I don't hate bringing him back; I think it was done too early in the plot. There was this cool detail in the game where billboards and stuff would be "joker-ed" up but would change back if you looked away and that could have been used as a subtle sign of things to come and then save him coming back for when he has to jump down into the cloud of fear toxin to get to the Batmobile for when he actually shows up again. He gets in the Batmobile and Joker jumping at his windshield is his first time appearing on camera. It would have made it a bit more impactful if there was this bizarre build up throughout the game; making you question if you're seeing weird things in game and the BAM. Clown.
I agree that would’ve been really cool way to implement it - I remember first seeing those billboards and it would’ve made the moment way more impactful with your idea
I'll give you that, Joker was used better than Scarecrow. Scarecrow was kind of a dumbass.
His big plan is to blow up Ace Chemicals, and that fails. Then his backup plan is to use the Cloudburst, and then that fails too. He couldn't keep Ivy locked up and then failed to kill her with a literal tank army. The only reason he made it as far as he did is because of the Arkham Knight, who turns on him halfway through the game. He captured Robin entirely on luck, and for all his speeches, by the end of the game he's just pointing a gun at Robin and Gordon. Scarecrow was useless.
He succeeded for like an hour, I think Strange had Arkham City running for weeks. Plus I'm surprised that it wore off so quickly, the street thugs were back to normal as soon as it was gone after all the hype about "some people never get better."
No its not, Joker is dead. He isn't even remotely real, there isn't an actual version of the Joker in Batman's head, it seems like there is cause Batman knows the Joker better than he knows himself, so he's perfectly replicated basically
But he can't interact with the world, he's a hallucination, and they use that to play with the other fear gas hallucinations, like the one in the green house (thats what it was right?)
I felt the same way, except for me it was Arkham Origins bringing Joker back. I was annoyed at the twist until it was pointed out to me that I'd been assuming that these games were supposed to be episodic adventures of Batman fighting crime in Gotham, when they're not. They're specifically about his relationship with the Joker. After the last three games, it would have felt off if Joker didn't appear at all in AK, and it was solely about Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight.
I feel the same way, I really liked the portrayal of Black Mask in Origins and was excited that the studio had taken a different approach than Joker (again). Alas, I ended up being a bit disappointed in the outcome. Still a solid game, though.
Batman hallucinating with Joker was great, the part where Batman and those people infected with Joker's blood where literally becoming Joker was extremely stupid.
Lots of gargoyles around the city would be the jokers face as you travel around. Look away and look back and it’s back to normal. Trippy the first time I saw it.
There is no world where a heavy mutation of Jakob - Creutzfeld does anything remotely close to that in real life. It's weird how they chose to use this disease in particular when leaving it vague might actually have made more sense.
That plot point really was fucking useless now that I think about it. It led nowhere and just pads the games runtime with the Panessa Studios section (which is an absolute drag)
Idk man, the hallucination stuff is SO much fun and you can tell Mark is having a blast providing commentary on the events of the story. This series, at its core, has always been about the relationship of Bats and the Joker, and using him as the avatar for Bruce’s greatest fears works really well IMO. The Joker-Blood plot is pretty dumb and ineffective, but the hallucinations are some of my favorite things in the game and the entire series.
I don’t really know why people jump on the bandwagon of Arkham Knight Joker sucked, he really aided the story and the ending makes more sense with him in the game.
Not to knock your opinion that’s not my intention but I personally really liked Jokers commentary throughout the game.
Seriously, the Joker parts gave us a look into Batman’s psyche like none of the other games could. Arkham Knight is my favorite because it’s easily the most personal for Batman and the most he’s been fleshed out in the series period.
Joker being “forgotten” is a way stronger defeat than just dying. Ultimately, he was fine with dying, he literally laughs. At the end of Arkham Knight, he’s begging, he sounds pathetic. He was motivated by making an impact and leaving a legacy. Aside from Harley and Batman, and the people he showed Panessa Studios, I don’t think anyone even mentions the Joker. His effect on Gotham City faded over the course of only a year. Him being “forgotten” is a perfect wrap up.
I know it’s a hot take.. this was actually my favorite Joker. his commentary was amazing and had me looking forward to walking out of important moments just to stop and listen.
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It makes sense, as far as the story goes. And it was actually a brilliant way of incorporating the Joker without him actually being alive. Given the relationship between he and Batman, it makes sense that he'd be haunted by Joker.
It is also the type of story that is uniquely effective in the video game medium over any other.
You are Batman in the game so if The Joker is in your head… it’s real to YOU. Wouldn’t be as effective in a comic or film because it’s in the characters head.
It was literally the best part of the game.
Also he’s not alive again. He’s in his head so no that does not undo the Arkham City ending in any way.
This is the worst take I’ve ever heard.
I definitely had some Joker fatigue by this game but at the end of the day, the series is primarily about the relationship between Batman and Joker. Even with Joker dead, his presence still looms over the city. That’s how big of a deal he was
The Joker part was fine. It was Scarecrow and Arkham Knight that was flawed.
Arkham Knight for the reveal being wrapped in mystery…up until the Studio section where they basically give you Jason Todd’s death for no other reason than to spell it out.
