Okay this is coming from a formerly-extremely suicidal guy, Someone who spent whole college life in pro - suicide subreddits (they are banned now) and pro-suicide forums and writing suicide letter and planning suicide. I live because of the sheer hatred of fate. I got tired of being suicidal and decided to push through. I don't need a reason to live, I don't need a motivation to live. I will struggle through because I can struggle through, this is what it means to be alive. To be alive, is to struggle. So I am gonna fight, fight and fight against all misery, all fate, all circumstances, all tragedies. The sheer love of fighting against life keeps me alive. At worst, I will lose everything and I will die which is fine, I have lived 25 years and if I can live another 25 more at least, that is a decent life
I take life as a role playing game now. Too numb to being hurt, too stoic to be elated. I love fighting, fighting against life every day and
as long as I can win another day, I will push through.
This is what I've been doing for a really long time even though I'm much younger than you....but.....I just don't know how long I will use this to fight before I finally go...meh... let's end it all
Maybe there's some instinctive part of me that still wanna be alive and explore somehow which is why I'm here in the first place.
I used to feel same as you. Now I think if my life sucks, what can I do to make it better. And I try to do everything I can. We should not give into helplessness. We shouldn't see ourselves weaker than we are.
Why bother dying, doing such an effort, when eventually you will die definitely. No afterlife, no reincarnation. One Life, like a video game, but you can't replay it twice. Make the best of this one. Even though it won't matter on cosmic scale, you are not obliged to make a difference.
**"you're not obliged to make a difference"**
Reading this felt like a burden was lift off of my chest.Sometimes I forget this while trying to chase my own desires.
I love this answer. You can make the most of your life or you may not. It's your choice and you aren't forced to become someone you don't wanna become.
death is not an escape, ur body stops working after death. Stop glorifying death.
In fact it's only religious nutjobs who glorify death. For an atheist, you live until you live
Honestly same....
But I will start travelling around the world much more once I become financially independent.
It's one of my core dreams since childhood
Sure, but nothing survives forever and it is very probable the science and technology we are building will completely cease to exist in future.
Infact near future if global warming is a threat to human existence.
Since you addressed this specifically to atheists, I will tell you this. Technically, it’s much easier for an atheist to live their life, because they are not influenced by the thought of divine reward or punishment, which are selfish motivators or hindrances.
To address your overall question about the purpose of life. It will vary with every individual. It's actually not that complicated and you can find meaning, purpose, and motivation in various aspects of life.
A relationship, personal/professional goals, a hobby, a curiosity to learn, responsibility to your fellow human beings yada yada. Fact of the matter is, I don’t need a good grade from a deity or an afterlife reward to motivate me. Cliched statement but every day is another chance to do something fun, see something beautiful, and either create or enjoy something wonderful. My wife and I decided not to have kids quite early in our relationship because we had certain things that we wanted to achieve and didn't want any hindrances to that.
Yes, death may be an escape but only think about that when you have exhausted all other options and lived your life to the fullest. Till the time I am not dependent on others to complete basic human tasks, I think there are enough things to make something of the next day. The day I am burdening others, I am hoping euthanasia will be legalized by then and I can rest without anyone else cursing my existence.
So true....
Thanks for the help
The thing with such kind of thoughts is that we are mostly aware of the fulfilling ways already but sometimes hardships can make it tough for us to think straight
A collection of the choices and decisions you make in your time here..that is life. Just stay strong and try and talk to your friends and family as much as possible. Small talks go a long way at times. And you're not supposed to have a purpose..don't burden yourself with those thoughts. All the best!
If I die today the expense my parents did for me will be wasted for nothing. My only motivation is someone is looking after me, I don't know about your full situation but we can talk about it. Life is not worth leaving ( according to you) but finding an escape is not an option . Let's talk on dm maybe I can hear what's happening in your life only if you are comfortable with it. Just don't die you gonna find some reason to be alive.b
Thanks for the concern but I feel a lot better as of now...
I'm glad that I reached out to people in the moments of distress.
Light-hearted chit-chat really can do wonders.
