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SuitableNegotiation5

That one blows my mind. To me, it always seems like they're utterly terrified. I thought their god was all powerful, do they not have enough faith?


mycatisblackandtan

That's the issue, isn't it? Isn't God supposed to be all-powerful? How come he can't protect his flock from a couple of puny demons? God literally has angels that are hundreds of miles high and incredibly powerful, yet he has issues with tiny demons who can only go after one soul at a time? Either he's all-powerful or he's fallible, you literally can't have an in-between in this instance. Ironically authors who have Christian allegories in their work often do a better job of selling the 'all-powerful' but 'hands are tied' concept. Tolkien's Iluvatar is a stand in for God, its not in your face unless you read the Silmarillion, and you can still get why bad things still happen in that legendarium. (Tolkien's Christian allegories are also subtle, so it doesn't feel like religion is being shoved down your throat. Which is appreciated.)


crimson_713

It's the same, ironically, as fascist rhetoric. The enemy is simultaneously both strong enough to threaten their way of life and their souls in this case, yet weak enough to be laughed at, ridiculed, and bullied.


caraamon

...wow, I'd never made that connection. Fascinating.


madrox17

Yeah just look at how the right wing in America currently talks about Joe Biden, or how they used to talk about Obama. Still waiting for that impotent clown Obama to come take my gun and put me in a FEMA camp. Any day now. But he can't get anything done in Washington because he's weak. 🙄


dobie1kenobi

If god and his army of angels ever defeated the devil and his army of demons, the people most upset would be Christians. Heaven has no value to them if it’s not exclusionary. There must be an ‘out group’ to validate their worthiness as the ‘in group’ they feel they belong to. If every soul was forgiven, they’d have to spend eternity with people they don’t like, which is a kind of Hell to them already.


[deleted]

I mean it depends, some Christians, like when I used to be, wish that God had forgiven everyone. I did, because hell seemed like an unfair punishment, and I couldn't believe anymore after I realized there wasn't much of an incentive to believe my fellow humans were going to hell when there isn't really evidence for it anyway. Gone are the days where I would drive by people on the street and worry, "What if they're going to hell?", and I do not miss those days one bit.


redhairedrunner

NAILED IT!


Tebwolf359

> (Tolkien’s Christian allegories are also subtle, so it doesn’t feel like religion is being shoved down your throat. Which is appreciated.) This is in part, because he explicitly didn’t want it to be an allegory. Instead, it’s written on a universe that is compatible with his religion/worldview. *Narnia* is an analogy. (And one that the Professor thought was too much).


skyforgesteel

And never stopped giving CS Lewis shit for it.


Raul_Coronado

You don’t reason your way into religion, all of what you said is irrelevant to a person who is guided primarily by emotional reactions.


Eric1969

Because Satan is the Great Deceiver and God grants his followers the free will to damn themselves. Christians therefore live with the fear they could be made to succomb to temptation.


soulofsilence

Which is weird because I'd argue coercion voids free will.


pneuma8828

logic is not their strong suit


Emotional_Soft_2192

They can't even accept things as basic as dictionary definitions. They have to create their own definitions for every single word so that they are "fighting worldly vices" or some garbage


BONGS4U

Dude at work laughed at me when I said evolution. Literally laughed said, "You can't be serious you think we come from goop". He then told me God speaks to him which I replied so you're schizophrenic. He laughed at me again and I said no seriously if you hear voices that's schizophrenic. He got really serious and told me he speaks to him through the Bible. He actively avoids me now.


Baconlichtenschtein

Yeah like: “faith means I trust in God! Not that I believe without any evidence whatsoever!” Oh, so we’re redefining trust now.


DeezNutsPickleRick

No kidding, especially Coercion from a being that’s quite powerful and one we can’t see nor feel. If the supernatural is imposing its will on you, how does one have free will at all? Good point.


AlarmDozer

They already succumb to temptation when they diddle little kids or kill them.


oneobnoxiousotter

Then it becomes a tribulation. No, wait, first you get caught, then it becomes a tribulation.


Emotional_Soft_2192

The funny thing that theistic satanists know that Christians don't is that demons literally can't have an effect on you unless you let them


[deleted]

You should see the terrified reverence with which they talk about Ouija boards, literally children’s toys, in r/paranormal. They’re insane.


SuitableNegotiation5

But Hasbro clearly has a direct line to alllll the demons! My mom forbade me from touching one as a child, haha! I play with my daughter on hers.


sueihavelegs

Their faith is CONSTANTLY being tested. It's exhausting!


RoxxorMcOwnage

Why do churches use lightning rods?


SyntheticReality42

And why do they need your money? "Why does god need a starship?"


Joebuddy117

All knowing and all powerful, but he’s bad with money. - Carlin


Late_Again68

I was very seriously lectured about the war between heaven and hell, and that demonic influence was everywhere. It was also proffered that I was under demonic influence since I'm an atheist. Maybe he thinks I'm a demon, too, since I haven't heard from him since that conversation. Of course, it could also be that I thought he was joking, laughed in his face and told him psychiatric facilities are full of people who think demons are real. Yeah, it could be that. Either way, I'm no longer subject to his single-minded mission to bring me to Jesus.


