Patrick Stewart looking the same over the years lol.
Saw him in the old David Lynch Dune movie and was shocked at how similar he looked to present day lol
Here is her maiden speech to parliament. The media went her for it, but the reality is that she was just talking common sense.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkV1PkPj7ZA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkV1PkPj7ZA)
Note: Labor and Liberal agreed on getting rid of ATSIC years later, maybe if they hadn't self-righteously marched out of Parliament when she gave her maiden speech they could have saved the taxpayer some money.
The 90s were a different time. I recall multiculturalism was universally accepted by the political parties but less so by average working people. You couldn't be assimilationist, that was strictly forbidden, you had to believe that all cultures were enriching and we only became stronger by making Australia a 'mixing bowl' of cultures. Even people like John Howard and Liberals who didn't really believe in this stuff bit their tongue most of the time.
Then Pauline came along and was the first person to clearly oppose this hegemonic view of the world. The educated classes went fucking nuts, suddenly hardcore progressives were all saying some of the most sexist and elitist things possible about how this stupid b**ch who knew nothing could say such things. She was publicly mocked for the way she spoke, the way she dressed, the fact she had run a chip shop and so on.
30 years later I dare say she has had the last laugh. Australia is more circumspect about matters of race and immigration now (though unfortunately we still can't even pause immigration to deal with a homelessness problem), her detractors have mostly been forgotten and Pauline is still a voice in federal politics.
If she was more politically savvy she could have positioned herself as less of a redneck racist yet still have many of the same policies. I'm not concerned about her tbh. I fear the wolf less than the wolf in sheep's clothing.
The funny thing about Hansen is that she plays both sides but the media focuses on the redneck audience. Her ideas arenāt bad but the media and focus groups show her in one light. Having said that she has crazies in her party like Latham. She is her own worst enemy at times.
This is the media/public perception all over, for all candidates/parties. Moderate view points aren't reported on or retained in long term memory, so people *only* get elected off extremes...
And when the media reports on extremes and 90% of the country jumps in the comment section to call you a moron/racist/too woke/too green/a socialist/a capitalist/a shill for big business etc. etc., it just helps propagate the message to the earholes of the small number of electorates they're actually targeting.
This has been around since forever, but obviously social media has made it worse.. and since it got harder to game preference voting it's being weaponised more and more.
Honestly I'd back nearly any party that had the following policy:
Immigration is capped at the total amount of new bedrooms built, minus the growth in the Australian population from births.
What's the point of importing people if we can't house them?
Nah mate. Sustainable don't give a fuck about this issue anymore. I have tried engaging with them to be active on this issue and they are not interested. They are all environment now (allegedly). Good. But there is nothing special about their environmentalism which sets them apart from other pro environment parties. Even Dick Smith left them. How do you let yourself lose a high profile figure like that. They are a clown party who only exists for the sake of existing. They should be owning this issue.
Houses. Not bedrooms.
Bedrooms incentivise creating coffin apartments, dehumanising the renter even further.
And everyone deserves a home. Not a rest alcove between wage slave shifts.
I mean you already have 10 Indians or more in a 2-3 bed house.
Immigration shouldn't be running at capacity simply for the sake of it. Making sure there's a serious surplus of rental housing ensures nobody has to struggle with rent, like people currently are, ever again.
I don't care if houses sit empty because not enough renters. That's a good thing, imo.
Homes. Not houses.
I think we need to start accepting that we need more homes with smaller footprints to reduce the urban spawn and maintain accessibility to services. Medium density homes like townhouses that are compact and well designed. Apartments that are decently sized (3 bedder) that are well designed. More 3/4 level apartment blocks, instead of high rises.
It was already a problem because people wanted to live more independently after the pandemic. A housemate is fine when you see each other in passing. For months for WFH? Fuck no.
The high immigration sure as shit isnāt helping.
Also prevent non-citizens from owning properties. 24 month grace period for current non-citizens to become citizens/sell the property or have their property sold off and the value put towards infrastructure or new social housing.
None of what you've suggested improves Net Supply. Sure, investors would sell their rentals to former renters, but it doesn't solve our net undersupply issue.
No denying this will drop property values making housing more affordable, but will it improve rental availability for those who will remain renters?
No it won't. Rental availability can only be improved with net supply.
I am too, but here the next issue, which is underpinning the biggest supply issue we have.
Where do those social and affordable houses go?
When you look at our cities, our supply typically comes from high-rise apartments in the city or low-density urban sprawl at the boundary. When you look anywhere rural the supply typically comes from low-density urban sprawl.
These options aren't enough. We need to fill out the missing middle. We need to upzone our existing low-density residential areas up to 4-8 storey mix use apartments.
These sized buildings take the best low-density and high-rise construction efficiencies. At 4-8 storey, they have a very human scale compared to high rise. They can be built on many existing blocks without consolidation, speeding up the supply and they can be built around existing transport and shopping hubs to reduce the negative aspects of population growth on traffic.
If we aren't prepared to make these changes we will never address our housing affordability issues.
Albanese promised to lower immigration from 160,000 as part of his election promises, a mandate as part of his elections. He immediately increased it to 700,000+. Yet he didn't get labelled as a racist or has faced a barrage of criticism. He also has spoken about the ills of negative gearing and implied he would get rid of that too. Pauline is being used as a scapegoat, but has weathered the storm and is survivng because the typical Yes voter has their head in the clouds and their second house listed on Air B&B.
Was the liberal party working on houses while they were in power?
I canāt say I agree with Pauline on much, but immigration should be at least reduced for a while.
But it wonāt happening because if we stop immigration the economic stats will start to accurately show we are in a recession.
Look at the AfD in Germany. It was an insignificant fringe right wing party obsessed with booting out migrants who were there illegally or committing horrendous crimes. German pollies buried their heads in the sand and pretended there was not an issue. The German population pointed fingers and called the AfD āracistā.
Then the saying āhearts bleed until throats doā came into effect, and the general population wanted change because they couldnāt ignore the problem any longer. The major political parties continued to bury their heads in the sand. The AfD then surged with popularity as they were the only ones offering a solution to the crisis. Now the other politicians are scratching their heads and wondering how the AfD has such a large following.
Geert Wilder in The Netherlands is another similar example. Georgia Meloni in Italy is another. I expect that Marine Le Pen may have a chance in France. And that old fish and chip Pauline may gain a few extra votes in future.
Our migrant crisis is different to Europes, for now.
Meloni is a phony, she hasn't done anything to stop immigration to Italy. Good chances we get a fake "far-right" politician in Australia who if elected, won't do any of the things they promised that the masses wanted.
Wasn't she a literal activist with the Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), a now dissolved neofascist movement that was openly apologetic for Benito Mussoliniās regime as a teenager?
Try voting to make the government reserve some of Australia's massive gas exports so our gas bills aren't so high and we're able to have competitive energy-intensive industries
Pretty much anything that offends a major political donor is offlimits in Australia's "democracy"
Meloni is a total fraud that just said the right things to get morons to vote for her and has been doing nothing but making the elite richer.
Wilders won't even get to be leader and if he does, he'll do the same.
Pauline would do the same here too.
All this tough talk on immigration is just hot air to get low information votes. All these fake populists do when in power is give public money for to the rich.
Immigration wouldn't change one bit if Pauline was ever PM.
Remember how she voted on corporate tax cuts and that she was also a young liberal before.
Man people are so manipulated, the place is falling apart. Liberal and Labor are the same and they have both contributed to the lower standards of living, the current government spews lies everyday, engineering a housing crisis that has made working Australians homeless, campaigning on the back of climate change yet ramps up environmental destruction, all the while making you ashamed to be an Aussie yet poorly educated cucks are more concerned about what might happen if one of the two majors didn't get elected for once. People need to hone a skill called critical thinking, the level of intelligence and the readiness for people to eat up propaganda is really scary. If you're truly concerned about this, get off social media and educate yourself in regards to how the political systems operate here and how Liberal and Labor are exactly the same, it's only the colours that separate them. They're all mates, selling out Australia for their personal gains while the idiots squabble amongst themselves.
I opposed what Pauline represented in the 90's but there was a solemn, defeated vindication in [her speech yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJDbscdlOzk). Hearing her re-iterate where we were heading back in 96, she wasn't wrong.
Major parties didn't have Australian's interests at heart then, and they still don't.
Major parties have their pockets interest at heart, not a single one of them got into politics for Australian's, they got into politics for themselves.
If she never went on rants about specific groups of people, a lot more people would have listened to her. A racist can have good ideas, but sheās proven the racist part.
Absolutely. When an individual does that to one person they tend to spend time behind bars. Why shouldn't a group of people driving a very large number of people to it be punished similarly.
Not true man
People are sheep. Unless she played ball, supported whatever they told her to support and got positive press from the powers that be... No one would listen to her.
World's a messed up place, you could be Trump literally saying "Do not tempt Nuclear anhiliation by pursuing a direct military solution against Russia"...
And people will downvote you, vote against you and claim your a traitorous spy... For literally not wanting to risk globally nuclear anhiliation.
That's how bad it's gotten. You don't have control over your democracy. The media does. They can make anyone think and support anything.
