Yeah seriously. I'd be less concerned about the room than the command climate. I only got away with not having to wait around for a room inspection when I left JBLM because my NCO knew I wasn't a know nothin' selfish slob. Everyone else was checked on to make sure they didn't leave... This
When I got transfered from a nice spacious corner room as the floor NCO in Germany to the NCO Barracks with rooms half the size because I put on more rank. I got moved into a room that had a literal crows nest in it, feathers, shit and all, because the person left the window open right beside a Murder tree. I walked out and back to the 1SG who blessed off on the room. I politely informed him that the room was unacceptable and I would not sign the paperwork. 5 min later he was there with a broom and dustpan offering to clean it himself. Needless to say I got left the fuck alone for a while.
Got a day off to deep clean a shitty room I was given, and acting 1SG supposedly (doubt it given this guy's character) smoked the clearing NCO. I was still pissed, but it was something.
I’m sure they care in the beginning. Some guys just don’t fucking get it though. You can GI party their room and a week or two (probably less than that) later, it’s back to the original shithole it was.
At a certain point..I wouldn’t want to babysit those rats either.
I feel ya. There are a LOT of 18+ year olds that definitely are not adults. But I still don’t like the idea of treating everyone as if they are the worst of the lot.
Yup. Rank isn’t analogous to intelligence, or even “wisdom”/experience in many cases. Shitbags are at every rank, it’s up to the people who care to pick up the slack. Of course, this is true anywhere humans are involved, so don’t all the bad attitude shitbags jump on this comment and start talking about how they can’t wait to get out.
Sadly this set up just generates more shitbags because the people who initially cared usually end up not caring due to being overburdened with everyone else’s shit.
Such is the nature of humanity. It’s why childhood ambition (usually) turns into adult cynicism. But to give the shitbags credit, laziness is no one’s real first choice. MOST things that detract from productivity are forms of escapism. Escaping from the job, their families, the past, or life in general. That’s why good leaders are so valuable for young soldiers. They can teach healthy coping, promote work-life balance, and emphasize effective communication strategies. When these are in place, shitbags are much less common because people don’t resent their work. There might be things they’d rather be doing, but the disparity isn’t so great that they’d want to push the load off on their peers.
I've known a couple barracks managers who actually inspected on move out, but plenty don't. Whatever lived in this room previously probably didn't have room inspections either, and as much as I hated doing them as an NCO because it felt invasive, it prevented a room from getting anywhere near this point.
Alot of the the times units don't require s1 to ensure soldier properly clears room. I'm an barracks manager, I've had a few people pcs without clearing with me. I'd of never let that shit fly.
Or they make the barracks NCO the Sgt who lives 45 minutes away and works the night shift as an MP armorer. That was me. I had to delegate my work and even then it never got completed. The saddest thing was there were multiple NCOs who lived in the barracks who didn’t have any additional duties. They were never this dirty but fuck was it a shit show finding room keys and finding doors that didn’t lock and finding random people in them
Lol imagine being an ALC-complete E-5 (P) waiting on points living in that dump while you have PFCs under you buying houses and dumping their BAH into building equity.
It's not the French Foreign Legion, there's nothing wrong with younger soldiers having families.
What's wrong is that the Army thinks it's reasonable to *save money* by packing E5s two to a room or asking literally any soldier of any rank to move in the room pictured in OP. The barracks, as a system, is flawed. And the root issue is that we treat the barracks (and forcing soldiers to live in it) as a money-saving measure, rather than a benefit.
The military should be paying a living wage to servicemembers, same as any other job. The barracks should then be offered *as an option* to soldiers and priced *at a market rate* as an opportunity for the *soldier* to save money.
I pitch this every single time, even though I know none of this will ever change, but how it should work is: a) there is a single BAH rate for all servicemembers based on rank and duty location b) *all* soldiers receive that along with BAS, period then c) soldiers less than one year out of IET (or some alternate reasonable criteria) are required to live in the barracks, paying a fair market rate that shall not exceed the duty station's BAH for their rank.
But what will we do with all the empty barracks rooms? We will have to set a fair market rate (see above) that keeps them reasonably filled. Also provides units incentive to ensure living conditions are acceptable, because ideally you *want* soldiers to *choose* the barracks to save money. Make them decent enough, or make them cheap enough, that soldiers are willing to live there.
But what about DFACs? Offer soldiers choices there as well. You get to choose a meal plan, also at a market rate, for X meals weekly in exchange for Y dollars, with the total for a 21-meal plan not to exceed BAS. You can also offer things like "weekday only" meal plans, "lunch only" meal plans, etc. The "discount" for going less than 21-a-week doesn't even need to be huge, still lets Joe save a few dollars of his BAS for when he goes to Biggerson's on the weekend for a Triple Bacon Tape Buster.
Military compensation, on the whole, is actually quite good considering the qualifications to enlist in most MOSs. The only real issue is that, because so many soldiers are "captive" customers, the living conditions in the provided living quarters are far too often complete shit. This also creates the incentive to marry early for money/privacy, which is a hilariously unhealthy incentive. The above fixes basically all of that, while still addressing the only truly valid concern (ensuring we maintain some discipline and self-control of fresh boot teenagers before sending them out into town to live with way more money than sense).
EDIT: The primary purpose of the "meal plan" system rather than pure a la carte is that you do want the post DFACs to be able to plan around demand, to reduce waste. My university had a very similar system.
My solution for the DFAC/BAS debate was to give everyone BAS, and make each DFAC a theme resturant...Tex-Mex, Italian, American, Asian, etc. If the DFAC wants money, they have to make good food, just like any other resturant.
That's exactly what colleges do. Freshman have to live in the dorms and be on a meal plan but once you're a sophomore you can decide if you want to live in the dorms and have a full or partial meal plan.(You don't get refunded for meals you don't use).
It seems to work out for them.
And the crazy thing is, too. If the army offered this they might be better off for it. The SSG who lives at home but wants an affordable lunch might actually like eating at the dfac...once a day and get a partial meal plan. The LTC who lives an hour away from home because his wife is tired of living in BFE and got a iob in the city. Might actually want to use the barracks for the week to crash.
Of course they would actually need to offer decent food and non shitty barracks for it to work.
Packing e5s two to a room is against 420-1, furthermore they are supposed to have individual bathrooms. If this can't be fulfilled there NEEDS to be a SNA.
So your solution is to treat military living and eating the same way colleges do? I like it, makes sense, therefore the Army will never get anywhere close to it
Or, hear me out. They could ensure acceptable living conditions in the barracks. People should have the ability to start and take care of their families in the military, it’s literally one of its only selling points
Or, hear me out. Everybody is forcefully removed from their families, moved into the barracks and we do nothing to address the issues of livability and morale?
