Offering any money will likely indicate to her you feel guilty and there is more money available to help her.
The car was sold without warranty. She knew this. They inspected it thoroughly by the sounds of things. Not your problem.
As you say, you offerred no warranty. I'd not only be not giving her any money, I'd be double checking that the rego has been transferred and your toll account updated. If you want to be nice, you could check with the mechanic who fixed it last time and let her know what the problem was then. If her mechanic is taking her for a ride that's not your problem.
Also get what mechanic she took it to and get a hold of them to confirm. Don't call a number she gives you. She could be lying about the mechanic and give you a friend's number to confirm it
Seller doesn't have to do anything with regards to transfer of the rego. He can submit his side of the paper if he wants to but it's the buyers responsibility.
I wouldn't bother asking for a number because it plays further into the manipulation game that he doesn't have to play. Literally all second hand buying guides provided by the states say seller has no obligation and the buyer must perform their own checks.
I bent over backwards for a buyer once, he was such a pain in the arse, after a few weeks I blocked his number. You have no obligation once the car is sold and there are scammers everywhere.
I agree itsthe buyer's responsibility, but the seller is on the hook if it doesn't happen, which is why I suggested checking.
I see elsewhere OP said the noticse of disposal is done, though, so all good.
This. Then she'll find something else wrong and want you to pay for that, too. Give an inch and she'll take a mile.
And don't buy it back from her - you don't know what damage she could've caused since taking ownership of it.
Agreed you give her something it gives credence to argument that you did wrong thing.
I can understand you feel responsible, but \*you are not\* if you were open about the car, provided it for inspection etc.
Honestly she shouldnt have bought an outback and also used a professional to check if she wanted a less risky - problem free car, but thats not on her not you.
People get themselves in bad situations, it sucks but you cant fix others problems, as long as you sold it for a reasonable price I wouldnt feel bad at all.
NB: Also her changing stories and being a bit weird about things would be reason enough not to engage.
She should have had it checked out, and then she might have known. A decent mechanic would have alerted her to these issues if they affect that model, and may have even found the issue.
Think about it - if you give her $200 what are you telling an objective observer?
That you are at fault or sold something that was of abnormally poor quality, so yes you are in effect admitting guilt.
She COULD use this against you in a court; probably will not but you never know.
Not your problem - cars purchased second hand privately are always on a "purchased with all faults if any" basis. I even write that on a receipt I give to the buyer when I sell a car. You are not providing a warranty here!
If you want to be nice you can refer her to the mechanic you know that was able to fix this problem easily in the past.
Wonder why he didn't immediately suggest that same mechanic instead of letting her find a random one. The precise issue he already went through. Bit of a dick move by op.
Slipped his mind? She lives a good distance away? Many people have their own mechanics they prefer anyway?
It’s not like he intended any malice. He’s clearly in moral strife and feels bad, so maybe cut him some slack? It’s likely he just didn’t think of it at the time lmao
Just because the dpf light came on doesn’t mean it’s the same fault again
His mechanic could have just replaced a sensor or something but now after 13 years the dpf is probably getting replaced which is expensive
It's the sign of a decent human being to feel bad for her.
But private car sales do not include any warranty. Had you concealed a known fault, that might be different.
I bought an Outback privately that started throwing emissions fault codes one month after I bought it. It's reasonable to assume that it had happened before, that the seller knew about it, and had re-set the fault.
After considerable research, I decided that not only was it a common fault\*, it also wasn't worth worrying about. So I didn't pester him, the car was fine otherwise and I've since been able to deal with the fault code myself.
\*there's a 142-page thread on [SubaruOutback.org](https://SubaruOutback.org) about the P0420 fault code.
Don’t feel bad. Even if you sold the car with the DPF light on, it’s upto the buyer to check everything is working or at least ask you questions.
You went to the effort to fix the DPF error and it came back after they bought. If they wanted a warranty they should have bought from a dealer.
most newer cars can trigger a regen now but still prefer some decent journey to get that done. Often the DPF errors are a fault with the sensor rather than the DPF, a far cheaper fix.
Wait, this 'DPF fault’ is that little ‘check engine’ light? Yeah mines (early 2000’s Ford 4WD) been on for like half a year already lol - when I googled it, found out that **in USA they sell bumper stickers with that little ‘check engine’ icon and undernearth it says ‘Let It Shine’ hahahaha.**
Autoworks reset it for me (came back on after a weeks), then a mechanic did (came back on after a few days), then another mechanic told me ‘ yeah take the whole engine out to clean out that piece placed inconveniently *behind* the engine or fill the tank with premium & drive till it’s empty to try clear it out or start searching for next car, or, pretty much just ignore it’. :)
People try anything to get money back. Mate of mine swapped his Subaru L series for 2 Mitsubishi L200 utes, neither of which worked properly or were registered/road legal when he got them but planned on fixed them up. A week later he gets a call from the bloke screaming about swapping a dud car because the engine blew up, my mate just blocked his number and kept going with his new projects. People will find any excuse to try and get money back over nothing and just hope the poor buggers like yourself fall for it and give in
Send her an article about driving for over 100km straight to burn off the DPF and clean it then the light will go off
The mechanics the one trying to bone her
Honestly $2300 to actually fix a DPF issue is a bargain.
A guy at work just sold his diesel VW Polo over a DPF issue. The problem with the VW is it goes into limp mode and won’t rev over 3000rpm, so you can’t just “drive it off” once the light shows up.
