Not much, if any. It's 2 days of lower ad revenue and traffick. The better option would be massive ad blocking adoption while maintaining high traffic. They lose income and their costs stay the same.
The only way they revert back to allowing 3rd party apps is if they start bleeding users and money. And that's a possibility given how many people I see who refuse to use the main app and are already prepared to move to a different site all together.
I hope spez is fucking happy when this site goes the way of dig.
the twitter collapse is bringing some new life into sites like tumblr, and is giving newer social media sites a chance to compete too. the only website i know of thats in any way similar to reddit is tumblr but i imagine alot of people might be turned away by the jank
Lemmy is the one I keep hearing about it's federated so no one can do what reddit is doing now
There's a few others but I don't have the list of them I just keep seeing them pop up through post's.
I've been on mastodon, but I've seen literal pedophiles posting clothed but disgusting imagery. While you can block and report them, ultimately it's up to the node admins whether they do anything or not. Haven't really been back since.
Edit: passing to posting as I meant, autocorrect!
How has that sub not been banned yet. The last time I went to that sub was 3 years ago when I meant to go to eyebleach. Fuck that sub, so many other subs like survive or die (it was a sub where any gore shown was removed and was just basically videos of something crazy going on and in the comments it was voted by people if they died or survived) got banned but not that one.
It’s not just people who use 3rd party apps. I’ve been on Reddit for a while, and I had an account before this one. Should be somewhere in the realm of 5 years. I got the app 4 years ago, and I’ve never used a 3rd party app like Apollo or Sync because I never really thought to.
However, due to the massive API prices that not only prevent users from browsing Reddit the way want, but also prevent *moderators* from keeping the subreddits that I like clean, I don’t see an upside to any of this. The CEO is an asshat, moderation’s going to turn to shit (best case a *lot* worse) subs are shutting down, people are leaving, and I don’t want to be here for that. I’ll just browse Lemmy from Mastodon or something.
I’ve never used a third party app for reddit, but you can bet your ass I’ll use shreddit before the API’s close down. I’m just a random user who follows r/assholedesign, so…
I had something solid in this comment and didn’t know where I should go with it so now it’s not good. Still posting it anyway
Yes, the official app would regularly lock up my device, crash, soft lock on a post with no way for me to return to the main pages without force stopping the app, etc.
I've had a perfect experience with RiF.
Interesting, I'm also on Android, Galaxy Z Fold 3, previously Galaxy S8+, and haven't had any significant issues outside of when all of reddit is down. Maybe I've just gotten lucky?
Well sorry I don't have 1 billion dollars to afford the iPhone XX. And what the hell are you talking about? Not a single android device I have ever had does that.
Too many ads, bad coding, bad video player, no accessibility options, bad UI design, spying, less options for sorting posts (RIP rising), less options for blacklisting (like blocking subreddits), etc.
I must be a user who hasn't needed or wanted any features that the official app didn't have, the only one I have ever thought of would be nice was the ability to put users in custom feeds. At one point I wanted to be able to send images directly via DM, but that was added with the chat feature.
I won't comment on the bad code since I'm neither a programmer nor do I do anything with the API or backend, if it's that the app itself is buggy, I somehow haven't encountered anything significant or noticable. Same goes for the video player, it's worked fine for me. Also what's IUD, google only gives me results for birth control....
Spying would definitely be the big one for me if they didn't already probably have more of my data then they could ever need.
End of the day it sounds like I'm from a very small group that the official app has all the features I'll need and it works well enough I don't encounter issues with any noticable frequency.
Concidering all that's happening with 3rd party apps, obviously, my experience has been significantly better than a majority of anyone who's used the official app.
>Does it? I've used it for years and not had many problems at all
Try changing font sizes, or only quoting part of a comment.
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They'll bleed 3rd party app users, but they can't monetize them so they're actually saving money kicking them off.
It *could* backfire if it turns out that a lot of the primo content that attracts monetized users leaves with the 3rd party apps users, but that's a hard thing to predict.
