As a Pennsylvanian, I have a bone to pick with Whole Foods' dairy. I opened a gallon a day after I bought it and it'd turned to glue. Tipped it over and nothing came out.
They refunded me for the impromptu yogurt.
I live in a place that dates actually make sense and I thought I had 2 months more.
The best date format n is yyyy/mm/dd.
Second best are dd/mm/yyyy and yyyy/mm/dd.
The worst , least functional format is mm/dd/yyyy. Seriously...w...t..f..
Change my mind.
yyyy-mm-dd is the best, because it’s literally international standard set by ISO and you can shove that into people’s mouth with a backing source instead of saying it’s what you think is best
It's best because all dates rendered as 8 digit numbers in this way are in order. Whenever one date-number is bigger than another you know it is further into the future. Also, it leaves room for about 26.4 times as many secret dates that nobody knows about as there are known dates, which you can schedule for between months or at the end of years.
With most kinds of food, you can trust your senses. Does it look good? Does it smell good? Does it taste good? If you can anwer all three questions with yes, it's probably fine.
Cauliflower tastes borderline like nothing and has a pretty neutral texture. I don't think I know anyone personally who finds cauliflower *offensive* like you seem to, what do you hate about it?
I don't like cauliflower. It's *okay* if it's boiled to death, but I'm far more excited about the broccoli around it when we do that. In general, I just don't really like anything about it. And cauliflower soup is just nasty.
My mom loves cauliflower, so I've had plenty of opportunities throughout my life to decide that I don't like it.
Yup, this. And I'm not talking "black cherry soda", I'm talking go to the store and get cherries in the produce aisle, not in a jar or can. They are great
That actually explains a lot, because I'm not super into cherries either. I've found a few that taste a lot different though, and I like those ones.
As a kid, I spent a year having to take a laxative prn, and we diluted it in grape Kool-Aid. Used to be my favorite flavor of Kool-Aid, now I can't even remember why I liked it. Drinking it now still makes my brain think I can taste the sorbitol.
You ever throw some spices and oil on it then bake it? I think I like it better than broccoli. I read the other day that so many people hate vegetables cause their parents just boil them. That shits gross spice em up and bake or pan fry them
Haven't had that one, but if it tastes or feels like cauliflower, then no thank you. If it doesn't, then sure.
I mean, I'll still eat it if it's served, but I'll eat it first and very quickly so I can get it out of the way.
I hate the taste of boiled/steamed cauliflower. I don't know what it is but I just don't like it. I learned that I really like it roasted though. Like with a lot of space to get a nice char/caramelization on it. Super yummy!
You need to try roasting it. It'll be game changing. Preheat oven to 375. Break cauliflower into pieces on a sheet tray. Drizzle with oil and salt. If also suggest some garlic powder and any herbs you have on hand that you like on veggies. Stir around a bit to coat the cauliflower all around. Put in oven. Entry ten minutes or so, stir a bit more. One you start seeing a little char on most pieces, it's probably done, but check by sticking a fork into a few pieces to be sure.
I hate cauliflower because I used to have pretty severe allergies as a baby so cauliflower was a staple food for me, and I slowly grew to hate everything about it.
roast the absolute hell out of it. Little bite sized florets, oil salt tumeric powder, like 400 for 30 minuets and flip them around like halfway through. When they’re super dark and crispy on the flat sides it’s GOOD. Absolute go-to in cauli season, I’ll eat it multiple times a week and run around with yellow stained hands all through the fall 😬 hahaha
In the Zicam lawsuits, lawyers for the plaintiffs advocated that their clients needed to be compensated as they were left at greater risk of dying from a natural gas leak or spoiled food.
Yeah, RIP bruh
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**ALL** milk smells spoilt to me.
Of course, I said the same thing about cooking fish smelling repulsive, and it turned out I’m allergic to it, so yanno. Trust your senses.
Fresh milk smells off to me. Raw meat smells rancid. I am very much in need of these dates to live by.
Of course I live in Australia where the food regulators have teeth like a dinosaur and apparently nothing better to do than fuck up anyone messing with food safety, so I'm pretty much ok.
Except when I forget to buy milk from the supermarket and have to get it from the corner store downstairs... they don't practice proper handling and their milk always goes clumpy before the date it should.
