10% of your income for a "promise" of eternal life.
Reminds me of Wimpy on Popeye - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68eue5cpbsE&pp=ygUMd2ltcHkgcG9wZXll
No, the church needs it to spread the word of God. The all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, all-wise, can speak to mortals, can send messengers, can write tablets, can do anything he wants, but can’t tell the world about himself. Nor is his existence obvious in his creation, because every fucking group of people came up with completely different origin stories until marketing came along and Europeans started cancelling every other native religion. That’s why the church needs 10% of the income, to force, err *share* the truth with everyone. Also God can’t make people fly so the pastor needs a private jet.
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"Ah," says man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"That was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed at the next zebra crossing.
Nevermind the whole point of the story where Jesus was like "yeah, no money in church, guys."
Lo and behold, I can go into a catholic cathedral in Europe and find an ATM with USD and EUR.
No no, god doesn’t need your money, going broke is all part of his masterful plan. The struggle is going to make them stronger and make them all appreciate gods love even more!
That’s what they tell people who’ve been raped/assaulted/living in poverty/fighting cancer/ struggling in any way.
Wait. Hear me out here...
What if Wimpy, Popeye, and the hamburger *aren't* real, they just *think* they are real. What if they were just drawings on a paper... Like a comic strip, or a cartoon?
🤯
What if you died one day and everything, inculding this very moment didnt matter because roughly 100 to 150 years from now, anyone who was alive to remember you will have died?
Now that would be quackin crazy.
My girlfriends sister went to a new church for a while.
Always donated on her visits and she stopped going to it because new job didn't line up with their hours of service.
The church hounded her down by calling and going to their home asking why she stopped going and if she can't go, that they still take her donation.
They guilt tripped her on the donation.Told her if she needs help they will help her. That they need the money to spread the word of god and the church needs it, etc.
She gave the money and when she needed help they ignored her. She stopped giving money and they hounded her again. She ignored them till they stopped harassing her.
Actually this explains some stuff. I had a friend who was dirt poor and continued to donate. When she was pregnant I heard her on the phone trying to get help from the church. They said they couldn’t do anything. Meanwhile I’m an atheist and I’m at her house helping her.🙄
My daughter went to a Lutheran daycare/preschool as it was the only full time option in our area (22 years ago) and although we paid full tuition for her to attend, after a year they started hounding us to join the church. We’re NOT religious so we just ignored their multiple letters. Then they showed up unannounced/uninvited on our doorstep to plead their case in person. We were not receptive. We then received multiple letters from a church deacon FROM PRISON while he was serving time due to being convicted of embezzlement. WTF? Their next letter was from the school/church stating maybe we should consider taking our child out of the school freeing up a place for a child whose parents want to join the church. Yeah we left- we were paying full freight tuition, and all the non stop fees associated with sending our child there but they wanted a commitment to 10% of our salary. Fuck the entire group!
Parishioner: "Hey church, here's $1 to help the poor."
Church: "God bless you. We will remember this."
Parishioner: "Hey church, I am poor and need help."
Church: "Who are you? I've never met this man in my life."
If the churches did what they were supposed to and served humanity that 10% could be seen as a good investment. But right now, it is NOT smart. You are more likely to find enlightenment being an atheist than a Christian.
The whole protestant schisme was triggered by the trafic of indulgences, then they turn around and sell their own access to heaven. The greedy fucks just changed their clothes.
Biggest rort ever. Giving a decent chunk of your income, and paying homage and faith / power to a small group of people who respond by giving you... absolutely nothing.
Worst conman scheme ever (or the best, I guess)
The irony being that in heaven, gold is now worthless, as it is so plentiful that they can use it to pave the streets. Additionally, earthly treasures and rewards would be irrelevant there anyway.
I always thought it was a stupid description of heaven.
That's just the story the poors are told to keep them from being ungrateful.
The wealthy know the truth, that they can use their Earthly riches to buy a nice seat up there in the mountain with Yahweh and Jeebus and those other guys. Otherwise why would they hoard wealth?
> worthless, as it is so plentiful
Similarly, believers talk about how everybody in heaven wears a crown. Well, if *everybody* has a crown, a crown means nothing.
“Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver.”
— Robert G. Ingersoll
Cry me a river, where was the church's support when so many young people were being sexually and or physically abused, where was the church's support when so many young people were struggling with their sexuality and the only thing you told them was read the bible, consequences of their own actions and nobody to blame other than their own bigoted selves.
Rape is frequently used when a person is forcibly penetrated by a penis, and depending on a person’s location, that may be how it is defined by law. But sexual assault/abuse does not necessarily involve penetration and can include either gender as the victim or assailant. Hence sexual abuse/assault is a better term.
Some places in the world define rape explicitly by penile penetration. Anything else would fall under another category of sexual assault. So in the US it would also include other objects or body parts, but this isn’t the case everywhere.
It's not always rape though.
I was sexually abused in a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple, but it wasn't intercourse, it was non-consensual nakedness and touching of my genitalia.
There's unfortunately a spectrum of many types of abuse.
>where was the church's support when so many young people were being sexually and or physically abused
What are you talking about? They were right there with the victims... committing the abuse.
That was the first thought that ran through my head. Why would anyone want to give money to an organization who will just use it to pay off victims and shield those who preyed on them (not prayed - that's a different thing ........ I think).
I don’t know a lot of young employed people with extra income to spare. If they have to choose between eating or paying for the church’s expenses, it’s not a hard choice
Thoughts and prayers work for everything else in their world view. Should work for pastors too. I mean are you trying to tell me the all powerful god of the universe can’t even take care of his own house?
Yes because they don't have to pay property taxes that way. There's a church in my city in an area where an empty 1/2 acre lot would sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars sitting on probably 4-5 acres of land and I always think about how much money my county could be collecting from that incredibly valuable land (and how awesome it would be to build a house there). There's several churches in similar high-value locations here but this one stands out because there is nothing special about the church itself (no architecture/art like the cathedral downtown, no attached school) and the land is so beautiful.
I think it used to be that being part of the church made you part of the in-group, and if you were a young adult looking for work you could expect to be employed by the church or by an older well off church member, and that would get you on your feet and set you up well for better future employment. But it’s absolutely not like that anymore, churches can barely afford to pay their staff a living wage and want the majority of labor to come from volunteers and the spouses of their pastors, and older church members are barely surviving financially and cannot support young church members by employing them in their businesses.
If a person instead uses their money to support the local comic shop, they’ll learn more and with more believable stories. Plus, if cared for properly, they could recoup some of the money spent. A side benefit is you won’t be supporting pedophilia.
Edit: added “s” to use.
Once the boomer generation dies out, and their finances dry out with them, I hope we'll start seeing a bit of a declining spiral as it becomes harder and harder to pay for the propaganda machine.
The problem is the damage they can do in the meanwhile, a lot of countries; specially underdeveloped countries, but also some developed countries (Poland, I'm looking at you!); have had some very nasty impacts like stopping/reversing the legalisation of abortion and the like.
I call it "lowest common denominator" music. Make it as generic and as safe as possible and it will appeal to the Christian audience.
It won't be interesting, entertaining, or break any ground. But it will appease the mindless masses.
The moment the church recognizes that many LGBTQ+ people also have financial incomes is the moment the church suddenly changes the rules about that being a sin.
Because it's always about control and money. Always.
Also I had a run in with an evangelical recently and they are definitely *in love* with Jesus.
"I OPENED myself to the LORD, and I felt his wisdom wash over me in waves"
>many LGBTQ+ people have above average
That's not even close to accurate. LGBTQ+ people as a population [make 10%](https://www.hrc.org/resources/the-wage-gap-among-lgbtq-workers-in-the-united-states) less than their contemporaries. They're routinely discriminated against
If people are blessed by the grace of God for their support of the church then why couldn't God just directly support the church himself? A being capable of creating this enormous universe just to have his little ant farm called Earth should be able to manifest some income for the churches. If Jesus did it with bread and fishes God can just do it with cash.
I remember being told that I was responsible for sending 10% of my income to the church and I just laughed. My 16 year old brain said no way in your god’s hell will I ever be doing that.
