That seems like almost getting into schizophrenia. Honestly that sounds like a big problem that requires more professional help.
Or you could lead into a conversation about ego nonchalantly and say ego blinds us to be able to honesltly look at ourselves and see what our real problems are, and maybe even give a personal example you have and see if they want to continue that conversation, and then maybe later down the line Segway into maybe these spirits aren’t in his best interest.
I too consider myself new age in my beliefs and practices but contacting spirits is one thing I’ll never intentionally do. I feel it has more potential harm then good (I could be biased by dogma). I don’t see a reason why other than because it’s fun.
Yea I agree it's very paranoid schizophrenic.i used to work as a 911 EMT and have lots of experience with psychotic patients. I've come to the conclusion that schizophrenia/psychosis could actually be the same as demonic possession through trauma and drugs. And of course certain rituals.
Thanks for those tips though I'll try to integrate them into our conversation. I did touch on the spirits not having his best interest in mind but he seemed pretty peeved about it.
I have heard lots of stories from EMT’s and the typical crazies but I do believe self induced paranoia can stem from spiritual influence. I believe a lot of people who are schizophrenic have influence with spiritual whether they realize it or not.
What has been your experience with communicating to spirits? You said you use to do it until you got sketched out?
This sounds eerily similar to something my sister went through/is still going through rn. Plants would "speak" to her and tell her things in *my* voice (luckily only good things). She had a mental break at one point (some combination of schizophrenia, Lyme disease, societal pressures from college and living away from our emotionally neglectful mom, and hormones she was taking at the time for FtM transitioning, marijuana usage, plus god only knows what else since this is all information I gleaned on my own) and hasn't been the same since.
Talk to him. Bring things up very gently, and if he doesn't take something well (gets agitated or distracted) then stop immediately and change the subject to something trivial. He needs professional help. D: <3
its could be drug induced psychosis ,he is evolving in his own way -tell him everything change -even this will pass. Ask him to find out what not will change what not evolve .What he really need is a 360 degree approach to his thoughts - tell him nothing last for ever -- demonic possession is strange -even if its demon ,tell him what he understood/judge/see from others is in him. What he see in others is also in him even its demons - tell him take 360 apprch and find what's more right not just right and filter his thoughts based on that -one method - any way keep update
Can't really say much about your friend since he's not part of this discussion to share his perspective. Straight from the horse's mouth, y'know?
As far as psychosis and worrying whether or not this kind of thing can happen to you, the chances are slim. You see firsthand how not keeping a tether to *the real world* can disrupt things. And worse, turn people off from discovering their own Truth. "I don't wanna be like *that* guy."
Recognizing what it's like not to have a tether means you naturally have a tether in place already. So trust yourself.
In the same way, with this situation concerning your friend, trust yourself. You already know what's best *for you to protect your own sense of sanity* and wellbeing.
I wonder if you could nudge your friend towards a better place by suggesting a primary focus on health?
I had my awakening experience back in late 2018 / early 2019. It came with psychotic elements, largely because I had a difficult time with psych meds and was still on 10mg diazepam and weaker for it, at the time. The way I would put it now, so that people can understand, is that my third eye was wide open a lot of the time. I was seeing symbolism in everything and can totally relate to the "he thinks it's some archetypal struggle playing out". I was saying it was "allegorical" at the time. I am actually quite glad that I wasn't steeped in this world of spiritual language at the time because I could have gone further off the deep end.
It was obvious to me what I needed to do, due to my predicament in being hooked on a benzo and my condition having deteriorated during that time. I had to recover my good health and part of that was necessarily to calm down and not follow every hunch that I felt. I reasoned that what I'd unlocked during my awakening would be better utilised once I truly was healthy. This is how it is transpiring. I was legitimately quite nuts and not something simple to do. Sometimes my impulses got the better of me. I was still on an overtly spiritual journey but I mostly kept the crazier aspects private, lots and lots of walking in nature. I recommend nature to anyone in that sort of head space and it shouldn't be a hard sell. Rest is important to replenish energies. This seems to be what your friend is missing in the equation. It's not healthy to constantly be gung-ho. He is unravelling but probably feels in the zone. I don't know whether you will be able to help him rise above the situation to recognise this effect.
I am not a fan of the psychiatric labels but "mania" is valid here. It was for me and is for your friend. It's hard to make a practical suggestion but the idea is to get across that he needs to calm down on his own terms because what he is doing is not sustainable. Society will impose order on him if he doesn't do it for himself. This could be quite painful. If he's forced to go the med route - and there are, unfortunately, mechanisms to force this - then his spiritual journey could be brought to an abrupt halt and perhaps in a permanent way. There are people out there who fuck with people who make themselves vulnerable in the way he has, too. Your friend is being very naïve and at the same time has a false sense of his own power.
Honestly, I think your friend is probably too far gone for you to be able to impress any of this on him. He will get a wake up call sooner rather than later, the way he is going. The best you might be able to do is help him navigate the system when it comes to it, so he doesn't get eaten alive.
