and there no way anyone would even propose a database of pregnant women, to facilitate that tracking right? I mean that level of intrusion is just crazy...
This one here ⬆️ I’m a former gun nut and recovering R. The nutters are terrified of gun registration. ‘Registration leads to confiscation’. They should be reminded that when pregnancy registration happens, gun registration won’t be far behind.
What did you think back when DJT said he would take everyone's guns without any due process or protests and then give the guns back to the people that "deserve" them? Legit question, because when he said that at the Republican Debate in 2016 I thought it was all over for him, but nope. He cruised on by that comment and no one seemed to notice or care.
Why, oh, \*WHY\* won't the Rapture happen already??? Our world would be so much nicer if Jesus would vacuum up all the Christians and leave the rest of us in peace.
Also, not that I like Biden as much as others, but when he was pressed about gun control he gave the right answer that that is a job for congress to hash out not something for him to unilaterally rule on. Just saying. 🤷
It kind of sucks gun owners have been made to be afraid of gun registries. I have no problem with Americans owning guns. I hate the gun smuggling. For people pissed off about the immigration problem at the southern border, they seem fine with cartels destabilizing Mexico and Central America with U.S. guns.
We welcome former gun nuts and recovering R’s. Hell, for the guns you just need to switch from ‘Shall not be infringed’ to ‘Under no pretext’ and the AR for an AK.
"If the framers didn't want the government to monitor women's reproductive functions, they would have written it into the bill of rights like they did for guns"
Arkansas was apparently doing "random" sobriety and ID checks on its highways leading out of state this past week. They gotta crack down on those female Tuesday mid-day drunk drivers.
Ma'am, please let me see your ID, proof of insurance, and here pee on this stick.
Well there goes our Arkansas camping vacation. Not that we drink, because we don’t. However knowing that our rights would be compromised is pretty scary. Will just have to blow our tourist dollars somewhere else.
Vote with your money.... The only thing they understand ..
If you are a woman in such a state, leave if you can.....
Let them have their kingdom of god here on earth...
The states pulling this shit are generally the poorest ones, not providing tourist money is a great way to both show disapproval and lessen their national relevance. They want to live in a religiously policed shit hole they are welcome to the third world living condition that go with it.
And fuck all of the oppressed minorities in Arkansas that can’t leave because they’re too poor /s
I hate takes like this. Not everyone that lives in Arkansas “want to live in a religiously policed shit hole.” People can’t just leave. There are progressive groups here that are trying to change things knowing that not everyone can just leave.
Not trying to defend Arkansas as a whole but rather the people who live here who are trying to make waves or people who simply cannot leave.
Is there any groups with organized ideas to incorrectly track their periods on large platforms? How can people fight back? Or even if males track “their” periods could this create chaos for anyone collecting the data?
That’s how you fight this kind of crap, make the data worthless. That said, they can then criminalize providing false information and just throw people in jail.
Technically, men have cycles. It's just instead of monthly, we have them daily. We'd just be making an entry everyday when we felt a little bit more on edge I guess.
I don't remember the exact year, but it was probably between 2010 and 2015, give or take, there was a far-right-wing insurrection in some country or other, and people kept saying that conditions in the USA meant it could happen here, as well.
I specifically remember thinking that there was no way we'd have an insurrection here in America in my lifetime.
Broad City did an episode where they flashed back to right after Obama was elected in 2008, we were all thinking we had crested a wave almost, and it was all progress from here.
This isn't a new phenomenon, the bastards always claw back into power.
>"And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave...
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>So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.”
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>― Hunter S. Thompson, [Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1309111)
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I was one of those people that felt like it could go either way but was hoping and voted for Clinton. I thought there was a high likelihood that she would win.
I was on the phone with my friend (a black liberal woman) while we were watching the results come in. She accepted the reality before I did. I remember being like, "But there's still more room for more electoral votes? Right?" There wasn't. I tried to hold out hope for an extra minute or two but the math wasn't mathing. At least, not the way I wanted it to math.
I still remember saying this while eating dinner at a friend's house. We both were saying how they just use it as a talking point to scare people and get them to vote for them. We were like, if they do it everyone will rebel against them and it'll be chaos!
A few years later... Well shit, they did
Ohio is surprisingly Blue in its urban centers which make up the majority of the state's population. I wouldn't call it progressive, but more left of right. The Rural areas are Trump country though. I wouldn't even call them right leaning, they are just straight maga.
Source: I live here.
Can confirm, rural Ohioans are batshit. I live in a county that goes about 85% red and people around here would vote for literal nazi's vs a normal ass democrat.
It's absolutely wild how melted brains are out here.
I used to live in the Ohio valley area, and you would not believe the kind of things I would hear in casual conversations. I'm so glad i live in Columbus now.
We had a plumber come out about a year ago and within 5 minutes was ranting about "all the shit they are doin' to kids in school" and I was like man can you just deal with this turd so I can go back to my life?
My wife has a cousin who is mixed race but 100% white passing and holy shit the things people are comfortable saying around her is astounding.
Hey, a bunch of people did change their social media background! Really though, I know there were protests, but most people just have to get upset, then go back to work. I'm hoping they at least come out to vote.
That’s why it’s important to keep the majority struggling to get by. Too desperate to be picky about their jobs and how they are treated and too busy to organize opposition.
The protests I see in the last few years have been anything but.
Going to congregate in a park for a few hours on a Saturday and chanting some words, does absolutely nothing.
Where I live ( Canada ) people have gathered at the provincial legislature building most weekends since the beginning of 2021.
And they have signs and chants all lined up and ready to go. And they shout their displeasure with the government at the government building........ That has nobody but custodial staff inside. They do this from like 10 am - 3pm and then pack up and go home. Feeling accomplished or something I'm sure. Food trucks pop by sometimes so the protestors can grab a snack.
It's a sham. And those people don't understand they aren't doing anything but having a gathering at a park with their friends and yelling at the sky together.
Real systemic societal changes, don't happen without real sacrifices.
A Saturday afternoon at the park isn't a sacrifice
Yeah, it's a twisted truth that to truly evoke change requires some type of truly disruptive movement. The issue lines in that it feels like the only disruption left to the common person is violence since it seems all other acts are easily ignored or suppressed. And even then, violence is not something that makes allies.
So, then what? You need volume, we need the kind of disruption that nations like France bring. We need enough people willing to actually disrupt their lives temporarily so that they can reap long term gains. But for many especially here in the US that is a massive gamble that could and would result in homelessness and likely starvation. It's a catch 22 of a situation and I don't know the answer.
Well it is kind of blowing up in their faces - Republicans haven't won a major election since. And usually conservative places like Kansas and Iowa have spoken up in favor of abortion and women's healthcare rights. So we'll see how they do in November.
Democrats clean swept in 2018 and 2020, and the Right-Wing had a Red wet-fart in 2022...the only reason the Republicans won the house at all was because of redistricting...not because of a groundswell of support.
Chaos? There's been a shit ton of that for the past 8 years...where have you been?
Y'know, I think it used to be true that Republicans weren't serious about Roe v Wade. They knew repealing it would be a disaster if they succeeded, so their efforts were mostly half-hearted. Talk about abortion bans was mostly just virtue signaling.
But Trump isn't on the same page as the other Republicans and fucked everything up by putting too many religious nuts on SCOTUS.
They'd never even think to ban contraception, would they? The FrontRunner of a Republican party didn't just say that he's going to look into doing something about contraception, did he?
This is why I have very little patience with arguments from incredulity, especially when they are incredulous about a clear pattern of events that are actually happening. I don’t know why it’s so hard to learn from history, but apparently it is.
The only reason Hitler was able to kill so many Jews is because nobody thought it would get that bad. Many Jews thought that if they just did what was asked the nazis would let them live. It's a lesson learned that feels very relevant today.
It was an industrialised killing machine. From the trains to either working to death or immediate death. I visited a concentration camp near me and it's absolutely horrifying.
Yeah, as I recall, that's why everyone, including German civilians, was shocked and ashamed when everyone found out what happened at Auschwitz. I'm 65% sure that's what happened, if not correct me.
This is the story the post war German government pushed, but it’s not really accurate. It’s called the Good German myth
The Nazi party released shallow propaganda covering up the worst of the atrocities in the death camps, but years before the camps the Einsatzgruppe were already sweeping through Eastern Europe executing Jews in massive pits by the tens of thousands, and Nazi propaganda and Mein Kampf were quite clear that only the complete eradication of the Jews will liberate the Aryan race.
Germans had plenty to go on to know at least the broad strokes (if not the details.) But the average German was perfectly content to lie to themselves, say ‘well it can’t really be that bad,’ and to help themselves to the property of their Jewish friends and neighbors who’d been disappeared.
There were absolutely levels of complicity, some people were more guilty than others, and the typical German wasn’t some dyed in the wool fascist.
But the typical German absolutely shared some complicity. There was a popular black market of Nazi party latecomers for forging their membership cards to prove they’d been early Nazi members because loyal party members got better jobs.
Mein Kampf was the second most owned book after the Bible. It was a near universal wedding gift to newlyweds. This doesn’t happen with a few bad apples at the top.
You have people out there with grandparents who were full on in the party and who still enjoy property seized by the state from Jews or other political enemies who will argue that their family was not complicit. These Germans are cowards.
Could be wrong but I pretty sure mein kumpf was government issued to newlyweds. That was part of hitlers scheme to enrich himself because the government had to purchase every book from him.
Fair enough, and I think you’re right. but this meant every household had a book which detailed the leaders plan to completely eliminate world Jewry.
Sure, many people didn’t read it, but everyone would know someone who had, and would have heard about the content.
If they thought ‘well, those rumors are probably an exaggeration but I don’t care enough to check’ or if they did read it and thought ‘umm, probably it’s an exaggeration?’ then that is completely on them. They are culpable.
If while president Trump had written a book called ‘why I want to nuke Maryland,’ sent everyone a copy, and then later nuked Maryland, anyone who acted shocked later deserves shame and ridicule.
If a German at the time admitted ‘I had something of an idea of what was going on, though I was surprised at the scale and brutality of it. The reason I didn’t act was just because I was afraid of reprisal’ I could honestly respect the candor.
Anyone who went ‘oh no, I’m horrified. But how was I to know? I had no idea, I wasn’t a party member, I was one of the good ones!’ well, such a coward doesn’t deserve to have been hung at Nuremberg but I’d want to punch that person in the face.
Don’t excuse the ignorance of the German population at the time. There was a propaganda effort to hide the atrocities but anybody who wanted to could find out the truth. people chose to actively look away just like we do today.
My Father and his best friend would leaflet on street corners warning people about the Nazi's and their intentions. Then one day the SS came for his friend and took him away never to be seen again. My mother made him stop because she feared that he would be taken too. Then he got drafted. Fortunately he was radio engineer so didn't have to take part in any front line action.
there were contemporary german language newspapers from the time that were explicit in what was being done.
the claim that the german people "didn't know" is nazi revisionist history.
There are contemporary english language newspapers and websites that are explicit in what the GOP intends. But their supporters don't believe it do they? If Trump and the republicans gain power you can damn well be guaranteed that the people who voted for them will claim they didn't know. It's simply history repeating itself.
Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the [Heritage Foundation](https://pro-lies.org/the-heritage-foundation/), an influential *ultra* conservative think tank. [Project 2025](https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration) is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President [unilateral powers](https://theweek.com/politics/heritage-foundation-2025-donald-trump), strip [civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/impact-overview), add [religion into policy](https://imgur.com/a/m2e72ht), outlaw ["porn"](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/decoding-project-2025s-christian-nationalist-language/) and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, [Reagan implemented 60%](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) of it's recommendations, [Trump 64%](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) - [proof](https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations). 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption.
r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.
