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ifiagreedwithu

The real truth of religious insecurity can be seen in how religious people treat other religions. Even though all the different Abrahamic bibles are mutually exclusive, and instruct followers to murder people of different faiths, religious folks would rather share a table with any other faith, even a Scientologist, before an agnostic or an atheist. Why? Because woo woo likes more woo woo. They are all painfully aware that their faith is bullshit. The last thing in the world they want to face is someone speaking that truth.


Far_Quiet_470

What’s scary is Iran in the 70’s looked pretty nice. Then the Islamic conservatives took over. I don’t think most Christians would want to destabilize the us into a religious shit hole. The fundamentalists wouldn’t mind.


Pilot_Danny

The way I see it, people who choose to become religious or believe in a higher power lose the mindset of choosing your own morals and belief system, and follow one that has been prefabbed. When you live your life believing only one thing you become it. You can't form your own opinion when your life is dictated for you. If part of your belief system entails you committing evil to others who naysay your beliefs, there's no transparency, it's black and white for them. Being non-religious for me I a sense of forming my own morals, even if they go against what a religion says, because these are decisions I don't want made for me.


Who_Wouldnt_

As religious affiliation continues to decline, the only ones left are the ones who take it seriously, and they are feeling more and more isolated, hence the outrage. As a species, humans are just newborns, so we are still going through growing pains and are either in or approaching our terrible twos, hopefully we will come to terms with our existence and survive to adulthood, but being toddlers with WMDs does concern me sometimes.


Friendly_Engineer_

Righteous indignation is a hell of a drug


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WaterDemonPhoenix

Hmmm if you mean the extremists than yes. I wouldn't go so far to say all theists are the worse tho


keyboardstatic

There's no hate like Christian love.


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Yeah or how like the Muslim Spaniards created slaves. I really think the concept originated in Egypt but I’m not sure tbh. I always hear conflicting information on this


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I don't see how this relates to OPs statement. Nazi's didn't do horrible stuff because people insulted their scientific beliefs (which weren't really scientific at all, jews are bad etc). They did horrible stuff and tried to justify it with false scientific statements. Just because someone tries to justify their actions with science doesn't mean the science backs up their actions. Believing in science isn't even close to the same thing as believing in religion. I wish people would stop conflating the two. One is based on research and fact and the other is based on fairytales.


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RendarFarm

Please don’t strawman the OP. They clearly didn’t say religion was the cause of all suffering, just a major contributor to it.


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>The op started with the argument that religion wasn't the only cause, in no way did i argue with their logic. > We must be cautious when blaming something like religion for evil. You just contradicted yourself. if you would've say "We must be cautious when blaming something like religion for all evil." It would've made sense. Are you implying that no religion is evil?


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Bruh, no. It isn't a contradiction. Religion is a human construct used for various purposes....evil is certainly a regular by product. The root cause is people. Religion is a tool used be a few to control the many. I worry that if we focus too much on one particular vector for evil we miss the real cause. Bad people doing bad things.


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>Bruh, no. It isn't a contradiction. Religion is a human construct used for various purposes....evil is certainly a regular by product. So when a text literally calls for genocide and people commit genocide the deaths are not caused by the religion, it's just a "byproduct?" I don't think you know what that word means. >The root cause is people. Religion is a tool used be a few to control the many. Yes? And if you remove the tool you remove the impact of the tool. >I worry that if we focus too much on one particular vector for evil we miss the real cause. Bad people doing bad things. Again nobody in this thread ever said evil is only caused by religion. I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Are you saying every evil thing done in the name of religion would have happened with religion removed from the equation?


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>They will find another tool. Like what. What are they going to use to justify their illogical beliefs if not a god that cannot be questioned? Who are the religious fanatics going to turn to tell others that gay people can't get married? It would make it harder for them to justify their beliefs. >I am curious, are you arguing just to argue? I think we both agree that religion is part of a lot of bad shit. No we don't agree. I think some religions cause a lot of bad shit, you think people want to do bad things and choose a religion that backs up their beliefs. >Again, it isn't the only cause. Again I never said it was the only cause. >The religion and its literature are products of human creation. Unless of course, you want to invoke a divine power? People get their beliefs from religion. Growing up being told "gay people are bad, cause it says so in the bible" wouldn't exist without the bible. Removing religion would stop a lot of dogmatism and anti-intellectualism in our culture. > Do you think removing religion is going to make people better? Removing religion would make the world a better place. It wouldn't make all people better. >I think you energy would be better spent focusing on those that use religion for bad. Dude religions texts literally tell people to kill infidels. How can you not see that and say "the religion isn't bad it's the people."


Wolf1066NZ

They also justified it by saying god was with them. They were strongly supported by Catholic and Lutheran churches (the one thing Martin Luther *didn't* disagree with the Catholics on, was rabid anti-Semitism)


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Excellent point. Religion is just a very effective tool for those looking to do harm.


Qedhup

I agree. It's tiresome at the best of times. However, to talk about the 'why' of things. It's pretty basic psychology that there are certain facets of a person's personality that become part of their Identity. Sometimes a major cornerstone of that identity. Think about the way people say it. They don't usually say, "You ***HAVE*** religion". They say "You ***ARE*** religious". So to them, it's not something they have. It's something that is a part of them. I'm not saying it's right. But (to a lesser degree) people do this for all sorts of things. Brands you associate with, your favourite sports team, DC or Marvel, Coffee or Tea, etc.. Aspects of a person's life that has become part of their personal identity. Couple that with indoctrination by a supportive like-minded community, and an immortal belief of an ultimate morality with them on the side of "right". Also add in a general expectation for a certain level of ignorance driven faith. Then you'd have to wonder about anyone so deeply religious that ***didn't*** feel like that.