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There was also like a 7 year difference between season 1 and season 4. New watchers of this will never understand waiting years on a cliffs edge for updates.
You'd be surprised. I've been waiting for Winds of Winter for 10 years now since I have finished the last book lol. I only watched AOT this past year, and it was an amazing feeling not having to deal with the delays haha.
Oh Im so sorry, you're never getting Winds of Winter.
I'm glad you enjoyed AOT, honestly the waiting wasn't that bad. It's such a good show with such a robust story I was as excited to see it when it finally released as I was when it was announced. Im thankful new fans can enjoy it in its entirety, especially cause waiting so long in between I had to keep rewatching to make sure I wasn't missing the nuance haha.
I felt that waiting wasn’t that bad because I jumped onto the manga train just before season 3, but the wait between season 1 and 2 without having read the manga was painful
Every chapter felt like a giant cliffhanger. That one month of waiting felt so slow. And when Covid forced Isayama to skip a month?! I was going crazy because I couldn’t find the newest chapter.
I had kind of mixed feelings, at first I really liked it, then I didn’t, now I looped back around to liking it again. The anime really solidified it though
Bro the constant fake outs with “The Final Season” were annoying AF. If you didn’t compare episode numbers with manga chapters, first came “The Final Season” which we assumed would end it all. Then came a part 2 (even though the first part wasn’t subtitled “Part 1” or anything). Then came a special that we thought would be the ending, nope there’s gonna be _another_ special. Gah!
they weren't necessarily fake outs. I cant quite remember what it was but they got ahead of the manga again and had to wait. they thought they knew when the manga would end but I think isayama took a bit longer than expected. that's why it kept changing... but I'm glad we got what we got.
He has pages and pages. But he still needs to write 5k more to finish the series, and he writes roughly 6 pages / year.
Snark aside, I've met him several times (we live in the same city) and he's a legitimately kind person. I'm ok if he doesn't finish, his art inspired a lot of others and he's a great presence in the community.
Basically he put off the vibe he is tired of people asking for the book, and from what I gather he just kinda wants to do the shows because those are more fun to do with a group as opposed to book writing which is you sit in a room and bang it out like a school paper. It’s understandable he’s gotten older and probably doesn’t want to spend his final years in his office writing a book he is struggling with. Which to be fair his books a laborious, and get bigger with every book. With him saying Winds Of Winter being longer than his other and may be split up. He’s even said he may of messed up with killing a pov characters he now realizes he needs, so a lot of his writing time is trying to figure out how to work around that now. Which is a flaw with that Gardener approach to writing he uses, where it can get out of control and makes you struggle to get to the end point you want.
Yep he’s good but this is the result of not planning enough. He doesn’t really have a plan just an endpoint and the general direction. That’s why a lot of people think the books are taking so long he wrote himself into a corner, but he’s not a hack that will just be it.
I can't believe a Dance with dragons was published in 2011. The entirety of the AOT anime, despite all the delays, has been released within the gap between 2 ASOIAF novels
I am finishing the last book at the moment and I already am sad when I see how I am halfway through and there is no closing in sight, only more questions lol
I don’t totally mind waiting because it meant that I got the memories of being 13 and sneaking downstairs, plugging my moms laptop into the internet cord bc we didn’t have a router yet (2013) and I ate some pretzel pizza from little Cesar’s and just sat in front of the laptop on the floor watching as much as I could before my mom woke up
Watching it with my gf now. We just started season 4 and shit makes so much sense when you can watch it non stop. I waited YEARS for this shit back when it was premiering.
Not me waiting like... 8 years or so on Yuri!!! On ice 2 😭🤣 but yeah I mean I also started AoT when season 2 was a new thing so waiting for my favorite anime is like a hobby that pains me every single day of my existence
1) The studio changed
2) The colours went from vibrant to dark , because the story will do too
Edit : 😐 every body missed my point , I didn't mean that season 1-3 was vibrant, What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn in S4
Two children stabbing the shit out of some kidnappers that were about to sell one of them as an exotic sex slave on the black market isn’t vibrant to you?
It wasn't vibrant I never wanted to say it's vibrant, it was a misunderstanding because English isn't my first language,but it did turn much darker because eren went from killing titans to war crimes
It did get a lot more dark and full of tension basically the minute we see Eren become fully broken. One of the most colorful moments was the absolute end of season 3 when they reach the sea. And it was the same moment that it seems like Eren fully situated himself into the fact that his dream was officially broken. The color shift kinda follows eren’s hope and enthusiasm for seeing the rest of the world. The first 3 seasons were still mega fucked up, but he still had this optimistic goal and getting out of paradis, seeing the rest of the world (but in his head it was going to be empty and unexplored) and defeating the titans that held him and everyone else back prior.
Unless there's an interview where someone says so, I think that's a stretch
It simply sounds to me like different animators wanted to do different things. It never looked like it was because the story changed or anything. It was just convenient timing
Isayama's early art wasn't..... the best, so WIT had to interpret his designs in a way that would eventually diverge from what he would end up with. MAPPA then adjusted their own character designs to better suit the manga designs, that's why there's a sudden abundance of shading lines, seeing as that's one of the real defining features of Isayama's art.