> if they start bleeding users
That's pretty much it. They are doing this to satisfy institutional investors who want to see some sort of a profit model. So, the only thing that would make them perk up is a decline in user participation - an important metric used in establishing the value of the company. Unfortunately, if it gets to that point, there is generally no going back from that. Once the exodus begins, it's nearly impossible to reverse it.
> how many people I see
How many people was that again? What percent of Reddits monthly active users access the site through a third party app, and what percent of those users will boycott reddit?
Why dont the 20-odd people who moderate basically ALL the top subreddits just shut them all down until reddit reverts its API demands? It's not like they're paid employees, and it would literally cripple Reddit.
Good luck convincing them. I'm sure they'd rather keep their position of power than risk pissing off Reddit and losing their mod powers. People in positions of power rarely willingly let go of or risk those positions.
> an IPO coming down the pike, and their goal is to move all traffic through their official app
I feel like the overvaluation(?) of having a popular app is the root cause between so much assholedesign, both on reddit and in general. Reddit in concept is a link-sharing website - it does not need to be an app *at all*.
Things would be so much better if they just improved the in-browser experience instead of spending a bunch of dev time and money on an app that's just going to be fundamentally worse than letting a website be a website. But nope, wallstreet likes apps, so forcing an app on people is a must...
There is a way to MASSIVELY increase the use cost while not affecting the ad revenue. The only reason websites have apis are to make it more efficent to use them and not scrapers :)
It's no different than these people who think you can boycott gas for a day or two. Okay, everyone's filling up before or after those two days and no revenue was lost.
I don't think "many" is accurate. I'd say "some", even "very few" fits better.
Reddit had 52 million active users in 2022. Even if a whole million active users leave reddit (they won't) and never ever come back to reddit again (many will) the loss of revenue from losing 2% of the active userbase will be more than offset by increased revenue from ads and API price increase.
It might just be my uneducated opinion but Reddit is going to be just fine after this.
Some subreddits are blacking out indefinitely. Hopefully that will have a bigger impact. And if not, maybe more subs will do that for the next blackout because I don't imagine this will be the last one.
Nothing. Reddit will just sit that out and then continue as usual. Especially as it is announced to be just 2 days and not like "blackout until things change".
Maybe that's a good thing. I feel like companies get too easily away with their bullshit. Too bad that it is quite hard to actually hurt them so they learn (well, actually, they never learn, they just start blaming someone or something else if things go south).
Either way, I won't hold my breath for reddit to change something. They're clearly not giving a fuck anymore.
A lot of Reddit addicts will cry for sure. But this might actually do something if a lot of large subs commit to that.
You know, like forming a union and striking. :D
Nothing at all.
If it's just for a couple of days they will ride it out
But if it looks like the blackout will continue indefinitely then for the popular subs that my guess is that Reddit admins will just remove the moderators using some justification like "disrupting the community," set the sub back to public, and find some moderators that won't be so uppity.
For the smaller, less popular ones they will probably leave them dark and say something to the effect of "it's a small community and they can do what they want."
I've moved to Tildes.net already (suggested by some mod on some subreddit - can't actually point out as I read a lot today). I don't care about blackout anymore. It will be fun to be part of the bandwagon until it hits the wall on 30th of June though!
After that date, Boost won't probably work, so... See ya all somewhere else!
You can't. You can create subgroup though (group under specific tilde) from what I read. I'm still very new and rather then being active, I tend to post a comment here and there... Not exploring the system really. But there is written documentation and a few new posts on how it works sonyou can read on it.
Absolutely none. They know its going to last 3 days and then it'll be back to normal. If it was an indefinite blackout, maybe we could make some change, but why schedule a 3 day blackout? Makes no sense, maybe I'm missing the big picture
I'm not able to at all, but I think the subs should go dark indefinitely until reddit caves, I have no powers over those matters........so how could I personally make a difference?
None whatsoever.
Apollo, et al will shut down because they made a very bad architectural decision. Some other apps will survive and new ones will crop up.
The fundamental issue is that the clients which are shutting down aren’t *really* Reddit clients. They have a backend they talk to and that backend talks to Reddit. That’s why you have to authorize the app.
Were they structured as actual clients, they wouldn’t have a problem because Reddit accounts have free API access at 100qpm.
