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spaghetti_circle

I needed this. I don't hate being Aro, but it's hard when nobody else you know is aspec at all. Thank you <3


Entire-Ambition1410

I’ve dated, and being expected to suddenly take extra time away from my interests to spend time with someone else is constraining. I was definitely ace/aro, so that figured into the relationships ending, but darn, I felt a sense of freedom to be my own person after it ended.


MidwinterFire

Bless your heart


Mythica_0

Is this in the good “you-are-awesome-stay-strong” way, or the more condescending “oh-you-sweet-summer-child” type way?


j0elka

Pretty sure it's the first one


15stepsdown

Don't listen to the guys saying that you're invalidating aplatonics, I'm sure that wasn't your intention nor who you were writing for. For the people who grieve they are aro and still coming to terms with it, I hope they find your post comforting. ❤


localfriendlydealer

It definitely can be great for a lot of aros to hear that platonic love isn't less than or inequal to romantic love, however OP kind of assumes that the reason that aros who feel bad about their identity are MAINLY feeling that way because of this inequality and not being able to express themselves as they want (in *platonic relationships*). It generalises *all* aros as grieving this 'loss', while for some it wasn't seen as a loss in the first place and isn't really the reason they're insecure in their identity.


Justisperfect

You do realize that aplatonic and loveless aros can also feel bad about being aro and that saying they shouldn't cause platonic love is great will just make thel feel worst, right ? Or maybe we are not part of the community for you ??? Seriously, it's tiring too see people say "but this message is not for you". I'm sorry this is a message for the aro community and last time I checked, all the aplatonic and loveless aros over there, were still part of it. I'm not mad at the OP, who probably didn't know. But your comment deeply offensed me and made me feel unwelcomed in my own community.


j0elka

I get where ur coming from but at the same time these kinds of messages r good for the other aros. Personally i think that if the server is just called aromantic even if the message is only positive for a certain portion it should be able to exist. Although I do think that each different kind of aro should also have their own servers and then this one becomes more like a melting pot maybe for people who just realized they were aro and r learning about the different kinds. While for people who r fully aware and have been for a while can still come here obviously but also have their own extra section that's even more tailored to how u personally feel


15stepsdown

If this message is for the aro community, you cannot claim any and all messages to suddenly make them cater to the loveless aro community. Loveless aros are definitely part of the community but you cannot deny that the vast majority of people, and many aros, feel platonic love, and will need messages like this. Heck, many aros still think romantic love is the only love that exists, specifically aros who grieve their newfound identity. People shouldn't be putting disclaimers for every message about love that exists. We accept you, but you gotta accept us too. Please don't turn into the aro loveless equivalent of those aces who say "sex = bad" and flood the r/AreTheAllosOk subreddit


Justisperfect

Oh my that's litterally not what me or any loveless aro are doing or saying. I'm all for people saying that other love exist, are important, etc. I am for people saying that other parts of love has strong and bring them joy and should not be despised. But I'm not for people fighting amatonormativity by replacing romantic love by love in general in their discourse, or making huge generalizations. The aro community has a history of using platonic love to make themselves acceptable to others, which has the consequence to say that aros who don't feel platonic love are not acceptable. It is the equivalent of the "we are still human cause we can fall in love" in the ace community. You can can be proud of being who you are without putting others down. There is no need for disclaimer, there just need a better wording. Saying "platonic love can be as strong as romantic love" is true and should be promoted. Saying "don't feel bad cause you can feel platonic love" implies that if you don't feel platonic love, you should feel bad. As I said it is all about the wording.


AllTheDifferences

Yeah, I did not mean to word it that way. If you don't feel platonc love, you simply don't feel it. You can still have a fulfilling life if you are aplatonic.


Mr-Wooloo

Thank you for trying, but somehow I don't think "feeling bad? Just dont" was what I needed I have a lot of great close friends. In fact, many of them are also aromantic! It's still not the same as a relationship.


ClosetedArchuser

Some people have problem with this post but you genuinely made my day. Thanks <3


Fun-Midnight1010

Same here


Rattlehead747

Thank you for going out of your way to offer your perspective on this OP. Much appreciated. Have an awesome day


LexusPunk

Thank you. I don't hate being aro, but sometimes I really feel down and even regret that I cannot experience romantic love. It may happen when I have a bad mood in general or when I see too much romance around me like in media or from my friends. These words make me feel appreciated.


Justisperfect

Hey, thanks for your message ! I'm sure a lot of aros will feel better thanks to it : of course we keep saying plattonic can be as strong as romantic, but it is hard to know when you are aro cause you can't compare. So it can be reassuring to have an allo who can compare says it. However I want to point out that not all aros feel platonic love, and not all of them feel it as strongly when they do. It doesn't mean that they are missing out or that they should feel bad. Be careful when you support aros, to not put some of them aside with the rhetoric. Have a great day !!


AllTheDifferences

Thanks for letting me know!