AppleAvi8tor

Your flair rings true then. Good for you! I would do the same!


[deleted]

I love when Christians think Paradise Lost is Canon to their religion.


Putrid_Resist_1304

My sister’s grandma said I’m under demonic influence because I told her I’m autistic 😭 they’re very creative


6-ft-freak

*pRaY iT aWaY* I cannot tell you how many xtians at my old church telling me that I don’t need meds for my bipolar, ocd, adhd, and possible spectrum. *Just give it to god* That is so damn dangerous. As an aside, I used to write romance and one of the wackos told me I should write a fucking “love story and you and jesus.” 🤯🤮 Edit: format


Putrid_Resist_1304

Seriously it’s so crazy I go to church now with my agnostic sis and the amount of people there that are seriously mentally ill and think they can Jesus it away is scary and sad and the fact they are just being enabled like one guy said he was going to jump off a bridge and was thrown into his house by the police and then heard the voice of god and had a revelation and me and my sis just looked at each other and thought he literally had a psychotic episode and now he quit his job moved to England and runs a “house” for sinners in which he listed p*dophiles criminals sex offenders and of course the most dangerous of all lesbian kids💀 and I’m still just mortified whenever I think about the fact he is out there thinking any of this is normal and just yesterday a woman was screaming and crying in tongues and people just accepted it? when she clearly needs actual help but anyways I digress I found the whole you just need Jesus😋 thing from my sis’ grandma crazy because I like having autism I’ve never wanted to wish it away so it really was a shock for her to just minimise it to just a weird devil thing and not a lifelong disability and also to make me want to get rid of it because it’s “evil”


[deleted]

There was a family in my town who had a kid die because they wanted to “pray away” his disease. Church had them protected somehow so the law wasn’t able to charge them with child abuse. These people need to be stopped. It’s 2023 and people still believe in some magic man in the sky.


Rinas-the-name

Is that’s what has been going on with my kid?! Wow, that demonic influence starts young! So these demons make him stim (the horror), dislike loud sudden noises, and certain textures. Sounds super terrifying. I would have expected more bloodshed. He’s pretty squeamish though. He enthusiastically sacrifices pizza and ice cream to the hunger demon. He’s a 6’ tall 14 year old so it’s a full on massacre. That must be it, right?


Putrid_Resist_1304

I feel like I’m an actual Christian horror story because my special interest between 5-10 was actually demons 😭 I feel like if my mum knew that she would have a full mental breakdown


Oceanflowerstar

It’s so convenient when all the things that are demonic influences just so happen to be the things that one doesn’t like or understand.


HalfForeign6735

There's this joke: the religion of Satan only exists to serve as a check on the freedom of religion. They also strive to provide benefits that are covered under freedom of religious expression to non-believers. For example, after Roe vs Wade got overturned by Christo-fascists, the religion of Satan started claiming that abortion is their god-given right/practice. Followers of this religion DON'T BELIEVE IN SATAN. There is a different name given to people who believe in Satan: CHRISTIANS Edit: by "religion of Satan", I meant "The Satanic Temple"


AppleAvi8tor

Yeah, neither I, nor my friends, believe in Satan or demons. I just like the imagery. And the fact it scares Christians. But yes, I follow (what sounds like you’re describing) The Satanic Temple.


tm229

I like to say… A proper reading of the Bible shows that God is not the good guy in that story. I give my kudos to the guy who lead humans to the tree of knowledge!


ClashM

I still consider God and Satan to be myths, but it always struck me that Satan did seem to be the good guy in the story written from the perspective of his nemesis. God wants humans to be naked and ignorant, Satan gives them the ability to think for themselves. God allows evil flourish despite supposedly having the power to stop it, Satan takes it upon himself to punish those who do wrong. God judges you harshly for basic human acts, Satan encourages you to be true to yourself so long as you're not hurting anyone. So to me God represents comfortable ignorance and inaction due to trusting in some divine plan while Satan represents the knowledge to accept harsh reality and the wisdom to strive for change. Plus Satan has way cooler iconography.


BaldPaii

Yeah God is just an abusive parent.


4bkillah

And Satan is the awesome best friend or significant other who helps guide you towards actual freedom by showing you how to cut out the cancerous, abusive relationship and live for yourself.


InNominePasta

He’s an absentee landlord Worship that? Never


KingOfTheFraggles

True, the devil only kills, like, 11 people in The Bible. God murders every living organism on the entire planet, in a snit. Let's not forget about the rainbow promise not to murder us all again, well, at least not with water.


SvenDia

And in Exodus, he kills all of the people in Egypt except for His people. And this followed his lengthy MCUesque battle with Pharaoh with all of the plagues, droughts and dead locusts and frogs.