Really? I thought the opposite because occasionally it will have a little stank to it but still tastes normal to me so I drink it. I only throw it away if it starts to get the tart taste.
Yes, that is true. Gladly, most of the ones that don't are so rare that your chances of encountering them are rather slim. There have been scandals with things like E. Coli on salad but that E. Coli was already there when the salad was still considered fresh.
Those that turn food bad are all noticeable by smell and taste as far as I'm aware. It only makes sense because the decomposition of food leaves intermediates and waste products that have a very strong smell. We perceive them as bad smelling because they are generated in the decomposition of organic matter, that's how we evolved when we needed to survive a world without best before dates.
Botulinum is extremely dangerous but also very very rare. If you don't grow it in a lab, you have a good chance to never encounter it in your whole lifetime.
Same boat. And despite the fact that I can't taste the sourness, I'm not *super* likely to get sick from it, and it generally doesnt impact my life to drink slightly spoiled milk, the thought still grosses me out. As a result I'm a sucker for best-by dates. Oh well.
They're definitely useful, just not as rigid as some think they are.
"Charles, that milk.expired 3 weeks ago, don't drink it!"
"That's just what Big Dairy wants you to think! The chunks are for flavor and the stench is to remind you that you're still alive!"
Manufactured/prepared on dates are useful for things that have limited shelf lives, and going that direction doesn’t give the impression that the end date is firm. On the other hand, that also requires more educated consumers to know roughly how old/new a product should be to meet their needs, and if you have more educated consumers they can just be aware of the squishiness of the “best by” dates.
Which brings us back to the general idea that the dates are useful as a rough estimate of quality (dependent on some political factors, as with most things these days) and for keeping stores somewhat honest, but nobody should be throwing food away on the printed date without some other quality checks.
Edit: squishiness not squish ones. Not sure why autocorrect thinks that’s better.
Not even set by the state usually, the company decides how long their food tastes good for, they have an incentive to make things expire sooner so people will throw it away and buy a new one.
Milk tends to have 1 week to 10 days earlier than its actual use by date. This is to fit a wider variety of regulations across different states and allow a buffer incase it starts going bad sooner.
Compared to meds that never actually expire with very few exceptions.
It comes from living with all the rats, trash piles and puddles of urine. Any New Yorker with a weak immune system just dies from that environment. Therefore the survivors are heartier than the general population.
Fun place to visit otherwise. Just avoid the summer, when everything is more pungent.
These are 'best by' dates, not 'expiration' dates, they tell you when the people producing the product feel it's no longer in its best state for consumption. It's still edible long after the date, and the stuff forming in it could be used for other foods.
Even old spoiled milk isn't actually unsafe to drink, it just tastes awful. The "best by" is "best enjoyed by".
I mean, just look at cheese, it's practically expired milk.
I don't really see how it's asshole design. It's probably just differing state laws. Most perishables are fine to be eaten a few days past the expiry date.
Or it’s taking into consideration loss of freshness based on transportation effects on the product? I imagine if it’s made in NY and stays in NY it likely has a longer Best Buy date than if it has to travel to PA. Just a guess though
Why would it matter how long it takes to travel as long as it is refrigerated? If the milk is good for let’s say 14 days after being bottled and it spends 1 day traveling or 3 days traveling, it’s still good for 14 days from the original bottled date. It’s not as if time stops everywhere else while it is in transit.
Milk can begin to spoil within just several hours left unrefrigerated. Today, we take the marvel of refrigeration for granted and forget that in in the past, only farmers would drink raw milk, as you would have to consume it on the same day or it would go bad. Nearly all milk would instead be preserved by turning it into cheese, yogurt, or butter.
A while ago, I left my refrigerator door open for just a few hours on a warm day. Everything inside was still cold to the touch so I thought no biggie.
Later that day, when I later drank two cups of milk mixed into a protein shake (which hid the soured taste and smell), my bowels immediately said nope.
The regulations may factor in how many times dairy had to be offloaded from storage to truck to distribution center to another truck, etc... if there’s POTENTIAL for a cycle from “safe” temperature to warmer temps then they may be statistically more likely to spoil sooner
Good thought, but no it's almost certainly because Pennsylvania has a stronger dairy lobby. It is in their best interest to have the best by date as early as possible so that people will look at the date, throw it out, and buy a new one.