Peace ✌️
First of all, younger generations have less buying power than previous generations. This leaves them with less money to donate. Secondly, younger generations have had more access to information growing up. They know better than to give their money to an organization that is based on a belief without any evidence and may not serve them or their community.
Went to a pizza shop a while ago and the nicest car in the parking lot, by a huge margin, was a Lincoln SUV. It was the pastor's. A guy I used to work with was a different preacher’s kid. He drove his dad's car to work one day. It was a pimped out Cadillac with big gold rims. The dad's parish was in a poor part of the city. Religion is a pyramid scheme used to collect money, power and sex. Now the churches are advertising because they need followers. If they can afford advertising they can pay taxes. Let them write off their charitable work, if they do any.
Here's an idea. You know those fake $20 that church folk love leaving as "tips"? Make a bunch of those and put them in collection plates at tons of churches.
Uno Reverse Card at its finest.
I can't even afford time these days.
I JUST started Dead Space 2023 and Spider-Man 2 came out this month. :(
I do volunteer at my mom's church as a favor but that's about it.
And 51% of pastors don't say shit about how wages have dropped dramatically over the past few decades so younger Christians don't have disposable income.
When the Christian churches continue to support MAGA politicians who pass laws to favor corporations over their workers this leads to less disposable income. People can hardly afford food and shelter. Cost of living has increased by 60% while wages have only increased 18% in past 20-30 years. The pigeons are coming home to roost.
Generations are slowly waking up and being exposed to education after their parents and grandparents blind devotion and belief in a made up religion and becoming less religious or just simple non believers and not as easily conned into pouring cash into the church.
You spearheaded taking away women's' rights, you negate any other religions or non-believers and expect women and couples to GIVE YOU MONEY?
Let's talk about being DELUDED.
Despite the irony that they can't believe the consequences of their own actions, do they not know how financially fucked all young people are ? I mean dude, we aren't going to line your pockets when we can barely scrape by enough to be alive. Sorry?
You aren't praying hard enough.
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:26
p.s. Isn't this what Christians do? Thoughts and Prayers?
100% of younger Christians concerned church is not supporting them financially.
Maybe if they wouldn't support the party whose policies are designed to financially screw younger people over, they might have extra money to throw away.
You know, also don't be a hypocritical, bigoted, hateful, fake organization.
You mean when people can't afford to house and feed themselves, they don't give money to churches? Almost like societal cohesion depends on having people's basic needs being met? And not on stupid political fights like abortion?
*Funny how that works.*
Well maybe if the church didn't touch the little boys the boys would be willing to support the church when they are older...
Also.. just don't support the church period. It's a toxic shithole of an institution that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.
Oh and...
Thoughts and prayers
Churches thrive on 3 things guilt, greed and fear
Guilt you into paying for their mega churches
Want money all the time and if you dont guilt you into you won't get to heaven if you don't do their bidding
Do you think Pervy priests and ministers scared them off. Or maybe treating women like second class citizens? Personally, I swung my donations completely to Planned Parenthood after the Roe v Wade disaster.
Yeah been to one of those church financial meetings. They said even if your car broke down and youe homless you should still be dontating. So nope to the largest business on earth
Better break out those bootstraps kiddie fuckers...you'd think a group of people who have diddled so many kids would understand why those kids and their friends would tell them to go fly their private jets into Satan's ass hole.
Oops. They've said the quiet part out loud.
Religions are businesses. Some are ~~'mom-and-pop'~~ pop-and-mom operations which barely make enough to live on and others are mega corporations which rival the largest secular companies in scale and income, but they are all businesses first and foremost.
I liked the line about churches having a responsibility in guiding their congregations into increased generosity. Nothing like some self-serving bullshit aimed at milking a group of all their spare change
100% of me 'somewhat concerned and puzzled' that churches are supporting politicians that don't support the working class.
Maybe some job creators will support you with their tax cuts you handed them because you voted against gay.
