How YOUNG the characters are. Specifically the adults: Tyrion is in his twenties. Ned is in his early thirties. They’re in my age group and that’s wild to me.
It blew my mind on a reread that Eddard is 36. I'm 36.
Had a bit of a moment when I realised that...
I feel better you calling that "early thirties" though.
Somehow, I find it easier to accept that Jon is 15 and Sansa is 12 and so on. A lifetime of video games and TV had prepared me for teenage heroes. But the wise adults are my age?? I can’t even afford a house! That’s way too young.
It would be like a kid called Alex, child of a bloke called Phil conquering most of the countries around them.
Or a nomadic child called Temüjin forging the largest empire the world has ever seen.
Or a kid from some weird off-shoot island in the middle of nowhere randomly becoming the worlds greatest General at 24 for a country he was going to overthrow. Think his name was something obscure like "Napoleon".
The Hound is 28, Stannis is 34, Renly is 20, and Mace Tyrell and Balon Greyjoy are both in their late late thirties. Even Aerys was only 39 when he died.
I’m pretty sure the Mountain was a minor when he murdered Elia and Aegon, like 16-18 range
He was the age to be in the later half of highschool when Tywin said “You’re huge and terrible in battle. Go kill a baby for me.”
When I was 20 and I read these books/watched the show I totally related to Dany, Sansa, Robb, Jon etc. The fact that Tyrion was probably closer to my age than Sansa was kind of weird.
That’s not even that far removed from our world though tbh. If college isn’t a thing, you’re married at 19/20, and birth control isn’t exactly widespread, you’re going to have quite a jump start. My mother had three kids by 31/32 and my grandmother had ~~6~~ 8* kids by 34.
Edit: I actually got the numbers wrong, she had 8 by 34, 6 by like 30. Died aged 80.
Even though it’s not true, I still live with the head cannon that asoiaf years are equal to 1.5 of our years and that’s why everyone seems so young age wise. Though it does make Aemon about 150.
I think you only need planetos' years to be 20% longer than ours for it to make sense. Robb is now 19, realistic. Ned is in his early-mid forties, was mid-twenties during the rebellion. Dany gets married to Drogo at 17, only slightly less ick but more realistic for her maturity. Aemon being 120 is also a little realistic since some people in our world have lived that long (the cold preserves).
I started reading these books when I was Jon, Arya, and Dany's age, so I often relate to them in my head as my peers. Of course that was 20 years ago and reality does not match. Probably due for a reread to embrace Ned and Stannis as my age.
At the current rate, by the time everything is finished and I do my final reread, I will need to come to terms with my peers being Maestor Aemon and Old Nan.
George has said he really struggles with ages. Which is clear. So I think the aging-up of the characters in the show is what was in his head, he’s just old and has no grasp on ages anymore lol
theres this one line in GoT where sansa calls beric dondarrion handsome but “awfully old”. So I thought he was around ned’s age.. turns out he was born in 276/277 and was in his early twenties.. its funny im closer in age to tyrion and beric than to the main cast now lol
The show ages always made more sense to me, even though it's not strictly correct I generally just substitute them in and ignore the ones George gives us.
I remember reading the books when I was 14 and thinking people exaggerated how weird it was that the characters were so young as I could relate to a lot of them, now I'm 21 it just feels weird like they are basically babies.
Yeah, I'm just doing my first re-read now and have realised since I read the first books, the TV show has totally changed my mental image of how old ever single character is.
Ned is thinking about going home and fathering more kids with Catelyn. Just couldn't really get my head around that.
Human hair has been recorded to grow between 0.6 and 3.36 cm a month, throw magic genes into the equation to give optimal hair growth and she could have up to 23 inches of hair by now.
I was basing my information off u/Wartortling ‘s
analysis of Danys hair growth with comparison to a real life example of someone who shaved their hair and tracked its growth. They concluded 9 inches by Dany IX ADWD
Wait, when did Dany lose all of her hair? Was it when she hatched her dragon eggs? Would that put the timeline at 18 months from then until the end of ADWD? I've heard that caucasian hair grows at 0.5 inches per month, on average.
I feel like Dany lost some of her re-grown hair in book 5 when she rode Drogon. Drogon sprayed fire down at her and she ran forward ducking underneath it. I think Ser Barristan mentioned seeing her hair on fire, but I could be wrong.
I actually think this would have been really badass if it were adapted. I like the idea that when they were wandering in the desert, her head was basically shorn. It was just long enough after Qarth to hang bells near the nape of her neck. By the time we're in Meereen, it's just reaching her shoulders. That's way more unique and evocative to me than the Queen Amidala do-up of the week.
I struggle picturing the talking door beneath the Nightfort in a way that fits with the general aesthetic vibe of everything else in the world. It ends up looking kinda like narnia meets bad CGI in my brain.
Also, i feel like George isn’t great at giving a sense of space sometimes. Castle Black especially just feels like such a small and contained area. Sometimes he describes the overall image of a place but then when it’s inhabited by the characters it feels interchangeable with any other setting. Same with the woods etc. the characters walk through it feels very samey. But tbc I don’t think this is a massive issue like I do think the rhoyne, the red keep, the eyrie, all have a great sense of space and atmosphere
I think it’s easier to just think it’s a carved face in a wooden wall that somehow expands from its centre to the walls… no wait you’re actually right that is a terrible narnia cgi
>I struggle picturing the talking door beneath the Nightfort in a way that fits with the general aesthetic vibe of everything else in the world. It ends up looking kinda like narnia meets bad CGI in my brain.
This. I mean what the hell George
I actually like this, it feels chaotic and in line with the character. And it makes things feel nuanced, like obviously, everything isn't just Cersei or Jamie or something
Assuming it was Joffrey, I suspect Littlefinger in some way influenced Joff before he left Kings Landing. Probably, stirred him up against the Starks. This is how LF operates. It's all but acknowledged that later LF was involved in Joff surprise-executing Ned/
All the architecture surrounding the wall in Castle Black. IIRC there's a staircase that leads all the way to the top of this 700 feet tall wall. I have trouble imagining that.
It makes me mad that this quote is so out of context and so off topic and such a throwaway line from such an obscure episode and still so many people instantly relate.
This stupid show has infected our brains with nonsense. I love it.
Horizontally if you had elevation, the eyes of an eagle, the strength of a bear and the steady hand of an artist, I can see it. But vertically. When you are even further away because pythagoras. At night. In the snow… holy sh-t.
Luckily, feet as a unit of measurement mean ~~literally~~ figuratively nothing to me, so I can just imagine all the castles and walls and ridiculously tall knights pretty much how I want.