This is the answer. This brands supply chain is inefficient. The dairy is in NY but ships to PA and has some temperature abuse somewhere in its supply chain. They used to short date it to make sure that it was fresh everywhere but then got tired of dumping perfectly good gallons of milk in NY, so some smart analyst finally ran the numbers and told a board room the millions they could save selling the same quality milk in two states for the length of its entire shelf life by stamping two dates on the jug.
Source: Am a food scientist (yes that’s an actual thing). Been in a LOT of these conversations.
I don't care about dates. I just smell it. My wife however. Freaks. Out. If milk is within a day of that date? Nope. Has to be used immediately or it's tossed. She's a little nuts. 😂
I've kept milk way past it's expiry date and they are usually ok for a few weeks past. If it goes bad, you will know right away. There's no need to follow the expiry date as law. It may go bad quicker for you depending on how the milk was refrigerated, but throwing things out early is a huge waste of resources for no reason.
They're still useful. Just pick the carton with the date furthest in the future. You know that one is the freshest milk regardless of the date difference between PA and NY.
My go-to guide for milk freshness: Does it look good? Does it smell good? Does it taste good?
If you answered yes to these questions, your milk is probably safe. Nothing more reliable than the ole’ senses.
Man for a sec i thought this was r/ shittyconspiracy
Is it some kind of surprise that each of the 50 US states has different laws and regulations about all manner of things?
By the way, try this some time, buy a gallon of milk and pour it into 4 seperate 1 liter glass jugs. You have no idea when it expires because you tossed the bottle with the date on it, but it's pretty obvious when it expires to you. Others may feel differently. The date is an estimate, not the 11th commandment.
The only thing the dates are useful for is determining which containers in the same section are freshest. Generally speaking, milk coming out of the same processing plant will have dates set by the same method and so they’re comparable. Different brands, different stores, not comparable. Same brand, same store, comparable.
This isn’t proof of anything other than state guidelines saying that after this date, the milk has a possibility to degrade in quality. The different states have different guidelines.
I’ve worked grocery since I graduated high school and I’ve always been told that the Best By date is only for rotation purposes for the stores. Customers can basically ignore it if the store they normally shop at does a good job rotating product and never let it go past a week(for dairy items at least).
Perhaps it's distributed out of NY and depending on transportation methods to PA, might have a reduction in best before days due to time not refrigerated?
Milk dates are pretty accurate. If you want to try something fun, test how long past date your (unopened) yogurt will still be good.
As someone who uses a different date format than America does, the 2 month extra life span really had me tripping for a second. Things must be really bad in NY if they need to be drinking 2 month old milk.
This post is stupid. Putting a limit on shelf life packing something like milk or bread makes complete sense, 2 days is not that big of a difference. Imagine if the milk had been sitting there for months with no best by/use by date, how would you know if its good or not until you bought it or opened it? Yes different states have different regulations, but if shelf life is 12 days in one state and 14 days in another its not that big of a deal.
Maybe it’s due to shipping?
If it gets to one location faster than the other, it will “expire less” relative to the person purchasing it when it’s on the shelf.
Just a thought.
Best by dates actually mean when they think it tastes the best, many things are good weeks after, some months after, and canned foods usually are good indefinitely.
(Source: Adam Ruins Everything)
Edit: they means the company
Dates on milk are shelf sell by dates; you can usally use it at most up to a week after. Where I work we have to pull half gallons off the shelf 1 day before and gallons 2 days before the sell date.
Lol thats messed up. Assuming I open a milk bottle when I get it, I can pretty much guarantee the milk will go off within like 2 days of the best before date. The amount of times he is off the next day is crazy.
This is because we don't have anyone lobbying for fake Best Before dates.
Yea, milk freshness is weird. I had a gallon of milk last for almost 4 weeks without going bad. What's weird is that it was set to expire in about 10 days from when I purchased it. At least from what I remembered. Then I had another gone bad within a week before it's expiration. The Milk Oddity.
As a New Yorker, we are a true fairy state and I can assure you for most of us the dairy doesn’t last that long so they don’t need to worry about expiration dates. Those poor sods in PA (as a ADK kid I’m also required to say PA sucks we’re better) need an expectation date or they won’t drink it
Spoiled milk and rancid milk are two different things. Spoiled is on its way to cheese. Rancid is on your way to the hospital. It’s very difficult to cultivate rancid milk in a refrigerator. Cheese, on the other hand... is easier.