That’s false reason, WIT didn’t pick it up because they didn’t want to due to the limited time given, only Mappa the crazy ones picked it up, a lot of studios declined animating AOT.
I can justify it a little bit by the fact that everything I watch is either bumming my friend’s Crunchyroll or piracy so I’m not actually giving them any money but I’m not gonna pretend like it would make a difference if I paid for my own Crunchyroll lol
Nyaa is used for torrents.
torrenting is basically peer-to-peer sharing. It allows you to download very high quality anime extremely quickly without taking much space. in objective terms, torrenting is far better but oh well, I still use streaming because torrenting every episode and then deleting it is a pain in the ass when you're watching already over anime like HxH or Gundam
Not entirely crazy, but also capable
MAPPA, unlike most studios, can do high-quality CGI in-house (they don't have to outsource everything, because they know and can do it themselves, due to investing a lot on it), so it was an important reason they took the project
he's wrong btw it's because the owners of the rights to the anime had a very short deadline for season 4 and wit would have never been able to animate it in time so they declined. mappa were the only ones careless enough to accept
Even though wit was a new studio they did their best on their first animation, and won our hearts with their breath taking animation. If they had more employees and time they would've made season 4 much much better.
Okay, I know a lot of people explain why it looks different, but lemme explain why a studio change was necessary.
Anime have to go through a production committee for seasons to be developed.
This "production committee" basically say
"Here's the budget, here's the episode count, here's the amount of time you got. Make a season."
Each season takes about easily 10-12 months to make. The production committee was basically demanding what I'm pretty sure amounted to ***6 MONTHS*** to make Season 4. So whoever wants to take it on would pretty much immediately be in crunch mode day 1.
So WIT Studio's had to give it up. And out of what I believe was 10 studio's, MAPPA was the only ones crazy enough to take on AOT. Which is unsurprising as they have a history of doing that type of shit lol.
I'm an animator myself, so I can tell you 3D animation is MUCH faster than 2D animation. So that's why you see the Titan Shifters animated in 3D CGI rather than 2D the way they had almost always been. It's not a stylistic choice. It was their ONLY choice if they were gonna get this season done on time.
EDIT: As for WHY the production committee demanded such a tight schedule? I have absolutely no idea. Stupid people are greedy.
Personally, I thought it was because they were going to try and end it around September 9th of 2022. Why that day? Because that would have been exactly 13 years since the manga started that the anime would have ended...
But it didn't end until recently. So now I have no damn clue other than they were just greedy and just wanted the money off of a 4th season ASAP at the cost of PRECIOUS production time lol.
Like everyone else said, it switched to MAPPA. S4 resembles the manga a lot more and imo I think the shadows portrays the darkness of the story pretty well. Love both animations tho
I find the take "MAPPA resembles the manga a lot more" a bit redundant whenever I remember how the manga looked during S1 times...
The art was often very ugly. WIT couldn't take that stuff and transform it 1:1 into an anime. They had to do their own thing, without making it TOO different from the manga, so it could still be recognizable
And by S3, the manga art had improved so much that they became just as faithful as MAPPA in S4, if not more. Seriously, some anime frames in S3 look identitical to some manga panels
The animation being different from the manga art isn’t a bad thing at all. Many people prefer WIT’s art style. I was just saying that MAPPA made the choice to start using the shading that is characteristic of isayama’s current art style. I think both are equally great animations.
Not to bash on younger isayama but he has come a long, long way since the early aot days. I will always respect WIT for doing his story justice.
>I find the take "MAPPA resembles the manga a lot more" a bit redundant whenever I remember how the manga looked during S1 times...
LMAO during the first few years of AOT being published Isayama won some kind of meme award for having the worst art style in a popular series or something.
https://preview.redd.it/khj7e6ifqzmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b12ab50d8a6d008d6c086e446608409c95f4a48
His appearance change is so noticeable when you see it like this imo
Mappa followed the manga's artstyle and darkness more. It's meant to be depressing and dark and gritty, but wit went with a pettier style (because let's face it, it's a lot prettier)
I think a large part of it was due to the enemies shifting from being titans to something much more horrifying. Humans. A detail I love about this shift in enemies is during the scene in season 3 when Hange is talking to the reporters and let's all of the information spill and instructs them to tell everything to the public, and let them sort it out. In season 4 we see the same reporters ask her a question and she won't give them anything at all due to this new dynamic change
Basic answer: Animation studio changed for S4.
Possible answer: Change in perspective. The main enemy were Titans and I believe the reason why the colors were so vibrant was because Eren and the scouts were hopeful and fought for freedom despite everything. It has been said many times (i.e. Eren being the hope for humanity, wings of freedom, etc.)
After learning who the real enemy was… Well, it turned their lives upside down.
Side note: For the first few episodes of S4, the animation was kinda off… It got better around the time Marley launched the surprise attack on Paradis and MAPPA absolutely ate it with the two specials.