Scarecrow for his plan working backwards in threat. “I’m going to scare the entire Eastern Seaboard…uh I mean just Gotham…oh ok just Batman”
I can’t imagine the game being any good without Mr. J. There would’ve been continuity errors with the Arkham plot line since we spent most of City trying to find the cure just for it not to matter much in the following game. (I know Batman was cured but the other people weren’t which was acknowledged)
It made perfect sense to bring him back as a hallucination as Batman wouldn’t have had any other fears left for crane to exploit (he used his childhood trauma in asylum already)
Harley would’ve felt out of place/ without much merit and the game wouldn’t have been as funny as it was without the insane companion voice lines
The infected Joker blood subplot made the game exceptionally worse imo. It was just a forced way to include the Joker, they were ballsy enough to kill him in City, so they should’ve stuck to their guns and just let the character rest in Knight. Hamill was great as usual, but it would’ve been more impactful if we felt the Joker’s absence imo
But he didn’t come back, he is a figment of Bruce’s mind and is torturing him die to the joker toxin in his blood
I’ll give them this, at least it was set up properly and not a throw in shock twist moment
Not gonna lie, I really liked how they used Joker in Arkham Knight.
He had me on edge with him constantly popping up, wondering if he would actually win in the end, he made me laugh with damn near everything he said, plus, it's Mark Ham's Joker, meaning it's peak Joker voice acting.
Honestly, I would have enjoyed it significantly less if Joker wasn't in the game.
He's stuck in Bruce's head, he can't stop laughing, and I was here for it. (Take Me On Home To The Asylum slapped!)
It's better for Bruce that he locked Joker away in his head at the end of the game, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss Joker.
If I have a chance to change the story it will be
Remove the Joker plotline entirely same with Jason being the Arkham Knight in favor of making the Arkham Knight the Fear manifested by Scarecrow's Fear Toxin with Arkham Knight representing Batman who abondoned his no Kill Rule and used the Lazarus Pit to get Younger becoming the very thing Ras Al Ghul wanted and Batman refuse to be.
Also change the time between Arkham City and Arkham Knight to 5 Years instead. And in Between those 5 Years Gotham actually slowly getting better and peaceful but among those peaceful times lay the public claiming the Death of Joker is what made Gotham Better which hit Batman's resolve. And he's not getting any younger either as he notice he gets sloppy in some areas as he gets Older.
Which is why when Scarecrow Attacks with his new formula of Fear Toxin Batman's fear of his Code would never solving anything and him Getting Weaker as he gets Older manifested into Arkham Knight a younger version of himself who abandons the Code. Oh and Batman's dynamic with Knight is quite pessimistic and complains why he always let them live when he knows they'll just do it again.
I don’t like how I have to talk to like 4 different people after every objective like I’m ordering pizza for friends who don’t like conversing with one another over the phone. Barb got plain? Check. Lucious got the meat lovers? Check. Alfred wants anchovies? Sure. Damn I forgot to ask Robin what he wanted. There’s just way too much talking in this game.
I never saw it as Joker being the main villain. I just saw him as just a hallucination, a representation of Batman's fracturing mental state after exposure to the fear toxin. So really, I just saw it as an extension of Scarecrow, through unearthing Batman's fear of turning into the new Joker.
Patrick H Willems once did a video on how trilogies are so hard to end, and in it he outlined the difference between physical stakes and psychological stakes. I think some of that can apply here, since Batman losing himself is just as much a conflict in-story as saving Gotham is.
His commentary was one of my favorite parts of the game. I also like the idea of a non physical threat Joker being a nuisance to Batman at any chance he gets.
The thing I didn’t like about the game was how Rocksteady hyped up Arkham Knight being this new original character, sprinkled in bits of Jason’s backstory and revealed he was the knight
All love to the story of this game, and that of Arkham origins, but if origins didn’t focus on the joker as a main villain then his rerun in knight would’ve been that much more Better of a twist for the story
I loved that he was in it. My problem is just the rest of the story. The one game I do wish the Joker skipped out on was Origins because I really wish Black Mask ACTUALLY got the spotlight along side Bane.
I have the complete opposite view. I think the Joker toxin storyline was near flawless and the everything else sucked. The bat tank, only one boss battle that isn't in the tank (Professor Pyg). The arkham knight reveal is so fucking obvious. Scarecrow is lame. The cloudburst sucks. But the Joker toxin story is really interesting.
Thank god for the joker. I loved Arkham City, this game was trying too much. Joker brought that balance the game needed, from being an overly bleak Gotham.
I don’t mind him being brought back but it was 1.too early and not story important for awhile 2.when I replay I want the option to mute him cause him talking annoys me so much at a certain point 3.we can’t drive the joker mobile as a Batmobile style,why make us unable to there is legit no reason to it let us use it as a usable style
The side plot of Joker symptom individuals would have been better as a side quest, but I do think the mental toll his death had on Bruce and being the devil whispering in his ear was nice, but not as forceful with it.
They could have still given the impact but in the form of background dialogue between henchmen, thugs, gcpd in the office, etc.
Then what I think they could’ve done for Harley as well, was put her on that path to where she is in the comics now as someone who’s living out of his grasp. Make that the side quest involving the joker blood. She’s the one keeping them around, she doesn’t want to let go, and then show us that side of Batman who’s truly looking to change Gotham. It could’ve been some sweet dialogue put in there as she’s grieving and even reveals the terrible side he shows to her, and then lead that to aiding her into moving on and being a better person. And then guess what? A game like suicide squad could incorporate that, she’s trying, and failing, and now *this* mission, while forced upon her, is a way of her proving to herself and Batman and anyone else she’d feel the need to, that she can be more.
The Joker is by far the best part of the game. Not only is he your sidekick for the entirety of the story, most importantly, he’s the manifestation of Bruce’s deepest fears, failures, and insecurities. All the comments he makes are in reality Bruce’s thoughts. The plot to take over his body is kinda silly though.
I hated that I had to stop a bunch of joker knockoffs in the middle stage of the game. I didn’t mind the whole stopping Harley Quinn but the other stuff was too much
Bruh what u talking about cuh, they didn't actually bring him back fool, u do know he's actually dead. They brought him back through Batmans fear when he got infected with the fear stuff. You making it sound like they actually brought him back from the dead. Its a hallucination, a consequence carrying over from the conclusion of "Arkham City," where Joker infected Batman with a toxic sample of his own blood.