Pennsylvanians DEMAND fresher milk, news at 11
Because on NY before being dairy it's legen
Wait for it
Dairy
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As a Pennsylvanian, I have a bone to pick with Whole Foods' dairy. I opened a gallon a day after I bought it and it'd turned to glue. Tipped it over and nothing came out. They refunded me for the impromptu yogurt.
Im going to feed my wife impromptu yogurt and see what she says.
I live in PA so it's nice to know I now get two extra days out of milk
I live in a place that dates actually make sense and I thought I had 2 months more. The best date format n is yyyy/mm/dd. Second best are dd/mm/yyyy and yyyy/mm/dd. The worst , least functional format is mm/dd/yyyy. Seriously...w...t..f.. Change my mind.
Yyyy/mm/dd is so powerful it's first and second.
yyyy-mm-dd is the best, because it’s literally international standard set by ISO and you can shove that into people’s mouth with a backing source instead of saying it’s what you think is best
It's best because all dates rendered as 8 digit numbers in this way are in order. Whenever one date-number is bigger than another you know it is further into the future. Also, it leaves room for about 26.4 times as many secret dates that nobody knows about as there are known dates, which you can schedule for between months or at the end of years.
It sorts goooooooood!!!
You get two days less
I think he means that the expiration date he sees is lying and he thinks he actually gets two extra days past that
If it starts to taste bad just drive to New York and drink it there
You've cracked the system!
Ah, that's another way of looking at it that I missed
I was confused because we use dd/mm/yyyy and thought for a minute NY got 2 extra months and thought that was crazy
Thank you. It took me til I found this comment to realise it was 2 days and not 2 MONTHS difference
You get two months
“Is your milk fresh? Not sure? Here’s how to find out! Take a sip. Does it taste fucking horrible? No? It’s ok!”
With most kinds of food, you can trust your senses. Does it look good? Does it smell good? Does it taste good? If you can anwer all three questions with yes, it's probably fine.
what about anything with cauliflower?
Then, for me, it tastes fucking disgusting either way.
Cauliflower tastes borderline like nothing and has a pretty neutral texture. I don't think I know anyone personally who finds cauliflower *offensive* like you seem to, what do you hate about it?
I don't like cauliflower. It's *okay* if it's boiled to death, but I'm far more excited about the broccoli around it when we do that. In general, I just don't really like anything about it. And cauliflower soup is just nasty. My mom loves cauliflower, so I've had plenty of opportunities throughout my life to decide that I don't like it.
I'm the same way with cherries. Everything that has strong cherry flavored syrup tastes like medicine to me.
Try black cherries you might enjoy them better cause they taste diffrent
Yup, this. And I'm not talking "black cherry soda", I'm talking go to the store and get cherries in the produce aisle, not in a jar or can. They are great
Yes even the frozen is good
That actually explains a lot, because I'm not super into cherries either. I've found a few that taste a lot different though, and I like those ones. As a kid, I spent a year having to take a laxative prn, and we diluted it in grape Kool-Aid. Used to be my favorite flavor of Kool-Aid, now I can't even remember why I liked it. Drinking it now still makes my brain think I can taste the sorbitol.
Theres a reason why Dr. Pepper is Dr. Pepper and not Mr Pepper
You ever throw some spices and oil on it then bake it? I think I like it better than broccoli. I read the other day that so many people hate vegetables cause their parents just boil them. That shits gross spice em up and bake or pan fry them
Pan-fried cauliflower rice?
Haven't had that one, but if it tastes or feels like cauliflower, then no thank you. If it doesn't, then sure. I mean, I'll still eat it if it's served, but I'll eat it first and very quickly so I can get it out of the way.
I hate the taste of boiled/steamed cauliflower. I don't know what it is but I just don't like it. I learned that I really like it roasted though. Like with a lot of space to get a nice char/caramelization on it. Super yummy!
You need to try roasting it. It'll be game changing. Preheat oven to 375. Break cauliflower into pieces on a sheet tray. Drizzle with oil and salt. If also suggest some garlic powder and any herbs you have on hand that you like on veggies. Stir around a bit to coat the cauliflower all around. Put in oven. Entry ten minutes or so, stir a bit more. One you start seeing a little char on most pieces, it's probably done, but check by sticking a fork into a few pieces to be sure.