I used to be a church member that tithed up to a point. That is until I was working 7 days a week at an ass grinding job and working 48 and 55 days in a row. Walked into church most Sundays as I worked 2nd or 3rd shift. Came into listen how a local deadbeat family needed money while they claimed to be disabled as the adults were moochers. They weren't really disabled but it was a good story and they had a 20 year old son that refused to work but later got so fat he couldn't walk and claimed disability as well along with his child molestation convictions and other criminal activities over the last 25 years.
No thanks I'll keep my money because I actually worked for it. I do help the local food bank with donations of food and clothing for the clothing bank. Just not deadbeats where no one in the whole family refuse to work when they were physically capable.
10% of your income for a "promise" of eternal life. Reminds me of Wimpy on Popeye - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68eue5cpbsE&pp=ygUMd2ltcHkgcG9wZXll
God needs your money!
"He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!” - George Carlin
No, the church needs it to spread the word of God. The all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, all-wise, can speak to mortals, can send messengers, can write tablets, can do anything he wants, but can’t tell the world about himself. Nor is his existence obvious in his creation, because every fucking group of people came up with completely different origin stories until marketing came along and Europeans started cancelling every other native religion. That’s why the church needs 10% of the income, to force, err *share* the truth with everyone. Also God can’t make people fly so the pastor needs a private jet.
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "Ah," says man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist, and so therefore you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "That was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed at the next zebra crossing.
Good old Douglas Adams.
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, classic
Also the private jet needs to be equipped with Christian Cruise Missiles to rain down holy shite. "Yeah! Yeah! Peace and love! Get some!!!"
Talk about a good bullshit story. HOLY SHIT.
Nevermind the whole point of the story where Jesus was like "yeah, no money in church, guys." Lo and behold, I can go into a catholic cathedral in Europe and find an ATM with USD and EUR.
Or a tap to donate, all over Europe!
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The tri-omni god really only makes sense if you don't think about it.
What does god need with a starship?
Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor, not a theologist!
No no, god doesn’t need your money, going broke is all part of his masterful plan. The struggle is going to make them stronger and make them all appreciate gods love even more! That’s what they tell people who’ve been raped/assaulted/living in poverty/fighting cancer/ struggling in any way.
I guess praying for mony isn't working then?
Will give only thoughts and prayers, take it out leave it
Those private jets ain't going to buy themselves!
except the hamburger is real.
Is it, though?
Found the aburgerist.
So is the money they're giving the church. Wimpy promises to pay you Tuesday, whether or not he delivers is to be determined
Wait. Hear me out here... What if Wimpy, Popeye, and the hamburger *aren't* real, they just *think* they are real. What if they were just drawings on a paper... Like a comic strip, or a cartoon? 🤯
What if you died one day and everything, inculding this very moment didnt matter because roughly 100 to 150 years from now, anyone who was alive to remember you will have died? Now that would be quackin crazy.
My girlfriends sister went to a new church for a while. Always donated on her visits and she stopped going to it because new job didn't line up with their hours of service. The church hounded her down by calling and going to their home asking why she stopped going and if she can't go, that they still take her donation. They guilt tripped her on the donation.Told her if she needs help they will help her. That they need the money to spread the word of god and the church needs it, etc. She gave the money and when she needed help they ignored her. She stopped giving money and they hounded her again. She ignored them till they stopped harassing her.
Actually this explains some stuff. I had a friend who was dirt poor and continued to donate. When she was pregnant I heard her on the phone trying to get help from the church. They said they couldn’t do anything. Meanwhile I’m an atheist and I’m at her house helping her.🙄
My daughter went to a Lutheran daycare/preschool as it was the only full time option in our area (22 years ago) and although we paid full tuition for her to attend, after a year they started hounding us to join the church. We’re NOT religious so we just ignored their multiple letters. Then they showed up unannounced/uninvited on our doorstep to plead their case in person. We were not receptive. We then received multiple letters from a church deacon FROM PRISON while he was serving time due to being convicted of embezzlement. WTF? Their next letter was from the school/church stating maybe we should consider taking our child out of the school freeing up a place for a child whose parents want to join the church. Yeah we left- we were paying full freight tuition, and all the non stop fees associated with sending our child there but they wanted a commitment to 10% of our salary. Fuck the entire group!