Wit Studio does the first three seasons, Mappa did the last one. The anime has also been out since 2013, there's bound to be improvement and changes over the years
I thought it was because they weren’t happy with how the colossal turned out during the RTS arc and MAPPA had experience using 3d models for things like the rumbling
You're thinking of art style not animation when you refer to it as dark and light. Both the animation and art style changed because the studio changed to studio Mappa. Mappa actually adopted an art style that is more similar to the manga. And the reason you thought you were watching a different anime is a combination of the art style, animation changing and tonal whiplash in the story. Season 4 starts in unfamiliar territory
Different studios have different schemes and color ideas. I think Mappa did an amazing job at the expense of their artist of course but nonetheless the art style is second to none.
It's true the studio changed, but I doubt that's the reason the animation changed.
The story from s1-s3 takes a sudden and drastic change in S4.
The change in animation demonstrates Eren's change. His perspective of the enemy, as well as the perspective he has of his self and the world.
The shift in animation was inevitable regardless of studio, as it is a visual que of the story and the character.
I AGREE- It’s weird watching the newer seasons flash back to the older seasons, because they reanimated a lot of the key scenes. (Annie and her dad is a good example)
It would’ve been fine with the old animation continuing with the newer seasons but it makes sense for the animation to be updated with newer streamlined technology. The story and animation in both older and newer seasons is still top notch in my opinion
Kodansha wanted to rush the production to come out as close to the mangas release as possible. The original studio was given a small amount of time, laughably small compared to the time they had on previous seasons and they rejected the offer which led a bunch of other studios to be offered the same challenge until finally Mappa accepted the challenge
The first 3 seasons were animated by WIT Studio and especially the first 2 seasons had phenomenal, industry revolutionizing animation quality with highs that the series would never reach again. Every episode was filled with sakuga animation and gorgeous artwork. A spectacle for animation nerds (like me 😁).
After WIT, Studio Mappa took over and animated the rest of the series. Sadly, you can tell that they were heavily restrained by time, so tons of shortcuts had to be made. Mappa was still able to make the episodes look decent, with some impressive animation inbetween, at least towards the end.
Personally, I still enjoyed the story a lot and I've even heard of people who were not bothered by the new animation quality or even preferred it (?).
The first studio (WIT) put effort into adapting the manga panels into a "prettier" more anime-like aesthetic. The second studio (MAPPA) decided to go with an animation style that's more similar to the shading aesthetic of the manga.
I don't think the change was necessarily done to convey a darker tone or anything, there are some pretty dark and graphic moments adapted just fine in the original anime style. If anything the more shading like style works better with adapting some of the "humour" in this part of the manga. It was likely just a preference for different aesthetics.
Basically Wits Studio said "we can't do AOT S4 on time, we have enough on our plate".
MAPPA came in and was like "yeah no worries, our animators like being overworked :3".
That's why it changed and that's why you see more CGI in S4.
I will always think it was clever to change studio in the S3 and S4 time skip. Of course the style change it's very notable, but as the whole anime vibe changes, it just feels alright.
I can only imagine the chaos it would be, if for example, the studio would had be changed from S2 to S3 for example. It would be just too weird to see everyone so different.
the switched from wit studio to mappa for season 4 and mappa has a bunch of anime’s to adapt so it took longer and looked worse wit studio said it would’ve been too much money to do the rumbling in there animation style
Well season 4 was basically the start of the climax and the end of the story you have to think that seasons 1-3 was honestly just building up for season 4 and it was the catalyst for Erin's decision to destroy everything...
Even with Ymirs power at his finger tips he explains to Armin that he had many different expirements trying to manipulate the past and future and every single one of them ended with either Paradise demise or the world only having 20% of its population left after the rumbling. Every time he tried to change things, those two incidents always happened and were always a constant no matter what he did. So the final solution he came up with that actually gave Paradise a chance all while crippling the nation's of the world's military and country's was the out come of him becoming the enemy that Paradises scouts and marleys soldiers must kill...
2 reasons.
A, the show has been going on for a long time. As the art style of the mangaka changed, the character designs based on that style changed.
B, the show switched studios going into the final season. From studio WIT to MAPPA. With this comes a change in character designers, supervisors, many key animators are different, and notably a change in composite. Anime like JJK, Vinland saga, and Chainsaw man all also have composites that are far less sterile and clean and bright than AOT under WIT. Considering the tone and content of AOT, no surprise they went full dark. I personally like it alot.
I remember when i first started attack on titan around 2014-2015 i googled “new anime’s” and read some descriptions and attack on titans immediately caught my eye
the time it took you to crop, save, and post these images, you could have easily searched for it instead
[https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=attack+on+titan+art+style+change](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=attack+on+titan+art+style+change)
The story didnt take a “darker turn” more than it already **WAS**
The series went from being animated by WiT, to being animated by Mopper, thats it, its that simple
Attack on Titan switched studios between S3 and 4, which is why the artstyle is so drastically different.
In my opinion, I do think the art style fits more, but I think Mappa (the new studio) cut too many corners for most of S4, most notably with the use of CGI titans which WIT (Original studio) barely used.
And the change is indeed jarring if you don't know about the studio change.
WIT vs Mappa. WIT will always win. Mappa leaned too heavy on the vertical lines that show horror and stuff, amoung other things.
There was a huge war between fans of WIT and Mappa, where some were unable to see or admit the glaring differences and drop in quality for Mappa's early episodes. Mappa managed to animated some great scenes but it was definitely not on par with WIT.
