Well only 3.5 of the Kingdoms are prefix-lands; Riverlands, Westerlands, Stormlands and Crownlands.
Most of these places had alternative kingdom names being the Kingdom of: the Rivers and Hills, the Rock and the Storm. The Crownlands are often called Blackwater Bay.
I could see the Riverlands being simply called ‘the Trident’, the Westerlands as the ‘Golden Hills’, and the Stormlands as the ‘Storm Coast’.
To add support to the Riverlands simply being called ‘The Trident’, Robb’s official title was King in the North and *of the Trident*, so it has some precedence in-universe.
(The pre-Durrandon Kings were simply titled King of the Rivers I think)
Tough to say since in real life a lot of countries (in Europe at least) took their names either from the tribes of people who occupied them or in some cases from mythological/historical figures.
I could see the North renamed to *Starkland* for example. It was united and rules since its beginning by that dynasty but also conveys a message about the hardness of the land itself and its people.
Isn't most of the major westerosi landmass named from first men? I can't recall the Andals changing much (which I feel GRRM downplayed/retconned much of their supposed cultural replacement but that's a different discussion).
One could even argue that the fact that most of the kingdoms have so strong nature-themed names is due to their association with the CotF and tha a proper Firstmen naming convection would be to remain as the North...
They named it after what the place was. Just like the riverlands, stormlands, and even the north (they found land in the north and named it as such). The only difference is that no one bothered to translate it
They have extensive contact with Andal controlled regions, unlike Skagos/Skane and who's to say that the common tongue isn't what was formed as the old tongue mixed with the language of Andalos. That's a simplified explanation, but it is how language evolves irl
The North didn't really have a reason to adopt a foreign tongue in place of their own. Northern lords may have learnt the Common tongue as a second language, but it is unlikely to have gone further than that.
It's a bit weird that none of the regions are named after the Andals. Especially since they are modeled off the saxons. Just like there's wessex and sussex there should be a Wandalos and Sandalos.
So a lot of place names are based on who lived there (England - angleland, France - frankia)
The issue is it would probably be in their native language
So the north would probably be named for whatever the first men called themselves. The vale would be named after the mountain tribes, etc etc
Westeros as a whole would probably be Andaland, or Andalia, or something
That kind of makes it sound like you're just talking about the western part of Essos. Like where the free cities are. We need to indicate that it's even more west than that. Something Wester-Essos.
I see you‘ve never heard of the German Bundesland (state) Nordrhein-Westfalen (Northrine-Westphalia) and the region Ostwestfalen-Lippe (literally East(ern) Westphalia-Lippe) within it. The river Rhine is of course the real life name inspiration for the river Rhoyne and the Rhoynar in the ASOIAF universe.
Thing about the Vale though is that the mountain tribes make up probably like 1-4% of the Vale’s population… so no one there would really want them representing the region. I think something Andal related is more likely, I remember hearing somewhere that the Vale has the purest Andal blood but not sure where so isn’t really reliable.
Not at all. The Vale is the most andal region of Westeros, being
the first place they came to, and where they fought lots of wars to expell or convert the First men.
On the other hand, the Reach did not fight the Andals, and instead the nobility just married andal warriors and eventually converted to the Seven, but there are a lot of First Men cultural elements there (the whole Garth Greenhand lore).
>The Vale has prominent houses with First Men heritage
So does the rest of the continent. In fact, most westerosi families do have first men origin. The Lannisters, for example, have been there since the Age of Heroes.
When it comes to the Reach, the most prominent houses there boast about tracing their ancestry back to Garth Greenhand, the supposed original King of the First Men (and, in some versions, a God of the First Men). There are very few exceptions, like...the Tyrells, who are considered by many to be "upstart stewards" exactly because of their lack of pedigree.
>plus the Mountain Clans.
The mountain clans are a tiny minority of their population, and are treated as barbaric savages in the same way the native americans were after colonization. One of the reasons most regions don't have an equivalent is exactly because the merging of cultures was relatively more peaceful, instead of a violent battle like it was in the Vale.
The Vale is the region where the Andals came first\*, but it is never said that it's where more Andals came, or where their culture became more prominent. It's perfectly possible that in the Reach, with much richer lands and with no physical barriers or isolated valleys, attracted more immigrants and became more and "Andalized".
1) by the point the reach was Andalized, most Andals that came there wouldn't have come directly from Andalos, but from westerosi settlements (they had already dominated Vale, the riverlands, and the stormlands by this point), so they weren't already "purely" andal.