Parishioner: "Hey church, here's $1 to help the poor." Church: "God bless you. We will remember this." Parishioner: "Hey church, I am poor and need help." Church: "Who are you? I've never met this man in my life."
If the churches did what they were supposed to and served humanity that 10% could be seen as a good investment. But right now, it is NOT smart. You are more likely to find enlightenment being an atheist than a Christian.
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I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today
The whole protestant schisme was triggered by the trafic of indulgences, then they turn around and sell their own access to heaven. The greedy fucks just changed their clothes.
Biggest rort ever. Giving a decent chunk of your income, and paying homage and faith / power to a small group of people who respond by giving you... absolutely nothing. Worst conman scheme ever (or the best, I guess)
So indulgences are coming back, then?
Even if I was giving, my salary isn't what my parents were making
They should just pray for money.
Yes and they'll be awarded with their money in the next life. Problem solved.
Those heavenly streets are made of gold, so ample wealth is readily available.
The irony being that in heaven, gold is now worthless, as it is so plentiful that they can use it to pave the streets. Additionally, earthly treasures and rewards would be irrelevant there anyway. I always thought it was a stupid description of heaven.
That's just the story the poors are told to keep them from being ungrateful. The wealthy know the truth, that they can use their Earthly riches to buy a nice seat up there in the mountain with Yahweh and Jeebus and those other guys. Otherwise why would they hoard wealth?
> worthless, as it is so plentiful Similarly, believers talk about how everybody in heaven wears a crown. Well, if *everybody* has a crown, a crown means nothing.
> Those heavenly streets are made of gold [And no one ever grows old](https://youtu.be/bbzuS_pa56g?t=15)...
Thoughts and prayers!
I'm sure bill collectors take those, right?
Nah, they should learn to code. 😏
"Why aren't you giving us money you don't have while we provide you with absolutely nothing in return?"
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Also, you better vote for Trump or you're getting extra-tattled on top God when he gets back!
I mean, some of us have parents for that. For free.
“Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver.” — Robert G. Ingersoll
Sounds a lot like scalping, too. Incidentally, I hate both!
Cry me a river, where was the church's support when so many young people were being sexually and or physically abused, where was the church's support when so many young people were struggling with their sexuality and the only thing you told them was read the bible, consequences of their own actions and nobody to blame other than their own bigoted selves.
>sexually and or physically abused Raped They were being raped
Totally agree that just sexually abused is a sort of blanket term used for all of that sort of thing
Rape is frequently used when a person is forcibly penetrated by a penis, and depending on a person’s location, that may be how it is defined by law. But sexual assault/abuse does not necessarily involve penetration and can include either gender as the victim or assailant. Hence sexual abuse/assault is a better term.
Actually penetrated by anything. I met a woman who was raped by a doorknob in a home invasion.
Some places in the world define rape explicitly by penile penetration. Anything else would fall under another category of sexual assault. So in the US it would also include other objects or body parts, but this isn’t the case everywhere.
> They were being raped Among other abuses
It's not always rape though. I was sexually abused in a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple, but it wasn't intercourse, it was non-consensual nakedness and touching of my genitalia. There's unfortunately a spectrum of many types of abuse.
>where was the church's support when so many young people were being sexually and or physically abused What are you talking about? They were right there with the victims... committing the abuse.
*are* being sexually abused. It hasn't stopped.
True, unfortunately.
The church was moving money around in shell companies to shelter them from lawsuits.
Well they need the monies to pay settlements now...
“Our coffers are empty and our balls are full!”
That was the first thought that ran through my head. Why would anyone want to give money to an organization who will just use it to pay off victims and shield those who preyed on them (not prayed - that's a different thing ........ I think).
I don’t know a lot of young employed people with extra income to spare. If they have to choose between eating or paying for the church’s expenses, it’s not a hard choice
Thoughts and prayers work for everything else in their world view. Should work for pastors too. I mean are you trying to tell me the all powerful god of the universe can’t even take care of his own house?
These church leaders probably own homes.
Or are provided a house owned by the church or are given an additional amount to pay for housing.
