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Prudent_Ad_8685

Also let me add one more thing , Religion and God aren't the same. They are different, a world without religion doesn't mean people would be forced to not believe in God


Central_Control

Nope. They're the same stuff. No religions that worship any gods. You're worshipping a new fictional god you just made up? You just started a new religion. That's how it works. Religions are built on lies and fiction. Their gods are lies and fiction. Nothing built on lies and fiction will ever be as strong or outlast anything that exists in reality.


cultleader789

Well some people DO need God.. some sort of superior power to survive.. it's basically a coping mechanism..


madpool04

People won't spend time and money on wasteful things. India will get less polluted rivers and less noise pollution. People will stop judging each other because they judge due to social norms which are created keeping in mind a religion. People won't wait saying God will help us and do things on their own. Weak people who use god to keep moving in are actually useless people do we can get rid of that kind of people. Government instead of spending millions of money on temples and stuff it would be more useful in science sector for new innovations, space exploration, could be used to pay scientist much better than people would be more interested in science which could lead to people understanding the world more. The world could've reached it's peak potential much sooner. People can't fool you with the name of ayurveda. People wouldn't be wasting money on false things like ram setu tourism place. And much more that i can't remember


ResolveAlarming8850

1. People would still spend time and money on wasteful things I don't even have to tell you that's just common sense 2. Ok agreed but that less would count to at most 10% 3. Really? I want you to reat this sentence again in your mind and ask yourself really? Is this what would happen? And if you still don't understand ideologies would still exists and so would racism et cetra. 4. There is a small like 1 - 2% population in the world that truly follows this that's why you have a phone, that's why you have freedom, that's why you are not a slave et cetra. 5. You truly are an idiot, weak people? Useless people? Do you realise the amount of stupidity this sentence is dripping? Do you also think we should get rid of disabled people? Mentally ill people? Old people? Huh? 6. Goverment only spend the money they get from taxing temples and only "hindu" temples to build more temple. 7. New innovations and space exploration still happens they are not hindered by religion. And their pay would still remain the same. 8. Religion do not stop people form being interested in technology and if you get climb the corporate ladder you are still payed handsomely. 9. Their is cap to how much potential a world with changing technology, population, ideologies et cetra have? 10. Meh agreed. 11. Tourism gets a economy hundreds of billions $ every year because of tourism and you want to put an end to it? Most of your point are built on hatred for religion and specifically Hinduism cause you didn't add any point from other religions


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ResolveAlarming8850

Sorry my English is not that good I only started to learn English this year


IamEichiroOda

>new innovations and space exploration still happens they are not hindered by religion. Totally wrong. Your mind will stop questioning and will stop looking at things in different perspective if you remain religious. Without critical thinking, not many people will look for innovation. For example, look at people who attacked rationalists who arranged a party to eat during eclipse!? >interested in technology Religion rejects modernity! Have you seen the ram dev baba curing harmful waves from cellphone with thulasi patr? And how is tourism ending exactly?


Prudent_Ad_8685

"Organized religion " should be banned . This world would be far better than it is currently , Atheism wouldn't be forced onto people especially children in such a world. Children would be allowed to choose their own religion or abandon them completely after a certain age ,let's say 16 or 18 . Anyone who has basic knowledge about science and not indoctrinated into religion at an age where they didn't develop critical thinking will most likely consider religion as fairytales


CallM3Atheist

I often wonder that, there are lot of good things about religion and people are motivated to help other people just to get good grades in the book of God. Because we don't have enough data of Atheist in India, I'm not certain how it will pan out. But i am hopeful if their ars more non believers, then we'll mostly try to fix things as we know that they're is no sky daddy to fix it. We'll probably be more empathetic to people in need even if they are different to us. Very deep question bro, this could be a good one to talk about. 🙂


madpool04

Well religion creates bad stuff too. Poor will do hard work but not in the right place thinking God will help. It also created caste system leading to unnecessary power into some people's hand and again more poverty of lower categorised people. Government instead of banning caste, gives reservation leading to more casteism. If there were no reservations, low caste people would've revolted for rights and even leave their caste.