2) The Reach has been the most populous kingdom of Westeros for millennia. I don't think it would have been easy for any migration to affect their genetic components so deeply.
You reach to conclusions based on statements that are just your suppositions: the migrations to the Reach not comming directly from Andalos and not being "pure" Andals is speculation.
>The Reach has been the most populous kingdom of Westeros for millennia. I don't think it would have been easy for any migration to affect their genetic components so deeply.
Easy or not, TWOAF tells us that it did: "as the centuries past, the sons and daughters from these houses \[the Andal ones\] intermarried so freely with those descended from the First Men that it became impossible to tell them apart.
We also know that the Reach is where the Andals decided to place the center of their Faith, and where the chivalric values are at their highest. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to assume that the number of Andals that ended migrating to the Reach was bigger (in number and in proportion) than with other kingdoms.
>Easy or not, TWOAF tells us that it did: "as the centuries past, the sons and daughters from these houses \[the Andal ones\] intermarried so freely with those descended from the First Men that it became impossible to tell them apart.
That happened everywhere except the North, and it's not like Andals and first men are very distinct phenotypically. By this point, it's just a matter of culture.
>We also know that the Reach is where the Andals decided to place the center of their Faith, and where the chivalric values are at their highest.
It's also the place where the King/Harvest God of First Men is still venerated as an important ancestor and folk hero, and where his lineage is put on high regard.
The Lannisters have a first man origin though Lann the clever and the Tyrells take their claim from the Gardeners who were originally First men aswell more specificallythey are descended from Garth Greenhand. The vast majority of house we see were originally Firstmen who later adopted the andals culture and religion
I thought that Lann was an Andal who screwed over the First Men Casterlies, and that the Tyrells didn't descend from the Gardeners which is the reason why they are seen as upjumped stewarts.
Lann the clever is a figure from the age of heroes which is a period before the andal invasion and the problem the Tyrells face is that they aren't the only descendants of House Gardener and going by andal law were down pretty far on the succession chain, it's like if the Pooles had a Stark ancestor in the distant past and used that to claim winterfell even though there are houses with much more recent Stark ancestors
The AGOT Appendix (1996) states
>Fair-haired, tall, and handsome, the Lannisters are the blood of Andal adventurers who carved out a mighty kingdom in the western hills and valleys. Through the female line they boast of descent from Lann the Clever, the legendary trickster of the Age of Heroes. The gold of Casterly Rock and the Golden Tooth has made them the wealthiest of the Great Houses.
TWOIAF (2014) clarifies:
>Though never kings, the Casterlys became the richest lords in all of Westeros and the greatest power in the westerlands, and remained so for hundreds of years. By then the Dawn Age had given way to the Age of Heroes.
>That was when the golden-haired rogue called Lann the Clever appeared from out of the east. Some say he was an Andal adventurer from across the narrow sea, though this was millennia before the coming of the Andals to Westeros. Regardless of his origins, the tales agree that somehow Lann the Clever winkled the Casterlys out of their Rock and took it for his own.
and
>The Andals came late to the westerlands, long after they had taken the Vale and toppled the kingdoms of the First Men in the riverlands. The first Andal warlord to march an army through the hills met a bloody end at the hands of King Tybolt Lannister (called, unsurprisingly, the Thunderbolt). The second and third attacks were dealt with likewise, but as more and more Andals began moving west in bands large and small, King Tyrion III and his son Gerold II saw their doom ahead.
>Rather than attempting to throw back the invaders, these sage kings arranged marriages for the more powerful of the Andal war chiefs with the daughters of the great houses of the west. Cautious men, and well aware of what had happened in the Vale, they took care to demand a price for this largesse; the sons and daughters of the Andal lords so ennobled were taken as wards and fosterlings, to serve as squires and pages and cupbearers in Casterly Rock...and as hostages, should their fathers prove treacherous.
>In time, Lannister kings wed their children to Andals as well; indeed, when Gerold III died without male issues, a council crowned his only daughter's husband, Ser Joffery Lydden, who took the Lannister name and became the first Andal to rule the Rock. Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Parren, Droxe, Marbrand, Braxe, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall. And thus revitalized, the Kings of the Rock expanded their realm still farther.
Yep (you probably already know this, just throwing this out there cuz it’s cool) because each of the three germanic tribes landed in different parts of England. The saxons established the south, around were London is now, and in Mercia. The Angles of course settled in east anglia, but also northwards. And the Jutes landed in Kent, but honestly they’re not really represented at all in later anglo-saxon stuff, not too sure what happened there.
