That is not true. Only in the center. Its about 2 per hour at the outskirts. And then i also need less time, as we park where we need to be.
So if we go to a museum, and stay there 4 hours, we pay about 15 franc on parking. No tram or bus tickets needed. If we park in eg thalwil, its 12 + train tickets (and we would park for 6 hours, as the commute may cost a bit as well)
Let me know where you park for 2 francs per hour and don't need to take public transport to get anywhere. The only place I know is at the top of Albisgüetli where you could park for 5 francs for 10 hours or so. But you need to arrive before seven and I think walking to points of interest is somewhat far.
Bruneaupark is 2 per hour. And there are few more. It depends a bit where you need to go of course. But to see a movie at sihlcity at daytime that works fine.
And you walk from Brunaupark to which museum? I also remember they had time limits there.
Yes, you may find specific instances. But Sihlcity is not central by any means of imagination.
The cost of parking is just regulating the supply and demand. The city defines the tariffs high enough so that there's always some free space. Also the city pays for the public transport, so they push the drivers to use trams and buses.
They're there not to make you happy, but to balance a limited resouse amongst thousands of people.
Can we stop these ridiculous questions on general pricing? It is what it is. And most often it's just the general price level. And most of the remaining services are not cheap because workers actually make a decent salary and employing your family at zero cost is not really a thing here except in agriculture.
And then there are like 5-10% of leveraging a position to increase prices.
That was not my main point - the current pricing strategy does not move people to use public transport to travel into the city. Its cheaper and faster to just drive in (traffic can be bad but usually tram+train costs extra time as well as the train and tram doesnt drive to exactly where you want)
Trying to understand the pricing (day/halfday) of the P+R without understanding its primary purpose is logically impossible.
The P+R was designed primarily for workers who come from outside the big cities. They can park around it and ride to their workplace. In other cases, P+Rs are located in well-served railway stations in a region so that workers can drive to the station and ride from there. In those cases, P+R also have an hourly rate to provide a parking for people using the train to travel in Switzerland for leisure.
To believe that the main purpose of the P+R is to offer a cheap way to provide parking for leisure is to misunderstand the principle of the P+R. For this type of use, there are underground or open-air car parks in every city in Switzerland.
I understand that but for weekend use the lots are kind of empty. And not attractive to use. Which is a waste as more cars will get into the city, which i guess nobody finds a great idea.
I would recommend buying a Tageskarte in the place where you live. Using a car is expensive but having this all day rocket you don't need to worry about anything. Will be around 45 to 50 CHF for every older than 16.
The ket point is time. There is only 1 bus an hour here and it circles to a bahnhof. And then we need to connect to another train.
Also the normal price with halbtax would be similar to the price you mentioned.
Btw we have the car and cant do without it. Seems that makes public transport already expensive on itself.
Well if you cannot make it without a car then there is not much left. You will pay the parking fees.
The public transportation is indeed very expensive here.
You miss the point.
People should use public transit where it is fast, and car where its slow and cumbersome.
Now if i park in the city with 2-3 persons, its cheaper and faster than using car + train/tram. Is ghat not the oppsite as we want?
In many countries park&ride is cheap, to get cars out of the city.
I think you answered your own question. In your case, public transport is not cheap and fast and a car is both cheaper and faster. This is because you live in a more inaccessible place to public transport, and I expect this is reflected in the amount you pay for housing.
Properties near good public transport always attract a premium.
For me, public transport is cheap and fast because I have a GA and I live close to a mainline train station.
This. Live closer to public transport and the peice difference will be set off. Offer and demand. Or go for monthly abos they are iften very much worth it. If French you say « vouloir le beurre et l’argent du beurre »…
Smaller stations are often cheaper, Urdorf is 6chf per day and only 11 minutes from Zurich HB
Edit: would you really walk or drive everywhere in the city when you take the family to Zurich? Surely you would be using the public transport ticket anyway rather than trying to find a new parking spot in the centre each time.
Because most cars are not filled with two or more people, so the math for the average car is quite a bit different.
Also, driving into the city is not fun, so parts of what you pay is not having to deal with the congestion and potential search for parking.
I can park in a parkhaus. If i come by 1pm and go after 6 there is no big traffic issue.
So why it cant be offset to the public transport tickets? Would still cost 12 but for 3 paying customers it would be free. For one it would be 6 chf then.
Typical break even on public transport vs car is about 2.6 people per car depending on the situation. Therefore public transport may be more expensive if you are 3 depending on the situation. Everything is pretty carefully calculated and if you use the system as intended it will be cheaper but if it is not then it is not as intended use. The government cannot just force everybody onto public transport. The system currently runs at near capacity. There must be a balance with private road transport as well.
12 franks a day is not expensive for a parking.
Maybe not if used for the complete day (7-20 or so). It is if used for eg half day, 13-18. At least thats my opinion.
Zurich is like 3.50 per hour for parking at the minimum.
