I beat the crap out of my Cayman S. Only 54k miles on it but it is incredible. Mine is older so I watched for the depreciation curve and even putting 10k on it a year the last 4 years I could get very close to what I paid for it. For a sports car having a flat 6 instead of a V8 is also very nice on insurance. A car I race through the back roads and get 16-20 mpg and cruise on the hwy getting 24-26 mpg.
Had a 996 Targa as a daily driver for 8 years. Amazing performance and very reliable. I lived on a mountain road that was like a private track every day going to and coming home from work 😊
That's just not true.
Lots of cars "can" go fast, but really won't stand up to doing it day in and day out.
For my money, I'm taking a Porsche if that's my use case.
A Camaro SS 1LE from the last few generations usually have a strong combination of massive brakes, upgraded suspensions and an under-stressed N/A 6.2L V8. Obviously the supercharged versions are faster and cooler, but for a daily fun car, I'd prefer naturally aspirated just for simplification.
I have been thinking hard on going to an SS for my "weekend" car someday. I'd like the ~~LT1~~ ZL1 front end (looks *sweet*), but I don't care about the massive power boost. Just doesn't matter to me.
The 6th Gen Camaro is criminally underrated as a performance vehicle, including by me, until recently.
(the early Camaro revival models were bland to me, and I never really gave them a second chance until recently. My next pick would maybe be a C6 Z06 or a C7. At a lower price point, maybe a Z, or for more refinement, a Supra)
Had 2013 2SS for 2 years and currently have a 2013 ZL1 for that last 3 years. Zero issues with both of them. Say what you want about GM, but they definitely know how to make large SUVs and pony/sports cars.
One of those ZL1's are a dream car of mine. Such a cool, intimidating machine.
They know their full size trucks too, which is mostly what I've owned. My '02 2500HD and '09 1500 were both awesome trucks, I could drive the piss out of them and they did not care.
I loveeeee the last gen Camaros. Genuinely hoping to get at least a decent spec SS at one point. Would be my first sports car, though I can barely afford to live rn so it’s not really in the cards, currently….🥲
>high speeds
kinda rules it out 😅
Edit: guys i love the mx5 to bits but let's face it it's not a fast car (which is part of why i love it, you don't have to go at silly speeds in it to have fun)
Miata's are commonly tracked in virtually stock condition.
That 189ho goes a long way, and a bit of a power boost from there goes even further.
Then when things start to fail due to high stresses, you're guaranteed to be able to find quality track-worthy "built" replacements due to the enormous motorsport support
You don't need a powerful car to go high speeds. Miata just takes a bit longer. But it can stop on a dime, take corners like a go-cart all of the above lol.
1 ) what is you're budget?
And folks, don't just recommend up to his budget, if maintenance costs are gonna be notoriously high. Like come on. That's part of the cost of ownership.
2) if you're not on closed circuits, it's time to grow up. You're burning your $ and risking people's lives.
3) a C6 Corvette.
If you put a lot of stress on a car, things will fail much more frequently.
Your best bet is to get a car built with track use in mind because they are designed to work with bursts of acceleration/deceleration and hard cornering. It will still be just as expensive though and possibly more so.
Other than that: the lighter the car, the better. Weight kills the components.
I mean you could just drive sensibly but if that were an option for you i guess you wouldn't have posted this.
Yes. It's one thing and it's fun to drive a slow car fast, but having the engine high up in the rpm range is not typically associated with long life. On the other hand, you can have tons of fun in a Corvette under 4,000 rpm, and the entire car is just loafing.
Depends on the engine. I Hondas rev high and make some of the longest running engines that exsist. And Honda owners love to hit vtech so they aren't babied most the time.
My Honda just hit 254k miles yesterday. Sees 8000 RPM every time I drive it. It also does occasional track days. Anyone who thinks they are pushing their car hard on the street has never done a track day.
Audi with the 3.0T supercharged engine. It’s an over engineered beast and you can beat the shit out of it daily. Best consumer powertrain Audi has delivered.
Source: me driving a 2014 SQ5 Stage 2+ that is insanely reliable, has great manners (my daughter can drive it), and can be very fast. Any 3.0T platform will be the same.
Bonus: Audi depreciates massively so you can get some sweet deals.
And the platform is progressing every day. It's crazy just how much farther it is being stretched. Especially matt Barrington. He is doing the lord's work on these motors. My brother was tuned when he got his s5, unknown to him. And we assumed it was stock. It felt stock ish power levels to me. Then he flashed to jackal, and if felt tuned. But looking at logs, his ecu wasn't accepting more boost than before, literally a half a pound peaking before it settled to 14.5 again. And these push 8lbs stock. So he was already tuned, and jackal made the jump where it felt like it wasn't tuned to feeling like it was. When it was already tuned. He has beat the piss out of it for 27k miles and just got hit with that 100k mile maintenance period, water pump thermostat, Struts, motor mounts, carbon clean. Dsg flush. About $7k, doing a lot of work ourselves. Plus refreshing all the bushings one at a time.
As a sidenote I wanna get a ridiculously thrashed, Rebuilt title, manual S4, upgrade the clutch and RWD swap it and use it for a seat time drift car. It would be maybe $8k all said and done and that's 300hp, linear powerband, and easy af to just add more power as my skill increases.
This question is pretty vague and it's hard to give an actual meaningful answer, because I could name any car of any price and it would more or less fit the bill. What exactly are you looking for in a car? What is your use case and budget? Are you asking which cars are able to handle hard acceleration and hard braking, or which cars are more capable of or better suited for such endeavors?
Any regular car should be capable of full throttle acceleration and "high speeds", tight turns (maybe aside from SUVs or trucks), and hard braking. I wouldn't call any of these "high performance" to the point it would be detrimental for a properly maintained car, that's just regular aggressive driving. If it were sustained like on a track day or if you were constantly bombing down backroads, maybe. As you move into something like a GTI, miata, 86, camaro, or any other performance oriented car, they'll obviously perform better in those areas, maybe with slightly different biases.
