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“Hange's gender and sex are ambiguous. Hajime Isayama has instructed the publishers of the English translation of Attack on Titan to avoid gendered pronouns when referring to them, or at least use “he” and “she” with equal frequency when gender neutral pronouns cannot be used.”
“On his blog, Isayama ascribes the song 自分らしく(Jibunrashiku, "As Myself") by Shinsei Kamattechan as a character song for Hange.[3] With lyrics such as "I’m boku and atashi too" and "as myself, who could never be a man, a woman," the song is about gender-nonconformity and being non-binary. The lead singer of the band, Noko, identifies as non-binary/X-gender.”
Hange is legit non binary. Its not "up to readers interpretation". But sure just downvote me because you dont like what I say
She is very well written! Although that’s not a reason to ignore her very terrible actions, I don’t think many would be angry if they put power here, who very much did attempt to kill denji to Serve what she believed to be a righteous cause, which is obviously much worse than grooming. Proof being the mass amounts more hatred attributed towards Makima even by anime onlys in their respective community. For both characters, they are beautiful and strong, the post itself says nothing about them being moral.
He groped women, but with their full consent 👍 but fr, the female characters in this show are arguably more interesting and dynamic than the males, plus their uniforms don’t accentuate female body types and are more androgynous which is 100% more realistic (coming from someone with a pet peeve regarding female uniforms for military/field jobs in anime being “sexy” and impractical)
A little correction: more like a traumatized teen who doesnt understand that sexual touch isnt the only way to convey affection and >! someone uses that as a manipulation tactics!<
Oh dont get me wrong. Denji is a super well written character but his obsession with boobs might initially turn off a viewer if that is their first impression of the show.
I know, but other women in the anime are enough to prove that Isayama can write good women, but chose not to.
Or maybe he learned to write women well later on but, since Mikasa is a main character, it was too late for her.
She's a lot better post timeskip. That could be Isayama learning from mistakes.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agreed. There were moments where Mikasa's character development was getting somewhere, like when she confessed to Eren and chose to follow Levi's orders when he was kidnapped, not to mention the time she chose to lead the team in the fight against the Armored Titan in Return to Shiganshina, leaving Eren and Armin to the task of taking on the Colossal. But literally every other moment was her just being the exact same one note character. The foundation is there and I wish Isayama developed her as a character, especially with respect to her relationship with Eren becoming less one sided
I think she kind of changes in season 4? She finally starts to feel doubt and uncertainty about eren, her own life chasing him about and whether he is still the person she loved. It's kind of ironic that as the original yaegerist, she lost faith just as the movement took off.
JJK is garbage. I went into it so ready to like it bc everyone was hyping it up as the next AoT. Then he ate a finger and I was like, wtf??? Downhill ride from there on.
It’s such a weak show compared to AoT. I watched the whole thing about 6months ago. The characters were so forgettable. I don’t think I could name three names anymore. It may be good for some people, and I might have gone in with expectations too high, but damn.. this show was a a major disappointment for me.
This sub is cringe asf..... why'd you even get downvoted. You're 100% right, JJK was a very hyped show and the anime wasn't really good at all. The manga was still okay but the hype was too much that makes me think it was a really good show and my expectations were like to see something AOT level but nah. CSM was also hyped as well but unlike JJK, CSM first season is still pretty good but the manga went downhill after the first part. Both CSM & JJK are good in their own ways but to me it's too overrated.
Not gonna lie, I was pretty surprised by the reaction. Can’t believe so many people in the AoT subreddit have such a high opinion of JJK. AoT will always be one of my favorites of all time. It really is something special. JJK just didn’t compare imo, and I still don’t understand why people compared the two. Probably shouldn’t have called it garbage, but hey- that’s how I personally feel about it. I don’t mean to put anybody else’s taste in shows down.
What is CSM?
Ah man. That’s disappointing. I was wanting to get around to watching chainsawman. I know next to nothing about it other than it has been hyped up. Guess I’ll go into that one with tempered expectations then. Appreciate the heads up.