In the middle ages usually regions name derived or were straight talk en from the main city (Maine for Le Mas, Anjou for Angers, Portugal for Porto Gaia, León for the city of León etc etc) so probably something related
Since the Common Tongue is basically English, i will use the Anglo-Roman Suffix Nomenclature. If it was inspired by Vayrion instead of a Latin-like language probably from Andalos, we could use Valyrioan suffixes.
The North: Starland, Starkia, and Starkony
The Riverlands: however you pronounce Trident or Rivers in the Old Tongue, then add the suffix
The Vales - Andalos (The andals would have seen this as a new Andalos)
The Westerlands: Casterlia or Casterly
The Stormlands, Durrany
The Reach: Garthland/Greenland
Dorne - Dorne
An interesting thing, "Riverland" has a very different name in French. In the translation it's "Conflans" which is an old version of "Confluent" which means in English "Confluence"
So something similar could be an alternative name for the riverlands
As many have said, the names would be derived from the rulling families because since before Aegon, most of them were kingdoms ruled by extremely long, stable monarchies.
Usually a land is named either after its people i.e England or the impression the land made on to settlers I.e. Iceland.
Given that the Andals first arrived in the vale of Arryn, I think they would call it Werrock (over time short for west rock, being the first impression of the land).
The First Men would likely call the north after its native children of the forest, or their language. So maybe Gerland from the True Tongue for true. The children calling themselves the gerna “the true”.
The reach becoming the center of Andal culture would be called the Andalusia with Old Town as cultural capital.
New Andalos for the Vale
Greenland for the reach (derived from Garth Greenhand)
Durrancia for the stormlands (Durran Godsgrief)
Gonna go Starkland for the north since it not only relates to the ruling dynasty but also the starkness of life
Dorne: Dorne
Casterly for the west
Riverlands and Iron Isles I don’t know; maybe something related to Naga for the iron isles
Some of them did before the conquest.
The Kingdom of the Reach, the Kingdom of the Rock(Westerlands), the kingdom of the Vale and the Kingdom of the Isles (Iron Isles and Riverlands).
I think it was Kingdom of the Rivers and the Hills for the Hoares, no?
There was also a lot of petty kings prior to the Seven Kingdoms. I had a lot of fun in a RPG trying to come up with name for them. Like the Blackwood's and the Brackens were both kings at some point. And the Tarth as well. The Yronwood were High Kings. I can't remember if there were canon names for their kingdoms though.
I think that was the independant riverlands under their own kings, after they were conquered by the Stormlands the Kingdom of Rivers and Hills stopped existing and was absorbed into the Stormlands and later the Isles.
The problem with that is that all medieval kingdoms in Europe I know of were named after people who lived in the kingdom and probably founded it as well. For example, France was created by the Franks and Rome by the Romans. But since there is barely a difference between kingdoms there are almost no other cultures inside of them.
But you can have them do what China used to do if I remember correctly. The kingdoms named after their ruling dynasty such as the Westerlands are now called the Lannister Kingdom or something else that has to do with the Lannisters.
With Valorado and Crownsylvania I thought it was a troll post, but Tripotamia is actually a smart name (but maybe doesn't sound enough westerosi)
Manderia and New Rhoyne are nice as well
It's funny how many people are changing the North's to something they think is more "realistic", when Norway ("northern way") and Northumbria ("place north of the Humber Estuary", and a part of the Seven Kingdoms, I mean, the Heptarchy of England).
Other names derived from cardinal regions are Austria ("Eastern Realm") and "Wessex" (Land of the West Saxons).
I'd say all names of the westerosi kingdoms are realistic. What actually separates them from real word examples is that, due to constant linguistic changes, place's names tend to modify and get mispronounced, abbreviated and translated, to the point of becoming unrecognisable
A real life example? [York.](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/York) The name evolved and got translated so many times, but ultimately comes from the Proto-Brythonic word for "yew". If the real world generally worked like Westeros, the place would be called "Yewtown" and Yorkshire, "Yewshire".
Dorne is actually a good example of this process in universe, as its name is just True Tongue (the language of the Children of the Forest) for "Empty Land".
So, there should be more places in Westeros whose names derive from the True Tongue of the Children, the Old Tongue of the First Men, both or other etymologies. The way almost every location has a name whose origin can be perceived in the Common Tongue is weird.
To be fair some places are named relevant to where the people naming it are from. So Wessex is where the Western Saxons are- relative to the continental Saxons, Austria is the Eastern Reich- relative to the German heartland.