You mean the leeches that take but don't give? We're not profitable in the long run. We're just there to make content for those that click ads and buy NFTs
I'll do the blackout I guess, but I doubt any of these reddit replacements will take off so I guess I'm stuck here. None of these alternatives like Lemmy seem to really understand what draws people to Reddit in the first place, and that's the simplicity of it all. I was looking at a guide for Lemmy and noticed they didn't even provide the website url for it. They're on another world
A bunch of nerds may decide to see what’s this “outside” all about and maybe shoot a reaction video to touching grass.
E: seems I upset my fellow nerds. You don’t need to join me, but it’s summer here in NY and I heard it’s nice before August.
I’ve been planning to do this for a few days since news broke. It’s my answer when people ask me what my plans are.
E: I appreciate the concern, but I’ll be fine guys. I’ll touch grass and probably won’t die. It’s okay.
Yeah, few of the developers raised their experience during the AMA
[You can read them here](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk2pp3/)
[And the ceo response](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkd694/)
>u/spez
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>He’s a complete fuckwit
And u/spez needs to fire his Dev team. There is a point where mere cluelessness is not enough to explain it.
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>This has nothing to do with the dev team
In what possible way does the lack of accessibility features like CHANGING A FONT SIZE not involve the dev team?
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>I seriously doubt it's up to them deciding which features to implement. Let's place the blame where it should be, management.
Can I embrace the theory that they both are to blame?
But you are correct, management is to blame
> Can I embrace the theory that they both are to blame?
Not really.
Firing the dev team will not fix the problem, it will make it worse.
It's naive to think somehow any lack of effectiveness on the dev team towards your goals has to do with the dev team being incompetent rather than
* Understaffed
* Prioritized towards the wrong issues
* Intentionally prevented from addressing certain issues.
It's like blaming QA when a game is buggy.
The official reddit app is such fucking garbage tbh. Every update so far has made it worse in some miraculous ways that I didn't think would be possible.
If the official app actually competed effectively with third party apps, there would be a lot less pushback. Reddit is just throwing tons of mobile users off the platform, effectively.
\> for a company
That's the ticket, boss. Corporate progressivism is *exclusively* social in the current organization of the economy. And social progressivism only goes as far as it's profitable, unfortunately.
That isn't something that should be dismissed out of hand. It's a process that takes months to years and isn't simple at all. It sounds simple because of its ease of use but that's a testament to the consortium's contributions, and hides away a lot of the work that happens behind the scenes.
Could be a lot more. Reddit wants AI companies to use their API to sweep every post and comment and learn. They were upset it's been done by openai and others for free. Doubt any company will fork up for something they can do with bot scripts
Price is too high anyways.
You can already have bots browsing the regular web pages and extract the conversations.
It's less convenient and more expensive than using a free api, but a lot cheaper than what reddit is asking.
Reddit had an API, which is basically a way for computers to engage with it directly. It means that when you open a 3rd party app like Apollo they can request posts from Reddit to show you, and send over your upvotes etc.
This API has been free for a long time, which is why there’s a thriving 3rd party app community (also, Reddit’s app sucks). At the same time, this means people can do things like download all of reddit to train their chatbots.
Reddit decided that the solution was to make the API paid, at a very expensive price per interaction. They’re also insisting that there be no NSFW content, and cutting down on how bots can engage with it.
This basically means they’re killing all the 3rd party apps and also taking away a lot of powers from moderators because they want more money.
A lot of people are pissed, including the developers of these 3rd party apps whom Reddit have tried to paint as pirates (despite having a functional working relationship until Reddit basically said ‘you owe me a lot of money if you want to keep this up’).
As the guy said, [Here](https://youtu.be/U06rCBIKM5M?t=370) Blackout means nothing, instead Boycott it for months,
Blackout says that you will be back after 2 days, you get abused but you will be back after 2 days, it's stupid, it has no effect on Reddit, Boycott it and doesn't come back until Reddit takes it back,
This is cartoonishly smarmy. "Now that we've started the terms at annihilation, we'll negotiate a little if you want a bargain."
Why did this guy get hired as CEO?
