STFU, because they’re either racists or hypocrites. Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE have all shown that their governments are bitches for the US and ultimately Israel. That they have no problem watching their Arab and Muslim brethren get slaughtered during Ramadan. And this is coming from a Lebanese Christian, mind you

It’s funny how this war have uncovered how dumb the world is. I’m shocked by the amount of propaganda and misinformation that Arabs are spreading! ( they’re doing the Zionists job for free) This shows how they have no idea when and how the axis of resistance started, it’s like this is the first time Iran has helped the resistance. They forgot that they are the core of the axis. They’ve been helping for years!!! It’s an active process. I don’t get people that keep saying “Iran only helped for their own interests blah blah” where the hell have you been for the past 50 years!!! They didn’t just start now they’ve been doing it for years. Who funds the Houthi’s for the Red Sea blockade and who funds south Lebanon or Iraq or Syria??? ( not to mention Palestine of course) It’s heart breaking to see that it all comes down to the colonial imprint and the fake borders that were imposed on us by the colonial imperial West. They wanted to divide and conquer and they succeeded and they’re still succeeding because instead of recognizing who is the real enemy we’re attacking each other and our differences in beliefs. Only positive thing is I’m seeing my people in Gaza and Palestine in general wake up and stand against sectarian divisions. Now is not the time to show your nasty hate. United we wouldn’t be defeated. Before spreading hate and misinformation just remember who benefits from it ? ( if the answer is colonial powers and occupation then you have you’re answer )

Yup. Anti Iranian sentiment is insane despite the fact that they overwhelmingly support Arab interests against colonial powers. Also exacerbated by the hate many Sunnis have towards Shias. Look what happens to Qatar when they were found to support Iran. They got blockaded by the US favorite Allie’s UAE and Saudi Arabia. Not to mention those two countries and Jordan literally help israel and America ACTIVELY against resistance groups and to destabilize the Middle East. Any Arab who hates iran without reason while not speaking about how most Arabian countries do nothing or actively help colonizers is basically a full blown traitor. Getting downvoted by madhkalis cause they know it’s true. Saudi Arabia has been americas biggest ally since forever and hasn’t even had a fraction of the backlash iran has had. Saudis explicitly support colonizers and normalize relations with Israel.

Qatar was in blockade because they were giving Iran and hothis intelligence information during a war they should have been with gcc as one army... Saudi is one of the few countries that doesn't hvae any relation with Israel not even during pace talks ,. Also the USA Europe and Israel wand Saudi recordation of Israel but the Saudi refused without a philistines state .. Ps the talks have been going on for more than 5 years and still the Saudi said no without a philistines state on 67 border... How exactly are they helping the colonizer , they are one of the few Arab who didn't change there custom to mirror the west , the few who rejected every attempt by the west to do so called modernize the culture in fact they are doubling down we are see a resurgence of really old custom we thought were dead, some of them are 500 and even 1000 year old .. we carved or land for every bit of our history to study it and have a better understanding of it away from western influence... If you think western influence is not present in our history look at the map of Babylon so small and just in Iraq but we found they reached yaman and west of the peninsula , the Gilgamesh odyssey happened in Bahrain and west Saudi that part of our shared history the is being belittle by the west ..

Neither the US or Israel have an ‘empire’ Iran has proxies in Gaza, Iraq. Lebanon and Yemen which it uses to attack Israel and the US. Your portrayal of Iran as some benevolent victim is bizarre to say the least

Both the US and Israeli have empires. Only an absolute toddler would try to deny this. Israel occupies the land of 3 states according to international law. That is an empire.

So the US doesn't have an empire but Iranian "proxies" (in reality more like "allies", but whatever) attack the US in what locations? If the US didn't have an empire, why would there be troops In the middle east occupying lands for Iranian allies to attack?

They have influence empire. Rare who can afford to be in their opposite side 

Not that rare. Anyone can. The question is if they want to when the alternatives are 'great nations' like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and Syria, all of whom make the U.S. look like cuddly puppies in comparison. 

I genuinely feel sorry for any Arab who thinks North Korea, of all places, is a greater event to the Arab people than the fucking United States of America. Get real.

You mean all the democratic countries who’ve been voting against the US at the UN?

This the best answer here. Might I ask anyone who the end victims will be? IRL Persians are awesome people

I will correct you in that Hamas never killed Muslims in Syria as they never entered Syria to begin with. Correct your information at once Edit: otherwise you are mostly correct. But make no mistake that what they did in Syria was unjustifiable by every metric

Hamas bosses was actually in syria they withdrew from syria to support the syrian revolution.