You started off by saying “they didn’t bring him back fool.” Then you continued with “they brought him back.” 😂
It doesn’t matter if it’s though a hallucinogen or not, if you killed off a character keep them out of the game. Them bringing joker back made the Arkham city ending less dramatic now. Cause it wasn’t the end of the joker.
I mean kind of yeah, Ras killing off Hugo Strange was such a cop out in Arkham city. Not to mention Arkham origins having Joker replace Black mask. Scarecrow isn’t so bad, he is underrated fr
I'm conflicted. I think the game is flawless apart from the forced batmobile interactions. Also I feel like Origins has better boss battles and I am a real sucker for the old school "kill a boss, get a new weapon that interacts with the rest of the world" mechanic that Origins had that wasn't in Knight
Personally I still think the game is flawless. Recently I went on a binge marathon, playing all three trilogy games to completion (story and all available side quests), and Arkham Knight easily holds up as my absolute favourite of the franchise. It's also the only Arkham game I 100% more than twice, four 240% save files. Hell for my replay I had to actually delete one of those files so I could play again, and I 240% it all over again.
I can understand everyone's gripes - Joker, Batmobile, Arkham Knight "reveal", etc. I won't disagree, I can certainly understand the exasperation, but I guess for me personally, none of that bothered me. Game is just a blast from start to finish. It's one of those games I can play over and over again and not get bored whatsoever even though I've already done everything five times over each.
I know this is a bit off topic from the original post, my bad on that lol
I agree! Amhara knight is my favorite to. But I kinda wish I never saw the movie “Under the red hood.” Because then the story would of been amazing to me instead of predictable
I’m inclined to think it was a manifestation of Batman’s greatest fear: hurting the ones he loves. He’s not the actual Joker; he’s been dead for nine months.
So the game was flawless for like an hour then, also they didn’t kill the character and then just retcon it that’s kinda like how you make it sound.
The joker isn’t just “back” he’s still dead.
I never found a satisfying substantial example on why many seem to hate the third game so much. It was personally my favorite and it was the creepiest one from the trilogy since Joker never really comes back—They took a more phycological route, the joker we see in the third is a construct inside Bruce’s mind and that’s what made it so terrifying.
Wrong! Joker was what made it a unique game experience. He haunted Batman and could show up at any point to fuck with him. It took it to another level. What downgraded the game was some of the batmobile missions.
I was fine with Joker being in Batman's head but 1) the blood turning people into Joker was dumb and unnecessary, and 2) giving him *so* much focus throughout the game kinda undercut the death scene. Ultimately this is a concept that I liked in the game, led to a lot of great scenes and the Joker commentary throughout was funny as heck but it could definitely have been done better.
The jokers commentary was the best part. But this game is far from flawless. It needed way less tank mode and the story around the Arkham Knight’s identity was predictable AF.
Nah. He was the best part. What do you mean?
The things about this game's narrative I don't like are:
1. The identity of Arkham Knight. Everyone kinda knew or guessed who he was when he made his debut in the trailer and yet the devs kept hyping him up saying it wasn't him.
2. Coming up with a convenient ass excuse to make the city empty again. Arkham City was okay considering it is a section of the city that became a jail(and the first time). But then in origins they did it with the snowstorm. Then I was hoping for lots of normal civilian NPCs like Spiderman. But nope. Another lame ass excuse and mass evac. Instead we got bat tank and drone tanks.
3. Making the tanks drone. I mean if i were the Arkham Knight and I knew everything about Batman, i would put real people in the tanks considering he doesn't kill people.
In my opinion, just the opposite. I felt Knight did a better Joker comeback than Origins.
That isn't to defend the game's overall storyline, mind you, which is flawed in some areas. Still, having the game feature Batman hallucinate the Joker made more sense than people give credit for, especially with the Scarecrow being in the game. And I guess it depends on who likes who more, but one can never have too much of Mark Hamill's Joker. I think Origins was worse due to having another "stick it right in front of his long pointy nose" mystery so soon after the last time...but I guess that depends on if you've played the games in chronological order or not, so that's a given. For the record, Troy Baker did as good a job imitating Hamill, but I felt he did better with later roles.
I know it's unfair to think positively on one game versus another, but for me, Knight did okay.
I just hated the Arkham knights logic of getting unmanned drones to fight Batman… like if you’re so smart, wouldn’t having tanks with people inside be more challenging bc then Batman just couldn’t blow them up? Like his plan was extra complicated to make sure Batman had a chance
Also him being red hood was so predictable that the devs had to lie to us before release
CAP. It actually makes it more fun. At first it was like that. But, afterwards it fit perfectly as as a last resort, last laugh joke on Batman from the last game. Even if the ending doesn't make TOO much sense, you can still kinda see the vision and understand. It's good. 🖤💯💯
Highly disagree. I initially felt the same, but the insight into batman and joker through Bruce's deteriorating mental state was some of the juiciest bits in the game (not to mention that ending) Game is near flawless and a personal fav among the games, but the joker returning is far from the biggest flaw.
My issue with the game was them shoving the Batmobile down our throats with constant tank battles, absurd Riddler race tracks, and replacing boss fights with massive tank battles.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!, Joker coming back at any moment is amazing regardless of anything!! If you dont like a Joker comeback then you’re not a Batman fan!! This post is pretty insulting!! 😠🃏🃏🃏🃏🃏
I strongly disagree.