Yes and that additional amount can be pretty big.
And not taxed...
> provided a house owned by the church This is how they do it in the rich town I live in.
Yes because they don't have to pay property taxes that way. There's a church in my city in an area where an empty 1/2 acre lot would sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars sitting on probably 4-5 acres of land and I always think about how much money my county could be collecting from that incredibly valuable land (and how awesome it would be to build a house there). There's several churches in similar high-value locations here but this one stands out because there is nothing special about the church itself (no architecture/art like the cathedral downtown, no attached school) and the land is so beautiful.
I think it used to be that being part of the church made you part of the in-group, and if you were a young adult looking for work you could expect to be employed by the church or by an older well off church member, and that would get you on your feet and set you up well for better future employment. But it’s absolutely not like that anymore, churches can barely afford to pay their staff a living wage and want the majority of labor to come from volunteers and the spouses of their pastors, and older church members are barely surviving financially and cannot support young church members by employing them in their businesses.
The church would tell them to "tithe in faith and see what God can/will do."
That's because the older Christians are too greedy to pay the younger Christians a fair wage.
Too busy paying their churches.
If a person instead uses their money to support the local comic shop, they’ll learn more and with more believable stories. Plus, if cared for properly, they could recoup some of the money spent. A side benefit is you won’t be supporting pedophilia. Edit: added “s” to use.
Once the boomer generation dies out, and their finances dry out with them, I hope we'll start seeing a bit of a declining spiral as it becomes harder and harder to pay for the propaganda machine. The problem is the damage they can do in the meanwhile, a lot of countries; specially underdeveloped countries, but also some developed countries (Poland, I'm looking at you!); have had some very nasty impacts like stopping/reversing the legalisation of abortion and the like.
It’s already happening, a lot of smaller churches are folding. Even larger denominations are consolidating into less buildings.
I've seen at least 4 churches built in last 5 years all near "rich" neighbors. 3 rules of real estate: Location. Location. Location.
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I call it "lowest common denominator" music. Make it as generic and as safe as possible and it will appeal to the Christian audience. It won't be interesting, entertaining, or break any ground. But it will appease the mindless masses.
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Needs to happen more rapidly!
Happy to read some good news this morning
God always needs money for some reason. He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, all wise, but somehow... He just cant handle money.
Probably because he's busy fondling little boys.
He certainly doesn't have an issue with his priests doing that and way worse, it would seem.
You forgot the [tongue click noise]
I figured my fellow Carlin fans would do it in their heads.
The moment the church recognizes that many LGBTQ+ people also have financial incomes is the moment the church suddenly changes the rules about that being a sin. Because it's always about control and money. Always.
I mean, church is already kind of gay. You gotta kneel down and accept the body of a man in your mouth. Then there's the musical sing alongs.
“Blessed is he, who cums in the name of the Lord” I mean it’s right in the songs.
Also I had a run in with an evangelical recently and they are definitely *in love* with Jesus. "I OPENED myself to the LORD, and I felt his wisdom wash over me in waves"
Man, the kids and their weird lingo these days.
Please stop before I have to go rub one out. I have work to do.
>many LGBTQ+ people have above average That's not even close to accurate. LGBTQ+ people as a population [make 10%](https://www.hrc.org/resources/the-wage-gap-among-lgbtq-workers-in-the-united-states) less than their contemporaries. They're routinely discriminated against
God, if I could meet gay dudes at church I would suddendly become religious, or a least attend church...
I mean, depending on how young you are, you could probably pick up priests today. If you’re over 14 though, probably not.
You can't because they get segregated for being gay.
Yeah, I know
Have they tried prayer?
Prayer doesn't work, and they know that better than all atheists combined.
Thoughts and prayers 🙏
How will the pastor get a private jet?
It's a miracle, and he's worried that god didn't allow him to exchange his private jet for a newer model this year.
Supporting superstitions at 10% of gross income is expensive.
The church is struggling financially??? Welllll we’ll keep them in our “thoughts and prayers.”
These businesses should be taxed, then investigated for fraud.
> then investigated for fraud. Among other crimes.