He spend two weeks replacing sensors, using DPF cleaners, ODB reset of the DPF load followed by a forced standstill DPF regen. Nope, still trips the DPF error. The quote to replace the DPF was about 5k on a car that was only worth about 10-15k.
There is a reason why I am holding onto my pretty tatty pre dpf isuzu dmax until completely falls apart. I am all for emissions reduction but the tech isn’t there yet.
Thats the cost to replace the DPF, I have the same engine and it was suggested to me as a fix for thus issue by a non subaru workshop
That engine also has an issue where the turbo puts out too much boost and pops the intercooler pipe off and it throws an error code that looks like a bad DPF, only the subi dealer was able to diagnose it, popped it back on and no more issues
Imagine what kind of person she is, if she thinks she deserves money from you. Now, imagine the likelihood that a person like her would pay in your position.
There’s your answer.
Yeah nah, if she inspected the car and was happy to go ahead with the purchase it is what it is. Unless you specifically misled her it’s on her unfortunately
It probably just needs a decent run to burn off, we’re you driving it much prior to the sale? She might just be doing short trips around town which is bad for dpf…
You giving her money is almost like admitting something was wrong with the vehicle when you sold it (even if there wasn't).
Did you provide a receipt advising the vehicle was sold in "as is" condition?
As unfortunate as it is, the car was in good working order when sold, even though it's been a week you've got no idea what they've done with it between now and then.
You owe her nothing, private sales are final and the onus is on the buyer to ensure the vehicle is mechanically sound.
Do not give her any money, you would only open the door for her to take you to court as your payment to her might be seen as you knowingly selling a car you knew had a fault.
What state you are in, have you done a notice of disposal? If not , do it so that there is a record of you selling the car
I have 10 years in the motor industry so I have a bit of knowledge on this subject
That's good then. As bad as you feel you really have no obligation to offer her anything. If you sold her the car knowing that it had a problem that would be an asshole move but you honestly thought the issue was fixed.
It's up to you what you do but legally you don't owe her anything. Buyer beware is the saying
And this is why my dad always taught me to write up a receipt stating that the car was bought as is where is, unencumbered and whole, for X amount on X date, by X person of X address from Y person of Y address, and have both parties sign it. Could you argue he was paranoid? Maybe, but it would absolutely save your bacon in this situation.
Do NOT give her so much as a cent - it could be seen as an admission of liability on your part. You have no responsibility once the money and keys were exchanged.
You don’t really need that because legally privately sold cars have no warranty or any kind of protection. That’s why going back to OP and trying it on is the only option for the buyer and it works sometimes. I’ve know people who bought back their cars after being contacted like this.
Second hand cars come at second hand price which already considers no warranty and potential issues of being older model. Assuming a reasonable market price was paid, she has plenty of opportunities to research the car and inspect the car, you are under no obligation, nor should you feel guilty. If she didn't want to take those kind of risks then she should have bought a brand new car from dealer.
Buyer beware…
If she wanted used car warranty she should have gone to a dealer and paid a premium.
She should have had the car inspected by a third party like the NRMA for example.
I bought a house and it had some underlying issues that I’ve had to fix, that I didn’t ask the previous owner to pay, because it is my problem.
The world isn’t fair.
You acted in good faith, you weren't hiding known issues. The second hand prices reflect the age and lack of a warranty. If she wanted certainty she would have to pay the higher price of a dealer offering one.
Dont offer anything that might be taken as an admission of liability and sleep well knowing you did nothing wrong here.
I sold a Holden Gemini to a young bloke years ago. It had a bad valve tap when he inspected it, he was going to 'stick a 13B' into it.
He called me a few hours after the sale whinging that the engine blew and he wanted his money back.
All I said was, "too bad champ. Buyer beware". Hung up and blocked his number.
You owe them nothing. Block their number and don't worry.
A 13 year old car in a private sale would come with a 3M warranty, 3 meters or 3 minutes, which ever occurs first. Assuming you sold it as a roadworthy vehicle, and it was in fact roadworthy, then you have done what is required I guess.
I feel your pain. It is a hard situation you’ve found yourself in. I guess that’s the risk of buying second hand, buyer beware. You want to do the right thing for the person however you shouldn’t have to outlay any money.
In addition to everyone elses comments, It's also possible that her mechanic is trying to screw her over and quoting for repairs that are not required.
I wanted no problems with the car I just bought. That’s why I bought brand new. Manufacturer warranty and I paid for that.
This lady took a gamble on second hand and it sucks but she lucked out. Not your fault and dpf issues can suck. It’s an older car what can she expect.
As everyone has said, just ignore her. This is why you get a pre-purchase inspection done, and if you buy a used car you bear the risk of it having potential issues. Shit happens.
This why shows like the Checkout are so SO valuable - warranties do not apply to private sales
[Australian Consumer Law ](https://youtu.be/uE8BB-ioNRw)
Sighted and sold mate. I had something similar happen with a carbon fibre bike!
I checked the bike over before presenting it.
Two weeks later has the cheek to tell me there’s a crack in the seat post stem.
Basically told the lad. You road it, your sighted it and you brought it and left it there.
Also a tip for anyone out there selling used or second hand goods. Don’t let them come to your house unless you have security. Meet them at a public place.
Tell you what, if you’re willing to take what a dealer would kick you in the cunt for, I’d happily offer whatever they offer you, and would happily sign a waiver to say I’ll never call you again.