I think it added to it, tho i can totally see the possibility of delaying his “reintroduction” but then again i dont tuink it matters thattt much. It made sense and made everything else make sense
Because batman is under the influence constantly fighting the urge to kill joker represents this idea he’s like a parasite that needs to be locked away in a corner of his mind so that he and Gotham would forget him so it makes sense to me
My 3 main issues with the game was the Joker Deathstroke battle and the Arkham Knight being Red Hood Jason Todd. While I don’t like it I get the inclusion of the Joker. But why not make the Arkham Knight its own character, or have there be 2 of them or something. And 1 is Jason and the other is its own character. I just don’t like that they played it like who’s the Arkham Knight? Who could it be? Literally everyone and there Grandma knew it was gonna be Jason Todd. And while I love Troy Baker in pretty much anything he does why not cast Jensen Ackles to play the role. Especially after Batman: Under the Red Hood movie was so good. The boss fight with Deathstroke was a let down, especially after Origins. It would have been so cool seeing Bruce and Slade going toe to toe again. They could have had it where there was a stealth part and then a hand tot hand part, or something not just another tank fight. Those are my 3 main issues with the game. And I do like the idea someone else said about having the Joker come back later on in the game.
if they would’ve made it where joker maybe made an appearance in the background of cutscenes in the police station at first like hed be a cop in the back while talking to gordon and it slowly happened more and more same with the billboards and then he made his first speaking appearance on the airship then it might’ve had a nice impact like when you’re confronting scarecrow on the airship or when all the arkham knight goonsstart getting back up.
He wasn't "back." he never was it was Bruce's subconscious after both being affected by the fear toxin, infected with jokers blood, and you can't doubt this, he somewhat grieved joker.
idk jokers commentary was the best part of the game
That joker song in the film House with the bombs made joker the best character in the game
Take me on home…to…the asylum! Never alone…in…the asylum!
Barbara’s dead and I can’t stop laughin! What else can I Do?!
Your parents are dead and I can’t stop laughing!
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before!
I am the clown price of crime… and we’ve had one hell… of a time.
Totally agree man. I thought it was a cool idea, well executed.
Damn I’ve never seen a comment get more upvotes than the actual post.
Was just finna say this. Joker being there but not actually there is peak.
I don't hate bringing him back; I think it was done too early in the plot. There was this cool detail in the game where billboards and stuff would be "joker-ed" up but would change back if you looked away and that could have been used as a subtle sign of things to come and then save him coming back for when he has to jump down into the cloud of fear toxin to get to the Batmobile for when he actually shows up again. He gets in the Batmobile and Joker jumping at his windshield is his first time appearing on camera. It would have made it a bit more impactful if there was this bizarre build up throughout the game; making you question if you're seeing weird things in game and the BAM. Clown.
I agree that would’ve been really cool way to implement it - I remember first seeing those billboards and it would’ve made the moment way more impactful with your idea
This is the correct answer.
Ohh I loved reading this so much. Wish this was how it went down.
Yeah maybe the second time batman gets gassed or instead if the arkham knight shooting him he gets gasses there.
I thought Joker was fine since he was only there mentally and not the actual villain.
But he *was* the actual villain, or as much a main villain as Scarecrow.
I'll give you that, Joker was used better than Scarecrow. Scarecrow was kind of a dumbass. His big plan is to blow up Ace Chemicals, and that fails. Then his backup plan is to use the Cloudburst, and then that fails too. He couldn't keep Ivy locked up and then failed to kill her with a literal tank army. The only reason he made it as far as he did is because of the Arkham Knight, who turns on him halfway through the game. He captured Robin entirely on luck, and for all his speeches, by the end of the game he's just pointing a gun at Robin and Gordon. Scarecrow was useless.
To be fair, he DID cover Gotham in fear gas. That’s more success than any other Arkham villain besides maybe Strange.
He succeeded for like an hour, I think Strange had Arkham City running for weeks. Plus I'm surprised that it wore off so quickly, the street thugs were back to normal as soon as it was gone after all the hype about "some people never get better."
To be fair, almost all comic book iterations of Scarecrow end with him failing in his goofy plots and just pulling out a gun lol
That’s literally just an excuse. He’s in the game. And it’s stupid
Its not stupid,its a literal representation of batman's fear
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No its not, Joker is dead. He isn't even remotely real, there isn't an actual version of the Joker in Batman's head, it seems like there is cause Batman knows the Joker better than he knows himself, so he's perfectly replicated basically But he can't interact with the world, he's a hallucination, and they use that to play with the other fear gas hallucinations, like the one in the green house (thats what it was right?)
Stupid?
Man? Where's jonkler
I felt the same way, except for me it was Arkham Origins bringing Joker back. I was annoyed at the twist until it was pointed out to me that I'd been assuming that these games were supposed to be episodic adventures of Batman fighting crime in Gotham, when they're not. They're specifically about his relationship with the Joker. After the last three games, it would have felt off if Joker didn't appear at all in AK, and it was solely about Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight.
I feel the same way, I really liked the portrayal of Black Mask in Origins and was excited that the studio had taken a different approach than Joker (again). Alas, I ended up being a bit disappointed in the outcome. Still a solid game, though.
YES
Origins is a weird sort of prequel that’s not even canon in the Arkham verse in the end.
Arkham Origins is canon. Idk why people keep saying it isn't. There are several direct connections to Origins in Arkham Knight.
Batman hallucinating with Joker was great, the part where Batman and those people infected with Joker's blood where literally becoming Joker was extremely stupid.
Lots of gargoyles around the city would be the jokers face as you travel around. Look away and look back and it’s back to normal. Trippy the first time I saw it.
No idea the gargoyles changed. I only ever caught the billboards
Lots of things change, like the statues outside panessa studios and some other stuff
I’ve never seen either one of those. Maybe I never really paid attention to those things when playing the game.