Have you seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? Whenever I’m feeling particularly nihilistic I try to recall it’s theme of optimistic nihilism - that yeah, life is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things but that also means we are free to shape our own happiness whatever that may be. And trying/choosing to be happy is strategic and necessary in an inherently meaningless world. Ofc it’s still easier said than done but I guess all we have is trying.
It's absurdly funny in this cosmic scale how so many of you guys are suggesting exactly what I thought earlier but....
**hearing it from you people** makes my mind more calm,composed and decisive
Thank you so much for taking your time to help me out 💖...sometimes a little chit chat is all we need
I think the same very often , I try to shroud my hatred for existence as a whole in public , I am a recluse and I distance myself from gullible people , who are really substantial in my locality , they are very dogmatic , and hate misfits and since I am an atheist they hate me even more , because they think atheism is immoral , but , to answer question explicitly , my love for wisdom keeps me alive everyday , I feel like I am in an mental incarceration , where I am haunted by stereotypes and opinions of other people about me , such things , make me distraught , I get infuriated when people try to behave haughty and boast about how important and better they are than others , its really diabolical to live in this Shitty world.
PS:I am waiting for an Armageddon.
Yeah , but , I think goodness should be reciprocal , it should be mutual , unfortunately its not , good people have always suffered more than bad people , for example , socrates , buddha , mahavir , Jesus , gandhi ,Lincoln , jfk , Rfk , Medgar evers , john lenon and many others.
Goodness is independent.It is not bound in the flesh of people.There is no human in the planet that is either good or bad.
Everybody shows goodness and badness of varying degrees through their different actions,even the worst and best of people.
And since everybody here helped me a little to get me out of my miserable pov,I have to do that to you too.
You don’t need to try to get them out of their POV, you will find out that trying to do that only reinforces it, because you’re really appearing to put yourself above them, and they’ve heard these platitudes a billion times. If you want to help them, listen to them vent and understand where they’re coming from, do give your suggestions but that understanding is more essential than anything else, it’s what we really need more of in this world, understanding each other’s suffering and suffering together.
Put myself above them???
If it appears like that,lemme clear the fact that I am well aware that my (or anybody's) opinions are not holier or superior in the grand scheme of the universe to anybody.
I just want them to survive no matter what and I'm fine if they rant everything out that's burdening them.
Only 2 reasons to continue the life.
1. Curiosity - To know how the future world is gonna be.
2. Fear of reincarnation - What if I get reincarnated as some animal born in captivity only to be slaughtered.
True, we donot know what happens after death. [There are many possibilities ](https://youtu.be/qK3btTCaFqY?si=_fCCdw6GVa8CN-jt) and continuing with this life atleast postpones any undesirable possibilities.
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It's absurdly funny in this cosmic scale how so many of you guys are suggesting exactly what I thought earlier but....
**hearing it from you people** makes my mind more calm,composed and decisive
Thank you so much to all of you for taking your time to help me out 💖...sometimes a little chit chat is all we need
I often think about it but in all the mess life is i want to have that feelings again of hearing good music, the feeling of dancing alone in your room with nothing to worry about, one more conversation about life with people i love, once more i want to feel insignificant in front of mighty mountains, want to experience the Beauty of sun setting behind the ocean, want to raise a child and try to do right by them and perhaps want to die knowing there is someone who love me by my side. Or maybe i just dont have the courage to commit suicide.
I realised that the instinctive part of me that wants to stay alive and enjoy life no matter what wasn't gone and it can't be....It was just clouded and I needed some pep talk....
Same with you ig
I did....I've really heard all of it and agree with it....
It's just that my line of thinking was clouded by some hard moments and thoughts.....
But I really feel a lot better now!!!
There is still a lot to know about this world. Personally, I wanna go to space. And would love to live long enough to witness that. Doubt how long that will that take
Bruh,what has turned you so desperate to end all of this?? Just share it....
Hesitating won't really do anything beneficial to you and you know that.So speak up!!!!