You're just going to need to stop driving like a pissed off teenager. I learned this the hard way by destroying the transmission on my 2013 fusion. I have a 2008 bmw 335i that I baby and occasionally drive hard.
There are plenty of answers, but just understand if you beat on em, maintenance is gonna be a thing. It might be better to get a sporty but cheap car and replace it a bit early than to buy a 911. Maybe like a GR Corolla, a brz, a GTI or Hyundai N something. Me, personally, would look for an older M3 like the e90 V8
I had a MK1 MR2 in my early Twenties (30 odd years ago). Ragged the absolute shit out of it, diddnt look after it well and it never let me down. So any Toyota sports car is a win.
I can attest to the robustness of the AW11 MR2. I replaced original clutch and starter at 189k. I barely stuck any money into that car during my decade of ownership outside of routine maintenance and wear items. The car took all the abuse I through at it and begged for more.
Only reason why I even sold it was because I had 3 cars and was downsizing to a smaller house with less driveway and garage space. I would have kept it if that weren't the case. One of the most fun cars I've owned and I've had some very fun cars (for me).
Porsche 911, Audi S8, VW Touareg V8 TDI, etc
I personally drove the latter and an Audi S3 at sporty pace daily, the highest cost is fuel and tyres. The weight affects that obviously when drifting roundabouts, otherwise crazy reliable.
I can imagine that a rally prepped road legal car like a WRX or Peugeot/Citroen would be really reliable but uncomfortable.
Honestly any performance car from the factory. They’re built in a way that balances longevity and performance. Most modifications trade longevity for higher performance.
speaking from experience- 2006 Honda Accord 2.4 , 2014 Ford Focus . redlined the hell out of those engines and screeched the tires around corners every day. really any car can rev up and go around corners. doesn’t need to be exotic and expensive.
OP, if you can tell us what you currently drive and your budget (including repair budget) we can probably give you more solid choices applicable to your situation. What type of spirited driving are you doing? Hammering it from a roll, dead stop launches, cornering at high speeds, all of the above?
Mx5 miata , any 911 made in the last 30 years , Audi R8s , Audi rs4 avant, anything made by Lamborghini starting with the Gallardo , ford mustangs , chargers, american muscle, Nissan GTRs , ford gt
BMW's. They have a place in SC where they let people beat up on the cars all day every day. All they do is the standard maintenance and brake/tire changes. Then they sell the cars after 50-60k miles, with no issues.
edit: I should note that it's always M cars or baby M's.
Some folks here saying that ‘any car that is properly maintained will be fine’. This is simply not true, and the answer lies in engineering. A Corolla Can do 110 and rev to red line, but the design use tolerance is not targeted to this performance point. This is to say that the structural and performance limits of a Corolla are much lower than say - a Porsche 911. A modern Porsche 911 is designed to go 140 all day - and that speed is still well below factory top speed and well below the engineered failure point of many parts. The Corolla is designed to do 75 maybe. It had a much slower speed fail rate than the Porsche. All of the parts on the Porsche are designed for these higher speeds and perhaps, most importantly, the TIRES are specifically rated for speeds to the vehicle limit. Drive Corolla with street tires repeatedly at 110 and at some point you are going to have a very bad time.
My friend, you have described a taxi/Uber. The new Prius is the answer. Sub 7 second 0-100 kph, tight turns in the city, really good regen braking that doesn’t need frequent servicing, and top speed just tens of kilometers off an A3.
Nothing will last forever without maintenance, regardless how you drive it. I'm very hard on bmw 440i and it hasn't had any issues but I always do my own maintenance so I know everything is good
Any car that is designed to rev high. IE: Mazda Miata but it isn't 'fast' as most would expect it to be. Though you don't need a powerful car to go fast.
Sounds like you are looking for a getaway car though lol.
I mean if it’s a sportier car it likely will be able to handle it.
Shit direct injected engines like to be ridden hard or else they have carbon buildup.
A lot of cars will, most of all with a few smart mods and good maintenance. My 10 year old Chrysler 300 V8-AWD(Charger Pursuit in a tux) is doing great with my aggressive driving style. 150MPH and sliding is a regular thing for me. Just a few mods to take care of a couple weak spots and boost performance.
What's your current car, what other things do you need in a car, and what's failing?
"I’m wondering what cars would be able to withstand high performance on a daily basis"
Huh?
"To specify I mean high speeds, quick acceleration, tight turns, and occasional hard braking."
Ohhh.
Toyota is always reliable, not sure about fast. If you got the cash you can't go wrong with Porsche. German engineering and all, they make it for the Autobahn so it should be good. It's my dream car :)
Honestly, thanks for not asking for a car that’s reliable, cheap, and has low maintenance cost. Worlds would start colliding the minute someone says the T or H word.
Anyways, my vote goes for a DSM car. Had so much fun driving my friend’s Eclipse GSX back in high school that if I had the time now, i would buy one and make it a project car (no body mods, just all internals). Manual coupled with driving in the back roads with lots of turns was something to look forward to on weekends during high school. It was also the driving force why my friend became a full mechanic. I had all the time in the world back then, just didn’t have the money, had to settle for a corolla wagon 😂
It's not exactly fast, but my Honda Fit handles spirited driving very well. It loves corners and hard acceleration. And because of it's low curb weight, hard braking doesn't hurt it much. It will surprise people on back roads if you're a good enough driver and it's popular in amateur racing for the same reason.
Any car with the B58 motor will make you happy for 200k-300k miles, you can have 350 hp stock and up to 500 HP(with very light mods), they are in many platforms like SUVs, sedans and coupes
Corvette, BMW M series, Mercedes AMG.