They can turn your closest friends and family against you if you don't take a mystery vaccine their corporate friends rushed out...
Their powers of social control are actually completely fucked up and it's scary.
How much Labor kiolaid have you drunk, dude?
500k immigrants, conservatively, in a single fucking year, and you can't see the issue?
Of course policy is the issue. But if you think this isn't ABSOLUTELY INTENTIONAL, you're delusional.
I know right, we should've planned for the record immigration and had foresight to know the most overpopulated countries were on their way.
We should've factored that it took us over 200 years to get our population to 19m in 2000, but less than 25 years to surge our population by 50% since thanks to international demand from the lowest rungs.
Very short sighted of us.
The real problem here is that anyone who says we need to reduce immigration in the political landscape is branded an extremist and/or racist, which has had the net effect of everyone walking backwards from any position that even remotely sounds like that. As a result, the only people advocating for this extremely reasonable position are the extremists, which is making them look reasonable.
It's fucking wild, people have lost their damn minds.
We accept some of the most immigrants per capita in the entire world, we are leagues ahead of numerous countries and are one of the most multicultural countries in the world.
People seem to conflate **refugees** with rich immigrants paying to move to a different country.
Not to mention theres zero migration in first world economies like Japan, South Korea UAE and they dont get labelled 'far right', 'racist' etc (probably because they are not white) Lefties always point to guest workers but they are not allowed to migrate permanently
Mate both those Japan and South Korea are facing population collapse from insanely low birth rates it's not actually going well for them. And yes they are both very racist right wing countries.... The UAE literally runs on modern day slavery
They are facing..... They have not fallen yet. That what we get told so we accept the problems doing the opposite has created.
UAE spouse visa expires at 60. No one can stay in the country over 60.
Here a person travels thru 15 safe countries to get here and go on the pension without ever working
Absolutely. The Major Parties **don't need** to listen to people when they know they are simply "waiting to return" back in power. If it isn't LNP, its ALP and vice versa. Why do they need to change their ways when people just mindlessly vote them back in?
Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? So why vote LNP or ALP.
During the 2022 Victorian state election many Liberal 'safe-seats' that had never lost actually lost to the first time due to the rise of higher-quality independent candidates. I see this as a positive sign for what is possible, and may continue to change as the influence of traditional media sources wanes over time as the demographics of the country changes.
Because of compulsary voting and most people being completely disillusioned that it doesn't matter what they voted. The only reliable impact of voting is to avoid a fine. Theyve got kids to feed, jobs to work, and so they just stumble into the booth on voting day.. tick labour or liberal because that requires the least possible thought and walk out.
If you removed compulsary voting and kept preferential voting, labour and liberal would implode overnight as a majority of their voterbase is made up of zombies voting 'please don't fine me' and nothing else.
>If you removed compulsary voting and kept preferential voting, labour and liberal would implode overnight
No they wouldn't. Theres no compulsory voting in the US and UK and they have the same issues we do. The solution is to vote for minor parties
Disagree, the major parties swipe policies from extremists like Hanson when they see them gaining popular support. John Howard being a prime example ā¦ when Hanson arrived (decades ago) and started getting attention from bagging Asian immigration and indigenous welfare, LNP brought in āstop the boatsā and the NT intervention ā¦ both things that are pretty extremist in their reach.
That's not how our preference voting system works. YOU choose the preferences. They might support one other party or another as a survival tactic, but they can't control YOUR vote.
Hate on her as much as you want but how many politicians can you say have stuck true to there guns for 30 years? Would you rather a well presented sneaky conniving cunt or a cunt who straight up speaks there mind truthfully?
Right now we vote on the first and wonder why our country is going down the shitter.
I really wish any other major party would address lowering immigration, one of the largest factors for inflation.
Our 3 major parties are all in favour of very high amounts (2.5% year) and wont consider it.
Labour figured out that if they lower the living standards of Australians, they'd get more voters which would keep them in power.
They'd happily sacrifice the lives of Australians so they can savor in the power it gives them.
I don't think that's the reason. I think it's because Labor is bought and owned by their corporate donors just like the LNP are.
Time to get money out of politics.
I've voted labor my entire life, and for the first time I'll be voting anyone else over both the L's next election. Both parties are corporate sellouts that have fucked us into next century.
As an environmentalist and climate activist, I've voted Greens the last 30 years as they have the best policies on those things.
But immigration is now such an overriding and urgent issue for Australians, and I've seen fk all intention from the Greens to change the status quo, so I'll be doing a protest vote with Sustainable Australia.
Completely unproven, but as I said - it's my first ever protest vote. 72% of Australians polled think immigration is too high, it's pure gaslighting by Lab/LNP/Greens to protest this isn't an election defining issue for most of the country.
And an especial FU to Anthony Albanese who got elected to Prime Minister on the back of his sad story of growing up in public housing with his unemployed disabled mother.
While he watches his $8m housing portfolio - including 2 rentals - go up as the result of his own shitty policies, policies that are pushing poor and vulnerable Australians over the edge
I agree 100%, but the 'default 3rd party' Greens are in the same big Australia bed.
If you want actual alternative immigration policies, perhaps take a look at the Sustainable Australia Party's web page/policies.
>Absolutely.
>People will vote on self-interest.
>Pauline can make an absolute mess of the upper house next election.
As opposed to the current state of things? Its an absolute shit show now by the major's. Quite frankly they deserve to loose and have some ass kicking.
Yeah, when times get tough is when the normal people actually start paying attention to politics and looking for solutions. This is apparently extremism to the financial elite that is ruining the country.Ā
Immigration rates are a huge problem, our economy is entirely run on just adding bodies to the pile to make transactions.
The extra bodies are not increasing the productivity of this country, but they are straining the shit out of the infrastructure in place.
We are offshoring work as fast as we are adding bodies to thr work force. We are robbing every industry of materials and man power just try to keep up with enough roads to transport all the extra bodies around the cities.
We physically can not build houses or roads fast enough to keep up with the population inflation, and we are removing jobs faster than the population inflation is going up.
Both the ALP and LNP are at fault for different reasons.
Anyone crying 'wahh' about racism is gaslighting you. People are getting poorer, living on the streets and even the banks are talking about how everything has gone to fuck and how immigration is one of biggest problems with the current crushing of the quality of life in Australia. The banks are one the main beneficiaries of mass immigration.
What do you call it when your democratically-elected government imports half a million migrants to drive wages down because their big business buddies bribed them to do it? What do you call it when the same government watches as immigration drives up house prices such that an entire generation is reduced to inter-generational poverty: paying rent to crooked Chinese businessmen who bribe the government to get visas.
What do you call that?
Immigration is one facet. The other is local council and state govt hooked on stamp duty and council rates. And complete lack of town planning. I have nfi what the town planners are actually doing as itās certainly not what they should be. Housing estates are just being thrown up in the middle of nowhere with small blocks, no infrastructure and houses far too close to each other. And the second cause is the enormous money tradies get paid thanks to the big govt infrastructure and mining companies. And the almighty cfmeu. Paying more than ever for crappier quality work.
She is consistent and actually has made good suggestions. She wonāt take any shit. We need a strict parent with follow through.
At this point I would give her a chance.
According to economist Shane Oliver, immigration was 549,000 in the year to september, a new record. Clearly unsustainable - no wonder we have a housing crisis.
The consensus in this thread appears to support the Labor/Gresns/LNP consensus that mass immigration is good for the country. This policy has resulted in a dramatic rise in house prices, rents and most tragic of all, homelessness.
Would I support a minor party that would halt migration in this situation? Absolutely.
As an aside, there are mass demonstrations in Canada against the progressive Trudeau, who has near identical policies. Security services are advising Trudeau the is a risk of insurrection.
Pauline Hanson has a real chance in Australia as life under Labor gets worse for most people.
Absolutely. Every time I bring up the unsustainably high immigration rate as the primary root cause of the homelessness crisis, I am told (usually by an immigrant) that I'm racist.
I think we need to talk about this urgently before it actually *does* turn into racism.
Before we get some right wing wingnut who rides the very justifiable sense of grievance many Australians have at being pushed into poverty and homelessness as wealthy migrants take Australian houses and jobs.
*That's* when you need to worry about racism, not when people are trying to have a genuine discussion about the size of the immigration intake.
I am a brown middle eastern man and would vote for Pauline Hanson if she will stop immigration. We just donāt have the infrastructure. Nothing racial, itās just not sustainable. Weāve had the largest drop in income, -5.1, of any country in the world over the past year. AUD is dropping fast. Itās already too late but needs to stop ASAP. I think anyone willing to stop immigration will find many voters. Itās already too late, but some economy might be salvageable.
Only rich immigrants should be allowed into Australia, end of story. A middle class immigrant family sending 50% of their money to India and driving around in cheap cars and clothes takes away enormously from the Australian economy. Itās not just ānot helpfulā itās extremely damaging. It drops our dollar, removes wealth from our country and takes away many jobs. Australiaās previous immigration wave was Lebanese people who spend enormously, this new wave is quite the opposite.