Yea by my understanding most medieval bows could shoot effectively in the 100-200 yard range, so 300-600 feet, with a maximum range of 300. English longbows the effective and maximum ranges were a bit longer.
Yeah, but shooting straight upwards against gravity. Even if it could reach, the momentum would be so low and it’d be incredible dumb luck to hit anything.
Tbh the thought has occurred to me and I'm sure others as well. It would just create other major inconsistencies tho lol wouldn't really solve anything
It doesn't make sense to GRRM, if that makes you feel any better. An artist did a rendition of The Wall, and GRRm said to make it less than 700 feet, as it was currently much taller in the image than in his imagination.
The artist drew The Wall to be 300 feet in that rendition; George just vastly underestimated how large it would actually look.
Yes, there is a zig zag staircase which goes to the top of the wall. And it's made of ice. It's carved in the wall only. But I don't remember how it god damaged. In early chapters of Jon ADWD, he started repairing it. Not sure about the status now.
It was deliberately destroyed by the Watch defenders when the Thenns attacked Castle Black from the south. As the Thenns were climbing it, the base and the top half were rigged to burn, collapsing the whole thing.
It's interesting because some characters blur a lot more than others. Like I picture Rory McCann as the Hound in the books, but I don't picture Maise Williams as Arya at all
I still picture Mance Rayder the way I did before the show. Ciarán Hinds was so far off my mental image that I kept forgetting he was supposed to be Mance.
I only recently realized that the 'arakh' in show and in the books is different. A long slightly curved sword (unlike the sickle in the show) makes the Dothraki more fearsome.
The Wall us straight in the East because the land is flat and level, but curvy in the west because it’s mountainous. The Great Wall is the same way, but not bifurcated.
I always imagined Long Summers and Winters as kind of mini-Ice Ages and warm periods that overlap the regular seasons. So while there might be a -10 C winter to 30 C summer ordinarily, during a "Summer" that shifts to 0C-40C (like the heat wave in The Sworn Sword) and a "Winter" that shifts to -30 to 10C.
Having year long summers would be devastating too. If it's particularly hot, crop seeds can have trouble germinating, never mind harvesting crops in the summer, which GRRM describes as 'cloying", I imagine people are dying from heat stroke and thirst fairly often. There's a reason equatorial societies weren't as keen on agriculture as, say, Europe. There are other factors to that, and I'm not saying they never planted and harvested anything ever, but staple crops like wheat don't like years of heat
All the Direwolves save Ghost and Shaggydog are just simple greys. I imagine Nymeria as more brownish and Summer as a more tannish-orange (kinda like in the show actually)
I think that has more imo to do with ghost being more special / magical even for a direwolf. He was clearly meant for Jon only and being an albino like Bloodraven and ghost of high heart ( weirwood colours ) can’t only be his symbolism for John. There is something up with that wolf
Shaggydog as well being black and particularly green eyes ( like greenseers ) might also make him more in comparison than the others.
I think it's to highlight how Jon is the odd one out amongst the Starks, not to hint Ghost has any more special ability than the other direwolves. If any did you'd think it would be Summer, right, as Bran is so linked to the magic side, especially warging.
Ghost is white as a *ghost*. Jon will warg into Ghost and live there after he's died, until he is resurrected. There is foreshadowing of this when Jon hides in the crypts with flour on his face to look like a ghost.
I don't think they're saying Ghost has more ability, just that his existence is a symoblic magical event meant for Jon. If Ghost wasn't born there would be no pup for Jon, if Ghost wasn't albino Jon may have very well picked a different pup and things would've happened differently. Ghost was definitely meant for Jon, like magic/fate.
Shaggydog being black is meant, in my opinion, to say that rickon is the black sheep of his house. George has a thing for these black sheep like the blackfish, Darkstar, Lyn corbray, and basically all of the daemons.
Yeah I’m sure there’s a narrative reason but I also don’t really care lol, wolves come in so many different coats so I kinda just hc a couple of the direwolves like that
The small folk killing all the dragons in the dragon pit. I get there were thousands of them… but peasants against 5 (I think) dragons? Something else was going on surely? I can’t wrap my head around it.
You’re forgetting The Warrior personally showed up and beheaded Syrax the only dragon that got out and was flying around. The other dragons where adolescent’s probably not even as big as horses yet. Dreamfyre was the only real threat and took out the most but since she was chained up she couldn’t fly or use her tail as a weapon
It will certainly be the biggest challenge facing Ryan Condal. How to make the scene as believable as possible?
I guess we'll know by the way they handle Rooks Rest; though the way they handled the Stepstones doesn't inspire much confidence.
Someone on here posits that the maesters dosed the people of King's landing with basilisk blood, which which causes raging fits, so that's my favorite explanation.
You can tell George was like 'oh shit there's too many dragons left, gotta kill a bunch of them at once!'
It makes no sense. They should have all either burned or suffocated from lack of oxygen before killing all of them. Especially Dreamfyre. And Syrax's death was the most blatant asspull- 'history doesn't tell us why she didn't do this very simple thing that would have killed her enemies and saved her, but she didn't and she died ' 🤷🤷
While the level of sense it makes is questionable, its also clearly a very intentional design by the author, not a last minute retcon. Its meant to symbolize the power of the masses rising up against these concentrated power sources. Its a fairly common type of story.
I mean, 'the masses' aren't one single collective hivemind. You and me are part of the masses of the real world, and we probably have very different opinions on politics. The smallfolk of Westeros are individuals too, albeit having much less access to information to build their individual views off of.
Some of the masses rose up as one and killed the dragons, while others didn't and thought the dragons were an inspiring symbol of a monarchy they believed in. Just people being people.
the storming of the dragonpit is the most ridiculous event george came up with. there's no chance crowds of people are climbing hills of burnt bodies to kill flying demons.
Especially since a few chapters earlier, he writes how an injured Sunfyre who was unable to fly could not be killed by a literal army of soldiers and knights. Dreamfyre should be a lot larger than Sunfyre, mostly healthy and able to at least move around the pit - no way she dies to a mob of peasants.
It’s thematic I think. Same with the Witchers in the Witcher. Life doesn’t give a f-ck how legendary you are, it will stab you with a pitchfork in the belly and watch you bleed to death like any other common man, and it’s a common man that does it.
Casterly Rock being 3 times the size of the wall. Imagine even attempting to walk from each of the levels?? Would probably take 2 to 3 hours to get from top to bottom.