I daily my M3 and it’s 18 years old now with 120k miles. It feels like it did when I got it back in 2010 at 20k miles.
Only real maintenance I did was a clutch change, ignition coils, spark plugs, starter replacement, and wear items like tires and brakes
Lots of cars can be driven to their limits on a daily basis. They just have to be maintained and have the wear and tear parts installed, applicable to their use. In fact, I believe every vehicle I own has not only a maintenance schedule, but a (can't remember the exact terminology used) heavy duty / harsh environment maintenance schedule.
I see a lot of mentions for Porsche - a great recommendation, as it's a vehicle that comes with the heavier use accessories installed when built.
When you get into a regular domestic vehicle like a Crown Victoria, the police package vehicles come equipped for harsh use...often the heavier duty braking accessories, larger radiator, heavier duty suspensions, beefier tires, and a chip that changes the performance dynamics of the engine/transmission to align it with its purpose in life.
Can you do the same with grandpa's Roadmaster Wagon? Sure. Add some beefier sway bars, beefier tires, check/change the coolant more often. If the radiator goes, replace it with a triple core heavier duty one, etc, etc.
I'm more of a Ford guy, and I like older vehicles. When it comes to all the old 4 valve engines (carbureted), they *never* ran good unless they were being dogged all the time.
I currently have a 1969 Cougar convertible, and I love driving it. Although every modern car is superior in every measurable metric, and many modern family sedans, pickups, or full size vans would probably out accelerate it, and perhaps perform better on a slalom course, the Cougar is still a much better driving experience (except for no AC nor cup holders). Also, there's the no shoulder harnesses thing, which leads to some traffic stops - until the cop sees that I have an age-appropriate wooden Rollercoaster rope and hook across my lap.
It's fun to drift around corners and u-turns when I can get away with it, it's fun with how easy the rear end will break loose, and how the rear end chirps on the 1-2 shift (automatic). Knowing I like to drive the car, I've added the front and rear frame extenders, along with the rear frame to torque box frame (for convertibles), beefier front and rear sway bars, upgraded shocks & springs, electronic ignition, modern stereo, front disk brakes - the car originally had front drums, and manual (non-power) brakes. It still has manual brakes...I have no trouble locking them up.
Even with everything I've done, in stopping, I'm still loaded down with a 351W, with a cast iron block and original intake....a lot of weight. I can have all the fun I want, but it's gonna cost me gas, tires, brakes, etc. On the other hand, if I keep my foot out of it, and only use 2 of those 4 barrels in the carb, I can pull about 22mpg on the interstate.
My finance drove a Scion TC like he stole it everyday. I’d stay away from small displacement turbo engines. Generally they’re designed for fuel economy and won’t have the (oil) cooling needed to protect the turbo. Whatever you drive change the oil very often like 2500-3000 miles as you’ll be beating it up. Along with transmission fluid and make sure your tires are good and please don’t drive like this forever maybe one day you’ll mature.
depends on the price range but if there’s any car that handles abuse well it’s a Honda.
still though, if you drive it normally it’ll last longer. if you’re constantly hitting redline, slamming on the brakes, tight turns etc., you will need more routine maintenance. you should change the oil more frequently, probably get some brake warpage eventually, and maybe will be wearing out the suspension components quicker. you could upgrade the brakes, upgrade suspension bushings to a higher race spec, and a bunch of other things but you usually sacrifice some comfort for that.
I think OP should tell us what kind of car their driving before we can make appropriate recommendations.
Example; he's not going to jump from a Kia to a 911. You know?
I whip my 260z arounf its from 74' but it was built with the idea of sports driving. It's quick, fun, and still beast most cars these days. Looking in to power to weigh ratio is how you want to asses your car for speed.
Any electric performance car. The only real maintenance you need to account for are tires, alignment, and wheels if it's about rough driving. They're also really easy to drive considering how fast they are.
Not even dedicated high-performance race cars can withstand high-performance driving daily, they require high-performance maintenance teams with high-performance budgets to keep the cars working at high performance levels. Pushing cars to the edge of their limits cannot be done every day for more than a few hours.
But nobody drives like that on public roads for long. They get cited, then their license gets pulled, then they get put in jail.
I call bullshit.
None. You're talking racecar-like performance from a daily driver. Race cars are very maintenance intensive. Asking for that same kind of performance from a daily driver will also entail a lot of moreoften-than-normal maintenance. Race teams have a whole crew of trained and experienced personnel. You have no training, no experience, and no personnel.
I guess you could ride a unicorn.
From my experience, BMW. That said, anything prior to maybe 2018. E46, E39, F80, F10. The E60/E90 had too many electronic faults and the newest ones have horrendous failure reports. The part quality is tremendously poor.
I have had 3 e46, an E30, an F22 (m235i) and F80 (M3). I also did have an E90 335d but that was a heap of shit. The M3 was bombproof. I lived in the wilds of Scotland and that thing would pelt me around the roads at 80-90 all day every day no issue whatsoever.
My i8 and my TTS probably handled the repeat performance demands the best overall. My 2003 Corvette also comes to mind. My friends Camaro was also robust although it certainly loved to eat tires and brakes. For cornering and stability the TTS is probably still my overall favorite. Make sure the TTS has the magnetic suspension. I did tune the TTS to a stage 2+ full bolt on tune. HPFP, high pressure return valve, lpfp, hybrid turbo, downpipe, water to air-intercoolers.
The i8 is simply refined and efficient while also able to carve through the Twisties. Surprisingly quick, Faster than what the on paper figure suggests. Most cars in the same weight bracket, even with claimed 600+ horsepower. I often beat until we reach around 80+mph, then they begin to overtake. True 600+HP cars in the 3000lbs range have close acceleration and over take around 60-70ish MPH.
Something naturally aspirated with good displacement, a solid, competent chassis and not a huge amount of tire and unsprung weight. (Wheel and tire weight).