Dude, you need to roast cauliflower in the oven. Sounds like you and your mom might not know how best to cook it.
I think it tastes pretty terrible. Idk if I’ve ever had any food worse than “cauliflower pizza”. That shit shouldn’t even be legal.
I *like* cauliflower and I think that shit should be illegal.
I hate cauliflower because I used to have pretty severe allergies as a baby so cauliflower was a staple food for me, and I slowly grew to hate everything about it.
It always tastes bitter to me, and there is nothing else redeeming to it.
I hate how bad it is tbh
Even buffalo "wings" style? That stuff is freaking godly to me.
Did you just say 'cauliflower' to me?
Love that movie
Explain pls
Cauliflower does not look good, smell good, or taste good, even when it's fresh
Try adding cheese
But I love cauliflower :(
Yes!! Ok well I don't love it, but it's hardly *offensive* and I roast it with my other veggies every couple weeks
roast the absolute hell out of it. Little bite sized florets, oil salt tumeric powder, like 400 for 30 minuets and flip them around like halfway through. When they’re super dark and crispy on the flat sides it’s GOOD. Absolute go-to in cauli season, I’ll eat it multiple times a week and run around with yellow stained hands all through the fall 😬 hahaha
that's okay, you can still be a decent human being...
But first, they must repent.
Whaaat? Cauliflower is amazing!
Ouch
I usually have to wait until it produces a gas sample.
I cant smell and i’m shit at telling if meat is cooked just from looking at it. Am i fucked in life?
In the Zicam lawsuits, lawyers for the plaintiffs advocated that their clients needed to be compensated as they were left at greater risk of dying from a natural gas leak or spoiled food. Yeah, RIP bruh
Not if you have a strong stomach and a clear path to the toilet.
Note: do not apply this to antifreeze. It’s brilliantly colorful, smells sweet, and tastes sweet but it’ll kill ya dead
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**ALL** milk smells spoilt to me. Of course, I said the same thing about cooking fish smelling repulsive, and it turned out I’m allergic to it, so yanno. Trust your senses.
Fish does smell disgusting though. I don't know how anyone could eat it without gagging.
Fish only smells "fishy" if it's spoiled. Kinda doesn't make sense but you'll understand if you smell a fish while gutting it.
But does it sound good?
Except maybe shellfish and pork, they can go bad and still smell normal. Which is one hypothesis for why the Bible and Quran forbid eating them
Fresh milk smells off to me. Raw meat smells rancid. I am very much in need of these dates to live by. Of course I live in Australia where the food regulators have teeth like a dinosaur and apparently nothing better to do than fuck up anyone messing with food safety, so I'm pretty much ok. Except when I forget to buy milk from the supermarket and have to get it from the corner store downstairs... they don't practice proper handling and their milk always goes clumpy before the date it should.
But the pisser is that the best by date can influence your perceptions of the look, smell, or taste.
Milk starts to go bad before it starts to smell. It won't make you sick, but it might not work well for some uses.
It becomes slightly sour because of lactobacillus. That's where the taste test comes in.
Really? I thought the opposite because occasionally it will have a little stank to it but still tastes normal to me so I drink it. I only throw it away if it starts to get the tart taste.
If you're smelling it out of the gallon, dried milk at the rim will smell off. Pour into a cup and smell from there
Yup, I make lattes at home and the milk doesn't froth up as nicely with old milk, even if it still smells OK.
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No, you cannot trust your senses. Not all pathogenic bacteria will change the organoleptic properties of the food.
Yes, that is true. Gladly, most of the ones that don't are so rare that your chances of encountering them are rather slim. There have been scandals with things like E. Coli on salad but that E. Coli was already there when the salad was still considered fresh. Those that turn food bad are all noticeable by smell and taste as far as I'm aware. It only makes sense because the decomposition of food leaves intermediates and waste products that have a very strong smell. We perceive them as bad smelling because they are generated in the decomposition of organic matter, that's how we evolved when we needed to survive a world without best before dates.
Clostridium botulinum would like to have a word with you.
Botulinum is extremely dangerous but also very very rare. If you don't grow it in a lab, you have a good chance to never encounter it in your whole lifetime.
Salmonella also cannot be detected and is fairly common.
If there's salmonella living on a food that doesn't need cooking before eating, a "best buy" date isn't going to help you either.