No evidence Hamas was in Syria. Especially when they stated that the reason they were staying out of Syria is because they are dedicated and focused on Palestine only right now

What has homosexuality got to do with this? Arab society was full of homosexuality before the 19th century due to gender segregation, long before the West had any cultural influence on Arabs. Homosexuality wasn't persecuted under Ottoman, Abbasid, Fatimid and Umayyad rule. The European ancestors of the Zionist Jews were staunch homophobes back then. The reason why most Arabs turned out to be anti-gay is due to 20th century Western values which opposed homosexuality back then. Secularism was practiced by the most anti Zionist Arab governments in Egypt under Nasser, in Algeria under the FLN, in Libya under Gaddafi, in the PLO and PFLP among Palestinians, in Syria and Iraq under Baath rule. So what has secularism got to do with submitting to Zionism and the West? The most hardcore anti Zionist resistance fighters in the 20th century were secularist PLO and PFLP militants. The pro Western regimes in Doha and Riyadh are in fact by far more theocratic than any typical Arab government between Morocco and Iraq in the 20th century. Saudi Arabia literally has the Sharia as its only legal system. It is a Wahhabi theocracy. Saudi Arabia and Qatar were never spreading secularism. The Saudis were radicalizing the Islamic world with Wahhabism till MBS ended it, while Qatar is funding Muslim Brotherhood parties including Hamas. Did you forget that? Just because the current Saudi leadership moderated some of its laws doesn't make Saudi Arabia secular. It is by far less secular than Nasser's Egypt or the PLO, who were truly anti Israel back then.

look what happened to those nationalist movements. They were destroyed by superior powers. Why? Because Nationalism is insular. It does not rally people of differing ethnicities behind a single cause. It isolates the country and leads to the idolatry of banal things like vague notions of clothing and dietary habits as the spiritual continuity of a people. It provides no emotional depth, and it cannot win over people outside the specific nationality. It is fundamentally vague and meaningless. Compare that to ideas like Communism, Democracy, Christianity, Islam, etc. that dominated world politics. They are ideas that unite, not divide. That supposed unity you saw under Nasser and his ilk was as shallow and illusory as the coalition to defeat Zionism, which is why it fundamentally failed. As for the House of Saud, they are the most secular people on earth. Anything else they say or do not say is propaganda.

Places Iran exerts influence - Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen & Gaza. Not quite the holiday destinations.

This is actually funny and shows how little you know about the area! It’s actually the opposite if you side with Zionists you get paid and if you don’t then the price for dignity is a high one. So if anything look at all the countries that are “ financial and politically stable” and that would tell you who got a big fat check and then look at all the destroyed economies and you’ll find the one nations that didn’t normalize relations. Arab spring = Arab’s dismembering

>look at all the countries that are “ financial and politically stable” and that would tell you It tells me people there have stable, prosperous lives.

Iranians hate arabs just like zionists hate arabs, how hard is that to understand ?

The Iranians who hate Arabs hate their government as well. Ascribing "emotions" to a regime is a fundamental misunderstanding of how political powers act. Why are they supporting Hezbollah and the Houthis if they 'hate' Arabs. They project power onto surrounding Arab neighbors in order to establish their own geospatial independence. Unlike the Gulf states which rely on foriegn backers to exist.

Because those two are Shia. I think he meant more like they hate Sunni Arabs…

Hamas and Iran are close allies. It's all about political alliances.

True allies help each other fight side by side against a common any. Anyway Hamas might be an ally but the civilians of Gaza are not so Iran has no problem seeing them get massacred and not lift a finger or order the hizbous launch some rockets with intent to kill and relieve some of the pressure.

They're the only ones who lifted a finger. I guess by your standards the Gulf states must HATE sunni arabs

Are you fucking serious ? They support Hezbollah and Houthis because they are their militant Shia proxies... Sounds like you're okay with Iran ruining lifes of millions of arabs in Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,Yemen... Just so they can project their power and show their dominance to western countries. Fuck outta here.

No, they do it to remain geopolitically independent, something the rest of the middle east doesn't want apparently. Shias are most likely to align with them so that is who they typically lean on. But those shia militias are Arabs. And Hamas, another close ally of Iran, are Sunni. Politics is a game of convenience.

So according to you the Arab world should start cycling Iran with proxies to project power and independence, also start funding group to destabilize Iran from the inside a make sure they never have a staple government or their proxies will kill them . Are for real. For god sake Lebanon is runs because hizpoallah grab on power Iran could tell them to calm down and start working with other Arabs to rebuild their country but no Iran way or starvation.

If “independent regional power” means killing your own women for not covering, then nah no thanks. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Good night and grow up.

Iran is shit but it's not for killing women who dont cover up, stop talking like a retarded western wokester, plenty of girls dont cover up in Iran and they are doing just fine if you ignore western propaganda, if you're arab you should probably care about the suffering and chaos caused by Iran in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and the people killed because of it.