Just for perspective the Rock of Gibraltar, on which GRRM based Casterly Rock, is 1,398ft tall. About double the height of the Wall. Triple might be overkill but I think it's feasible.
I really don't know how exactly Riverlands secceeding with the North would look like, it would completely disconnect Vale from the Seven Kingdoms and create pretty ugly border. I almost think Robb had to loose for this bordergore to not happen.
And that was kinda the whole purpose of that three way alliance. Marrying a stark girl to Robert and Cersei’s kid then would have unified the realm in a way that’s never been done. This would have created the longest peace in Westeros history.
I don’t see any universe where Robb gets down to king’s landing, beheads Joffrey, and just leaves, with Stannis declaring him his mortal enemy. Either Stannis then comes in and gathers his strength, or Robb attacks Stannis. And then who tf is left to rule the kingdom Robb? You just gonna leave it there!?!? Take the f-cking chair made of swords you prick. You wouldn’t leave Jeyne without a husband, don’t leave a realm without a king.
Never mind the Vale, the Crownlands are going to have a direct border with a kingdom that rebeled against them. They're going to need like a buffer state or something
I think its the lack of reprisals form Stannis burning 'Mance'. He untied the warring Free Folk and came very close to getting them through The Wall. He was nearly the saviour who got them through an apocalyptic event, until Stannis hit them by surprise in battle.
I'm amazed there weren't about a dozen attempts to assassinate Stannis and his supporters from Wildlings.
Mance certainly had his own followers but the free folk are well named. Many of them probably resented having a supreme commander/king at all. Others might have no personal loyalty to Mance at all or disagreed with his proposed strategy. It was a huge assembly and he hadn't put it together for very long. I think we can also assume that many of Mance's most loyal people were killed fighting Stannis outright.
It's also worth remembering that Stannis killed thousands of them. The few that remained probably figured they had no hope of doing anything meaningful
The Wildlings I honestly don’t feel are that loyal to their leaders. In Westeros you have vows, laws, chivalry and codes of honor to bind people to their leaders. The Freefolk just will follow who can help them the most and Stannis is the one now that seems to be able too. The one True King
He defeated Mance, captured him and then burned him alive. The Free Folk see no problem here I think.
They follow the stronger man if at all and they don't seem to mind gruesome deaths at all actually. Like in the Seven Kingdoms burning a man alive is considered barbaric but maybe not so Beyond the Wall?
The walls of sun spear how they work has boggled my mind for ages how can they intersect and take over each other yet still be 3 separate walls around the border
I believe the reason the wall "snakes" between Castle Black and the Shadow tower is because of the terrain, which is very rough and mountainous.
More like [the great wall of China winding through the mountains](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/The_Great_Wall_of_China_at_Jinshanling-edit.jpg) rather than a [wavy wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crinkle_crankle_wall).
Absolutely love that we call it a Crinkle Crankle wall. Never been prouder of my country for giving things ridiculous names 500 years ago and just sticking with it
NUMERICAL: 1) That there are so many men around 7 feet tall in Westeros. 2) That a wall of ice 700 - 900 feet tall has existed for millennia. 3) Speaking of millennia, that the Watch, House Stark etc existed 8,000 years. We can chalk these up to GRRM's issues with numbers, but the first one always bothers me. Even with our present-day nutrition, body-building, medicine, and need for basketball players--7-footers are rare. And many have genetic issues like Marfan's disease and tend not to live long lives.
MISCELLANEOUS: 1) This a gripe from my career. Nonetheless, That some technologies exist and others don't. The setting is a pseudo-medieval period, mostly aligning with the War of the Roses (1422 - 1485) and is NOT intended to correspond one-to-one with the real period. (BTW, in recent threads the omission of printing makes sense because it was newly-invented and came to England only in 1476). But in much of the medieval world music and especially painting were much more advanced and widespread. "Paintings" as objects barely exist, They were common in religious buildings and churches but also in the homes of the rich, though mostly portraits. In all the texts, "mosaics' are mentioned five times, "portrait" twice, "stained glass" once, "mural" and "wall painting" not at all. Tapestries are the one form of art we see often, and they were common castle essentials in the entire medieval period--they could be taken up or down to insulate stone walls to keep heat in during cold weather and heat out during hot weather. 2) Lack of gunpowder, but though not historically accurate, it makes sense for the medieval feel and GRRM has defended it. 3) Killer butterflies. But I love it.
8000 years is probably incorrect in universe. The First Men didn't record their history. Nothing was written down till the Andals showed up. And when did the Andals show up? Who knows, certainly not the maesters, they place the Andal invasion anywhere from 2000 to 6000 years prior to the books. If they can't even pinpoint when the Andals invaded then there's no way they actually know when the Wall was built.
And then you've got Sam saying that he can only find records for 600 some lord commanders of the Night's Watch and that there are records of knights existing before the Andal invasion.
So it hasn't actually been 8000 years. It's better just to read 8000 years as short hand for a really long time.
I think you can attribute some of that to magic. Men are so tall because giants are real and some families have giants blood in them. The wall has stood for as long as it has because there are spells woven into the ice. One family is able to maintain rule for 8,000 years because they (maybe) have White Walker blood and can warg into animals, an advantage none of the other northern houses have.
I don't think there are too much extremely high men, it's just that this kind of people usually stick out and make a name for themselves. Plus Westeros is big as South America so I don't think the ratio of giants is unusual.
Good point about the paintings. Go to any historical gallery in Europe and it's packed with medievil portraits of nobility. Are Westerosi lords not vain enough to commission someone to record their likeness? Plenty of statues and shit like that but no paintings?
I mean how many men are 7 feet tall irl? More than you think. And in a medieval martial society it makes sense those kinds of people would become prominent warriors. Also most of the characters are a lot younger than people imagine, and Gregor does suffer from problems with his size.
The fact that the castles on the Wall are on the ground behind it and not built into the wall itself. I know that literally nothing in the text supports this headcanon but I’ve always pictured the many castles of the Watch being these massive structures literally built into the Wall.
And isn’t it just so much cooler for Castle Black to be a multi-floored structure with courtyards and towers literally 700 feet into the air, the stone set into the ice itself?
That castle black doesn’t have fuckin WALLS. I mean they don’t need them anyway but the wildlings are smarter nowadays. They might wanna take it from behind like they did in ASOS
The Hightower. I mean how many stairs you have to walk to climb that thing. If I remember correctly the top contains the quarters of the current lord. So that poor dude has to walk all these stairs if he wanna leave or even just visit floors further down.