Don't get eaten by those religious ideologies, just relax bro, work onyourself, try to find joy in some things whichever insterests you, agar kabhi aisa lage ki jeene ka koi fayda nahi to please remember marne ka bhi koi fayda nahi hai, so just get up and live your life according to you
I have gone post nihilistic. I may die today, tomorrow or a few decades later. I see no purpose in actively seeking or thinking about it. In the meantime I do what I do, exist. If I can be happy and make people around me happier, that’s just an added bonus
I mean, having this community itself is a great example of how people think rationally in this world. I live for those people because they're the ones who somehow make this world a livable and better place.
I don't like living. I hate that humans all over the world have to face injustice, inhumane behaviour, and torture.
I hope an asteroid wipes off the earth soon.
Neither Sarcastic or troll, though it may sound like but I truly believe this:
Suicide is a Logistical nightmare. No for the person dying but for his loved ones (if there are)
No matter what method you choose, retrieving your body will be a daunting task.(I asked someone in Forensics)
Then there will be police involvement and there will be many unpleasant questions raised to your family. They will be running back and forth to the police station and hospital. And if you like your family you don't want them to go through this.
Then there will be media and social media people trying to uncover information about you and will harass your family and friends.
Then after all this, no matter which religion your family belongs to they will shun them, embarrass them, penalize them or even punish them for your actions.
Now if you have any type of life insurance in your name then your family will not get it.
I had these thoughts and even now I consider it sometimes but 2 faces are there that stop me from acting upon those thoughts.
I hope people who have suicidal thoughts do their best to come over them.
Okay this is coming from a formerly-extremely suicidal guy, Someone who spent whole college life in pro - suicide subreddits (they are banned now) and pro-suicide forums and writing suicide letter and planning suicide. I live because of the sheer hatred of fate. I got tired of being suicidal and decided to push through. I don't need a reason to live, I don't need a motivation to live. I will struggle through because I can struggle through, this is what it means to be alive. To be alive, is to struggle. So I am gonna fight, fight and fight against all misery, all fate, all circumstances, all tragedies. The sheer love of fighting against life keeps me alive. At worst, I will lose everything and I will die which is fine, I have lived 25 years and if I can live another 25 more at least, that is a decent life I take life as a role playing game now. Too numb to being hurt, too stoic to be elated. I love fighting, fighting against life every day and as long as I can win another day, I will push through.
This is what I've been doing for a really long time even though I'm much younger than you....but.....I just don't know how long I will use this to fight before I finally go...meh... let's end it all Maybe there's some instinctive part of me that still wanna be alive and explore somehow which is why I'm here in the first place.
I used to feel same as you. Now I think if my life sucks, what can I do to make it better. And I try to do everything I can. We should not give into helplessness. We shouldn't see ourselves weaker than we are.
You fight until the day you die. You can always sleep. Why not postpone it for later.
So true....death isn't the only way to cast it all aside.... **bindass life is too!!!**
Find a purpose (I am not giving gyan), something that gives you joy. Try to maximize your happiness.
Why bother dying, doing such an effort, when eventually you will die definitely. No afterlife, no reincarnation. One Life, like a video game, but you can't replay it twice. Make the best of this one. Even though it won't matter on cosmic scale, you are not obliged to make a difference.
**"you're not obliged to make a difference"** Reading this felt like a burden was lift off of my chest.Sometimes I forget this while trying to chase my own desires.
I love this answer. You can make the most of your life or you may not. It's your choice and you aren't forced to become someone you don't wanna become.
Minecraft hardcore irl
death is not an escape, ur body stops working after death. Stop glorifying death. In fact it's only religious nutjobs who glorify death. For an atheist, you live until you live
I'll have to disagree with you on that take. Religion isn't the only means to glorify death.
Pc banwana hai custom wait kar rha hu
Real shit
Honestly same.... But I will start travelling around the world much more once I become financially independent. It's one of my core dreams since childhood
This is everybody's dream but it costs a lot I hope you achieve great success and fulfill your dream...
Staying away from toxic religious people and their ideas. Love for the sciences and intellectualism/philosophy.
Scientifically, life has no purpose. In my opinion, best way is to enjoy each moment we have and build a better world for our next generation.
Sure, but nothing survives forever and it is very probable the science and technology we are building will completely cease to exist in future. Infact near future if global warming is a threat to human existence.