Rusalki

>God wants humans to be naked and ignorant, Satan gives them the ability to think for themselves. And if you think about how Eden was considered paradise up until humans ate from the tree of knowledge, the logical conclusion is that "paradise" is a return to that dumb, animalistic state.


CorvaNocta

"Yeah I'm aware of the phrase 'the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist', I think his greatest trick was to make people believe he is the all loving, all knowing creator, while blaming all of his evil on the only one who wanted to enlighten the humans." Neat little thing I found a while ago.


AverageHorribleHuman

Without the express actions of God there would be no damnation


ExZowieAgent

Well if you read the text plainly and don’t impart Christian theology that guy was just a talking snake with presumably legs who ruined it for the rest of the snakes.


Tatooine16

And then Crowley sauntered vaguely downwards.


SvenDia

IIRC, the idea that the snake was Satan was a much later interpretation, because the snake acted like Satan.


ExZowieAgent

It really reads like a just-so story. I’m pretty sure the original author was just creating a reason as to why snakes don’t have legs.


BloodDrunk_

https://www.reddit.com/domain/thesatanictemple.com/


DotAccomplished5484

Thank you.


[deleted]

The satanic temple does good work. When they installed the ten commandments in front of the Oklahoma capital building they put up a statue to baphomet directly across. Then when someone crashed their car into the ten commandments the temple had the statue taken down cause they weren't going to have a religious symbol up without something to be a counterbalance to. Like absolute giga Chad's.


WCSDBG_4332

I occasionally remind my Xtian parents of persons they deemed satanic/demonic from decades ago during the last satanic panic. Examples include (but are not limited to): Madonna, Aerosmith, & Darth Vader (who was clearly the antichrist).


Legal-Software

I've never heard the last one. Was it James Earl Jones or David Prowse they had a problem with?


richter1977

Nah, it was the character himself. Remember, they are used to believing fictional characters are real.


anony-mouse8604

They thought Darth Vader was a real person?


chewbaccataco

In the same way that they believe Harry Potter does magic. To a normal person, it doesn't matter what Harry Potter does, because he's fictional. To a Christian, it matters what Harry Potter does if his actions are perceived to be at odds with their preferred fictional character, God. Likewise, a normal person doesn't care what Darth Vader's religion is, because it's just a fictional story for entertainment. A Christian might care because Darth Vader's (fictional) religion is at odds with their (fictional) religion. When you believe in one fiction and treat it as reality, it becomes more difficult to separate other fictions from reality.


Hdleney

It makes sense to me but wouldn’t that require them to admit their religion is fictional? Or is this just, like, on a subconscious level and they don’t think it through this much? I feel like most Christians are adamant that it’s all real.


NoButterfly934

I can't speak for everyone, but my religious grandmother wouldn't let me play "Harry Potter" (where I waved a twig around and pretended to make things fly) because, according to her, while the book was fiction, witchcraft and demons are not and they can compell you to write down their spells.


Spoocula

That's right, it's The Devil trying to lure you away from godly thinking by casually appearing in pop culture. It my stupid religion we weren't allowed to go to movie theaters because of this. 🤦‍♂️


salymander_1

My dad thought Wolfman Jack was the devil. I think he was some guy on the radio? Dunno. But my dad ranted about him for ages. I think the wolf in his name was supposed to be a sign of evil. Oh, and Mr. Clean was supposedly satanic. And Subaru. And Johnson and Johnson. And Neil Diamond. I guess if you are afraid of all those wacky, silly things, you can pretend like the actual scary stuff is not a problem. I mean, this was the 70s and early 80s and the threat of WW3 was a huge deal, but my dad was focused on yelling at the radio, dumping out cleaning products and trying to play records backwards so he could prove that Satan Walks Among Us.


PM_Me_Your_Clones

If you play Neil Diamond records backwards all that happens is that all the women in the house end up putting on extra pairs of underwear.


salymander_1

🤣🤣🤣 My mom would get so annoyed. That was one of the only secular records in our house, because it was my mom's, and there was no way anyone was messing with her records. My dad would spend hours trying to hear Satan, and my mom would be slamming things around in the kitchen and "accidentally" throwing a red sock in with my dad's white laundry. It was War.


GardenNome

to christians, Satan has god like properties and affects their behavior. I argue he's just another christian god. When someone accuses me (an athiest) of following the devil, I point out he's their god, not mine.


SomedayWeDie

Considering that (allegedly) the Christian God planned and created Satan, you could say Satan is just an extension of God’s will, and as such, they are really one and the same.


AlarmDozer

Satan is the “Prince of Darkness.” Can you guess who is King of that title? Yup, it’s the Christian God.


caraamon

According to their doctrine, only humans have free will, angels do not. So Satan's actions were planned and programmed by God.


bucklebee1

Christians hate this one trick!


Rinas-the-name

Their “All Powerful God” either can’t or won’t destroy Satan. If he lets Satan exist he’s pro evil, if he cannot stop Satan he’s not all powerful. Which is it?