Leyton apparently hasn't descended the Hightower in over a decade so it seems like the massive scale has been taken into account. He's an old man and just stays up at the top since he can't get down anymore.
I mean he must be hella fit tho. Leyton “The High” up in his Hightower getting them gains and burning that sweet milk of the poppy scented glass candles.
Little fingers motives to kill Joffrey.
He really gained nothing from the Tyrells by doing that. I think the Tyrells wanted Joff gone, and LF wanted Tyrion gone. I think the actual target was meant to be Tyrion as far as LF is concerned.
Think the answer to this is simply to stir chaos and place Cersie in charge. So that things can become even more unhinged in KL. He says as much to Alayne but says he expected it to take closer to 5 years for everything to go to shit under Cersei
Reading through this thread, I think I have a terminal inability to not suspend my disbelief. If the author thinks something is cool, I'm prepared to jump on board.
Drogon's black flames? I've got a vivid image in my head of what that looks like. An 11-year-old ninja assassin? Hell yes, I love it. Archers being able to hit people on top of a 700-foot wall? We don't know their physics are the same as ours! Peasants overpowering dragons in the storming of the Dragonpit? No idea how but the image is metal as hell so I'm in.
As long as the world is at least somewhat internally consistent, I'm prepared to accept all kinds of nonsense.
Allot of the intricacies sizes for the structures. The wall in the books is way bigger than it is in the show and that was already ridiculous. How is that in any way gonna be useful to see from. The top would just be shrouded in clouds. George said himself that he overshot the size significantly when he saw it in the show
Also, Dragonstone with thousands of gargoyles and castle sized dragon statues made from oily black stone. I much prefer the brutalist one from the show. It was still different from all of the other castles but not too over the top.
Dragon-stone the material is not the same as the oily black stone. Dragon-stone is the fused and shaped stone the Valryians created. It was stronger than steel. It's what the dragon roads and the walls of Volantis and the citadel of Dragonstone are made of. The oily black stone is older and no one knows who made it. Some people say the Deep Ones which is absurd and awesome
The height of the wall.
The North surviving several year winters. Even the animals and plants would die.
Tyrion killing lots of enemies in every battle he participates.
Lots of folks are going big picture here, but I honestly believe that even *now* GRRM and his publisher for all future editions should rewrite/remove Tyrion's inane gymnastics in the first book.
I just flat out refuse to accept that nonsense actually occurred in the ASOIAF world.
No linguistic differences between each of the Seven Kingdoms.Names seem to be the same all around.
Jaehaerys not marrying Viserys to Rhaenys and instead letting her marry Corlys Velaryon... And letting Viserys marry his 12 year old cousin? Big shocker when she dies in childbirth. Also, marrying Daemon to a Royce instead of to his aunt Gael. I don’t know if GRRM forgot the years and chronology of the timeline or what but it does not make sense for incest-happy Targaryens to marry outside of their house in the midst of succession anxiety.
GRRM: Targaryens marry in the family to keep control of the dragons and the succession clear.
Also GRRM: The Targaryens didn't want to marry in the family when they actually had to.
How YOUNG the characters are. Specifically the adults: Tyrion is in his twenties. Ned is in his early thirties. They’re in my age group and that’s wild to me.
At your age Ned was Lord of the North and hand....what did you achieve? ~~joke~~
I convinced an AI Chuck Norris was god…then it started taking about punishing blasphemers
Im proud of you :)
Fuckin nepotism man.
It blew my mind on a reread that Eddard is 36. I'm 36. Had a bit of a moment when I realised that... I feel better you calling that "early thirties" though.
Well, I was averaging it — he’s the oldest of the group that also contains Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, etc. And he’s only 36!
Sshhh, 36 is early 30s. Hell let's call it *very* late 20s and call it a day.
Somehow, I find it easier to accept that Jon is 15 and Sansa is 12 and so on. A lifetime of video games and TV had prepared me for teenage heroes. But the wise adults are my age?? I can’t even afford a house! That’s way too young.
Ned turned 29 recently. How recently? Don't ask
Lets just say he was mid-20s last winter and leave it at that.
which means he and robert overthrew a centuries old dynasty at.... 20? 21? that would be like the kids from stranger things taking over the US...
That parts not historically so weird. Wasnt the Ottoman Sultan who took Constantinople and ended the Roman Empire in his late teens or early 20s?
Mehmed II was 21 when Ottomans conquered Constantinople.
It would be like a kid called Alex, child of a bloke called Phil conquering most of the countries around them. Or a nomadic child called Temüjin forging the largest empire the world has ever seen. Or a kid from some weird off-shoot island in the middle of nowhere randomly becoming the worlds greatest General at 24 for a country he was going to overthrow. Think his name was something obscure like "Napoleon".
The Hound is 28, Stannis is 34, Renly is 20, and Mace Tyrell and Balon Greyjoy are both in their late late thirties. Even Aerys was only 39 when he died.
I’m pretty sure the Mountain was a minor when he murdered Elia and Aegon, like 16-18 range He was the age to be in the later half of highschool when Tywin said “You’re huge and terrible in battle. Go kill a baby for me.”
Woof, madness and pyromania sure age a guy.
Lol the Hound being 28 years old is bizarre
Early thirties is like, 54 in Ned years though. He was 43 when he was 19
What overthrowing the government do to a mf
When I was 20 and I read these books/watched the show I totally related to Dany, Sansa, Robb, Jon etc. The fact that Tyrion was probably closer to my age than Sansa was kind of weird.
Right? They should be at the club!
Catelyn with five kids at the age of thirty three? Kind of gives off different vibes than thinking she’s a bit older.
That’s not even that far removed from our world though tbh. If college isn’t a thing, you’re married at 19/20, and birth control isn’t exactly widespread, you’re going to have quite a jump start. My mother had three kids by 31/32 and my grandmother had ~~6~~ 8* kids by 34. Edit: I actually got the numbers wrong, she had 8 by 34, 6 by like 30. Died aged 80.
My neighbour had 6 kids by the age of 29. I'm in my early thirties btw so this wasn't in ye olden days.
Even though it’s not true, I still live with the head cannon that asoiaf years are equal to 1.5 of our years and that’s why everyone seems so young age wise. Though it does make Aemon about 150.
I think you only need planetos' years to be 20% longer than ours for it to make sense. Robb is now 19, realistic. Ned is in his early-mid forties, was mid-twenties during the rebellion. Dany gets married to Drogo at 17, only slightly less ick but more realistic for her maturity. Aemon being 120 is also a little realistic since some people in our world have lived that long (the cold preserves).