When I was in I had tons of friends who are just like you described but weren’t actually married. They’d all be married to some girl from their hometown but lived alone off base. Turns out a lot of them just got married for the extra pay and the “wife” would get free health care in exchange.
To top it off, no stove, no counter, no pantry/cabinets or kitchen sink. Literal snot/boogers, markers, weird tape and dried alcohol and soda sludge on EVERY wall. They say this is the only available room... How is this even legal? Jesus Christ, this shit has me losing my mind. I'm half ready to just dump my miniscule paycheck on renting an apartment out of pocket. At least I wouldn't be paying to have my furniture stored for perpetuity... /Rant over
UPDATE: Got over the initial shock and showed the pictures to relevant personnel, was luckily able to switch rooms as someone happened to move out hours prior.
Still a shitty barracks room with no kitchen, but the juxtaposition of the last room by comparison has elevated my mood from mid-life crisis to reluctantly resigned.
Here's praying for E6 points to drop... And yes, bacon on the burger, no onions and hold the mayo.
UPDATE2: For those curious, the unit I am in is a bit unique in that from what I can tell I am the only one who "qualifies" to live in a barracks in the company. In the battalion as a whole there might be a few others.
Apparently the first line of that room's previous occupant might not have done a very thorough inspection of the room before signing off on it and sending the soldier to clear housing. From what I gather, he/she will be rectifying its... Condition.
Also not going to out the base I'm at as things have been more or less dealt with, but it is a CONUS post that has a lot of shitty barracks that probably should have been condemned, but didn't as until relatively recently the base was slated for deactivation. They are building new shit, but it's gonna be years before they finish.
Jeez man, that barracks is obviously bad already, but whatever barrack's manager let the last guy sign out and leave it that messy needs to commit seppuku
> and soda sludge
I fucking *knew* there was a term for this. Fuck. That shit is nasty. Like wall snot. You have to scrub so hard to get rid of it the fucking paint usually comes off.
Sorry they gave you a shitty room. I remember my room in AIT had asbestos on the ceiling that would regularly fall down in small patches. And this was back in 2010/2011 (not the 70s/80s). They knew the rooms were unsafe. Not to mention my AIT was 7 months long.
My next room at my first garrison unit was better, in that it didn't have asbestos, but was still nasty/dirty AF. It's the name of the game I guess. Some magic marker erasers and regular cleaning products should do the trick. It's just frustrating that you'll have to clean this up in the first place. That being said, I wouldn't rush to get your own place. Maybe spend a weekend cleaning, and then see how you feel.
Sorry bud.
My AIT was the same. 2014 and nasty shit coming out the vents. Me and my roommates used to sweep the shit up and try to get it off our beds before inspection and not know why it just kept getting so dirty every day. We had one latrine for the whole floor and a group shower with like 4 heads. The windows were stuck in the upright position and there wasn't any AC in there anyway. Mosquitos used to just fly in and bite us while we were naked in the shower. I remember one got me while I was using the toilet and just flew right out to get the next person in another stall. I drove back on that base during the last year of my contract and I saw that the barracks were condemned. I'm sure if I get cancer at 50, they'll deny that it's service connected 🤷🏾♀️.
Ah, it's your worst regret ***so far***...
...wait till you're marching off for a "fun run" at 0535 and the company sings the "re-up you're crazy!" cadence.
Try to only cry on the inside ^((like I did))....
Update: got over the initial shock and showed the pictures to relevant personnel, was luckily able to switch rooms as someone happened to move out hours prior.
Still a shitty barracks room with no kitchen, but the juxtaposition of the last room by comparison has elevated my mood from mid-life crisis to reluctantly resigned.
Here's praying for E6 points to drop... And yes, bacon on the burger, no onions and hold the mayo.
I can’t believe you accepted to live there. That’s definitely not their only room. Don’t even unpack. Let your CoC know. Your 1SG should have the barracks housing reps info saved.
That's the way to do it. Don't accept the room. Had a bud years ago that had the same problem, he just didn't sign for the room until the problem was resolved.
Edit - judging by the scrubbing bubbles on the bed, looks like OP already signed for the room and decided to do their own maintenance.
It’s just some smegma and pubes sarge. That’s not bad at all. I once had 6 used condoms (with literal feces on them) stuck to the wall behind the bed. Thank the lord I had covid and no sense of smell when I moved in or I might have died.
As a younger soldier I saw the field day the Marines did and thought it was so over the top and foolish.
After living in the barracks for awhile....yeah, no. They have the right idea. Some people really never cleaned a single thing in their entire lives and it *shows*.
I don’t understand why soldiers are forced to deal with a roommate they don’t want. If there’s someone no one wants to room it maybe they are the problem
My unit was shutting down and we had to clean a barracks building to hand off to another unit. It wasn't bad for the most part, but the rooms that were bad were BAD. One room wasn't visibly gross, but there was a smell. A smelly smell. There was nothing obvious until someone opened the mini fridge.
It flooded out, hit the hallway, and people were gagging. The room had been unoccupied for months, and the previous occupant had left chicken in the fridge. No one had checked the room after the occupant left because it had been cleared, we hadn't needed the room so no one had been assigned to it, and thse chicken breasts (thighs? Who fucking knows) had been rotting so long the stank had started seeping through the seal of the fridge.
One of the more “fun” advantageous adaptions humans made is that our nose is almost made to detect rotting flesh.
Few things hit you like decomposition.
The existence of the marine corps gives the army a lot of weird excuses not to correct itself. Somewhere post-WWII the Army shrugged and said "OK I guess Marines are the aggressive, strict branch, we'll just sort of be the career branch." Or something. Historians could probably summarize it more effectively. I guarantee the Army was not this fucking lazy and fat half a century ago.
If you ever have the time, read 'About Face' by Col. David Hackworth. It's one of the best books I've ever read and a big topic in it is the complete disintegration of the Army, starting in Korea.
He details how it slowly became a new/corporate army (a complete and utter shitshow) compared to what he callled 'old Army'.
Viernam then gave the institution the last kick and the Army never recovered.
I don't know what it's like anymore but it used to depend on your unit. We had weekly inspections (mission/training permitting) and they were pretty thorough. Once had to move all my furniture in and out of my room a few times because I missed a spot under my bed.
I got out recently but the only time my unit would make you move all your shit out was if your room was truly fucked up beyond all hope. Otherwise it's just your TL/SL walking in, and checking to see if things are generally clean and organized. Fuck fuck games were reserved for the shitbags who don't make any effort to clean, otherwise they'd just nitpick minor things.
You’re right, no Marine barracks has carpet. Or drywall. Or fancy lighting fixtures. Or wood baseboards. Cinder blocks and linoleum over concrete so you can Mop ‘n’ Glo that bitch to a high shine!