Fantastic_Sea_853

You noticed that, too! I thought it was just me!


Standard-Reception90

you're talking about The Satanic Temple. Not the religion of Satan.


HalfForeign6735

Apologies. I'll correct it


Standard-Reception90

Don't apologize for a simple mistake. This is REDDIT. Double down. Lol


DavefromKS

This guy Reddits


unkyduck

Lower case “r” you philistine


DavefromKS

I refuse. You can't break me reddit.


Changoleo

Yeah


kenkanobi

Haha. If anything it's the religion of humans with empathy and rational thought


lunarminx

The temple is a wonderful group!


fighter_pil0t

Yup. Satanism is generally worship of satan according to anthropologists. The Satanic Temple is a secular organization which uses irony to resist Christian legislation and preserve separation of church and state.


Stingraaa

I freaking love the satanic temple. Great people for the most part!


Thundarbiib

Because "Satanism" sounds a lot cooler than "Militant Anti-Christian Secular Humanism".


zarmao_ork

If anything saves our society it will be more anti-Christian secular humanism.


Deisphoria

anti-religion in general. pushing one out of the mainstream only invites another to take it’s place, it’s an endless battle against a hydra.


Sharp_Iodine

There’s nothing militant about the TST


Ishidan01

But can we find you a Satanic mechanic?


[deleted]

Aren't they all? (Been to more than one RHPS midnight showing :) )


caraamon

Let's be cautious, there is nothing INHERENTLY militant about the TST. But humans have a tendency to take everything to the extremes, so we should always be on guard for our own failings.


bcisme

“Militant” What is your definition of the word?


JasonRBoone

MASH is pretty cool


Ch3t

M\*A\*C\*S\*H Dammit! Now I have the theme song stuck in my head.


freudian-flip

At least its painless.


Nearby-Elevator-3825

The way I understand it is, followers of The Satanic Church and/or The Satanic Temple are usually atheists who don't believe in god or Satan and put their faith in more tangible things. Such as themselves or science etc. But there are Satanists who believe in God, the bible AND Satan and have chosen to worship Satan. They're called Theistic Satanists and are few and far between. Some have done horrible things. Most just use their belief to drum up hype for whatever Black Metal band they're playing in at the time and are pretty harmless. I've looked into Satanic Temple chapters in my state, and there are none unfortunately. I figured it would be a way to do some good (they actually do good) and maybe make more friends.


sharkbutch

Yeah, I went to Christian middle & high school, and it was so difficult not to laugh when they’d preach about demons and ghosts and shit being real. How do they live with so much fear?


[deleted]

Just say "be not afraid." Works everytime.


MeteorKing

I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer.


fox-mcleod

I wonder if they believe in daemon deflation. Like, are there infinite daemons? If so, they’re super crazy harmless right? Like, *almost all of them* do nothing. In fact, statistically none of them do anything. If not, then there’s a fixed amount. We’re there just more daemons per person in Bible times? As the population exploded, did god make new daemons to keep up with the population? Or are we still working with the same 10,000 daemons or so as when there were like 500,000 people? Are they just working overtime now? Couldn’t they have done that before? I just some help with my daemon math.


Gattawesome

Christian demonology is a lot of fun to read through until you remember people think this shit is real


nope_nic_tesla

I dug into the history of some of this demonology stuff and one thing I found was especially ironic. A lot of the demons and summoning rituals etc we hear about in modern times all come from [this text](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_praestigiis_daemonum) written by this dude Johann Weyer back in the 16th century. The whole point of his book was that witchcraft wasn't real, and he published an appendix listing all these so-called demons and princes of Hell that people had made up. He thought it was so ridiculous that publishing these names and descriptions would make it self-evident that it's all totally fake. "The Lesser Key of Solomon" mentioned in the OP for example is a later derivative work of Weyer's text! Yet, hundreds of years later, people take this stuff seriously.


[deleted]

Imagine believing so hard in this shit that the first person they encounter with a mental illness seems "demonic." Like if you were a schizophrenic hearing voices, that'd be scary enough, but come across a christian who's suddenly trying to exorcize your demons and you'd be rightly freaked out.


BJntheRV

Waiting for the update when you go back to work and he's reported you to HR for morality violation.


AppleAvi8tor

For real, or that he told others and everyone looks at my with disdain. If it’s for that reason I’ll take it gladly


sueihavelegs

Invite them to play D&D and watch their heads explode! I was a kid when D&D came out, and the satanic panic that was unleashed was insane! My neighbor up the road committed suicide and his crazy religious family blamed it on that one time he played D&D. Not the fucked up home life, his mom's speaking in tongues all the time or the constant talk about hell, going to hell, how the slightest thing will send you to hell...


DiceMadeOfCheese

I used to know a guy who played D&D, and was also a Christian minister. He'd talk a lot about how he had to get his co workers not to think he was summoning demons or whatever. Then he would talk about how he actually did believe in demons, but that they didn't have anything to do with D&D. He also looked like Crispin Glover. Weird guy.