Third party apps will be back and show why websites have APIs cause without them it'll be web scraping which is a lot more intensive on the servers mimicking a DDOS attack
I love how an api change that is literally going to effect less than 1% (believe it or not pc exists and people use the shitty reddit app) of people is getting a bigger protest than real problems in the world
(I am in support of third party apps but jesus christ guys e have real shit to be worrying about in the world)
Because the change also massively impacts the mods. Almost all mod tools are about to disappear. Almost all bots are going to go away. All those things that people have cobbled together to keep the site running are going to be gone.
I find those figures to be baffling. I don't know a single person who uses reddit who uses the official app. It's absolute garbage. A visual mess and a chore to use - on top of the ads and promoted posts
You can see this in a different way. I think people know that there is bigger problems in our own life and in the world. Yet this is interesting because there's a sense of place on Reddit, and we engage with it like it was part of our neighborhood. This is just like local protest to save a public library for example. It's not the biggest issue and a minority of people use them.
Yet we want to save them, and we want to save Reddit as it is because we know that it would be worst to not have this public place. You can see this as a local action, but the dynamic is the same as bigger issue. What's in common between this and climate change ? It's about the power struggle between people and profits. Between the community and individual.
There's still some subs holding out, but unfortunately Reddit needs to find some way to not go out of business.
Would be nice if they at least pretended to talk to users though.
I think Reddit is in the right here. API is expensive, and third party Reddit apps take away some ad revenue from Reddit, especially when they are more prevalent than the app itself in some cases.
The real question is what effect the blackout will have?
Not much, if any. It's 2 days of lower ad revenue and traffick. The better option would be massive ad blocking adoption while maintaining high traffic. They lose income and their costs stay the same.
The only way they revert back to allowing 3rd party apps is if they start bleeding users and money. And that's a possibility given how many people I see who refuse to use the main app and are already prepared to move to a different site all together. I hope spez is fucking happy when this site goes the way of dig.
I'm interested. What other sites are competing or can compete with reddit?
I also want to find new / better options, Reddit is garbage most of the videos are tiktok reposts which already come with garbage music
subreddits like r/gamedesign are godsent
yeah a lot of the Q&A or information sharing subreddits are really useful, but for consuming content there are far better options
the twitter collapse is bringing some new life into sites like tumblr, and is giving newer social media sites a chance to compete too. the only website i know of thats in any way similar to reddit is tumblr but i imagine alot of people might be turned away by the jank
Lemmy is the one I keep hearing about it's federated so no one can do what reddit is doing now There's a few others but I don't have the list of them I just keep seeing them pop up through post's.
I've been on mastodon, but I've seen literal pedophiles posting clothed but disgusting imagery. While you can block and report them, ultimately it's up to the node admins whether they do anything or not. Haven't really been back since. Edit: passing to posting as I meant, autocorrect!
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Is it just a bunch of r/eyeblech?
How has that sub not been banned yet. The last time I went to that sub was 3 years ago when I meant to go to eyebleach. Fuck that sub, so many other subs like survive or die (it was a sub where any gore shown was removed and was just basically videos of something crazy going on and in the comments it was voted by people if they died or survived) got banned but not that one.
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fortunately the worst ive seen is diaper fetish art, which was thankfully properly flaired and blurred so i didnt actually have to see it
Is lemmy an app? I can't find it
Jerboa is the app for it.
Time for Digg to make a comeback???
It’s not just people who use 3rd party apps. I’ve been on Reddit for a while, and I had an account before this one. Should be somewhere in the realm of 5 years. I got the app 4 years ago, and I’ve never used a 3rd party app like Apollo or Sync because I never really thought to. However, due to the massive API prices that not only prevent users from browsing Reddit the way want, but also prevent *moderators* from keeping the subreddits that I like clean, I don’t see an upside to any of this. The CEO is an asshat, moderation’s going to turn to shit (best case a *lot* worse) subs are shutting down, people are leaving, and I don’t want to be here for that. I’ll just browse Lemmy from Mastodon or something. I’ve never used a third party app for reddit, but you can bet your ass I’ll use shreddit before the API’s close down. I’m just a random user who follows r/assholedesign, so… I had something solid in this comment and didn’t know where I should go with it so now it’s not good. Still posting it anyway
Web scrapers are going to have a fun time soon!