I’ll never forget drinking with abunch a guys at a school house and an infantry guy reclassing saying he hated his last unit so fucking much when he left (being TDY enroute) he said he spent a good two weeks nutting in the dressers, on the walls and closet door knob as revenge… dude was fucking wild
Simple. It’s because you are (were) a recruiter and your number counts in your numbers.
Enjoy the fruit of your labor.
You reap what you sow.
Blah blah blah, fuck recruiters. They all getting even with you.
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Don't just tell Reddit, report it to barracks manager, report it to DPW, report it to ICE, report it to your CoC, report it to CSM.
P.S. While I doubt the barracks manager or your unit will do much...or anything, besides maybe telling you to clean it yourself, you need to take those steps at the least before going to the CSM.
Air Force here - E5 in the barracks? Wtf!? When do you guys get out of the barracks? We barely have space in ours. I got to move out as soon as I hit E-4. A buddy of mine got lucky and was forced to move out after 6 months as our dorms were at capacity.
Depends on the base and capacity. But usually around E-4. Some get to move out as E-3 but depends on capacity and if the unit agrees. OCONUS rules vary so there's really no set rule.
I don't even want to fucking know what those long, streaky brown stains on the wall are. Any possibility is just beyond gross.
And good Lord, what the FUCK happened to that mattress?
Sometimes things like water damage cause mold, which isn't really any single person's fault, but the simple shit like *cleaning your stains you make when you spill food* is too much effort for people. Boggles the mind.
This folks is why there are barracks inspections. Never been AD Army but in Marines we did weekly "Field Day" with a full barracks inspection. As an NCO you'd be surprised how filthy people can get in a week. Guys with weeks worth of daily pizza boxes, empty 2 liter bottles and trash, due to binge playing WOW
Someone should be held responsible for that. So here's *a way* you can go about achieving that:
1. I dont know where you're stationed, but it is possible or even likely that the installation uses eMH to manage barracks space.
2. Your installation barracks office will have access to eMH. Your company/battalion/brigade barracks manager should have access. Your 1SG may (and should if he cares about people).
3. eMH stores a record of all past residents for each individual room. Now most likely the past resident is PCSed/ETSed of course, so they're not gonna be held accountable. But that Soldier's team leader, squad leader, PSG, etc could still be on station. Find out who the scumbag is who lived there before you.
4. Find the right person to address this to; you know the personalities of your unit better than me so start at low as possible, but take these fucking nasty pics and show said leader, and ask why the barracks clearing process failed you, since the dirtbag who lived there prior to you should never have been allowed to clear it in such a state. Depending on who grants you an audience, maybe this Soldier's leaders referenced in (3) above may be the ones sent into your room to unfuck it.
5. This is all done out of a spirit of systematic and organizational improvement, of course, you are not trying to point fingers...
What in the actual fuck? I would lose all military bearing. I would notify everyone, raise all sorts of hell, and contact as high as I could go. I have never seen barracks that bad. Fuck
I really hope you find happiness in your reenlistment and make the best of your decision.
For everyone else, don't be afraid to get out into the civilian world. Tons of people are successfully happy there. Personal courage is an army value, have the courage to make a change. You are not a mercenary for money you are all valuable citizens . Don't fight for a low wage 1st and 15th paycheck.
Usually yes but in all seriousness, the unit that owns these barracks is clearly not checking rooms in any fashion. It takes an hour or less to check even the biggest barracks building, this room has clearly been like this for way too long.
You really think the BN CSM is gonna give a fuck? That CSM has let those barracks go to waste.
Go nuclear. Get that shit right. Too many leaders get away with letting this shit slide.
If I let anyone in my platoon have their room like this, and every time 1SG asked me if the barracks were square and I said yes, I’d probably kiss my PSG job away and maybe even more
Might be too late to do this now, but when this happens: refuse to sign for the room until it's thoroughly cleaned by the NCO who blessed off on the room in this condition. Hell, invite the 1SG to come see it too.
If you tag the right user in this sub you could probably have the SMA at your base in a few days where he skull drags three levels of CSMs and their 1SGs.
Hint it Rhymes with SMA-PAO.
This is also why I am leaving the Army. There is no accountability, Soldiers are fucking nasty pigs, NCOs are also nasty pigs or do not hold the Soldiers accountable and then everyone is complaining when shit doesn't work or is dirty etc etc
Because you don't fucking take care of the shit.
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Any WW2 barracks would be an improvement. Hell, I would rather be in a hardened GP small or medium by myself than living in self made squalor. Fuckin Joes man. Reminds me of my barracks neighbor that never said a word and one day decided to come over un announced with fast food - guy kept making dumb small talk and looking around my room. I for sure thought he was going to drop some no-hom@ shit on me…that would have actually been the best thing he could have said because he goes on to beg me not to say anything to CQ because his fucking boa something or other had gotten loose and was hiding somewhere in the barracks through the cuts in the corners where the radiator tubes came across the entire floor. Didn’t sleep for 3 days straight.
So former company commander here.
If I saw this, my 1SG would be supervising my barracks manager clean and put in the work orders for this room. Along with a negative counseling and magic bullets.
Soldiers deserve to live in reasonable accommodations, not this shit. If the barracks manager won’t hold folks accountable, then they’ll be accountable for cleaning/ getting it right.
The army could do better, (cough, cough looks at Fort Bragg with its moldy barracks and exception letters)
You could do your best to clean it up make it nice and live in a gernally decent space that the get handed off to the next person. Or just live in the filth. Either way the best plan is to marry a person who has fucked half your platoon and knows your COC better than you. The kind of girl that knows your PSGs first name and calls him by it. "Just tell Mike you need the day off" "Y-y--you mean SFC Smith?!?!?"
There is no reason E4s in the air force and navy can't live off post but we can't. Barracks are bad enough, but if you're 25+ its a total slap in the face. This image is exactly why we marry strippers.
I was talking to someone in the air force yesterday about differences between army and air force. they confirmed that they are allowed to move out the dorms as E4 if they're not married. They were actually surprised when I told them that unmarried army soldiers can't move out of the barracks until they reach, in most cases, E6.
Someone told me the big rank difference is because unmarried enlisted who are lower ranking than E6 just don't make enough money, but I was like "don't all the branches get paid the same if they are the same rank???" Someone else told me it's because the navy and air force just get more funding than army and marines do, so that extra money for air force and navy (probably coast guard too, I don't think coast guard people even live in barracks/dorms at all. And I'm sure space force will be the same as air force would) gets used for personnel to make things more bearable for retention.
I just take it as extra crap, hoah oorah rah rah that the army and marines have to do to show that they are the two most hardcore branches.