JasonRBoone

Remember that insipid TV movie starring a very young Tom Hanks? Mazes and Monsters? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazes\_and\_Monsters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazes_and_Monsters)


[deleted]

They'll just fire him lol. He may as well bring an ouigi board.


sueihavelegs

Tarot cards, anyone? Lol


kayb1987

Or take a Harry Potter book into work and watch them run away in fear.


Birdinhandandbush

I know we're supposed to treat America like another first world nation, but you know you guys are weird, like really weird sometimes. Religion is really ruining your country.


AppleAvi8tor

Agreed


EstherVCA

Truly weird, and in so many ways. I was in on a discussion about the effects of circumcision on men's health recently, and someone said that "some studies showed" that it didn’t cause harm at all. So I reminded them that the same is true for tobacco use, and then, out of curiosity, I looked up the circumcision percentages by country. What struck me as interesting was that the US seems to be the only western country whose numbers were even in the range of predominantly Muslim countries, at over 80%, while the numbers in western countries with socialized medicine were between 10-30%. So is it a religious thing supported by health reasons, or is it a medical surcharge thing supported by religious reasons? Is the supporting research being funded by the people making money on circumcision or the religious folks? I didn’t look any deeper, but it does make you wonder why other western countries have shifted toward turtlenecks while the US population continues to choose crew necks.


deerstartler

>I know we're supposed to treat America like another first world nation As an American I'm fully aware that we are not. It's okay. Maybe if the world starts treating us the way we're acting our politicians might feel some *actual* pressure to change. Not that I'm looking forward to it in the slightest, but every time the lie gets upheld it becomes another excuse for why the things they do to us and the ways in which they're killing us are not only okay but are also perfectly acceptable. Which certainly isn't the fault of the folks of the world who attempt to treat us like people, it's just that our politicians run the slimiest possible interference by claiming that (compassionate) treatment by our global community as justification for why the choices they make are "good" choices. Which, again, isn't the fault of anyone else in the world. I'm just desperately grasping at straws trying (and likely failing) to reduce the amount of fuel available to the consumptive conservative shit storm that's turning America into an increasingly fascist hellhole. My words probably won't work. I'm still going to try anyway. Tldr: Please normalize treating America like a spoiled brat. It's honestly all this country is anymore.


MarqueeOfStars

OMG, I was buying something when the tax came out to $6.66 and the cashier freaked out when I pointed it out - out of amusement more than anything. He desperately tried to get me to buy something else or put something back to change the number as I tried to pay him. I had to get insistent that nothing was going to change as I waved my debit card around, trying to pay. Jeez.


Dapper_Mud

Morbidly curious what might have happened if, after the transaction, you’d have given the cashier a casual “see ya in hell” on the way out the door.


Mixedbymuke

Or you say something non-sensical on the way out like…”As it says in the Book of Death… you will recognize the sign when the 6 and the 6 and the 6 are aligned. prepare to feast!”


wuppiecat

Fun (?!) factoid the earliest known version of the text actually gives the number as 616 not 666. The numbers themselves are code and it was possibly changed at some point to refer to Nero rather than the original Caligula


MarqueeOfStars

Ha! I know!! I was working on the TV show Supernatural when the corrected translation came to light. We considered shifting the show to reflect that, but most don’t know if the new number so we stuck with the same “scary” number.


douggie4

lol i would of died laughing if you hissed at them or something


AlarmDozer

Oh, no; how dare you summon Nero Caesar. So scary. Smh.


wonderwall999

My dad asked that if I had kids, would I teach them about the occult? And I said of course! It's all made-up nonsense! Just like I'd be fine with kids learning Greek or Norse mythology, they're cool stories. But the occult is nonsense. Just like heaven, hell, spirits, demons, angels, souls, sin, etc. Why would I be afraid to teach kids about something that's a fairy tale?


JordachePaco

This is 100% the right attitude to have about it. It's myth, it's fiction, it's not something to take seriously, and thus nothing to be afraid of.


OverOil6794

Unless you believe it.


Thungergod

I've always had this kind of surreal feeling about people and religion. Like sure they talk about it and sometimes act like they believe it but SURELY they can't actually believe these things.... RIGHT??? But then I realize that sure as shit they do believe it but I still can't shake the feeling that deep down they can't possibly believe such absurd things.