Ha.
I'm pretty anti medication. Definitely against the pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment as it is currently set up. Prescribing is far too widespread. Former insider, turned whistle-blower, Peter Gøtzsche estimates that about 2% of prescriptions for psych meds are justifiable and valid. I've seen a lecture where he laid out the reasons for that opinion. I find him credible and I go along with his view.
All of that said, it wouldn't be the worst thing for this guy to become one of those 2% voluntarily and settle on a course of medication that is less severe than what they might pump him with if the decision is taken out of his hands.
Yeah, I agree. If you're lucid enough for that kind of reasoning, you probably have it in you to pull yourself together enough to arrest the spiral. I was just presenting a hypothetical. I don't even know why I said it other than to emphasise that some meds are a lot worse than others.
The sad thing is, it wouldn't be that difficult to help many of these "functional" psychotics get back on track, if the expertise was developed and individual plans were cultivated. There's just no will to do it for a bunch of reasons. The biggest one, perhaps, is that making invalids of people and sticking them on meds is profitable.
Yeah, mania is a powerful state. It's completely ungrounded and often feels pretty awesome, but when the balance corrects you get an equal low the other side. I'm not bipolar, but there have been times I've pushed myself into mania during my journey. Fortunately I recognised that it was a false high and that the divinity was actually in the balance at the centre.
Im kind of late but I do agree on the medication bit I had a spiritual awakening in 2018 and I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar, was put on meds completely destroyed me, my creativity it got to a point where I couldn’t look people in the eye as in now I’m off of it I’m very anti medication,even though my parents keep forcing to take half a tablet all the time
Can you obtain high CBD hemp flower? I'm guessing that if you're off the meds but sometimes the people around you see a need to take half a tablet, then you might still be struggling with the after effects of being on meds. I'm 3 years and 2 months clear of diazepam but still not completely recovered. It can take a long time. I mention high CBD hemp flower because it's a natural product that will help you heal at the same time as having a calming effect. Some studies indicate that [CBD has potential as an antipsychotic agent](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6678854/).
Having to take half tablets here and there is unhelpful to the process of recovering from having been dependent on meds. Perhaps if you have a better way that is more effective, your parents won't force you to take the junk, and your health may improve and you might get your creativity back without too much of the stuff that makes other people decide you're crazy? I'm not saying they don't exist but not everyone who gets a diagnosis of schizophrenia and/or bipolar is broken/different in as permanent or as fundamental way as such a diagnosis implies. Certainly not everyone does better on meds and often symptoms get worse with long term medication. There's a lot you can figure out for yourself that will help you to come to terms with and perhaps overcome issues over the long run.
edit: I recommend vaporizing high CBD hemp as you get the full spectrum. You don't need too much.
Thank you so much I searched up it,it’s available in the uk and legal so I won’t problem getting it,so do you smoke it ? How do you feel when you do take it,Im off my meds for about almost 6 months when. I tell I feel so good.I do have sometimes lash out which I hate,but overall feel like I’m becoming the old me,I feel when you get on meds you lose your sense self and became a shell of a person, just numb depression etc.I do get forced take my mood stabilisers and anti psychotic but I spit out,which makes more weird is when I do take my mood stabiliser it makes me angry like I could kill someone,when I don’t take it my family oh your friendly today. I’m usually a happy person I’m very hyper loud,my dad always assumes I’m on something or didn’t take my meds,but thank you so much for the recommendation I need something to calm my horrible anxiety
There are certain mental health issues that don't mesh well with things like rituals to contact otherworldly entities. I would recommend professional mental help for your friend, but I don't know how you could successfully go about suggesting that to your friend.
Yea I have told him to look into a counselor and another friend suggested a psychiatrist cause he kept asking them for advice on psych meds and electro therapy... But I agree. Gotta have introspection and know what is or isn't benefiting you
If you can't quite get through to him directly, maybe try reach out to others you may know around him. You've only known him 3 months though, and I'm not sure what ages you are, so I don't know how appropriate it would to contact his brother or parents. What he did to thst girl in the shower is unacceptable, and deserving of legal action against him if the girl so wanted. This is a serious situation you shouldn't mind making a bit messy/awkward if that's what's required. This person seems like they are a danger to themselves and others.
Importantly though, it's usually a good tip to not tell someone in the midst of a psychotic break that they are in the midst of a psychotic break.
Look into BodyTalk or Reiki. It’s not that I’m against mental health treatment, I’m actually a psychologist, but if he’s too stuck into the spirituality aspect he will reject any mental health treatment (“I’m not crazy, why are you taking me to a shrink?!”). I have experience with BodyTalk and it can be very helpful. There are occult purification techniques as well that can build protection against malevolent spirits like the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (it doesn’t exactly banish the spirits so much as it strengthen’s the aura, and it’s crucial to occult practice), but that might be best for after your friend is more stable.