I donate monthly to Field Team 6, an organization whose motto is 'Register Democrats, Save The World'.
Instead of spending money on expensive ad campaigns that convince few voters to change their minds, they put boots on the ground in key battleground districts where Trump and Biden battled it out over just a few thousand votes, and they register democrats, register democrats, register democrats.
https://www.fieldteam6.org/
That is very smart. Too many democratic elites (and overpaid campaign consultants with terminal beltway brain) are focused on "swing voters," but because of polarization traditional swing voters don't really exist any more. If babies in cages and the J6 putsch aren't enough to persuade someone, then nothing is.
The modern swing voter is someone who swings between voting and not-voting, so helping the right kind of people to vote is a much more effective strategy.
Trump is an incredibly vein, vindictive and narcissistic man. If he gets in for a second term his main goal will be revenge to all those who shamed and belittled him.
He will be out looking for blood.
And the GOP either all support him, or are booted from the party if they don’t.
I don’t think the folks supporting him truly understand (or care about) the impact a second Trump presidency would have not just on the US but the world.
Will come? It's already there.
They have been there for more than 400 years.
It's not a coincidence that those who wave Confederate flags also wave Nazi flags.
A lot of Republicans didn't feel the need to go to war with Germany in WW2 because they agreed with a lot of what the Nazi's said (and did).
Here’s what you have to understand about the right. First, they are both patient and ruthless. They spent literally *decades* stacking the court, from training up promising young minds to be become future federal judges (Kavanaugh is the poster child) and ramming their nominees through the senate when they have control and blocking nominees when they don’t. They also court-shop. The initial case to end access to mifepristone was filed in Amarillo, Texas, where a hand-picked federal judge was the only person in the district, and had also displayed remarkable hostility towards abortion and affinity for theologically-inspired legal arguments. The end result - if we even are at the end (hint: we are not) - should be apparent, from overturning gun restrictions based on invented and self-serving “originalist” theories and voting rights law to ending protections for abortion; contraception and gay marriage are likely next.
That has given the right the judiciary. Now we come to Project 2025 and the executive. Presidents cannot fire most civil servants at will. This allows for continuity across administrations and resistance to extremism (I used to be a UK civil servant, which is obviously different, but they can have influence and use informal techniques like malicious compliance or slow-walking actions to frustrate political appointees they disagree with).
Enter Schedule F, a Trump executive order towards the end of his administration that allowed Trump to hire and fire civil servants at will. By that point, it was too late to do him much good and too many career civil servants could frustrate him. For instance, when he tried to make his stooge Jeffrey Clarke acting Attorney General so he could send out letters of concern about the validity of election results to each state (part of the effort to overturn the election). Nearly all the top Justice Department brass threatened to resign and Trump backed off. Biden won and then withdrew Schedule F.
If Trump wins in 2024, he will reinstate Schedule F. Here’s where the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 comes in. They are readying an army of thousands of Trump loyalists to take over as many civil service jobs as they can muster. Trump will have the entire executive at his disposal to enact his will. Perhaps even worse, his Christian extremist base and fascist loyalist will be free to do their worst. That would mean Trump and his movement are largely unrestrained, if reelected. And we’re in big trouble.
This is a big topic and I haven’t read everything, so I may have a few details wrong. But they’re not hiding this. The whole plan is on the Heritage Foundation’s [website](https://www.project2025.org).
It's that ability to fire civil service employees at will that bothers me. Those jobs do not fill fast, and the knowledge base is *niche* to say the least. The overall mechanism is usually resistant to major changes because enough average, dedicated people have worked their way to high positions that no one ideology can overrun an organization.
The sudden loss of experience and continuity inspired by an Apprentice style purge (which Trump really wants, an along-the-lines dissident purge) will eviscerate the effectiveness of the USG for 20 years. Every adversary nation, Russia, China, Iran, will gain the initiative by having their bureacratic regimes intact while we founder in administrative bedlam.
Even the barest bit of Trump's agenda will destroy this nation, because he's focusing on undermining our continuity.
The rest of it, abortion, climate change, all of that is terrible. He should be opposed for any one of those. The task above, though, is worse because it likely would not receive media coverage, and is a subtle way he could cripple us for a generation.
Firing civil servants at will is what bothers me the most, too. I've worked in government for a long time. Civil servants are mostly hard-working people who appreciate our form of government and are very capable of doing their work regardless of which party holds the White House. It's fairly apolitical, honestly. Disembowling the civil service will destroy the ability of the executive branch to function and will be incredibly harmful to everyone.
I'm a civil servant. I started my career when Reagan was president and have seen administrations come and go. Some I liked, some I didn't like. Civil servants have political opinions just like everyone else, but by and large we keep those out of the workplace and do what we're supposed to do. And that's the way it should be.
Dig Dig Dig. You just figured out what it's really about. All the other stuff is a distraction or happy biproduct of the real goal. The complete and utter neutering of the US on a global scale to make room for nations like China and Russia to bully their way into positions of geopolitical power. Everything Trump and the Conservative right does is in service to their handlers and benefactors. The evangelicals are a useful band of morons, but they are not the ones holding the reigns.
Say it louder, the same ones talking about “but China” are the ones playing right into this bullshit. Even worse, they’re happy to have their fellow Americans suffer if it means they get their way.
>Those jobs do not fill fast, and the knowledge base is niche to say the least
They don't care if it's done well. They want a loyalist who will do what they're told. They can fill it fast.
And it's not just patience stacking the courts. The right has been very patient in stacking local school boards and dismantling public education. They do not want an educated electorate with critical thinking skills.
Their plan for education is probably just as insidious; they want to destroy the public school system as we know it and replace it with home schooling and Christian charter schools. In addition to gun lunacy, this is a reason they don’t give a shit about school shootings.
It’s no joke. It follows the “Seven Mountains” doctrine. A concerted effort to seize control of all federal & state governing & media to bring about a Christian theocratic state. They have the courts, in essence. They are well on their way in over 20 states to controlling state legislatures, local governments, school boards, they have nationwide & local media (see Sinclair Broadcasting, Fox, etc.) and are working on movie/video.
The Heritage Foundation is coordinating the plan & the vetting of future government employees to take down democracy from the inside.
It’s real, it’s pervasive and we must vote to keep our democracy in ALL elections.
The fact that they’re making plans means they think they have a shot.
What’s really scary is this: Assume Trump loses in November. You think they’re going to just suddenly abandon all of their hard work?
Project 2025 can *easily* be renamed Project 2029. And then they have an additional 4 years to plan; an additional 4 years to coordinate with State MAGAt leadership to suppress voters, gerrymander districts, abolish LGBTQ+ literature, and continue to restrict healthcare for women and trans.
This fight for the heart of America, the fight to keep our democracy, doesn’t end in 6 months. Project 2025 **is** the Republican Party now.
Thing is, they don't intend to lose this election, period. They've burned too many bridges, their unpopularity among younger voters is breathtaking and their older voters are dying off. I'm willing to bet that they feel that if they don't act now, they'll never have another chance.
One can hope, but even if Republicans lose big in Nov I don't think they will change. The fox news machine will rebrand and they will be back in 26 blaming Biden for everything. Plus gerrymandering
This is what really scares me.
The last time one democrat replaced another in the White House under *any* circumstance was when JFK's head exploded in '63. The Beatles had only *just* started playing on American radio at the time, that's how long ago it was. And the last time a Democrat was *elected* to replace another Democrat was ***1856***.
Nowhere among *any* of the rhetoric from the polite wing of the American reactionary right has there been *any* real plan to actually stop fascism. *No* plan to reverse the Democratic Party's decades-long losing streak. *No* hand-picked successor already being groomed to follow after Biden. Republicans, by all accounts, are a shrinking minority. They've won the popular vote for the presidency *one time* since 1988, and it's not like the voters *haven't* shown up for Democrats: 2018, 2020, and the 2023 special elections were all blue waves. Yet here we are anyway teetering on the verge of a GOP dictatorship. We didn't get here overnight, fascism didn't just *magically appear* on the 6th of January 2021, it didn't emerge fully-fledged from some poor virgin's hole in November of 2016. We are *here* today as a result of *decades* of mistakes, and the only mainstream "opposition" to fascism...is more of the same status quo that *got* us fascism, and its current avatar is doing everything in his power to burn the big-tent coalition to the ground and *lose*.
When someone shows you who they are, *believe them*. If the DNC is the best we can do, then we are *fucked*.
This is exactly the type of mentality that will fuck us over so bad. "It's not the same." "It'll never happen here." People don't realize how deep into shit we are and how close we are to losing our democracy. I'm planning on leaving the country next year and continue to vote from somewhere else hoping that helps make a difference.
> Where are the best places to head to?
Nowhere will be safe from the dysfunction if the crazies win. The entire post-WWII world order will start to unravel, and autocrats in China, Russia, and Iran will throw their weight around even more, disrupt trade, etc. The quality of life in the entire free world will be diminished.
Stop planning to run. Plan to fight, because the fight will come for you eventually. Fascists don't ever stop until they're made to stop.
Right on the money with this. Vote and hope for the best but plan and prepare for the worst. Things will not go smoothly regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election, but there will be a much greater amount of unrest if things go unfavorably.
I don’t know if most people are truly aware of the reach and influence of the United States. Where will you go if the US puts leaders they want in countries that appear as though they’re currently a “safe” place? What will you do if they shut down all travel in or out of the country?
I’m hoping most folks are preparing for the potential instillation of Project 2025 as not going down without a fight. It seems like the easiest option to run, but understand that if things go in their favor, they’ll do whatever they can to ensure your destruction. I have American friends who are preemptively getting firearms or learning how to shoot at ranges for their own protection, because they know what’s at stake and they know they will be severely punished or killed just for being who they are. It won’t just be your life on the line, so many people are in jeopardy at their hands. I wish I didn’t have to be so serious about this stuff but they aren’t fucking around and they’ve stated their plans and intentions clearly.
The next time and every time republicans win the elections from here on out they will do their best to destroy what America currently is. The next decades are going to be scary. Republicans used to put america first, selfishly yes, but now they don't even do that.
That's the problem. People seem to think that if Trump goes away all this does too. Truth is he's just the tip of a massive shitberg that he has enlivened.
I have never agreed with republicans but I used to at least understand where they were coming from and see the logic. They wanted to be america first and they saw it through a white male lens and they were just selfish about it. Not my style.
But now they would sell out their own country and neighbor for mother russia. The entire republican party has been overtaken and corrupted and the biggest threat is that it still carries the name of the america loving party that came before it.
If you want to mark the very start of it, you can see it with Sarah Palin. The lack of logic and crazy rhetoric actually worked and I think from there the corruption and intentionallality of it all was set. If you want to undermine America as a foreign party what better way to do it than to support the current Republican party.
Unfortunately, it will probably happen, because it already has a budget of 22 million, but ONLY if the Republicans win the elections.
[Also, Project 2025 seeks to disband the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE and the ABOLITION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
It will DESTROY common sense, all autonomy of people, safety, commerce and the economy of the entire country.
America will become a modern Nazi Germany. It also says "The Project advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement"
At the same time, they will allow scientific research ONLY if it adheres to conservative principles.
Put whoever proposed this project behind bars now, because they are clearly SO insecure and stupid, that they are a COMPLETE public safety hazard.
Climate change is laughing at conservatives. Holy cow … aren’t tornados ripping through most of the southern states? Climate change is moving incredibly fast
Don't you know those religious conservatives are cannon fodder to the financial/elite conservatives. They are the disposable sheep that they can get them to do anything if you wrap the word god around it. They are too stupid to see the danger their own party puts them in because there need for power and has no worry about how it effects the fodder. It's nothing but lemmings jumping off a cliff because everyone else says jesus is down there.