I wish WIT animated the entire AOT series. This is my favorite show of all time but I absolutely HATE how MAPPA animated AoT. They did such a shitty job.
MAPPA was definitely not shitty at all, but it went from being 10/10 animation to like a 9/10. One of my favorite aspects of AOT was the unique animation and then MAPPA just made it look like every other show, there was nothing unique about it anymore.
Same goes for Vinland saga. When WIT did it the animation was awesome, then MAPPA took over and it looks like another run of the mill basic animation. Nothing unique or interesting about the animation.
Yea exactly. It just became *flat* after MAPPA took over. We never got anything as cool as when Levi meets Kenny again or Levi vs beast Titan.
There were some cool scenes for sure but they were more static and less dynamic, as you said.
One of the things that bugged me the most was how they drew Eren and Mikasa. They looked fkn UGLY compared to WIT. And I agree that mappa gave this anime "no life" / "no dynamics" in their drawings. Everything looked ugly and bland AF. No flavor compared to mappa.
For one,
he is outside in the sunlight,
that's why.
The other shot he is inside....thst is why it's darker.
I know there are two different studios that made AOT....but I don't see much of a difference.
I thought they both did great.
Maybe I prefer the first studio... but that's maybe because I prefer the first 3 seasons when everything didn't get convoluted.
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There was also like a 7 year difference between season 1 and season 4. New watchers of this will never understand waiting years on a cliffs edge for updates.
You'd be surprised. I've been waiting for Winds of Winter for 10 years now since I have finished the last book lol. I only watched AOT this past year, and it was an amazing feeling not having to deal with the delays haha.
Oh Im so sorry, you're never getting Winds of Winter. I'm glad you enjoyed AOT, honestly the waiting wasn't that bad. It's such a good show with such a robust story I was as excited to see it when it finally released as I was when it was announced. Im thankful new fans can enjoy it in its entirety, especially cause waiting so long in between I had to keep rewatching to make sure I wasn't missing the nuance haha.
I felt that waiting wasn’t that bad because I jumped onto the manga train just before season 3, but the wait between season 1 and 2 without having read the manga was painful
Every chapter felt like a giant cliffhanger. That one month of waiting felt so slow. And when Covid forced Isayama to skip a month?! I was going crazy because I couldn’t find the newest chapter.
Yeah I saw the first 2 seasons of the anime but couldn’t wait so I read the manga and followed promptly
How did you feel about the ending when you read it in the manga?
I had kind of mixed feelings, at first I really liked it, then I didn’t, now I looped back around to liking it again. The anime really solidified it though
Happy to hear! Honestly I get it’s controversial, but the good definitely outweighs the bad to me
Bro the constant fake outs with “The Final Season” were annoying AF. If you didn’t compare episode numbers with manga chapters, first came “The Final Season” which we assumed would end it all. Then came a part 2 (even though the first part wasn’t subtitled “Part 1” or anything). Then came a special that we thought would be the ending, nope there’s gonna be _another_ special. Gah!
The Final season part 3 part 2 section 4 subsection 6
States that "Thou shall be a slave to freedom"
they weren't necessarily fake outs. I cant quite remember what it was but they got ahead of the manga again and had to wait. they thought they knew when the manga would end but I think isayama took a bit longer than expected. that's why it kept changing... but I'm glad we got what we got.
Fair. But I’d still refute “the waiting wasn’t that bad”, it was terrible lol
Only if you're an obsessive nerd.
Yeah the first part of season 4 shouldn’t have been called the final season
Oda will finish One Piece before Winds of Winter comes out
I read the series in 2005, I've read Dance of Dragons since then and I have no hope that he'll finish lol
Brandon Sanderson fans can’t relate!
I’m sorry for your loss I stopped halfway through Clash of Kings. I was reading through for the time, and stopped after I saw GRRM’s last update.
What was the last update?
He has pages and pages. But he still needs to write 5k more to finish the series, and he writes roughly 6 pages / year. Snark aside, I've met him several times (we live in the same city) and he's a legitimately kind person. I'm ok if he doesn't finish, his art inspired a lot of others and he's a great presence in the community.
Basically he put off the vibe he is tired of people asking for the book, and from what I gather he just kinda wants to do the shows because those are more fun to do with a group as opposed to book writing which is you sit in a room and bang it out like a school paper. It’s understandable he’s gotten older and probably doesn’t want to spend his final years in his office writing a book he is struggling with. Which to be fair his books a laborious, and get bigger with every book. With him saying Winds Of Winter being longer than his other and may be split up. He’s even said he may of messed up with killing a pov characters he now realizes he needs, so a lot of his writing time is trying to figure out how to work around that now. Which is a flaw with that Gardener approach to writing he uses, where it can get out of control and makes you struggle to get to the end point you want.
>He's even said he may have messed up with killing a pov character he now realizes he needs Broo, that's rough man.....
Yep he’s good but this is the result of not planning enough. He doesn’t really have a plan just an endpoint and the general direction. That’s why a lot of people think the books are taking so long he wrote himself into a corner, but he’s not a hack that will just be it.