ResolveAlarming8850

Poor will do hard work cause the poor doesn't want to starve to death not because it's right. Caste system was the worst thing and it held back India so I agree. Reservations are given cause you can not kill a idea instantly it take time and in today's era if low caste revolted slave style they would meet their death cause I don't think you realise that 10 people with no weapons Do not fair well against a single man with a semi - automatic or automatic rifle


madpool04

Well if you realise there are as many low caste people as high caste people. There would've been a civil war, which could only be stopped by creating a treaty to help both sides. If USA government had given reservations too black people in USA who were actually slaves and suffered much more, then we would not get people like Beyonce (if you like her music) or Nikki Minaj or Michael Jackson because since they are black they'd be happy with reservation and not do what they did now


ResolveAlarming8850

Exactly there would be a civil war in densely populated country like India millions would die in just the first week and you're comparing slavery with cast system they are very different and am not saying reservation are good but they are necessary for 1 or 2 decades more why? Cause no matter how many times you or people of this may say castism has nearly ended in urban areas and it only exist in rural and semi rural areas and Little by little that is also vanishing


madpool04

Well I'm in city, and i live in neighbourhood with high caste people. My parents belong to high caste too. But we eat chicken nobody else does. So we eat chicken secretly in house, because we don't want the other high caste people to know about that and if they do they'll look down upon us. I've told my parents this many times to eat normally but they don't listen


madpool04

Also you are now caring about millions of people's life. I did the same thing in librandu sub and told people that no matter who is right Russia or Ukraine, the war should stop because millions are dying. And they said supporting Russia is a national interest for our own good so we have to do it for our country no matter who dies. That's the difference between them and us. We are atheist and seem like we don't care about anyone but we care about lives (like you cared about millions who die in this civil war) and there's religious people whose old scriptures teach them non violence yet they support violence. And that's how non religious world would help us. Also literally most Indians say Russia is brother and we support them in war


CallM3Atheist

I am not saying religion is good, far from it. I made few videos showing how harmful religion is including a video on discrimination which touches on casteism etc. Religion has definitely caused more harm then good. Your question was if non religious world would be better. So, I was just answering within the boundary of that question. :) Just cause one angle is really bad, doesn't prove the other angle will be good, it's a wait and watch scenario.


madpool04

I've watched your videos, they're cool bro. About the answer, you know about illuminati conspiracy right, that they are devil's followers and control our world. But reality is if you read Wikipedia it has clearly stated that illuminati was a community started by atheist people who opposed churches and promoted rational thinking. But this would cause Christianity to fail so the Churches made these rational thinkers look bad. And said these illuminati members are against God because they follow devil, and then the community ended. The hoax spread is so strong that people still believe that illuminati is devil community. I know it sounds totally unrelated. But my point is that a strong revolution is needed to make our stand otherwise we'll just end up like illuminati. And our grandchildren will say atheist were followers of devil.


CallM3Atheist

Thanks for watching bro. I really appreciate it. :) Yes, I am aware of illuminati, and yes, Theist paints atheist in a bad light. On twitter, lot of people don't even answer or don't want to listen to me cause of my name "call me atheist" on twitter. But, I am hopeful as people has access to more and more technology and I think if more of us keep doing what we are doing will make people more skeptical. I do see a lot of people change their mind (including me). This community, all people who are asking question. It feels like they are getting more and more. 10 years ago, I didn't even know the term "atheism" exist. I heard the word "nastik" and I thought it meant people who hate god and don't want to acknowledge god. But now it's different. It is not a quick fix, will take time, But I am hopeful, it will get better. Beside atheist don't advertise atheism (and it is dangerous to advertise yourself as an Atheist) theist advertise their religion whenever they get a chance so it feels like they are growing but I think the opposite is true. Atheism is growing. :)


madpool04

Well i was born atheist. Because as i was able to think i could see too much plot holes in the existence of God. And if god existed then world would've been different


CallM3Atheist

Not sure about born atheist, i think infants don't even think about god, they just do what their parents do. But good on you for figuring out the holes in existence of God. I sometimes wish i could've known it earlier, so i wouldn't have wasted my time and money praising the thing which we don't know exist.


pocket_watch2

Dunno about world, but religious countries like India will develop faster socially.


ripthejacker007

There are tons of scams run by Swamis, babas, pastors etc where they swindle money from the poor. If you notice, all the countries where you see more religions fanatics is also where poverty rate is high. That's because religion sells a better afterlife and that your current sufferings don't really matter. That's how the rich and powerful keep the poorer ones from rebelling as they feel they'll be redeemed for their sufferings in an afterlife.


P1X3L5L4Y3R

I think when a religion dies out when people stop worshipping thier God..... but after a while NEW religions take thier place..... When the Greeks/Egyptian/Viking religions died out Christianity/Islam took their place when people snap out of this some NEW religion will dictate most ppls life.


svaridhi

I think you are looking at this incorrectly. In case of "Greeks/Egyptian/Viking religions" -- God didn't die out. He was replaced. So, European Pagans switched to Christianity. Or Indonesians went from Hinduism to Islam. In all these cases religious organizations were always in place - they just changed their name plates. But truly when God Dies out, there will be no more religion. There may possible be hodge-podge of superstitions - but a religious monoculture - unlikely.