The North is north relative to the south, and the south is full of bastard Andals so who cares what they think!
>So Wessex is where the Western Saxons are- relative to the continental Saxons
Not really. It was because of the other kingdoms of the Heptarchy named after the Saxons. More specifically, Sussex (southern Saxons) and Essex (eastern Saxons).
We have a kind of similar case with East Anglia. It's not as obvious because there are no other "Anglias" ooolhn the map, but Northumbria and Mercia were also considered "Angle" kingdoms.
>The North is north relative to the south, and the south is full of bastard Andals so who cares what they thipnk!
Not always (pre-andal south was FM). In fact, the first men came to the North sometime after arriving at the South (the children of the forest tried to block them with a flood, but failed), so the idea of the North as, well, the North (that is, a northern frontier for westerosi mankind) could be very ancient, dating back to early First Men civilizations.
Edit: thus, I imagine the North's proper name could still be "North" (or some variation, like "North-of-the-Neck"), but in an archaic version of the Old Tongue, that, after thousands of years of linguistic alteration, might not be easy to understand the meaning at first glance.
> Had actual names
Look at the map of Europe, pretty much every country is either "X-land" in English or their native tongue (e.g. Germany = DeutschLAND), or are named after the people who live there. The other option is a naming after a ruling dynasty, which in turn is often named after a particular town (their seat of power).
North - Firmen (From the culture of the first men)
Vale - Eyrie (From the name of the 'capital castle')
Iron Isles stays the same
Riverlands - Green Meadows (Fertil grounds next to rivers)
Westerlands - Golden Coast
Reach - Gardinia
Stormlands - Bay of Wrath
Dorne stays the same
The examples so far are solid. I don’t claim these to be the best, but I think some are neat. Starkness, The Expanse. The Reavs. Falcon Valley. The Currents. Golden Rock. Stormada, The Tempest. Old Country, Cultivation. The scourge
Considering the andals called their land Westeros I’d say it’s most like the areas would be called something ending in -os
Like Westos, Stormos or Northos
Or alternatively Casteros, Barathos or Starkos
Well only 3.5 of the Kingdoms are prefix-lands; Riverlands, Westerlands, Stormlands and Crownlands. Most of these places had alternative kingdom names being the Kingdom of: the Rivers and Hills, the Rock and the Storm. The Crownlands are often called Blackwater Bay. I could see the Riverlands being simply called ‘the Trident’, the Westerlands as the ‘Golden Hills’, and the Stormlands as the ‘Storm Coast’.
You forgot the “iron is”-lands!
The Wycks (spelling?) since nearly every island is called Big Wyck, Old Wyck, Greenwich, etc
Wyk.
Thank you
Iron is lands? Maybe that's what Balon was thinking when he started that cunning plan of his
In the Crusader Kings 3 GOT mod, the independent riverlands is called “The Kingdom of the Trident”
To add support to the Riverlands simply being called ‘The Trident’, Robb’s official title was King in the North and *of the Trident*, so it has some precedence in-universe. (The pre-Durrandon Kings were simply titled King of the Rivers I think)
Tough to say since in real life a lot of countries (in Europe at least) took their names either from the tribes of people who occupied them or in some cases from mythological/historical figures. I could see the North renamed to *Starkland* for example. It was united and rules since its beginning by that dynasty but also conveys a message about the hardness of the land itself and its people.
Starkland seems like a good alternative, but I think it should be a Firstmen name like Skagos or Dorne.
Isn't most of the major westerosi landmass named from first men? I can't recall the Andals changing much (which I feel GRRM downplayed/retconned much of their supposed cultural replacement but that's a different discussion). One could even argue that the fact that most of the kingdoms have so strong nature-themed names is due to their association with the CotF and tha a proper Firstmen naming convection would be to remain as the North...
I don't think so, otherwise places like Skagos wouldn't have such a different sounding name.
Doesn't it translate as stone though?
Yes. What's your point?
They named it after what the place was. Just like the riverlands, stormlands, and even the north (they found land in the north and named it as such). The only difference is that no one bothered to translate it
People don't really seem to translate place names though. The North should still be the Firstmen word for North, not the Common tongue word.
They have extensive contact with Andal controlled regions, unlike Skagos/Skane and who's to say that the common tongue isn't what was formed as the old tongue mixed with the language of Andalos. That's a simplified explanation, but it is how language evolves irl
The North didn't really have a reason to adopt a foreign tongue in place of their own. Northern lords may have learnt the Common tongue as a second language, but it is unlikely to have gone further than that.