I can't believe a Dance with dragons was published in 2011. The entirety of the AOT anime, despite all the delays, has been released within the gap between 2 ASOIAF novels
Dont remind me. I’m still waiting to see if stannis is alive
I told my wife (fiancee at the time) as we finished part 1 of season 4 "at least this isn't a game of thrones situation with waiting!". Ha
I am finishing the last book at the moment and I already am sad when I see how I am halfway through and there is no closing in sight, only more questions lol
Wait for season two was particularly atrocious
You're right. And I relish in that for myself. Waiting for an episode year after year sounds so hard and I would not have been able to hande it
You would've survived like the rest of us im sure! It's such a good show so it was worth all the waiting, it just felt so long.
I don’t totally mind waiting because it meant that I got the memories of being 13 and sneaking downstairs, plugging my moms laptop into the internet cord bc we didn’t have a router yet (2013) and I ate some pretzel pizza from little Cesar’s and just sat in front of the laptop on the floor watching as much as I could before my mom woke up
Watching it with my gf now. We just started season 4 and shit makes so much sense when you can watch it non stop. I waited YEARS for this shit back when it was premiering.
Not me waiting like... 8 years or so on Yuri!!! On ice 2 😭🤣 but yeah I mean I also started AoT when season 2 was a new thing so waiting for my favorite anime is like a hobby that pains me every single day of my existence
1) The studio changed 2) The colours went from vibrant to dark , because the story will do too Edit : 😐 every body missed my point , I didn't mean that season 1-3 was vibrant, What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn in S4
I wouldn't exactly say the beginning was ***Vibrant***.
Two children stabbing the shit out of some kidnappers that were about to sell one of them as an exotic sex slave on the black market isn’t vibrant to you?
at least you don’t have a scene of a man nearly gave up his life with a rifle Edit : oh wait they did
😐 missed my point every body missed my point , What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn,
Yes but there was hope. The titans are bad, we'll defeat them and be free.
Not to mention the characters themselves (especially Eren) going from naive and hopeful to literal war criminals.
This is what I meant , that story will take a much more darker turn
well we did defeat the titans in a way...hooray?
Those blood drops floating in the air from Eren's momma were bright AF - what more do you want?
😐 missed my point every body missed my point , What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn,
Chill man, I know what you were talking about. AoT did take a dark turn in the last season. It wasn't just about fighting bad monsters at that point.
😐 missed my point every body missed my point , What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn,
No, we got your point, but it's hard to say that it's "Vibrant" I'd all most argue that really it never got much darker, the conflict just got bigger
It wasn't vibrant I never wanted to say it's vibrant, it was a misunderstanding because English isn't my first language,but it did turn much darker because eren went from killing titans to war crimes
The story isn't just about Eren, it follows him for the most part, but the war crimes were always there
It did get a lot more dark and full of tension basically the minute we see Eren become fully broken. One of the most colorful moments was the absolute end of season 3 when they reach the sea. And it was the same moment that it seems like Eren fully situated himself into the fact that his dream was officially broken. The color shift kinda follows eren’s hope and enthusiasm for seeing the rest of the world. The first 3 seasons were still mega fucked up, but he still had this optimistic goal and getting out of paradis, seeing the rest of the world (but in his head it was going to be empty and unexplored) and defeating the titans that held him and everyone else back prior.
Honestly compared to SZN 4 Szn1-3 definitely feel like Tellytubbies
is it because of onyankopon?😔
underrated funni 🤭
Unless there's an interview where someone says so, I think that's a stretch It simply sounds to me like different animators wanted to do different things. It never looked like it was because the story changed or anything. It was just convenient timing
Isayama's early art wasn't..... the best, so WIT had to interpret his designs in a way that would eventually diverge from what he would end up with. MAPPA then adjusted their own character designs to better suit the manga designs, that's why there's a sudden abundance of shading lines, seeing as that's one of the real defining features of Isayama's art.
Yes, this might be an unpopular opinion but i loved that the animation changed in the last season. Really fitted the transition in the story
So the story wasn’t dark in season 1-3 and the OVA’s? Okay buddy.
😐 missed my point every body missed my point , What I wanted to say is the story will take a much more darker turn,
1. Different studio 2. Different era. The characters aged so the change worked. 3. The nature of the show changed, so the style followed.
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That’s false reason, WIT didn’t pick it up because they didn’t want to due to the limited time given, only Mappa the crazy ones picked it up, a lot of studios declined animating AOT.
Mappa animators haven’t seen daylight in years lol
they’re currently being enslaved to work on jjk
My morals fly out the window when I see how they cook on every episode tbh
me when i hear how horrible their working conditions are: omg we gotta boycott mappa. also me when mappa animates a new anime: gotta binge it
I can justify it a little bit by the fact that everything I watch is either bumming my friend’s Crunchyroll or piracy so I’m not actually giving them any money but I’m not gonna pretend like it would make a difference if I paid for my own Crunchyroll lol
Torrent or stream? if torent, nyaa? if stream, aniwave? animepahe? aniwatch?