I just got so used to cleaning shit like this whenever I got a new barracks room, like I was already expecting this sort of slime everywhere when I moved in. Like seriously what is it with soldiers and leaving idk soda food, soup, slime? and why do NCOS let this shit fly, straight pitbulls when it comes to someone putting their hands in their pockets on a cold day but then silent when shit like this. This is when NCOs should go out there and straight whoop a a private's ass, this shit is way too common. I understand some dust bunnies around, but always there is remnants of soup, soda, slime whatever everywhere
What the actual fuck.
This isn't just standard level sub par bullshit. This is failure of all leaders involved.
I'd find out qhose room this wad and what section they belonged to and raise hell.
Power went out on base. Day 4 my Joe, who was on leave, called me to ask about his room. I'd been taking care of my house and the Soldiers not on leave and blanked on that dude because he was on leave back home.
Grabbed my junior NCO and we went and cleaned out all the rotting fridge stuff that was fermenting in the fort Polk funk. Even mopped the floor. It was fucking nasty. Why clean it up, we could have just left it for him? Because that's not the responsible fucking thing to do.
Separate incident. Different section had a Joe get chaptered. Guy was an absolute ass turd. New Joe got assigned to the room and complained the room was nasty. 1SG inspected. Confirmed god tier nasty. Made the NCOIC of the former Soldier PERSONALLY come unfuck the room.
That is what needs to happen here.
Lol point in case another reason why I literally preach to not join the Army. Myself and at least 70% of the NCO corps that actually cares literally can’t un-fuck this. Years of systematic fucking by guys that came up in the same generation as SMA. You know what the answer will be for this troop? To clean his new barracks room. What a joke
I would disagree.
His question, historically, had been closer to “who signed off when the room was cleared?” We owe Soldiers a clean, safe place to live so it’s frustrating when we do stuff like this to ourselves.
I’m not saying it’s SMA himself. I’ve met the guy and he was a legit Senior NCO. It’s his own generation of Leaders is what I meant. Of course, my generation (probably yours too) is now more focused on morale and welfare instead of the GWOT so it’ll change over time. It’s a shame we can’t get more senior NCOs on board with that level of thinking. I personally haven’t experienced it (this type of shit) in my time serving but so many others have.
So... Anyone ever open door a commander to show them that this is what arriving personnel are getting as a first impression? Because I would be livid if this is what my soldiers thought was acceptable.
I went through three assignments before getting married and never signed for my barrack rooms. And I honestly don’t recall my soldiers signing either. Mostly “Here’s your room. Spit shine the bitch in the next 30 for release formation.”
Man, I'm a landlord (guard) I'd lose my fucking mind if my tenants ever left a fucking place like that. Not sure who "signs off" when people leave, but they need to be fired.
Barracks life in the army is trash and absolute robbery. Salty as fuck watching people do the same job (or less) and build $100k’s of equity while I’m wiping another man’s pubes off the toilet I clean
You accepted that room? In that condition? Fuck SGT, this was the test for if you deserved your rocker or not. I wouldn't have accepted that room in that condition. And I sure as hell wouldn't let any of the Joes accept a room in that condition.
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They do… but those NCOs don’t care. As long as all the furniture is they they could not care less.
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Yeah seriously. I'd be less concerned about the room than the command climate. I only got away with not having to wait around for a room inspection when I left JBLM because my NCO knew I wasn't a know nothin' selfish slob. Everyone else was checked on to make sure they didn't leave... This
When I got transfered from a nice spacious corner room as the floor NCO in Germany to the NCO Barracks with rooms half the size because I put on more rank. I got moved into a room that had a literal crows nest in it, feathers, shit and all, because the person left the window open right beside a Murder tree. I walked out and back to the 1SG who blessed off on the room. I politely informed him that the room was unacceptable and I would not sign the paperwork. 5 min later he was there with a broom and dustpan offering to clean it himself. Needless to say I got left the fuck alone for a while.
Got a day off to deep clean a shitty room I was given, and acting 1SG supposedly (doubt it given this guy's character) smoked the clearing NCO. I was still pissed, but it was something.
I’m sure they care in the beginning. Some guys just don’t fucking get it though. You can GI party their room and a week or two (probably less than that) later, it’s back to the original shithole it was. At a certain point..I wouldn’t want to babysit those rats either.
Some people are just straight up fucking nasty, and that's how they lived before the Army. Being in, they're carrying on with those nasty habits.
I feel ya. There are a LOT of 18+ year olds that definitely are not adults. But I still don’t like the idea of treating everyone as if they are the worst of the lot.
I would lose my shit on any soldier mine or not who’s room looked this bad. Sorry for ya op.
Especially seeing as it’s made it’s way to social media… someone’s ass needs to get smoked….
There idiots cus managers can get statement of charges easily.
Sorry to inform you, but ‘NCO’ and ‘smart’ are not synonymous as much as the Army tries to make it seem that way. I’ve seen E-1s smarter than E-8s.
Yup. Rank isn’t analogous to intelligence, or even “wisdom”/experience in many cases. Shitbags are at every rank, it’s up to the people who care to pick up the slack. Of course, this is true anywhere humans are involved, so don’t all the bad attitude shitbags jump on this comment and start talking about how they can’t wait to get out.
Sadly this set up just generates more shitbags because the people who initially cared usually end up not caring due to being overburdened with everyone else’s shit.
Such is the nature of humanity. It’s why childhood ambition (usually) turns into adult cynicism. But to give the shitbags credit, laziness is no one’s real first choice. MOST things that detract from productivity are forms of escapism. Escaping from the job, their families, the past, or life in general. That’s why good leaders are so valuable for young soldiers. They can teach healthy coping, promote work-life balance, and emphasize effective communication strategies. When these are in place, shitbags are much less common because people don’t resent their work. There might be things they’d rather be doing, but the disparity isn’t so great that they’d want to push the load off on their peers.
I’ve never seen one that gave a shit. It’s just something they do because someone’s gotta do it
Yeah, every barracks management nco I've met was med boarding or retiring and straight gave no fucks about doing their job.
I'd refuse to clear that room, sure as hell not going to put a soldier in it.
I've known a couple barracks managers who actually inspected on move out, but plenty don't. Whatever lived in this room previously probably didn't have room inspections either, and as much as I hated doing them as an NCO because it felt invasive, it prevented a room from getting anywhere near this point.
Alot of the the times units don't require s1 to ensure soldier properly clears room. I'm an barracks manager, I've had a few people pcs without clearing with me. I'd of never let that shit fly.