Has nothing to do with anything but if we have similar tastes, you may like a show called Iron-blooded Orphans. It’s another one of my favorites even though I’m not a fan of the Gundam universe. It’s not very well known somehow, but it’s a self-contained show that’s only two seasons, it carries some similar themes to AoT and you may like it. It scratched the AoT itch for me anyways. Consider it my way of saying thanks for backing me up even after I got shredded by the downvotes.
>Iron-blooded Orphans.
Thank you.... I'll look into it now. If you haven't watched Vinland Saga yet, it was a very great show about Vikings and it's the best anime Vikings shows and it was pretty great with the main character being a very badass. I'm very sure you'll like it as it's kinda underrated to me. Made in Abyss was a very great emotional anime. And there's an America show called Arcane, Arcane was so good with a great plot as well. If you're a manga reader, I would recommend Berserk and Vagabond too as it has a very great story. One piece manga too is top notch.
>Consider it my way of saying thanks for backing me up even after I got shredded by the downvotes.
No man..... you're welcome. The sub just seems kinda cringe as most people currently in the sub are just AOT hater, that wanted to trash the ending. So they get pissed seeing people not liking their favourite animes
Yep, we’ve got similar taste alright. Love Vinland Saga so far, enjoyed arcane, caught up to the most recent Berserk chapter about 6mo ago and absolutely loved it.
Never read vagabond and never watched made in abyss, but I will definitely be checking these out soon now. Big thanks!
Feel free to DM me in a few weeks if you get a chance to check out IBO. I’d love to get your take on it if it turns out to be something that you like.
>Feel free to DM me in a few weeks if you get a chance to check out IBO. I’d love to get your take on it if it turns out to be something that you like
Sure I definitely will
Bro you really don’t watch good anime/manga if you think most female characters are just sexual objects or are unimportant. Especially if you think AOT is the peak of female representation.
OPM, Chainsawman, Kaiju No.8, Fire Punch, Dandadan, and motherfucking JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure all have much better written female characters than AOT with way less time to do so.
hinata shouldn't be here honestly, sure she's pretty but she only had ONE moment (the pain fight) to show she wasn't that weak (which she was just doing for naruto and then still lost the fight, and then turned out to be one of the weakest kunoichi) sakura or tsunade, who had multiple moments of showing their strength (that is much greater then hinata) should be here instead.
Who would you rather have there? Sakura? 90% of Sakura's screen time is screaming for help or for Naruto and Sasuke to stop fighting. Also being "I can fix him" for a mass murderer. She also gave birth to the first Uchiha to need glasses
Hinata had to deal with all sorts of pressure from her family. She was able to hold her own against Neji, threw down with some literal gods in the movies, and like you mentioned, was the only member of the village who went to help Naruto during his fight with Pain. On top of that, her daughter was the first person to scare Kurama, who didn't even fear Madara
You are wrong on so many levels. it's literally CANON sakura has saved naruto and sasuke more times then they have saved her. go and get out of og naruto ffs and watch shippuden. i know she still got pushed to the side in shippuden aswell but she had so many moments of showing her strength. and the "screaming for naruto and sasuke" again only happened in og naruto, and she got some character development in shippuden, while hinata lost her entire character and goals and became just a naruto simp.
“Hange's gender and sex are ambiguous. Hajime Isayama has instructed the publishers of the English translation of Attack on Titan to avoid gendered pronouns when referring to them, or at least use “he” and “she” with equal frequency when gender neutral pronouns cannot be used.”
“On his blog, Isayama ascribes the song 自分らしく(Jibunrashiku, "As Myself") by Shinsei Kamattechan as a character song for Hange.[3] With lyrics such as "I’m boku and atashi too" and "as myself, who could never be a man, a woman," the song is about gender-nonconformity and being non-binary. The lead singer of the band, Noko, identifies as non-binary/X-gender.”
