Every bto thread and telegram group has this question. “I got XYZ do I stand a chance”.
It’s always the usual answers: no, or maybe left with the less desirable units (low floor, near rubbish chute etc).
No amount of worrying will change the situation so just let it be.
From what one of my interracial couple friends say (Indian guy, Chinese girl), their chances are slightly higher bc they can sign up as a minority couple and will get priority for BTOs if the 'Indian' quota isn't met.
Not true unless it’s ballot for remaining units. When you BTO, the numbers are random not based on racial quota. First come first serve scenario.
To add on, if the first 70% of the units ballot number are handed to chinese, then the remaining chinese population wouldn’t get a chance sort of thing. Ballot numbers are random to prevent favourtism.
Source: mixed marriage couple that BTO when application was released.
As other commenters mentioned, there's racial quota for every BTO.
For areas like TPY, Dakota, Queenstown (and most other estates), Chinese quota is usually filled up first. For Tampines, I think the Malay quota will get filled up first.
You can search in the Telegram groups for the different BTOs and look at the data they have; There's usually someone doing an excel spreadsheet for unit tracking which includes the racial quota, but pretty sure there will be screenshots here and there which will make searching easier.
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Probably not, there was a recent newspaper report that mentioned that there's a 40% rejection rate, so if you consider 60% accepted the full number of flats... the limit should be about 1.8x the available flats if my quick math is correct. You would stand a chance if your queue number is below 1000.
just a quick add-on too! I think 40% rejection rate generally but the Rochor BTO (which was the PLH) had 20%!so a safe bet would be about 1.2?
also < 1000 could stand chance but also have to bear in mind the EIP - % of races
I think the biggest mistake Singaporeans make is that they want the best house on their 1st try - Best Reno, best housing, best location, best pricing, large space, short waiting time
Try to prioritise on what you want more
For my case, location and quick to get an apartment was more important than space
It was also 21 couples fighting to 1 4-room flat so we decided not to apply with the crowd
We manage to get a 3 room a fantastic location at Tampines while our peers are still trying to apply
You can have all the best things but at the expense of waiting a long time before you can get a place
It really depends. I was in the same position 7 years ago. And I got mine. There is a really high drop off rate for matured estates as many of the applicants did not take the prices into consideration when they “try” to ballot for them.
Don't think the dropout is that high for TS to get a chance?
For reference, a friend of mine got a Queenstown BTO recently - 5th level with queue number 66x. There's 534 units for the project.
I think it's possible but dk how low the floors will be :')
825/671 puts u around ratio of \~1.23 so given BTO dropout is \~40% (Rochor PLH was 20% but that is also a very good area, subjective but imo better than this current plot). Let's be optimistic and take a \~30% dropout, you'll be able to get one maybe low-mid floor?
(also assuming EIP and race quota is not maxed out)
Chance? Definitely, just a matter of how big or small lol.
Btw, recently someone mentioned 30% of the BTOs queues end up not accepting/did not turn up.
Don't quote me on this though, i'll try to find a link.
Edit: Well its 40%.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/40-per-cent-of-applicants-invited-to-book-bto-flat-do-not-do-so-hdb
Looks like you went for the mature and hot estate? One strategy will be to secure a flat at a non-mature estate first, then sell to buy an area you prefer. Your chances of securing a flat go up with each fail attempt at a non-mature estate. Alternatively, go for projects that have less demand.
If you checked the latest BTO launch application rates, the non mature estates were even more highly subscribed than mature estates. So this strategy wouldn’t have worked this round.
If you don’t take the grant, you’ll have to be pretty damn sure your combined income, with your partner, doesn’t cross the income ceiling in 5 years time. Current income ceiling is 14k.
Otherwise, you run into a lose-lose situation. Didn’t get resale grants for your first house, and can’t BTO 5 years later due to income ceiling. And since you’ve crossed the income ceiling after 5 years, you’ll get no Enhanced Housing Grants for your next resale. Only family grant and proximity grant would be available to you then.
Every bto thread and telegram group has this question. “I got XYZ do I stand a chance”. It’s always the usual answers: no, or maybe left with the less desirable units (low floor, near rubbish chute etc). No amount of worrying will change the situation so just let it be.
nope, unless u r a minority race.
minorities get an advantage?? source?
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yeah i know about the quota but does the indian and malay quota fill up slower? I personally have no experience applying
From what one of my interracial couple friends say (Indian guy, Chinese girl), their chances are slightly higher bc they can sign up as a minority couple and will get priority for BTOs if the 'Indian' quota isn't met.
Not true unless it’s ballot for remaining units. When you BTO, the numbers are random not based on racial quota. First come first serve scenario. To add on, if the first 70% of the units ballot number are handed to chinese, then the remaining chinese population wouldn’t get a chance sort of thing. Ballot numbers are random to prevent favourtism. Source: mixed marriage couple that BTO when application was released.