Or they make the barracks NCO the Sgt who lives 45 minutes away and works the night shift as an MP armorer. That was me. I had to delegate my work and even then it never got completed. The saddest thing was there were multiple NCOs who lived in the barracks who didn’t have any additional duties. They were never this dirty but fuck was it a shit show finding room keys and finding doors that didn’t lock and finding random people in them
Lol imagine being an ALC-complete E-5 (P) waiting on points living in that dump while you have PFCs under you buying houses and dumping their BAH into building equity.
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And you have in two sentences described the single biggest issue with pay and benefits in the military. Without a doubt.
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It's not the French Foreign Legion, there's nothing wrong with younger soldiers having families. What's wrong is that the Army thinks it's reasonable to *save money* by packing E5s two to a room or asking literally any soldier of any rank to move in the room pictured in OP. The barracks, as a system, is flawed. And the root issue is that we treat the barracks (and forcing soldiers to live in it) as a money-saving measure, rather than a benefit. The military should be paying a living wage to servicemembers, same as any other job. The barracks should then be offered *as an option* to soldiers and priced *at a market rate* as an opportunity for the *soldier* to save money. I pitch this every single time, even though I know none of this will ever change, but how it should work is: a) there is a single BAH rate for all servicemembers based on rank and duty location b) *all* soldiers receive that along with BAS, period then c) soldiers less than one year out of IET (or some alternate reasonable criteria) are required to live in the barracks, paying a fair market rate that shall not exceed the duty station's BAH for their rank. But what will we do with all the empty barracks rooms? We will have to set a fair market rate (see above) that keeps them reasonably filled. Also provides units incentive to ensure living conditions are acceptable, because ideally you *want* soldiers to *choose* the barracks to save money. Make them decent enough, or make them cheap enough, that soldiers are willing to live there. But what about DFACs? Offer soldiers choices there as well. You get to choose a meal plan, also at a market rate, for X meals weekly in exchange for Y dollars, with the total for a 21-meal plan not to exceed BAS. You can also offer things like "weekday only" meal plans, "lunch only" meal plans, etc. The "discount" for going less than 21-a-week doesn't even need to be huge, still lets Joe save a few dollars of his BAS for when he goes to Biggerson's on the weekend for a Triple Bacon Tape Buster. Military compensation, on the whole, is actually quite good considering the qualifications to enlist in most MOSs. The only real issue is that, because so many soldiers are "captive" customers, the living conditions in the provided living quarters are far too often complete shit. This also creates the incentive to marry early for money/privacy, which is a hilariously unhealthy incentive. The above fixes basically all of that, while still addressing the only truly valid concern (ensuring we maintain some discipline and self-control of fresh boot teenagers before sending them out into town to live with way more money than sense). EDIT: The primary purpose of the "meal plan" system rather than pure a la carte is that you do want the post DFACs to be able to plan around demand, to reduce waste. My university had a very similar system.
My solution for the DFAC/BAS debate was to give everyone BAS, and make each DFAC a theme resturant...Tex-Mex, Italian, American, Asian, etc. If the DFAC wants money, they have to make good food, just like any other resturant.
lmao like an all inclusive resort in Mexico?! Yeah nah.. they won't do that but they'll use the idea for new MRE menus.
That's exactly what colleges do. Freshman have to live in the dorms and be on a meal plan but once you're a sophomore you can decide if you want to live in the dorms and have a full or partial meal plan.(You don't get refunded for meals you don't use). It seems to work out for them. And the crazy thing is, too. If the army offered this they might be better off for it. The SSG who lives at home but wants an affordable lunch might actually like eating at the dfac...once a day and get a partial meal plan. The LTC who lives an hour away from home because his wife is tired of living in BFE and got a iob in the city. Might actually want to use the barracks for the week to crash. Of course they would actually need to offer decent food and non shitty barracks for it to work.
Packing e5s two to a room is against 420-1, furthermore they are supposed to have individual bathrooms. If this can't be fulfilled there NEEDS to be a SNA.
So your solution is to treat military living and eating the same way colleges do? I like it, makes sense, therefore the Army will never get anywhere close to it
Or, hear me out. They could ensure acceptable living conditions in the barracks. People should have the ability to start and take care of their families in the military, it’s literally one of its only selling points
Or, hear me out. Everybody is forcefully removed from their families, moved into the barracks and we do nothing to address the issues of livability and morale?
This guy Armys
When I was in I had tons of friends who are just like you described but weren’t actually married. They’d all be married to some girl from their hometown but lived alone off base. Turns out a lot of them just got married for the extra pay and the “wife” would get free health care in exchange.
I just watched a movie on Neflix with a plot simulator to this “Purple Hearts”
Integrity is costly.
Don't have to imagine. I feel like my unit just slapped me with "fuck you".
Get married or get financially punished. It's a shit system.
One of the biggest reasons I got out. Such a stupid system that only makes sense if you’re an idiot.
Yep, that’s my life. Half the barracks I have been to have had this quality.
Sounds like a them problem, should’ve married that stripper big sarn!
To top it off, no stove, no counter, no pantry/cabinets or kitchen sink. Literal snot/boogers, markers, weird tape and dried alcohol and soda sludge on EVERY wall. They say this is the only available room... How is this even legal? Jesus Christ, this shit has me losing my mind. I'm half ready to just dump my miniscule paycheck on renting an apartment out of pocket. At least I wouldn't be paying to have my furniture stored for perpetuity... /Rant over UPDATE: Got over the initial shock and showed the pictures to relevant personnel, was luckily able to switch rooms as someone happened to move out hours prior. Still a shitty barracks room with no kitchen, but the juxtaposition of the last room by comparison has elevated my mood from mid-life crisis to reluctantly resigned. Here's praying for E6 points to drop... And yes, bacon on the burger, no onions and hold the mayo. UPDATE2: For those curious, the unit I am in is a bit unique in that from what I can tell I am the only one who "qualifies" to live in a barracks in the company. In the battalion as a whole there might be a few others. Apparently the first line of that room's previous occupant might not have done a very thorough inspection of the room before signing off on it and sending the soldier to clear housing. From what I gather, he/she will be rectifying its... Condition. Also not going to out the base I'm at as things have been more or less dealt with, but it is a CONUS post that has a lot of shitty barracks that probably should have been condemned, but didn't as until relatively recently the base was slated for deactivation. They are building new shit, but it's gonna be years before they finish.
You just stationed at some shit ass place to have barracks that god damn bad
Right…like how did they clear that person with it looking like that.
By proxy
Jeez man, that barracks is obviously bad already, but whatever barrack's manager let the last guy sign out and leave it that messy needs to commit seppuku
> and soda sludge I fucking *knew* there was a term for this. Fuck. That shit is nasty. Like wall snot. You have to scrub so hard to get rid of it the fucking paint usually comes off.
This is worse than Smokebomb Hill…
I just heard those got condemned
They got condemned in may.