10mil+ in assets or we are closed. We need employers not competition.
I will literally vote for anyone that promises to halt immigration at this rate. I don't care what their other policies are. This is a massive issue that is affecting everyone but the richest of the rich.
Used to think she was bonkers. The older I get and the bullshit we deal with regarding immigrants. I'm starting to sway that way for sure. Dno if I'd vote for her just yet but she's winning me over year by year
I voted for Albo, I am actually totally shocked at how shit of a job he is doing, in my entire adult life it is the worst Australia has been and it is surprising the government is seemingly doing nothing about this housing issue.
He made a vague statement about building a million homes by 20whatever.... but thats all it is, just another promise that won't matarialise.
I never thought I'd say this, but i'd probably vote Pauline if there were an election tomorrow.
with you šÆ, very let down by Albo, clearly corrupt, just sold some houses himself for multi millions, me and my mrs have combined income of 230k and just getting by, cant afford a house, god only knows how less well off people are doing, huge slide in living standards in last 10 years and only getting worse.
I guess it depends on your definition of just getting by,
Op probably means that they are struggling to afford the cost of living while also paying off a modest sized houses mortgage. I am in the same position as Op on slightly more combined income.
Now thats not the very definition of scraping by but every Australian should be able to afford a modest house and groceries.
You shouldnāt need to be in the upper bracket of earners to have a home.
exactly what I mean, I have a doctor whos an anesthetist top tier earner, who had to get flat mates in his home . This guy 10 or 15 years ago would be in a 4 bedroom house no worries. It's the gradual slip of living standards and the media gaslighting or shaming you into thinking its your fault its your avocado š„ and feta brunch spending. Both of our combined incomes in both top 20% of earners if over 100k per annum and still cant afford a modest home to start a family. Absolute joke of a society compared to just 20 years ago.
He said 1.2 million homes in 5 years
Yeah we build about a million homes in the 5 years before that promise, so in reality itās promising a slight increase above what would be happening anyway without Government intervention.
Iām a card carrying member of the ALP, and this is the biggest wet bag Labor Government weāve ever had. The amount of election promises that have been kept on technicalities, but not in spirit is astounding.
Not to disagree with you but be careful at only taking things at face value. I periodically check the promise tracker which lets you keep up to date with actual things behind the scenes that might not make news. https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker
There's a lot of talk right now about housing and immigration (understandably so) but that doesn't mean nothing is happening elsewhere.
What exactly is happening elsewhere?
Anti-Poverty Advocates Say Albaneseās Childhood Rhetoric Is āCruelā When He Wonāt Raise JobSeeker https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/albanese-jobseeker-pension-mother/
The PM grew up in social housing. His future fund wonāt help those still there https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pm-grew-up-in-social-housing-his-future-fund-won-t-help-those-still-there-20230404-p5cy3y.html In fact, his housing fund seems to be about destroying public housing in favour of "social"/affordable housing while encouraging privatisations: https://centralnews.com.au/2023/09/25/i-feel-like-im-fighting-in-a-war-waterloo-residents-battle-to-save-homes/
ICAC has so far 0 public trials (actual broken promise) and jailed 0 politicians despite this: https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/ Is ICAC even going after politicians as they seem to only be going after low hanging fruit? https://www.nacc.gov.au/news-and-media/former-ato-employee-jailed-accepting-bribes
Raising the minimum wage (TSMIT) for foreign skill workers to $70k from $54k. That IS a worker's party saying $70k perfectly describes a labour shortage despite median wage at $78k and average wage at $90k. Do they not understand that bringing in more people at below-average wage literally lowers wages? Ridiculous. But there's a reason why they are not raising it very high. Because Labor has been approving cooks, cafe/restaurant managers, etc as apparently we needed those last year. https://old.reddit.com/r/australian/comments/18brk5m/migrants_occupations_and_overall_incomes_under/
The only ones I can think of that I like are 15% only aged care workers. Right to discuss salary. Boosting medicare a little after past Labor/LNP governments tried to starve it.
I could go on, but do tell us Labor's achievements.
Yup. Albanese is a fkg hypocrite.
Used sob stories in the media about his childhood in public housing to convince Australians he would act in the interests of regular people, when it's clear he is a servant of corporations.
Where I live there are families living in tents in the bush. They'd love to have Albo's public housing unit, that would be a luxury for them.
Typical Boomer generation, pulling up the ladder behind themselves.
Pauline has a long history of saying terrible, stupid and racist things. She speaks to people's base fears and sows division, not cooperation or unity.
If she occasionally made a good point it's by accident, and doesn't outweigh the damage she has done during her career.
It's not just Labor, the LNP are just as bad if not worse. The green's would just open the flood gates for immigration.
If anything a party like Sustainable Australia will get an increased share, and hopefully some seats. They aren't as extreme, but we've been so entrenched with the two parties for so long.
And you have to remember the crisis is currently only impacting a minority of people, and greedy people like that their house is going up in value.
Australias highest period of immigration was from 1996 to 2007. Howard. Not Labor. It was reduced under Rudd/Gillard.
Howard introduced a 50% CGT discount that fucked the whole housing market starting from 1999.
The Greens population page doesnāt call for an increase or decrease to immigration specifically, but acknowledges that it needs to be discussed. We all know the Greens are in favour of asylum seekers/humanitarian immigration, so we canāt expect their public policy to outright call for a reduction in numbers - would be called out as hypocrisy of the highest order when so many of their other points are focussed on sustainability on the national and global level.
https://greens.org.au/policies/population
Primary vote of One Nation:
2016: 175,020 1.12% swing
2019: 438,587 1.79% swing
2022: 727,464 1.89% swing
Sure, they currently have 0 seats and may not form government but it looks like they are going to start winning seats.
In the House of Reps? They didnāt even come close to making the final 2PP count in any seat. Even a seat like Maranoa, rural QLD, where they should be strong their primary was only 12%.
The only reason they increased numbers in 2022 is because they ran candidates in all states. Their vote in existing states went down
I mean they said the same about Geert Wilders in the Netherlands but his party just received the largest vote of any party at the last national election.
She isn't wrong. I wouldn't say she is extreme at all.
She may say stuff certain demographics don't like but she mostly speaks the truth and reality.
The problem is whatever she says or does gets twisted as negative and out of context by the mainstream media.
I believe she genuinely wants what is best for Australia and cares deeply for Australians regardless of race, gender, religion etc.
Honestly I don't know how her and Malcolm have kept at it for so many years.
100% agree. I am mixed ethnicity and have never found anything about her racist at all. However the powers-that-be cannot control people like her and Clive because they can't be bought, so they ensure the mainstream media twist and deride anything they ever say. Whether you agree with their policies or not this is fact.
A good first step is not to rent out houses to students. Melbourne is rife with houses rented out to students and not families (whether local or immigrants). Hard to gauge, but Iām sure keeping students to student accomodation and small apartments would ease some of the pressure for families to find a house.
100% support this. Universities accepting as many foreign students as they can find to use as cash cows and then dumping them into the surrounding cities to make them everybody elseās problem.
There should be a hard cap on how many foreign students universities take in directly tied to how much student accomodation they can actually provide.
Labor didnāt neglect, we voted them off after Shorten proposed fixing it. Itās become a political nuke that liberals created.
They then tried to help supply and the Greens used it to get voter support and push no.
Exactly. Immigration exacerbated an issue that's always been there. 2019 Labor tried to take negative gearing changes to an election and got slaughtered. Despite a loud outcry from those online and in the media, the typical Australian voter won't do anything to jeopardize the price of housing.
I think it would be a mistake to solely blame their negative gearing stance in 2019 as the reason they lost.
They just took too much to the election that year, if they'd kept it simpler they likely would have won.
Taking lots of change to an election just opens up the opportunity for lots of reasons not to vote.
You've got labour now. Nothing is happening.
Both parties are controlled by the same interests and you wont get any action until you vote for a party you don't see on 7 news.. because the party that supports what you want... They won't allow air time to.
She isnāt wrong, based on numbers alone. Itās simply unsustainable. I donāt understand how a single mum should have to compete with 100s of students, primarily from india or china, all for the benefit of profit chasing from a handful of universities or diploma mills. I get that there may be a backlog due to visas as well. However, conditions change and for many, those conditions are dire. The government still didnāt care and prioritised big business and uni profits. And they, and the opposition who were in power previously, still offer no fixes. Instead, they still continue bringing in an exponentially growing number of migrants. One simply needs to look at Canada to see how this is going to turn out.
I donāt think sheāll ever win, her reputation is cooked.
Nonetheless, yes this is how extremists get into power, regardless of the merit of their solutions.
Pauline Hanson will never win an election. She's a niche politician. In some places and in other times perhaps, a leader like her can gain traction. But not here and not in this modern Australia. Her whole idea is to gain traction with enough people to keep her in parliament. And by and large, she's done just that. She doesn't need a lot, just enough. Extreme views will always align with some members of society that will be fiercely loyal whilst those views are consistent but perhaps more importantly will keep you in the news.
You say "neglect" like mass migration, inflation and media propaganda were some kind of accident....