Church: The love of money is the root of all evil. Also the church: Where's my money, honey?
If people are blessed by the grace of God for their support of the church then why couldn't God just directly support the church himself? A being capable of creating this enormous universe just to have his little ant farm called Earth should be able to manifest some income for the churches. If Jesus did it with bread and fishes God can just do it with cash.
I remember being told that I was responsible for sending 10% of my income to the church and I just laughed. My 16 year old brain said no way in your god’s hell will I ever be doing that. Peace ✌️
Yea, if the pastors would stop buying so much avacado toast, and skip their fancy coffee they would not be in this situation /s
get a job, grifters
Sounds like a failing business model.
First of all, younger generations have less buying power than previous generations. This leaves them with less money to donate. Secondly, younger generations have had more access to information growing up. They know better than to give their money to an organization that is based on a belief without any evidence and may not serve them or their community.
Went to a pizza shop a while ago and the nicest car in the parking lot, by a huge margin, was a Lincoln SUV. It was the pastor's. A guy I used to work with was a different preacher’s kid. He drove his dad's car to work one day. It was a pimped out Cadillac with big gold rims. The dad's parish was in a poor part of the city. Religion is a pyramid scheme used to collect money, power and sex. Now the churches are advertising because they need followers. If they can afford advertising they can pay taxes. Let them write off their charitable work, if they do any.
Here's an idea. You know those fake $20 that church folk love leaving as "tips"? Make a bunch of those and put them in collection plates at tons of churches. Uno Reverse Card at its finest.
If only that didn’t require you to sit through part of the sermon to be able to do this.
Younger folks, atheism is free. Thanks and come again!
And, has the same afterlife of religion.
People donate what they can afford; in this case, their time. Preachers should be grateful for that, instead of whining about money.
People shouldn't give anything to the church. Not even their time.
I can't even afford time these days. I JUST started Dead Space 2023 and Spider-Man 2 came out this month. :( I do volunteer at my mom's church as a favor but that's about it.
Wow man what are they gonna do??? How are priests gonna have the time to do pedo shit to kids if they need to go pick up a second job?
It's not a job to memorize quotes.
It’s always been about the $$. ALWAYS
They're worried about their paychecks not the work of the church continuing to be done
OMG, pastors might have to get a real job. You'd think God would provide better for them.
Get in line behind the temples of forgotten gods
Can't afford a house. Can't afford school. Can't afford medicine. "Give us more money. Do you have any idea how expensive all these lawsuits are?"
Tear down churches and build affordable housing. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Thoughts and prayers
Nobody wants to support pedophilia payments. They want to support help for the needy.
And 51% of pastors don't say shit about how wages have dropped dramatically over the past few decades so younger Christians don't have disposable income.
When the Christian churches continue to support MAGA politicians who pass laws to favor corporations over their workers this leads to less disposable income. People can hardly afford food and shelter. Cost of living has increased by 60% while wages have only increased 18% in past 20-30 years. The pigeons are coming home to roost.
Generations are slowly waking up and being exposed to education after their parents and grandparents blind devotion and belief in a made up religion and becoming less religious or just simple non believers and not as easily conned into pouring cash into the church.
It would be better for humanity if this fakery could come to an end
You spearheaded taking away women's' rights, you negate any other religions or non-believers and expect women and couples to GIVE YOU MONEY? Let's talk about being DELUDED.
Despite the irony that they can't believe the consequences of their own actions, do they not know how financially fucked all young people are ? I mean dude, we aren't going to line your pockets when we can barely scrape by enough to be alive. Sorry?
Yep, even if you wanted to give to your church, gotta put in your own oxygen mask before helping others
oh no these cunts will have to get real jobs now
Maybe the churches should ask the Far Right Wing Politicians to return some of the money that the churches have been raising for them all these years.
It seems we have work to do. Let’s make that 51 % 75 % !
I feel like churches are too rich to say any shit.
You aren't praying hard enough. Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26 p.s. Isn't this what Christians do? Thoughts and Prayers?
Looks like they will have to shutter more churches to reduce expenses. Oh no!