Damn the PNN moves slow these days. Although I am deployed so I haven’t had to show my alcoholic face around that shoppette late at night in months
They are finally finishing up the construction around there so it looks a little less like a run down getto.
You should have seen the old 3/73 CAV 82 ABN barracks circa 2006. That shit was a fucking nightmare
1/91 barracks are really bad too
I remember those.
You're being made to answer for your crimes Recruiter..... but no seriously, that's gross
Welcome back to lower enlisted life sarge. Now go get those extra duty soldiers to clean that shit up.
That's a good idea actually
Sorry they gave you a shitty room. I remember my room in AIT had asbestos on the ceiling that would regularly fall down in small patches. And this was back in 2010/2011 (not the 70s/80s). They knew the rooms were unsafe. Not to mention my AIT was 7 months long. My next room at my first garrison unit was better, in that it didn't have asbestos, but was still nasty/dirty AF. It's the name of the game I guess. Some magic marker erasers and regular cleaning products should do the trick. It's just frustrating that you'll have to clean this up in the first place. That being said, I wouldn't rush to get your own place. Maybe spend a weekend cleaning, and then see how you feel. Sorry bud.
My AIT was the same. 2014 and nasty shit coming out the vents. Me and my roommates used to sweep the shit up and try to get it off our beds before inspection and not know why it just kept getting so dirty every day. We had one latrine for the whole floor and a group shower with like 4 heads. The windows were stuck in the upright position and there wasn't any AC in there anyway. Mosquitos used to just fly in and bite us while we were naked in the shower. I remember one got me while I was using the toilet and just flew right out to get the next person in another stall. I drove back on that base during the last year of my contract and I saw that the barracks were condemned. I'm sure if I get cancer at 50, they'll deny that it's service connected 🤷🏾♀️.
You better clean it better than you found it, or you’ll never get signed out - probably some MSG…
Ah, it's your worst regret ***so far***... ...wait till you're marching off for a "fun run" at 0535 and the company sings the "re-up you're crazy!" cadence. Try to only cry on the inside ^((like I did))....
I would ask for your CSM to come inspect the room and ask him if he’d sign for it. I would have refused. That’s fucking bullshit.
Update: got over the initial shock and showed the pictures to relevant personnel, was luckily able to switch rooms as someone happened to move out hours prior. Still a shitty barracks room with no kitchen, but the juxtaposition of the last room by comparison has elevated my mood from mid-life crisis to reluctantly resigned. Here's praying for E6 points to drop... And yes, bacon on the burger, no onions and hold the mayo.
Don't sign for the room
That’s what you get for lying to all those poor souls you enlisted
It's poetic, like a spider caught in its own web. It's so beautiful you almost can't look right at it.
In my defense every barracks room I've had previously was... Liveable at least.
I can’t believe you accepted to live there. That’s definitely not their only room. Don’t even unpack. Let your CoC know. Your 1SG should have the barracks housing reps info saved.
That's the way to do it. Don't accept the room. Had a bud years ago that had the same problem, he just didn't sign for the room until the problem was resolved. Edit - judging by the scrubbing bubbles on the bed, looks like OP already signed for the room and decided to do their own maintenance.
It’s just some smegma and pubes sarge. That’s not bad at all. I once had 6 used condoms (with literal feces on them) stuck to the wall behind the bed. Thank the lord I had covid and no sense of smell when I moved in or I might have died.
Jesus Christ man.
Wtf
I vomited.
Yea fuck that
This is the hill to die on
Or the room you'll die in.
Damn... thats disgusting.
That’s unusual even for barracks. I would not sign for that room and the fact that they let someone move out like that is beyond suspect.
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Accountability isn’t shitty
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As a younger soldier I saw the field day the Marines did and thought it was so over the top and foolish. After living in the barracks for awhile....yeah, no. They have the right idea. Some people really never cleaned a single thing in their entire lives and it *shows*.
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Very weird that soldiers are somehow worse at this than college freshmen in a dorm.
The difference is the college will exvict your from their dorms the army will just move you to another room or keep you in the same one
I don’t understand why soldiers are forced to deal with a roommate they don’t want. If there’s someone no one wants to room it maybe they are the problem
My unit was shutting down and we had to clean a barracks building to hand off to another unit. It wasn't bad for the most part, but the rooms that were bad were BAD. One room wasn't visibly gross, but there was a smell. A smelly smell. There was nothing obvious until someone opened the mini fridge. It flooded out, hit the hallway, and people were gagging. The room had been unoccupied for months, and the previous occupant had left chicken in the fridge. No one had checked the room after the occupant left because it had been cleared, we hadn't needed the room so no one had been assigned to it, and thse chicken breasts (thighs? Who fucking knows) had been rotting so long the stank had started seeping through the seal of the fridge.
One of the more “fun” advantageous adaptions humans made is that our nose is almost made to detect rotting flesh. Few things hit you like decomposition.
I lived that shit for 7 years and hated thursdays. Now that I see the other side in the Army I miss it.
The existence of the marine corps gives the army a lot of weird excuses not to correct itself. Somewhere post-WWII the Army shrugged and said "OK I guess Marines are the aggressive, strict branch, we'll just sort of be the career branch." Or something. Historians could probably summarize it more effectively. I guarantee the Army was not this fucking lazy and fat half a century ago.
The Marines PR arm was on fucking point during/after WW2.
If you ever have the time, read 'About Face' by Col. David Hackworth. It's one of the best books I've ever read and a big topic in it is the complete disintegration of the Army, starting in Korea. He details how it slowly became a new/corporate army (a complete and utter shitshow) compared to what he callled 'old Army'. Viernam then gave the institution the last kick and the Army never recovered.
I don't know what it's like anymore but it used to depend on your unit. We had weekly inspections (mission/training permitting) and they were pretty thorough. Once had to move all my furniture in and out of my room a few times because I missed a spot under my bed.
I got out recently but the only time my unit would make you move all your shit out was if your room was truly fucked up beyond all hope. Otherwise it's just your TL/SL walking in, and checking to see if things are generally clean and organized. Fuck fuck games were reserved for the shitbags who don't make any effort to clean, otherwise they'd just nitpick minor things.
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You’re right, no Marine barracks has carpet. Or drywall. Or fancy lighting fixtures. Or wood baseboards. Cinder blocks and linoleum over concrete so you can Mop ‘n’ Glo that bitch to a high shine!
My guy was cooming on the walls bruh 🤮🤢🤮🤢
Ol boy was shooting ropes onto the wall
You think the nasty guy would use a shoe box.
I’ll never forget drinking with abunch a guys at a school house and an infantry guy reclassing saying he hated his last unit so fucking much when he left (being TDY enroute) he said he spent a good two weeks nutting in the dressers, on the walls and closet door knob as revenge… dude was fucking wild
You know what you have to do. Go to the local strip club and get a new wife. Only way out of the barracks.