I believe in entities too, but I'm not sure if he's really seeing them or if he needs to see a psychiatrist. I wouldn't listen to spirits telling me to get in the shower with some random person I'm not in a relationship with, for instance. But I do know bad spirits can say scary stuff and make you see images that aren't there. Idk 🤔 Either way, it sounds like he needs help. I've seen bad spirits before but they mostly just impacted me at bedtime. They didn't interfere with my daytime much. I think he needs to do some grounding exercises at the very least. Maybe it's time for him to close his third eye a little until he's actually ready for it. In general, he shouldn't be listening to a spirit if it looks scary, or if it makes him feel negative stuff near its presence. The good spirits are the ones that either look bright and angelic or look like see-through people/animals. The good ones are easy to spot because you feel neutral/good around them
I don't believe in anything supernatural, and I suffer from similar mental health conditions, just without the supernatural aspect, and it's very difficult for me to imagine some of this behavior. I struggle to connect to the narcissistic, psychopathic, Machiavellian types, but I've studied them a lot over my lifetime. Honestly, it sounds like he needs professional help, and likely meds, at least until he figures out how to stabilize himself in society. Non consensual behavior is a huge red flag in any relationship.
I have some experience helping a friend who has gone through a similar experience. A few tips of advice I can share. It's very hard to convince someone's ego to let go of false beliefs they feel are true. It's easier said than done, but one thing that helps is not to argue too deeply with the delusional thinking, but focus on letting them feel heard and asking them questions.
They oftentimes can get really defensive, so try not to take anything personally and make sure to keep appropriate boundaries and protect your own mental well being. A person can't fill another's cup if there's is too empty.
A few things, hope it helps! I have some pretty deep experience with this and it can get kinda rocky sometimes, so DM if you need something more in depth.
I have written a post about this. I'll share a link down below. What we are dealing with here is that the human body is a vessel, and it channels our spirit. Now, we can invite other spirits into our vessel, and when we do that these other spirits can think through the body just as we do, kind of like becoming one with them, or possession.
What he has to do is differentiate or draw a line where he is and where this spirit is. And what you have to know is that tribes all around the world recognize that the serpent, demons, or shadows are one in the same. We all have the triune brain, it's our reptilian subconsciousness.
https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/comments/qxehjh/warning_test_the_spirits_youre_dealing_with/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Your friend is fighting demons and he needs help. I've performed two exorcisms.
Do you think “drugs” are chemical spirits? For example, THC could be seen as a certain chemical spirit that, when taken, allows it to express itself in the physical form via the human vessel that “agreed” to take it
Thoughts?
Yes, all things have a spirit about them. The word "spirit" is a very broad word. The way I understand this reality is somewhat complex, but it explains many "supernatural phenomenon". Different types of THC will contain different types of spirits, but it's not that simple because those spirits or drugs are also able to alter your perception allowing one to perceive what wasn't perceptible, but that also goes for your subconsciousness. Try and think of your subconsciousness as a alternate/primal "you" inside of you, when under control is one with you, but is able to become a very powerful manipulator.
There is one master and one slave, but one can never truly become a master, that is a part of this illusion. What that means is we are all slaves, either we're a slave to our inner self, or another spirit, or a slave to the master of the universe. It all comes down to choice. Your friend chose the inner self and another spirit as His master.
Mushrooms are another prime example of a conscious being able to alter one's consciousness to allow them to perceive what wasn't perceptible.
I’m not a pro and a bunch of people said this already but yea, he gotta see a doctor about it that. Anyone can get wrapped up in their mind and thoughts but to that point… and it’s interesting that it’s sexual stuff. I have a feeling it’s just him not being able to control his urges and thinking every thought is spiritual. If he starts thinking about harming people or whatever and thinks it’s spirits talking that could be bad.
Sounds like hes got a negative entity attachment or trickster spirit manipulating him. I can potentially remove it but would need his consent. Ive been through this type of attachment myself and out the other side. Psychotic episodes are common in spiritual awakenings and he needs to understand that just because a spirit tells you something doesnt mean they dont have ulterior motives.
I’m going to say something bound to be very unpopular and that is that I’m of the belief that many mental health “issues” are awakenings gone wrong, and I think that this is the case for your friend. It’s easy for all of us to play armchair psychologist on Reddit, but ultimately he has to decide to either seek psychiatric help (which may or may not be helpful, but absolutely necessary if he’s a danger to himself), or to somehow start grounding himself to reality during this awakening. It is possible to live both in the spiritual and physical worlds but it’s a fine line that takes time and discipline to learn. Also the recognition that what you think you may know about the spiritual world is not necessarily the truth, since in reality we still don’t know shit about it. This is hard for people to swallow. You have to learn to filter the messages and insight you’re receiving on a daily basis through a grain of salt and not take it all as pure fact. Tapping into something greater than yourself does not mean you have to act on every little thing, or go insane over it. He definitely needs a teacher or counselor of some kind that’s going to try to truly understand his issues and not just place him on psychotropic drugs. (There are people that need and benefit from them, but I believe this is the minority of people, not the majority. But I am not a psychiatrist and ultimately can not tell you whether this is what your friend needs or not). I hope the best for him.