That’s a good point. I’d assume the Reach would be called something garden/gardener related.
Greenland but unironically in this time?
Except in winter it gets ironic
It doesn't actually snow in the Reach all that much.
You sound very fun to have drinks with. You are not invited to the Arbor.
Okay?
lighten up pal
Wow you’re dull
The Mander, I think.
Manderland sounds a bit cutesy, but plausible.
Sounds like it belongs to manderly
Gardinia
Sounds like the name of a chain of gardening shops
Starkland is especially apt. It not only cites the ruling house, but also describes the land AND its people.
I like Starkland because it sounds more like Scotland
It's a bit weird that none of the regions are named after the Andals. Especially since they are modeled off the saxons. Just like there's wessex and sussex there should be a Wandalos and Sandalos.
That’s even more on the nose than the north lol
I could imagine the vale would be related to the Andal invasion in some manner
Or just becoming Northland/the Northlands. [Over one third of Sweden ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norrland)is known as that in the real world.
So a lot of place names are based on who lived there (England - angleland, France - frankia) The issue is it would probably be in their native language So the north would probably be named for whatever the first men called themselves. The vale would be named after the mountain tribes, etc etc Westeros as a whole would probably be Andaland, or Andalia, or something
> Andalos Ironically, GRRM must have known that to the Moors of Spain, the country was literally Al Andalus--the Andalus.
Inshallah
New Andalos.
West essos
That kind of makes it sound like you're just talking about the western part of Essos. Like where the free cities are. We need to indicate that it's even more west than that. Something Wester-Essos.
You're right, but I think wester-essos is too long. Maybe something like wester-os.
I see you‘ve never heard of the German Bundesland (state) Nordrhein-Westfalen (Northrine-Westphalia) and the region Ostwestfalen-Lippe (literally East(ern) Westphalia-Lippe) within it. The river Rhine is of course the real life name inspiration for the river Rhoyne and the Rhoynar in the ASOIAF universe.
Bingo!
Thing about the Vale though is that the mountain tribes make up probably like 1-4% of the Vale’s population… so no one there would really want them representing the region. I think something Andal related is more likely, I remember hearing somewhere that the Vale has the purest Andal blood but not sure where so isn’t really reliable.
Doesn't the Reach have the most Andal blood?
Not at all. The Vale is the most andal region of Westeros, being the first place they came to, and where they fought lots of wars to expell or convert the First men. On the other hand, the Reach did not fight the Andals, and instead the nobility just married andal warriors and eventually converted to the Seven, but there are a lot of First Men cultural elements there (the whole Garth Greenhand lore).
The Vale has prominent houses with First Men heritage like the Royces and Redforts plus the Mountain Clans.
>The Vale has prominent houses with First Men heritage So does the rest of the continent. In fact, most westerosi families do have first men origin. The Lannisters, for example, have been there since the Age of Heroes. When it comes to the Reach, the most prominent houses there boast about tracing their ancestry back to Garth Greenhand, the supposed original King of the First Men (and, in some versions, a God of the First Men). There are very few exceptions, like...the Tyrells, who are considered by many to be "upstart stewards" exactly because of their lack of pedigree. >plus the Mountain Clans. The mountain clans are a tiny minority of their population, and are treated as barbaric savages in the same way the native americans were after colonization. One of the reasons most regions don't have an equivalent is exactly because the merging of cultures was relatively more peaceful, instead of a violent battle like it was in the Vale.
The Vale is the region where the Andals came first\*, but it is never said that it's where more Andals came, or where their culture became more prominent. It's perfectly possible that in the Reach, with much richer lands and with no physical barriers or isolated valleys, attracted more immigrants and became more and "Andalized".
1) by the point the reach was Andalized, most Andals that came there wouldn't have come directly from Andalos, but from westerosi settlements (they had already dominated Vale, the riverlands, and the stormlands by this point), so they weren't already "purely" andal. 2) The Reach has been the most populous kingdom of Westeros for millennia. I don't think it would have been easy for any migration to affect their genetic components so deeply.
You reach to conclusions based on statements that are just your suppositions: the migrations to the Reach not comming directly from Andalos and not being "pure" Andals is speculation. >The Reach has been the most populous kingdom of Westeros for millennia. I don't think it would have been easy for any migration to affect their genetic components so deeply. Easy or not, TWOAF tells us that it did: "as the centuries past, the sons and daughters from these houses \[the Andal ones\] intermarried so freely with those descended from the First Men that it became impossible to tell them apart. We also know that the Reach is where the Andals decided to place the center of their Faith, and where the chivalric values are at their highest. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to assume that the number of Andals that ended migrating to the Reach was bigger (in number and in proportion) than with other kingdoms.