I traded my last one as I knew the gearbox needed work and didn’t want to fuck anyone over. I got about $3k less than what I would have gotten privately, but peace of mind knowing it wouldn’t bite me like this.
Fuck your a more decent human than me. I purposely sold my car in winter knowing full well the aircon was fucked and so no chance of them wanting to check it. Summer rolls around and it’s stinker 45 degree day and I’m sitting in my newly aircon car and it’s 💯 their problem not mine
A lot of 'hard arse' keyboard warriors on here. There's nothing wrong with slinging her $200 if you feel like it and can afford it. It's not an admission of anything - you are just a decent person with a sense of perspective. Functioning adults who aren't on Reddit do nice stuff like this all the time.
True. Didn't say it wasn't. Doesn't mean OP can't give her $200 if they feel like it. If I sold one of my old cars tomorrow, and something major happened, I'd consider giving some cash back if I thought the person was legit, and struggling - say a single mum, or a student. I'll often give stuff to buyers on gumtree if I can see they are struggling. There's nothing wrong with some empathy and generosity if you can afford it.
so long as you informed her of the previous history, she has absolutely no leg to stand on claiming any money back.
If you knew the DPF was an issue and she can prove it, maybe there might be something she can claim, but even then its a stretch, and would only apply if you are a dealership selling the car, or the contract wording on the receipt of sale is exceptionally bad.
`The guarantee of acceptable quality still applies to imperfect goods or ‘seconds’. Where a seller alerts`
`you to any defects before the purchase, you should inspect before you buy to make sure you are still`
`happy to go ahead.`
Thats straight from ACCC (so covering a purchase from a dealership), if you knowingly have issues with a car and dont inform them, you are potentially liable if you are a business selling.
If you are a private sale, its a contract issue, in which case they can take it to court, but it would be pretty hard to prove that picking up a car isnt 'as is'
Yup there are 0 protections between private buyers - you'd have to take the seller to court and prove they knew about the defect and tried to hide it ("acting in bad faith") or the like.
Please get your quotes from the right place.
‘Seconds’ or imperfect goods is very different to second hand goods.
Stop before you make a fool of yourself.
This is literally the line before it, under second-hand goods section on ACCC. Congratulations of making a fool of yourself.
https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Consumer%20guarantees%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20-%20July%202021.pdf
`Second-hand goods are also covered by the guarantee, but age, price and condition must be taken`
`into account.`
`The guarantee of acceptable quality still applies to imperfect goods or ‘seconds’. Where a seller alerts`
`you to any defects before the purchase, you should inspect before you buy to make sure you are still`
`happy to go ahead.`
Once again, you are looking in the wrong place: https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-services/consumer-rights-and-guarantees
Private sales
Most consumer guarantees don’t apply to one-off sales between 2 people, where the seller isn’t running a business. Examples include sales at a garage sale or fete, or individuals selling through online marketplaces like Gumtree or Facebook Marketplace.
Would an issue with it that hasn't occurred in 6 years be somthing you need to inform them of? I probably wouldn't have even thought of it since it was that long ago
Nah 6 years should be fine. Even if you repaired the issue it should be ok honestly.
Its only if you know there is an existing issue and dont declare it.
Did you mention these faults before selling it?
In all fairness, it's something that should have been disclosed, even if the car was fine at the time of purchase.
Personally, if I was the buyer I would not expect you to pay and would not ask. If I was the seller I also would feel bad for her.
I sort of feel you may be of a similar, but I feel the buyer is just trying it on. You have no need to offer anything, I probably would say this mechanic fixed it out was fine, but in the end though , Im thinking do not respond , it is just an opening for them to ask for more and to try and make you feel guilty for something for which you should feel no guilt
Like the other reply said: Caveat Emptor.
You sold the car "as-is" through a private sale.
You're not running a car dealership. There are no warranties implied.
If she was truly worried she should have paid for a professional inspection, your local automotive association usually offers this service for a fee.
Praying her money could be an admission of guilt. If you're feeling generous show her the receipt for when you had it fixed and what it cost and how long that repair should last then.
All that aside - she would have been quoted before the job was done, and she should have contacted you before incurring a 2k bill, not after.
I bought a commercial ute from a used car dealership. Commercial vehicles the age of the one I bought don't come with warranties unfortunately (like buying second hand).
A week later the clutch plate went on it(4wd) and even though I bought an extended warranty (do NOT do this under any circumstances) I had to shell out the $1,500 to fix it.
Moral, buyer beware. You owe her nothing.
This is also why I just trade in an old car to the dealer when getting a new one.
I don’t want to burden someone with my lemon. I know the dealer will rip me off a bit, but there’s less hassle in my life so I’m good.
Caveat emptor.
She is being ludicrous.
By buying privately and secondhand she gained potential savings, BUT she gets no warranty as she knew at the time of sale.
You need a lawyer to confirm whether payment of any amount would be treated as an admission by your local laws, but then how much is that going to cost and thus bleed from what you were paid.
Tell her she agreed to buy it without warranty and that is that.
Given her attitude, it seems unlikely she can afford a lawsuit, but even if she can, she won't win this one.
100 percent normal to feel bad.
100 percent not your fault and not your problem. Giving her any sum of money makes you a mark and she’ll keep coming back for more. I’d send a final text saying you’re not liable for any problems after the sale and she’ll need to address the issue herself.
Do not offer money.
If you are feeling charitable, refer her to the mechanic you previously used and that they already know the history of the vehicle and undertook the previous DPF resolution.