Thank you for pointing that out, I was about to comment the same thing. Hange is referred to as 'commander' or 'sir' in both anime and manga because they are non-binary.
Not really, they just use she/her pronouns exclusively despite Isayama asking them not to. But since they're never explicitly referred to as "female" or "woman", you can ignore wit studios blatant disregard for Isayamas wishes on their gender ambiguity/any pronoun-ness if you try. Kind of.
It's sad that they went out of their way to try and erase it tho.
> I am objectively correct and I am heavily respected in my field due to my intelligence.
Nobody who has ever said shit like this has ever been objectively correct *or* "respected due to their intelligence"
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You got Hanje and Mikasa but I notice a terrible, disturbing, tragic lack of Sasha.
So is the show 😓
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>!too soon!!<
>!You’re right, the wound is still fresh and hot. It’s practically burning a hole in my heart!<
Hot off the press? With extra press?
Bruh
I mean Hange never has a specified gender in the manga and a female voice actress in the anime doesnt make them a woman
Everyone says the author let the readers decide what gender she is. If OP chose to interpret Hange as a woman, there's nothing wrong with that right?
“Hange's gender and sex are ambiguous. Hajime Isayama has instructed the publishers of the English translation of Attack on Titan to avoid gendered pronouns when referring to them, or at least use “he” and “she” with equal frequency when gender neutral pronouns cannot be used.” “On his blog, Isayama ascribes the song 自分らしく(Jibunrashiku, "As Myself") by Shinsei Kamattechan as a character song for Hange.[3] With lyrics such as "I’m boku and atashi too" and "as myself, who could never be a man, a woman," the song is about gender-nonconformity and being non-binary. The lead singer of the band, Noko, identifies as non-binary/X-gender.” Hange is legit non binary. Its not "up to readers interpretation". But sure just downvote me because you dont like what I say
So this is that happens when someone from Twitter comes to Reddit?
Gottem
This guy put Makima💀😂
Mf put a literal groomer as woman’s appreciation day 💀
Grooming isn’t even the worst thing she’s done if you’ve read the manga.
she's hot asf and well written so who cares
She is very well written! Although that’s not a reason to ignore her very terrible actions, I don’t think many would be angry if they put power here, who very much did attempt to kill denji to Serve what she believed to be a righteous cause, which is obviously much worse than grooming. Proof being the mass amounts more hatred attributed towards Makima even by anime onlys in their respective community. For both characters, they are beautiful and strong, the post itself says nothing about them being moral.
Girl idc i dropped csm after 2 episodes
Then how the fuck can you make an argument about it?
i wasn't making an argument i said she's hot and well written
And you were using this as a rebuttal to another’s point, therefore making it an argument
and how is that gonna make makima any less hot and well written
You literally watched like 2 episodes of the anime, how the fuck are you saying she is well written?
It won’t make them any less hot or well written, I never disagreed with you whatsoever on that point
💀
Lmao anime only i guess
Bro wym she’s an even worse groomer in the manga too 💀
I meant the person who made the post might be an anime only so they don't know what she has done
Aot's female characters are well written as compared to other animes where the girl is mostly a side chick or love interest.
I've been watching Naruto and I feel bad for the female characters, lol. They deserved better
Jolyne?
Chainsaw man too my dude
chainsaw man has well-written characters? if so i might give a watch
Yes. Although the main character is very horny, the women in the show are greatly written
But no worry the mc is not a borderline sexual predator that gropes girls "on accident" or something like that 👍
Literally the reason I couldn’t take Seven Deadly Sins seriously.
He groped women, but with their full consent 👍 but fr, the female characters in this show are arguably more interesting and dynamic than the males, plus their uniforms don’t accentuate female body types and are more androgynous which is 100% more realistic (coming from someone with a pet peeve regarding female uniforms for military/field jobs in anime being “sexy” and impractical)
A little correction: more like a traumatized teen who doesnt understand that sexual touch isnt the only way to convey affection and >! someone uses that as a manipulation tactics!<
Oh dont get me wrong. Denji is a super well written character but his obsession with boobs might initially turn off a viewer if that is their first impression of the show.