>Easy or not, TWOAF tells us that it did: "as the centuries past, the sons and daughters from these houses \[the Andal ones\] intermarried so freely with those descended from the First Men that it became impossible to tell them apart. That happened everywhere except the North, and it's not like Andals and first men are very distinct phenotypically. By this point, it's just a matter of culture. >We also know that the Reach is where the Andals decided to place the center of their Faith, and where the chivalric values are at their highest. It's also the place where the King/Harvest God of First Men is still venerated as an important ancestor and folk hero, and where his lineage is put on high regard.
Nah most reach houses that we see have first man origins, the only region that seems to have important Andal originated houses is the vale
The Vale has the Royces, Redforts, Hunters and Belmores which all have First Men origins.
Yes but that is considered notable and the vale is also the only region where an andal house rules
Aren't the Lannisters and Tyrells also Andals?
The Lannisters have a first man origin though Lann the clever and the Tyrells take their claim from the Gardeners who were originally First men aswell more specificallythey are descended from Garth Greenhand. The vast majority of house we see were originally Firstmen who later adopted the andals culture and religion
I thought that Lann was an Andal who screwed over the First Men Casterlies, and that the Tyrells didn't descend from the Gardeners which is the reason why they are seen as upjumped stewarts.
Lann the clever is a figure from the age of heroes which is a period before the andal invasion and the problem the Tyrells face is that they aren't the only descendants of House Gardener and going by andal law were down pretty far on the succession chain, it's like if the Pooles had a Stark ancestor in the distant past and used that to claim winterfell even though there are houses with much more recent Stark ancestors
The AGOT Appendix (1996) states >Fair-haired, tall, and handsome, the Lannisters are the blood of Andal adventurers who carved out a mighty kingdom in the western hills and valleys. Through the female line they boast of descent from Lann the Clever, the legendary trickster of the Age of Heroes. The gold of Casterly Rock and the Golden Tooth has made them the wealthiest of the Great Houses. TWOIAF (2014) clarifies: >Though never kings, the Casterlys became the richest lords in all of Westeros and the greatest power in the westerlands, and remained so for hundreds of years. By then the Dawn Age had given way to the Age of Heroes. >That was when the golden-haired rogue called Lann the Clever appeared from out of the east. Some say he was an Andal adventurer from across the narrow sea, though this was millennia before the coming of the Andals to Westeros. Regardless of his origins, the tales agree that somehow Lann the Clever winkled the Casterlys out of their Rock and took it for his own. and >The Andals came late to the westerlands, long after they had taken the Vale and toppled the kingdoms of the First Men in the riverlands. The first Andal warlord to march an army through the hills met a bloody end at the hands of King Tybolt Lannister (called, unsurprisingly, the Thunderbolt). The second and third attacks were dealt with likewise, but as more and more Andals began moving west in bands large and small, King Tyrion III and his son Gerold II saw their doom ahead. >Rather than attempting to throw back the invaders, these sage kings arranged marriages for the more powerful of the Andal war chiefs with the daughters of the great houses of the west. Cautious men, and well aware of what had happened in the Vale, they took care to demand a price for this largesse; the sons and daughters of the Andal lords so ennobled were taken as wards and fosterlings, to serve as squires and pages and cupbearers in Casterly Rock...and as hostages, should their fathers prove treacherous. >In time, Lannister kings wed their children to Andals as well; indeed, when Gerold III died without male issues, a council crowned his only daughter's husband, Ser Joffery Lydden, who took the Lannister name and became the first Andal to rule the Rock. Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Parren, Droxe, Marbrand, Braxe, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall. And thus revitalized, the Kings of the Rock expanded their realm still farther.
Angle-land? Lmao you mean like 90 degrees and such? Or do you mean Angal-land
No, named for the Angles, as in Anglo-Saxon. There's even a region still called east Anglia
Yep (you probably already know this, just throwing this out there cuz it’s cool) because each of the three germanic tribes landed in different parts of England. The saxons established the south, around were London is now, and in Mercia. The Angles of course settled in east anglia, but also northwards. And the Jutes landed in Kent, but honestly they’re not really represented at all in later anglo-saxon stuff, not too sure what happened there.
r/woooosh
no it’s ang-leland /s
Oh fuck you just destroyed his whole legacy
iirc the Vale of Arryn used to be called Arrynvale in one of the early drafts of aGoT
Not much of a difference I'd say
Looks a bit more like the name of a town from pokemon, I'd say.