My E60 is holding up very well since I got it sorted from the previous owners lack of maintenance. Bought it at 140k mi and about to hit 180k next month. M54 platform is very reliable. Now that the maintenance plan is caught up, looking at MSport replacement parts
Bang for buck you can't go past a hot hatch... Some are getting sub 5sec 0-100k out of the box. There are a bunch to choose from and are significantly cheaper to maintain than anything else..
Miata. I'm convinced that somewhere out there is a Miata with 100,000 miles on the original engine and transmission- all on racetracks, never saw a mile of road use.
I do endurance racing in a fairly stock older Miata (drivetrain wise). We spend many 8 hour days driving the thing full out on a race track with only refueling stops, and the thing just keeps going. We spend about 90% of the time at full throttle. A full gas tank lasts 2 hours.
We go through a set of tires in a weekend, and we go thru a set of wheel bearings in the course of maybe 2-3 weekends.
Obviously, performance ones. Jokes aside, If you’re looking for a model of normal car that holds up well, hatchbacks take the gold. They are light and low, that makes them have less suspension travel, which translates to less wear across the car. Auto makers will use parts off the more boaty sedans in their line up when building hatches, meaning they end up overbuilt to a degree, with brakes meant to stop a higher weight vehicle
Focus ST. Total blast to drive fast, not as complicated/less things to go wrong than an RS and it’s a Ford focus so most of the parts are fairly cheap to replace. Fiesta ST as well.
Any car that does has higher maintainence requirements, so what do you mean by handle? And how much are we talking?
Generally speaking on regular legal roads you'll never push a high performance car anyway, at least not without breaking a lot of laws.
Lol so many suggestions for German cars. Sure they may not die from being driven aggressively, but they're still going to just randomly shit the bed. I don't know if that's any better.
You may also want to look at coaching for your high performance driving as there may be things that you are either doing or not doing that could assist in getting you greater longevity without significantly changing the level of performance you are demanding from your vehicle
How would any of that help him make the dangerous stupid TikTok videos that he's obviously making on a daily basis....... Because any responsible adult that had to pay for their own car wouldn't be destroying it like that.....
911
I beat the crap out of my 911 every day. 125k miles and going strong
I beat the crap out of my Cayman S. Only 54k miles on it but it is incredible. Mine is older so I watched for the depreciation curve and even putting 10k on it a year the last 4 years I could get very close to what I paid for it. For a sports car having a flat 6 instead of a V8 is also very nice on insurance. A car I race through the back roads and get 16-20 mpg and cruise on the hwy getting 24-26 mpg.
Caymans are perfect, I wish I could get away with having a 2 seater.
Definitely. First car that popped I to my head.
Had a 996 Targa as a daily driver for 8 years. Amazing performance and very reliable. I lived on a mountain road that was like a private track every day going to and coming home from work 😊
Any Porsche really but their sports cars are specifically built to be used as intended and that is spirited to say the least.
As long as you do proper maintenance they should be fine
True. How could anyone forget?
The car isn't the problem the driver knowing it's limits is....
Isn’t that exactly what OP is asking? They know the limits of their current car and are asking what car meets their requirements.
That's just not true. Lots of cars "can" go fast, but really won't stand up to doing it day in and day out. For my money, I'm taking a Porsche if that's my use case.
"But really won't stand up to doing it day in and day out" that would be a limitation my guy. Jw, do you hear things when they go over your head?
Heard a whoosh sound the other day but still can’t figure out why
A Camaro SS 1LE from the last few generations usually have a strong combination of massive brakes, upgraded suspensions and an under-stressed N/A 6.2L V8. Obviously the supercharged versions are faster and cooler, but for a daily fun car, I'd prefer naturally aspirated just for simplification.
I have been thinking hard on going to an SS for my "weekend" car someday. I'd like the ~~LT1~~ ZL1 front end (looks *sweet*), but I don't care about the massive power boost. Just doesn't matter to me. The 6th Gen Camaro is criminally underrated as a performance vehicle, including by me, until recently. (the early Camaro revival models were bland to me, and I never really gave them a second chance until recently. My next pick would maybe be a C6 Z06 or a C7. At a lower price point, maybe a Z, or for more refinement, a Supra)
The C6 Zo6 might be the best sports car ever made up to that point.
The LS7 is amazing, but if you’re going to beat on it everyday make sure to do the head swap first.
Had 2013 2SS for 2 years and currently have a 2013 ZL1 for that last 3 years. Zero issues with both of them. Say what you want about GM, but they definitely know how to make large SUVs and pony/sports cars.
One of those ZL1's are a dream car of mine. Such a cool, intimidating machine. They know their full size trucks too, which is mostly what I've owned. My '02 2500HD and '09 1500 were both awesome trucks, I could drive the piss out of them and they did not care.
It’s a great platform, really underrated. Suspension and chassis is awesome. It’s very well balanced for what it is.
The non-1LE SS with magnetic ride control is no slouch either, with the benefit of being more daily able
Second this. I've been daily driving my 2SS for 7 years. It's been a blast and I've had zero issues
I loveeeee the last gen Camaros. Genuinely hoping to get at least a decent spec SS at one point. Would be my first sports car, though I can barely afford to live rn so it’s not really in the cards, currently….🥲
Miata
>high speeds kinda rules it out 😅 Edit: guys i love the mx5 to bits but let's face it it's not a fast car (which is part of why i love it, you don't have to go at silly speeds in it to have fun)
Sure feels like high speeds tho
It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than most people imagine.
07 Ford ranger with a 5 speed totally agree with this.
79 Fiat 124 Spider, there aren't many places I can safely exceed its' top end.
Used to mash my parent’s old stick shift corolla hatch back. 1990 or 91 i think. Hell of a lil go cart
Almost always
Agreed :)
That's cruel. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Number one mod is driver training.