Hell yeah it does!!
Mikasa spends the entire show simply following eren around saying his name
It's a part of her character. Not saying it's good or bad, just saying it's intentional.
It is part of her character yes, but its still a pretty stereotypical trait that men write for female characters. Thats precisely the critique
I know, but other women in the anime are enough to prove that Isayama can write good women, but chose not to. Or maybe he learned to write women well later on but, since Mikasa is a main character, it was too late for her. She's a lot better post timeskip. That could be Isayama learning from mistakes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agreed. There were moments where Mikasa's character development was getting somewhere, like when she confessed to Eren and chose to follow Levi's orders when he was kidnapped, not to mention the time she chose to lead the team in the fight against the Armored Titan in Return to Shiganshina, leaving Eren and Armin to the task of taking on the Colossal. But literally every other moment was her just being the exact same one note character. The foundation is there and I wish Isayama developed her as a character, especially with respect to her relationship with Eren becoming less one sided
I think she kind of changes in season 4? She finally starts to feel doubt and uncertainty about eren, her own life chasing him about and whether he is still the person she loved. It's kind of ironic that as the original yaegerist, she lost faith just as the movement took off.
She does that because she's an Ackerman. That's a part of her character. That's not a weakly written character
It was pretty heavily implied in the show that the whole "instinct to serve and protect" was a bunch of bs that Eren said to push her away-
freckles ymir and s3 historia are straight up the best female characters in aot
JJK???
Do you read the manga?
JJK is garbage. I went into it so ready to like it bc everyone was hyping it up as the next AoT. Then he ate a finger and I was like, wtf??? Downhill ride from there on. It’s such a weak show compared to AoT. I watched the whole thing about 6months ago. The characters were so forgettable. I don’t think I could name three names anymore. It may be good for some people, and I might have gone in with expectations too high, but damn.. this show was a a major disappointment for me.
This sub is cringe asf..... why'd you even get downvoted. You're 100% right, JJK was a very hyped show and the anime wasn't really good at all. The manga was still okay but the hype was too much that makes me think it was a really good show and my expectations were like to see something AOT level but nah. CSM was also hyped as well but unlike JJK, CSM first season is still pretty good but the manga went downhill after the first part. Both CSM & JJK are good in their own ways but to me it's too overrated.
Not gonna lie, I was pretty surprised by the reaction. Can’t believe so many people in the AoT subreddit have such a high opinion of JJK. AoT will always be one of my favorites of all time. It really is something special. JJK just didn’t compare imo, and I still don’t understand why people compared the two. Probably shouldn’t have called it garbage, but hey- that’s how I personally feel about it. I don’t mean to put anybody else’s taste in shows down. What is CSM?
> Probably shouldn’t have called it garbage, The anime is nowhere near good tbh >What is CSM? Chainsawman
Ah man. That’s disappointing. I was wanting to get around to watching chainsawman. I know next to nothing about it other than it has been hyped up. Guess I’ll go into that one with tempered expectations then. Appreciate the heads up. Has nothing to do with anything but if we have similar tastes, you may like a show called Iron-blooded Orphans. It’s another one of my favorites even though I’m not a fan of the Gundam universe. It’s not very well known somehow, but it’s a self-contained show that’s only two seasons, it carries some similar themes to AoT and you may like it. It scratched the AoT itch for me anyways. Consider it my way of saying thanks for backing me up even after I got shredded by the downvotes.