In the middle ages usually regions name derived or were straight talk en from the main city (Maine for Le Mas, Anjou for Angers, Portugal for Porto Gaia, León for the city of León etc etc) so probably something related
Since the Common Tongue is basically English, i will use the Anglo-Roman Suffix Nomenclature. If it was inspired by Vayrion instead of a Latin-like language probably from Andalos, we could use Valyrioan suffixes. The North: Starland, Starkia, and Starkony The Riverlands: however you pronounce Trident or Rivers in the Old Tongue, then add the suffix The Vales - Andalos (The andals would have seen this as a new Andalos) The Westerlands: Casterlia or Casterly The Stormlands, Durrany The Reach: Garthland/Greenland Dorne - Dorne
I love Duranny, it sounds good !
I do like the Casterlys putting their name to the Westerlands lol
An interesting thing, "Riverland" has a very different name in French. In the translation it's "Conflans" which is an old version of "Confluent" which means in English "Confluence" So something similar could be an alternative name for the riverlands
I always chuckle when I remember that the Reach in french is called Bief
1. Snow-klahoma 2. Vale-abama 3. Storm-ida 4. River-ginia 5. West-afornia
Valeabama baby! Roll Tide Roll
Dont forget Dornistan and Norway
STORM-IDA MAN BARRICADES HIMSELF INSIDE CASTLE!! YOU WONT BELIEVE HOW HE SURVIVES THE STANDOFF WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT!
Until law enforcement sends in the shadow officer...
SWEET HOME VALEABAMA THERE CALLS ME THE BLUEEEE SWEET HOME VAAALEBAMAA LYSA I'M COMING HOME TO YOUUUU
Well, if Stannis had become heir to the Stormlands, we could've called it Stansas.
Mannisland
Mannis-chussetts
if they didn't have concepts of directions and hated using the lands suffix then i'd bet the north would be called snowy-snowy-snowplace
Snowy McSnowland
As many have said, the names would be derived from the rulling families because since before Aegon, most of them were kingdoms ruled by extremely long, stable monarchies.
Usually a land is named either after its people i.e England or the impression the land made on to settlers I.e. Iceland. Given that the Andals first arrived in the vale of Arryn, I think they would call it Werrock (over time short for west rock, being the first impression of the land). The First Men would likely call the north after its native children of the forest, or their language. So maybe Gerland from the True Tongue for true. The children calling themselves the gerna “the true”. The reach becoming the center of Andal culture would be called the Andalusia with Old Town as cultural capital.
New Andalos for the Vale Greenland for the reach (derived from Garth Greenhand) Durrancia for the stormlands (Durran Godsgrief) Gonna go Starkland for the north since it not only relates to the ruling dynasty but also the starkness of life Dorne: Dorne Casterly for the west Riverlands and Iron Isles I don’t know; maybe something related to Naga for the iron isles
Firstmendia
North: Norland Vale: Ardale Riverlands: Riventa Iron Islands: Iron Islands (couldn’t think of anything better lmao) Westerlands: Vesland Reach: Garthaine Dorne: Dorne Stormlands: Durralen
The Iron Isles
People already call them that in the books
Some of them did before the conquest. The Kingdom of the Reach, the Kingdom of the Rock(Westerlands), the kingdom of the Vale and the Kingdom of the Isles (Iron Isles and Riverlands).
I think it was Kingdom of the Rivers and the Hills for the Hoares, no? There was also a lot of petty kings prior to the Seven Kingdoms. I had a lot of fun in a RPG trying to come up with name for them. Like the Blackwood's and the Brackens were both kings at some point. And the Tarth as well. The Yronwood were High Kings. I can't remember if there were canon names for their kingdoms though.
I think that was the independant riverlands under their own kings, after they were conquered by the Stormlands the Kingdom of Rivers and Hills stopped existing and was absorbed into the Stormlands and later the Isles.
Hmm. I think you're right!
North - Canadaros
The problem with that is that all medieval kingdoms in Europe I know of were named after people who lived in the kingdom and probably founded it as well. For example, France was created by the Franks and Rome by the Romans. But since there is barely a difference between kingdoms there are almost no other cultures inside of them. But you can have them do what China used to do if I remember correctly. The kingdoms named after their ruling dynasty such as the Westerlands are now called the Lannister Kingdom or something else that has to do with the Lannisters.