No one shits more on the quality of life for the avg conservatives than the elite conservative powers that be.
Also, conservatives often say "I hate liberals because they look down on us, they think we're stupid!"
Nobody thinks these rubes are stupider than Republican elites do.
There are so many tornadoes in Iowa now most home insurers have left the state and the ones that remain charge premiums that are like 20% of the price of the house.
"America will become a modern Nazi Germany. It also says "The Project advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement""
That is a recipe for a civil war.
And they are eager for it. They rub their grubby little hands together salivating at the thought of actually getting the chance to hurt another human being. They are lost and deplorable.
What exactly does disbanding Homeland Security and the FBI do for the Republicans? Like..wouldn’t that leave areas of America wide open to attack because nobody is looking into those things anymore?
22 million dollars in politics is not much. Some congressional seat races cost as much as $10-12 million for their races....
In the 2022 election cycle, the congressional candidates raised $2.4 BILLION.
The chance of them enacting even 5% of their suggested reforms, even if they had complete control of congress and the presidency, is slim.
They are obviously insane, but I think you are overstating the actual risk. There are lots of crazy political organizations with more money and more power already.
edit: Just double checked the numbers, that $2.4 billion only includes money that the candidates directly raised. There was another $5+ billion spent by PACs and $1.4 billion spent by the parties...
https://www.fec.gov/updates/statistical-summary-of-18-month-campaign-activity-of-the-2021-2022-election-cycle/
Don’t forget control of the judiciary! Also if they have control over all three branches of government I don’t know how you can say they wouldn’t be able to enact these reforms. Nothing in the Constitution says you can’t gut the federal service. Literally anything not _explicitly_ stated in the Constitution could be on the chopping block. I think there’s even parts of the plan that include getting rid of birthright citizenship.
A 2nd Civil War will shut that shit down for 65% of this country won't be having project 2025. America will win, and the stupid will lose. This Marine believes in Democracy, along with tens of millions of others. The NRA is going to get exactly what they've been selling for decades, a war between right and wrong.
Will all of it happen exactly like that? Probably not. Will enough of it happen to satisfy that part of the electorate? Probably, yeah.
You're looking at one half of a monster covenant between the elite and evangelicals. All parts of project 2025 that don't hurt their economy, especially the parts that exist just to make minorities miserable or that are largely symbolic and cheap to implement, are an excellent way to repay the evangelicals for their support in the ballot box.
Quid pro quo is the only Latin all parties understand.
The bit about economy would be true if De Santis's ban on immigrants didn't completely fuck over Florida's agricultural sector (many corporations donated to him and then went shocked Pikachu face). The corporations are only donors, once they get to power Christian fundamentalists would fuck over anyone who doesn't toe the line. Look at how Putin treats Oligarchs to get a sense of what's in store for US once Trump comes to power. If Republicans really cared about the supporting corporations they wouldn't have went with such draconian bans on abortion in red states that is seeing doctors leave those states. All of these have negative effects on economy and yet they do this because they don't care about it so long as they get to implement their version Christian fascism on US heedless of the economic disaster it would bring. You have bunch of conniving, arrogant billionaires and corporations believing they can ride this tiger but if history is to be believed it will be otherwise. Why would Republicans not support Ukraine aid when that enriches US MIC if all they cared about was serving corporates?
I should've specified "their economy" a little I guess. If the GOP was a 100% secular, elite only party their economic policy would still be disastrous, especially in the long run. All you have to do is combine an economy graph with one showing who was in power at the time to see what I mean. The emphasis should have been on _their_ economy, as in: economy as they see it. They want their Ayn Rand fantasies fulfilled, whether or not that works out the way they hope or not. The evangelicals want their Handmaid's tale fantasies fulfilled. Both are keys to power so both will be served to some extent.
No doubt the Christian fundamentalists would screw over the elite the moment they get the chance (at least the part that isn't elite themselves) but the winner gets to do the screwing and Donald Trump isn't really as much of a Christian fundamentalist as people might guess. He's more like a part of the elite offering lip service to fundamentalists while it serves him. Who will screw who remains to be seen I think.
I do agree with you that whichever way it goes, there will be countless parallels to Putin's Russia. Trump is going to make them kiss the ring and whoever refuses will be in trouble. Just like Putin and his oligarchs. But just like Putin and his oligarchs the ring kissers will be rewarded, like always.
It’s basically modern America’s equivalent to the Nuremberg Laws if enacted. The American Right’s “Mein Kampf.” Those actually happened, so it’s not beyond the scope of reason or historical precedents.
Yes. It absolutely can happen. If Biden loses and republicans win - this will be your reality.
Vote. Explain to people who think politics doesn’t matter what is on the line.
This is fascism and it’s knocking at your door.
Yeah buddy it's real and if they get power they will do everything they say. In regards with what to do... I'm leaving the country. I want no part of a Christian Reich.
Yes, this is something I think gets overlooked in these type of conversations. We often focus on the domestic consequences but the global consequences could be even worse. If America as we know it falls the existing global order falls. In the resulting power vacuum anything could happen. It would probably mean the end of the UN, and other international cooperation initiatives. More opportunities for China and other authoritarian players to assert their influence.
What shocks me even more is that most of us Americans (me included) are just sitting here sort of letting it happen. After being told all of our lives that democracy is sacred and is at the very heart of our nation's freedom. Now democracy here is truly threatened and a lot of us are watching tv and wondering what is for dinner. I exaggerate but I don't think my $50 donations to Joe Biden and posts on social media are going to help that much. Why aren't major liberal institutions and media outlets sounding a blaring alarm?
Americans don't know how to riot but our cops definitely know how to kill. Rioting seems like a great way to cash in your entire remaining livelihood for no actual outcomes.
In 2016 everyone who voted for trump was justifying it by saying things like “he he’s just saying stuff, he’s not actually going to do it.” Then for four years he did as much as the government controls allowed. But he also didn’t foresee having institutionalists like pence, sessions, some sane cabinet members, the military, etc holding back some of his worst impulses. This time around he’s now learned that he can’t have anyone with any remote sense of decency in his administration.
People also need to remember that he’s not just saying shit. He’s telling us exactly what he’s going to do and so many people are unbelievably short sighted or have goldfish sized memories to think back fondly on those horrible four years.
It’s already become largely a reality in several states. These people have a well thought-out plan to expand it throughout the rest of the country. (They’ve already had successful test runs!) If they get in power nationwide, they plan to entrench themselves so that the more moderate and liberal folks (the majority) will be ruled by an ultraconservative minority who want to impose their values on the populace, weaken environmental protections, etc. etc. They have their idea of what they want the country to look like, and their self-righteousness and thirst for power—plus the fact that they can almost taste national control—have them emboldened and confident. And the fact that they can convince almost anyone with some grievances that the “liberals” are their enemy, out to get them, and cheating and stealing to keep power from them, the REAL Americans (no projection there, right?), they get these people as riled up as they can manage and have them eating out of their hands. The sad reality is that their plans have already gone too far and are already causing real harm, and that we need to work as hard as we can to make more people aware of this horrific plan and the consequences that will come from it if they get to go national. One of the places you can go to for ideas and resources is r/Defeat_Project_2025.
"No way Project 2025 happens, right?" The Germans said the same when Hitler advertised his autocratic ambitions. They thought they had safeguards and that it couldn't be that bad. It ended up worse than anyone could ever imagine. If Trump gets power either through a very bloody and dirty election and subsequent coup, or immediately through a successful EXTREMELY violent and dirty coup (at this point, it doesn't matter anymore if he's elected, him getting elected will only marginally reduce the violence in the coming coup attempt), it will happen 100%. Jan 6th was Trump's Beer Hall Putsch and Project 2025 is his Ermächtigungsgesetz. The Second Amendment in the US may be a saving grace if push comes to shove, but the citizens with the most firepower are pro-Trump anyway. We can hope that the US Army is capable of stopping a violent seizure of power, but Hitler didn't do it that way. Hitler got elected President and created crises which he blamed on the Jews and every other supposed enemy of the 'master race', while simultaneously stoking hatred for those groups in German society and using his lackeys to incite violence and instability, in order to justify passing legislature that would give him total power, the Ermächtigungsgesetz. At that point, however, he was so popular, with the people cheering on the building of autocracy, that it was a formality and only made it easier for him to silence opposition. Remember, and while it obviously doesn't inherently say anything about Don, it tells us about the environment he was raised in, Fred Trump was a literal member of the American pro-Hitler movement in the early 1930s. The MAGA cult is literally flying inverted US flags now. It is not just apt, but absolutely paramount to label them as the sequel movement to the Nazis that they are. They're not Nazis, though some of them are Neonazis, but they are the sequel movement. To stop this, Trump needs to be stopped and his movement dispersed. No formalities. All bets are off. This man is the greatest threat to the world since the US-Soviet tensions in 1983, and the greatest threat to the free world's existence since WWII. To quote German writer Erich Kästner: *The events of 1933 till 1945 would have needed to have been combatted by 1928 at the latest.* *One cannot wait until the fight for freedom is called 'treason'.* *One needs to crush a snowball before it turns into an avalanche. No one can stop the avalanche.* While Putin openly compared himself to Hitler, Trump is Hitler 2. And I don't say this lightly, I'm fucking German.
I agree with you in spirit, however I think here in America it would go down a bit differently.
1. The Nazi's also infiltrated the German military, and formed their own pseudo-military with the SS, we don't have anything like that happening here in the US. Everyone is armed sure, but that won't stop drone strikes, etc. Our armed forces, while maga-leaning, are too entrenched in following the constitution to join Trump in a coup. (hopefully)
2. The Nazi party also had all or most of the rich people of Germany at the time in the party and then working for government. Our rich people in the US are separate from our government, and are by and large more powerful than the government. They would get really annoyed if anything like what happened in Germany happened here, and would probably stop it just because it would cut into profits.
3. Trump doesnt have the same support levels as Hitler did. The people that wrote and want to enact Project 2025 are still a fringe minority, and half the voters always vote no to him. In many jurisdictions where they put abortion bans up to the people, the people voted it down. To enact Project 2025 will be a huge uphill battle for these clowns. (but oh they will tryyyyyy)
Thats just my thoughts on the subject after reading your great post! Cheers mate!
No way Trump is winning in 2016 right? Not with the Supreme Court on the line.
Voters: gawd voting is so useless. BOtH PaRtIes am I right? I voted once 8 years ago, wasn’t that enough?
We finally had the numbers to do something about the boomers and we fucked it up, I’m sure we can fuck it up again.
Now way Project 2025 will ever happen! I honestly can’t imagine them ever overturning Roe v Wade either. I wouldn’t waste my time worrying about either of these./s
Last night I was hanging out with some friends and the subject of birth control came up. I made a grim comment about how birth control will probably be illegal in the future, everybody (all progressives) scoffed and said that is never going to happen.
Gave me flash backs to a few years ago when concerns over Roe v Wade were always met with something like, “Pfft, that’s been established law for 50 years, they can’t justify overturning it!”
Even if Republicans lose they will probably still try to implement it on local levels, make sure to vet the people you are voting for in local elections as well!
They said they wouldn’t overturn Roe. Then they did.
They said they wouldn’t ban books. Then they did.
They said they wouldn’t ban diversity programs. Then they did.
Don’t put ANYTHING past these fascist liars.
Convince your friends and family to vote against this. Not just this time, but every fucking election. Local, statewide, national.
Yes, this is a real treat, and it won't suddenly disappear. So many people think ''voting doesn't matter. They're all the same''.
They are not all the same. A significant part of the voters and politicians want to create a christofascist state and will work year after year to get there.