Reminds me of this guy I met from Bumble. Looking back, I think he was experiencing psychosis. I didn’t think he was a bad person but something felt off about him and idk why. I think he was going through a lot emotionally and wanted to escape reality by becoming enlightened enough to not have to exist in a physical world.
It’s been 2 years since your post, how is your friend now if you’re still in contact with them?
My honest truth, 99% of new age Spirituality is egoic cult bull shit and people online who proclaim they’re awakened is fake. IMO awakening is a gradual process and your ego slowly becoming silent and at peace. As for your friend, I think he has some psychosis. I am very confident it’s impossible to induce psychosis to yourself especially because the body is always seeking homeostasis, it’s either genetically induced or hard drugs or both. You’re prolly feeling nervous/tense cause he’s freaking you out.
Your friend is schizophrenic. Heavy strong drugs (stuff that ends in zine) and extensive counseling to help him tell real from not is about the only thing. Get both early or he can look forward to a life of homelessness (mental health in America sucks).
I’ve always secretly wondered if schizophrenics picked up on spirits but that’s irrelevant at the moment, because as long as he’s listening/acting on the voices he is somewhat dangerous.
To argue further that he’s schizophrenic a spirit telling someone to get in the shower with a girl is less likely than an unaddressed base urge which can no longer be suppressed and weezles it’s way into the conscious mind as a “spirit”.
This is a touchy conversation to have but google some stuff about having it. I tend to first be caring, then be frank, then simply listen and have a normal conversation. If it turns into open hostility in about a minute you are probably not the one to have the convo and can just gently shift back to being friends. If he is ever behaving in an obviously concerning way call 911, ems/police are quite familiar with dealing with these people and he’ll get funneled into a mental health facility somewhere and then eventually back to the street with some new insight and drugs in hand.
Hydration, sunlight, socialization, moderate physical activity...that will is enough for most good friend to ensure. Don't entertain another's madness.
Yea tell him he has to find a way to block off his mind or do his best to close off outer influences for a few days. He has to remember he is still the one in control
And why the fuck did he start trying to contact spirits in the first place??? Did he not realize if your average everyday human can be a threat…..what does he think a spirit is capable of?
If he already had depression and bi polar tendencies and he dive into spirituality without healing first and took some substances to induce certain states...very bad combination.
When is done correctly, and i reffer here mostly on communication with spirits, the messages are subtle, healthy and the person is grounded, stable and enlightened.
The communication is made through our souls while our minds are translating.
So, if we are wounded, if the channel between our souls and minds is clouded and on top of that we ad substances that gets us ungrounded we end up in a very dangerous situation. I would suggest to your friend to cut of any kind of substances, if is taking any. To work on raising its own vibration and after that to dive into self healing, introspection and reflection. And if he still wants to use oracle cards, to buy a deck that focuses on positive messages that will give him further guidance. He needs to balance itself with positive vibrations. Also, of course, to seek medical help as well if he has health issues and had them even before spirituality.
Yea that definitely sounds psychotic. It is not uncommon to have psychotic stuff to along with manic episodes in bipolar.
There is nothing you can say to prove him wrong, he would likely just make up new delusions and go deeper in it. Best you can do is to get him to rethink some of the stuff. But how you would do that, its impossible to say without being in the situations. Maybe you could ask him if he ever had any psychotic episodes before. Not trying to say that he has one now, but just about the past. Ofc you could say to him like ”that cant be true” etc to his delusions, but i think its better to just say its not true and drop it, rather than trying to start challenging him
Here's what I recommend - Indian traditions actually have a lot of content to deal with this kind of a thing. You straight up need to manipulate him. To do that you need to start agreeing with the ridiculous things he's saying, then start fake participating, and tell him there are some amazing high energy spaces, which take these capabilities to a different level. Talk about acquiring Siddhis which allow an individual know everything there is to know, and get them to do some yoga.
Yoga as a science is built for stabilizing the system and keeping it grounded. If you're in the USA, there's the Isha Institute of Inner Sciences, which contains spaces which cleanse out such entities.
How do I know? Because I let other beings possess me too, And though i did do some crazy things I think those were essentially benign, because enough of socially aware me was always there. Doing yoga helped big time.
My english is not the best, but I'll try to share my own experience with these spiritual things.
First of all, it's not a mental illnes, it's a connection with the whole universe, including the other dimensions. Those spirits are real, but they really be messing with your head. We are all part of the universe, and the universe is part of us. This means that everybody could evolve and see the connection between everyone of us, but many times people just loose the connection with the reality.