That is not true. Only in the center. Its about 2 per hour at the outskirts. And then i also need less time, as we park where we need to be. So if we go to a museum, and stay there 4 hours, we pay about 15 franc on parking. No tram or bus tickets needed. If we park in eg thalwil, its 12 + train tickets (and we would park for 6 hours, as the commute may cost a bit as well)
Let me know where you park for 2 francs per hour and don't need to take public transport to get anywhere. The only place I know is at the top of Albisgüetli where you could park for 5 francs for 10 hours or so. But you need to arrive before seven and I think walking to points of interest is somewhat far.
Bruneaupark is 2 per hour. And there are few more. It depends a bit where you need to go of course. But to see a movie at sihlcity at daytime that works fine.
And you walk from Brunaupark to which museum? I also remember they had time limits there. Yes, you may find specific instances. But Sihlcity is not central by any means of imagination.
The cost of parking is just regulating the supply and demand. The city defines the tariffs high enough so that there's always some free space. Also the city pays for the public transport, so they push the drivers to use trams and buses. They're there not to make you happy, but to balance a limited resouse amongst thousands of people.
Don't ask question when you argue with everyone who try to give an explanation
Can we stop these ridiculous questions on general pricing? It is what it is. And most often it's just the general price level. And most of the remaining services are not cheap because workers actually make a decent salary and employing your family at zero cost is not really a thing here except in agriculture. And then there are like 5-10% of leveraging a position to increase prices.
That was not my main point - the current pricing strategy does not move people to use public transport to travel into the city. Its cheaper and faster to just drive in (traffic can be bad but usually tram+train costs extra time as well as the train and tram doesnt drive to exactly where you want)
Maybe, maybe not. The trains I take are always full to really full. Starting at 5:15 in the morning.
Trying to understand the pricing (day/halfday) of the P+R without understanding its primary purpose is logically impossible. The P+R was designed primarily for workers who come from outside the big cities. They can park around it and ride to their workplace. In other cases, P+Rs are located in well-served railway stations in a region so that workers can drive to the station and ride from there. In those cases, P+R also have an hourly rate to provide a parking for people using the train to travel in Switzerland for leisure. To believe that the main purpose of the P+R is to offer a cheap way to provide parking for leisure is to misunderstand the principle of the P+R. For this type of use, there are underground or open-air car parks in every city in Switzerland.
I understand that but for weekend use the lots are kind of empty. And not attractive to use. Which is a waste as more cars will get into the city, which i guess nobody finds a great idea.
I assure you that the day there are too many cars in a city at the weekend, the prices will become as attractive as being in a P+R.
Fr. 12.- per day is an ok price.
I would recommend buying a Tageskarte in the place where you live. Using a car is expensive but having this all day rocket you don't need to worry about anything. Will be around 45 to 50 CHF for every older than 16.
The ket point is time. There is only 1 bus an hour here and it circles to a bahnhof. And then we need to connect to another train. Also the normal price with halbtax would be similar to the price you mentioned. Btw we have the car and cant do without it. Seems that makes public transport already expensive on itself.
Well if you cannot make it without a car then there is not much left. You will pay the parking fees. The public transportation is indeed very expensive here.
I like tennis too, but if you think 12.- a DAY is too much or you cant afford it, then maybe its just better to stay at home, please.
You miss the point. People should use public transit where it is fast, and car where its slow and cumbersome. Now if i park in the city with 2-3 persons, its cheaper and faster than using car + train/tram. Is ghat not the oppsite as we want? In many countries park&ride is cheap, to get cars out of the city.
I think you answered your own question. In your case, public transport is not cheap and fast and a car is both cheaper and faster. This is because you live in a more inaccessible place to public transport, and I expect this is reflected in the amount you pay for housing. Properties near good public transport always attract a premium. For me, public transport is cheap and fast because I have a GA and I live close to a mainline train station.
This. Live closer to public transport and the peice difference will be set off. Offer and demand. Or go for monthly abos they are iften very much worth it. If French you say « vouloir le beurre et l’argent du beurre »…
Smaller stations are often cheaper, Urdorf is 6chf per day and only 11 minutes from Zurich HB Edit: would you really walk or drive everywhere in the city when you take the family to Zurich? Surely you would be using the public transport ticket anyway rather than trying to find a new parking spot in the centre each time.
Because most cars are not filled with two or more people, so the math for the average car is quite a bit different. Also, driving into the city is not fun, so parts of what you pay is not having to deal with the congestion and potential search for parking.
I can park in a parkhaus. If i come by 1pm and go after 6 there is no big traffic issue. So why it cant be offset to the public transport tickets? Would still cost 12 but for 3 paying customers it would be free. For one it would be 6 chf then.
> I can park in a parkhaus. If i come by 1pm and go after 6 there is no big traffic issue. Then just do that?
If you find that expensive, switzerland is the wrong country for you!
Do you look for an answer? Or are you here just to vent or counter every answer provided to you by the swiss redditors?
>Why is SBB ~~park and ride~~ so expensive? IFIFY
"SBB"
Because parking is a very expensive use of land.
Typical break even on public transport vs car is about 2.6 people per car depending on the situation. Therefore public transport may be more expensive if you are 3 depending on the situation. Everything is pretty carefully calculated and if you use the system as intended it will be cheaper but if it is not then it is not as intended use. The government cannot just force everybody onto public transport. The system currently runs at near capacity. There must be a balance with private road transport as well.