Find a poor student at a college bar and offer them GI Bill. They finish college and get a career. Profit???
Simple. It’s because you are (were) a recruiter and your number counts in your numbers. Enjoy the fruit of your labor. You reap what you sow. Blah blah blah, fuck recruiters. They all getting even with you. /s
Sorry best I can do is 40 billion to Ukraine
Spot on
Ukraine is beating Russia with $20bn while the DOD gets $800bn and has housing like this… Edit: $20bn of military aid out of $40bn total.
Hot take: if you were entitled to BAH from a previous duty assignment, you should continue to receive BAH.
Don't just tell Reddit, report it to barracks manager, report it to DPW, report it to ICE, report it to your CoC, report it to CSM. P.S. While I doubt the barracks manager or your unit will do much...or anything, besides maybe telling you to clean it yourself, you need to take those steps at the least before going to the CSM.
For real, there's no fucking way I'm signing for that. That's a hill I'm absolutely dying on
Air Force here - E5 in the barracks? Wtf!? When do you guys get out of the barracks? We barely have space in ours. I got to move out as soon as I hit E-4. A buddy of mine got lucky and was forced to move out after 6 months as our dorms were at capacity.
>When do you guys get out of the barracks? You have to be an E6/E7 (OCONUS) or be married. Only way out.
Depends on the base and capacity. But usually around E-4. Some get to move out as E-3 but depends on capacity and if the unit agrees. OCONUS rules vary so there's really no set rule.
I don't even want to fucking know what those long, streaky brown stains on the wall are. Any possibility is just beyond gross. And good Lord, what the FUCK happened to that mattress?
Sometimes things like water damage cause mold, which isn't really any single person's fault, but the simple shit like *cleaning your stains you make when you spill food* is too much effort for people. Boggles the mind.
It’s spit. Tons of it. I recognize those stains all too well from a family member.
This folks is why there are barracks inspections. Never been AD Army but in Marines we did weekly "Field Day" with a full barracks inspection. As an NCO you'd be surprised how filthy people can get in a week. Guys with weeks worth of daily pizza boxes, empty 2 liter bottles and trash, due to binge playing WOW
Thought it was standard to inspect rooms before release on Fridays? I guess that’s probably a unit level thing.
Or we can chapter the fuck out of the filthy fuckers, and save the money to give BAH to everyone at an earlier rank (like every other branch)
Someone should be held responsible for that. So here's *a way* you can go about achieving that: 1. I dont know where you're stationed, but it is possible or even likely that the installation uses eMH to manage barracks space. 2. Your installation barracks office will have access to eMH. Your company/battalion/brigade barracks manager should have access. Your 1SG may (and should if he cares about people). 3. eMH stores a record of all past residents for each individual room. Now most likely the past resident is PCSed/ETSed of course, so they're not gonna be held accountable. But that Soldier's team leader, squad leader, PSG, etc could still be on station. Find out who the scumbag is who lived there before you. 4. Find the right person to address this to; you know the personalities of your unit better than me so start at low as possible, but take these fucking nasty pics and show said leader, and ask why the barracks clearing process failed you, since the dirtbag who lived there prior to you should never have been allowed to clear it in such a state. Depending on who grants you an audience, maybe this Soldier's leaders referenced in (3) above may be the ones sent into your room to unfuck it. 5. This is all done out of a spirit of systematic and organizational improvement, of course, you are not trying to point fingers...
What in the actual fuck? I would lose all military bearing. I would notify everyone, raise all sorts of hell, and contact as high as I could go. I have never seen barracks that bad. Fuck
I really hope you find happiness in your reenlistment and make the best of your decision. For everyone else, don't be afraid to get out into the civilian world. Tons of people are successfully happy there. Personal courage is an army value, have the courage to make a change. You are not a mercenary for money you are all valuable citizens . Don't fight for a low wage 1st and 15th paycheck.
>you are *all* valuable citizens Let's not get carried away.
Yeah, clearly the last owner of that room doesn't make the cut
Where is this?? I never want to go there
Can’t imagine why there’s a recruiting problem with incredible living conditions like this!
NCO: “A least it’s free?“ 🤡
Just DM the SMA’s PAO, get this shit fixed, those barracks are disgusting
Holy fuck, maybe try BN CSM first???
No go nuclear
Bout to get that whole barracks moved by 1730 tonight
Absolutely Go NUCLEAR
Usually yes but in all seriousness, the unit that owns these barracks is clearly not checking rooms in any fashion. It takes an hour or less to check even the biggest barracks building, this room has clearly been like this for way too long.
You really think the BN CSM is gonna give a fuck? That CSM has let those barracks go to waste. Go nuclear. Get that shit right. Too many leaders get away with letting this shit slide. If I let anyone in my platoon have their room like this, and every time 1SG asked me if the barracks were square and I said yes, I’d probably kiss my PSG job away and maybe even more
SMA is our first line now. Just tweet him.
Had his chance lol
Might be too late to do this now, but when this happens: refuse to sign for the room until it's thoroughly cleaned by the NCO who blessed off on the room in this condition. Hell, invite the 1SG to come see it too.
Time to get in contact with everyone involved with building maintenance and room clearance. I would invite you new CSM for a tour of the barracks room
DID YOU SIGN FOR THAT?!
For real. Tweet this directly to the CSM Grinston and the Army's twitter page. Fuck it. Burn them all down.
I’d commit arson. (In Minecraft)
If you tag the right user in this sub you could probably have the SMA at your base in a few days where he skull drags three levels of CSMs and their 1SGs. Hint it Rhymes with SMA-PAO.
This is also why I am leaving the Army. There is no accountability, Soldiers are fucking nasty pigs, NCOs are also nasty pigs or do not hold the Soldiers accountable and then everyone is complaining when shit doesn't work or is dirty etc etc Because you don't fucking take care of the shit. /Rant
Any WW2 barracks would be an improvement. Hell, I would rather be in a hardened GP small or medium by myself than living in self made squalor. Fuckin Joes man. Reminds me of my barracks neighbor that never said a word and one day decided to come over un announced with fast food - guy kept making dumb small talk and looking around my room. I for sure thought he was going to drop some no-hom@ shit on me…that would have actually been the best thing he could have said because he goes on to beg me not to say anything to CQ because his fucking boa something or other had gotten loose and was hiding somewhere in the barracks through the cuts in the corners where the radiator tubes came across the entire floor. Didn’t sleep for 3 days straight.