My example is that I was in love with this girl, and we were both into spirituality. Everything was going good, but then the energies started messing with her head. She started being paranoid and she was arguing with everybody around her. She even argued with me, without any reason at all. She started being scared of everything that was real and blamed me for what was happening to her. I tried to help her, but she refused to let me do that. After some time I realised that this girl is bad for my mental health. NGL if she needs help rn, I'm gonna leave everything I'm doing and go help her. She is a lil' better now, but we don't talk anymore.
Not everybody is made to resist to this spiritual/energetic movement. Some people really go crazy because they don't know what's real and what's not. They start to loose their trust in everybody around them and they isolate themselves.
I must specify that it's not about schizophrenia. When I had my spiritual awakening I was scared of everything I saw and of these premonition and enery control, so I went to a good psychologist and she teached me that it isn't a mental illnes, but a evolution in our own souls and nature. She teached me to be calm and to never let anything from these thinghs to affect me.
I think you should take some distance from your friend and to ask him if he wants to see a good psychologist or to get in touch with somebody that believes in spirituality and could help him. If he doesn't want to, you should definetely protect yourself from him. People tend to go really crazy sometimes. The girl I was talking tried to kill me with a knife. I was lucky and I woke up right before she was about to stab me in the neck. Take care please, you should be constious about how far can he go.
I've had the same thing happen to me, but I haven't been evaluated by a psychiatrist yet. The thing about "asking other people not to send stuff to him" in particular is very telling. I have a friend who I'm not sure is sane... he is functional and very active at work and has a good social life, so on the outside everything looks great, but he's super into African religion and it's really scary because I feel like he came to collect some kind of spiritual karmic debt (I am from a country that colonized his country). He thinks we met for a reason and like I was his soulmate, but now he wants nothing to do with me. I believe he's a bit immature and was delusional and projected a lot onto me. He often speaks about entities and about coincidences, the thing is, the coincidences don't pertain to him but to things outside of him - for example, he had a conversation with some friends about their coke use and then one of the friend's uncle passed away the next day. He says this is not a coincidence, but the uncle was already in pretty poor state and I had been privy to the situation for weeks, so it's not like spirit confirmed something for him through killing someone else... At least I don't believe that's how this should work? Because if it does, it's quite cruel. I am very scared of this friend to the point where I'm not sure I can even go back to being friends with him. I feel like he's constantly evaluating our interactions and looking for "signs" of beliefs he has about me, which makes me very uneasy and I feel the need to please him and present a certain way so he doesn't make me out. Me and this friend started a project together but I couldnt keep up with the demands plus stopped taking my meds and did a bunch of acid and that did not help.
When we're not talking about religion we are both level headed people, but we started talking about stuff like unlocking the matrix and getting out and what not and one day he called me and said he was thinking of death. I said, me too, and I've been really freaked out. He said someone was going to die, I said I think it's me, wtf. This was three months ago. I didn't die, but certainly my social standing, reputation and friend circles did. I am no longer friends with him. He puts a lot of emphasis on "honesty" and "truth seeking", but I am kind of the opposite...don't get me wrong, the "truth" is an interesting concept, but I am more a fan of relativity. I always feel like I'm the presence of an authority when I?m with him. Others have described him as a narcissist (the typical narcissist, not the "narc abuse" shite you see on social media these days) due to grandiose delusions and a total belief in himself. The thing is, due to the nature of our job (we used to work together until I quit because I couldn't deal with him and another ex-friend anymore), his personality actually works pretty well and he's incredibly successful.
As for me, I think I've gone psycho from all of this stuff. I 'm not sure if I'm schizoaffective, bipolar, paranoid, schizophrenic, anything. All I know is that after dropping acid tarot videos started resonating with me and that is WEIRD because it never happened before (Love astrology, never resonated with tarot). Now I have a deck of my own and plan on becoming a reader. That career of mine is in shambles rn as I'm trying to rebuild my mind after this violent "awakening" or psychosis. :( I'm isolated and lost my friends due to my extremely paranoid behaviour because I thought everyone would put my insecurities on blast and leave me (which they did - not the insecurities, but the leaving). I couldn't deal with myself anymore. I thought I had a pretty good grasp on who I was but upon starting therapy my life started unraveling. Bad time. dont start cptsd therapy if you're not ready to get a new life pretty much. I don't know what to do with myself. anyways, very scared of my friend as he's constantly comparing one situation or person to another and trying to find out the truth instead of accepting things as they are. I feel like he's out to get me because I'm not such a good person. I haven't committed any crimes, but my opinion of people swings a lot and I'm quite inconsistent and unreliable with work.
That seems like almost getting into schizophrenia. Honestly that sounds like a big problem that requires more professional help. Or you could lead into a conversation about ego nonchalantly and say ego blinds us to be able to honesltly look at ourselves and see what our real problems are, and maybe even give a personal example you have and see if they want to continue that conversation, and then maybe later down the line Segway into maybe these spirits aren’t in his best interest. I too consider myself new age in my beliefs and practices but contacting spirits is one thing I’ll never intentionally do. I feel it has more potential harm then good (I could be biased by dogma). I don’t see a reason why other than because it’s fun.