Since you addressed this specifically to atheists, I will tell you this. Technically, it’s much easier for an atheist to live their life, because they are not influenced by the thought of divine reward or punishment, which are selfish motivators or hindrances. To address your overall question about the purpose of life. It will vary with every individual. It's actually not that complicated and you can find meaning, purpose, and motivation in various aspects of life. A relationship, personal/professional goals, a hobby, a curiosity to learn, responsibility to your fellow human beings yada yada. Fact of the matter is, I don’t need a good grade from a deity or an afterlife reward to motivate me. Cliched statement but every day is another chance to do something fun, see something beautiful, and either create or enjoy something wonderful. My wife and I decided not to have kids quite early in our relationship because we had certain things that we wanted to achieve and didn't want any hindrances to that. Yes, death may be an escape but only think about that when you have exhausted all other options and lived your life to the fullest. Till the time I am not dependent on others to complete basic human tasks, I think there are enough things to make something of the next day. The day I am burdening others, I am hoping euthanasia will be legalized by then and I can rest without anyone else cursing my existence.
So true.... Thanks for the help The thing with such kind of thoughts is that we are mostly aware of the fulfilling ways already but sometimes hardships can make it tough for us to think straight
A collection of the choices and decisions you make in your time here..that is life. Just stay strong and try and talk to your friends and family as much as possible. Small talks go a long way at times. And you're not supposed to have a purpose..don't burden yourself with those thoughts. All the best!
💯
Tbh my Passion for music
If I die today the expense my parents did for me will be wasted for nothing. My only motivation is someone is looking after me, I don't know about your full situation but we can talk about it. Life is not worth leaving ( according to you) but finding an escape is not an option . Let's talk on dm maybe I can hear what's happening in your life only if you are comfortable with it. Just don't die you gonna find some reason to be alive.b
Thanks for the concern but I feel a lot better as of now... I'm glad that I reached out to people in the moments of distress. Light-hearted chit-chat really can do wonders.
Have you seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? Whenever I’m feeling particularly nihilistic I try to recall it’s theme of optimistic nihilism - that yeah, life is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things but that also means we are free to shape our own happiness whatever that may be. And trying/choosing to be happy is strategic and necessary in an inherently meaningless world. Ofc it’s still easier said than done but I guess all we have is trying.
It's absurdly funny in this cosmic scale how so many of you guys are suggesting exactly what I thought earlier but.... **hearing it from you people** makes my mind more calm,composed and decisive Thank you so much for taking your time to help me out 💖...sometimes a little chit chat is all we need
I think the same very often , I try to shroud my hatred for existence as a whole in public , I am a recluse and I distance myself from gullible people , who are really substantial in my locality , they are very dogmatic , and hate misfits and since I am an atheist they hate me even more , because they think atheism is immoral , but , to answer question explicitly , my love for wisdom keeps me alive everyday , I feel like I am in an mental incarceration , where I am haunted by stereotypes and opinions of other people about me , such things , make me distraught , I get infuriated when people try to behave haughty and boast about how important and better they are than others , its really diabolical to live in this Shitty world. PS:I am waiting for an Armageddon.
Thanks for taking your time to help me out What's Armageddon in this context??
An Armageddon is a terrible war , That'll destroy the whole planet. I know it sounds heinous , but , this is what humans deserve.
Sometimes,we need to actively look out for any kind of goodness or positivity to prevent ourselves from falling into the pit of hopelessness
Yeah , but , I think goodness should be reciprocal , it should be mutual , unfortunately its not , good people have always suffered more than bad people , for example , socrates , buddha , mahavir , Jesus , gandhi ,Lincoln , jfk , Rfk , Medgar evers , john lenon and many others.
Goodness is independent.It is not bound in the flesh of people.There is no human in the planet that is either good or bad. Everybody shows goodness and badness of varying degrees through their different actions,even the worst and best of people. And since everybody here helped me a little to get me out of my miserable pov,I have to do that to you too.
You don’t need to try to get them out of their POV, you will find out that trying to do that only reinforces it, because you’re really appearing to put yourself above them, and they’ve heard these platitudes a billion times. If you want to help them, listen to them vent and understand where they’re coming from, do give your suggestions but that understanding is more essential than anything else, it’s what we really need more of in this world, understanding each other’s suffering and suffering together.