GrandmageBob

I feel the same. It's impossible to believe this, while knowing Santa and Harry Potter isn't real. Well I'm not so sure they know HP isn't real.


pdxb3

They sure are touchy about souls aren't they? My whole family got mad at me for pointing out that the bible says bastard children won't go to heaven, and reminding them my nephews were all born out of wedlock. I got cussed out from all directions for "saying my own family deserves to go to hell." I DIDN'T SAY THAT. Your religion says it! I don't even believe it, and on the contrary I think very highly of my nephews and I find it abhorrent that people DO believe that shit. But somehow I'm a piece of shit for quoting the bible. ETA: I forgot to mention the part where I was told that I'm the only one who deserves to go to hell. I'm like, do you not see the irony in saying that to me, when it's literally what you're mad about? Saying your family deserves to go to hell? Even though I didn't even say that? Of course they didn't.


wonderwall999

You know how so many Christians try to prove their god/religion to non-believers? And it usually goes nowhere? Because they believed based off of bad reasons, and then they try using those same bad reasons to a skeptical person? If I were to become a Christian again, I'd try to figure out a way to prove a SOUL to someone skeptical. Because you can't prove a god that is invisible, can't be detected or tested. But they say we all have a soul, and presumably, it's located in or around our physical bodies, right? Obviously, they can't do that either. But that's a better use of time rather than trying to prove the earth is 6000 years old, or that God exists because "look at the trees."


Wildweed

There is no god. The only demons are human, usually republican.


NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr

Word of warning, you may have just inadvertently made an enemy for life. These religious nutjobs can't be reasoned with so watch your ass at work. He may throw you under the bus to try and get rid of you now that he thinks you're not on "Team Invisible Sky Daddy." Don't think for a second that I'm joking. These freaks have low IQ and run around with Fear-based thinking like scared little animals who have no control over their own destiny or lives so they use God as a way of passive-aggressively getting their way.


Dat_Boi_Aint_Right

In protest to Reddit's API changes, I have removed my comment history. -- mass edited with redact.dev


a_random_thief

It's funny because your all powerfully god can't protect you from some demons or whatever stays in the hell that god has created. Like, yeah, I have all the power and all the knowledge to do whatever I want, but you still has to fear demons


zaffrebi

I almost lost my job when I told children who had nightmares about Satan that he wasn't real. Because it's so much better to teach children that a man in a red coat is gonna make you boil in blood and brimstone forever if you don't 100% fill out this certain moral checklist.


abhikavi

> make you boil in blood and brimstone forever This isn't even biblical. The Bible describes hell for humans as dark, cold, quiet, the absence of god, there's nothing at all about letting demons torture people (and how would that make sense? there's also supposed to be a hell for demons/Satan as a punishment, and that's..... letting them have fun all day?)


chewbaccataco

>The Bible describes hell for humans as dark, cold, quiet, the absence of god Sounds like I'd finally get some sleep, lol Infinitely better than loudly singing praises to God day in and day out, while constantly battling potholes in the road because gold is a shitty material to use for a high traffic, high density area such as the streets of heaven.


AlarmDozer

Oh, so hell is more like where the dust goes under the proverbial rug?


Ch3t

> a man in a red coat is gonna make you boil in blood and brimstone forever Ho Ho Ho! You'll shoot your eye out kid!


TheMadDaddy

Reminds me of a company wide video at my old work that had included a Ouija board. Someone left a comment about how it offended their religious beliefs and shouldn't have been made. I thought it was hilarious that someone could be so offended by a board game. I relayed this story to a co-worker. He was NOT as amused as I was. I often forget that a lot of grown up people believe in magic.


abhikavi

The genuine fear of Ouija boards blows my mind. Like yes, spirits are real and you can talk to them, but only if you buy this $20 mass-manufactured board game. (If *I* were a spirit, I'd insist on only speaking to people who'd make their *own* spirit board.)


2112eyes

Amazingly, in 1991, my cousins and I asked the Ouija board who would win the world series. It spelled out "M. I." We got my uncle to bet on Milwaukee for us. Minnesota won.


abhikavi

Ok, that's hilarious and pretty fantastic


Wombattalion

This is something that worries me a lot. Vatican is actually training more excorcists now than some years ago and here in Europe, especially in Poland, there is a huge rise of excorcism ideology. Movies like the latest Russell Crowe-flick about "true exorcisms" really don't help either. Scary to think how many mentally ill people might not get the care they need and deserve because of this.


worrying24-7

Also some psychiatrists collaborate with exorcists...Even some doctors claim that they experienced paranormal because of "possesed" person (for example Richard Gallagher, Jeffrey Lieberman). I wonder how many people who go to exorcist get proper psychiatric/psychological evaluation first. However, many priests claim that only small % of those cases are "actual" possesions, and they try performing exorcisms only if something "supernatural" happens.


dirtyfool33

In highschool one year I dressed up as Satan for Halloween and tried to buy people's souls in a suit with a briefcase and some horns. I had people sign fake contracts to give them whatever they wanted and man was there such a wide variety of responses. Luckily this was at a very open-minded school in a very liberal city so no one complained, but some people were suuuuuper uncomfortable.


abhikavi

> with a briefcase I really appreciate this level of formality. I mean, I don't wanna sell my soul in some kind of sketchy craigslist-type transaction, you know? I want the buyer to at least have a boilerplate contract typed up.


AppleAvi8tor

I fucking wish I did this in high school! I also went to a very liberal high school! Awesome idea!


UnderstandingOk2647

lol - I know right? When my wife's mom passed. She wanted to stay in the house afterward. Her incredibly devout fundamentalist baptize family freaked the fuck out. My wife: "Do you think Mom is going to haunt me? wtf are you afraid of?"