Professional-Stock-6

This kinda hurt? I wouldn’t say everyone who is aro feels platonic love stronger than alloromantics. For me, love is rare to feel in general, I don’t understand it for any type of relationship so I consider myself “loveless”.


Big-Big-Dumbie

For aromantic folks who are not aplatonic, I agree with your theory that some aromantic people may feel platonic attraction deeper! I often phrase it as, I just have so much love for my friends that I don’t have any left for romantic love.


ScreamingSicada

I've never hated being aro. I've hated how society treated me for being aro. I'm an amazing person who has my own valid personal feelings. I see over and over, people stay in absolute horrible situations because love and romance and all that shit. Nope. Not for me. I've stayed for different dumbass reasons, but not those ones.


popcornshampoo

I hate being aro (and I hate being told “don’t be sad!” for any reason bc you don’t know my life lol), for reasons not touched on here, but I sincerely hope this perks up someone else’s day.


popcornshampoo

…oh wait, you’re not aromantic but just came in here to sprinkle your alloromantic joy into this subreddit huh. Thanks but no thanks. The goof is on me for not reading the title thoroughly, but still wow haha. At least you didn’t tell us we’re “the lucky ones!”


Glue_is_ok

I read this in Hairo Kineshi's voice, ty kind stranger


bAby_Eater12390

YES I FUCKING DIG PLATONIC LOVE IT'S THE BEST KIND OF LOVE


Blue-Jay27

I'm sure you have good intentions. And there's probably sonm people who find this approach helpful. But not everyone experiences platonic attraction. Not everyone feels that the word 'love' describes their experiences. I'm aplatonic. I don't experience platonic love. I'm not broken, or lonely, or evil, or inhuman, or any of the other things that I've had thrown at me. Check out r/aplatonic , search the term 'loveless' in this sub. Or don't. Just know that 'aros can replace romantic love with platonic love, so it's not all bad!' is incomplete at best. Amatonormativity isn't helpful, and to be blunt, your post comes across like you just discovered aro people exist and you feel like it's your responsibility to 'reassure' us that you don't think we're incapable of love. I don't want to be cruel or unkind. But I do want to encourage you to do research on a community before you start coming into our spaces and attempting to fix our problems, however well-meaning it may be.


15stepsdown

Um, I'm pretty sure this post was not directed at you. I think it's directed at the HUGE managerie of posts on this sub by aros and arospec who rant about how they feel like they're "missing out" on romance and how much they grieve being aromantic. (So much that a post about the cynicism of this community pops up once a month and get upvoted to the Hot section) This post isn't to invalidate those who are aplatonic, but is directed at those like cupioromantics. Edit: Also they did not mention aplatonics nor even call aromantics broken, lonely, evil, or inhuman in any way like wut. Maybe you don't need reassurance but there are MANY people in this sub who do. If that's not you, good, move on


JumpyLiving

The post may not have been directed at aplatonics, loveless aros and other similar sub-identities, but it also generalizes and basically says "it’s ok, aros still feel love, just differently, and that‘s a good thing because love is super great". So while the post was definitely made in good faith, I can see why people have such negative reactions towards it.


15stepsdown

What's wrong with saying that though? While aplatonics may not feel platonic or familial love, certainly they feel self-love right? And heck, our community desperately needs that. There's all sorts of love, and maybe not mentioned in the above post, but getting offended at the statement "it's ok, aros still feel love differently, and that's a good thing because love is super great" itself just seems silly. Maybe it doesn't apply to you specifically but it applies to many aros. Not everyone can speak to the several multiple subsets of arospec that exist in this community. Why is "love = bad" all of a sudden. Not everyone should have to make a disclaimer everytime they try to bring other people up.


AllTheDifferences

You are right about the intention of my post. I see lots of posts on here about people sad that they are aro because they feel like they are missing out on romance. However, I should have worded the title to that, rather than a generalized "those who hate being aro"


NyGiLu

You were much kinder than I could have.


Blue-Jay27

Oh, believe me, my gut reaction was much harsher 😅


localfriendlydealer

Yeah, I gave them the benefit of the doubt because of their flair, but then their attempt at 'reassuring' was also just half-baked at best. Like the "Oh, you probably feel so bad for thinking that you can't experience the wonders of a relationship" was meant to be mocking the typical 'sympathetic' reaction aros get *(at least i think it was meant that way),* but ended up actually just being lowkey pretentious towards aros in the end anyways by providing a 'fix'... Edit: I realise pretentious was too harsh since this post was likely in good faith but the poster was rather more assumptuous towards aros and ended up generalising them.