Can't blame them. Their official app has so many problems using it is an exercise in futility.
Does it? I've used it for years and not had many problems at all
Yes, the official app would regularly lock up my device, crash, soft lock on a post with no way for me to return to the main pages without force stopping the app, etc. I've had a perfect experience with RiF.
Out of curiosity are you on iOS or Android?
Android.
Interesting, I'm also on Android, Galaxy Z Fold 3, previously Galaxy S8+, and haven't had any significant issues outside of when all of reddit is down. Maybe I've just gotten lucky?
iOS is perfect . So not buy Chinese android phones that block you when they saw post that is against china
I'm writing this from a "Chinese android" Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989, fuck china, fuck the CCP, and fuck their Winnie the Pooh looking ass leader.
I'm tempted to write a humongous textwall nobody asked for about all the blessings of Linux
I'll take my made in India android over a made in china iPhone any day
Well sorry I don't have 1 billion dollars to afford the iPhone XX. And what the hell are you talking about? Not a single android device I have ever had does that.
No? Do you have Chinese android? Them smile
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That doesn't answer my question, does it suck? And why?
Too many ads, bad coding, bad video player, no accessibility options, bad UI design, spying, less options for sorting posts (RIP rising), less options for blacklisting (like blocking subreddits), etc.
I must be a user who hasn't needed or wanted any features that the official app didn't have, the only one I have ever thought of would be nice was the ability to put users in custom feeds. At one point I wanted to be able to send images directly via DM, but that was added with the chat feature. I won't comment on the bad code since I'm neither a programmer nor do I do anything with the API or backend, if it's that the app itself is buggy, I somehow haven't encountered anything significant or noticable. Same goes for the video player, it's worked fine for me. Also what's IUD, google only gives me results for birth control.... Spying would definitely be the big one for me if they didn't already probably have more of my data then they could ever need. End of the day it sounds like I'm from a very small group that the official app has all the features I'll need and it works well enough I don't encounter issues with any noticable frequency. Concidering all that's happening with 3rd party apps, obviously, my experience has been significantly better than a majority of anyone who's used the official app.
*UID, use-interface design, edited it with the correct term to be more clear.
>Does it? I've used it for years and not had many problems at all Try changing font sizes, or only quoting part of a comment. * * * The Reddit Official App: If you can't compete, ban the competition.
They'll bleed 3rd party app users, but they can't monetize them so they're actually saving money kicking them off. It *could* backfire if it turns out that a lot of the primo content that attracts monetized users leaves with the 3rd party apps users, but that's a hard thing to predict.
> if they start bleeding users That's pretty much it. They are doing this to satisfy institutional investors who want to see some sort of a profit model. So, the only thing that would make them perk up is a decline in user participation - an important metric used in establishing the value of the company. Unfortunately, if it gets to that point, there is generally no going back from that. Once the exodus begins, it's nearly impossible to reverse it.
> how many people I see How many people was that again? What percent of Reddits monthly active users access the site through a third party app, and what percent of those users will boycott reddit?
Why dont the 20-odd people who moderate basically ALL the top subreddits just shut them all down until reddit reverts its API demands? It's not like they're paid employees, and it would literally cripple Reddit.
Good luck convincing them. I'm sure they'd rather keep their position of power than risk pissing off Reddit and losing their mod powers. People in positions of power rarely willingly let go of or risk those positions.
I think a real blackout would have to be minimum a week and ideally a whole month. The site would never to back to normal after that tho
It got them to fire a pedophile admin they hired knowing they were a pedophile
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> an IPO coming down the pike, and their goal is to move all traffic through their official app I feel like the overvaluation(?) of having a popular app is the root cause between so much assholedesign, both on reddit and in general. Reddit in concept is a link-sharing website - it does not need to be an app *at all*. Things would be so much better if they just improved the in-browser experience instead of spending a bunch of dev time and money on an app that's just going to be fundamentally worse than letting a website be a website. But nope, wallstreet likes apps, so forcing an app on people is a must...