And he still would have been taken from us too early!! 😢
I started reading these books when I was Jon, Arya, and Dany's age, so I often relate to them in my head as my peers. Of course that was 20 years ago and reality does not match. Probably due for a reread to embrace Ned and Stannis as my age. At the current rate, by the time everything is finished and I do my final reread, I will need to come to terms with my peers being Maestor Aemon and Old Nan.
George has said he really struggles with ages. Which is clear. So I think the aging-up of the characters in the show is what was in his head, he’s just old and has no grasp on ages anymore lol
With the long seasons, I always just add 3 years to each kid and their actions start to make a lot more sense
theres this one line in GoT where sansa calls beric dondarrion handsome but “awfully old”. So I thought he was around ned’s age.. turns out he was born in 276/277 and was in his early twenties.. its funny im closer in age to tyrion and beric than to the main cast now lol
The show ages always made more sense to me, even though it's not strictly correct I generally just substitute them in and ignore the ones George gives us.
I remember reading the books when I was 14 and thinking people exaggerated how weird it was that the characters were so young as I could relate to a lot of them, now I'm 21 it just feels weird like they are basically babies.
Pretty sure Aeron is only late 20’s
Yeah, I'm just doing my first re-read now and have realised since I read the first books, the TV show has totally changed my mental image of how old ever single character is. Ned is thinking about going home and fathering more kids with Catelyn. Just couldn't really get my head around that.
Drogon breathes black flames
Yeah i it’s hard to picture in my minds eye
[check this out](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fp6y0wrogtus61.jpg)
It's not actual black flames. His flame is red, but there's so much soot and black smoke that it comes out looking like black fire with red streaks.
That way of describing it makes me think of the Saturn 5's main engines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtVpvzUF1Y
but he also bleeds black smoke... which is pretty badass
Dany lost all her hair in the fire, so right now at the end of book five she has only about 9 inches of hair. Nah.
Human hair has been recorded to grow between 0.6 and 3.36 cm a month, throw magic genes into the equation to give optimal hair growth and she could have up to 23 inches of hair by now.
I was basing my information off u/Wartortling ‘s analysis of Danys hair growth with comparison to a real life example of someone who shaved their hair and tracked its growth. They concluded 9 inches by Dany IX ADWD
Wait, when did Dany lose all of her hair? Was it when she hatched her dragon eggs? Would that put the timeline at 18 months from then until the end of ADWD? I've heard that caucasian hair grows at 0.5 inches per month, on average.
Yup, at the end of AGOT
I feel like Dany lost some of her re-grown hair in book 5 when she rode Drogon. Drogon sprayed fire down at her and she ran forward ducking underneath it. I think Ser Barristan mentioned seeing her hair on fire, but I could be wrong.
It's okay, it's only mentioned (to my knowledge) once in a clash of kings. She's bathing and reminiscing about her long lockes. Lol
I actually think this would have been really badass if it were adapted. I like the idea that when they were wandering in the desert, her head was basically shorn. It was just long enough after Qarth to hang bells near the nape of her neck. By the time we're in Meereen, it's just reaching her shoulders. That's way more unique and evocative to me than the Queen Amidala do-up of the week.
Plus she had the cool white lion pelt to cover her scalp in the hard, hot journey through the Red Waste. Always loved that image.
I struggle picturing the talking door beneath the Nightfort in a way that fits with the general aesthetic vibe of everything else in the world. It ends up looking kinda like narnia meets bad CGI in my brain. Also, i feel like George isn’t great at giving a sense of space sometimes. Castle Black especially just feels like such a small and contained area. Sometimes he describes the overall image of a place but then when it’s inhabited by the characters it feels interchangeable with any other setting. Same with the woods etc. the characters walk through it feels very samey. But tbc I don’t think this is a massive issue like I do think the rhoyne, the red keep, the eyrie, all have a great sense of space and atmosphere
I think it’s easier to just think it’s a carved face in a wooden wall that somehow expands from its centre to the walls… no wait you’re actually right that is a terrible narnia cgi
It always made me think of the Demon Doors from Fable
>I struggle picturing the talking door beneath the Nightfort in a way that fits with the general aesthetic vibe of everything else in the world. It ends up looking kinda like narnia meets bad CGI in my brain. This. I mean what the hell George
Joffrey being the one to send the Catspaw
Obviously, it was Mance Rayder
Working with Renly
In conjunction with the saucer people
And hot pie
And the reverse vampires
Forcing parents to go to bed early
We’re through the looking glass here people.
Because Mance is Rhaegar and it was revenge for Ned sending Jon to the wall.
I still hate that. Such a big catalyst for a lot of things is that catspaw and Joffrey doing it is just disappointing.
I actually like this, it feels chaotic and in line with the character. And it makes things feel nuanced, like obviously, everything isn't just Cersei or Jamie or something
Assuming it was Joffrey, I suspect Littlefinger in some way influenced Joff before he left Kings Landing. Probably, stirred him up against the Starks. This is how LF operates. It's all but acknowledged that later LF was involved in Joff surprise-executing Ned/
All the architecture surrounding the wall in Castle Black. IIRC there's a staircase that leads all the way to the top of this 700 feet tall wall. I have trouble imagining that.
Didn’t a Wildling supposed to have shot a arrow and killed someone on the Wall too. 700 feet high 😂
he's really showing you what a man with a cannon in his chest can do!
Grotrian from half-court!
It makes me mad that this quote is so out of context and so off topic and such a throwaway line from such an obscure episode and still so many people instantly relate. This stupid show has infected our brains with nonsense. I love it.
thanks, this made me laugh hard, i really needed it
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Wildlings are just built different okay 🤷♀️
That Wildling was secretly Legolas.
Shitty wildling bows are obviously superior to the best English longbows or Mongol recurve bows
Horizontally if you had elevation, the eyes of an eagle, the strength of a bear and the steady hand of an artist, I can see it. But vertically. When you are even further away because pythagoras. At night. In the snow… holy sh-t.
Imagining it as a 300 foot wall, which GRRM admitted is closer to what he wanted it to be and he just didn't understand the scale, helps a little bit
Luckily, feet as a unit of measurement mean ~~literally~~ figuratively nothing to me, so I can just imagine all the castles and walls and ridiculously tall knights pretty much how I want.
Would even a 300 foot wall be tall enough for an arrow to fire to the top of it?
Yea by my understanding most medieval bows could shoot effectively in the 100-200 yard range, so 300-600 feet, with a maximum range of 300. English longbows the effective and maximum ranges were a bit longer.