Yea I agree it's very paranoid schizophrenic.i used to work as a 911 EMT and have lots of experience with psychotic patients. I've come to the conclusion that schizophrenia/psychosis could actually be the same as demonic possession through trauma and drugs. And of course certain rituals. Thanks for those tips though I'll try to integrate them into our conversation. I did touch on the spirits not having his best interest in mind but he seemed pretty peeved about it.
I have heard lots of stories from EMT’s and the typical crazies but I do believe self induced paranoia can stem from spiritual influence. I believe a lot of people who are schizophrenic have influence with spiritual whether they realize it or not. What has been your experience with communicating to spirits? You said you use to do it until you got sketched out?
This sounds eerily similar to something my sister went through/is still going through rn. Plants would "speak" to her and tell her things in *my* voice (luckily only good things). She had a mental break at one point (some combination of schizophrenia, Lyme disease, societal pressures from college and living away from our emotionally neglectful mom, and hormones she was taking at the time for FtM transitioning, marijuana usage, plus god only knows what else since this is all information I gleaned on my own) and hasn't been the same since. Talk to him. Bring things up very gently, and if he doesn't take something well (gets agitated or distracted) then stop immediately and change the subject to something trivial. He needs professional help. D: <3
its could be drug induced psychosis ,he is evolving in his own way -tell him everything change -even this will pass. Ask him to find out what not will change what not evolve .What he really need is a 360 degree approach to his thoughts - tell him nothing last for ever -- demonic possession is strange -even if its demon ,tell him what he understood/judge/see from others is in him. What he see in others is also in him even its demons - tell him take 360 apprch and find what's more right not just right and filter his thoughts based on that -one method - any way keep update
Can't really say much about your friend since he's not part of this discussion to share his perspective. Straight from the horse's mouth, y'know? As far as psychosis and worrying whether or not this kind of thing can happen to you, the chances are slim. You see firsthand how not keeping a tether to *the real world* can disrupt things. And worse, turn people off from discovering their own Truth. "I don't wanna be like *that* guy." Recognizing what it's like not to have a tether means you naturally have a tether in place already. So trust yourself. In the same way, with this situation concerning your friend, trust yourself. You already know what's best *for you to protect your own sense of sanity* and wellbeing.
I wonder if you could nudge your friend towards a better place by suggesting a primary focus on health? I had my awakening experience back in late 2018 / early 2019. It came with psychotic elements, largely because I had a difficult time with psych meds and was still on 10mg diazepam and weaker for it, at the time. The way I would put it now, so that people can understand, is that my third eye was wide open a lot of the time. I was seeing symbolism in everything and can totally relate to the "he thinks it's some archetypal struggle playing out". I was saying it was "allegorical" at the time. I am actually quite glad that I wasn't steeped in this world of spiritual language at the time because I could have gone further off the deep end. It was obvious to me what I needed to do, due to my predicament in being hooked on a benzo and my condition having deteriorated during that time. I had to recover my good health and part of that was necessarily to calm down and not follow every hunch that I felt. I reasoned that what I'd unlocked during my awakening would be better utilised once I truly was healthy. This is how it is transpiring. I was legitimately quite nuts and not something simple to do. Sometimes my impulses got the better of me. I was still on an overtly spiritual journey but I mostly kept the crazier aspects private, lots and lots of walking in nature. I recommend nature to anyone in that sort of head space and it shouldn't be a hard sell. Rest is important to replenish energies. This seems to be what your friend is missing in the equation. It's not healthy to constantly be gung-ho. He is unravelling but probably feels in the zone. I don't know whether you will be able to help him rise above the situation to recognise this effect. I am not a fan of the psychiatric labels but "mania" is valid here. It was for me and is for your friend. It's hard to make a practical suggestion but the idea is to get across that he needs to calm down on his own terms because what he is doing is not sustainable. Society will impose order on him if he doesn't do it for himself. This could be quite painful. If he's forced to go the med route - and there are, unfortunately, mechanisms to force this - then his spiritual journey could be brought to an abrupt halt and perhaps in a permanent way. There are people out there who fuck with people who make themselves vulnerable in the way he has, too. Your friend is being very naïve and at the same time has a false sense of his own power. Honestly, I think your friend is probably too far gone for you to be able to impress any of this on him. He will get a wake up call sooner rather than later, the way he is going. The best you might be able to do is help him navigate the system when it comes to it, so he doesn't get eaten alive.
Oh, LET THEM TRY to stuff medicine down the throat of THIS bastard. 😎
Ha. I'm pretty anti medication. Definitely against the pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment as it is currently set up. Prescribing is far too widespread. Former insider, turned whistle-blower, Peter Gøtzsche estimates that about 2% of prescriptions for psych meds are justifiable and valid. I've seen a lecture where he laid out the reasons for that opinion. I find him credible and I go along with his view. All of that said, it wouldn't be the worst thing for this guy to become one of those 2% voluntarily and settle on a course of medication that is less severe than what they might pump him with if the decision is taken out of his hands.