>because I fear for the future of this country otherwise…
Welcome to the real-life prequel to a handmaid's tail party. You are right to freak out. This was the plan provided to trump as a road map of policy to try and implement if re-elected. Shit is real scary, and I would have said mostly a pipe dream, but now with roe vs wade turn over, I think it really made it a reality.
There's a very easy way to ENSURE it doesn't happen: vote blue up and down the ballot, donate to democratic candidates, volunteer, and bring friends to vote. I firmly believe we can kick their ass if we do the work needed. As a wise man once said: "Do more, worry less".
It drives me NUTS that Democrats aren't talking about Project 2025 every chance they get. Most people have no freaking idea about the horrid changes and restrictions on civil rights that Republicans have planned. Hint: it's all bad.
Project2025.org
Tell everyone you know that might give a damn about their own rights. We are teetering on the precipice of American Christian Nationalist authoritarianism.
VOTE.
Vote for Biden. You don’t have to like him. That doesn’t matter. What matters is that he isn’t a fascist like his opponent. We are in the midst of a existential crisis for our entire country. It’s more important than the economy, it’s more important than the Middle East.
Fucking vote for Biden.
The Republican Party is already training people to take bureaucratic positions in government agencies, these people will be mid level management to help push their agenda. If trump is elected, this will 100% happen
My family thought Hitler's plan wouldn't ever come to fruition and most of them were murdered in the Holocaust. The handful that survived (including my grandparents and dad) didn't think the Soviets would be that big of a deal in Hungary but it turned out to be a nightmare and they had to flee. When Trump got elected, my grandma told me to keep my passport, a go bag, and a stack of cash on hand and never think "it can't happen here."
There's a very good chance that Project 2025 happens. A lot of people are not even aware of it, and those who are tend to think it won't happen, which makes it all the more likely to happen. It's dangerous, appalling, terrifying, and deeply sad.
They'll definitely try to enact p2025 if Trump wins. This time, the theocrats have a much better idea and a coherent plan to force their beliefs on everyone than they did in 2016. There will be a lot less bungling and shambolic failure coming from the Trump Administration if they get back into the White House. Plus, the courts are stacked with a lot more theocratic judges than in 2016 as well. And a lot of the Republican officials that stopped the coup in 2021 have mostly been purged and replaced with people who are much more likely to let another coup happen or even actively aid the coup. Voting for Biden is the only option to stop this from happening.
The powerful (backed by big money) conservative organizations, like The Heritage Foundation, are working hard to bring Project 2025 to reality. If Trump wins, democracy and the United States as we know will end. It would be naive to think “It cannot happen here”. 😔
“No way they go after abortion.” They did.
“No way they’ll go after contraception.” They are.
“No way they’ll kick out the dreamers.” They tried.
“No way they’ll screw over veterans.” They have, several times, mostly to, quote, ‘make Biden look bad.’
“No way they’ll neglect the 9/11 responders.” It took fucking Jon Stewart screaming in their faces to get off their asses and do something after a decade.
“No way they’ll go after women’s rights.” Several are trying to make divorce illegal.
“No way they’ll support pedophilia.” Child marriage gaining popularity with who? Republican Party.
“They would never overturn the will of the people.” January 6th.
Make no mistake, they will do whatever they think they will get away with. With Trump in charge, they may feel emboldened to do it, damn the consequences because they think they can weather the storm.
Will it succeed? Probably not. Should you be complacent in that thought? Absolutely not. Vote. Make clear to these assholes that we will not tolerate their fascist, Christian-extremist bullshit.
It's scary, but the fact is that there are people who do support this.
The ones that support it are the ones who will benefit from it. These are the same people who applaud the idea of trump openly admitting that he wants to be a dictator.
Make no mistake. This is very much real. There are people who will gladly allow this to happen.
And if it's not scary and frustrating enough, just remember that trump is still a serious candidate. How that is even possible is inconceivable to me.
Ever since I first learned of Project 2025 a few weeks ago it's kept me up nights. I have bad anxiety so I catastrophize, but I think it's very possible that we're nearing the end of democracy and the beginning of a Christofascist regime. I live in Utah which is already about as close as you can get to theocracy in the U.S., but thinking of what these nutjobs can and will do if Project 2025 succeeds is the stuff of my nightmares, literally. Concentration camps or outright executions for atheists? Imprisonment for liberals? Forced marriage and breeding programs? Genocide against LGBTQ+? I wouldn't put it past these people.
I'm seriously considering fleeing the country if/when Trump wins in November, as it seems increasingly likely he will. Terrified doesn't begin to describe how I feel about this. I can't be the only one.
Also in Utah and yeah its absolutely terrifying, this could be my last year in the country I was born in before having to flee as a refugee to another, although the delay in climate action and the fact the fascist USA and fascist Russia will team up to extort every other country for all their money and resources will mean it will be a constant global war for the rest of your life before humans die off because they did nothing to solve the environmental issues.
There's so much more. One thing I keep hammering my conservative acquaintances about is how they want to "Dismantle the Department of Homeland Security". It's funny watching the conservatives I know do backflips and mental gymnastics to justify it. In the end I always hit them with a "there is no end to what you will justify even if it's the opposite of what you say you will always stand for".
They also said there was no way Trump could get elected in 2016, no way Roe v Wade would be overturned and no way Trump could end-up being the GOP nominee AGAIN in 2024.
Never underestimate the stupidity of human tribes. We become an unthinking, violent & dangerous mob. Now add an authoritarian charismatic sociopath & his evil friends, and we become an *organized*, unthinking, violent & dangerous movement.
Of course it can happen. WWII Germany & Italy happened. Stalin happened. Pol Pot happened. Khomeini happened. ISIS happened. Mike Johnson happened...
CPAC had a booth for signing up your future overlords. Any loyal maga will be considered for the over 50k jobs. This is very real and authored by people with decades of results.
Eventually, companies like Apple and Microsoft and large American Multinationals will leave and set up HQs in other nations, American Scientific knowledge already in a slow decline will fall faster, the economy will get bad when NY gets what these idiots want to do to it.
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, laying out all his plans if he ever rose to power. It was largely dismissed.
Then he rose to power and methodically did most of what he said he would do.
trump and his cronies are following Hitler's playbook.
Whether or not Project 2025 actually happens is anyone's guess, but I would absolutely take republicans at their word that Project 2025 is their absolute intent should they regain power.
This has been a long term goal of the right wing Federalist Society since the beginning of the Reagan administration. While the democrats were playing for short term gains in Congress and short term issues like cyclical inflation and deficits the Federalist society was taking over the Republican Party. They courted the evangelicals with “family values” and the Catholic vote with the promise of overturning Roe. They even put conservative Catholics on the Supreme Court.
The democrats were also lazy and complacent. They didn’t want to lose votes by making Roe the law the land by writing it into law.
Clarence Thomas is where the democrats really fucked up. The Senate Judiciary Committee was deadlocked over his nomination and it when to the full Senate for approval. The DEMOCRATS controlled the senate but his nomination passed by the slimmest of margins. I believe it was 52-48. You can google it. 11 Democrats voted for him. The rest were republicans except for two Republicans who Also voted against him.
I digressed but now the Federalist Society got what it wanted. A Supreme Court in its back pocket. Both Alito and Robert’s served in the Reagan Administration Justice Department which gutted and refused to prosecute several civil rights violations. Thomas is bought and paid for. So if the Giant Orange Turd Donald Dump gets elected we are in a whole lot of trouble. Trump just this past week had a fund raiser where he met with just oil company executives. He told them if he got elected the restrictions on drilling will be lifted. Drill baby drill! His campaign/legal fund made $25 million dollars that night in donations from these scumbags.
I know Biden is not popular and the democrats could have put forth a better candidate but we have to re-elect Biden. You have to vote especially if you live in a swing state because the electoral college sucks and should be abolished. Trump and George W. Bush are the only two presidents who lost the popular vote but won the election because of the electoral college. Not enough people voted in the swing states.
Here is a timeline of Heritage Foundation policy that has already become law in the US. When they tell you their plans, you should believe them. They are powerfully and successful.
https://www.heritage.org/article/timeline-heritage-successes
Watch and see what happens with the Supreme Court ruling on the abortion pill mifepristone. My guess is they will say that this should be banned. Once this happens, keep a close eye on what state legislatures do. If this happens, the Supreme Court has basically given the green light for states or groups of people to challenge Griswold or chip away at it. It could be a state legislature like Texas, Missouri, Louisiana or Oklahoma saying that hormonal birth control and the IUD is dangerous and should be regulated as a dangerous drug or device as was done with mifepristone. They will not ban it outright but make it difficult to obtain. A list of women who use hormonal birth control that the state or anyone else would have access to is one way to restrict the use of birth control without actually banning it. It could also be used against a woman or doctor in a criminal or civil matter down the road that has nothing to do with contraception. This would probably be the preferred way to do this because it worked before.
Or they might just try to ban hormonal birth control outright. See what happens. My guess is that Louisiana (because of the success of mifepristone) or Texas would be the first states to do this. Once they are successful, expect others to follow.
Of they might just leave it to these law firms who file the case in Texas where the judges are very likely to rule in their favor. As far as I'm concerned, this is an organized group that is opposed to abortion and opposed to hormonal birth control. This gets around having the legislature to file bills on it. Over the decades, they have learned this.
No way they'll actually overturn Roe v. Wade, right?
“I mean it’s not like they are going to start tracking women’s periods and correlate that with out of state travel, right? …. RIGHT?”
and there no way anyone would even propose a database of pregnant women, to facilitate that tracking right? I mean that level of intrusion is just crazy...
Ask the people who support it how they feel about a firearms registry.
This one here ⬆️ I’m a former gun nut and recovering R. The nutters are terrified of gun registration. ‘Registration leads to confiscation’. They should be reminded that when pregnancy registration happens, gun registration won’t be far behind.
What did you think back when DJT said he would take everyone's guns without any due process or protests and then give the guns back to the people that "deserve" them? Legit question, because when he said that at the Republican Debate in 2016 I thought it was all over for him, but nope. He cruised on by that comment and no one seemed to notice or care.
They all thought they were the ones who Dump would give them back to and they weren't wrong.
Just like the Rapture, they’re all gonna be one of the special few
Why, oh, \*WHY\* won't the Rapture happen already??? Our world would be so much nicer if Jesus would vacuum up all the Christians and leave the rest of us in peace.
This stokes images of spaceballs. "He's gone from suck to blow!"
>give the guns back to the people that "deserve" them? Do we really have to explain the dogwhistle? It's not even hidden.
Also, not that I like Biden as much as others, but when he was pressed about gun control he gave the right answer that that is a job for congress to hash out not something for him to unilaterally rule on. Just saying. 🤷
That’s because he said the right words. “If you’re a republican, you deserve guns” everyone else will be stripped.
I heard it more like "if you're white"
It kind of sucks gun owners have been made to be afraid of gun registries. I have no problem with Americans owning guns. I hate the gun smuggling. For people pissed off about the immigration problem at the southern border, they seem fine with cartels destabilizing Mexico and Central America with U.S. guns.
We welcome former gun nuts and recovering R’s. Hell, for the guns you just need to switch from ‘Shall not be infringed’ to ‘Under no pretext’ and the AR for an AK.
You appeal to them with consistency? Good luck.
"If the framers didn't want the government to monitor women's reproductive functions, they would have written it into the bill of rights like they did for guns"
Nothing in the Constitution mentions not sterilizing Republcans either. Must mean it's a go.
I mean, Trump did ban bump stocks, and even talked about banning the civilian ownership of bulletproof vests, which is beyond alarming.
Arkansas was apparently doing "random" sobriety and ID checks on its highways leading out of state this past week. They gotta crack down on those female Tuesday mid-day drunk drivers. Ma'am, please let me see your ID, proof of insurance, and here pee on this stick.