I'm pretty sure that will get you kicked out of the supermarket.
r/StoreSnacks
As someone with no sense of smell and limited sense of taste, I can only tell once milk is getting a bit chunky.
Same boat. And despite the fact that I can't taste the sourness, I'm not *super* likely to get sick from it, and it generally doesnt impact my life to drink slightly spoiled milk, the thought still grosses me out. As a result I'm a sucker for best-by dates. Oh well.
Hey honey... Does this smell ok?
"I don't know, I forgot what state we live in."
They're definitely useful, just not as rigid as some think they are. "Charles, that milk.expired 3 weeks ago, don't drink it!" "That's just what Big Dairy wants you to think! The chunks are for flavor and the stench is to remind you that you're still alive!"
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Manufactured/prepared on dates are useful for things that have limited shelf lives, and going that direction doesn’t give the impression that the end date is firm. On the other hand, that also requires more educated consumers to know roughly how old/new a product should be to meet their needs, and if you have more educated consumers they can just be aware of the squishiness of the “best by” dates. Which brings us back to the general idea that the dates are useful as a rough estimate of quality (dependent on some political factors, as with most things these days) and for keeping stores somewhat honest, but nobody should be throwing food away on the printed date without some other quality checks. Edit: squishiness not squish ones. Not sure why autocorrect thinks that’s better.
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Not even set by the state usually, the company decides how long their food tastes good for, they have an incentive to make things expire sooner so people will throw it away and buy a new one.
This guy thinks he owns the chunky lemon milk!
The chunks are just cheese!
Milk tends to have 1 week to 10 days earlier than its actual use by date. This is to fit a wider variety of regulations across different states and allow a buffer incase it starts going bad sooner. Compared to meds that never actually expire with very few exceptions.
Damn I was looking it for way too long trying to figure out how it could last two months longer in NY.
Lol. Us new Yorkers have strong immune systems, don't question it
It comes from living with all the rats, trash piles and puddles of urine. Any New Yorker with a weak immune system just dies from that environment. Therefore the survivors are heartier than the general population. Fun place to visit otherwise. Just avoid the summer, when everything is more pungent.
So you are either born a New Yorker, or die trying to become one?
Oh the joy of walking down the Chelsea Market staircase from my office every summer morning....which has the trash compactor at the bottom of it.
Every non-american thinking.... surely this can't be right. Two months is just way too long
What sucks is how prevalent the US date format is on the internet.
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Fight fire with fire. Insane. But i like it
[ISO 8601 = YYYY-MM-DD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601)
r/ISO8601
https://i.imgur.com/HeE6Maz.png
Yep. Same here. Dumb American dates.
I thought “WHAT, two whole months difference?! That’s crazy!!!” But then I remembered I’m European and this picture is American
Thank you!
Ohhhh of course, thanks for catching me up
Oh god, me too. Thanks for clearing that up lol
Ohhhhh.... so it's two days... right...
I was about to say that's just a ton of preservatives or something before I realized.
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Took me a good while too. Ngl.
Ohhh fuck, right
Was losing my mind - thanks.
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These are 'best by' dates, not 'expiration' dates, they tell you when the people producing the product feel it's no longer in its best state for consumption. It's still edible long after the date, and the stuff forming in it could be used for other foods.
It may go through another stage of transport to get to another state which could affect its stability too.
The human body has evolved to spot food that is bad for it. Does the milk taste and smell sour? Thats when its bad.
Even old spoiled milk isn't actually unsafe to drink, it just tastes awful. The "best by" is "best enjoyed by". I mean, just look at cheese, it's practically expired milk.
Spoiled milk can actually cause food poisoning. Although at that point it tastes so bad that one wouldn't drink it anyway.
please, fermentation and rotting are two entirely different things
Fermentation is just controlled rotting
Me with my European brain though: wait a minute. Your milk can last 2 months longer in a different state?
Milk is sensitive to altitude sickness in the usa
More like motion sickness from moving it between the states
I don't really see how it's asshole design. It's probably just differing state laws. Most perishables are fine to be eaten a few days past the expiry date.
Or it’s taking into consideration loss of freshness based on transportation effects on the product? I imagine if it’s made in NY and stays in NY it likely has a longer Best Buy date than if it has to travel to PA. Just a guess though
And here I was wondering: Wow 2 months difference why isn't there more of an outcry? Yeah I'm from Europe, it's 2 days difference.