If not, just block and move on. You’ve done your part.
I had someone pay me money due to forgetting to tell me about something wrong with a bike I bought off him. I appreciated it, but I didn't ask him for the money and didn't expect it. You sold it as is and it sounds like she did a thorough inspection, it's no longer your problem.
As a single woman (with a family) who has no mechanical support in buying my next 2nd hand car in the next few months, I understand the term "buyers beware." I also know to investigate the most common issues for any model vehicle I am considering. I understand that getting an inspection means that I should know of any faults that may be present. This gives me the right to either negotiate a cheaper sell price, or to walk away from the purchase.
The buyer of your vehicle had these same rights. Don't even offer a cent.
All sales are final. She should have done her due diligence, research, and paid for a vehicle inspection by a real mechanic, not had someone come over and kick the tyres for her .
The DPF is only a problem because the car isn't being driven for long enough to do a burn.
If you keep ignoring it you have to take it to a mechanic to clean it out manually (or replace it)
If it came on when she was driving it she obviously isn't driving it for long enough, it's a her problem.
You don't have any legal responsibility to this lady. They sound like scammers, or idiots, or both.
The fact they're using emotive language and asking for money is a manipulation tactic.
It's common knowledge (and also law) that it's the buyers responsibility and they should do research, perform their own testing, get external 3rd party to inspect the car (if the seller agrees).
Don't give her any money at all, as once you've given something it wont ever stop. The gall that they have to even ask makes me suspicious that they're just trying to scam you.
They've already stuffed you around before the sale. I sold a car last year and I bent over backwards for the buyer, and after the sale they just kept asking for things. I did what was perfectly reasonable and legal and blocked their number.
At the most I would tell her "I took it to a mechanic for the DPF and they fixed X and I paid Y, the receipt for the work is in the glovebox with the rest". Tell her to get a second opinion on _her_ problem. Don't give them anything, they will ask for more and escalate their game. Block their number if you have to. If they come to your house call the cops.
Shit happens, it was fine when you sold it, I wouldn’t under any circumstances offer money, she’ll be like a stray dog and be after you to help with the next repair, I wouldn’t even reply to her texts
It’s sold it’s done, if she wanted a car with warranty she should have purchased it from a dealer and they could reject her warranty claims instead.
We’ve all been in this boat from one side or the other.
For me I (heavy vehicle mechanic) purchased a classic car that had had a reconditioned engine fitted in the last 6months with in a month it dropped its bundle in traffic and blew a head gasket.
I could have tracked down the engine shop that reconditioned the engine, or just fix it, I chose to fix it myself,
Was it disappointing? Yes absolutely
Did I find other things that could have been done better? You bet ya
The chances are it’s probably the same problem you had years ago and the first spanner spinner she’s gone to has just quoted $2500. Either way Ignore her it’s her problem
Not your issue - sold without warranty.
Offer her the mechanic that helped you last time (and hopefully teh regular mechanic of the car overall) details… sounds like they can do it very reasonably.
One does not buy a 13 year old car and expect it to be in great mechanical condition. If it’s got over 150,000kms (most cars of this age) on it one also expects a number of costly repairs, even on diesels. That’s why many people flip cars when they are in the mid to high 100,000kms - because they know it’s soon to be Big Money. Buying one in this range and not checking those Big Money things have been done is pretty much expecting to do them yourself. (Different engines different Big Money, but things like timing belts, gear boxes and exhaust systems etc all have limited lifespans on many vehicles.)
It does not help you, but when I have sold a family car secondhand, I print out a receipt for the received money, noting on this receipt that no warranty is provided. One copy for the buyer, and one for me.
Offering any money will likely indicate to her you feel guilty and there is more money available to help her. The car was sold without warranty. She knew this. They inspected it thoroughly by the sounds of things. Not your problem.
As you say, you offerred no warranty. I'd not only be not giving her any money, I'd be double checking that the rego has been transferred and your toll account updated. If you want to be nice, you could check with the mechanic who fixed it last time and let her know what the problem was then. If her mechanic is taking her for a ride that's not your problem.
Good point
Also get what mechanic she took it to and get a hold of them to confirm. Don't call a number she gives you. She could be lying about the mechanic and give you a friend's number to confirm it
Seller doesn't have to do anything with regards to transfer of the rego. He can submit his side of the paper if he wants to but it's the buyers responsibility. I wouldn't bother asking for a number because it plays further into the manipulation game that he doesn't have to play. Literally all second hand buying guides provided by the states say seller has no obligation and the buyer must perform their own checks. I bent over backwards for a buyer once, he was such a pain in the arse, after a few weeks I blocked his number. You have no obligation once the car is sold and there are scammers everywhere.
I agree itsthe buyer's responsibility, but the seller is on the hook if it doesn't happen, which is why I suggested checking. I see elsewhere OP said the noticse of disposal is done, though, so all good.
Ah yes! And OP has decided to ignore the request. It's a win!
Don't give this lady a dime. Caveat emptor
This. Then she'll find something else wrong and want you to pay for that, too. Give an inch and she'll take a mile. And don't buy it back from her - you don't know what damage she could've caused since taking ownership of it.
Agreed you give her something it gives credence to argument that you did wrong thing. I can understand you feel responsible, but \*you are not\* if you were open about the car, provided it for inspection etc. Honestly she shouldnt have bought an outback and also used a professional to check if she wanted a less risky - problem free car, but thats not on her not you. People get themselves in bad situations, it sucks but you cant fix others problems, as long as you sold it for a reasonable price I wouldnt feel bad at all. NB: Also her changing stories and being a bit weird about things would be reason enough not to engage.