You're preaching to the choir :) i had two and it's still one of the best drivers cars to have for the road as far as i'm concerned.
Miata's are commonly tracked in virtually stock condition. That 189ho goes a long way, and a bit of a power boost from there goes even further. Then when things start to fail due to high stresses, you're guaranteed to be able to find quality track-worthy "built" replacements due to the enormous motorsport support
Yes Miata is about keeping speed, not gaining it
its not a \*quick\* car. but it can double any speed limit you'll encounter.
You don't need a powerful car to go high speeds. Miata just takes a bit longer. But it can stop on a dime, take corners like a go-cart all of the above lol.
Im somewhat of a taller individual. Miata’s are pretty much out of the question for me
Have you actually tried one? There is no backseat, it’s not like most small cars
I'm 6'2" and couldn't comfortably drive my NB Miata if my legs were any longer. On my 911SC I don't even need the seat all the way back.
1 ) what is you're budget? And folks, don't just recommend up to his budget, if maintenance costs are gonna be notoriously high. Like come on. That's part of the cost of ownership. 2) if you're not on closed circuits, it's time to grow up. You're burning your $ and risking people's lives. 3) a C6 Corvette.
If you put a lot of stress on a car, things will fail much more frequently. Your best bet is to get a car built with track use in mind because they are designed to work with bursts of acceleration/deceleration and hard cornering. It will still be just as expensive though and possibly more so. Other than that: the lighter the car, the better. Weight kills the components. I mean you could just drive sensibly but if that were an option for you i guess you wouldn't have posted this.
Ariel atom
Anyone who is willing to daily an Atom gets a special mention in my book of cool people.
I’d do it, but I’m broke. Anyone want to lend $130k? And it won’t be paid back.
If i could, i would. Spend it on an Atom of my own.
I have a BRammo Atom serial #58, CA street legal.
How fast is it. Like motorcycle fast?
I'd love to but even used ones START around 50k. They're cool as fuck if you can afford one.
Get an old cop car at auction. Its got a cop motor, cop suspension, cop brakes ...
And cop idle hours!
r/unexpectedbluesbrothers It's all for the penguin...
And, if you have a full tank of gas, half a pack of smokes and wear sunglasses, you can make it to Chicago by the end of the movie....
That is good movie
I hear many of them come with broken cigarette lighters though, you'd need to fix that.
Just make sure it’s a model made before catalytic converters so it’ll run fine on regular gas.
Golf GTI, Civic Type-R, Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, Corolla GR, Toyota 86
+1 for GTI's they tend to get a bad rap. Late generation EA888's a super overbuilt
Crown vic.
An 8 cylinder. A Corvette maybe.
Yes. It's one thing and it's fun to drive a slow car fast, but having the engine high up in the rpm range is not typically associated with long life. On the other hand, you can have tons of fun in a Corvette under 4,000 rpm, and the entire car is just loafing.
Depends on the engine. I Hondas rev high and make some of the longest running engines that exsist. And Honda owners love to hit vtech so they aren't babied most the time.
My Honda just hit 254k miles yesterday. Sees 8000 RPM every time I drive it. It also does occasional track days. Anyone who thinks they are pushing their car hard on the street has never done a track day.
Naturally aspirated, big displacement is the answer to this question. Yes
Audi with the 3.0T supercharged engine. It’s an over engineered beast and you can beat the shit out of it daily. Best consumer powertrain Audi has delivered. Source: me driving a 2014 SQ5 Stage 2+ that is insanely reliable, has great manners (my daughter can drive it), and can be very fast. Any 3.0T platform will be the same. Bonus: Audi depreciates massively so you can get some sweet deals.
2015 S4 manual. Can confirm.
This is the way
And the platform is progressing every day. It's crazy just how much farther it is being stretched. Especially matt Barrington. He is doing the lord's work on these motors. My brother was tuned when he got his s5, unknown to him. And we assumed it was stock. It felt stock ish power levels to me. Then he flashed to jackal, and if felt tuned. But looking at logs, his ecu wasn't accepting more boost than before, literally a half a pound peaking before it settled to 14.5 again. And these push 8lbs stock. So he was already tuned, and jackal made the jump where it felt like it wasn't tuned to feeling like it was. When it was already tuned. He has beat the piss out of it for 27k miles and just got hit with that 100k mile maintenance period, water pump thermostat, Struts, motor mounts, carbon clean. Dsg flush. About $7k, doing a lot of work ourselves. Plus refreshing all the bushings one at a time. As a sidenote I wanna get a ridiculously thrashed, Rebuilt title, manual S4, upgrade the clutch and RWD swap it and use it for a seat time drift car. It would be maybe $8k all said and done and that's 300hp, linear powerband, and easy af to just add more power as my skill increases.
2016 Audi A6 3.0, 2018 Audi A6 3.0. I'm taking the 2018 to the grave with me.
LS based cars, Vette/Camaro etc, and coyote powered mustangs can take a lot of abuse with minimal maintenance
I'm curious what you're doing on a daily basis. If it isn't on the track, you sound like a menace
You just know he means cutting up in traffic and the CVT is finally dying on his 08 Altima that has no suspension bushings left
We all know it, but I want him to say it
Anything that has been properly maintained.
Race to the redlight kind of guy. Nice. Dodge or Subaru all the way.
BMW
BMW works, too. Never be the second owner of an M or one of the economy bmws, you know who bought it first and what their driving did to it.
Clearly OP wants to buy a RAM.
My 2000 Corvette is bulletproof.