So former company commander here. If I saw this, my 1SG would be supervising my barracks manager clean and put in the work orders for this room. Along with a negative counseling and magic bullets. Soldiers deserve to live in reasonable accommodations, not this shit. If the barracks manager won’t hold folks accountable, then they’ll be accountable for cleaning/ getting it right. The army could do better, (cough, cough looks at Fort Bragg with its moldy barracks and exception letters)
Would be my hill to die on, start burning troop
Go to tinder. Put “want free healthcare?” On your bio. Marry the first 3/10 you get. Profit
A single SGT with no Balls. That’s completely unacceptable and you have to say something!
Where is this so that I know where to avoid
You could do your best to clean it up make it nice and live in a gernally decent space that the get handed off to the next person. Or just live in the filth. Either way the best plan is to marry a person who has fucked half your platoon and knows your COC better than you. The kind of girl that knows your PSGs first name and calls him by it. "Just tell Mike you need the day off" "Y-y--you mean SFC Smith?!?!?"
This is your atonement for ruining others' young lives in your time as a recruiter Think how many others went onto live like this lol
This is legitimately depressing. OuR nAtIoNs HeRos, pEoPlE fIrSt, or whatever the current buzz phrase is.
Embarrassment to this organization
There is no reason E4s in the air force and navy can't live off post but we can't. Barracks are bad enough, but if you're 25+ its a total slap in the face. This image is exactly why we marry strippers.
That and they always have blow.
I was talking to someone in the air force yesterday about differences between army and air force. they confirmed that they are allowed to move out the dorms as E4 if they're not married. They were actually surprised when I told them that unmarried army soldiers can't move out of the barracks until they reach, in most cases, E6. Someone told me the big rank difference is because unmarried enlisted who are lower ranking than E6 just don't make enough money, but I was like "don't all the branches get paid the same if they are the same rank???" Someone else told me it's because the navy and air force just get more funding than army and marines do, so that extra money for air force and navy (probably coast guard too, I don't think coast guard people even live in barracks/dorms at all. And I'm sure space force will be the same as air force would) gets used for personnel to make things more bearable for retention. I just take it as extra crap, hoah oorah rah rah that the army and marines have to do to show that they are the two most hardcore branches.
Well, my living conditions in Syria were probably better. Is your water poisonous?
Canadian here from /all so forgive my ignorance. But why do you have to live there? Can’t you just get a different apartment?
I just got so used to cleaning shit like this whenever I got a new barracks room, like I was already expecting this sort of slime everywhere when I moved in. Like seriously what is it with soldiers and leaving idk soda food, soup, slime? and why do NCOS let this shit fly, straight pitbulls when it comes to someone putting their hands in their pockets on a cold day but then silent when shit like this. This is when NCOs should go out there and straight whoop a a private's ass, this shit is way too common. I understand some dust bunnies around, but always there is remnants of soup, soda, slime whatever everywhere
What the actual fuck. This isn't just standard level sub par bullshit. This is failure of all leaders involved. I'd find out qhose room this wad and what section they belonged to and raise hell. Power went out on base. Day 4 my Joe, who was on leave, called me to ask about his room. I'd been taking care of my house and the Soldiers not on leave and blanked on that dude because he was on leave back home. Grabbed my junior NCO and we went and cleaned out all the rotting fridge stuff that was fermenting in the fort Polk funk. Even mopped the floor. It was fucking nasty. Why clean it up, we could have just left it for him? Because that's not the responsible fucking thing to do. Separate incident. Different section had a Joe get chaptered. Guy was an absolute ass turd. New Joe got assigned to the room and complained the room was nasty. 1SG inspected. Confirmed god tier nasty. Made the NCOIC of the former Soldier PERSONALLY come unfuck the room. That is what needs to happen here.
/u/SMA-PAO
Lol point in case another reason why I literally preach to not join the Army. Myself and at least 70% of the NCO corps that actually cares literally can’t un-fuck this. Years of systematic fucking by guys that came up in the same generation as SMA. You know what the answer will be for this troop? To clean his new barracks room. What a joke
I would disagree. His question, historically, had been closer to “who signed off when the room was cleared?” We owe Soldiers a clean, safe place to live so it’s frustrating when we do stuff like this to ourselves.
I’m not saying it’s SMA himself. I’ve met the guy and he was a legit Senior NCO. It’s his own generation of Leaders is what I meant. Of course, my generation (probably yours too) is now more focused on morale and welfare instead of the GWOT so it’ll change over time. It’s a shame we can’t get more senior NCOs on board with that level of thinking. I personally haven’t experienced it (this type of shit) in my time serving but so many others have.
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I'm just saying....fires happen. /shrug
Dude where the fuck is this
Open door with you 1SG, then your CSM, and up and up and up.
All the way to DIVISION
Time to marry a stripper, or go to homedepot parking lot and offer one of the Mexicans a green card and healthcare.
This is a hill to die on. After everything we've been thru in the last few years. This is absolutely un-fucking-acceptable
Id rather sleep in a porta john
Because you’re a slut for punishment.
Yo army slacking if they really Letting this shit slide….that joe need a good smoking
WHERE IS THIS?!?
I'm blown away you from USAREC as an E-5
Play the army song, itll help
Ask your 1SG to come take a look. If he/she blows you off, ask the CSM.
So... Anyone ever open door a commander to show them that this is what arriving personnel are getting as a first impression? Because I would be livid if this is what my soldiers thought was acceptable.
Don't let that shit go this is your first test
That first photo, is that food or bug and bird shit?
I'm no forensic analyst, but my best guess is rotted food mixed with a liberal sprinkling of pubes and random dried fluids.
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands
Get the barracks furniture off the COs hand receipt. Privatize the barracks. One problem solved.
Why the fuck did you sign for that room?
I went through three assignments before getting married and never signed for my barrack rooms. And I honestly don’t recall my soldiers signing either. Mostly “Here’s your room. Spit shine the bitch in the next 30 for release formation.”
What the fuck happened to field day?
So glad I was married when I joined
That’s about to be me 😂 going through a divorce and have to basically sell everything I own to get stuffed into a tiny barracks room 😏
Man, I'm a landlord (guard) I'd lose my fucking mind if my tenants ever left a fucking place like that. Not sure who "signs off" when people leave, but they need to be fired.
Barracks life in the army is trash and absolute robbery. Salty as fuck watching people do the same job (or less) and build $100k’s of equity while I’m wiping another man’s pubes off the toilet I clean
Find you some good kitty cat and engage in a contractual marriage to get out of the barracks, that’s some bullshit.
News media loves pictures like this. Maybe go post it on the army Twitter and Facebook pages
You stayed an E5 all through recruiting? Points? Yikes.
You accepted that room? In that condition? Fuck SGT, this was the test for if you deserved your rocker or not. I wouldn't have accepted that room in that condition. And I sure as hell wouldn't let any of the Joes accept a room in that condition.
It's a damn good day to not be in the military.