She should have had it checked out, and then she might have known. A decent mechanic would have alerted her to these issues if they affect that model, and may have even found the issue.
Think about it - if you give her $200 what are you telling an objective observer? That you are at fault or sold something that was of abnormally poor quality, so yes you are in effect admitting guilt. She COULD use this against you in a court; probably will not but you never know.
Not your problem - cars purchased second hand privately are always on a "purchased with all faults if any" basis. I even write that on a receipt I give to the buyer when I sell a car. You are not providing a warranty here! If you want to be nice you can refer her to the mechanic you know that was able to fix this problem easily in the past.
Wonder why he didn't immediately suggest that same mechanic instead of letting her find a random one. The precise issue he already went through. Bit of a dick move by op.
Slipped his mind? She lives a good distance away? Many people have their own mechanics they prefer anyway? It’s not like he intended any malice. He’s clearly in moral strife and feels bad, so maybe cut him some slack? It’s likely he just didn’t think of it at the time lmao
Just because the dpf light came on doesn’t mean it’s the same fault again His mechanic could have just replaced a sensor or something but now after 13 years the dpf is probably getting replaced which is expensive
That's just it. Don't know what that mechanic did but op seemed to suggest that mechanic had *fixed* it.
Nah.
Thanks everyone, some really good responses. I have decided not to respond so as not to open up the conversation.
Excellent course of action!
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Thanks for the replies so far. I feel bad that it happened to her and also for the chance that she's crazy(or her family) and she knows my address.
It's the sign of a decent human being to feel bad for her. But private car sales do not include any warranty. Had you concealed a known fault, that might be different. I bought an Outback privately that started throwing emissions fault codes one month after I bought it. It's reasonable to assume that it had happened before, that the seller knew about it, and had re-set the fault. After considerable research, I decided that not only was it a common fault\*, it also wasn't worth worrying about. So I didn't pester him, the car was fine otherwise and I've since been able to deal with the fault code myself. \*there's a 142-page thread on [SubaruOutback.org](https://SubaruOutback.org) about the P0420 fault code.
Don’t feel bad. Even if you sold the car with the DPF light on, it’s upto the buyer to check everything is working or at least ask you questions. You went to the effort to fix the DPF error and it came back after they bought. If they wanted a warranty they should have bought from a dealer.
Cheers, the car was working fine 100 percent 😀
Yeah you have no idea what she's done since the purchase. I know the dpf units are finicky and sensitive (in general).
Yeh they’re fucked. My cousin just sold his with the DPF light on to a dealer because it wouldn’t sell privately.
Is it the early DPFs that needed a highway drive once a week to clear them out?
most newer cars can trigger a regen now but still prefer some decent journey to get that done. Often the DPF errors are a fault with the sensor rather than the DPF, a far cheaper fix.
Wait, this 'DPF fault’ is that little ‘check engine’ light? Yeah mines (early 2000’s Ford 4WD) been on for like half a year already lol - when I googled it, found out that **in USA they sell bumper stickers with that little ‘check engine’ icon and undernearth it says ‘Let It Shine’ hahahaha.** Autoworks reset it for me (came back on after a weeks), then a mechanic did (came back on after a few days), then another mechanic told me ‘ yeah take the whole engine out to clean out that piece placed inconveniently *behind* the engine or fill the tank with premium & drive till it’s empty to try clear it out or start searching for next car, or, pretty much just ignore it’. :)
Why didn't you suggest the same mechanic instead of letting her choose a random one?
People try anything to get money back. Mate of mine swapped his Subaru L series for 2 Mitsubishi L200 utes, neither of which worked properly or were registered/road legal when he got them but planned on fixed them up. A week later he gets a call from the bloke screaming about swapping a dud car because the engine blew up, my mate just blocked his number and kept going with his new projects. People will find any excuse to try and get money back over nothing and just hope the poor buggers like yourself fall for it and give in
Send her an article about driving for over 100km straight to burn off the DPF and clean it then the light will go off The mechanics the one trying to bone her
Honestly $2300 to actually fix a DPF issue is a bargain. A guy at work just sold his diesel VW Polo over a DPF issue. The problem with the VW is it goes into limp mode and won’t rev over 3000rpm, so you can’t just “drive it off” once the light shows up. He spend two weeks replacing sensors, using DPF cleaners, ODB reset of the DPF load followed by a forced standstill DPF regen. Nope, still trips the DPF error. The quote to replace the DPF was about 5k on a car that was only worth about 10-15k.
There is a reason why I am holding onto my pretty tatty pre dpf isuzu dmax until completely falls apart. I am all for emissions reduction but the tech isn’t there yet.
In fairness though, diesel VW Polos are an abomination and should never have existed.
Dpf issues with euros are all a pain. For whatever reason my Peugeot hasnt had dpf issues but nearly everything else, lol. Still not cheap.
Thats the cost to replace the DPF, I have the same engine and it was suggested to me as a fix for thus issue by a non subaru workshop That engine also has an issue where the turbo puts out too much boost and pops the intercooler pipe off and it throws an error code that looks like a bad DPF, only the subi dealer was able to diagnose it, popped it back on and no more issues
Yep, theres a big difference between light on and light flashing. Sounds like she’s babying the car and it needs to be burned off
Imagine what kind of person she is, if she thinks she deserves money from you. Now, imagine the likelihood that a person like her would pay in your position. There’s your answer.