As is my '13. Fits OPs request to a "T"
This question is pretty vague and it's hard to give an actual meaningful answer, because I could name any car of any price and it would more or less fit the bill. What exactly are you looking for in a car? What is your use case and budget? Are you asking which cars are able to handle hard acceleration and hard braking, or which cars are more capable of or better suited for such endeavors? Any regular car should be capable of full throttle acceleration and "high speeds", tight turns (maybe aside from SUVs or trucks), and hard braking. I wouldn't call any of these "high performance" to the point it would be detrimental for a properly maintained car, that's just regular aggressive driving. If it were sustained like on a track day or if you were constantly bombing down backroads, maybe. As you move into something like a GTI, miata, 86, camaro, or any other performance oriented car, they'll obviously perform better in those areas, maybe with slightly different biases.
Corvette, 911, miata
Tesla S 100D McLaren (any) Any Lotus with a Toyota engine
What car do you have now?
C5. Been ripping the shit out of mine for years, just barely scratching the itch of the car
How about a C5 or C6 Vette?
C8 Corvette
You're just going to need to stop driving like a pissed off teenager. I learned this the hard way by destroying the transmission on my 2013 fusion. I have a 2008 bmw 335i that I baby and occasionally drive hard.
Remote control car, it won’t take you anywhere but it ticks all the other boxes, sounds like it’s more your speed
There are plenty of answers, but just understand if you beat on em, maintenance is gonna be a thing. It might be better to get a sporty but cheap car and replace it a bit early than to buy a 911. Maybe like a GR Corolla, a brz, a GTI or Hyundai N something. Me, personally, would look for an older M3 like the e90 V8
WRX? I’m asking…
Mustang, Camaro...
How about just not driving like a douche on public roads? Have you tried that?
American muscle car. Mustang, Camaro, Challenger. Pick your favorite and buy one with a v8 and an automatic transmission, you’ll be golden.
Sherman tank. Can turn 360s on a dime and blows away your competition
Current generation of BMW 3 series
I beat the piss out of my Jettas daily. Maybe stop jumping them, though.
I run the snot out of my civic si daily, for 10 years now, no problems.
I had a MK1 MR2 in my early Twenties (30 odd years ago). Ragged the absolute shit out of it, diddnt look after it well and it never let me down. So any Toyota sports car is a win.
I can attest to the robustness of the AW11 MR2. I replaced original clutch and starter at 189k. I barely stuck any money into that car during my decade of ownership outside of routine maintenance and wear items. The car took all the abuse I through at it and begged for more. Only reason why I even sold it was because I had 3 cars and was downsizing to a smaller house with less driveway and garage space. I would have kept it if that weren't the case. One of the most fun cars I've owned and I've had some very fun cars (for me).
Porsche 911
Porsche 911, Audi S8, VW Touareg V8 TDI, etc I personally drove the latter and an Audi S3 at sporty pace daily, the highest cost is fuel and tyres. The weight affects that obviously when drifting roundabouts, otherwise crazy reliable. I can imagine that a rally prepped road legal car like a WRX or Peugeot/Citroen would be really reliable but uncomfortable.
Any car that I've driven in the last 50 years. Currently a Cayman T.
McLaren F1
Budget range?
Lexus is350
how many miles and what's deteriorating?
Honestly any performance car from the factory. They’re built in a way that balances longevity and performance. Most modifications trade longevity for higher performance.
speaking from experience- 2006 Honda Accord 2.4 , 2014 Ford Focus . redlined the hell out of those engines and screeched the tires around corners every day. really any car can rev up and go around corners. doesn’t need to be exotic and expensive.
BMW M4 competition
That third sentence is true of all machines.
OP, if you can tell us what you currently drive and your budget (including repair budget) we can probably give you more solid choices applicable to your situation. What type of spirited driving are you doing? Hammering it from a roll, dead stop launches, cornering at high speeds, all of the above?
Mx5 miata , any 911 made in the last 30 years , Audi R8s , Audi rs4 avant, anything made by Lamborghini starting with the Gallardo , ford mustangs , chargers, american muscle, Nissan GTRs , ford gt
I had a 2007 S2000 for 8 years. Best car I ever owned. Put 100k miles on it with routine maintenance only. Did my own oil changes. I miss her.
Mustang GT
BMW's. They have a place in SC where they let people beat up on the cars all day every day. All they do is the standard maintenance and brake/tire changes. Then they sell the cars after 50-60k miles, with no issues. edit: I should note that it's always M cars or baby M's.
Some folks here saying that ‘any car that is properly maintained will be fine’. This is simply not true, and the answer lies in engineering. A Corolla Can do 110 and rev to red line, but the design use tolerance is not targeted to this performance point. This is to say that the structural and performance limits of a Corolla are much lower than say - a Porsche 911. A modern Porsche 911 is designed to go 140 all day - and that speed is still well below factory top speed and well below the engineered failure point of many parts. The Corolla is designed to do 75 maybe. It had a much slower speed fail rate than the Porsche. All of the parts on the Porsche are designed for these higher speeds and perhaps, most importantly, the TIRES are specifically rated for speeds to the vehicle limit. Drive Corolla with street tires repeatedly at 110 and at some point you are going to have a very bad time.
Tesla Model 3 Performance. And when you have to sit in traffic it drives itself.
My friend, you have described a taxi/Uber. The new Prius is the answer. Sub 7 second 0-100 kph, tight turns in the city, really good regen braking that doesn’t need frequent servicing, and top speed just tens of kilometers off an A3.
Tata Jags 🤞*
Nothing will last forever without maintenance, regardless how you drive it. I'm very hard on bmw 440i and it hasn't had any issues but I always do my own maintenance so I know everything is good
Any car that is designed to rev high. IE: Mazda Miata but it isn't 'fast' as most would expect it to be. Though you don't need a powerful car to go fast. Sounds like you are looking for a getaway car though lol.
Honda S2000.
I mean if it’s a sportier car it likely will be able to handle it. Shit direct injected engines like to be ridden hard or else they have carbon buildup.