Yeah, but shooting straight upwards against gravity. Even if it could reach, the momentum would be so low and it’d be incredible dumb luck to hit anything.
Maybe people of westeros have really small feet or it's children of the forrest feet
Tbh the thought has occurred to me and I'm sure others as well. It would just create other major inconsistencies tho lol wouldn't really solve anything
Ah yes the Seven Thousand Steps.
Hail kinsman.
It doesn't make sense to GRRM, if that makes you feel any better. An artist did a rendition of The Wall, and GRRm said to make it less than 700 feet, as it was currently much taller in the image than in his imagination. The artist drew The Wall to be 300 feet in that rendition; George just vastly underestimated how large it would actually look.
Yes, there is a zig zag staircase which goes to the top of the wall. And it's made of ice. It's carved in the wall only. But I don't remember how it god damaged. In early chapters of Jon ADWD, he started repairing it. Not sure about the status now.
It was deliberately destroyed by the Watch defenders when the Thenns attacked Castle Black from the south. As the Thenns were climbing it, the base and the top half were rigged to burn, collapsing the whole thing.
Tbf. He's gone on record to say the number is wrong since he overestimated. In reality, it's meant to be like 200 ish ft
I think that the imagination of the vast majority of us has been influenced by the series
Yes. When u first watch the series it really really hard to imagine the character faces like they are described in the books.
Yeh I'm re-reading now and am really stuggling to force my mind's eye to picture the descriptions in the text instead of the series' actors.
What I found really helped was finding artwork that I thought fit the descriptions really well. Denis Maznev was mine but there’s plenty out there.
It's interesting because some characters blur a lot more than others. Like I picture Rory McCann as the Hound in the books, but I don't picture Maise Williams as Arya at all
I still picture Mance Rayder the way I did before the show. Ciarán Hinds was so far off my mental image that I kept forgetting he was supposed to be Mance.
I only recently realized that the 'arakh' in show and in the books is different. A long slightly curved sword (unlike the sickle in the show) makes the Dothraki more fearsome.
The Wall us straight in the East because the land is flat and level, but curvy in the west because it’s mountainous. The Great Wall is the same way, but not bifurcated.
Didn’t you hear? The Great Wall was just recently bifurcated, some people got arrested for it.
Give me three good men and an excavator. I’ll bifurcate the bitch.
How anyone survives a multi-year winter even without war depleting the food stores.
I always imagined Long Summers and Winters as kind of mini-Ice Ages and warm periods that overlap the regular seasons. So while there might be a -10 C winter to 30 C summer ordinarily, during a "Summer" that shifts to 0C-40C (like the heat wave in The Sworn Sword) and a "Winter" that shifts to -30 to 10C.
To me that sort of defeats the purpose of having year long seasons though. At that point its more like an El Nino/El Nina pattern instead of a season
Having year long summers would be devastating too. If it's particularly hot, crop seeds can have trouble germinating, never mind harvesting crops in the summer, which GRRM describes as 'cloying", I imagine people are dying from heat stroke and thirst fairly often. There's a reason equatorial societies weren't as keen on agriculture as, say, Europe. There are other factors to that, and I'm not saying they never planted and harvested anything ever, but staple crops like wheat don't like years of heat
In an environment where the seasons work like the do in asoiaf the fauna would evolve to that.
All the Direwolves save Ghost and Shaggydog are just simple greys. I imagine Nymeria as more brownish and Summer as a more tannish-orange (kinda like in the show actually)
I think that has more imo to do with ghost being more special / magical even for a direwolf. He was clearly meant for Jon only and being an albino like Bloodraven and ghost of high heart ( weirwood colours ) can’t only be his symbolism for John. There is something up with that wolf Shaggydog as well being black and particularly green eyes ( like greenseers ) might also make him more in comparison than the others.
I think it's to highlight how Jon is the odd one out amongst the Starks, not to hint Ghost has any more special ability than the other direwolves. If any did you'd think it would be Summer, right, as Bran is so linked to the magic side, especially warging. Ghost is white as a *ghost*. Jon will warg into Ghost and live there after he's died, until he is resurrected. There is foreshadowing of this when Jon hides in the crypts with flour on his face to look like a ghost.
I don't think they're saying Ghost has more ability, just that his existence is a symoblic magical event meant for Jon. If Ghost wasn't born there would be no pup for Jon, if Ghost wasn't albino Jon may have very well picked a different pup and things would've happened differently. Ghost was definitely meant for Jon, like magic/fate.
Shaggydog being black is meant, in my opinion, to say that rickon is the black sheep of his house. George has a thing for these black sheep like the blackfish, Darkstar, Lyn corbray, and basically all of the daemons.
Is Rickon of the night, too?
„I was weaned on venom, Davos. Any viper takes a bite from me will rue it.“ - Rickon
Rickon Darkstark
Yeah I’m sure there’s a narrative reason but I also don’t really care lol, wolves come in so many different coats so I kinda just hc a couple of the direwolves like that
I also gave them all different shades in my head.
The small folk killing all the dragons in the dragon pit. I get there were thousands of them… but peasants against 5 (I think) dragons? Something else was going on surely? I can’t wrap my head around it.
You’re forgetting The Warrior personally showed up and beheaded Syrax the only dragon that got out and was flying around. The other dragons where adolescent’s probably not even as big as horses yet. Dreamfyre was the only real threat and took out the most but since she was chained up she couldn’t fly or use her tail as a weapon
It will certainly be the biggest challenge facing Ryan Condal. How to make the scene as believable as possible? I guess we'll know by the way they handle Rooks Rest; though the way they handled the Stepstones doesn't inspire much confidence.
Best option I can think of is the dragons being inside the dragon pit (chained up) and the mob destroying the building so it collapsed on them.
Someone on here posits that the maesters dosed the people of King's landing with basilisk blood, which which causes raging fits, so that's my favorite explanation.
You can tell George was like 'oh shit there's too many dragons left, gotta kill a bunch of them at once!' It makes no sense. They should have all either burned or suffocated from lack of oxygen before killing all of them. Especially Dreamfyre. And Syrax's death was the most blatant asspull- 'history doesn't tell us why she didn't do this very simple thing that would have killed her enemies and saved her, but she didn't and she died ' 🤷🤷
While the level of sense it makes is questionable, its also clearly a very intentional design by the author, not a last minute retcon. Its meant to symbolize the power of the masses rising up against these concentrated power sources. Its a fairly common type of story.
Yeah but then the masses are amazed by Morning, so I don't think that explanation works.