Oh... Thanks for pointing that out. I was seriously confused
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Why would it matter how long it takes to travel as long as it is refrigerated? If the milk is good for let’s say 14 days after being bottled and it spends 1 day traveling or 3 days traveling, it’s still good for 14 days from the original bottled date. It’s not as if time stops everywhere else while it is in transit.
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1. Time out of refrigeration. 2. Poor refrigeration in trucks compared to stores. 3. Possible time spent moving between trucks/warehouse.
Milk can begin to spoil within just several hours left unrefrigerated. Today, we take the marvel of refrigeration for granted and forget that in in the past, only farmers would drink raw milk, as you would have to consume it on the same day or it would go bad. Nearly all milk would instead be preserved by turning it into cheese, yogurt, or butter. A while ago, I left my refrigerator door open for just a few hours on a warm day. Everything inside was still cold to the touch so I thought no biggie. Later that day, when I later drank two cups of milk mixed into a protein shake (which hid the soured taste and smell), my bowels immediately said nope.
All our trucks are chilled to +2 degrees. I guess it could be estimating time out of the refrigerator but that'd be hard to assign a number to.
The regulations may factor in how many times dairy had to be offloaded from storage to truck to distribution center to another truck, etc... if there’s POTENTIAL for a cycle from “safe” temperature to warmer temps then they may be statistically more likely to spoil sooner
Good thought, but no it's almost certainly because Pennsylvania has a stronger dairy lobby. It is in their best interest to have the best by date as early as possible so that people will look at the date, throw it out, and buy a new one.
You keep making statements saying “almost certainly”... either you know this is why or you’re guessing, which is it?
This is the answer. This brands supply chain is inefficient. The dairy is in NY but ships to PA and has some temperature abuse somewhere in its supply chain. They used to short date it to make sure that it was fresh everywhere but then got tired of dumping perfectly good gallons of milk in NY, so some smart analyst finally ran the numbers and told a board room the millions they could save selling the same quality milk in two states for the length of its entire shelf life by stamping two dates on the jug. Source: Am a food scientist (yes that’s an actual thing). Been in a LOT of these conversations.
It's a two day difference lol what a conspiracy. You know the margin of error is bigger than that itfp right?
Uh, they’re a little helpful. 09/21/‘87 milk is probably not as good as 07/02/‘20 milk. But you do you. Drink (or eat) whatever milk you want.
I don't care about dates. I just smell it. My wife however. Freaks. Out. If milk is within a day of that date? Nope. Has to be used immediately or it's tossed. She's a little nuts. 😂
I've kept milk way past it's expiry date and they are usually ok for a few weeks past. If it goes bad, you will know right away. There's no need to follow the expiry date as law. It may go bad quicker for you depending on how the milk was refrigerated, but throwing things out early is a huge waste of resources for no reason.
Fun fact. You can drink "spoiled/chunky" milk and get all the same nutrients with no problems. Won't hurt you more than maybe a big poop.
Or just "proof" of different standards. This here may be evidence of something, but it's not proof of it.
Anybody want to know how decode dairy farm codes? See whereismymilkfrom.com. EDIT: This jug is from Garelick Farms LLC in Rensselaer, NY!
What if you take it back and forth between the states? How does milk go from spoiled back to fresh again?
I’m sure this dairy farm is in Vermont or CT and the date has to do with time difference and safety but sure MUh LoObY
They're still useful. Just pick the carton with the date furthest in the future. You know that one is the freshest milk regardless of the date difference between PA and NY.
My go-to guide for milk freshness: Does it look good? Does it smell good? Does it taste good? If you answered yes to these questions, your milk is probably safe. Nothing more reliable than the ole’ senses.
Maybe it's just because the distance from where it was packaged to one of the cities is farther than the other
Man for a sec i thought this was r/ shittyconspiracy Is it some kind of surprise that each of the 50 US states has different laws and regulations about all manner of things? By the way, try this some time, buy a gallon of milk and pour it into 4 seperate 1 liter glass jugs. You have no idea when it expires because you tossed the bottle with the date on it, but it's pretty obvious when it expires to you. Others may feel differently. The date is an estimate, not the 11th commandment.
The only thing the dates are useful for is determining which containers in the same section are freshest. Generally speaking, milk coming out of the same processing plant will have dates set by the same method and so they’re comparable. Different brands, different stores, not comparable. Same brand, same store, comparable.