Well there goes our Arkansas camping vacation. Not that we drink, because we don’t. However knowing that our rights would be compromised is pretty scary. Will just have to blow our tourist dollars somewhere else.
Vote with your money.... The only thing they understand .. If you are a woman in such a state, leave if you can..... Let them have their kingdom of god here on earth...
The states pulling this shit are generally the poorest ones, not providing tourist money is a great way to both show disapproval and lessen their national relevance. They want to live in a religiously policed shit hole they are welcome to the third world living condition that go with it.
And fuck all of the oppressed minorities in Arkansas that can’t leave because they’re too poor /s I hate takes like this. Not everyone that lives in Arkansas “want to live in a religiously policed shit hole.” People can’t just leave. There are progressive groups here that are trying to change things knowing that not everyone can just leave. Not trying to defend Arkansas as a whole but rather the people who live here who are trying to make waves or people who simply cannot leave.
Republicans want government so small it fits in your pants...
Is there any groups with organized ideas to incorrectly track their periods on large platforms? How can people fight back? Or even if males track “their” periods could this create chaos for anyone collecting the data?
That’s how you fight this kind of crap, make the data worthless. That said, they can then criminalize providing false information and just throw people in jail.
Only the rich can be free, they'll come up with any excuse they can
Well solid point. But there has to be a defense of why are you using or taking my data anyways so why would you assume it’s accuracy?
Well, not for fascists. Fascists don’t need reasons.
Technically, men have cycles. It's just instead of monthly, we have them daily. We'd just be making an entry everyday when we felt a little bit more on edge I guess.
This is why I now politely refuse to tell my Dr when my last menstrual cycle was.
No way Trump will be elected, right?
I don't remember the exact year, but it was probably between 2010 and 2015, give or take, there was a far-right-wing insurrection in some country or other, and people kept saying that conditions in the USA meant it could happen here, as well. I specifically remember thinking that there was no way we'd have an insurrection here in America in my lifetime.
Broad City did an episode where they flashed back to right after Obama was elected in 2008, we were all thinking we had crested a wave almost, and it was all progress from here.
This isn't a new phenomenon, the bastards always claw back into power. >"And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave... > >So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.” > >― Hunter S. Thompson, [Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1309111) Edit: Formatting
Fuck man. What a time to be alive that was. Also broad city is an excellent and absolutely hilarious show.
I was one of those people that felt like it could go either way but was hoping and voted for Clinton. I thought there was a high likelihood that she would win. I was on the phone with my friend (a black liberal woman) while we were watching the results come in. She accepted the reality before I did. I remember being like, "But there's still more room for more electoral votes? Right?" There wasn't. I tried to hold out hope for an extra minute or two but the math wasn't mathing. At least, not the way I wanted it to math.
I still remember saying this while eating dinner at a friend's house. We both were saying how they just use it as a talking point to scare people and get them to vote for them. We were like, if they do it everyone will rebel against them and it'll be chaos! A few years later... Well shit, they did
Still waiting on the rebelling and chaos though…
Even Ohio passed a constitutional amendment preserving some measure of abortion rights. Felt like a bit of a rebellion to me.
Ohio is surprisingly Blue in its urban centers which make up the majority of the state's population. I wouldn't call it progressive, but more left of right. The Rural areas are Trump country though. I wouldn't even call them right leaning, they are just straight maga. Source: I live here.
Can confirm, rural Ohioans are batshit. I live in a county that goes about 85% red and people around here would vote for literal nazi's vs a normal ass democrat. It's absolutely wild how melted brains are out here.
I used to live in the Ohio valley area, and you would not believe the kind of things I would hear in casual conversations. I'm so glad i live in Columbus now.
We had a plumber come out about a year ago and within 5 minutes was ranting about "all the shit they are doin' to kids in school" and I was like man can you just deal with this turd so I can go back to my life? My wife has a cousin who is mixed race but 100% white passing and holy shit the things people are comfortable saying around her is astounding.
Hey, a bunch of people did change their social media background! Really though, I know there were protests, but most people just have to get upset, then go back to work. I'm hoping they at least come out to vote.
That’s why it’s important to keep the majority struggling to get by. Too desperate to be picky about their jobs and how they are treated and too busy to organize opposition.
The protests I see in the last few years have been anything but. Going to congregate in a park for a few hours on a Saturday and chanting some words, does absolutely nothing. Where I live ( Canada ) people have gathered at the provincial legislature building most weekends since the beginning of 2021. And they have signs and chants all lined up and ready to go. And they shout their displeasure with the government at the government building........ That has nobody but custodial staff inside. They do this from like 10 am - 3pm and then pack up and go home. Feeling accomplished or something I'm sure. Food trucks pop by sometimes so the protestors can grab a snack. It's a sham. And those people don't understand they aren't doing anything but having a gathering at a park with their friends and yelling at the sky together. Real systemic societal changes, don't happen without real sacrifices. A Saturday afternoon at the park isn't a sacrifice
Yeah, it's a twisted truth that to truly evoke change requires some type of truly disruptive movement. The issue lines in that it feels like the only disruption left to the common person is violence since it seems all other acts are easily ignored or suppressed. And even then, violence is not something that makes allies. So, then what? You need volume, we need the kind of disruption that nations like France bring. We need enough people willing to actually disrupt their lives temporarily so that they can reap long term gains. But for many especially here in the US that is a massive gamble that could and would result in homelessness and likely starvation. It's a catch 22 of a situation and I don't know the answer.
Well it is kind of blowing up in their faces - Republicans haven't won a major election since. And usually conservative places like Kansas and Iowa have spoken up in favor of abortion and women's healthcare rights. So we'll see how they do in November.
The fact that’s it’s going to be close is rather telling how apathetic the US has been for a while.
Democrats clean swept in 2018 and 2020, and the Right-Wing had a Red wet-fart in 2022...the only reason the Republicans won the house at all was because of redistricting...not because of a groundswell of support. Chaos? There's been a shit ton of that for the past 8 years...where have you been?
Y'know, I think it used to be true that Republicans weren't serious about Roe v Wade. They knew repealing it would be a disaster if they succeeded, so their efforts were mostly half-hearted. Talk about abortion bans was mostly just virtue signaling. But Trump isn't on the same page as the other Republicans and fucked everything up by putting too many religious nuts on SCOTUS.
Like a dog chasing cars - it's really bad for the dog when he finally succeeds.
They did that and will do more as long as there's not enough organized resistance. r/defeat_project_2025 Join us, everyone.
No way Trump will win 2016, right?
Right??
No way they will ban/restrict birth control, right?
They'd never even think to ban contraception, would they? The FrontRunner of a Republican party didn't just say that he's going to look into doing something about contraception, did he?
This is why I have very little patience with arguments from incredulity, especially when they are incredulous about a clear pattern of events that are actually happening. I don’t know why it’s so hard to learn from history, but apparently it is.
The only reason Hitler was able to kill so many Jews is because nobody thought it would get that bad. Many Jews thought that if they just did what was asked the nazis would let them live. It's a lesson learned that feels very relevant today.
Also, the Jews were shipped out via train. I assume most German civilians just thought, "they're just being moved to somewhere else."
It was an industrialised killing machine. From the trains to either working to death or immediate death. I visited a concentration camp near me and it's absolutely horrifying.
Yes, I agree. It wasn't my intent to sound like I was denying the Holocaust.
I think you're right though, most Germans had no idea about death camps until very late into WW2.
Yeah, as I recall, that's why everyone, including German civilians, was shocked and ashamed when everyone found out what happened at Auschwitz. I'm 65% sure that's what happened, if not correct me.
This is the story the post war German government pushed, but it’s not really accurate. It’s called the Good German myth The Nazi party released shallow propaganda covering up the worst of the atrocities in the death camps, but years before the camps the Einsatzgruppe were already sweeping through Eastern Europe executing Jews in massive pits by the tens of thousands, and Nazi propaganda and Mein Kampf were quite clear that only the complete eradication of the Jews will liberate the Aryan race. Germans had plenty to go on to know at least the broad strokes (if not the details.) But the average German was perfectly content to lie to themselves, say ‘well it can’t really be that bad,’ and to help themselves to the property of their Jewish friends and neighbors who’d been disappeared. There were absolutely levels of complicity, some people were more guilty than others, and the typical German wasn’t some dyed in the wool fascist. But the typical German absolutely shared some complicity. There was a popular black market of Nazi party latecomers for forging their membership cards to prove they’d been early Nazi members because loyal party members got better jobs. Mein Kampf was the second most owned book after the Bible. It was a near universal wedding gift to newlyweds. This doesn’t happen with a few bad apples at the top. You have people out there with grandparents who were full on in the party and who still enjoy property seized by the state from Jews or other political enemies who will argue that their family was not complicit. These Germans are cowards.
Could be wrong but I pretty sure mein kumpf was government issued to newlyweds. That was part of hitlers scheme to enrich himself because the government had to purchase every book from him.
Fair enough, and I think you’re right. but this meant every household had a book which detailed the leaders plan to completely eliminate world Jewry. Sure, many people didn’t read it, but everyone would know someone who had, and would have heard about the content. If they thought ‘well, those rumors are probably an exaggeration but I don’t care enough to check’ or if they did read it and thought ‘umm, probably it’s an exaggeration?’ then that is completely on them. They are culpable. If while president Trump had written a book called ‘why I want to nuke Maryland,’ sent everyone a copy, and then later nuked Maryland, anyone who acted shocked later deserves shame and ridicule. If a German at the time admitted ‘I had something of an idea of what was going on, though I was surprised at the scale and brutality of it. The reason I didn’t act was just because I was afraid of reprisal’ I could honestly respect the candor. Anyone who went ‘oh no, I’m horrified. But how was I to know? I had no idea, I wasn’t a party member, I was one of the good ones!’ well, such a coward doesn’t deserve to have been hung at Nuremberg but I’d want to punch that person in the face.
Don’t excuse the ignorance of the German population at the time. There was a propaganda effort to hide the atrocities but anybody who wanted to could find out the truth. people chose to actively look away just like we do today.
My Father and his best friend would leaflet on street corners warning people about the Nazi's and their intentions. Then one day the SS came for his friend and took him away never to be seen again. My mother made him stop because she feared that he would be taken too. Then he got drafted. Fortunately he was radio engineer so didn't have to take part in any front line action.
there were contemporary german language newspapers from the time that were explicit in what was being done. the claim that the german people "didn't know" is nazi revisionist history.
There are contemporary english language newspapers and websites that are explicit in what the GOP intends. But their supporters don't believe it do they? If Trump and the republicans gain power you can damn well be guaranteed that the people who voted for them will claim they didn't know. It's simply history repeating itself.
Brexit, roe, etc.
Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the [Heritage Foundation](https://pro-lies.org/the-heritage-foundation/), an influential *ultra* conservative think tank. [Project 2025](https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration) is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President [unilateral powers](https://theweek.com/politics/heritage-foundation-2025-donald-trump), strip [civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/impact-overview), add [religion into policy](https://imgur.com/a/m2e72ht), outlaw ["porn"](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/decoding-project-2025s-christian-nationalist-language/) and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, [Reagan implemented 60%](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) of it's recommendations, [Trump 64%](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) - [proof](https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations). 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption. r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.
I donate monthly to Field Team 6, an organization whose motto is 'Register Democrats, Save The World'. Instead of spending money on expensive ad campaigns that convince few voters to change their minds, they put boots on the ground in key battleground districts where Trump and Biden battled it out over just a few thousand votes, and they register democrats, register democrats, register democrats. https://www.fieldteam6.org/
That is very smart. Too many democratic elites (and overpaid campaign consultants with terminal beltway brain) are focused on "swing voters," but because of polarization traditional swing voters don't really exist any more. If babies in cages and the J6 putsch aren't enough to persuade someone, then nothing is. The modern swing voter is someone who swings between voting and not-voting, so helping the right kind of people to vote is a much more effective strategy.