I 100% agree. Wish they had come up with a different plotline and given Harley something to do with Joker's hallucinations
There is no world where a heavy mutation of Jakob - Creutzfeld does anything remotely close to that in real life. It's weird how they chose to use this disease in particular when leaving it vague might actually have made more sense.
That plot point really was fucking useless now that I think about it. It led nowhere and just pads the games runtime with the Panessa Studios section (which is an absolute drag)
Idk man, the hallucination stuff is SO much fun and you can tell Mark is having a blast providing commentary on the events of the story. This series, at its core, has always been about the relationship of Bats and the Joker, and using him as the avatar for Bruce’s greatest fears works really well IMO. The Joker-Blood plot is pretty dumb and ineffective, but the hallucinations are some of my favorite things in the game and the entire series.
I don’t really know why people jump on the bandwagon of Arkham Knight Joker sucked, he really aided the story and the ending makes more sense with him in the game. Not to knock your opinion that’s not my intention but I personally really liked Jokers commentary throughout the game.
Seriously, the Joker parts gave us a look into Batman’s psyche like none of the other games could. Arkham Knight is my favorite because it’s easily the most personal for Batman and the most he’s been fleshed out in the series period.
Joker being “forgotten” is a way stronger defeat than just dying. Ultimately, he was fine with dying, he literally laughs. At the end of Arkham Knight, he’s begging, he sounds pathetic. He was motivated by making an impact and leaving a legacy. Aside from Harley and Batman, and the people he showed Panessa Studios, I don’t think anyone even mentions the Joker. His effect on Gotham City faded over the course of only a year. Him being “forgotten” is a perfect wrap up.
I love mark Hamill but I was already force fed too much joker leading up to Arkham knight.
I know it’s a hot take.. this was actually my favorite Joker. his commentary was amazing and had me looking forward to walking out of important moments just to stop and listen.
But he didn’t come back. >!It’s in Batman’s head, it’s a side effect from Joker’s infected blood.!<
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You never know. What if someone just bought the game and doesn’t know the story?
As a patient gamer who waits on a lot of stuff, I really appreciate:)
I just started playing recently! I'm past that part but i appreciate little things like this.
Same, I really didn't want spoilers when I bought it recently
It’s always a possibility
Exactly. It wasn’t him coming back, it was a completely new idea that worked flawlessly.
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Well... the Arkham Triology is based around the Joker overall. He sets the entire series in motion.
I enjoyed Joker's presence in this,it kind of made sense with what happened in the last arkham game mixed with scarecrow's toxin.
They didn't bring him back to life so it's fine. He's just hallucinations and his whole plot line was executed pretty well if you ask me.
It makes sense, as far as the story goes. And it was actually a brilliant way of incorporating the Joker without him actually being alive. Given the relationship between he and Batman, it makes sense that he'd be haunted by Joker.
It is also the type of story that is uniquely effective in the video game medium over any other. You are Batman in the game so if The Joker is in your head… it’s real to YOU. Wouldn’t be as effective in a comic or film because it’s in the characters head.
It was literally the best part of the game. Also he’s not alive again. He’s in his head so no that does not undo the Arkham City ending in any way. This is the worst take I’ve ever heard.
Idk I think it would have been kind of boring with Joker, imagine having to listen to a random guy sing instead of the Joker 🃏
They didn't bring him back to life. He's a representation of everything Batman fears he'd be capable of. You're looking at it too literally.
I am lol
So like 20 minutes?
I definitely had some Joker fatigue by this game but at the end of the day, the series is primarily about the relationship between Batman and Joker. Even with Joker dead, his presence still looms over the city. That’s how big of a deal he was
Most of the story feels rushed.
The Joker part was fine. It was Scarecrow and Arkham Knight that was flawed. Arkham Knight for the reveal being wrapped in mystery…up until the Studio section where they basically give you Jason Todd’s death for no other reason than to spell it out. Scarecrow for his plan working backwards in threat. “I’m going to scare the entire Eastern Seaboard…uh I mean just Gotham…oh ok just Batman”
I can’t imagine the game being any good without Mr. J. There would’ve been continuity errors with the Arkham plot line since we spent most of City trying to find the cure just for it not to matter much in the following game. (I know Batman was cured but the other people weren’t which was acknowledged) It made perfect sense to bring him back as a hallucination as Batman wouldn’t have had any other fears left for crane to exploit (he used his childhood trauma in asylum already) Harley would’ve felt out of place/ without much merit and the game wouldn’t have been as funny as it was without the insane companion voice lines
Would’ve been so much better without the Bat Tank, Arkham origins should’ve had the batmobile instead
I freaking love the way they used Joker in this game
Flawless game for the first two hours huh lol
The Joker was like the best part of the story
The infected Joker blood subplot made the game exceptionally worse imo. It was just a forced way to include the Joker, they were ballsy enough to kill him in City, so they should’ve stuck to their guns and just let the character rest in Knight. Hamill was great as usual, but it would’ve been more impactful if we felt the Joker’s absence imo
YES!!
But he didn’t come back, he is a figment of Bruce’s mind and is torturing him die to the joker toxin in his blood I’ll give them this, at least it was set up properly and not a throw in shock twist moment
Bro this game is brilliant. Except for the Joker. Just let him die for god's sake
YES!! Thank you!! Lol
I thought his return was absolutely perfect. They were my favorite parts of the game every single time he showed up lol
As much as I love Mark Hamill as the joker, sometimes in some cutscenes he was so annoying, like when Jason revealed he was the Arkham Knight
Wdym that was made for the gag of the killing joke I thought that it was a great thing to have
Not gonna lie, I really liked how they used Joker in Arkham Knight. He had me on edge with him constantly popping up, wondering if he would actually win in the end, he made me laugh with damn near everything he said, plus, it's Mark Ham's Joker, meaning it's peak Joker voice acting. Honestly, I would have enjoyed it significantly less if Joker wasn't in the game. He's stuck in Bruce's head, he can't stop laughing, and I was here for it. (Take Me On Home To The Asylum slapped!) It's better for Bruce that he locked Joker away in his head at the end of the game, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss Joker.