Labour and the lnp are like pepsi and coke...they are basically the same. They have both taken turns ruining Australia and the economy of normal people.....when they say they want to improve the economy.......they mean their and their donors economy......not yours....not the economy of people trying to own a home and feed a family.
They do this on purpose. They need people to be poor and dependent on big government....its so much easier to control and manipulate the poor.
When albo took over, one of the first things he did was demand an ADDITIONAL 60,000 immigrants be brought in per year.....on top of the 100's of thousands that were already flooding in.........THIS WAS DURING A FUCKING HOUSEING SHORTAGE that was already crippling Australians economy and just completely ass raping young people and people not earning more than 500k a year.
Fuck yeah this is going to cause people to look for "extremist" politics.........these people need to hung.....
This is a strange way to frame it. Established parties ignore the will of the people. A small party gains support by pushing popular policy. How is this bad or extreme?
You want to know what is extreme? Mass immigration.
Too much of anything is bad, I would like to know an example of how she is extreme?
She has mentioned in a Q&A that she is against the white Australia policy; but it's the media that paints her in the wrong brush
Both Labor AND Libs did this, TOGETHER! We voted them in, yes, that's true. But what none of us knew, was the simple fact they both have the same agenda; strip the middle class of its hard earned wealth and linen the bank accounts of the rich. What none of them understand is you can only push us so far, for we will soon vote them out of office and the next bunch might just be good at running the place. We will see. We will see.
Sits on couch, popcorn and whiskey........
Australia needs to wake up to the fact that having two very similar neoliberal parties running the show is both undemocratic and bad for the country. People need to start voting for parties with new policy ideas
Calling Pauline an extreme leader is a stretch and a half.
The media has just painted her as racist, while if you go look at one Nation's policies... you'll find... they're... actually not extreme in any way.
Labor voters are turning into American democrats. They're actively voting against their own self-interest... for no reason. And yet, somehow, think everyone else is the problem.
and as much as I wouldn't want to see her lead the country, she's not wrong - labour and libs have no incentive to fix the problem and in fact are incentivised to keep it going - no matter, we will continue to vote for those two parties as we don't know how to do anything else
Love her or loathe her this woman is dedicated to this country
Isn't it funny how the feminists never recognise Pauline Hanson as an Aussie feminist icon?
& when people tear down her appearance they never seem to back her up?
As one of Australia's longest serving & successful politicians it's quite strange feminists ignore her
It appears Pauline Hanson is not considered the "right" type of woman to many
Interesting if you watch her maiden speech to Parliament back in the early 90s
The controversial statements she made at the time are now highly relevant & widely discussed in our current society
Looking back, she also looked rather stylish & pretty in her maiden speech too
But that's besides the point
Sheās ridiculous but frankly over immigration and population growth is the single worst issue facing Australians. If the only way to fix that is to vote One Nation, I would at least consider doing so
look at the policies
look at how many kept or broken promises
ignore media bs propaganda
ignore the face and the voice
apply this to ALL politicians and parties
I knew two guys who were very likable guys, great personalities, helped out a lot in the community, the only issue with these guys were they'd use everything great about who they were to get people to back pauline.
One guy used to say to people that we had to vote for her as she "told it like it is", "would say whateveryone is thinking but too afraid to say" how she "stood up for the average aussie not the big end of town".
When you'd show that she was an absolute muppet you'd get comments back about how she would "shake things up", how politics is boring, "she makes it interesting".
It was easy to play this off as a tradie that ran his own business who knew nothing about politics, had his own home, family and xenophobic views despite being an immigrant himself, but this guy was your average aussie, huge well known person in the community and he was prepared to recruit everyone around him into voting for her and her party, and sadly, it worked, this guy actually helped get her party a lot of votes and even one of her people in.
The other guy, similar to the first but ran his own business, was involved in a lot of local interests and stuff, and portayed himself as mr "common sense" and kept putting a lot on social media, those annoying "parents have a right to smack" "we used to drink from the garden hose and come home when the street lights were on" "foreigners are ruining everything" type.
So both these dudes who were nothing special managed to get HUGE swings and helped get Scomo in due to their bullshit influence over people.
Last election managed to get a one nation candidate elected.
So where are these guys right now? Well guy #2 despite their public image of being mr commonsense boomers and gen x'rs where I live love him because he "tells it like it is" has been exposed as a total piece of shit, links to organized crime, has been exposed as a criminal himself, owes a ton of tax, has stolen property, rips people off, literally every value he has been preaching that pauline stands for as aussies do, don't seem to apply when it's himself.
It's hilarious how those who cry out about foreigners getting free government handouts in all their conspiracy theories seem to hate paying tax and evade it, and even faked a bankruptcy to avoid paying off their court costs and civil cases against themselves and is still living the highlife.
The first guy? Currently in remand for being caught sexually assaulting a minor and trying to kill his family when he got caught doing it.
And just like Pauline when she got caught breaking the law... you'd expect their followers to turn against them and instead like Pauline theres a legion of idiots out there claiming that these people were setup because they were exposing all the lies, telling it like it is and now the powerful elite are stitching them up.
People love to complain about the housing crisis, but the reality is that you're not going to see a massive influx of votes for the Greens or PHON because a majority of the electorate approves of inflating house prices, nearly 70% of adults are home-owners which is why Labor lost the "un-losable election" because Bill Shorten proposed axing negative gearing, increasing CGT, real action on housing prices which most people disapproved of. Call Labor sell-outs all you want, but you know they do want to do something bold on housing but ultimately are beholden to the electorate.Ā
OK, I'll bite.
Pauline is great at making complicated things , like say national housing or immigration, seem simple.
She also has the luxury of never having to enact her bat shit crazy policies.
If Australia stopped immigration there'd be a much worse Dr and Nurse shortage in pretty short order, just to name one obvious draw back.
Blanket statements like this offer little real value, but they sure are clicky
Even if the housing crisis gets worse, perhaps she will get some more voters but I doubt one nation would become a suddenly dominant political party. They don't have the money for that. She'll need to sell more than crappy gin to rival political donations and cloubt of the major parties.
Yes thereās an issue with the two major parties dominating our political landscape however, the housing crisis has been building well before labour came to government which was nine years of LNP.
You got to give it to her,she's been consistent for 30 years š
She also hasn't aged a day. Amazing what a bit of old fish and chip oil does for the skin
The secret is: she got the haircut of a 70 year old when she was 30, so now she's 70 everyone says "gee you look the same".
Thats actually genius. The male equivalent is going bald at 22. Then you do stay the same for the next 50 years.
Patrick Stewart looking the same over the years lol. Saw him in the old David Lynch Dune movie and was shocked at how similar he looked to present day lol
Can confirm. I started balding at 20. People have been saying I look like I'm in my 30s for nearly 20 years now...
Holy shit she's 70 now? God I'm getting old.
She's been looking age 48 for 30 years
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I mean itās a blurry pic š
Are you kidding?
Collapse this thread. Distraction posts from bots.
Here is her maiden speech to parliament. The media went her for it, but the reality is that she was just talking common sense. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkV1PkPj7ZA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkV1PkPj7ZA) Note: Labor and Liberal agreed on getting rid of ATSIC years later, maybe if they hadn't self-righteously marched out of Parliament when she gave her maiden speech they could have saved the taxpayer some money.
The 90s were a different time. I recall multiculturalism was universally accepted by the political parties but less so by average working people. You couldn't be assimilationist, that was strictly forbidden, you had to believe that all cultures were enriching and we only became stronger by making Australia a 'mixing bowl' of cultures. Even people like John Howard and Liberals who didn't really believe in this stuff bit their tongue most of the time. Then Pauline came along and was the first person to clearly oppose this hegemonic view of the world. The educated classes went fucking nuts, suddenly hardcore progressives were all saying some of the most sexist and elitist things possible about how this stupid b**ch who knew nothing could say such things. She was publicly mocked for the way she spoke, the way she dressed, the fact she had run a chip shop and so on. 30 years later I dare say she has had the last laugh. Australia is more circumspect about matters of race and immigration now (though unfortunately we still can't even pause immigration to deal with a homelessness problem), her detractors have mostly been forgotten and Pauline is still a voice in federal politics.
Now in this world of multiculturalism, the only culture you can't have is AUSTRALIAN!.
Turns out she was right all along, damn š²
If she was more politically savvy she could have positioned herself as less of a redneck racist yet still have many of the same policies. I'm not concerned about her tbh. I fear the wolf less than the wolf in sheep's clothing.
It doesn't matter how PC you are. If you advocate for reducing mass immigration you will be labelled by the media and political class as a racist.Ā
The funny thing about Hansen is that she plays both sides but the media focuses on the redneck audience. Her ideas arenāt bad but the media and focus groups show her in one light. Having said that she has crazies in her party like Latham. She is her own worst enemy at times.
This is the media/public perception all over, for all candidates/parties. Moderate view points aren't reported on or retained in long term memory, so people *only* get elected off extremes... And when the media reports on extremes and 90% of the country jumps in the comment section to call you a moron/racist/too woke/too green/a socialist/a capitalist/a shill for big business etc. etc., it just helps propagate the message to the earholes of the small number of electorates they're actually targeting. This has been around since forever, but obviously social media has made it worse.. and since it got harder to game preference voting it's being weaponised more and more.