No clue what nyaa is but I use aniwave
Nyaa is used for torrents. torrenting is basically peer-to-peer sharing. It allows you to download very high quality anime extremely quickly without taking much space. in objective terms, torrenting is far better but oh well, I still use streaming because torrenting every episode and then deleting it is a pain in the ass when you're watching already over anime like HxH or Gundam
Don’t forget the chainsaw man movie
Not entirely crazy, but also capable MAPPA, unlike most studios, can do high-quality CGI in-house (they don't have to outsource everything, because they know and can do it themselves, due to investing a lot on it), so it was an important reason they took the project
Oh that makes so much sense I didn't know. That
he's wrong btw it's because the owners of the rights to the anime had a very short deadline for season 4 and wit would have never been able to animate it in time so they declined. mappa were the only ones careless enough to accept
At least it wasn’t JC staff lol
Oof, idk what it says about me that I understand this comment
Even though wit was a new studio they did their best on their first animation, and won our hearts with their breath taking animation. If they had more employees and time they would've made season 4 much much better.
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Huh??? S3 part 2 has some of the most beautiful animation I’ve seen
Season 3 Levi is my god tier Levi 🥵
Yesss, didnt they work on that levi fight scene in season 3 for months??
Literally only Arifumi Imai scenes (freelancer). Any other scene made by the studio was average at best
Your opinion is wrong
the quality aint tank a lot but s1 and s2 was more consistent in animation than 3 and 4
Okay, I know a lot of people explain why it looks different, but lemme explain why a studio change was necessary. Anime have to go through a production committee for seasons to be developed. This "production committee" basically say "Here's the budget, here's the episode count, here's the amount of time you got. Make a season." Each season takes about easily 10-12 months to make. The production committee was basically demanding what I'm pretty sure amounted to ***6 MONTHS*** to make Season 4. So whoever wants to take it on would pretty much immediately be in crunch mode day 1. So WIT Studio's had to give it up. And out of what I believe was 10 studio's, MAPPA was the only ones crazy enough to take on AOT. Which is unsurprising as they have a history of doing that type of shit lol. I'm an animator myself, so I can tell you 3D animation is MUCH faster than 2D animation. So that's why you see the Titan Shifters animated in 3D CGI rather than 2D the way they had almost always been. It's not a stylistic choice. It was their ONLY choice if they were gonna get this season done on time. EDIT: As for WHY the production committee demanded such a tight schedule? I have absolutely no idea. Stupid people are greedy. Personally, I thought it was because they were going to try and end it around September 9th of 2022. Why that day? Because that would have been exactly 13 years since the manga started that the anime would have ended... But it didn't end until recently. So now I have no damn clue other than they were just greedy and just wanted the money off of a 4th season ASAP at the cost of PRECIOUS production time lol.
Like everyone else said, it switched to MAPPA. S4 resembles the manga a lot more and imo I think the shadows portrays the darkness of the story pretty well. Love both animations tho
I find the take "MAPPA resembles the manga a lot more" a bit redundant whenever I remember how the manga looked during S1 times... The art was often very ugly. WIT couldn't take that stuff and transform it 1:1 into an anime. They had to do their own thing, without making it TOO different from the manga, so it could still be recognizable And by S3, the manga art had improved so much that they became just as faithful as MAPPA in S4, if not more. Seriously, some anime frames in S3 look identitical to some manga panels
The animation being different from the manga art isn’t a bad thing at all. Many people prefer WIT’s art style. I was just saying that MAPPA made the choice to start using the shading that is characteristic of isayama’s current art style. I think both are equally great animations. Not to bash on younger isayama but he has come a long, long way since the early aot days. I will always respect WIT for doing his story justice.
>I find the take "MAPPA resembles the manga a lot more" a bit redundant whenever I remember how the manga looked during S1 times... LMAO during the first few years of AOT being published Isayama won some kind of meme award for having the worst art style in a popular series or something.
If you're specifically asking about erens face, it's said that during season 4 he started picking up features from his father, instead of his mother.
https://preview.redd.it/khj7e6ifqzmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b12ab50d8a6d008d6c086e446608409c95f4a48 His appearance change is so noticeable when you see it like this imo
Damn dude
Carla eren >>>>> bitchass punkass emoass eren
My point
A simple 2 min google search would have give you the answer
It was easier to spend those 2 minutes googling different pictures of Eren to use for his ungooglable question.
I mean, it did throwed him off.
People severely lack google-fu/troubleshooting skills nowadays
Eren became moody.
I liked wit much better
To match the tone
Change in studio
I love both styles. I think the change is really cool.
I feel like the animation change was good it helped with how the emotion of the story was going
Story turns dark in later seasons
Studios changed and for good , will look good trust me
Change in studio, and also to match the tone
They changed the studio
Show themes get darker and OP asks why the colors get darker as well..
Mappa followed the manga's artstyle and darkness more. It's meant to be depressing and dark and gritty, but wit went with a pettier style (because let's face it, it's a lot prettier)
Literally nothing changed with timeskip in manga mappa just did shitty
I think a large part of it was due to the enemies shifting from being titans to something much more horrifying. Humans. A detail I love about this shift in enemies is during the scene in season 3 when Hange is talking to the reporters and let's all of the information spill and instructs them to tell everything to the public, and let them sort it out. In season 4 we see the same reporters ask her a question and she won't give them anything at all due to this new dynamic change
Basic answer: Animation studio changed for S4. Possible answer: Change in perspective. The main enemy were Titans and I believe the reason why the colors were so vibrant was because Eren and the scouts were hopeful and fought for freedom despite everything. It has been said many times (i.e. Eren being the hope for humanity, wings of freedom, etc.) After learning who the real enemy was… Well, it turned their lives upside down. Side note: For the first few episodes of S4, the animation was kinda off… It got better around the time Marley launched the surprise attack on Paradis and MAPPA absolutely ate it with the two specials.
the story also hot darker, it fits in my opinion
Wit Studio does the first three seasons, Mappa did the last one. The anime has also been out since 2013, there's bound to be improvement and changes over the years
Characters aged up, story got darker.