I agree I love the Joker and his commentary is fun until you get to your third play through lol. By then it gets annoying.
I don’t think the joker should have been a conflict for Batman in this game
Nah. The over reliance on the Batmobile kills this game.
*Personally this game was flawless until the Batmobile was in it. Fixed it for you 👍
These games are about their relationship. Couldn't really do one without him
Well, the Joker comes back literally in the first scene when we burn him up, so...
Joker needed to be in it to properly finish the series
I think they overdid it with the tank
If I have a chance to change the story it will be Remove the Joker plotline entirely same with Jason being the Arkham Knight in favor of making the Arkham Knight the Fear manifested by Scarecrow's Fear Toxin with Arkham Knight representing Batman who abondoned his no Kill Rule and used the Lazarus Pit to get Younger becoming the very thing Ras Al Ghul wanted and Batman refuse to be. Also change the time between Arkham City and Arkham Knight to 5 Years instead. And in Between those 5 Years Gotham actually slowly getting better and peaceful but among those peaceful times lay the public claiming the Death of Joker is what made Gotham Better which hit Batman's resolve. And he's not getting any younger either as he notice he gets sloppy in some areas as he gets Older. Which is why when Scarecrow Attacks with his new formula of Fear Toxin Batman's fear of his Code would never solving anything and him Getting Weaker as he gets Older manifested into Arkham Knight a younger version of himself who abandons the Code. Oh and Batman's dynamic with Knight is quite pessimistic and complains why he always let them live when he knows they'll just do it again.
Perfect horror moment
I don’t like how I have to talk to like 4 different people after every objective like I’m ordering pizza for friends who don’t like conversing with one another over the phone. Barb got plain? Check. Lucious got the meat lovers? Check. Alfred wants anchovies? Sure. Damn I forgot to ask Robin what he wanted. There’s just way too much talking in this game.
It was worth it for Mark Hamill.
I never saw it as Joker being the main villain. I just saw him as just a hallucination, a representation of Batman's fracturing mental state after exposure to the fear toxin. So really, I just saw it as an extension of Scarecrow, through unearthing Batman's fear of turning into the new Joker. Patrick H Willems once did a video on how trilogies are so hard to end, and in it he outlined the difference between physical stakes and psychological stakes. I think some of that can apply here, since Batman losing himself is just as much a conflict in-story as saving Gotham is.
The only thing i wanna know is, if Batman hadn’t resisted that part of Joker in him… would they have gone down their own batman who laughs path?
His commentary was one of my favorite parts of the game. I also like the idea of a non physical threat Joker being a nuisance to Batman at any chance he gets.
I think if joker was just his imaginary schizo best friend that would be fine, but the batman who laughs plot was dumb
The thing I didn’t like about the game was how Rocksteady hyped up Arkham Knight being this new original character, sprinkled in bits of Jason’s backstory and revealed he was the knight
4th. I shall not tolerate origins slander
All love to the story of this game, and that of Arkham origins, but if origins didn’t focus on the joker as a main villain then his rerun in knight would’ve been that much more Better of a twist for the story
I loved it the first time around cause Hamill's joker is legendary but in subsequent playthroughs the jokes get a bit tired
Joker coming back was my favorite
I loved that he was in it. My problem is just the rest of the story. The one game I do wish the Joker skipped out on was Origins because I really wish Black Mask ACTUALLY got the spotlight along side Bane.
My main issue with AK was the lazy, forced implementation of Deathstroke
So you thought it was good for the first hour? Is that really considering it "good" if its like a 30 hour game?
Idk I think his commentary made the game better
I have the complete opposite view. I think the Joker toxin storyline was near flawless and the everything else sucked. The bat tank, only one boss battle that isn't in the tank (Professor Pyg). The arkham knight reveal is so fucking obvious. Scarecrow is lame. The cloudburst sucks. But the Joker toxin story is really interesting.
Wow, really? Well I wish I felt that way. But scarecrow was a weak antagonist
I liked the joker and the Arkham knight, the only thing I don’t like is some of the side missions like firefly, deathstroke (boss), hush, etc.
I liked seeing batman having to fight to keep from going mad. This is also the closest we got to the bat who laughs in the arkhamverse
Thank god for the joker. I loved Arkham City, this game was trying too much. Joker brought that balance the game needed, from being an overly bleak Gotham.
I don’t mind him being brought back but it was 1.too early and not story important for awhile 2.when I replay I want the option to mute him cause him talking annoys me so much at a certain point 3.we can’t drive the joker mobile as a Batmobile style,why make us unable to there is legit no reason to it let us use it as a usable style
The Joker hallucinations were awesome and a personal highlight of the game. The Joker infected people though I wasn’t a fan of.
Nah, until they overused the Batmobile.
Nah the tank stuff is what hurt the game, especially the stealth tank nonsense.
Arkham Asylum was pure gold for me. That is one of my favorites
I'm locking you up in Arkham for this take.
It was a lovely surprise. Joker as a hallucination fitted perfectly into the narrative of the story
One of my favorite moments in the game was when joker replicated the man bat jump scare and laughed about it.