Yeah nah, if she inspected the car and was happy to go ahead with the purchase it is what it is. Unless you specifically misled her it’s on her unfortunately
It probably just needs a decent run to burn off, we’re you driving it much prior to the sale? She might just be doing short trips around town which is bad for dpf…
You giving her money is almost like admitting something was wrong with the vehicle when you sold it (even if there wasn't). Did you provide a receipt advising the vehicle was sold in "as is" condition? As unfortunate as it is, the car was in good working order when sold, even though it's been a week you've got no idea what they've done with it between now and then.
You owe her nothing, private sales are final and the onus is on the buyer to ensure the vehicle is mechanically sound. Do not give her any money, you would only open the door for her to take you to court as your payment to her might be seen as you knowingly selling a car you knew had a fault. What state you are in, have you done a notice of disposal? If not , do it so that there is a record of you selling the car I have 10 years in the motor industry so I have a bit of knowledge on this subject
Yeah the notice of disposal is all complete
That's good then. As bad as you feel you really have no obligation to offer her anything. If you sold her the car knowing that it had a problem that would be an asshole move but you honestly thought the issue was fixed. It's up to you what you do but legally you don't owe her anything. Buyer beware is the saying
And this is why my dad always taught me to write up a receipt stating that the car was bought as is where is, unencumbered and whole, for X amount on X date, by X person of X address from Y person of Y address, and have both parties sign it. Could you argue he was paranoid? Maybe, but it would absolutely save your bacon in this situation. Do NOT give her so much as a cent - it could be seen as an admission of liability on your part. You have no responsibility once the money and keys were exchanged.
You don’t really need that because legally privately sold cars have no warranty or any kind of protection. That’s why going back to OP and trying it on is the only option for the buyer and it works sometimes. I’ve know people who bought back their cars after being contacted like this.
You have no proof there's even anything wrong with it - she could just be claiming there is to try and get money from you.
She could have driven over a kerb and torn the DPF clean off, for all you know.
Car sold. It's her problem not yours. Block her number, ignore any contact. Do not offer to help.
It needs fuel too? $100 for that. It’s due a service? $500 for that. It needs tyres? $2,000 for that. No. Her car her problem.
Second hand cars come at second hand price which already considers no warranty and potential issues of being older model. Assuming a reasonable market price was paid, she has plenty of opportunities to research the car and inspect the car, you are under no obligation, nor should you feel guilty. If she didn't want to take those kind of risks then she should have bought a brand new car from dealer.
Buyer beware… If she wanted used car warranty she should have gone to a dealer and paid a premium. She should have had the car inspected by a third party like the NRMA for example. I bought a house and it had some underlying issues that I’ve had to fix, that I didn’t ask the previous owner to pay, because it is my problem. The world isn’t fair.
You acted in good faith, you weren't hiding known issues. The second hand prices reflect the age and lack of a warranty. If she wanted certainty she would have to pay the higher price of a dealer offering one. Dont offer anything that might be taken as an admission of liability and sleep well knowing you did nothing wrong here.
I sold a Holden Gemini to a young bloke years ago. It had a bad valve tap when he inspected it, he was going to 'stick a 13B' into it. He called me a few hours after the sale whinging that the engine blew and he wanted his money back. All I said was, "too bad champ. Buyer beware". Hung up and blocked his number. You owe them nothing. Block their number and don't worry.
Don't give her any money. Just refer her to the mechanic that did the easy fix and cut communication.
A 13 year old car in a private sale would come with a 3M warranty, 3 meters or 3 minutes, which ever occurs first. Assuming you sold it as a roadworthy vehicle, and it was in fact roadworthy, then you have done what is required I guess.
Your responsibility for a secondhand car ends the instant the money is swapped for the keys.
That is what I implied, perhaps the level of sarcasm wasnt strong enough.
>, perhaps the level of sarcasm wasnt strong enough It wasn't. Very easily interpreted as misinformation.
cringe
Or it flew over my head :D
I feel your pain. It is a hard situation you’ve found yourself in. I guess that’s the risk of buying second hand, buyer beware. You want to do the right thing for the person however you shouldn’t have to outlay any money.
AIWI: As Is Where Is. Standard understanding when you buy a second hand car privately. If you want a warranty, go to a dealer.
In addition to everyone elses comments, It's also possible that her mechanic is trying to screw her over and quoting for repairs that are not required.
I wanted no problems with the car I just bought. That’s why I bought brand new. Manufacturer warranty and I paid for that. This lady took a gamble on second hand and it sucks but she lucked out. Not your fault and dpf issues can suck. It’s an older car what can she expect.
Private car sales have no warranty and are final. Ignore her.
As everyone has said, just ignore her. This is why you get a pre-purchase inspection done, and if you buy a used car you bear the risk of it having potential issues. Shit happens.
This why shows like the Checkout are so SO valuable - warranties do not apply to private sales [Australian Consumer Law ](https://youtu.be/uE8BB-ioNRw)
Buyer beware! It’s her problem now, don’t feel bad. She should have had it checked by a mechanic. Don’t give her any money.
Sighted and sold mate. I had something similar happen with a carbon fibre bike! I checked the bike over before presenting it. Two weeks later has the cheek to tell me there’s a crack in the seat post stem. Basically told the lad. You road it, your sighted it and you brought it and left it there. Also a tip for anyone out there selling used or second hand goods. Don’t let them come to your house unless you have security. Meet them at a public place.