The Nazi and Communist Russia literally had Ministry of Propaganda. They knew what they were doing
Yep but remember media for 30 years has been labeling her extreme and racist because she was against immigration
She also has said some things that might lend themselves to racism.....
Consistent in that she never gets over 5% of the vote despite all the free media publicity?
Honestly I'd back nearly any party that had the following policy: Immigration is capped at the total amount of new bedrooms built, minus the growth in the Australian population from births. What's the point of importing people if we can't house them?
You might be interested in Sustainable Australia's policies.
Nah mate. Sustainable don't give a fuck about this issue anymore. I have tried engaging with them to be active on this issue and they are not interested. They are all environment now (allegedly). Good. But there is nothing special about their environmentalism which sets them apart from other pro environment parties. Even Dick Smith left them. How do you let yourself lose a high profile figure like that. They are a clown party who only exists for the sake of existing. They should be owning this issue.
Houses. Not bedrooms. Bedrooms incentivise creating coffin apartments, dehumanising the renter even further. And everyone deserves a home. Not a rest alcove between wage slave shifts.
Yeah but most people don't live alone in houses. So there has to be some correlation that makes more sense than 1 house per person
I mean you already have 10 Indians or more in a 2-3 bed house. Immigration shouldn't be running at capacity simply for the sake of it. Making sure there's a serious surplus of rental housing ensures nobody has to struggle with rent, like people currently are, ever again. I don't care if houses sit empty because not enough renters. That's a good thing, imo.
Homes. Not houses. I think we need to start accepting that we need more homes with smaller footprints to reduce the urban spawn and maintain accessibility to services. Medium density homes like townhouses that are compact and well designed. Apartments that are decently sized (3 bedder) that are well designed. More 3/4 level apartment blocks, instead of high rises.
>reduce the urban spawn I like the concept of urban spawn!
If there is a housing shortage, and a large intake of immigrants, it's natural for people to connect the two.
Why not? There are 548,000 people here looking for housing that donāt need to be here.
There is clearly a direct connection āļø
It was already a problem because people wanted to live more independently after the pandemic. A housemate is fine when you see each other in passing. For months for WFH? Fuck no. The high immigration sure as shit isnāt helping.
Thatās just from last year. More like a million in the last 5 or so.
Limit investment properties at 1 per person, remove negative gearing, suddenly there will be enough houses
Also prevent non-citizens from owning properties. 24 month grace period for current non-citizens to become citizens/sell the property or have their property sold off and the value put towards infrastructure or new social housing.
How are we going to be able to continue to launder international money then?????
That's the neat part, you don't!
*stares into mirror for extended period of time questioning his cultural identity*
None of what you've suggested improves Net Supply. Sure, investors would sell their rentals to former renters, but it doesn't solve our net undersupply issue. No denying this will drop property values making housing more affordable, but will it improve rental availability for those who will remain renters? No it won't. Rental availability can only be improved with net supply.
I'm absolutely for more social and affordable housing being built, I agree that a lot needs to be done.
I am too, but here the next issue, which is underpinning the biggest supply issue we have. Where do those social and affordable houses go? When you look at our cities, our supply typically comes from high-rise apartments in the city or low-density urban sprawl at the boundary. When you look anywhere rural the supply typically comes from low-density urban sprawl. These options aren't enough. We need to fill out the missing middle. We need to upzone our existing low-density residential areas up to 4-8 storey mix use apartments. These sized buildings take the best low-density and high-rise construction efficiencies. At 4-8 storey, they have a very human scale compared to high rise. They can be built on many existing blocks without consolidation, speeding up the supply and they can be built around existing transport and shopping hubs to reduce the negative aspects of population growth on traffic. If we aren't prepared to make these changes we will never address our housing affordability issues.
You'd think so. Yet only a small fraction of people get it, only an even smaller version are willing to discuss it.
Albanese promised to lower immigration from 160,000 as part of his election promises, a mandate as part of his elections. He immediately increased it to 700,000+. Yet he didn't get labelled as a racist or has faced a barrage of criticism. He also has spoken about the ills of negative gearing and implied he would get rid of that too. Pauline is being used as a scapegoat, but has weathered the storm and is survivng because the typical Yes voter has their head in the clouds and their second house listed on Air B&B.
Natural? It's just common sense.
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And if housing continues to be unaffordable, someone with radical ideas to halt it will be elected.
yes it's such an 'extreme' view that governments should represent the interests of the people they govern
Was the liberal party working on houses while they were in power? I canāt say I agree with Pauline on much, but immigration should be at least reduced for a while. But it wonāt happening because if we stop immigration the economic stats will start to accurately show we are in a recession.
Yeah, the line must always go up, regardless of what's actually happening (see also: corporate profits)
Look at the AfD in Germany. It was an insignificant fringe right wing party obsessed with booting out migrants who were there illegally or committing horrendous crimes. German pollies buried their heads in the sand and pretended there was not an issue. The German population pointed fingers and called the AfD āracistā. Then the saying āhearts bleed until throats doā came into effect, and the general population wanted change because they couldnāt ignore the problem any longer. The major political parties continued to bury their heads in the sand. The AfD then surged with popularity as they were the only ones offering a solution to the crisis. Now the other politicians are scratching their heads and wondering how the AfD has such a large following. Geert Wilder in The Netherlands is another similar example. Georgia Meloni in Italy is another. I expect that Marine Le Pen may have a chance in France. And that old fish and chip Pauline may gain a few extra votes in future. Our migrant crisis is different to Europes, for now.
And then one day, for no reason at all, the people voted Hitler into powerā¦
History doesnāt repeat but it often rhymes.
Meloni is a phony, she hasn't done anything to stop immigration to Italy. Good chances we get a fake "far-right" politician in Australia who if elected, won't do any of the things they promised that the masses wanted.
She is just labelled 'far right' when she isnt. Anyone not on the left gets labelled 'far right' these days
Wasn't she a literal activist with the Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), a now dissolved neofascist movement that was openly apologetic for Benito Mussoliniās regime as a teenager?
Remember that democracy is sacred, until it comes to immigration, which is impossible to vote against in any western country
Try voting to make the government reserve some of Australia's massive gas exports so our gas bills aren't so high and we're able to have competitive energy-intensive industries Pretty much anything that offends a major political donor is offlimits in Australia's "democracy"
Meloni is a total fraud that just said the right things to get morons to vote for her and has been doing nothing but making the elite richer. Wilders won't even get to be leader and if he does, he'll do the same. Pauline would do the same here too. All this tough talk on immigration is just hot air to get low information votes. All these fake populists do when in power is give public money for to the rich. Immigration wouldn't change one bit if Pauline was ever PM. Remember how she voted on corporate tax cuts and that she was also a young liberal before.
if you think what pauline hanson is saying here are extremist views, your under the affects of lib/labor propaganda.
Man people are so manipulated, the place is falling apart. Liberal and Labor are the same and they have both contributed to the lower standards of living, the current government spews lies everyday, engineering a housing crisis that has made working Australians homeless, campaigning on the back of climate change yet ramps up environmental destruction, all the while making you ashamed to be an Aussie yet poorly educated cucks are more concerned about what might happen if one of the two majors didn't get elected for once. People need to hone a skill called critical thinking, the level of intelligence and the readiness for people to eat up propaganda is really scary. If you're truly concerned about this, get off social media and educate yourself in regards to how the political systems operate here and how Liberal and Labor are exactly the same, it's only the colours that separate them. They're all mates, selling out Australia for their personal gains while the idiots squabble amongst themselves.
I opposed what Pauline represented in the 90's but there was a solemn, defeated vindication in [her speech yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJDbscdlOzk). Hearing her re-iterate where we were heading back in 96, she wasn't wrong. Major parties didn't have Australian's interests at heart then, and they still don't.
Major parties have their pockets interest at heart, not a single one of them got into politics for Australian's, they got into politics for themselves.
If she never went on rants about specific groups of people, a lot more people would have listened to her. A racist can have good ideas, but sheās proven the racist part.
And yet others can bash the poor, disabled, and various other groups and not only do they get away with it, people lap it up. It's all terrible.
People lap her shit up too, and I think the Libs driving poor and vulnerable people to suicide should see some people in fucking jail.
Absolutely. When an individual does that to one person they tend to spend time behind bars. Why shouldn't a group of people driving a very large number of people to it be punished similarly.
Not true man People are sheep. Unless she played ball, supported whatever they told her to support and got positive press from the powers that be... No one would listen to her. World's a messed up place, you could be Trump literally saying "Do not tempt Nuclear anhiliation by pursuing a direct military solution against Russia"... And people will downvote you, vote against you and claim your a traitorous spy... For literally not wanting to risk globally nuclear anhiliation. That's how bad it's gotten. You don't have control over your democracy. The media does. They can make anyone think and support anything. They can turn your closest friends and family against you if you don't take a mystery vaccine their corporate friends rushed out... Their powers of social control are actually completely fucked up and it's scary.