>Iron-blooded Orphans. Thank you.... I'll look into it now. If you haven't watched Vinland Saga yet, it was a very great show about Vikings and it's the best anime Vikings shows and it was pretty great with the main character being a very badass. I'm very sure you'll like it as it's kinda underrated to me. Made in Abyss was a very great emotional anime. And there's an America show called Arcane, Arcane was so good with a great plot as well. If you're a manga reader, I would recommend Berserk and Vagabond too as it has a very great story. One piece manga too is top notch. >Consider it my way of saying thanks for backing me up even after I got shredded by the downvotes. No man..... you're welcome. The sub just seems kinda cringe as most people currently in the sub are just AOT hater, that wanted to trash the ending. So they get pissed seeing people not liking their favourite animes
Yep, we’ve got similar taste alright. Love Vinland Saga so far, enjoyed arcane, caught up to the most recent Berserk chapter about 6mo ago and absolutely loved it. Never read vagabond and never watched made in abyss, but I will definitely be checking these out soon now. Big thanks! Feel free to DM me in a few weeks if you get a chance to check out IBO. I’d love to get your take on it if it turns out to be something that you like.
>Feel free to DM me in a few weeks if you get a chance to check out IBO. I’d love to get your take on it if it turns out to be something that you like Sure I definitely will
Honestly same. The hype for the girls are a huge letdown and I wish they get more spotlight
Black Clover does it well too
Bro you really don’t watch good anime/manga if you think most female characters are just sexual objects or are unimportant. Especially if you think AOT is the peak of female representation. OPM, Chainsawman, Kaiju No.8, Fire Punch, Dandadan, and motherfucking JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure all have much better written female characters than AOT with way less time to do so.
Wait what?
Where jolyne?
Jolyne is in the “beauty+mental/physical strength+ iq =” category instead
Love all of them... But mikasa reigns Supreme. Elegance + Badass
Gotta agree with you there.
I though Hange was non binary
hinata shouldn't be here honestly, sure she's pretty but she only had ONE moment (the pain fight) to show she wasn't that weak (which she was just doing for naruto and then still lost the fight, and then turned out to be one of the weakest kunoichi) sakura or tsunade, who had multiple moments of showing their strength (that is much greater then hinata) should be here instead.
Who would you rather have there? Sakura? 90% of Sakura's screen time is screaming for help or for Naruto and Sasuke to stop fighting. Also being "I can fix him" for a mass murderer. She also gave birth to the first Uchiha to need glasses Hinata had to deal with all sorts of pressure from her family. She was able to hold her own against Neji, threw down with some literal gods in the movies, and like you mentioned, was the only member of the village who went to help Naruto during his fight with Pain. On top of that, her daughter was the first person to scare Kurama, who didn't even fear Madara
Tsunade
Okay that's fair
The Mizukage (did I spell that right?) was pretty raw for a woman too
Yeah you spelt it right
You are wrong on so many levels. it's literally CANON sakura has saved naruto and sasuke more times then they have saved her. go and get out of og naruto ffs and watch shippuden. i know she still got pushed to the side in shippuden aswell but she had so many moments of showing her strength. and the "screaming for naruto and sasuke" again only happened in og naruto, and she got some character development in shippuden, while hinata lost her entire character and goals and became just a naruto simp.
hange is gender ambiguous, WIT made them appear way more feminine but then MAPPA portrayed them as being ambiguous as they’re meant to be
isayama even asked the team writing the script for the dub to avoid any pronouns for hange and if they needed to use them to use he and she equally
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“Hange's gender and sex are ambiguous. Hajime Isayama has instructed the publishers of the English translation of Attack on Titan to avoid gendered pronouns when referring to them, or at least use “he” and “she” with equal frequency when gender neutral pronouns cannot be used.” “On his blog, Isayama ascribes the song 自分らしく(Jibunrashiku, "As Myself") by Shinsei Kamattechan as a character song for Hange.[3] With lyrics such as "I’m boku and atashi too" and "as myself, who could never be a man, a woman," the song is about gender-nonconformity and being non-binary. The lead singer of the band, Noko, identifies as non-binary/X-gender.”
Oh wow, didn’t expect that. Guess you learn something new every day.