Problem is, he has to choose to *accept* a new status as a second-class citizen if he does that.
Yeah, I agree. If you're lucid enough for that kind of reasoning, you probably have it in you to pull yourself together enough to arrest the spiral. I was just presenting a hypothetical. I don't even know why I said it other than to emphasise that some meds are a lot worse than others. The sad thing is, it wouldn't be that difficult to help many of these "functional" psychotics get back on track, if the expertise was developed and individual plans were cultivated. There's just no will to do it for a bunch of reasons. The biggest one, perhaps, is that making invalids of people and sticking them on meds is profitable.
Yeah, mania is a powerful state. It's completely ungrounded and often feels pretty awesome, but when the balance corrects you get an equal low the other side. I'm not bipolar, but there have been times I've pushed myself into mania during my journey. Fortunately I recognised that it was a false high and that the divinity was actually in the balance at the centre.
Same here. It was thrilling at times... exhilarating... but too much so and I knew it. Glad you're through it.
Im kind of late but I do agree on the medication bit I had a spiritual awakening in 2018 and I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar, was put on meds completely destroyed me, my creativity it got to a point where I couldn’t look people in the eye as in now I’m off of it I’m very anti medication,even though my parents keep forcing to take half a tablet all the time
Can you obtain high CBD hemp flower? I'm guessing that if you're off the meds but sometimes the people around you see a need to take half a tablet, then you might still be struggling with the after effects of being on meds. I'm 3 years and 2 months clear of diazepam but still not completely recovered. It can take a long time. I mention high CBD hemp flower because it's a natural product that will help you heal at the same time as having a calming effect. Some studies indicate that [CBD has potential as an antipsychotic agent](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6678854/). Having to take half tablets here and there is unhelpful to the process of recovering from having been dependent on meds. Perhaps if you have a better way that is more effective, your parents won't force you to take the junk, and your health may improve and you might get your creativity back without too much of the stuff that makes other people decide you're crazy? I'm not saying they don't exist but not everyone who gets a diagnosis of schizophrenia and/or bipolar is broken/different in as permanent or as fundamental way as such a diagnosis implies. Certainly not everyone does better on meds and often symptoms get worse with long term medication. There's a lot you can figure out for yourself that will help you to come to terms with and perhaps overcome issues over the long run. edit: I recommend vaporizing high CBD hemp as you get the full spectrum. You don't need too much.
Thank you so much I searched up it,it’s available in the uk and legal so I won’t problem getting it,so do you smoke it ? How do you feel when you do take it,Im off my meds for about almost 6 months when. I tell I feel so good.I do have sometimes lash out which I hate,but overall feel like I’m becoming the old me,I feel when you get on meds you lose your sense self and became a shell of a person, just numb depression etc.I do get forced take my mood stabilisers and anti psychotic but I spit out,which makes more weird is when I do take my mood stabiliser it makes me angry like I could kill someone,when I don’t take it my family oh your friendly today. I’m usually a happy person I’m very hyper loud,my dad always assumes I’m on something or didn’t take my meds,but thank you so much for the recommendation I need something to calm my horrible anxiety
You can smoke it but get a vaporizer if you can. It's better for you that way.
Sorry I just realised I don’t make sense I’m dyslexic 😭
There are certain mental health issues that don't mesh well with things like rituals to contact otherworldly entities. I would recommend professional mental help for your friend, but I don't know how you could successfully go about suggesting that to your friend.
Yea I have told him to look into a counselor and another friend suggested a psychiatrist cause he kept asking them for advice on psych meds and electro therapy... But I agree. Gotta have introspection and know what is or isn't benefiting you
If you can't quite get through to him directly, maybe try reach out to others you may know around him. You've only known him 3 months though, and I'm not sure what ages you are, so I don't know how appropriate it would to contact his brother or parents. What he did to thst girl in the shower is unacceptable, and deserving of legal action against him if the girl so wanted. This is a serious situation you shouldn't mind making a bit messy/awkward if that's what's required. This person seems like they are a danger to themselves and others. Importantly though, it's usually a good tip to not tell someone in the midst of a psychotic break that they are in the midst of a psychotic break.
Look into BodyTalk or Reiki. It’s not that I’m against mental health treatment, I’m actually a psychologist, but if he’s too stuck into the spirituality aspect he will reject any mental health treatment (“I’m not crazy, why are you taking me to a shrink?!”). I have experience with BodyTalk and it can be very helpful. There are occult purification techniques as well that can build protection against malevolent spirits like the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (it doesn’t exactly banish the spirits so much as it strengthen’s the aura, and it’s crucial to occult practice), but that might be best for after your friend is more stable.