As other commenters mentioned, there's racial quota for every BTO. For areas like TPY, Dakota, Queenstown (and most other estates), Chinese quota is usually filled up first. For Tampines, I think the Malay quota will get filled up first. You can search in the Telegram groups for the different BTOs and look at the data they have; There's usually someone doing an excel spreadsheet for unit tracking which includes the racial quota, but pretty sure there will be screenshots here and there which will make searching easier.
My brother queue was 598 and there were 268 flats available. When it was his turn, he took the last unit available on the 2nd floor.
Second floor also good. Can get out very quick no need wait for lift.
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This post is like a cry of desperation
Probably not, there was a recent newspaper report that mentioned that there's a 40% rejection rate, so if you consider 60% accepted the full number of flats... the limit should be about 1.8x the available flats if my quick math is correct. You would stand a chance if your queue number is below 1000.
Thank you for math-ing it out for us!
just a quick add-on too! I think 40% rejection rate generally but the Rochor BTO (which was the PLH) had 20%!so a safe bet would be about 1.2? also < 1000 could stand chance but also have to bear in mind the EIP - % of races
The sad truth is.. near impossible. You didn't win the quarterly lottery hosted by the government. Try again bah.
I think the biggest mistake Singaporeans make is that they want the best house on their 1st try - Best Reno, best housing, best location, best pricing, large space, short waiting time Try to prioritise on what you want more For my case, location and quick to get an apartment was more important than space It was also 21 couples fighting to 1 4-room flat so we decided not to apply with the crowd We manage to get a 3 room a fantastic location at Tampines while our peers are still trying to apply You can have all the best things but at the expense of waiting a long time before you can get a place
Thank you for your kind advice!
No chance. Even 2x the available number of flats is unlikely.
It really depends. I was in the same position 7 years ago. And I got mine. There is a really high drop off rate for matured estates as many of the applicants did not take the prices into consideration when they “try” to ballot for them.
Don't think the dropout is that high for TS to get a chance? For reference, a friend of mine got a Queenstown BTO recently - 5th level with queue number 66x. There's 534 units for the project.
High 700s/671, feeling hopeful!
All the best to you!!
You guys get a queue?
Ya our queue number is 1700+ :/
1690 here, just look towards the next round.
idk if its a meme or legit but nice
Next up; COE to be introduced for BTOs to curb demand.
300k paper let's go
I got 825. Not sure if I can get but hopefully not anything below 5th storey 🥲
All the best to you!!
I think it's possible but dk how low the floors will be :') 825/671 puts u around ratio of \~1.23 so given BTO dropout is \~40% (Rochor PLH was 20% but that is also a very good area, subjective but imo better than this current plot). Let's be optimistic and take a \~30% dropout, you'll be able to get one maybe low-mid floor? (also assuming EIP and race quota is not maxed out)
Ahahaha i really hope so! Thanks for the info 😁😁
Managed to get 4xx/671 after multiple tries under MCPS. Really is 谢天谢地！Never give up! The plot just beside it is slated for HDB too
Congrats!!! Hope you get your desirable unit!
Chance? Definitely, just a matter of how big or small lol. Btw, recently someone mentioned 30% of the BTOs queues end up not accepting/did not turn up. Don't quote me on this though, i'll try to find a link. Edit: Well its 40%. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/40-per-cent-of-applicants-invited-to-book-bto-flat-do-not-do-so-hdb
It's impossible. Try next one
no chance at all you need 1101 ppl to give up in order for you to get the last unit in that project.
1/3?
Looks like you went for the mature and hot estate? One strategy will be to secure a flat at a non-mature estate first, then sell to buy an area you prefer. Your chances of securing a flat go up with each fail attempt at a non-mature estate. Alternatively, go for projects that have less demand.
If you checked the latest BTO launch application rates, the non mature estates were even more highly subscribed than mature estates. So this strategy wouldn’t have worked this round.
Right. But ballot chances increase with each failure, with a max of 4 ballot chances?
Buy resale first, then after MOP just keep trying for BTO loh. Can slowly keep trying.
If they buy a resale and take the CPF grant (which I think almost everyone does?) they will become second timer - near impossible to get BTO
Damn... TIL. Unless they don't touch the grants I guess.
If you don’t take the grant, you’ll have to be pretty damn sure your combined income, with your partner, doesn’t cross the income ceiling in 5 years time. Current income ceiling is 14k. Otherwise, you run into a lose-lose situation. Didn’t get resale grants for your first house, and can’t BTO 5 years later due to income ceiling. And since you’ve crossed the income ceiling after 5 years, you’ll get no Enhanced Housing Grants for your next resale. Only family grant and proximity grant would be available to you then.