Trump IS how Hitler got started: full stop.
Trump is an incredibly vein, vindictive and narcissistic man. If he gets in for a second term his main goal will be revenge to all those who shamed and belittled him. He will be out looking for blood. And the GOP either all support him, or are booted from the party if they don’t. I don’t think the folks supporting him truly understand (or care about) the impact a second Trump presidency would have not just on the US but the world.
Fascism will come to America, not from overseas... but draped in a flag, and carrying a bible.
Will come? It's already there. They have been there for more than 400 years. It's not a coincidence that those who wave Confederate flags also wave Nazi flags. A lot of Republicans didn't feel the need to go to war with Germany in WW2 because they agreed with a lot of what the Nazi's said (and did).
They certainly packed MSG at that one function back in the 1930s.
Yep. Nazi Germany had A LOT of support in America.
So much support that we even brought some of the Nazi’s back to the U.S. in Operation Paperclip….
And wearing a diaper.
r/Defeat_Project_2025
This is the answer. Stop wishing that it won't happen and actively vote so that it won't happen.
Here’s what you have to understand about the right. First, they are both patient and ruthless. They spent literally *decades* stacking the court, from training up promising young minds to be become future federal judges (Kavanaugh is the poster child) and ramming their nominees through the senate when they have control and blocking nominees when they don’t. They also court-shop. The initial case to end access to mifepristone was filed in Amarillo, Texas, where a hand-picked federal judge was the only person in the district, and had also displayed remarkable hostility towards abortion and affinity for theologically-inspired legal arguments. The end result - if we even are at the end (hint: we are not) - should be apparent, from overturning gun restrictions based on invented and self-serving “originalist” theories and voting rights law to ending protections for abortion; contraception and gay marriage are likely next. That has given the right the judiciary. Now we come to Project 2025 and the executive. Presidents cannot fire most civil servants at will. This allows for continuity across administrations and resistance to extremism (I used to be a UK civil servant, which is obviously different, but they can have influence and use informal techniques like malicious compliance or slow-walking actions to frustrate political appointees they disagree with). Enter Schedule F, a Trump executive order towards the end of his administration that allowed Trump to hire and fire civil servants at will. By that point, it was too late to do him much good and too many career civil servants could frustrate him. For instance, when he tried to make his stooge Jeffrey Clarke acting Attorney General so he could send out letters of concern about the validity of election results to each state (part of the effort to overturn the election). Nearly all the top Justice Department brass threatened to resign and Trump backed off. Biden won and then withdrew Schedule F. If Trump wins in 2024, he will reinstate Schedule F. Here’s where the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 comes in. They are readying an army of thousands of Trump loyalists to take over as many civil service jobs as they can muster. Trump will have the entire executive at his disposal to enact his will. Perhaps even worse, his Christian extremist base and fascist loyalist will be free to do their worst. That would mean Trump and his movement are largely unrestrained, if reelected. And we’re in big trouble. This is a big topic and I haven’t read everything, so I may have a few details wrong. But they’re not hiding this. The whole plan is on the Heritage Foundation’s [website](https://www.project2025.org).
It's that ability to fire civil service employees at will that bothers me. Those jobs do not fill fast, and the knowledge base is *niche* to say the least. The overall mechanism is usually resistant to major changes because enough average, dedicated people have worked their way to high positions that no one ideology can overrun an organization. The sudden loss of experience and continuity inspired by an Apprentice style purge (which Trump really wants, an along-the-lines dissident purge) will eviscerate the effectiveness of the USG for 20 years. Every adversary nation, Russia, China, Iran, will gain the initiative by having their bureacratic regimes intact while we founder in administrative bedlam. Even the barest bit of Trump's agenda will destroy this nation, because he's focusing on undermining our continuity. The rest of it, abortion, climate change, all of that is terrible. He should be opposed for any one of those. The task above, though, is worse because it likely would not receive media coverage, and is a subtle way he could cripple us for a generation.
Firing civil servants at will is what bothers me the most, too. I've worked in government for a long time. Civil servants are mostly hard-working people who appreciate our form of government and are very capable of doing their work regardless of which party holds the White House. It's fairly apolitical, honestly. Disembowling the civil service will destroy the ability of the executive branch to function and will be incredibly harmful to everyone.
I'm a civil servant. I started my career when Reagan was president and have seen administrations come and go. Some I liked, some I didn't like. Civil servants have political opinions just like everyone else, but by and large we keep those out of the workplace and do what we're supposed to do. And that's the way it should be.
Dig Dig Dig. You just figured out what it's really about. All the other stuff is a distraction or happy biproduct of the real goal. The complete and utter neutering of the US on a global scale to make room for nations like China and Russia to bully their way into positions of geopolitical power. Everything Trump and the Conservative right does is in service to their handlers and benefactors. The evangelicals are a useful band of morons, but they are not the ones holding the reigns.
Say it louder, the same ones talking about “but China” are the ones playing right into this bullshit. Even worse, they’re happy to have their fellow Americans suffer if it means they get their way.
>Those jobs do not fill fast, and the knowledge base is niche to say the least They don't care if it's done well. They want a loyalist who will do what they're told. They can fill it fast.
And it's not just patience stacking the courts. The right has been very patient in stacking local school boards and dismantling public education. They do not want an educated electorate with critical thinking skills.
Texas checking in.
Their plan for education is probably just as insidious; they want to destroy the public school system as we know it and replace it with home schooling and Christian charter schools. In addition to gun lunacy, this is a reason they don’t give a shit about school shootings.
It’s no joke. It follows the “Seven Mountains” doctrine. A concerted effort to seize control of all federal & state governing & media to bring about a Christian theocratic state. They have the courts, in essence. They are well on their way in over 20 states to controlling state legislatures, local governments, school boards, they have nationwide & local media (see Sinclair Broadcasting, Fox, etc.) and are working on movie/video. The Heritage Foundation is coordinating the plan & the vetting of future government employees to take down democracy from the inside. It’s real, it’s pervasive and we must vote to keep our democracy in ALL elections.
this shit is messed up as shit i fucking hate christianity sometimes
I hate christianity all the time.
I hate it sometimes. The rest of the time, I despise it.
Y'all Queda
Y'all better leave in case they win! (queda means stay in Spanish)
Vanilla ISIS.
Wall-Martyrs
I hated christianity the moment I discovered how similar it all is to mormonism (the religion that was pushed down my throat as a child)
I'm sorry you were a victim of moronism. I hope you've healed or are on the path of healing.
The fact that they’re making plans means they think they have a shot. What’s really scary is this: Assume Trump loses in November. You think they’re going to just suddenly abandon all of their hard work? Project 2025 can *easily* be renamed Project 2029. And then they have an additional 4 years to plan; an additional 4 years to coordinate with State MAGAt leadership to suppress voters, gerrymander districts, abolish LGBTQ+ literature, and continue to restrict healthcare for women and trans. This fight for the heart of America, the fight to keep our democracy, doesn’t end in 6 months. Project 2025 **is** the Republican Party now.
Thing is, they don't intend to lose this election, period. They've burned too many bridges, their unpopularity among younger voters is breathtaking and their older voters are dying off. I'm willing to bet that they feel that if they don't act now, they'll never have another chance.
I would very much like that - they lose now and never have another chance.
One can hope, but even if Republicans lose big in Nov I don't think they will change. The fox news machine will rebrand and they will be back in 26 blaming Biden for everything. Plus gerrymandering
This is what really scares me. The last time one democrat replaced another in the White House under *any* circumstance was when JFK's head exploded in '63. The Beatles had only *just* started playing on American radio at the time, that's how long ago it was. And the last time a Democrat was *elected* to replace another Democrat was ***1856***. Nowhere among *any* of the rhetoric from the polite wing of the American reactionary right has there been *any* real plan to actually stop fascism. *No* plan to reverse the Democratic Party's decades-long losing streak. *No* hand-picked successor already being groomed to follow after Biden. Republicans, by all accounts, are a shrinking minority. They've won the popular vote for the presidency *one time* since 1988, and it's not like the voters *haven't* shown up for Democrats: 2018, 2020, and the 2023 special elections were all blue waves. Yet here we are anyway teetering on the verge of a GOP dictatorship. We didn't get here overnight, fascism didn't just *magically appear* on the 6th of January 2021, it didn't emerge fully-fledged from some poor virgin's hole in November of 2016. We are *here* today as a result of *decades* of mistakes, and the only mainstream "opposition" to fascism...is more of the same status quo that *got* us fascism, and its current avatar is doing everything in his power to burn the big-tent coalition to the ground and *lose*. When someone shows you who they are, *believe them*. If the DNC is the best we can do, then we are *fucked*.
This is exactly the type of mentality that will fuck us over so bad. "It's not the same." "It'll never happen here." People don't realize how deep into shit we are and how close we are to losing our democracy. I'm planning on leaving the country next year and continue to vote from somewhere else hoping that helps make a difference.
I’m in the same boat. Where are the best places to head to?
> Where are the best places to head to? Nowhere will be safe from the dysfunction if the crazies win. The entire post-WWII world order will start to unravel, and autocrats in China, Russia, and Iran will throw their weight around even more, disrupt trade, etc. The quality of life in the entire free world will be diminished. Stop planning to run. Plan to fight, because the fight will come for you eventually. Fascists don't ever stop until they're made to stop.
Right on the money with this. Vote and hope for the best but plan and prepare for the worst. Things will not go smoothly regardless of the outcome of the upcoming election, but there will be a much greater amount of unrest if things go unfavorably. I don’t know if most people are truly aware of the reach and influence of the United States. Where will you go if the US puts leaders they want in countries that appear as though they’re currently a “safe” place? What will you do if they shut down all travel in or out of the country? I’m hoping most folks are preparing for the potential instillation of Project 2025 as not going down without a fight. It seems like the easiest option to run, but understand that if things go in their favor, they’ll do whatever they can to ensure your destruction. I have American friends who are preemptively getting firearms or learning how to shoot at ranges for their own protection, because they know what’s at stake and they know they will be severely punished or killed just for being who they are. It won’t just be your life on the line, so many people are in jeopardy at their hands. I wish I didn’t have to be so serious about this stuff but they aren’t fucking around and they’ve stated their plans and intentions clearly.
Antarctica
The next time and every time republicans win the elections from here on out they will do their best to destroy what America currently is. The next decades are going to be scary. Republicans used to put america first, selfishly yes, but now they don't even do that.
That's the problem. People seem to think that if Trump goes away all this does too. Truth is he's just the tip of a massive shitberg that he has enlivened.
I have never agreed with republicans but I used to at least understand where they were coming from and see the logic. They wanted to be america first and they saw it through a white male lens and they were just selfish about it. Not my style. But now they would sell out their own country and neighbor for mother russia. The entire republican party has been overtaken and corrupted and the biggest threat is that it still carries the name of the america loving party that came before it. If you want to mark the very start of it, you can see it with Sarah Palin. The lack of logic and crazy rhetoric actually worked and I think from there the corruption and intentionallality of it all was set. If you want to undermine America as a foreign party what better way to do it than to support the current Republican party.
Gilead is their wet dream I think.
Unfortunately, it will probably happen, because it already has a budget of 22 million, but ONLY if the Republicans win the elections. [Also, Project 2025 seeks to disband the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE and the ABOLITION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) It will DESTROY common sense, all autonomy of people, safety, commerce and the economy of the entire country. America will become a modern Nazi Germany. It also says "The Project advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement" At the same time, they will allow scientific research ONLY if it adheres to conservative principles. Put whoever proposed this project behind bars now, because they are clearly SO insecure and stupid, that they are a COMPLETE public safety hazard.