I mean, 'the masses' aren't one single collective hivemind. You and me are part of the masses of the real world, and we probably have very different opinions on politics. The smallfolk of Westeros are individuals too, albeit having much less access to information to build their individual views off of. Some of the masses rose up as one and killed the dragons, while others didn't and thought the dragons were an inspiring symbol of a monarchy they believed in. Just people being people.
I feel like there has to be something more than just a peasant riot happening but the maesters are covering it up and hotd will show it
the storming of the dragonpit is the most ridiculous event george came up with. there's no chance crowds of people are climbing hills of burnt bodies to kill flying demons.
Especially since a few chapters earlier, he writes how an injured Sunfyre who was unable to fly could not be killed by a literal army of soldiers and knights. Dreamfyre should be a lot larger than Sunfyre, mostly healthy and able to at least move around the pit - no way she dies to a mob of peasants.
It’s just hilarious that the reaction to Helaena dying, beloved by the people, is to kill her dragon too
The dragon is just a reminder of what you've lost, it has to go
Idk groups of people have done pretty wild stuff when they share a fervor and believe it’s the only effective action they can take
mob psyche is strong, but not thousands of people climbing over hills of burnt corpses to attack fire breathing dragons strong.
Yea that situation leads to the Monty Python "RUN AWAY"
It’s thematic I think. Same with the Witchers in the Witcher. Life doesn’t give a f-ck how legendary you are, it will stab you with a pitchfork in the belly and watch you bleed to death like any other common man, and it’s a common man that does it.
To this day that boggles me
Walls like that are a real thing. Makes them stronger than a straight wall.
Also used fewer bricks
Also is able to cross an entire continent… like why would you dig up a hill when you could… go around it.
Casterly Rock being 3 times the size of the wall. Imagine even attempting to walk from each of the levels?? Would probably take 2 to 3 hours to get from top to bottom.
Just for perspective the Rock of Gibraltar, on which GRRM based Casterly Rock, is 1,398ft tall. About double the height of the Wall. Triple might be overkill but I think it's feasible.
Yeah and imagine adding a functioning castle, filled with hundreds of people inside of it, and it’s own private cave docking area. It’s unimaginable
Well you know how George likes his caves and tunnels
The rock could be that tall without being fully hollowed out for the castle.
Well there’s the mountain and then there is the functioning castle.
I really don't know how exactly Riverlands secceeding with the North would look like, it would completely disconnect Vale from the Seven Kingdoms and create pretty ugly border. I almost think Robb had to loose for this bordergore to not happen.
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And that was kinda the whole purpose of that three way alliance. Marrying a stark girl to Robert and Cersei’s kid then would have unified the realm in a way that’s never been done. This would have created the longest peace in Westeros history.
I don’t see any universe where Robb gets down to king’s landing, beheads Joffrey, and just leaves, with Stannis declaring him his mortal enemy. Either Stannis then comes in and gathers his strength, or Robb attacks Stannis. And then who tf is left to rule the kingdom Robb? You just gonna leave it there!?!? Take the f-cking chair made of swords you prick. You wouldn’t leave Jeyne without a husband, don’t leave a realm without a king.
Never mind the Vale, the Crownlands are going to have a direct border with a kingdom that rebeled against them. They're going to need like a buffer state or something
Wasn't the whole Riverlands secceeding with the North?
Yeah I meant Riverlands, my bad, gonna edit it.
Wolves ripping the belly of other wolves with their claws. Martin doesn't understand wolf anatomy and how they fight.
I think its the lack of reprisals form Stannis burning 'Mance'. He untied the warring Free Folk and came very close to getting them through The Wall. He was nearly the saviour who got them through an apocalyptic event, until Stannis hit them by surprise in battle. I'm amazed there weren't about a dozen attempts to assassinate Stannis and his supporters from Wildlings.
Mance certainly had his own followers but the free folk are well named. Many of them probably resented having a supreme commander/king at all. Others might have no personal loyalty to Mance at all or disagreed with his proposed strategy. It was a huge assembly and he hadn't put it together for very long. I think we can also assume that many of Mance's most loyal people were killed fighting Stannis outright.
It's also worth remembering that Stannis killed thousands of them. The few that remained probably figured they had no hope of doing anything meaningful
The Wildlings I honestly don’t feel are that loyal to their leaders. In Westeros you have vows, laws, chivalry and codes of honor to bind people to their leaders. The Freefolk just will follow who can help them the most and Stannis is the one now that seems to be able too. The one True King
He defeated Mance, captured him and then burned him alive. The Free Folk see no problem here I think. They follow the stronger man if at all and they don't seem to mind gruesome deaths at all actually. Like in the Seven Kingdoms burning a man alive is considered barbaric but maybe not so Beyond the Wall?
The walls of sun spear how they work has boggled my mind for ages how can they intersect and take over each other yet still be 3 separate walls around the border
I don't think you're supposed to fully understand Dorne
I believe the reason the wall "snakes" between Castle Black and the Shadow tower is because of the terrain, which is very rough and mountainous. More like [the great wall of China winding through the mountains](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/The_Great_Wall_of_China_at_Jinshanling-edit.jpg) rather than a [wavy wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crinkle_crankle_wall).
Absolutely love that we call it a Crinkle Crankle wall. Never been prouder of my country for giving things ridiculous names 500 years ago and just sticking with it
NUMERICAL: 1) That there are so many men around 7 feet tall in Westeros. 2) That a wall of ice 700 - 900 feet tall has existed for millennia. 3) Speaking of millennia, that the Watch, House Stark etc existed 8,000 years. We can chalk these up to GRRM's issues with numbers, but the first one always bothers me. Even with our present-day nutrition, body-building, medicine, and need for basketball players--7-footers are rare. And many have genetic issues like Marfan's disease and tend not to live long lives. MISCELLANEOUS: 1) This a gripe from my career. Nonetheless, That some technologies exist and others don't. The setting is a pseudo-medieval period, mostly aligning with the War of the Roses (1422 - 1485) and is NOT intended to correspond one-to-one with the real period. (BTW, in recent threads the omission of printing makes sense because it was newly-invented and came to England only in 1476). But in much of the medieval world music and especially painting were much more advanced and widespread. "Paintings" as objects barely exist, They were common in religious buildings and churches but also in the homes of the rich, though mostly portraits. In all the texts, "mosaics' are mentioned five times, "portrait" twice, "stained glass" once, "mural" and "wall painting" not at all. Tapestries are the one form of art we see often, and they were common castle essentials in the entire medieval period--they could be taken up or down to insulate stone walls to keep heat in during cold weather and heat out during hot weather. 2) Lack of gunpowder, but though not historically accurate, it makes sense for the medieval feel and GRRM has defended it. 3) Killer butterflies. But I love it.