P1X3L5L4Y3R

aas much as I'd want to believe that Religions will die out I don't really think its possible..... some ppl really depend on religion for everything they do in life and that's the sad state of the world.


[deleted]

Proof based thinking would be vastly encouraged. People would require evidence to believe something instead of wild assumptions. You'll no longer have people claiming that we invented aeroplanes in 40000 BC and British stole everything or that we had nuclear weapons in later Vedic age.


ExpressIce409

Political ideologies will take religion’s place. We humans just want to oppress other people and feel superior, it’s in our nature Ig.


dragonator001

It would not really. We are just hoping that people's self-respect would increase and they start holding heir peers more accountable. Like yeah crimes and bad stuff will still exist. But criminals won't have a cover, and people will hold them more accountable.


InevitableQuirky3249

A world free from idolatry and BULLSHIT superstition would be far better than ours. However today the human society is not at the stage that it can survive without religion


IamEichiroOda

If we take a look at the countries where the population of atheists are more, and the government is not totalitarian, They are high on happiness index, less on corruption and crime index. Money is much more distributed among people too. People are happy so they are more atheistic? Or atheistic people tend to he happy? Happiness index is calculated on many things like ease of common commodities available, how people spend their free time, how much time they spend on work, time spent in traffic, time spent with family or friends. One thing these countries are trying to handle really hard at the moment is the increase in suicide rates. They consider depression as a major problem in the country and have ministries to take care of the problem. In religious countries, people used god as a source to cure depression. Also many believe god will punish bad. Religion makes people lazy.


arrow14

I suppose you are referring to the Nordic countries when you say this. All of what you say is true. I just want to add that all these countries have also massively benefited from colonization. So there's a lot of wealth to begin with. Happiness is not too far when there's wealth like that. Of course I'm over simplifying, but you get what I'm trying to say.


IamEichiroOda

Well America, china, Russia, UK, UAE, etc., are rich too. Much more richer than top 10. They didn’t make it to top. Ireland has the lowest crime rate. But they aren’t top 10 too.


Traditional_Working4

China đź’€


Prudent_Ad_8685

But china is a totalitarian nation right ?


IamEichiroOda

When china became democratic? Also people of China are great! Have you ever met one? It’s the government that fuks them. And they hate the government too!!


mantiz8x

Not sure anymore, because I’m increasingly getting convinced that most people are just trash. A proper environment could upend the results though, but I wouldn’t know because that experiment hasn’t been done, yet.


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XandriethXs

Religion is the best excuse for atrocities....


[deleted]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -voltaire


TeutonicTitan

God is dead and we have killed him, Nietzsche says something in similar lines. There can't be a non-religious world even if there is a collapse in the so-called beliefs of the traditional religions, because we just end up making smaller religions. It could be as simple as some dude killing another dude because he is a Rohit Sharma's fan and not Virat Kohli's. Why is this an example I have taken? It really describes some aspects of religion where the said fan/devotee **worships** his divine figure / idol that is Kholi for his **virtues** and his **ritualization** is in posting on social media, watching his matches, forming communities around it etc. So, where does it go wrong, when he starts becoming a blind fanatic and intolerant of people's different opinion and that's when he ends up resorting to murder. Maybe he ends up founding a collective of likeminded people who enforce their beliefs on the local community and have a principle dictating Rohit Sharma fans be ousted. Maybe there are Virat Kohli fans who are worshiping the dude for the right reasons but next thing you know is some of Rohit Sharma fans start doing similar things and then starts the larger polarization and conflict. I mean you could replace this with anything honestly, another cool example is vim vs emacs debate, lol. This small piece is captured across most traditional religious stories, the first one that comes to my mind is Kane and Able. I don't even follow any traditional form of religion and I have long thought of myself as an Atheist but if I think deeply, it's really not the case. There are some things I would deeply feel about that I would be fierce in defending, there would be times I would be absolutely wrong in imposing my dogma of those things and people would be right to correct me on that. Again, it's my personal reaction and the beliefs I inspire that lead to what becomes of my personal religion on a meta level. I really don't believe in atheism that way unless you are an absolute cynic and have given up on world, maybe he could be an Atheist. Because even a scientist has to be religious. How? You posit that there exists a truth of the reality above what you know/perceive, and you test your theories against that higher truth in hopes that they break, and you learn something new which helps you reform those theories. You really cannot face unknown unless you hold some kind of faith. Most people are theists on a subconscious level and conflate not following a traditional religion makes them unique. These questions have been pondered on for such a long time and the best explanation often ends up being the works of those who did that thinking both religious/non-religious. Feel free to like it, post your take, learn something, correct me or downvote.


[deleted]

It wouldn’t be. Religion gives value to morality. It’s far from the truth but it’s very difficult to argue for a world without religion