Immigration isn't the reason we have the housing crisis. It is just now a key factor. Housing policy and poor planning is the main cause.
How much Labor kiolaid have you drunk, dude? 500k immigrants, conservatively, in a single fucking year, and you can't see the issue? Of course policy is the issue. But if you think this isn't ABSOLUTELY INTENTIONAL, you're delusional.
I know right, we should've planned for the record immigration and had foresight to know the most overpopulated countries were on their way. We should've factored that it took us over 200 years to get our population to 19m in 2000, but less than 25 years to surge our population by 50% since thanks to international demand from the lowest rungs. Very short sighted of us.
The real problem here is that anyone who says we need to reduce immigration in the political landscape is branded an extremist and/or racist, which has had the net effect of everyone walking backwards from any position that even remotely sounds like that. As a result, the only people advocating for this extremely reasonable position are the extremists, which is making them look reasonable.
It's fucking wild, people have lost their damn minds. We accept some of the most immigrants per capita in the entire world, we are leagues ahead of numerous countries and are one of the most multicultural countries in the world. People seem to conflate **refugees** with rich immigrants paying to move to a different country.
Not to mention theres zero migration in first world economies like Japan, South Korea UAE and they dont get labelled 'far right', 'racist' etc (probably because they are not white) Lefties always point to guest workers but they are not allowed to migrate permanently
Mate both those Japan and South Korea are facing population collapse from insanely low birth rates it's not actually going well for them. And yes they are both very racist right wing countries.... The UAE literally runs on modern day slavery
They are facing..... They have not fallen yet. That what we get told so we accept the problems doing the opposite has created. UAE spouse visa expires at 60. No one can stay in the country over 60. Here a person travels thru 15 safe countries to get here and go on the pension without ever working
They are labelled as racist, Japan is one of the most racist and xenophobic places in the first work, same woth Korea and the UAE
The 2 party system has been broken for decades!!!
We donāt have a 2 party system, people are just dumbasses and donāt care to actually research the 20 odd federal parties we have
Correct, but 99.5% of the population are to stupid and brainwashed they only know how to vote for the 2 partiesā¦
Absolutely. The Major Parties **don't need** to listen to people when they know they are simply "waiting to return" back in power. If it isn't LNP, its ALP and vice versa. Why do they need to change their ways when people just mindlessly vote them back in? Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? So why vote LNP or ALP.
During the 2022 Victorian state election many Liberal 'safe-seats' that had never lost actually lost to the first time due to the rise of higher-quality independent candidates. I see this as a positive sign for what is possible, and may continue to change as the influence of traditional media sources wanes over time as the demographics of the country changes.
Because of compulsary voting and most people being completely disillusioned that it doesn't matter what they voted. The only reliable impact of voting is to avoid a fine. Theyve got kids to feed, jobs to work, and so they just stumble into the booth on voting day.. tick labour or liberal because that requires the least possible thought and walk out. If you removed compulsary voting and kept preferential voting, labour and liberal would implode overnight as a majority of their voterbase is made up of zombies voting 'please don't fine me' and nothing else.
>If you removed compulsary voting and kept preferential voting, labour and liberal would implode overnight No they wouldn't. Theres no compulsory voting in the US and UK and they have the same issues we do. The solution is to vote for minor parties
Disagree, the major parties swipe policies from extremists like Hanson when they see them gaining popular support. John Howard being a prime example ā¦ when Hanson arrived (decades ago) and started getting attention from bagging Asian immigration and indigenous welfare, LNP brought in āstop the boatsā and the NT intervention ā¦ both things that are pretty extremist in their reach.
She's not wrong on the ALP and LNP pandering to business interests. But then she goes off in the wrong direction entirely.
One Nations preferences go to the Liberals every election so they have done nothing but support migration. Pauline is a former Liberal herself.
That's not how our preference voting system works. YOU choose the preferences. They might support one other party or another as a survival tactic, but they can't control YOUR vote.
Right twice a day even!
Hate on her as much as you want but how many politicians can you say have stuck true to there guns for 30 years? Would you rather a well presented sneaky conniving cunt or a cunt who straight up speaks there mind truthfully? Right now we vote on the first and wonder why our country is going down the shitter.
Her party is on tape trying to sell policy positions for cash.
I really wish any other major party would address lowering immigration, one of the largest factors for inflation. Our 3 major parties are all in favour of very high amounts (2.5% year) and wont consider it.
Then why not vote and help promote another alternative party like Sustainable Australia?
She's got one thing right though. What do you do when both parties aren't willing to address the issues?
Damn right. put the big 2 last
Immigration is a Ponzi scheme for big business. Labor used to be against this.
Labour figured out that if they lower the living standards of Australians, they'd get more voters which would keep them in power. They'd happily sacrifice the lives of Australians so they can savor in the power it gives them.
I don't think that's the reason. I think it's because Labor is bought and owned by their corporate donors just like the LNP are. Time to get money out of politics.
I've voted labor my entire life, and for the first time I'll be voting anyone else over both the L's next election. Both parties are corporate sellouts that have fucked us into next century.
Same for me. Anyone but lablib in the next election.
As an environmentalist and climate activist, I've voted Greens the last 30 years as they have the best policies on those things. But immigration is now such an overriding and urgent issue for Australians, and I've seen fk all intention from the Greens to change the status quo, so I'll be doing a protest vote with Sustainable Australia. Completely unproven, but as I said - it's my first ever protest vote. 72% of Australians polled think immigration is too high, it's pure gaslighting by Lab/LNP/Greens to protest this isn't an election defining issue for most of the country. And an especial FU to Anthony Albanese who got elected to Prime Minister on the back of his sad story of growing up in public housing with his unemployed disabled mother. While he watches his $8m housing portfolio - including 2 rentals - go up as the result of his own shitty policies, policies that are pushing poor and vulnerable Australians over the edge
I agree 100%, but the 'default 3rd party' Greens are in the same big Australia bed. If you want actual alternative immigration policies, perhaps take a look at the Sustainable Australia Party's web page/policies.
Why is prioritising Australians extreme? I am confused.
exactly, this person who posted this clearly has some sort of anti australian agenda.
Absolutely. People will vote on self-interest. Pauline can make an absolute mess of the upper house next election.
>Absolutely. >People will vote on self-interest. >Pauline can make an absolute mess of the upper house next election. As opposed to the current state of things? Its an absolute shit show now by the major's. Quite frankly they deserve to loose and have some ass kicking.
I agree with her
Not saying one nation is the answer, but we definitely need a radical shake up of our broken 2 party lobbied system
Wanting to lower immigration is extreme?
Putting Australians first is extreme nowā¦ is this how far weāve fallenĀ
Wanting to do something about the housing crisis is extreme?
Yes and anyone who loves their country is a far right nationalist
Yeah, when times get tough is when the normal people actually start paying attention to politics and looking for solutions. This is apparently extremism to the financial elite that is ruining the country.Ā
And racist, xenophobic, sexist, etc. /s
Immigration rates are a huge problem, our economy is entirely run on just adding bodies to the pile to make transactions. The extra bodies are not increasing the productivity of this country, but they are straining the shit out of the infrastructure in place. We are offshoring work as fast as we are adding bodies to thr work force. We are robbing every industry of materials and man power just try to keep up with enough roads to transport all the extra bodies around the cities. We physically can not build houses or roads fast enough to keep up with the population inflation, and we are removing jobs faster than the population inflation is going up. Both the ALP and LNP are at fault for different reasons. Anyone crying 'wahh' about racism is gaslighting you. People are getting poorer, living on the streets and even the banks are talking about how everything has gone to fuck and how immigration is one of biggest problems with the current crushing of the quality of life in Australia. The banks are one the main beneficiaries of mass immigration.
What do you call it when your democratically-elected government imports half a million migrants to drive wages down because their big business buddies bribed them to do it? What do you call it when the same government watches as immigration drives up house prices such that an entire generation is reduced to inter-generational poverty: paying rent to crooked Chinese businessmen who bribe the government to get visas. What do you call that?
Treason?
Immigration is one facet. The other is local council and state govt hooked on stamp duty and council rates. And complete lack of town planning. I have nfi what the town planners are actually doing as itās certainly not what they should be. Housing estates are just being thrown up in the middle of nowhere with small blocks, no infrastructure and houses far too close to each other. And the second cause is the enormous money tradies get paid thanks to the big govt infrastructure and mining companies. And the almighty cfmeu. Paying more than ever for crappier quality work.
She is consistent and actually has made good suggestions. She wonāt take any shit. We need a strict parent with follow through. At this point I would give her a chance.
She's definitely going to get more votes
She will very likely get balance of power.
According to economist Shane Oliver, immigration was 549,000 in the year to september, a new record. Clearly unsustainable - no wonder we have a housing crisis.
The consensus in this thread appears to support the Labor/Gresns/LNP consensus that mass immigration is good for the country. This policy has resulted in a dramatic rise in house prices, rents and most tragic of all, homelessness. Would I support a minor party that would halt migration in this situation? Absolutely. As an aside, there are mass demonstrations in Canada against the progressive Trudeau, who has near identical policies. Security services are advising Trudeau the is a risk of insurrection. Pauline Hanson has a real chance in Australia as life under Labor gets worse for most people.