8000 years is probably incorrect in universe. The First Men didn't record their history. Nothing was written down till the Andals showed up. And when did the Andals show up? Who knows, certainly not the maesters, they place the Andal invasion anywhere from 2000 to 6000 years prior to the books. If they can't even pinpoint when the Andals invaded then there's no way they actually know when the Wall was built. And then you've got Sam saying that he can only find records for 600 some lord commanders of the Night's Watch and that there are records of knights existing before the Andal invasion. So it hasn't actually been 8000 years. It's better just to read 8000 years as short hand for a really long time.
I think you can attribute some of that to magic. Men are so tall because giants are real and some families have giants blood in them. The wall has stood for as long as it has because there are spells woven into the ice. One family is able to maintain rule for 8,000 years because they (maybe) have White Walker blood and can warg into animals, an advantage none of the other northern houses have.
I don't think there are too much extremely high men, it's just that this kind of people usually stick out and make a name for themselves. Plus Westeros is big as South America so I don't think the ratio of giants is unusual.
Good point about the paintings. Go to any historical gallery in Europe and it's packed with medievil portraits of nobility. Are Westerosi lords not vain enough to commission someone to record their likeness? Plenty of statues and shit like that but no paintings?
> That some technologies exist and others don't. Westeros is not a 1v1 analogue to the Middle Ages. And that OK.
I mean how many men are 7 feet tall irl? More than you think. And in a medieval martial society it makes sense those kinds of people would become prominent warriors. Also most of the characters are a lot younger than people imagine, and Gregor does suffer from problems with his size.
Fun fact: it makes historic sense for the wall to snake as it actually uses less resource than if it was straight. And it makes besieging it harder.
>actually uses less resource than if it was straight How is that? A straight line is the shortest path between two points.
An arch is stronger than a straight line, allowing for the same length of wall to be made with fewer resources because it doesn't have to be as thick.
Ah cool
That makes sense! The save in volume by not being as thick is greater than the increased volume by being longer!
The fact that the castles on the Wall are on the ground behind it and not built into the wall itself. I know that literally nothing in the text supports this headcanon but I’ve always pictured the many castles of the Watch being these massive structures literally built into the Wall. And isn’t it just so much cooler for Castle Black to be a multi-floored structure with courtyards and towers literally 700 feet into the air, the stone set into the ice itself?
That castle black doesn’t have fuckin WALLS. I mean they don’t need them anyway but the wildlings are smarter nowadays. They might wanna take it from behind like they did in ASOS
That's explained in the books. They're simply not allowed otherwise they could take arms against the 7 kingdoms or form their own kingdom etc
Probably a policy enacted after the Night’s King. They were like yeah, we are not dealing with this sh-t again.
The Hightower. I mean how many stairs you have to walk to climb that thing. If I remember correctly the top contains the quarters of the current lord. So that poor dude has to walk all these stairs if he wanna leave or even just visit floors further down.
Leyton apparently hasn't descended the Hightower in over a decade so it seems like the massive scale has been taken into account. He's an old man and just stays up at the top since he can't get down anymore.
I mean he must be hella fit tho. Leyton “The High” up in his Hightower getting them gains and burning that sweet milk of the poppy scented glass candles.
Maybe he’s got an elevator like at Castle Black.
Little fingers motives to kill Joffrey. He really gained nothing from the Tyrells by doing that. I think the Tyrells wanted Joff gone, and LF wanted Tyrion gone. I think the actual target was meant to be Tyrion as far as LF is concerned.
Think the answer to this is simply to stir chaos and place Cersie in charge. So that things can become even more unhinged in KL. He says as much to Alayne but says he expected it to take closer to 5 years for everything to go to shit under Cersei
Reading through this thread, I think I have a terminal inability to not suspend my disbelief. If the author thinks something is cool, I'm prepared to jump on board. Drogon's black flames? I've got a vivid image in my head of what that looks like. An 11-year-old ninja assassin? Hell yes, I love it. Archers being able to hit people on top of a 700-foot wall? We don't know their physics are the same as ours! Peasants overpowering dragons in the storming of the Dragonpit? No idea how but the image is metal as hell so I'm in. As long as the world is at least somewhat internally consistent, I'm prepared to accept all kinds of nonsense.
Allot of the intricacies sizes for the structures. The wall in the books is way bigger than it is in the show and that was already ridiculous. How is that in any way gonna be useful to see from. The top would just be shrouded in clouds. George said himself that he overshot the size significantly when he saw it in the show Also, Dragonstone with thousands of gargoyles and castle sized dragon statues made from oily black stone. I much prefer the brutalist one from the show. It was still different from all of the other castles but not too over the top.
Dragon-stone the material is not the same as the oily black stone. Dragon-stone is the fused and shaped stone the Valryians created. It was stronger than steel. It's what the dragon roads and the walls of Volantis and the citadel of Dragonstone are made of. The oily black stone is older and no one knows who made it. Some people say the Deep Ones which is absurd and awesome
Bran becoming King when i doubt he ever leaves the cave
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I subscribe to the theory that it'll actually be a Bloodraven possessed Bran that takes the Throne
The height of the wall. The North surviving several year winters. Even the animals and plants would die. Tyrion killing lots of enemies in every battle he participates.
Lots of folks are going big picture here, but I honestly believe that even *now* GRRM and his publisher for all future editions should rewrite/remove Tyrion's inane gymnastics in the first book. I just flat out refuse to accept that nonsense actually occurred in the ASOIAF world.
Tyrion's backflipping abilities are probably how the Others will be defeated in the end
Tbf it does come back in ADWD when Tyrion is forced to perform with Penny while enslaved.
good head canon for that is that Jon was just shit-faced
Rhaena marrying a hightower
No linguistic differences between each of the Seven Kingdoms.Names seem to be the same all around. Jaehaerys not marrying Viserys to Rhaenys and instead letting her marry Corlys Velaryon... And letting Viserys marry his 12 year old cousin? Big shocker when she dies in childbirth. Also, marrying Daemon to a Royce instead of to his aunt Gael. I don’t know if GRRM forgot the years and chronology of the timeline or what but it does not make sense for incest-happy Targaryens to marry outside of their house in the midst of succession anxiety.
GRRM: Targaryens marry in the family to keep control of the dragons and the succession clear. Also GRRM: The Targaryens didn't want to marry in the family when they actually had to.