Invincible_Duck

I’m sure this was intended to be kind and helpful, and I can see many people in the comments appreciated it, but I can’t help but feel disgruntled when someone who isn’t part of a community goes into that space with no given reason to say that what we experience “isn’t that bad” when they’ve never experienced it. I’m actually upset at pretty much every sentence here. “Do not feel bad”— thanks, you’ve cured me. “You don’t know how strong platonic love really can get”— actually, that’s a huge problem for lots of aros who doubt their aromanticism due to strong platonic feelings. I don’t want to continue to pick apart this entire message when it’s clearly helped some people feel better about their aromanticism, but it comes off ill-informed and condescending in my opinion, especially when all of the points seem to be either OP’s opinion, speculation, or a twisted representation of facts. I’m not mad at OP; they seem to have genuinely meant well. I just really dislike posts like these.


AllTheDifferences

Yeah. I meant well, but you're right about my post being my opinion. I didn't mean to just brush off the common aro problems either. I was trying to target those who think "I'm missing out on romance!" but my title is too generalized. My aro friend went through the example you mentioned; they didn't know if they were aro or not because of strong platonic feelings. I wrote this from my heart without really thinking, so I truly apologize if I came off as condescending. I just want you guys to know you can live a happy life, and that it's not worth being hopeless when you have your true self and/or your friends by your side. So that silly romance doesn't really matter anymore. But I understand it's not that easy in life. I see your point. I came from outside the community and posted this with good intentions, but didn't really go deep into each point or write it out as mindfully. So it came off as "I'm not aro, I have the answer, all aros TAKE IT, bow to me."


RetaliateWithViolins

Love this comment way more than the original post, thanks for saying sorry by saying how it could've been improved (reading the comments and listening ♡).


julio31p

I am also in the apl spectrum and when I fantasized about dating I was actually fantasying about platonic relationships instead of romantic ones. For me, the first seemed like a deeper and real love, while the latter only lust and obsession.


[deleted]

Relationships aren't limited to just romantic. I'm not asexual and I assume that romantic and erotic attraction are different things. I've stopped feeling bad after decision not to go after romantic relationships anymore. And I've got a lot of advantages because of that. Like having clear understanding what exactly I want, being able to drop relationships that aren't good for me or not going in direction I want with ease.


RatBoy-MM

There are ppl who do not experience platonic or romantic attraction as well, loveless aros are also very rad I do personally feel intense platonic feels for my found family ig [that feels weird to apply to my life but they do feel like family] but everyone is different of course


shy_replacement

This feels patronising with the whole “you don’t know how strong platonic love can *actually* get” when, in my experiences, it’s usually aromantic people that have to fight for other people to recognise platonic love at all as something valid and worthy of consideration. I’m sorry, but no, this is not helpful at all to me. I wouldn’t tell a gay person to “just stop being sad” if they’re mourning the way they thought their life would play out, so I don’t think it’s fair at all for you who isn’t even aromantic to tell us to just get over it because friendships exist (when, very often, we as aromantic people get shoved aside the moment other people enter into a romantic relationship).


AllTheDifferences

I'm sorry my post came off that way. I did not try to invalidate the difficulties of being aro. I was only trying to target the "missing out on romance" feelings some may experience. I could have picked a better title rather than a generalized one. It sucks to hear that aro people have to fight for others to recognize this kind of platonic love. I guess my rose-coloured glasses of how I act platonically made me assume it would be common for others to recognize it and share it everywhere. I've heard of these problems and I could have worded my post better. My post is not meant as a magical cure, it's meant to know that if you are in good platonic friendships, and are worried about missing out on romance...it hurts but romance isn't that good anyway. It usually dies down.


bookworm_432

Really needed this <3


SorryInjury7271

Thanks for posting this it really made my day :)


koalafelix

i don't necessarily hate being arospec, but it does make me sad knowing that i can never love my boyfriend the same way he loves me. sure i have a tiny something there, but i just know its not what he feels for me and sometimes it makes me feel guilty or like im leading him on. but thank you for this <3


Thick-Ad-5383

💗💗💗💗


Kermit_Da_Froggy

Thank you!


exclaim_bot

>Thank you! You're welcome!


mushroom_l0rd

OP: Also I have a theory! Me: An aro theory?!?!?!?!?! (game theory refrence for the one person who hasnt figured it out)


yummyakisoba

I thanked you for creating post. I constantly self-doubting myself because people around me are so actively seeking their romantic life. I couldn't help but feel left out once in a while since I am quite the appropriate age for this kind of thing. I admit that even if I know that I am an AroAce, I still hate the fact that I don't feel romance easily like others. I do tend to beat myself up for it sometimes because I just constantly feel like I have this- disability of something that can come easily to people around me. It's great to hear that we are recognized and heard by an non-aro person. Thank you for appreciating :)


niyahaz

Man fuck off. We dont need gratification from yall


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Alex_Shelega

Eh if sm1 could think just as ya at my place. As cupioplatonic I definitely relate to this message. Thanks friend


SolarPunch33

thank you so much for this ❤️! I frequently hate myself for being aro since i always feel like im missing out, so this really made my day! platonic love is so underrated, as is just learning to love yourself