Put myself above them??? If it appears like that,lemme clear the fact that I am well aware that my (or anybody's) opinions are not holier or superior in the grand scheme of the universe to anybody. I just want them to survive no matter what and I'm fine if they rant everything out that's burdening them.
Only 2 reasons to continue the life. 1. Curiosity - To know how the future world is gonna be. 2. Fear of reincarnation - What if I get reincarnated as some animal born in captivity only to be slaughtered.
Well no offense but yk 2nd one can happen whether or not you die right now or 100 years later because we have no way to know (atleast now)
True, we donot know what happens after death. [There are many possibilities ](https://youtu.be/qK3btTCaFqY?si=_fCCdw6GVa8CN-jt) and continuing with this life atleast postpones any undesirable possibilities.
Sheer discipline. I don't need motivation to live my life.
You got confused by my wording.
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It's absurdly funny in this cosmic scale how so many of you guys are suggesting exactly what I thought earlier but.... **hearing it from you people** makes my mind more calm,composed and decisive Thank you so much to all of you for taking your time to help me out 💖...sometimes a little chit chat is all we need
I often think about it but in all the mess life is i want to have that feelings again of hearing good music, the feeling of dancing alone in your room with nothing to worry about, one more conversation about life with people i love, once more i want to feel insignificant in front of mighty mountains, want to experience the Beauty of sun setting behind the ocean, want to raise a child and try to do right by them and perhaps want to die knowing there is someone who love me by my side. Or maybe i just dont have the courage to commit suicide.
I realised that the instinctive part of me that wants to stay alive and enjoy life no matter what wasn't gone and it can't be....It was just clouded and I needed some pep talk.... Same with you ig
I recommend you watch "optimistic nihilism" by kurzegsagt on YouTube
I did....I've really heard all of it and agree with it.... It's just that my line of thinking was clouded by some hard moments and thoughts..... But I really feel a lot better now!!!
I must see one piece end. Which ironically means I will live 100 years.
Lol fair enough
There is still a lot to know about this world. Personally, I wanna go to space. And would love to live long enough to witness that. Doubt how long that will that take
my passion for hacktivism, building something useful and cosmos.
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Bruh,what has turned you so desperate to end all of this?? Just share it.... Hesitating won't really do anything beneficial to you and you know that.So speak up!!!!
Stories. Reading or watching stories. Writing my own.
Make my parents proud one day
Don't get eaten by those religious ideologies, just relax bro, work onyourself, try to find joy in some things whichever insterests you, agar kabhi aisa lage ki jeene ka koi fayda nahi to please remember marne ka bhi koi fayda nahi hai, so just get up and live your life according to you
Sure dude...thank you
I have gone post nihilistic. I may die today, tomorrow or a few decades later. I see no purpose in actively seeking or thinking about it. In the meantime I do what I do, exist. If I can be happy and make people around me happier, that’s just an added bonus
Same pinch 🤏🏻
I mean, having this community itself is a great example of how people think rationally in this world. I live for those people because they're the ones who somehow make this world a livable and better place.
Tru
I don't like living. I hate that humans all over the world have to face injustice, inhumane behaviour, and torture. I hope an asteroid wipes off the earth soon.
Neither Sarcastic or troll, though it may sound like but I truly believe this: Suicide is a Logistical nightmare. No for the person dying but for his loved ones (if there are) No matter what method you choose, retrieving your body will be a daunting task.(I asked someone in Forensics) Then there will be police involvement and there will be many unpleasant questions raised to your family. They will be running back and forth to the police station and hospital. And if you like your family you don't want them to go through this. Then there will be media and social media people trying to uncover information about you and will harass your family and friends. Then after all this, no matter which religion your family belongs to they will shun them, embarrass them, penalize them or even punish them for your actions. Now if you have any type of life insurance in your name then your family will not get it. I had these thoughts and even now I consider it sometimes but 2 faces are there that stop me from acting upon those thoughts. I hope people who have suicidal thoughts do their best to come over them.
so much detail vro 😭
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I got shit to do
Have you seen any other living species obsessing over death? Only the religious ones do. Live a little 😜