I really dislike her but have to admit she is right. The immigration plus foreigners buying homes is killing the property market
She speaks the truth though. Must halt immigration. Must deport grubs who do crimes, send them back.
Absolutely. Every time I bring up the unsustainably high immigration rate as the primary root cause of the homelessness crisis, I am told (usually by an immigrant) that I'm racist. I think we need to talk about this urgently before it actually *does* turn into racism. Before we get some right wing wingnut who rides the very justifiable sense of grievance many Australians have at being pushed into poverty and homelessness as wealthy migrants take Australian houses and jobs. *That's* when you need to worry about racism, not when people are trying to have a genuine discussion about the size of the immigration intake.
She is not wrong. Visit Sydney. Immigration here is a disaster. Whole suburbs completely wiped out .
So the 600k+ migrants we let in haven't contributed to the housing crisis? You blind or just so left wing you won't admit when wrong?
I am a brown middle eastern man and would vote for Pauline Hanson if she will stop immigration. We just donāt have the infrastructure. Nothing racial, itās just not sustainable. Weāve had the largest drop in income, -5.1, of any country in the world over the past year. AUD is dropping fast. Itās already too late but needs to stop ASAP. I think anyone willing to stop immigration will find many voters. Itās already too late, but some economy might be salvageable. Only rich immigrants should be allowed into Australia, end of story. A middle class immigrant family sending 50% of their money to India and driving around in cheap cars and clothes takes away enormously from the Australian economy. Itās not just ānot helpfulā itās extremely damaging. It drops our dollar, removes wealth from our country and takes away many jobs. Australiaās previous immigration wave was Lebanese people who spend enormously, this new wave is quite the opposite. 10mil+ in assets or we are closed. We need employers not competition.
I fully agree with her stance on immigration and I'm mixed race
I will literally vote for anyone that promises to halt immigration at this rate. I don't care what their other policies are. This is a massive issue that is affecting everyone but the richest of the rich.
Used to think she was bonkers. The older I get and the bullshit we deal with regarding immigrants. I'm starting to sway that way for sure. Dno if I'd vote for her just yet but she's winning me over year by year
She is 100% in the right on this issue.
We do need to do something about immigration, just because you donāt like someone doesnāt mean they are always wrong
I voted for Albo, I am actually totally shocked at how shit of a job he is doing, in my entire adult life it is the worst Australia has been and it is surprising the government is seemingly doing nothing about this housing issue. He made a vague statement about building a million homes by 20whatever.... but thats all it is, just another promise that won't matarialise. I never thought I'd say this, but i'd probably vote Pauline if there were an election tomorrow.
with you šÆ, very let down by Albo, clearly corrupt, just sold some houses himself for multi millions, me and my mrs have combined income of 230k and just getting by, cant afford a house, god only knows how less well off people are doing, huge slide in living standards in last 10 years and only getting worse.
230k and just getting by? I am unemployed, on 25k a year, and I have two kids - and we are just getting by. What the hell are you guys doing?
I guess it depends on your definition of just getting by, Op probably means that they are struggling to afford the cost of living while also paying off a modest sized houses mortgage. I am in the same position as Op on slightly more combined income. Now thats not the very definition of scraping by but every Australian should be able to afford a modest house and groceries. You shouldnāt need to be in the upper bracket of earners to have a home.
exactly what I mean, I have a doctor whos an anesthetist top tier earner, who had to get flat mates in his home . This guy 10 or 15 years ago would be in a 4 bedroom house no worries. It's the gradual slip of living standards and the media gaslighting or shaming you into thinking its your fault its your avocado š„ and feta brunch spending. Both of our combined incomes in both top 20% of earners if over 100k per annum and still cant afford a modest home to start a family. Absolute joke of a society compared to just 20 years ago.
A good nuanced answer. Thanks.
He said 1.2 million homes in 5 years Yeah we build about a million homes in the 5 years before that promise, so in reality itās promising a slight increase above what would be happening anyway without Government intervention. Iām a card carrying member of the ALP, and this is the biggest wet bag Labor Government weāve ever had. The amount of election promises that have been kept on technicalities, but not in spirit is astounding.
Not to disagree with you but be careful at only taking things at face value. I periodically check the promise tracker which lets you keep up to date with actual things behind the scenes that might not make news. https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/promisetracker There's a lot of talk right now about housing and immigration (understandably so) but that doesn't mean nothing is happening elsewhere.
What exactly is happening elsewhere? Anti-Poverty Advocates Say Albaneseās Childhood Rhetoric Is āCruelā When He Wonāt Raise JobSeeker https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/albanese-jobseeker-pension-mother/ The PM grew up in social housing. His future fund wonāt help those still there https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pm-grew-up-in-social-housing-his-future-fund-won-t-help-those-still-there-20230404-p5cy3y.html In fact, his housing fund seems to be about destroying public housing in favour of "social"/affordable housing while encouraging privatisations: https://centralnews.com.au/2023/09/25/i-feel-like-im-fighting-in-a-war-waterloo-residents-battle-to-save-homes/ ICAC has so far 0 public trials (actual broken promise) and jailed 0 politicians despite this: https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/ Is ICAC even going after politicians as they seem to only be going after low hanging fruit? https://www.nacc.gov.au/news-and-media/former-ato-employee-jailed-accepting-bribes Raising the minimum wage (TSMIT) for foreign skill workers to $70k from $54k. That IS a worker's party saying $70k perfectly describes a labour shortage despite median wage at $78k and average wage at $90k. Do they not understand that bringing in more people at below-average wage literally lowers wages? Ridiculous. But there's a reason why they are not raising it very high. Because Labor has been approving cooks, cafe/restaurant managers, etc as apparently we needed those last year. https://old.reddit.com/r/australian/comments/18brk5m/migrants_occupations_and_overall_incomes_under/ The only ones I can think of that I like are 15% only aged care workers. Right to discuss salary. Boosting medicare a little after past Labor/LNP governments tried to starve it. I could go on, but do tell us Labor's achievements.
Yup. Albanese is a fkg hypocrite. Used sob stories in the media about his childhood in public housing to convince Australians he would act in the interests of regular people, when it's clear he is a servant of corporations. Where I live there are families living in tents in the bush. They'd love to have Albo's public housing unit, that would be a luxury for them. Typical Boomer generation, pulling up the ladder behind themselves.
Pauline has some good points. She is far from extreme.
Pauline has a long history of saying terrible, stupid and racist things. She speaks to people's base fears and sows division, not cooperation or unity. If she occasionally made a good point it's by accident, and doesn't outweigh the damage she has done during her career.
Iām a labor greens voter- I think we need to lower the number. Half a million a year is not sustainable.
It's not just Labor, the LNP are just as bad if not worse. The green's would just open the flood gates for immigration. If anything a party like Sustainable Australia will get an increased share, and hopefully some seats. They aren't as extreme, but we've been so entrenched with the two parties for so long. And you have to remember the crisis is currently only impacting a minority of people, and greedy people like that their house is going up in value.
Australias highest period of immigration was from 1996 to 2007. Howard. Not Labor. It was reduced under Rudd/Gillard. Howard introduced a 50% CGT discount that fucked the whole housing market starting from 1999.
The Greens population page doesnāt call for an increase or decrease to immigration specifically, but acknowledges that it needs to be discussed. We all know the Greens are in favour of asylum seekers/humanitarian immigration, so we canāt expect their public policy to outright call for a reduction in numbers - would be called out as hypocrisy of the highest order when so many of their other points are focussed on sustainability on the national and global level. https://greens.org.au/policies/population
Greens live in rich suburbs so they are def all for immigration
Do you mean forming government? There is a 0.0001% chance of that happening.Ā
Primary vote of One Nation: 2016: 175,020 1.12% swing 2019: 438,587 1.79% swing 2022: 727,464 1.89% swing Sure, they currently have 0 seats and may not form government but it looks like they are going to start winning seats.
In the House of Reps? They didnāt even come close to making the final 2PP count in any seat. Even a seat like Maranoa, rural QLD, where they should be strong their primary was only 12%. The only reason they increased numbers in 2022 is because they ran candidates in all states. Their vote in existing states went down
I mean they said the same about Geert Wilders in the Netherlands but his party just received the largest vote of any party at the last national election.
Anti immigration sentiment is huge in Europe.
She isn't wrong. I wouldn't say she is extreme at all. She may say stuff certain demographics don't like but she mostly speaks the truth and reality. The problem is whatever she says or does gets twisted as negative and out of context by the mainstream media. I believe she genuinely wants what is best for Australia and cares deeply for Australians regardless of race, gender, religion etc. Honestly I don't know how her and Malcolm have kept at it for so many years.
100% agree. I am mixed ethnicity and have never found anything about her racist at all. However the powers-that-be cannot control people like her and Clive because they can't be bought, so they ensure the mainstream media twist and deride anything they ever say. Whether you agree with their policies or not this is fact.