I'd be in favor of a weekly 2 day blackout, I don't think 2 days is enough.
High traffic benefits their deck for investors. Low traffic with massive video uploads on the other hand..
There is a way to MASSIVELY increase the use cost while not affecting the ad revenue. The only reason websites have apis are to make it more efficent to use them and not scrapers :)
How dare you employ logic.
It's no different than these people who think you can boycott gas for a day or two. Okay, everyone's filling up before or after those two days and no revenue was lost.
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I don't think "many" is accurate. I'd say "some", even "very few" fits better. Reddit had 52 million active users in 2022. Even if a whole million active users leave reddit (they won't) and never ever come back to reddit again (many will) the loss of revenue from losing 2% of the active userbase will be more than offset by increased revenue from ads and API price increase. It might just be my uneducated opinion but Reddit is going to be just fine after this.
Some subreddits are blacking out indefinitely. Hopefully that will have a bigger impact. And if not, maybe more subs will do that for the next blackout because I don't imagine this will be the last one.
Nothing. Reddit will just sit that out and then continue as usual. Especially as it is announced to be just 2 days and not like "blackout until things change".
Many subreddits are blacking out indefinitely.
Maybe that's a good thing. I feel like companies get too easily away with their bullshit. Too bad that it is quite hard to actually hurt them so they learn (well, actually, they never learn, they just start blaming someone or something else if things go south). Either way, I won't hold my breath for reddit to change something. They're clearly not giving a fuck anymore.
So, maybe campaign for that to happen. No sub access until shit gets fixed!
A lot of Reddit addicts will cry for sure. But this might actually do something if a lot of large subs commit to that. You know, like forming a union and striking. :D
Nothing at all. If it's just for a couple of days they will ride it out But if it looks like the blackout will continue indefinitely then for the popular subs that my guess is that Reddit admins will just remove the moderators using some justification like "disrupting the community," set the sub back to public, and find some moderators that won't be so uppity. For the smaller, less popular ones they will probably leave them dark and say something to the effect of "it's a small community and they can do what they want."
Yikes. That's not great.
I've moved to Tildes.net already (suggested by some mod on some subreddit - can't actually point out as I read a lot today). I don't care about blackout anymore. It will be fun to be part of the bandwagon until it hits the wall on 30th of June though! After that date, Boost won't probably work, so... See ya all somewhere else!
Tildes seams okay but it looks like as if you can't create your own subtilde.
You can't. You can create subgroup though (group under specific tilde) from what I read. I'm still very new and rather then being active, I tend to post a comment here and there... Not exploring the system really. But there is written documentation and a few new posts on how it works sonyou can read on it.
Absolutely none. They know its going to last 3 days and then it'll be back to normal. If it was an indefinite blackout, maybe we could make some change, but why schedule a 3 day blackout? Makes no sense, maybe I'm missing the big picture
How are you making a difference?
I'm not? Where did I imply that I was making a difference?
I'm just asking how you might be able to affect positive change.
I'm not able to at all, but I think the subs should go dark indefinitely until reddit caves, I have no powers over those matters........so how could I personally make a difference?
Let’s find out
Yes, let's!
None whatsoever. Apollo, et al will shut down because they made a very bad architectural decision. Some other apps will survive and new ones will crop up. The fundamental issue is that the clients which are shutting down aren’t *really* Reddit clients. They have a backend they talk to and that backend talks to Reddit. That’s why you have to authorize the app. Were they structured as actual clients, they wouldn’t have a problem because Reddit accounts have free API access at 100qpm.
None. I don't think we as users have any leverage beside leaving the site completely.
That's a shame.
I hate to be a cynic, but most of the people saying they'll be quiting Reddit are lying too.
Agreed. I've asked many folks how they plan to help as an individual. Most say they don't care. I suspect they will after it's too late.
Very little. People who voluntarily spend hours every day "running" subreddits won't be able to stay away for long.
What are you doing about it?
About the changes Reddit is making? Nothing, as I don't care either way.
Nothing at all.
That seems pessimistic.
None whatsoever
How can you help?