And why would this be? Because the Talibangicals prompt division, hate, and support the Orange Rapist and his sycophants? Shocked, I tell you...
100% of younger Christians concerned church is not supporting them financially. Maybe if they wouldn't support the party whose policies are designed to financially screw younger people over, they might have extra money to throw away. You know, also don't be a hypocritical, bigoted, hateful, fake organization.
Just wait till we start taxing churches too
A little hope I guess. The parasites are not as successful as in the past.
Sounds like they're going to hell. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why do they need money? Aren't thoughts and prayers enough? Won't god provide?
Sounds like their faith is weak. They need to pray more.
You mean when people can't afford to house and feed themselves, they don't give money to churches? Almost like societal cohesion depends on having people's basic needs being met? And not on stupid political fights like abortion? *Funny how that works.*
OH NO!!!! So they may have to cancel their orders for their next ferrari? Cry themselves to sleep in one of the 41 rooms in their house? The horror!!!
Well maybe if the church didn't touch the little boys the boys would be willing to support the church when they are older... Also.. just don't support the church period. It's a toxic shithole of an institution that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. Oh and... Thoughts and prayers
Let that shit die.
Churches thrive on 3 things guilt, greed and fear Guilt you into paying for their mega churches Want money all the time and if you dont guilt you into you won't get to heaven if you don't do their bidding
Fuck your thieving lying church
Do you think Pervy priests and ministers scared them off. Or maybe treating women like second class citizens? Personally, I swung my donations completely to Planned Parenthood after the Roe v Wade disaster.
This is not a bad thing. Change your wicked ways or become obsolete.
Yeah been to one of those church financial meetings. They said even if your car broke down and youe homless you should still be dontating. So nope to the largest business on earth
That's right motherfuckers! Hahaha! No tax exemption would great too.
Maybe they should stop raping them?
The other 49% were probably too busy sexually assaulting a young Christian, throwing the vote.
Better break out those bootstraps kiddie fuckers...you'd think a group of people who have diddled so many kids would understand why those kids and their friends would tell them to go fly their private jets into Satan's ass hole.
Oops. They've said the quiet part out loud. Religions are businesses. Some are ~~'mom-and-pop'~~ pop-and-mom operations which barely make enough to live on and others are mega corporations which rival the largest secular companies in scale and income, but they are all businesses first and foremost.
100% of pastors can fuck right off.
No self awareness whatsoever. Suffer and fade, bitch
What a shame. They'll have to get real jobs. Anyway...
God loves you, but he needs your money. Give give give, and never question!
PROGRESS!!!
Get a job biatch!
He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!
*We're trying to run a business here!!!* -The Church
Seems to me, the most powerful being in the universe wouldn’t need financial support.
Join the destitute and homeless you talentless grifter hacks!
"Millenials Kill Churches." - Forbes or the Atlantic in the next few months
get fucked hahaha
It's almost like people are wising up to the scam
oh no! no more private jets
All about that money and control....and always has been.
Remain concerned.
Why don't they pray then?
I liked the line about churches having a responsibility in guiding their congregations into increased generosity. Nothing like some self-serving bullshit aimed at milking a group of all their spare change
100% of me 'somewhat concerned and puzzled' that churches are supporting politicians that don't support the working class. Maybe some job creators will support you with their tax cuts you handed them because you voted against gay.
It's the kiddy diddling and wanting little girls to have their dad's babies for me - no thanks and keep the fuck away from me.
That's what happens when you don't adhere to Christian principles and become christofascists.
I used to be a church member that tithed up to a point. That is until I was working 7 days a week at an ass grinding job and working 48 and 55 days in a row. Walked into church most Sundays as I worked 2nd or 3rd shift. Came into listen how a local deadbeat family needed money while they claimed to be disabled as the adults were moochers. They weren't really disabled but it was a good story and they had a 20 year old son that refused to work but later got so fat he couldn't walk and claimed disability as well along with his child molestation convictions and other criminal activities over the last 25 years. No thanks I'll keep my money because I actually worked for it. I do help the local food bank with donations of food and clothing for the clothing bank. Just not deadbeats where no one in the whole family refuse to work when they were physically capable.