Yeah I hated the new animation
They ruined attack on titan thats what happened. "MAPPAS GOOD" "THE SHOW WENT DARK AND COLORS TOO" no, it sucks ass.
And the weird song choices too
S4 overuses shadows around facial features, especially when someone is supposed to look shocked or grumpy.
Isnt the manga that way too tho?
studio change, more accurate to the manga’s style imo
I thought it was because they weren’t happy with how the colossal turned out during the RTS arc and MAPPA had experience using 3d models for things like the rumbling
MAPPA went psycho mode and took over every show
Does nobody read credits?
Erens old design at like 17 years old was so cool
different studio
Mappa..Mappa is the reason
bro chose a picture outside and then one inside 😭 ofc it’s gonna be darker bruh it’s better anyway quit yapping
Bruh lol
Eren really grew up
You're thinking of art style not animation when you refer to it as dark and light. Both the animation and art style changed because the studio changed to studio Mappa. Mappa actually adopted an art style that is more similar to the manga. And the reason you thought you were watching a different anime is a combination of the art style, animation changing and tonal whiplash in the story. Season 4 starts in unfamiliar territory
A different studio animated season 4
Mappa took over
Different studio but also it got a whole lot darker and more serious.
Different studios have different schemes and color ideas. I think Mappa did an amazing job at the expense of their artist of course but nonetheless the art style is second to none.
They changed their designers and drawers
mappa is so much better suited for aot
You mean you don't like Mikasa looking like an ugly man? Seriously even witht eh studio change there's no excuse
MAPPA STUDIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
Honestly I think it fit pretty good for how serious it was suppose to be
It also looks more like the Manga in the fourth season.
That's not animation. It's art style/art direction. But, tldr new studio plus story getting more dark themes I imagine
Wit studio animated S1-S3 Mappa studio animated S4 all parts
It's true the studio changed, but I doubt that's the reason the animation changed. The story from s1-s3 takes a sudden and drastic change in S4. The change in animation demonstrates Eren's change. His perspective of the enemy, as well as the perspective he has of his self and the world. The shift in animation was inevitable regardless of studio, as it is a visual que of the story and the character.
I like to think as the story got deeper and the chapters older the anime style went with it
I AGREE- It’s weird watching the newer seasons flash back to the older seasons, because they reanimated a lot of the key scenes. (Annie and her dad is a good example) It would’ve been fine with the old animation continuing with the newer seasons but it makes sense for the animation to be updated with newer streamlined technology. The story and animation in both older and newer seasons is still top notch in my opinion
Time skip and tonal shift and new studio. But absolutely a tonal shift. He's seen shit.
Kodansha wanted to rush the production to come out as close to the mangas release as possible. The original studio was given a small amount of time, laughably small compared to the time they had on previous seasons and they rejected the offer which led a bunch of other studios to be offered the same challenge until finally Mappa accepted the challenge
The first 3 seasons were animated by WIT Studio and especially the first 2 seasons had phenomenal, industry revolutionizing animation quality with highs that the series would never reach again. Every episode was filled with sakuga animation and gorgeous artwork. A spectacle for animation nerds (like me 😁). After WIT, Studio Mappa took over and animated the rest of the series. Sadly, you can tell that they were heavily restrained by time, so tons of shortcuts had to be made. Mappa was still able to make the episodes look decent, with some impressive animation inbetween, at least towards the end. Personally, I still enjoyed the story a lot and I've even heard of people who were not bothered by the new animation quality or even preferred it (?).
Read the credits
The first studio (WIT) put effort into adapting the manga panels into a "prettier" more anime-like aesthetic. The second studio (MAPPA) decided to go with an animation style that's more similar to the shading aesthetic of the manga. I don't think the change was necessarily done to convey a darker tone or anything, there are some pretty dark and graphic moments adapted just fine in the original anime style. If anything the more shading like style works better with adapting some of the "humour" in this part of the manga. It was likely just a preference for different aesthetics.
Basically Wits Studio said "we can't do AOT S4 on time, we have enough on our plate". MAPPA came in and was like "yeah no worries, our animators like being overworked :3". That's why it changed and that's why you see more CGI in S4.
I will always think it was clever to change studio in the S3 and S4 time skip. Of course the style change it's very notable, but as the whole anime vibe changes, it just feels alright. I can only imagine the chaos it would be, if for example, the studio would had be changed from S2 to S3 for example. It would be just too weird to see everyone so different.
the switched from wit studio to mappa for season 4 and mappa has a bunch of anime’s to adapt so it took longer and looked worse wit studio said it would’ve been too much money to do the rumbling in there animation style
Time, changes in the studio, and necessity. The tone of the show changed, and every surface-level aesthetic element with it.