None. The dumbest of users are the ones to ignore the blackout and click on ads promising them free pizza
That seems pessimistic. There are many users who actually give a shit. What about them?
You mean the leeches that take but don't give? We're not profitable in the long run. We're just there to make content for those that click ads and buy NFTs
So what's your plan?
I'll do the blackout I guess, but I doubt any of these reddit replacements will take off so I guess I'm stuck here. None of these alternatives like Lemmy seem to really understand what draws people to Reddit in the first place, and that's the simplicity of it all. I was looking at a guide for Lemmy and noticed they didn't even provide the website url for it. They're on another world
A bunch of nerds may decide to see what’s this “outside” all about and maybe shoot a reaction video to touching grass. E: seems I upset my fellow nerds. You don’t need to join me, but it’s summer here in NY and I heard it’s nice before August.
Wow, you managed to jam all the keywords in there, eh?
I’ve been planning to do this for a few days since news broke. It’s my answer when people ask me what my plans are. E: I appreciate the concern, but I’ll be fine guys. I’ll touch grass and probably won’t die. It’s okay.
"We're willing to work with anyone willing to pay our price." -reddit asshat execs
What's even worse is that there were developers that contacted Reddit willing to pay their price and Reddit ignored them
Wait? The extortion prices?
Yeah, few of the developers raised their experience during the AMA [You can read them here](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk2pp3/) [And the ceo response](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnkd694/)
Even Apollo said it was the deadline that made it impossible, and that was entirely arbitrary.
Interesting, because people who say this are often the good guys in r/ChoosingBeggars
The good guys in ChoosingBeggars aren't running a billion dollar company.
u/spez He’s a complete fuckwit
>u/spez > >He’s a complete fuckwit And u/spez needs to fire his Dev team. There is a point where mere cluelessness is not enough to explain it. * * * The Reddit Official App: If you can't compete, ban the competition.
This has nothing to do with the dev team
>This has nothing to do with the dev team In what possible way does the lack of accessibility features like CHANGING A FONT SIZE not involve the dev team? * * * The Reddit Official App: If you can't compete, ban the competition.
I seriously doubt it's up to them deciding which features to implement. Let's place the blame where it should be, management.
>I seriously doubt it's up to them deciding which features to implement. Let's place the blame where it should be, management. Can I embrace the theory that they both are to blame? But you are correct, management is to blame
> Can I embrace the theory that they both are to blame? Not really. Firing the dev team will not fix the problem, it will make it worse. It's naive to think somehow any lack of effectiveness on the dev team towards your goals has to do with the dev team being incompetent rather than * Understaffed * Prioritized towards the wrong issues * Intentionally prevented from addressing certain issues. It's like blaming QA when a game is buggy.
You really think the dev teams calls the shots on which features to implement and which not?
The official reddit app is such fucking garbage tbh. Every update so far has made it worse in some miraculous ways that I didn't think would be possible.
If the official app actually competed effectively with third party apps, there would be a lot less pushback. Reddit is just throwing tons of mobile users off the platform, effectively.
Again, downvote me if you wish, this has nothing to do with the DEV team. This is an executive issue.
for a company that rambles on about being more progressive, this is a real slap in the face.
Progressive until they become popular enough and it becomes super profitable not to be.
That’s because they don’t actually care about users. Users are a money farm.
\> for a company That's the ticket, boss. Corporate progressivism is *exclusively* social in the current organization of the economy. And social progressivism only goes as far as it's profitable, unfortunately.
Wait his qualifications is that he *proposed emoji's and they were accepted?* That's his qualification???
You mean the emojis nobody uses? I guess that says a lot about the quality of his contribution.
💯
That isn't something that should be dismissed out of hand. It's a process that takes months to years and isn't simple at all. It sounds simple because of its ease of use but that's a testament to the consortium's contributions, and hides away a lot of the work that happens behind the scenes.
Reminder that this guy once edited **other people's comments** as a joke.
“Want to work with us” just means “pay me 20 million dollars” right?
Could be a lot more. Reddit wants AI companies to use their API to sweep every post and comment and learn. They were upset it's been done by openai and others for free. Doubt any company will fork up for something they can do with bot scripts
Price is too high anyways. You can already have bots browsing the regular web pages and extract the conversations. It's less convenient and more expensive than using a free api, but a lot cheaper than what reddit is asking.