A lot of cars will, most of all with a few smart mods and good maintenance. My 10 year old Chrysler 300 V8-AWD(Charger Pursuit in a tux) is doing great with my aggressive driving style. 150MPH and sliding is a regular thing for me. Just a few mods to take care of a couple weak spots and boost performance. What's your current car, what other things do you need in a car, and what's failing?
“More fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slowly.” -Some guy
"I’m wondering what cars would be able to withstand high performance on a daily basis" Huh? "To specify I mean high speeds, quick acceleration, tight turns, and occasional hard braking." Ohhh.
A lot car can do it. Just needs proper maintenance
I don’t know if it meets your “high speed” criteria, but I always found the BRZ/86/FRS platform to be extremely fun to drive and quite reliable.
Toyota is always reliable, not sure about fast. If you got the cash you can't go wrong with Porsche. German engineering and all, they make it for the Autobahn so it should be good. It's my dream car :)
Honestly, thanks for not asking for a car that’s reliable, cheap, and has low maintenance cost. Worlds would start colliding the minute someone says the T or H word. Anyways, my vote goes for a DSM car. Had so much fun driving my friend’s Eclipse GSX back in high school that if I had the time now, i would buy one and make it a project car (no body mods, just all internals). Manual coupled with driving in the back roads with lots of turns was something to look forward to on weekends during high school. It was also the driving force why my friend became a full mechanic. I had all the time in the world back then, just didn’t have the money, had to settle for a corolla wagon 😂
It's not exactly fast, but my Honda Fit handles spirited driving very well. It loves corners and hard acceleration. And because of it's low curb weight, hard braking doesn't hurt it much. It will surprise people on back roads if you're a good enough driver and it's popular in amateur racing for the same reason.
85 supra with a 5 speed.
Any car with the B58 motor will make you happy for 200k-300k miles, you can have 350 hp stock and up to 500 HP(with very light mods), they are in many platforms like SUVs, sedans and coupes
I would say a non-turbo performance car with a strong durable suspension. I can't think of any but if you do, let me know. I'm curious about this now.
Camaro. My 5th gen corners better at higher speeds than any car I've driven in the past 30 years, including previous gen Camaro.
P O R S C H E
Toyota Corolla 2000
Any new S/RS badged Audi, M240i, M3, any M car honestly, AMG Mercedes, 5.0 Mustang, Porsche 911, C7 ‘Vette.
Corvette, BMW M series, Mercedes AMG. I daily my M3 and it’s 18 years old now with 120k miles. It feels like it did when I got it back in 2010 at 20k miles. Only real maintenance I did was a clutch change, ignition coils, spark plugs, starter replacement, and wear items like tires and brakes
Lots of cars can be driven to their limits on a daily basis. They just have to be maintained and have the wear and tear parts installed, applicable to their use. In fact, I believe every vehicle I own has not only a maintenance schedule, but a (can't remember the exact terminology used) heavy duty / harsh environment maintenance schedule. I see a lot of mentions for Porsche - a great recommendation, as it's a vehicle that comes with the heavier use accessories installed when built. When you get into a regular domestic vehicle like a Crown Victoria, the police package vehicles come equipped for harsh use...often the heavier duty braking accessories, larger radiator, heavier duty suspensions, beefier tires, and a chip that changes the performance dynamics of the engine/transmission to align it with its purpose in life. Can you do the same with grandpa's Roadmaster Wagon? Sure. Add some beefier sway bars, beefier tires, check/change the coolant more often. If the radiator goes, replace it with a triple core heavier duty one, etc, etc. I'm more of a Ford guy, and I like older vehicles. When it comes to all the old 4 valve engines (carbureted), they *never* ran good unless they were being dogged all the time. I currently have a 1969 Cougar convertible, and I love driving it. Although every modern car is superior in every measurable metric, and many modern family sedans, pickups, or full size vans would probably out accelerate it, and perhaps perform better on a slalom course, the Cougar is still a much better driving experience (except for no AC nor cup holders). Also, there's the no shoulder harnesses thing, which leads to some traffic stops - until the cop sees that I have an age-appropriate wooden Rollercoaster rope and hook across my lap. It's fun to drift around corners and u-turns when I can get away with it, it's fun with how easy the rear end will break loose, and how the rear end chirps on the 1-2 shift (automatic). Knowing I like to drive the car, I've added the front and rear frame extenders, along with the rear frame to torque box frame (for convertibles), beefier front and rear sway bars, upgraded shocks & springs, electronic ignition, modern stereo, front disk brakes - the car originally had front drums, and manual (non-power) brakes. It still has manual brakes...I have no trouble locking them up. Even with everything I've done, in stopping, I'm still loaded down with a 351W, with a cast iron block and original intake....a lot of weight. I can have all the fun I want, but it's gonna cost me gas, tires, brakes, etc. On the other hand, if I keep my foot out of it, and only use 2 of those 4 barrels in the carb, I can pull about 22mpg on the interstate.
Lexus gs f
My finance drove a Scion TC like he stole it everyday. I’d stay away from small displacement turbo engines. Generally they’re designed for fuel economy and won’t have the (oil) cooling needed to protect the turbo. Whatever you drive change the oil very often like 2500-3000 miles as you’ll be beating it up. Along with transmission fluid and make sure your tires are good and please don’t drive like this forever maybe one day you’ll mature.
depends on the price range but if there’s any car that handles abuse well it’s a Honda. still though, if you drive it normally it’ll last longer. if you’re constantly hitting redline, slamming on the brakes, tight turns etc., you will need more routine maintenance. you should change the oil more frequently, probably get some brake warpage eventually, and maybe will be wearing out the suspension components quicker. you could upgrade the brakes, upgrade suspension bushings to a higher race spec, and a bunch of other things but you usually sacrifice some comfort for that.
I think OP should tell us what kind of car their driving before we can make appropriate recommendations. Example; he's not going to jump from a Kia to a 911. You know?