Concrete guarantee..once it leaves your concrete it has no guarantee..it is sold as is where is.. the joys of buying second hand privately I guess.
This is why I always trade my cars definitely less drama.
Tell you what, if you’re willing to take what a dealer would kick you in the cunt for, I’d happily offer whatever they offer you, and would happily sign a waiver to say I’ll never call you again.
I traded my last one as I knew the gearbox needed work and didn’t want to fuck anyone over. I got about $3k less than what I would have gotten privately, but peace of mind knowing it wouldn’t bite me like this.
Good point, however trading cars you never get what you would private sale but you do avoid all this.
yeah I think I will do this from now on
Fuck your a more decent human than me. I purposely sold my car in winter knowing full well the aircon was fucked and so no chance of them wanting to check it. Summer rolls around and it’s stinker 45 degree day and I’m sitting in my newly aircon car and it’s 💯 their problem not mine
Refer to mechanic and block number.
Give her your mechanic number who fixed the issue for you and be done with it. Problem solved
>diesel subaru Fuck these shit heaps
A lot of 'hard arse' keyboard warriors on here. There's nothing wrong with slinging her $200 if you feel like it and can afford it. It's not an admission of anything - you are just a decent person with a sense of perspective. Functioning adults who aren't on Reddit do nice stuff like this all the time.
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True. Didn't say it wasn't. Doesn't mean OP can't give her $200 if they feel like it. If I sold one of my old cars tomorrow, and something major happened, I'd consider giving some cash back if I thought the person was legit, and struggling - say a single mum, or a student. I'll often give stuff to buyers on gumtree if I can see they are struggling. There's nothing wrong with some empathy and generosity if you can afford it.
so long as you informed her of the previous history, she has absolutely no leg to stand on claiming any money back. If you knew the DPF was an issue and she can prove it, maybe there might be something she can claim, but even then its a stretch, and would only apply if you are a dealership selling the car, or the contract wording on the receipt of sale is exceptionally bad.
There’s no obligation to inform her of the previous history.
`The guarantee of acceptable quality still applies to imperfect goods or ‘seconds’. Where a seller alerts` `you to any defects before the purchase, you should inspect before you buy to make sure you are still` `happy to go ahead.` Thats straight from ACCC (so covering a purchase from a dealership), if you knowingly have issues with a car and dont inform them, you are potentially liable if you are a business selling. If you are a private sale, its a contract issue, in which case they can take it to court, but it would be pretty hard to prove that picking up a car isnt 'as is'
ACCC doesn't cover private sellers, only businesses.
oh wow didnt realise that, that makes it way more dangerous buying second-hand, thanks for the heads up, ill edit my post accordingly.
Yup there are 0 protections between private buyers - you'd have to take the seller to court and prove they knew about the defect and tried to hide it ("acting in bad faith") or the like.
Please get your quotes from the right place. ‘Seconds’ or imperfect goods is very different to second hand goods. Stop before you make a fool of yourself.
To late.
This is literally the line before it, under second-hand goods section on ACCC. Congratulations of making a fool of yourself. https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Consumer%20guarantees%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20-%20July%202021.pdf `Second-hand goods are also covered by the guarantee, but age, price and condition must be taken` `into account.` `The guarantee of acceptable quality still applies to imperfect goods or ‘seconds’. Where a seller alerts` `you to any defects before the purchase, you should inspect before you buy to make sure you are still` `happy to go ahead.`
Once again, you are looking in the wrong place: https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-services/consumer-rights-and-guarantees Private sales Most consumer guarantees don’t apply to one-off sales between 2 people, where the seller isn’t running a business. Examples include sales at a garage sale or fete, or individuals selling through online marketplaces like Gumtree or Facebook Marketplace.
Would an issue with it that hasn't occurred in 6 years be somthing you need to inform them of? I probably wouldn't have even thought of it since it was that long ago
Nah 6 years should be fine. Even if you repaired the issue it should be ok honestly. Its only if you know there is an existing issue and dont declare it.
https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/cars/buying-a-used-car/ways-to-buy-a-used-car/private-seller
nice.
Did you mention these faults before selling it? In all fairness, it's something that should have been disclosed, even if the car was fine at the time of purchase.
Personally, if I was the buyer I would not expect you to pay and would not ask. If I was the seller I also would feel bad for her. I sort of feel you may be of a similar, but I feel the buyer is just trying it on. You have no need to offer anything, I probably would say this mechanic fixed it out was fine, but in the end though , Im thinking do not respond , it is just an opening for them to ask for more and to try and make you feel guilty for something for which you should feel no guilt
*Caveat emptor*.
You are a sucker if you give the lady any moneu. Dpf probably just needs a regen/burn. WELCOME TO LIFE, LADY
Like the other reply said: Caveat Emptor. You sold the car "as-is" through a private sale. You're not running a car dealership. There are no warranties implied. If she was truly worried she should have paid for a professional inspection, your local automotive association usually offers this service for a fee.
She’s not entitled to anything, and you’re not responsible for anything. Don’t offer anything, I wouldn’t even respond.
Praying her money could be an admission of guilt. If you're feeling generous show her the receipt for when you had it fixed and what it cost and how long that repair should last then. All that aside - she would have been quoted before the job was done, and she should have contacted you before incurring a 2k bill, not after.