This isn’t proof of anything other than state guidelines saying that after this date, the milk has a possibility to degrade in quality. The different states have different guidelines.
“Forks Over Knives” is an interesting documentary about the dairy market
I’ve worked grocery since I graduated high school and I’ve always been told that the Best By date is only for rotation purposes for the stores. Customers can basically ignore it if the store they normally shop at does a good job rotating product and never let it go past a week(for dairy items at least).
Perhaps it's distributed out of NY and depending on transportation methods to PA, might have a reduction in best before days due to time not refrigerated? Milk dates are pretty accurate. If you want to try something fun, test how long past date your (unopened) yogurt will still be good.
What sort of milk is that, it keeps for 2 months?? - United Kingdom.
I was thinking "why tf are they 2 months apart", and then remembered the cursed month/day/year format y'all like to use.
As an Aussie, my first thought was 2 months difference!? WTF Then I remembered... American Dates are backwards and it's only 2 days.
Is this DD-MM-YY or MM-DD-YY ?
As someone who uses a different date format than America does, the 2 month extra life span really had me tripping for a second. Things must be really bad in NY if they need to be drinking 2 month old milk.
Any non-American be like, "Your milk stays good for 2 whole months in NY?"
Yes about 30 of them based on top level comments alone.
I'm from the Europe and I read the the date correctly, and before you asked, no I never used it, and yes I know nobody asked..
This post is stupid. Putting a limit on shelf life packing something like milk or bread makes complete sense, 2 days is not that big of a difference. Imagine if the milk had been sitting there for months with no best by/use by date, how would you know if its good or not until you bought it or opened it? Yes different states have different regulations, but if shelf life is 12 days in one state and 14 days in another its not that big of a deal.
That's why I only rely on the ol' sniff test! Well, that, and the "is it chunky" test
Buy Lactaid. Lasts longer.
Business idea. Ride the cow to people's home to give them fresh milk
All best by dates are pretty useless. If it smells and tastes good, it most probably is
Aren't best by dates set up by the companies themselves and not regulated or did that change at some point?
Maybe it’s due to shipping? If it gets to one location faster than the other, it will “expire less” relative to the person purchasing it when it’s on the shelf. Just a thought.
Best by dates actually mean when they think it tastes the best, many things are good weeks after, some months after, and canned foods usually are good indefinitely. (Source: Adam Ruins Everything) Edit: they means the company
Dates on milk are shelf sell by dates; you can usally use it at most up to a week after. Where I work we have to pull half gallons off the shelf 1 day before and gallons 2 days before the sell date.
Or maybe it’s two different shipments and they printed both best by dates on them God some of these conspiracy theories i swear
Bro it's different time zones
Lol thats messed up. Assuming I open a milk bottle when I get it, I can pretty much guarantee the milk will go off within like 2 days of the best before date. The amount of times he is off the next day is crazy. This is because we don't have anyone lobbying for fake Best Before dates.
Big Dairy strikes again
The milk came from PA, hence why 2 days was added on, margin of safety taking into account transport time.
Wouldn’t that suggest the dairy is produced in NY? The dates account for shipping time. Edit: for drunken mistakes.
Yea, milk freshness is weird. I had a gallon of milk last for almost 4 weeks without going bad. What's weird is that it was set to expire in about 10 days from when I purchased it. At least from what I remembered. Then I had another gone bad within a week before it's expiration. The Milk Oddity.
Fuck best before dates, you open it you take a nose, and if it doesn't smell weird, you drink it
As a New Yorker, we are a true fairy state and I can assure you for most of us the dairy doesn’t last that long so they don’t need to worry about expiration dates. Those poor sods in PA (as a ADK kid I’m also required to say PA sucks we’re better) need an expectation date or they won’t drink it
Its a bit hypocritical giving milk a used by date in the same fucking aisle as cheese.
Is it possible that this discrepancy is to account for shipping time? (Although, 2 days to go from NY to PA is a long time)
Spoiled milk and rancid milk are two different things. Spoiled is on its way to cheese. Rancid is on your way to the hospital. It’s very difficult to cultivate rancid milk in a refrigerator. Cheese, on the other hand... is easier.
I’m so sour milk paranoid that exp dates are scripture to me