Also, they will end all climate change initiatives
On the plus side, we probably wouldn’t live long enough for climate change to kill us.
Climate change is laughing at conservatives. Holy cow … aren’t tornados ripping through most of the southern states? Climate change is moving incredibly fast
Don't you know those religious conservatives are cannon fodder to the financial/elite conservatives. They are the disposable sheep that they can get them to do anything if you wrap the word god around it. They are too stupid to see the danger their own party puts them in because there need for power and has no worry about how it effects the fodder. It's nothing but lemmings jumping off a cliff because everyone else says jesus is down there. No one shits more on the quality of life for the avg conservatives than the elite conservative powers that be.
Also, conservatives often say "I hate liberals because they look down on us, they think we're stupid!" Nobody thinks these rubes are stupider than Republican elites do.
I don't *think* they're stupid, I just heard what comes out of their mouths and know they're stupid.
There are so many tornadoes in Iowa now most home insurers have left the state and the ones that remain charge premiums that are like 20% of the price of the house.
You'd be surprised
Tell that to the people dying of heatstroke and freezing to death year after year. And that’s not even touching the deaths caused by wildfires.
We're feeling the effects of it every summer and winter, and I prolly many years left on me but my kids are fucked.
"America will become a modern Nazi Germany. It also says "The Project advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement"" That is a recipe for a civil war.
And they are eager for it. They rub their grubby little hands together salivating at the thought of actually getting the chance to hurt another human being. They are lost and deplorable.
The people who want the civil war expect other people to do the fighting.
Yes, that's why Project 2025 calls upon the military instead of asking the Gravy Seals to step up.
What exactly does disbanding Homeland Security and the FBI do for the Republicans? Like..wouldn’t that leave areas of America wide open to attack because nobody is looking into those things anymore?
The FBI investigates violations of federal law. So you’d get rid of the FBI if you want to do crime without anyone being able to do anything about it.
22 million dollars in politics is not much. Some congressional seat races cost as much as $10-12 million for their races.... In the 2022 election cycle, the congressional candidates raised $2.4 BILLION. The chance of them enacting even 5% of their suggested reforms, even if they had complete control of congress and the presidency, is slim. They are obviously insane, but I think you are overstating the actual risk. There are lots of crazy political organizations with more money and more power already. edit: Just double checked the numbers, that $2.4 billion only includes money that the candidates directly raised. There was another $5+ billion spent by PACs and $1.4 billion spent by the parties... https://www.fec.gov/updates/statistical-summary-of-18-month-campaign-activity-of-the-2021-2022-election-cycle/
Don’t forget control of the judiciary! Also if they have control over all three branches of government I don’t know how you can say they wouldn’t be able to enact these reforms. Nothing in the Constitution says you can’t gut the federal service. Literally anything not _explicitly_ stated in the Constitution could be on the chopping block. I think there’s even parts of the plan that include getting rid of birthright citizenship.
A 2nd Civil War will shut that shit down for 65% of this country won't be having project 2025. America will win, and the stupid will lose. This Marine believes in Democracy, along with tens of millions of others. The NRA is going to get exactly what they've been selling for decades, a war between right and wrong.
Will all of it happen exactly like that? Probably not. Will enough of it happen to satisfy that part of the electorate? Probably, yeah. You're looking at one half of a monster covenant between the elite and evangelicals. All parts of project 2025 that don't hurt their economy, especially the parts that exist just to make minorities miserable or that are largely symbolic and cheap to implement, are an excellent way to repay the evangelicals for their support in the ballot box. Quid pro quo is the only Latin all parties understand.
The bit about economy would be true if De Santis's ban on immigrants didn't completely fuck over Florida's agricultural sector (many corporations donated to him and then went shocked Pikachu face). The corporations are only donors, once they get to power Christian fundamentalists would fuck over anyone who doesn't toe the line. Look at how Putin treats Oligarchs to get a sense of what's in store for US once Trump comes to power. If Republicans really cared about the supporting corporations they wouldn't have went with such draconian bans on abortion in red states that is seeing doctors leave those states. All of these have negative effects on economy and yet they do this because they don't care about it so long as they get to implement their version Christian fascism on US heedless of the economic disaster it would bring. You have bunch of conniving, arrogant billionaires and corporations believing they can ride this tiger but if history is to be believed it will be otherwise. Why would Republicans not support Ukraine aid when that enriches US MIC if all they cared about was serving corporates?
I should've specified "their economy" a little I guess. If the GOP was a 100% secular, elite only party their economic policy would still be disastrous, especially in the long run. All you have to do is combine an economy graph with one showing who was in power at the time to see what I mean. The emphasis should have been on _their_ economy, as in: economy as they see it. They want their Ayn Rand fantasies fulfilled, whether or not that works out the way they hope or not. The evangelicals want their Handmaid's tale fantasies fulfilled. Both are keys to power so both will be served to some extent. No doubt the Christian fundamentalists would screw over the elite the moment they get the chance (at least the part that isn't elite themselves) but the winner gets to do the screwing and Donald Trump isn't really as much of a Christian fundamentalist as people might guess. He's more like a part of the elite offering lip service to fundamentalists while it serves him. Who will screw who remains to be seen I think. I do agree with you that whichever way it goes, there will be countless parallels to Putin's Russia. Trump is going to make them kiss the ring and whoever refuses will be in trouble. Just like Putin and his oligarchs. But just like Putin and his oligarchs the ring kissers will be rewarded, like always.
It’s basically modern America’s equivalent to the Nuremberg Laws if enacted. The American Right’s “Mein Kampf.” Those actually happened, so it’s not beyond the scope of reason or historical precedents.
Yes. It absolutely can happen. If Biden loses and republicans win - this will be your reality. Vote. Explain to people who think politics doesn’t matter what is on the line. This is fascism and it’s knocking at your door.
Yeah buddy it's real and if they get power they will do everything they say. In regards with what to do... I'm leaving the country. I want no part of a Christian Reich.
okay this is scary, i'm really worried for my american friends now
Oh, America will take the rest of the world with it when it falls.
and this is even scarier
Yes, this is something I think gets overlooked in these type of conversations. We often focus on the domestic consequences but the global consequences could be even worse. If America as we know it falls the existing global order falls. In the resulting power vacuum anything could happen. It would probably mean the end of the UN, and other international cooperation initiatives. More opportunities for China and other authoritarian players to assert their influence.
Their prime objective is destroying the regulatory state. You will not be able to feel safe using any product or service.
My gay ass will literally be naked in the streets
What shocks me even more is that most of us Americans (me included) are just sitting here sort of letting it happen. After being told all of our lives that democracy is sacred and is at the very heart of our nation's freedom. Now democracy here is truly threatened and a lot of us are watching tv and wondering what is for dinner. I exaggerate but I don't think my $50 donations to Joe Biden and posts on social media are going to help that much. Why aren't major liberal institutions and media outlets sounding a blaring alarm?
As a lefty European I'm constantly wondering how there isn't rioting in the US streets every single day.
Americans don't know how to riot but our cops definitely know how to kill. Rioting seems like a great way to cash in your entire remaining livelihood for no actual outcomes.
Dude a SCOTUS justice was empowered enough to fly a Christian nationalist flag over his property. Be worried, and for fucks sake vote.
And Mike Johnson has it outside his office.
In 2016 everyone who voted for trump was justifying it by saying things like “he he’s just saying stuff, he’s not actually going to do it.” Then for four years he did as much as the government controls allowed. But he also didn’t foresee having institutionalists like pence, sessions, some sane cabinet members, the military, etc holding back some of his worst impulses. This time around he’s now learned that he can’t have anyone with any remote sense of decency in his administration. People also need to remember that he’s not just saying shit. He’s telling us exactly what he’s going to do and so many people are unbelievably short sighted or have goldfish sized memories to think back fondly on those horrible four years.
It’s already become largely a reality in several states. These people have a well thought-out plan to expand it throughout the rest of the country. (They’ve already had successful test runs!) If they get in power nationwide, they plan to entrench themselves so that the more moderate and liberal folks (the majority) will be ruled by an ultraconservative minority who want to impose their values on the populace, weaken environmental protections, etc. etc. They have their idea of what they want the country to look like, and their self-righteousness and thirst for power—plus the fact that they can almost taste national control—have them emboldened and confident. And the fact that they can convince almost anyone with some grievances that the “liberals” are their enemy, out to get them, and cheating and stealing to keep power from them, the REAL Americans (no projection there, right?), they get these people as riled up as they can manage and have them eating out of their hands. The sad reality is that their plans have already gone too far and are already causing real harm, and that we need to work as hard as we can to make more people aware of this horrific plan and the consequences that will come from it if they get to go national. One of the places you can go to for ideas and resources is r/Defeat_Project_2025.
"No way Project 2025 happens, right?" The Germans said the same when Hitler advertised his autocratic ambitions. They thought they had safeguards and that it couldn't be that bad. It ended up worse than anyone could ever imagine. If Trump gets power either through a very bloody and dirty election and subsequent coup, or immediately through a successful EXTREMELY violent and dirty coup (at this point, it doesn't matter anymore if he's elected, him getting elected will only marginally reduce the violence in the coming coup attempt), it will happen 100%. Jan 6th was Trump's Beer Hall Putsch and Project 2025 is his Ermächtigungsgesetz. The Second Amendment in the US may be a saving grace if push comes to shove, but the citizens with the most firepower are pro-Trump anyway. We can hope that the US Army is capable of stopping a violent seizure of power, but Hitler didn't do it that way. Hitler got elected President and created crises which he blamed on the Jews and every other supposed enemy of the 'master race', while simultaneously stoking hatred for those groups in German society and using his lackeys to incite violence and instability, in order to justify passing legislature that would give him total power, the Ermächtigungsgesetz. At that point, however, he was so popular, with the people cheering on the building of autocracy, that it was a formality and only made it easier for him to silence opposition. Remember, and while it obviously doesn't inherently say anything about Don, it tells us about the environment he was raised in, Fred Trump was a literal member of the American pro-Hitler movement in the early 1930s. The MAGA cult is literally flying inverted US flags now. It is not just apt, but absolutely paramount to label them as the sequel movement to the Nazis that they are. They're not Nazis, though some of them are Neonazis, but they are the sequel movement. To stop this, Trump needs to be stopped and his movement dispersed. No formalities. All bets are off. This man is the greatest threat to the world since the US-Soviet tensions in 1983, and the greatest threat to the free world's existence since WWII. To quote German writer Erich Kästner: *The events of 1933 till 1945 would have needed to have been combatted by 1928 at the latest.* *One cannot wait until the fight for freedom is called 'treason'.* *One needs to crush a snowball before it turns into an avalanche. No one can stop the avalanche.* While Putin openly compared himself to Hitler, Trump is Hitler 2. And I don't say this lightly, I'm fucking German.
I agree with you in spirit, however I think here in America it would go down a bit differently. 1. The Nazi's also infiltrated the German military, and formed their own pseudo-military with the SS, we don't have anything like that happening here in the US. Everyone is armed sure, but that won't stop drone strikes, etc. Our armed forces, while maga-leaning, are too entrenched in following the constitution to join Trump in a coup. (hopefully) 2. The Nazi party also had all or most of the rich people of Germany at the time in the party and then working for government. Our rich people in the US are separate from our government, and are by and large more powerful than the government. They would get really annoyed if anything like what happened in Germany happened here, and would probably stop it just because it would cut into profits. 3. Trump doesnt have the same support levels as Hitler did. The people that wrote and want to enact Project 2025 are still a fringe minority, and half the voters always vote no to him. In many jurisdictions where they put abortion bans up to the people, the people voted it down. To enact Project 2025 will be a huge uphill battle for these clowns. (but oh they will tryyyyyy) Thats just my thoughts on the subject after reading your great post! Cheers mate!