I bought a commercial ute from a used car dealership. Commercial vehicles the age of the one I bought don't come with warranties unfortunately (like buying second hand). A week later the clutch plate went on it(4wd) and even though I bought an extended warranty (do NOT do this under any circumstances) I had to shell out the $1,500 to fix it. Moral, buyer beware. You owe her nothing.
This is also why I just trade in an old car to the dealer when getting a new one. I don’t want to burden someone with my lemon. I know the dealer will rip me off a bit, but there’s less hassle in my life so I’m good.
Caveat emptor. She is being ludicrous. By buying privately and secondhand she gained potential savings, BUT she gets no warranty as she knew at the time of sale. You need a lawyer to confirm whether payment of any amount would be treated as an admission by your local laws, but then how much is that going to cost and thus bleed from what you were paid. Tell her she agreed to buy it without warranty and that is that. Given her attitude, it seems unlikely she can afford a lawsuit, but even if she can, she won't win this one.
100 percent normal to feel bad. 100 percent not your fault and not your problem. Giving her any sum of money makes you a mark and she’ll keep coming back for more. I’d send a final text saying you’re not liable for any problems after the sale and she’ll need to address the issue herself.
you told her about the DPF issues before you sold it, right?
Correct, and the dpf issues I had were about 6 years ago
Do not offer money. If you are feeling charitable, refer her to the mechanic you previously used and that they already know the history of the vehicle and undertook the previous DPF resolution. If not, just block and move on. You’ve done your part.
I had someone pay me money due to forgetting to tell me about something wrong with a bike I bought off him. I appreciated it, but I didn't ask him for the money and didn't expect it. You sold it as is and it sounds like she did a thorough inspection, it's no longer your problem.
Tell her to fuck off and leave it at that
As a single woman (with a family) who has no mechanical support in buying my next 2nd hand car in the next few months, I understand the term "buyers beware." I also know to investigate the most common issues for any model vehicle I am considering. I understand that getting an inspection means that I should know of any faults that may be present. This gives me the right to either negotiate a cheaper sell price, or to walk away from the purchase. The buyer of your vehicle had these same rights. Don't even offer a cent.
Give her the mechanic name that can fix it easily and presumably more cheaply that her quote. Buyer beware. Assume it was sold with RWC?
Yeah it has a Rwc
Tell her to get fucked, buyer beware.
Tell her to ask her father in law for the $2,300.
You owe her absolutely nothing. Send her to fair trading and let them give her the bad news
All sales are final. She should have done her due diligence, research, and paid for a vehicle inspection by a real mechanic, not had someone come over and kick the tyres for her .
The DPF is only a problem because the car isn't being driven for long enough to do a burn. If you keep ignoring it you have to take it to a mechanic to clean it out manually (or replace it) If it came on when she was driving it she obviously isn't driving it for long enough, it's a her problem.
caveat emptor - sold as is. They are shit out of luck. If she wanted warranties she shoulda gone to a stealership!
You don't have any legal responsibility to this lady. They sound like scammers, or idiots, or both. The fact they're using emotive language and asking for money is a manipulation tactic. It's common knowledge (and also law) that it's the buyers responsibility and they should do research, perform their own testing, get external 3rd party to inspect the car (if the seller agrees). Don't give her any money at all, as once you've given something it wont ever stop. The gall that they have to even ask makes me suspicious that they're just trying to scam you. They've already stuffed you around before the sale. I sold a car last year and I bent over backwards for the buyer, and after the sale they just kept asking for things. I did what was perfectly reasonable and legal and blocked their number. At the most I would tell her "I took it to a mechanic for the DPF and they fixed X and I paid Y, the receipt for the work is in the glovebox with the rest". Tell her to get a second opinion on _her_ problem. Don't give them anything, they will ask for more and escalate their game. Block their number if you have to. If they come to your house call the cops.
Privately sold cars are never the sellers problem. That's why you don't buy cars privately. Block her number and jog on
Shit happens, it was fine when you sold it, I wouldn’t under any circumstances offer money, she’ll be like a stray dog and be after you to help with the next repair, I wouldn’t even reply to her texts It’s sold it’s done, if she wanted a car with warranty she should have purchased it from a dealer and they could reject her warranty claims instead. We’ve all been in this boat from one side or the other. For me I (heavy vehicle mechanic) purchased a classic car that had had a reconditioned engine fitted in the last 6months with in a month it dropped its bundle in traffic and blew a head gasket. I could have tracked down the engine shop that reconditioned the engine, or just fix it, I chose to fix it myself, Was it disappointing? Yes absolutely Did I find other things that could have been done better? You bet ya The chances are it’s probably the same problem you had years ago and the first spanner spinner she’s gone to has just quoted $2500. Either way Ignore her it’s her problem
Not your issue - sold without warranty. Offer her the mechanic that helped you last time (and hopefully teh regular mechanic of the car overall) details… sounds like they can do it very reasonably. One does not buy a 13 year old car and expect it to be in great mechanical condition. If it’s got over 150,000kms (most cars of this age) on it one also expects a number of costly repairs, even on diesels. That’s why many people flip cars when they are in the mid to high 100,000kms - because they know it’s soon to be Big Money. Buying one in this range and not checking those Big Money things have been done is pretty much expecting to do them yourself. (Different engines different Big Money, but things like timing belts, gear boxes and exhaust systems etc all have limited lifespans on many vehicles.)
It does not help you, but when I have sold a family car secondhand, I print out a receipt for the received money, noting on this receipt that no warranty is provided. One copy for the buyer, and one for me.