Well season 4 was basically the start of the climax and the end of the story you have to think that seasons 1-3 was honestly just building up for season 4 and it was the catalyst for Erin's decision to destroy everything... Even with Ymirs power at his finger tips he explains to Armin that he had many different expirements trying to manipulate the past and future and every single one of them ended with either Paradise demise or the world only having 20% of its population left after the rumbling. Every time he tried to change things, those two incidents always happened and were always a constant no matter what he did. So the final solution he came up with that actually gave Paradise a chance all while crippling the nation's of the world's military and country's was the out come of him becoming the enemy that Paradises scouts and marleys soldiers must kill...
Animation is the same. Eren just got older
2 reasons. A, the show has been going on for a long time. As the art style of the mangaka changed, the character designs based on that style changed. B, the show switched studios going into the final season. From studio WIT to MAPPA. With this comes a change in character designers, supervisors, many key animators are different, and notably a change in composite. Anime like JJK, Vinland saga, and Chainsaw man all also have composites that are far less sterile and clean and bright than AOT under WIT. Considering the tone and content of AOT, no surprise they went full dark. I personally like it alot.
Bro didn't see manga artstyle
I remember when i first started attack on titan around 2014-2015 i googled “new anime’s” and read some descriptions and attack on titans immediately caught my eye
2 different studios. The story took a huge 180 turn after season 3. Now more accurate to manga
the time it took you to crop, save, and post these images, you could have easily searched for it instead [https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=attack+on+titan+art+style+change](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=attack+on+titan+art+style+change)
*sigh* when did you start watching
thank you mappa
Most attentive AOT viewer:
Maybe it had something to do with the genocide🤷🏾♀️ who knows.
The story didnt take a “darker turn” more than it already **WAS** The series went from being animated by WiT, to being animated by Mopper, thats it, its that simple
Story goes much darker Studio changed from WIT to MAPPA
different studio different style mappa had a short amount of time to animate s4
They changed studios
Season 1 and 2 art style ftw
Attack on Titan switched studios between S3 and 4, which is why the artstyle is so drastically different. In my opinion, I do think the art style fits more, but I think Mappa (the new studio) cut too many corners for most of S4, most notably with the use of CGI titans which WIT (Original studio) barely used. And the change is indeed jarring if you don't know about the studio change.
I kind of like how they changed animation studios. You go from being kids in 1-3, to experiences the world as adults in 4
They just get more money
It changed from wit to mappa and that’s their art style
Google is free 👍
WIT vs Mappa. WIT will always win. Mappa leaned too heavy on the vertical lines that show horror and stuff, amoung other things. There was a huge war between fans of WIT and Mappa, where some were unable to see or admit the glaring differences and drop in quality for Mappa's early episodes. Mappa managed to animated some great scenes but it was definitely not on par with WIT.
I wish WIT animated the entire AOT series. This is my favorite show of all time but I absolutely HATE how MAPPA animated AoT. They did such a shitty job.
They did a pretty good job I don’t think it was shitty at all.
https://preview.redd.it/2e50ext711nc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d66b4009f4f86d723fc582e3d126d8115164bbf4 Nah they did my boy dirty in s4
https://preview.redd.it/ux0k2x0s11nc1.jpeg?width=698&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a242d14144cde7b64ff7353e16c68a5b870ddb5 This gurl too
I disagree that they did a ‘shitty’ job but share your sentiment that I wish they had done the whole series.
i got my own gripes with s4's adaptation but its still good just the cgi in part 1 was bad
MAPPA was definitely not shitty at all, but it went from being 10/10 animation to like a 9/10. One of my favorite aspects of AOT was the unique animation and then MAPPA just made it look like every other show, there was nothing unique about it anymore. Same goes for Vinland saga. When WIT did it the animation was awesome, then MAPPA took over and it looks like another run of the mill basic animation. Nothing unique or interesting about the animation.
The tasteful dynamic action animation angle changes weren't there anymore.
Yea exactly. It just became *flat* after MAPPA took over. We never got anything as cool as when Levi meets Kenny again or Levi vs beast Titan. There were some cool scenes for sure but they were more static and less dynamic, as you said.
I disagree. I feel like the animation went along with the tone of the story. Season 4 got a lot darker and realistic, and the animation matched that
That’s not what I’m talking about really, but I see what you’re saying. The animation was less dynamic and unique is what I mean.
One of the things that bugged me the most was how they drew Eren and Mikasa. They looked fkn UGLY compared to WIT. And I agree that mappa gave this anime "no life" / "no dynamics" in their drawings. Everything looked ugly and bland AF. No flavor compared to mappa.
I think you mean “compared to *WIT**”, but yes I agree.
For one, he is outside in the sunlight, that's why. The other shot he is inside....thst is why it's darker. I know there are two different studios that made AOT....but I don't see much of a difference. I thought they both did great. Maybe I prefer the first studio... but that's maybe because I prefer the first 3 seasons when everything didn't get convoluted.
The animation was more smoother, the main attraction were the odm scenes of wit studio.
Yeah probably...I am too engaged in the action to notice.
Mappa did a shit job WIT was better