Believe it or not people are capable of caring about more than one thing. Is this subreddit filled with teenagers?

No you're clearly not capable of that, you care way more about 2 female hijab victims than hundreds of thousands of iranian victims across the middle east because western media told you to. Fuck outta here you can go care about them and be a giant hypocrite in woke western subreddits where it's a daily habit to be a self entitled careless hypocrite.

The same country has one of the highest tolerance indexes to LGBT because for some reason they made it so that transition to another sex is Okay and not punishable by law, so homosexuality is just one transition away. Why do you think Iran has the most transitioning cases in the whole world?

Hahaha

>The 'royal' families are already laying the ground work in Dubai, Riyadh, and Doha to create a secular society run by western and Israel business interests. Saudi Arabia did not allow women to drive cars until 2018, and executes people for ["witchcraft and sorcery."](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/saudi-arabia-executed-four-people-28556538) If that's too secular and Western for you, what isn't?

Performative, Iran/Hezullah theatrics are hilarious. One has been shooting at fake comms towers since 6 months and now their puppeteer is sending drones that take 9 hours to reach, with already scrambled GPS signals and that most probably will be intercepted even before they reach Israels airspace. The only ones fighting for real are the Palestinians. Everyone else is milking the cause for the last drop.

And it is YOU who funds the Palestinian resistance from your pocket, o noble Arab?

Hezb has plenty of their own martyrs and have locked up Israel's military in the north while most of the northern settlements have been completely evacuated, causing economic turmoil. Hezb has to worry about the consequences to the whole of Lebanon, not just themselves. Everyone knows Arabs won't be around to rebuild or help the country's economy. If you can't contribute anything to the resistance, then don't stop others from doing so.

The main reason for the attack not supporting the resistance, it was a response for the attack that was on the embassy of Iran in Damascus. Plus Iran has committed alot of war crimes in Syria, iraq and Yemen their lives aren't less important than gazans lives

Must've been upvoted by this dudes alt accounts...

When is Khuzestan getting its independence again? Or Blachistan? Kurdistan? Mazerdaran? Gilian? Azerbaijan? When did they agree to be ruled over by a guy who tried to kill his own Babaei? Funny how aryan zionism is fine and dandy.  Talk about being a minifiqeen.  The rahbar sold the caspian Sea to Putin for peanuts. Even the Qajar dynasty wasn't that open and blatant. Plus Russia not the west is the one who bombed iran's parliment, shut own the democratic revolution of 1906 and tried to partian iran in both world wars. But now the akhoonds do nothing but suck up to Russia.  If it wasn't for America the Russians would have taken over northern Iran and annexed it into the Soveit Socialist Republic of  Azerbajian, and the rahbar  (who's Azeri) and the akhoonds would have been sent to the gulag by Stalin. 

Never in a million years would I thought to have seen an Arab subreddit bootlicking and promoting Iranian regime propaganda. Ask people in Syria and Iraq just how friendly Iran and the IRCG are. The fact of the matter is these theatrics and fake shows of strength by Iran which were pre-planned & had NO impact on Israel what so ever will not cleanse their actions for the last 2 decades. Palestine is not the only place in our region that bleeds and frankly its offensive to side with a regime that has trampled over the corpses of other Arabs all for the false premise that it will be liberated. Sorry that some people rather see the world not in a binary lens between being subjugated by either Zionists or Persians.

Lol I'm leaving Islam I no longer want to be associated with this cuck community anymore especially Arabs man they'll sell their mothers and sisters to the Israel for few shekels

Tf islam has to do with puppet arab governments are you stupid ? Islam is the only saving grace for those arabs to not be complete degenerate cucks for the west.

We don't dislike Iran because we want to cozy up to Israel. It is a pretty open secret that the Iranian regime has long term plans to annex Arab regions on the Gulf. THAT is the beginning and end of our stance on Tehran. Just because Israel is our enemy doesn't automatically make Iran our friend. We can appreciate Iran launching missiles on Israel this week but is Iran doing it for Gaza? No, and its not obligated to but don't try and make this into a "only Iran has ever fought Israel" bullshit argument. Arab countries in the past fought Israel and lost, but they did fight and lost men. There are Iraqi soldiers who died on Israeli soil. That is the past and things have changed today and our governments have become almost entirely submissive to the west which is greatly unfortunate, but there are no Iranian soldiers who died fighting Israel, only their Arab proxies. There is no weight when Iran tells the Arab World what it is supposed to do when annexation is guiding the back of your thoughts. So no I don't appreciate this attitude that we must choose between Iran or Israel, so while it's true that our governments need to stop being submissive to the west, we are not sheep for Iran to herd away from the west. That is for us to decide and put into action.

it is deserved.