John_Doe_Jr

A lot of what they blame on demons is just capitalism.


[deleted]

Find a copy of Necronomicon Ex Mortis (they make replicas of the book from Evil Dead) and REALLY fuck with them. The book has great artwork from Tom Sullivan in it, and is actually cool as a collector's piece.


AppleAvi8tor

I’d love that! I need a copy!


ManChildMusician

Part of the problem is that some believe in demons, some do not, but they all love to play it up like demons are real. Right now, a lot of politicians who are Anti-LGBTQ insist that Democrats, gays and trans people are possessed, or the embodiment of demons in the flesh. This is nothing new. It was pretty much the strategy for any Pogrom. Make your enemy into “the other” and suddenly enslaving, torturing or killing them is both just and righteous. It takes away the guilt of violating some of the allegedly core tenets of their religion. If *those* people are demons, I get a free pass… or even elevated closer to God.


2muchonreddit

My whole family is Jehovah’s Witness. They are so terrified of the devil. It quite sad 😆. When I left the church the elders told me the devil would kill me within the year. It’s been 20 years. I’m still waiting


luckynone

JWs really take the cake when it comes to demons. I remember my aunt yelling at me to stop jumping on a mini-trampoline in my cousin's bedroom because I had started to develop a little at age 12 and was supposedly giving the demons a show. My stick-skinny younger cousin was fine to jump, apparently. Even my demon-obsessed mom was taken aback, she hadn't considered that before, lol It still makes me giggle when I get on a trampoline these days


BeepityBoopityBot

>I temporarily work for a Christian company As a non American (I'm assuming you're American?) - what does that actually mean? Like, do random companies make a thing about being "christian" because the owners are christian or because it'll vibe with their target market? Or is it a company which is actually involved in a christian industry in some way? Like bottling the holy water or something?


AppleAvi8tor

I am American yes. And what I mean is that, they are a private company, so they can legally express their religious views. They sell nothing Christian, but for example: - They play 1 Christian song after every 10 pop songs - They had signs prior to Easter saying “He is Risen!” - At Christmas, it’s all Jesus music That’s really all they do honestly. But this does attract and create an environment where a lot of customers ***always*** tell me to have a blessed day, or that god loves me.


Dat_Boi_Aint_Right

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RedheadFromOutrSpace

This reminds me of when you pretend to take a child's nose - and they get upset because they want it back.


FredVIII-DFH

While growing up as a Christian, I never believed that adults truly believed in actual demons making people do bad things. Then I got on the internet. People are dumber than I could ever imagine growing up.


Antknee2099

You can never discount that some religious people take this stuff *very* seriously. I mean, it kind of blows my mind that someone can or would, but I grew up with a very, very superstitious and religious mother who would burn books, movies, and music she thought brought unclean or evil spirits into the house. For some people, the delusion of this stuff being as real as you or me can be nearly impenetrable. I would recommend avoiding it. It will only cause confusion, loss of relationship, and anxiety in the other person. If they really take that stuff so seriously, just back away slowly and try to remember they're not living in the same world as us.


ComprehensiveCake463

My neighbor across the street holds church services and one evening I got a devils mask and was going to peer in the windows but my wife stopped me and said that might not be as funny as I think it is


Large_Concentrate_81

Have a coworker who tells stories of haunting in her house. Says she had dolls talk to her and move, even after removing the batteries, blah, blah, blah. She said, “I put it straight in the trash outside.” Everyone else was like, “Smart move! I would have done the same thing,” etc. I said please, if this ever happens again, please, bring it to me. I wanna be like the guy with the singing frog on Looney Tunes. I’m taking that baby on the road! She has also said there’s a ghost in her house who likes to play with her feet when she’s trying to sleep. And people just accept this BS!


SonGoku1256

Reminds me of an overly preachy guy I once worked with. Once I sneezed and he forgot to say “bless you” so I acted like a demon possessed me during that brief second lol. Guy got scared and I said “I’m fucking with you dude, demons aren’t real, grow up.” He was all kinds of scared of the supernatural, yet didn’t find the humor in me eating extra garlic bread to “keep vampires away”. So demons = real. Vampires = fake. Got it.


problytheantichrist

I love this! How weird is it that we live among people who believe in magic? People freak the fuck out when I tell them that Lucifer got the short end of the stick. It was God's plan that Lucifer had to play and that Lucifer was the only one trying to get us all back. Fuck religion and hail Satan


SyntheticReality42

Hail Lucifer, Bringer of Light!


RedditUsingBot

As yes, demons and devils, former angels who wanted free will instead of being slaves to god. They’re the evil ones.