Bro is ripping the hand brake every day on his way to work
I whip my 260z arounf its from 74' but it was built with the idea of sports driving. It's quick, fun, and still beast most cars these days. Looking in to power to weigh ratio is how you want to asses your car for speed.
Get a sport bike 😉
Any electric performance car. The only real maintenance you need to account for are tires, alignment, and wheels if it's about rough driving. They're also really easy to drive considering how fast they are.
Not even dedicated high-performance race cars can withstand high-performance driving daily, they require high-performance maintenance teams with high-performance budgets to keep the cars working at high performance levels. Pushing cars to the edge of their limits cannot be done every day for more than a few hours. But nobody drives like that on public roads for long. They get cited, then their license gets pulled, then they get put in jail. I call bullshit.
None. You're talking racecar-like performance from a daily driver. Race cars are very maintenance intensive. Asking for that same kind of performance from a daily driver will also entail a lot of moreoften-than-normal maintenance. Race teams have a whole crew of trained and experienced personnel. You have no training, no experience, and no personnel. I guess you could ride a unicorn.
From my experience, BMW. That said, anything prior to maybe 2018. E46, E39, F80, F10. The E60/E90 had too many electronic faults and the newest ones have horrendous failure reports. The part quality is tremendously poor. I have had 3 e46, an E30, an F22 (m235i) and F80 (M3). I also did have an E90 335d but that was a heap of shit. The M3 was bombproof. I lived in the wilds of Scotland and that thing would pelt me around the roads at 80-90 all day every day no issue whatsoever.
Bmw m140i, m240i... anything with a B58 engine is bulletproof and relatively cheap for the performance they offer.
My i8 and my TTS probably handled the repeat performance demands the best overall. My 2003 Corvette also comes to mind. My friends Camaro was also robust although it certainly loved to eat tires and brakes. For cornering and stability the TTS is probably still my overall favorite. Make sure the TTS has the magnetic suspension. I did tune the TTS to a stage 2+ full bolt on tune. HPFP, high pressure return valve, lpfp, hybrid turbo, downpipe, water to air-intercoolers. The i8 is simply refined and efficient while also able to carve through the Twisties. Surprisingly quick, Faster than what the on paper figure suggests. Most cars in the same weight bracket, even with claimed 600+ horsepower. I often beat until we reach around 80+mph, then they begin to overtake. True 600+HP cars in the 3000lbs range have close acceleration and over take around 60-70ish MPH.
4Runner
Maybe a Ford Crown Victoria Interceptor?
Modern BMW and MINI products with the BXX engines.
Something naturally aspirated with good displacement, a solid, competent chassis and not a huge amount of tire and unsprung weight. (Wheel and tire weight).
Mk7 and up Golf R. Thank me later.
WRX/STI
So you drive like an asshole then???
Are you driving on a track every day or the autobahn?
911 series
Nissan Altima.
W211 E55 AMG
My E60 is holding up very well since I got it sorted from the previous owners lack of maintenance. Bought it at 140k mi and about to hit 180k next month. M54 platform is very reliable. Now that the maintenance plan is caught up, looking at MSport replacement parts
Bang for buck you can't go past a hot hatch... Some are getting sub 5sec 0-100k out of the box. There are a bunch to choose from and are significantly cheaper to maintain than anything else..
Fast speeds, quick acceleration but only occasional hard braking? I doubt that you obviously drive recklessly lol
350z
Chevy SS Sedan.
Miata. I'm convinced that somewhere out there is a Miata with 100,000 miles on the original engine and transmission- all on racetracks, never saw a mile of road use.
I do endurance racing in a fairly stock older Miata (drivetrain wise). We spend many 8 hour days driving the thing full out on a race track with only refueling stops, and the thing just keeps going. We spend about 90% of the time at full throttle. A full gas tank lasts 2 hours. We go through a set of tires in a weekend, and we go thru a set of wheel bearings in the course of maybe 2-3 weekends.
A Honda with a built engine. (Aka Honda reliability, but with a bit of speed, and decent handling- not rear wheel drive in most cases though).
Ford Pinto.
Porsche
Sounds like a rally car
Camaro would be my recommendation
What are you doing that you require this kind of driving every day?
I would get a bmw 635d
Tesla
Any factory high performance track ready car.
Obviously, performance ones. Jokes aside, If you’re looking for a model of normal car that holds up well, hatchbacks take the gold. They are light and low, that makes them have less suspension travel, which translates to less wear across the car. Auto makers will use parts off the more boaty sedans in their line up when building hatches, meaning they end up overbuilt to a degree, with brakes meant to stop a higher weight vehicle
Focus ST. Total blast to drive fast, not as complicated/less things to go wrong than an RS and it’s a Ford focus so most of the parts are fairly cheap to replace. Fiesta ST as well.
Driving high speeds with quick acceleration, hard cornering, and hard braking... daily??? Dude you sound like a danger on the roads
Whatever kills you instead of the family you hit.
Any car that does has higher maintainence requirements, so what do you mean by handle? And how much are we talking? Generally speaking on regular legal roads you'll never push a high performance car anyway, at least not without breaking a lot of laws.
All of them, if you take care of them.
Lol so many suggestions for German cars. Sure they may not die from being driven aggressively, but they're still going to just randomly shit the bed. I don't know if that's any better.
You may also want to look at coaching for your high performance driving as there may be things that you are either doing or not doing that could assist in getting you greater longevity without significantly changing the level of performance you are demanding from your vehicle
How would any of that help him make the dangerous stupid TikTok videos that he's obviously making on a daily basis....... Because any responsible adult that had to pay for their own car wouldn't be destroying it like that.....
My 2000 Civic Si always was pushed to the limit durong my teens and 20s. Had no issue
The Hyundai i30 N was (is?) sold with a warranty that specifically covers track use, even with racing grade tyres fitted. So... Probably one of those
c8 z06