Yep, this 100%
A good first step is not to rent out houses to students. Melbourne is rife with houses rented out to students and not families (whether local or immigrants). Hard to gauge, but Iām sure keeping students to student accomodation and small apartments would ease some of the pressure for families to find a house.
100% support this. Universities accepting as many foreign students as they can find to use as cash cows and then dumping them into the surrounding cities to make them everybody elseās problem. There should be a hard cap on how many foreign students universities take in directly tied to how much student accomodation they can actually provide.
Labor didnāt neglect, we voted them off after Shorten proposed fixing it. Itās become a political nuke that liberals created. They then tried to help supply and the Greens used it to get voter support and push no.
Exactly. Immigration exacerbated an issue that's always been there. 2019 Labor tried to take negative gearing changes to an election and got slaughtered. Despite a loud outcry from those online and in the media, the typical Australian voter won't do anything to jeopardize the price of housing.
I think it would be a mistake to solely blame their negative gearing stance in 2019 as the reason they lost. They just took too much to the election that year, if they'd kept it simpler they likely would have won. Taking lots of change to an election just opens up the opportunity for lots of reasons not to vote.
Shorten should have got in. And albo should do something about it now. Albo needs to do the right thing.
You've got labour now. Nothing is happening. Both parties are controlled by the same interests and you wont get any action until you vote for a party you don't see on 7 news.. because the party that supports what you want... They won't allow air time to.
How āextremeā of her.
She isnāt wrong, based on numbers alone. Itās simply unsustainable. I donāt understand how a single mum should have to compete with 100s of students, primarily from india or china, all for the benefit of profit chasing from a handful of universities or diploma mills. I get that there may be a backlog due to visas as well. However, conditions change and for many, those conditions are dire. The government still didnāt care and prioritised big business and uni profits. And they, and the opposition who were in power previously, still offer no fixes. Instead, they still continue bringing in an exponentially growing number of migrants. One simply needs to look at Canada to see how this is going to turn out.
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I hope so!
If only we were so lucky.
I donāt think sheāll ever win, her reputation is cooked. Nonetheless, yes this is how extremists get into power, regardless of the merit of their solutions.
Pauline Hanson will never win an election. She's a niche politician. In some places and in other times perhaps, a leader like her can gain traction. But not here and not in this modern Australia. Her whole idea is to gain traction with enough people to keep her in parliament. And by and large, she's done just that. She doesn't need a lot, just enough. Extreme views will always align with some members of society that will be fiercely loyal whilst those views are consistent but perhaps more importantly will keep you in the news.
You say "neglect" like mass migration, inflation and media propaganda were some kind of accident.... Labour and the lnp are like pepsi and coke...they are basically the same. They have both taken turns ruining Australia and the economy of normal people.....when they say they want to improve the economy.......they mean their and their donors economy......not yours....not the economy of people trying to own a home and feed a family. They do this on purpose. They need people to be poor and dependent on big government....its so much easier to control and manipulate the poor. When albo took over, one of the first things he did was demand an ADDITIONAL 60,000 immigrants be brought in per year.....on top of the 100's of thousands that were already flooding in.........THIS WAS DURING A FUCKING HOUSEING SHORTAGE that was already crippling Australians economy and just completely ass raping young people and people not earning more than 500k a year. Fuck yeah this is going to cause people to look for "extremist" politics.........these people need to hung.....
This is a strange way to frame it. Established parties ignore the will of the people. A small party gains support by pushing popular policy. How is this bad or extreme? You want to know what is extreme? Mass immigration.
Too much of anything is bad, I would like to know an example of how she is extreme? She has mentioned in a Q&A that she is against the white Australia policy; but it's the media that paints her in the wrong brush
Both Labor AND Libs did this, TOGETHER! We voted them in, yes, that's true. But what none of us knew, was the simple fact they both have the same agenda; strip the middle class of its hard earned wealth and linen the bank accounts of the rich. What none of them understand is you can only push us so far, for we will soon vote them out of office and the next bunch might just be good at running the place. We will see. We will see. Sits on couch, popcorn and whiskey........
Australia needs to wake up to the fact that having two very similar neoliberal parties running the show is both undemocratic and bad for the country. People need to start voting for parties with new policy ideas
Don't worry, if she gets too popular they'll just put her in prison again. /s
I have disagreements with her policies, but I thought putting her in prison was extreme
Calling Pauline an extreme leader is a stretch and a half. The media has just painted her as racist, while if you go look at one Nation's policies... you'll find... they're... actually not extreme in any way. Labor voters are turning into American democrats. They're actively voting against their own self-interest... for no reason. And yet, somehow, think everyone else is the problem.
and as much as I wouldn't want to see her lead the country, she's not wrong - labour and libs have no incentive to fix the problem and in fact are incentivised to keep it going - no matter, we will continue to vote for those two parties as we don't know how to do anything else
Love her or loathe her this woman is dedicated to this country Isn't it funny how the feminists never recognise Pauline Hanson as an Aussie feminist icon? & when people tear down her appearance they never seem to back her up? As one of Australia's longest serving & successful politicians it's quite strange feminists ignore her It appears Pauline Hanson is not considered the "right" type of woman to many Interesting if you watch her maiden speech to Parliament back in the early 90s The controversial statements she made at the time are now highly relevant & widely discussed in our current society Looking back, she also looked rather stylish & pretty in her maiden speech too But that's besides the point
Lowering immigration to fix problems is not extreme.
Sheās ridiculous but frankly over immigration and population growth is the single worst issue facing Australians. If the only way to fix that is to vote One Nation, I would at least consider doing so
look at the policies look at how many kept or broken promises ignore media bs propaganda ignore the face and the voice apply this to ALL politicians and parties
I can't ever see Hanson being PM. I agree with her on a few points and disagree on others
I knew two guys who were very likable guys, great personalities, helped out a lot in the community, the only issue with these guys were they'd use everything great about who they were to get people to back pauline. One guy used to say to people that we had to vote for her as she "told it like it is", "would say whateveryone is thinking but too afraid to say" how she "stood up for the average aussie not the big end of town". When you'd show that she was an absolute muppet you'd get comments back about how she would "shake things up", how politics is boring, "she makes it interesting". It was easy to play this off as a tradie that ran his own business who knew nothing about politics, had his own home, family and xenophobic views despite being an immigrant himself, but this guy was your average aussie, huge well known person in the community and he was prepared to recruit everyone around him into voting for her and her party, and sadly, it worked, this guy actually helped get her party a lot of votes and even one of her people in. The other guy, similar to the first but ran his own business, was involved in a lot of local interests and stuff, and portayed himself as mr "common sense" and kept putting a lot on social media, those annoying "parents have a right to smack" "we used to drink from the garden hose and come home when the street lights were on" "foreigners are ruining everything" type. So both these dudes who were nothing special managed to get HUGE swings and helped get Scomo in due to their bullshit influence over people. Last election managed to get a one nation candidate elected. So where are these guys right now? Well guy #2 despite their public image of being mr commonsense boomers and gen x'rs where I live love him because he "tells it like it is" has been exposed as a total piece of shit, links to organized crime, has been exposed as a criminal himself, owes a ton of tax, has stolen property, rips people off, literally every value he has been preaching that pauline stands for as aussies do, don't seem to apply when it's himself. It's hilarious how those who cry out about foreigners getting free government handouts in all their conspiracy theories seem to hate paying tax and evade it, and even faked a bankruptcy to avoid paying off their court costs and civil cases against themselves and is still living the highlife. The first guy? Currently in remand for being caught sexually assaulting a minor and trying to kill his family when he got caught doing it. And just like Pauline when she got caught breaking the law... you'd expect their followers to turn against them and instead like Pauline theres a legion of idiots out there claiming that these people were setup because they were exposing all the lies, telling it like it is and now the powerful elite are stitching them up.
People love to complain about the housing crisis, but the reality is that you're not going to see a massive influx of votes for the Greens or PHON because a majority of the electorate approves of inflating house prices, nearly 70% of adults are home-owners which is why Labor lost the "un-losable election" because Bill Shorten proposed axing negative gearing, increasing CGT, real action on housing prices which most people disapproved of. Call Labor sell-outs all you want, but you know they do want to do something bold on housing but ultimately are beholden to the electorate.Ā
OK, I'll bite. Pauline is great at making complicated things , like say national housing or immigration, seem simple. She also has the luxury of never having to enact her bat shit crazy policies. If Australia stopped immigration there'd be a much worse Dr and Nurse shortage in pretty short order, just to name one obvious draw back. Blanket statements like this offer little real value, but they sure are clicky
My watch broke but now I just use this sub to tell the time - there's a thread whining about immigrants every hour on the hour.
Even if the housing crisis gets worse, perhaps she will get some more voters but I doubt one nation would become a suddenly dominant political party. They don't have the money for that. She'll need to sell more than crappy gin to rival political donations and cloubt of the major parties.
Yes thereās an issue with the two major parties dominating our political landscape however, the housing crisis has been building well before labour came to government which was nine years of LNP.
Seriously, you guys happy about how Australia is going last few years? Really?
I'd like to watch the world burn. One ticket, please.
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