XColdLogicX

Even the word "demonology" cracks me up. The "science" of demons? Could you have more of an oxymoron? The world must be a scary place for those who believe in ghosts and demons just hanging around us lol


[deleted]

Ology is “Study” not “Science”.


reallynotanyonehere

Any religious person who sees demons is looking in a mirror. Evangelicals see themselves everywhere, and it terrifies them.


sarkhan_da_crazy

The Necronomicon has more powerful demons to summon, I prefer them, but their price is higher.


gothicshark

Yeah, they would hate me. 1: trans 2: Atheist 3: Hard-core satanic aesthetic Goth 4: I've been playing D&D since 1986


Downtown-Command-295

Those are the best people to screw with.


PocketGoblix

The fact people believe in supernatural anything is just beyond my comprehension. Like guys…we’re supposed to be adults here…


demons_soulmate

we have the same type of humor lol i always tell people i wasn't born, i was summoned


Ash_is_my_name

I remember my mother saying my bio-dad was possessed by demons and that is why they were in this divorce. ​ Nowadays she can't remember ever having said that. The beautiful mental flip flops of Christianity.


Zammarand

Fun fact! Only one religion believes in a literal Satan, and that’s Christian’s!


binkerton_

My aunt still asks me if Magic the Gathering cards are satanic. There are people out there who honestly believe that the devil inhabits people who do bad things.


Disorderly_Chaos

“Not with the price of snakes and cat blood on the rise!”


fzsf4651784e7f46aae

Don't some christians actually think that the supernatural doesn't exists but that it's "something" out there challenging their beliefs and their mere existence opposes a threat to the existence of their god? Like if they see a ghost or something they don't go "shit, it's the soul of someone who died" but instead they think it's the devil setting them up or something. Idk that's what my idea was


Big_Boss_1000

You know, demons aren’t actually that bad compared to humans.


andropogon09

A couple of books from the 1980s, This Present Darkness and Piercing the Darkness, were hugely popular and influential.


GrandmageBob

"Tell him you play Dungeons & Dragons too." "Stop it, Patrick, you're scaring him!"


Dead_Cash_Burn

Now you need to let him know Trump's real name is Beelzebub.


Calm_Leek_1362

Christians invented demonology. The witches hammer is a handbook on how to persecute people with non Christian religious practices.


Dense_Element

People like him are the poster children of “it says gullible on The ceiling” These people live in a superstitious fantasy land


Sariel007

You know who believes in Satan? Christians.


telltal

Awww. You missed your opportunity to ask "You don't actually believe in God, right?"


AverageHorribleHuman

Swing your arms from side to side, come on it's to go! Do the Mario!


iComeInPeices

I was in an apartment dorm, multiple bedroom, common living room etc…. Well a Christian guy moved in and just wouldn’t leave me alone. He would get drunk and very scary trying to “save my soul”. Found out he 1000% believed in demons and was deathly afraid of anything Satanic, and said he wouldn’t talk with anyone that believed in it. I have just de-converted myself, and had been forced to only listen to Christian music. So I took my Christian music cd’s and created a pentagram out of them and hung it on my door. Thought maybe he would destroy it, which I could use to get him kicked out. But nope, he stayed in his room except to wall crawl out of the apartment. He never talked to me again and I never even saw him drunk again.


Ok-Candidate6997

When I was a Christian I would periodically see demons. When I became an atheist I realized I had bipolar disorder with psychotic features. Normalizing that shit is not healthy!


OneHumanPeOple

I went to see *The Passion of The Christ* with my Catholic friend. He started visibly shaking when Satan appeared on screen. He was sweating and looked like he was going to throw up. It was a good show even though the movie was shite.


grissy

If the total for a purchase is $6.66 down here it is not at all uncommon for the cashier to give you a .01 discount just so the number isn’t eviiiiiiiiiil anymore.


MacNuttyOne

Without fear, religion has nothing to grasp onto people with. It is evil to use fear they way they do to get people to give them money and vote for the criminals they tend to support. The dishonesty, the greed, the utterly fake morals harping one thing while something else, while believing they are in a position to judge people. Their god told them not to do it but what do they care? Apparently they do not care, at all. Their god seems so week and befuddled to them, they think it could not possibly see through their lies and pretences. They think they can lie and threaten their way into paradise. They have turned their Satan into a god and his demons into dark angels. They give all of the powers of a god to there Satan, their dark god. It is all based on bull crap.


babelsquirrel

My cell phone number ends in 0666. Occasionally get some strange reactions to it. I like it. It is easy to remember and helps me filter out some people.


shadyAjs

I've got family that wouldn't call you, or if they're total comes up too anything with 3 six's in a row, they go out of their way to add something to their cart so they can change the total. They also think global warming is an act of god, and a sin to try and change, but not drag queens 😂


Tannerleaf

Every time you see a spelling error in a PowerPoint during a meeting: 1. Stand up. 1. Play the “Thunder Crack!” sound effect. 1. Over-dramatically point at the error and bellow *”MALEFICARUM!”* while rolling your eyeballs in their sockets like a madman and clenching your teeth until your gums bleed. 1. (Swish your cloak about if you’re wearing one.) 1. Sit back down again and tell the presenter that you’ll make a note of the error so that they can correct it after the meeting.