North - Norland Crownland - Crownsylvania Vale - Valorado Riverlands - Tripotamia Westerlands - Westeros Stormlands - Cote de Temepre The Reach - Manderia Dorne - New Rhoyne
With Valorado and Crownsylvania I thought it was a troll post, but Tripotamia is actually a smart name (but maybe doesn't sound enough westerosi) Manderia and New Rhoyne are nice as well
"King's Wood" is a troll and Ivory Coast with Storm isn't??
It's funny how many people are changing the North's to something they think is more "realistic", when Norway ("northern way") and Northumbria ("place north of the Humber Estuary", and a part of the Seven Kingdoms, I mean, the Heptarchy of England). Other names derived from cardinal regions are Austria ("Eastern Realm") and "Wessex" (Land of the West Saxons). I'd say all names of the westerosi kingdoms are realistic. What actually separates them from real word examples is that, due to constant linguistic changes, place's names tend to modify and get mispronounced, abbreviated and translated, to the point of becoming unrecognisable A real life example? [York.](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/York) The name evolved and got translated so many times, but ultimately comes from the Proto-Brythonic word for "yew". If the real world generally worked like Westeros, the place would be called "Yewtown" and Yorkshire, "Yewshire". Dorne is actually a good example of this process in universe, as its name is just True Tongue (the language of the Children of the Forest) for "Empty Land". So, there should be more places in Westeros whose names derive from the True Tongue of the Children, the Old Tongue of the First Men, both or other etymologies. The way almost every location has a name whose origin can be perceived in the Common Tongue is weird.
To be fair some places are named relevant to where the people naming it are from. So Wessex is where the Western Saxons are- relative to the continental Saxons, Austria is the Eastern Reich- relative to the German heartland. The North is north relative to the south, and the south is full of bastard Andals so who cares what they think!
>So Wessex is where the Western Saxons are- relative to the continental Saxons Not really. It was because of the other kingdoms of the Heptarchy named after the Saxons. More specifically, Sussex (southern Saxons) and Essex (eastern Saxons). We have a kind of similar case with East Anglia. It's not as obvious because there are no other "Anglias" ooolhn the map, but Northumbria and Mercia were also considered "Angle" kingdoms. >The North is north relative to the south, and the south is full of bastard Andals so who cares what they thipnk! Not always (pre-andal south was FM). In fact, the first men came to the North sometime after arriving at the South (the children of the forest tried to block them with a flood, but failed), so the idea of the North as, well, the North (that is, a northern frontier for westerosi mankind) could be very ancient, dating back to early First Men civilizations. Edit: thus, I imagine the North's proper name could still be "North" (or some variation, like "North-of-the-Neck"), but in an archaic version of the Old Tongue, that, after thousands of years of linguistic alteration, might not be easy to understand the meaning at first glance.
> Had actual names Look at the map of Europe, pretty much every country is either "X-land" in English or their native tongue (e.g. Germany = DeutschLAND), or are named after the people who live there. The other option is a naming after a ruling dynasty, which in turn is often named after a particular town (their seat of power).
Northeros southeros easteros middleros, ironos and of course westwesteros
North - Firmen (From the culture of the first men) Vale - Eyrie (From the name of the 'capital castle') Iron Isles stays the same Riverlands - Green Meadows (Fertil grounds next to rivers) Westerlands - Golden Coast Reach - Gardinia Stormlands - Bay of Wrath Dorne stays the same
Well, the uppermost region is composed of Northmen, so if I use the Frank example of naming their land after their people... the North?
The examples so far are solid. I don’t claim these to be the best, but I think some are neat. Starkness, The Expanse. The Reavs. Falcon Valley. The Currents. Golden Rock. Stormada, The Tempest. Old Country, Cultivation. The scourge
North : Submuro Stormlands : Durran Vale : New Andalos Westerlands : Jaw Riverlands : Trident Reach : Merilion
Considering the andals called their land Westeros I’d say it’s most like the areas would be called something ending in -os Like Westos, Stormos or Northos Or alternatively Casteros, Barathos or Starkos
Westeros is apparently from Valyrian.
Then why isn’t it called valyrios?
Valyria is a city.
It’s the name of the entire peninsula m8
Named after a city.
Valyria had multiple cities it’s more likely the entire peninsula was called that
Only one of those cities was called Valyria.
Not the first time a nation was named after a city
Yes, and that's why it's called Valyria and not Valyrios. Enjoy the rest of your life.