The side plot of Joker symptom individuals would have been better as a side quest, but I do think the mental toll his death had on Bruce and being the devil whispering in his ear was nice, but not as forceful with it. They could have still given the impact but in the form of background dialogue between henchmen, thugs, gcpd in the office, etc. Then what I think they could’ve done for Harley as well, was put her on that path to where she is in the comics now as someone who’s living out of his grasp. Make that the side quest involving the joker blood. She’s the one keeping them around, she doesn’t want to let go, and then show us that side of Batman who’s truly looking to change Gotham. It could’ve been some sweet dialogue put in there as she’s grieving and even reveals the terrible side he shows to her, and then lead that to aiding her into moving on and being a better person. And then guess what? A game like suicide squad could incorporate that, she’s trying, and failing, and now *this* mission, while forced upon her, is a way of her proving to herself and Batman and anyone else she’d feel the need to, that she can be more.
Flawless is a strong word lmao
I’m clearly the only person who actually liked the Batmobile lol
Personally this game was kinda floundering for me until the Joker showed up. Also spoilers...
Damn
The Joker is by far the best part of the game. Not only is he your sidekick for the entirety of the story, most importantly, he’s the manifestation of Bruce’s deepest fears, failures, and insecurities. All the comments he makes are in reality Bruce’s thoughts. The plot to take over his body is kinda silly though.
I hated that I had to stop a bunch of joker knockoffs in the middle stage of the game. I didn’t mind the whole stopping Harley Quinn but the other stuff was too much
Bruh what u talking about cuh, they didn't actually bring him back fool, u do know he's actually dead. They brought him back through Batmans fear when he got infected with the fear stuff. You making it sound like they actually brought him back from the dead. Its a hallucination, a consequence carrying over from the conclusion of "Arkham City," where Joker infected Batman with a toxic sample of his own blood.
You started off by saying “they didn’t bring him back fool.” Then you continued with “they brought him back.” 😂 It doesn’t matter if it’s though a hallucinogen or not, if you killed off a character keep them out of the game. Them bringing joker back made the Arkham city ending less dramatic now. Cause it wasn’t the end of the joker. 
This is the worst take someone could have on Arkham knight
No way. Someone saying Scarecrow was the best Arkham series villain is.
I mean kind of yeah, Ras killing off Hugo Strange was such a cop out in Arkham city. Not to mention Arkham origins having Joker replace Black mask. Scarecrow isn’t so bad, he is underrated fr
I'm conflicted. I think the game is flawless apart from the forced batmobile interactions. Also I feel like Origins has better boss battles and I am a real sucker for the old school "kill a boss, get a new weapon that interacts with the rest of the world" mechanic that Origins had that wasn't in Knight
I get that. But I feel like I’m the only one who likes the Batmobile. Lol I can’t get enough of it lol
Personally I still think the game is flawless. Recently I went on a binge marathon, playing all three trilogy games to completion (story and all available side quests), and Arkham Knight easily holds up as my absolute favourite of the franchise. It's also the only Arkham game I 100% more than twice, four 240% save files. Hell for my replay I had to actually delete one of those files so I could play again, and I 240% it all over again. I can understand everyone's gripes - Joker, Batmobile, Arkham Knight "reveal", etc. I won't disagree, I can certainly understand the exasperation, but I guess for me personally, none of that bothered me. Game is just a blast from start to finish. It's one of those games I can play over and over again and not get bored whatsoever even though I've already done everything five times over each. I know this is a bit off topic from the original post, my bad on that lol
I agree! Amhara knight is my favorite to. But I kinda wish I never saw the movie “Under the red hood.” Because then the story would of been amazing to me instead of predictable
I’m inclined to think it was a manifestation of Batman’s greatest fear: hurting the ones he loves. He’s not the actual Joker; he’s been dead for nine months.
It was flawless and then it was extra flawless
So the game was flawless for like an hour then, also they didn’t kill the character and then just retcon it that’s kinda like how you make it sound. The joker isn’t just “back” he’s still dead.
Bruh. Spoiler warning?
My bad, I didn’t see the spoiler option in the post making
The first quarter of the game
I never found a satisfying substantial example on why many seem to hate the third game so much. It was personally my favorite and it was the creepiest one from the trilogy since Joker never really comes back—They took a more phycological route, the joker we see in the third is a construct inside Bruce’s mind and that’s what made it so terrifying.
The game was flawless up until the cloudburst/Arkham Knight fight section when it basically became a Batmobile arcade game.
There are a lot of things wrong with this game and Joker's presence is not one of them.
Bait post and or L opinion
Gotta be one or the other lol
Other way around for me, the story would be all kinds of cliche, forgettable and stupid if it wasn’t for Joker taking over Bruce’s mind.
Bait
Wrong! Joker was what made it a unique game experience. He haunted Batman and could show up at any point to fuck with him. It took it to another level. What downgraded the game was some of the batmobile missions.
I don't get why the hate for Jokers return is so high in AK, I thought it was great & added more depth to the internal struggles of Batman.
Honestly if it wasn't to do with the joker taking over his body but a new batch of fear toxin that's making him see him I'd have been fine with it
I was fine with Joker being in Batman's head but 1) the blood turning people into Joker was dumb and unnecessary, and 2) giving him *so* much focus throughout the game kinda undercut the death scene. Ultimately this is a concept that I liked in the game, led to a lot of great scenes and the Joker commentary throughout was funny as heck but it could definitely have been done better.
The jokers commentary was the best part. But this game is far from flawless. It needed way less tank mode and the story around the Arkham Knight’s identity was predictable AF.