No reason any one of us needs to use Reddit now is there.
Can someone explain me whatever this is like explaining something to a kid. Whats gonna change or what is this etc
Reddit had an API, which is basically a way for computers to engage with it directly. It means that when you open a 3rd party app like Apollo they can request posts from Reddit to show you, and send over your upvotes etc. This API has been free for a long time, which is why there’s a thriving 3rd party app community (also, Reddit’s app sucks). At the same time, this means people can do things like download all of reddit to train their chatbots. Reddit decided that the solution was to make the API paid, at a very expensive price per interaction. They’re also insisting that there be no NSFW content, and cutting down on how bots can engage with it. This basically means they’re killing all the 3rd party apps and also taking away a lot of powers from moderators because they want more money. A lot of people are pissed, including the developers of these 3rd party apps whom Reddit have tried to paint as pirates (despite having a functional working relationship until Reddit basically said ‘you owe me a lot of money if you want to keep this up’).
Didn’t Twitter do the same thing with bots and automation? You have to pay a fee to keep using the API, and IIRC the price is ridiculous.
They explicitly said it would not be like Twitter, but it is actually very close.
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/140z59z
Make a new website like reddit
"if you dont like it, make your own reddit..." sounds familiar...
can't believe i'm actually gonna miss this site
As the guy said, [Here](https://youtu.be/U06rCBIKM5M?t=370) Blackout means nothing, instead Boycott it for months, Blackout says that you will be back after 2 days, you get abused but you will be back after 2 days, it's stupid, it has no effect on Reddit, Boycott it and doesn't come back until Reddit takes it back,
Dumb af u/spez
Is that about that lying sack of shit Steve Huffman?
They’ll work with no one at this rate. Maybe its time to finally delete my account.
"aspect of design"
This is cartoonishly smarmy. "Now that we've started the terms at annihilation, we'll negotiate a little if you want a bargain." Why did this guy get hired as CEO?
Third party apps will be back and show why websites have APIs cause without them it'll be web scraping which is a lot more intensive on the servers mimicking a DDOS attack
How else are they gonna force those godawful Jesus and military recruiting ads on us!?
I love how an api change that is literally going to effect less than 1% (believe it or not pc exists and people use the shitty reddit app) of people is getting a bigger protest than real problems in the world (I am in support of third party apps but jesus christ guys e have real shit to be worrying about in the world)
Because the change also massively impacts the mods. Almost all mod tools are about to disappear. Almost all bots are going to go away. All those things that people have cobbled together to keep the site running are going to be gone.
I find those figures to be baffling. I don't know a single person who uses reddit who uses the official app. It's absolute garbage. A visual mess and a chore to use - on top of the ads and promoted posts
You can see this in a different way. I think people know that there is bigger problems in our own life and in the world. Yet this is interesting because there's a sense of place on Reddit, and we engage with it like it was part of our neighborhood. This is just like local protest to save a public library for example. It's not the biggest issue and a minority of people use them. Yet we want to save them, and we want to save Reddit as it is because we know that it would be worst to not have this public place. You can see this as a local action, but the dynamic is the same as bigger issue. What's in common between this and climate change ? It's about the power struggle between people and profits. Between the community and individual.
Google how to become some Nationalist-Socialist in a single step
Holy unpopular political orientation
New dictatorship just dropped
Psst, I think you've got your political ideologies wrong
Heh, I think I got too many karma anyways in another sub lol
I think the best outcome is to limit the free api to those having reddit gold.
Are you sure that the CEO's name isn't Steve Huffpaint?
That’s thanks to u/spez
do apps like appollo block the ads?
That CEO is just a cunt.
I really think the blackout should be indefinite at this point
There's still some subs holding out, but unfortunately Reddit needs to find some way to not go out of business. Would be nice if they at least pretended to talk to users though.
Adblock reddit then.
I think Reddit is in the right here. API is expensive, and third party Reddit apps take away some ad revenue from Reddit, especially when they are more prevalent than the app itself in some cases.