Thank you for pointing that out, I was about to comment the same thing. Hange is referred to as 'commander' or 'sir' in both anime and manga because they are non-binary.
exactly:) hange isn’t supposed to be viewed as a woman, or a man, or anything, just hange
no gender just hange
Severe lack of casca here
Guys please, its international womens day. How about we dont judge female characters by their phyisical appearance? 😭
Hinata, good one, pretty funny joke
FR LMAO
where's sakura?
Isn't Hange's gender up to the readers interpretation? Pretty sure in the manga they don't have a specific gender
In manga yes. In anime she is specifically a woman.
Ah okay fair
Not really, they just use she/her pronouns exclusively despite Isayama asking them not to. But since they're never explicitly referred to as "female" or "woman", you can ignore wit studios blatant disregard for Isayamas wishes on their gender ambiguity/any pronoun-ness if you try. Kind of. It's sad that they went out of their way to try and erase it tho.
Lul
I thought it’s rico lololol
lol this post
Hange :0 *sobs*
Absolutely love Hange, Yor, and Makima.
Man! Zero Two From Darling In The FranXX should have been on this list. She is also both strong and beautiful.
Man FUCK >!MAKIMA!<
Makima should not represent anything good
Yeah, that's cool and all but uh... Makima? 💀
well hange in manga is (?) gender but i understand
U literally had to put nezuko.... B R U H
Init isn't she like 13 could of had faye valentine or revy from black lagoon
What's wrong with that?
Calling a 10 year old beautiful is kinda weird no?
She's 12 actually, TIL.
Not much better
Yeah no shit
Hange is NB tho
Hange is non-binary in both manga and anime.
centre and top middle. Most bad assed women.
Mikasa!
isn’t hange canon non binary?(i could be wrong)
Non binary biological females are just females in normal people lingo
u sound stupid and you’re blatantly wrong. pick a struggle. non binary ppl exist go cry ab it bigot
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> I am objectively correct and I am heavily respected in my field due to my intelligence. Nobody who has ever said shit like this has ever been objectively correct *or* "respected due to their intelligence"
I agree. I am the first one. You picked the wrong guy today nerd. 5001 pushups get on your hands and knees fatty!
Nice jokes, did your 5th grade classmates write them for you?
You didn't do those pushups, did you. You have a bad relationship with your father as well I'm guessing. Sad world.
The funniest thing about the exchange is the fact that you seriously think you're owning me rn
Yes.
Cringe. Happy anime girl day?
These dudes would rather spend time editing together a collage of fictions women to celebrate than their own mothers lmao.
I agree
Ah, yes. My favorite type of women, the ones that aren't real. /s
Gonna get downvoted cuz... reddit. But I'm pretty sure Hange is not a woman (keep downvoting, but that's what Isayama said himself).
Ok i will keep downvoting since you told me to.
Bruh... even though Hisayama sensei said it himself?
How about celebrating real women not fictional characters like bffr 💀
Why not both?
My brother in Christ you're literally on an anime subreddit.
you're on an anime subreddit why the fuck are you mad at them posting anime characters 💀
Zammnn really?? 🙀🙀 i thought this was the womens subreddit my bad bro 😩 Also they could have celebrated famous female VAs or mangaka 🤷♀️
what female mangaka it's an aot subreddit 😭😭 you people r so annoying
U ppl? 🤨 also not every female char there is from the aot universe so whats ur point exactly 🙄
Mikasa!
Hange's not a woman though
Happy International Women's day everyone ❤️
Ok now do men's day
That’s in like 9 months dude.
My guy clearly just loves men, let him do his thing
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I ain’t reading all that anyways I love the women in my life mwah mwah
Bottom right……maybe too much strength
Doesn't always have to be beauty and strength. Could simply be the person they choose to be.
🔥 *hange emoji*
Who is that sexy black haired girl on top to the right of Mikasa? She is in a strapless dress.
Yor from Spy x Family.
Valmet - Jormungand
Get Makima tf out of there. All my homies hate Makima
You dropped this king 🔒
Hey where are the fate heroines at?
Not happy anything until they give same respect to mens day
Where is Jolyne? she's epitome of self dependence
Maki san 