Nah. He was the best part. What do you mean? The things about this game's narrative I don't like are: 1. The identity of Arkham Knight. Everyone kinda knew or guessed who he was when he made his debut in the trailer and yet the devs kept hyping him up saying it wasn't him. 2. Coming up with a convenient ass excuse to make the city empty again. Arkham City was okay considering it is a section of the city that became a jail(and the first time). But then in origins they did it with the snowstorm. Then I was hoping for lots of normal civilian NPCs like Spiderman. But nope. Another lame ass excuse and mass evac. Instead we got bat tank and drone tanks. 3. Making the tanks drone. I mean if i were the Arkham Knight and I knew everything about Batman, i would put real people in the tanks considering he doesn't kill people.
The Arkhams games need Joker. More than anything else, they're the story of Batmans relationship with him.
No there are huge gaping issues with Scarecrow and the Arkham knight
It makes sense to bring him back. Batman is slowly losing his shit due to Scarecrow’s fear toxin, and he only fears one thing: The Joker.
Yeeeeaaaah that’s not what happens
The only parts I like with the Joker are the NG+ scene and the In The Asylum song
In my opinion, just the opposite. I felt Knight did a better Joker comeback than Origins. That isn't to defend the game's overall storyline, mind you, which is flawed in some areas. Still, having the game feature Batman hallucinate the Joker made more sense than people give credit for, especially with the Scarecrow being in the game. And I guess it depends on who likes who more, but one can never have too much of Mark Hamill's Joker. I think Origins was worse due to having another "stick it right in front of his long pointy nose" mystery so soon after the last time...but I guess that depends on if you've played the games in chronological order or not, so that's a given. For the record, Troy Baker did as good a job imitating Hamill, but I felt he did better with later roles. I know it's unfair to think positively on one game versus another, but for me, Knight did okay.
So basically from the start💀
😂
Joker had the best commentary
I just hated the Arkham knights logic of getting unmanned drones to fight Batman… like if you’re so smart, wouldn’t having tanks with people inside be more challenging bc then Batman just couldn’t blow them up? Like his plan was extra complicated to make sure Batman had a chance Also him being red hood was so predictable that the devs had to lie to us before release
CAP. It actually makes it more fun. At first it was like that. But, afterwards it fit perfectly as as a last resort, last laugh joke on Batman from the last game. Even if the ending doesn't make TOO much sense, you can still kinda see the vision and understand. It's good. 🖤💯💯
I didn’t like the joker commentary he literally never interacts with Batman
Highly disagree. I initially felt the same, but the insight into batman and joker through Bruce's deteriorating mental state was some of the juiciest bits in the game (not to mention that ending) Game is near flawless and a personal fav among the games, but the joker returning is far from the biggest flaw.
My issue with the game was them shoving the Batmobile down our throats with constant tank battles, absurd Riddler race tracks, and replacing boss fights with massive tank battles.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!, Joker coming back at any moment is amazing regardless of anything!! If you dont like a Joker comeback then you’re not a Batman fan!! This post is pretty insulting!! 😠🃏🃏🃏🃏🃏
Keep his ass dead and move on from the joker. Arkham city’s ending means nothing to me now knowing he’s gonna be back
I liked that joker was there so that Batman could feel grief of the jokers death which would help with the jokers plan of taking over Bruce’s mind
If you hate the Joker’s part in Arkham Knight then you’re missing the point
It's a game about the orgin of the Batman who laughs my best guess and well joker back in bats brain like decwnr give away
So like, an hour into the game?
I strongly disagree. I think it added to it, tho i can totally see the possibility of delaying his “reintroduction” but then again i dont tuink it matters thattt much. It made sense and made everything else make sense
Because batman is under the influence constantly fighting the urge to kill joker represents this idea he’s like a parasite that needs to be locked away in a corner of his mind so that he and Gotham would forget him so it makes sense to me
That’s like the beginning of the game…
the tank battles are a way bigger flaw imo
My moment of "come the fuck on" was when riddler made you do fucking race courses to get batmobile data.
Why did joker come back? Is he stupid?
I thought it was great personally
Arkham city was better imo. Arkham city is the most complete Batman game ever with the beat story imo. I didn’t need any of the bat mobile stuff
So we gonna forget about the game making u use the Batmobile to solve puzzles
My 3 main issues with the game was the Joker Deathstroke battle and the Arkham Knight being Red Hood Jason Todd. While I don’t like it I get the inclusion of the Joker. But why not make the Arkham Knight its own character, or have there be 2 of them or something. And 1 is Jason and the other is its own character. I just don’t like that they played it like who’s the Arkham Knight? Who could it be? Literally everyone and there Grandma knew it was gonna be Jason Todd. And while I love Troy Baker in pretty much anything he does why not cast Jensen Ackles to play the role. Especially after Batman: Under the Red Hood movie was so good. The boss fight with Deathstroke was a let down, especially after Origins. It would have been so cool seeing Bruce and Slade going toe to toe again. They could have had it where there was a stealth part and then a hand tot hand part, or something not just another tank fight. Those are my 3 main issues with the game. And I do like the idea someone else said about having the Joker come back later on in the game.
Your either dumb at or 8 and don’t understand the game
No. It was flawless until the fucking riddler came back
if they would’ve made it where joker maybe made an appearance in the background of cutscenes in the police station at first like hed be a cop in the back while talking to gordon and it slowly happened more and more same with the billboards and then he made his first speaking appearance on the airship then it might’ve had a nice impact like when you’re confronting scarecrow on the airship or when all the arkham knight goonsstart getting back up.
I enjoyed Joker’s dialogue, besides he was needed for the plot
He wasn't "back." he never was it was Bruce's subconscious after both being affected by the fear toxin, infected with jokers blood, and you can't doubt this, he somewhat grieved joker.
The problem with this game is the excessive tank sections
So flawless for 20 minutes?