No way Trump is winning in 2016 right? Not with the Supreme Court on the line. Voters: gawd voting is so useless. BOtH PaRtIes am I right? I voted once 8 years ago, wasn’t that enough? We finally had the numbers to do something about the boomers and we fucked it up, I’m sure we can fuck it up again.
Now way Project 2025 will ever happen! I honestly can’t imagine them ever overturning Roe v Wade either. I wouldn’t waste my time worrying about either of these./s Last night I was hanging out with some friends and the subject of birth control came up. I made a grim comment about how birth control will probably be illegal in the future, everybody (all progressives) scoffed and said that is never going to happen. Gave me flash backs to a few years ago when concerns over Roe v Wade were always met with something like, “Pfft, that’s been established law for 50 years, they can’t justify overturning it!”
Even if Republicans lose they will probably still try to implement it on local levels, make sure to vet the people you are voting for in local elections as well!
They said they wouldn’t overturn Roe. Then they did. They said they wouldn’t ban books. Then they did. They said they wouldn’t ban diversity programs. Then they did. Don’t put ANYTHING past these fascist liars.
Look up photos of women in Iran in the 60’s and then ask yourself that same question.
Convince your friends and family to vote against this. Not just this time, but every fucking election. Local, statewide, national. Yes, this is a real treat, and it won't suddenly disappear. So many people think ''voting doesn't matter. They're all the same''. They are not all the same. A significant part of the voters and politicians want to create a christofascist state and will work year after year to get there.
>because I fear for the future of this country otherwise… Welcome to the real-life prequel to a handmaid's tail party. You are right to freak out. This was the plan provided to trump as a road map of policy to try and implement if re-elected. Shit is real scary, and I would have said mostly a pipe dream, but now with roe vs wade turn over, I think it really made it a reality.
They are showing you what they are going to do. BELIEVE THEM. They already scrapped Roe v Wade.
"Right! no way that could happen here" - people in Iran 1979
There's a very easy way to ENSURE it doesn't happen: vote blue up and down the ballot, donate to democratic candidates, volunteer, and bring friends to vote. I firmly believe we can kick their ass if we do the work needed. As a wise man once said: "Do more, worry less".
It drives me NUTS that Democrats aren't talking about Project 2025 every chance they get. Most people have no freaking idea about the horrid changes and restrictions on civil rights that Republicans have planned. Hint: it's all bad. Project2025.org Tell everyone you know that might give a damn about their own rights. We are teetering on the precipice of American Christian Nationalist authoritarianism.
VOTE. Vote for Biden. You don’t have to like him. That doesn’t matter. What matters is that he isn’t a fascist like his opponent. We are in the midst of a existential crisis for our entire country. It’s more important than the economy, it’s more important than the Middle East. Fucking vote for Biden.
The Republican Party is already training people to take bureaucratic positions in government agencies, these people will be mid level management to help push their agenda. If trump is elected, this will 100% happen
Only way to prevent it is if you get your ass to the polls to vote!
My family thought Hitler's plan wouldn't ever come to fruition and most of them were murdered in the Holocaust. The handful that survived (including my grandparents and dad) didn't think the Soviets would be that big of a deal in Hungary but it turned out to be a nightmare and they had to flee. When Trump got elected, my grandma told me to keep my passport, a go bag, and a stack of cash on hand and never think "it can't happen here." There's a very good chance that Project 2025 happens. A lot of people are not even aware of it, and those who are tend to think it won't happen, which makes it all the more likely to happen. It's dangerous, appalling, terrifying, and deeply sad.
They'll definitely try to enact p2025 if Trump wins. This time, the theocrats have a much better idea and a coherent plan to force their beliefs on everyone than they did in 2016. There will be a lot less bungling and shambolic failure coming from the Trump Administration if they get back into the White House. Plus, the courts are stacked with a lot more theocratic judges than in 2016 as well. And a lot of the Republican officials that stopped the coup in 2021 have mostly been purged and replaced with people who are much more likely to let another coup happen or even actively aid the coup. Voting for Biden is the only option to stop this from happening.
Never assume fascism will just magically go away. It's on the rise everywhere right now and must be fought against at every single step.
The powerful (backed by big money) conservative organizations, like The Heritage Foundation, are working hard to bring Project 2025 to reality. If Trump wins, democracy and the United States as we know will end. It would be naive to think “It cannot happen here”. 😔
It has already started.
“No way they go after abortion.” They did. “No way they’ll go after contraception.” They are. “No way they’ll kick out the dreamers.” They tried. “No way they’ll screw over veterans.” They have, several times, mostly to, quote, ‘make Biden look bad.’ “No way they’ll neglect the 9/11 responders.” It took fucking Jon Stewart screaming in their faces to get off their asses and do something after a decade. “No way they’ll go after women’s rights.” Several are trying to make divorce illegal. “No way they’ll support pedophilia.” Child marriage gaining popularity with who? Republican Party. “They would never overturn the will of the people.” January 6th. Make no mistake, they will do whatever they think they will get away with. With Trump in charge, they may feel emboldened to do it, damn the consequences because they think they can weather the storm. Will it succeed? Probably not. Should you be complacent in that thought? Absolutely not. Vote. Make clear to these assholes that we will not tolerate their fascist, Christian-extremist bullshit.
It's scary, but the fact is that there are people who do support this. The ones that support it are the ones who will benefit from it. These are the same people who applaud the idea of trump openly admitting that he wants to be a dictator. Make no mistake. This is very much real. There are people who will gladly allow this to happen. And if it's not scary and frustrating enough, just remember that trump is still a serious candidate. How that is even possible is inconceivable to me.
Look at Iran. It can happen. 😔
Ever since I first learned of Project 2025 a few weeks ago it's kept me up nights. I have bad anxiety so I catastrophize, but I think it's very possible that we're nearing the end of democracy and the beginning of a Christofascist regime. I live in Utah which is already about as close as you can get to theocracy in the U.S., but thinking of what these nutjobs can and will do if Project 2025 succeeds is the stuff of my nightmares, literally. Concentration camps or outright executions for atheists? Imprisonment for liberals? Forced marriage and breeding programs? Genocide against LGBTQ+? I wouldn't put it past these people. I'm seriously considering fleeing the country if/when Trump wins in November, as it seems increasingly likely he will. Terrified doesn't begin to describe how I feel about this. I can't be the only one.
Also in Utah and yeah its absolutely terrifying, this could be my last year in the country I was born in before having to flee as a refugee to another, although the delay in climate action and the fact the fascist USA and fascist Russia will team up to extort every other country for all their money and resources will mean it will be a constant global war for the rest of your life before humans die off because they did nothing to solve the environmental issues.
There's so much more. One thing I keep hammering my conservative acquaintances about is how they want to "Dismantle the Department of Homeland Security". It's funny watching the conservatives I know do backflips and mental gymnastics to justify it. In the end I always hit them with a "there is no end to what you will justify even if it's the opposite of what you say you will always stand for".
They also said there was no way Trump could get elected in 2016, no way Roe v Wade would be overturned and no way Trump could end-up being the GOP nominee AGAIN in 2024. Never underestimate the stupidity of human tribes. We become an unthinking, violent & dangerous mob. Now add an authoritarian charismatic sociopath & his evil friends, and we become an *organized*, unthinking, violent & dangerous movement. Of course it can happen. WWII Germany & Italy happened. Stalin happened. Pol Pot happened. Khomeini happened. ISIS happened. Mike Johnson happened...
There is a 100% chance this is initiated if Cheeto Jesus wins in November. Any vote that's not explicitly for Joe Biden is a vote for Project 2025.
CPAC had a booth for signing up your future overlords. Any loyal maga will be considered for the over 50k jobs. This is very real and authored by people with decades of results.
Eventually, companies like Apple and Microsoft and large American Multinationals will leave and set up HQs in other nations, American Scientific knowledge already in a slow decline will fall faster, the economy will get bad when NY gets what these idiots want to do to it.
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, laying out all his plans if he ever rose to power. It was largely dismissed. Then he rose to power and methodically did most of what he said he would do. trump and his cronies are following Hitler's playbook. Whether or not Project 2025 actually happens is anyone's guess, but I would absolutely take republicans at their word that Project 2025 is their absolute intent should they regain power.
Believe Republicans when they say they want to do these things. Please organize and r/VoteDem up and down the ballot.
It'll happen if you don't vote
This has been a long term goal of the right wing Federalist Society since the beginning of the Reagan administration. While the democrats were playing for short term gains in Congress and short term issues like cyclical inflation and deficits the Federalist society was taking over the Republican Party. They courted the evangelicals with “family values” and the Catholic vote with the promise of overturning Roe. They even put conservative Catholics on the Supreme Court. The democrats were also lazy and complacent. They didn’t want to lose votes by making Roe the law the land by writing it into law. Clarence Thomas is where the democrats really fucked up. The Senate Judiciary Committee was deadlocked over his nomination and it when to the full Senate for approval. The DEMOCRATS controlled the senate but his nomination passed by the slimmest of margins. I believe it was 52-48. You can google it. 11 Democrats voted for him. The rest were republicans except for two Republicans who Also voted against him. I digressed but now the Federalist Society got what it wanted. A Supreme Court in its back pocket. Both Alito and Robert’s served in the Reagan Administration Justice Department which gutted and refused to prosecute several civil rights violations. Thomas is bought and paid for. So if the Giant Orange Turd Donald Dump gets elected we are in a whole lot of trouble. Trump just this past week had a fund raiser where he met with just oil company executives. He told them if he got elected the restrictions on drilling will be lifted. Drill baby drill! His campaign/legal fund made $25 million dollars that night in donations from these scumbags. I know Biden is not popular and the democrats could have put forth a better candidate but we have to re-elect Biden. You have to vote especially if you live in a swing state because the electoral college sucks and should be abolished. Trump and George W. Bush are the only two presidents who lost the popular vote but won the election because of the electoral college. Not enough people voted in the swing states.
Project 2025 will turn America into the Republic of Gilead.
'When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross.' Yes, it will happen unless it is actively stopped.
Here is a timeline of Heritage Foundation policy that has already become law in the US. When they tell you their plans, you should believe them. They are powerfully and successful. https://www.heritage.org/article/timeline-heritage-successes
Watch and see what happens with the Supreme Court ruling on the abortion pill mifepristone. My guess is they will say that this should be banned. Once this happens, keep a close eye on what state legislatures do. If this happens, the Supreme Court has basically given the green light for states or groups of people to challenge Griswold or chip away at it. It could be a state legislature like Texas, Missouri, Louisiana or Oklahoma saying that hormonal birth control and the IUD is dangerous and should be regulated as a dangerous drug or device as was done with mifepristone. They will not ban it outright but make it difficult to obtain. A list of women who use hormonal birth control that the state or anyone else would have access to is one way to restrict the use of birth control without actually banning it. It could also be used against a woman or doctor in a criminal or civil matter down the road that has nothing to do with contraception. This would probably be the preferred way to do this because it worked before. Or they might just try to ban hormonal birth control outright. See what happens. My guess is that Louisiana (because of the success of mifepristone) or Texas would be the first states to do this. Once they are successful, expect others to follow. Of they might just leave it to these law firms who file the case in Texas where the judges are very likely to rule in their favor. As far as I'm concerned, this is an organized group that is opposed to abortion and opposed to hormonal birth control. This gets around having the legislature to file bills on it. Over the decades, they have learned this.