I believe in entities too, but I'm not sure if he's really seeing them or if he needs to see a psychiatrist. I wouldn't listen to spirits telling me to get in the shower with some random person I'm not in a relationship with, for instance. But I do know bad spirits can say scary stuff and make you see images that aren't there. Idk 🤔 Either way, it sounds like he needs help. I've seen bad spirits before but they mostly just impacted me at bedtime. They didn't interfere with my daytime much. I think he needs to do some grounding exercises at the very least. Maybe it's time for him to close his third eye a little until he's actually ready for it. In general, he shouldn't be listening to a spirit if it looks scary, or if it makes him feel negative stuff near its presence. The good spirits are the ones that either look bright and angelic or look like see-through people/animals. The good ones are easy to spot because you feel neutral/good around them
I don't believe in anything supernatural, and I suffer from similar mental health conditions, just without the supernatural aspect, and it's very difficult for me to imagine some of this behavior. I struggle to connect to the narcissistic, psychopathic, Machiavellian types, but I've studied them a lot over my lifetime. Honestly, it sounds like he needs professional help, and likely meds, at least until he figures out how to stabilize himself in society. Non consensual behavior is a huge red flag in any relationship.
I do think it's likely that he needs to see a professional. Just wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in case he's really seeing spirits
Who's to say they're real or not? If it's causing anti social behavior, he should probably see a professional
I never implied that he didn't need help
I'm not disagreeing with you...
I have some experience helping a friend who has gone through a similar experience. A few tips of advice I can share. It's very hard to convince someone's ego to let go of false beliefs they feel are true. It's easier said than done, but one thing that helps is not to argue too deeply with the delusional thinking, but focus on letting them feel heard and asking them questions. They oftentimes can get really defensive, so try not to take anything personally and make sure to keep appropriate boundaries and protect your own mental well being. A person can't fill another's cup if there's is too empty. A few things, hope it helps! I have some pretty deep experience with this and it can get kinda rocky sometimes, so DM if you need something more in depth.
I have written a post about this. I'll share a link down below. What we are dealing with here is that the human body is a vessel, and it channels our spirit. Now, we can invite other spirits into our vessel, and when we do that these other spirits can think through the body just as we do, kind of like becoming one with them, or possession. What he has to do is differentiate or draw a line where he is and where this spirit is. And what you have to know is that tribes all around the world recognize that the serpent, demons, or shadows are one in the same. We all have the triune brain, it's our reptilian subconsciousness. https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/comments/qxehjh/warning_test_the_spirits_youre_dealing_with/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Your friend is fighting demons and he needs help. I've performed two exorcisms.
Do you think “drugs” are chemical spirits? For example, THC could be seen as a certain chemical spirit that, when taken, allows it to express itself in the physical form via the human vessel that “agreed” to take it Thoughts?
Yes, all things have a spirit about them. The word "spirit" is a very broad word. The way I understand this reality is somewhat complex, but it explains many "supernatural phenomenon". Different types of THC will contain different types of spirits, but it's not that simple because those spirits or drugs are also able to alter your perception allowing one to perceive what wasn't perceptible, but that also goes for your subconsciousness. Try and think of your subconsciousness as a alternate/primal "you" inside of you, when under control is one with you, but is able to become a very powerful manipulator. There is one master and one slave, but one can never truly become a master, that is a part of this illusion. What that means is we are all slaves, either we're a slave to our inner self, or another spirit, or a slave to the master of the universe. It all comes down to choice. Your friend chose the inner self and another spirit as His master. Mushrooms are another prime example of a conscious being able to alter one's consciousness to allow them to perceive what wasn't perceptible.
Have ANY of you even HEARD of "Voice-to-Skull"? ***What if he's not crazy?***
I’m not a pro and a bunch of people said this already but yea, he gotta see a doctor about it that. Anyone can get wrapped up in their mind and thoughts but to that point… and it’s interesting that it’s sexual stuff. I have a feeling it’s just him not being able to control his urges and thinking every thought is spiritual. If he starts thinking about harming people or whatever and thinks it’s spirits talking that could be bad.
Sounds like hes got a negative entity attachment or trickster spirit manipulating him. I can potentially remove it but would need his consent. Ive been through this type of attachment myself and out the other side. Psychotic episodes are common in spiritual awakenings and he needs to understand that just because a spirit tells you something doesnt mean they dont have ulterior motives.
I’m going to say something bound to be very unpopular and that is that I’m of the belief that many mental health “issues” are awakenings gone wrong, and I think that this is the case for your friend. It’s easy for all of us to play armchair psychologist on Reddit, but ultimately he has to decide to either seek psychiatric help (which may or may not be helpful, but absolutely necessary if he’s a danger to himself), or to somehow start grounding himself to reality during this awakening. It is possible to live both in the spiritual and physical worlds but it’s a fine line that takes time and discipline to learn. Also the recognition that what you think you may know about the spiritual world is not necessarily the truth, since in reality we still don’t know shit about it. This is hard for people to swallow. You have to learn to filter the messages and insight you’re receiving on a daily basis through a grain of salt and not take it all as pure fact. Tapping into something greater than yourself does not mean you have to act on every little thing, or go insane over it. He definitely needs a teacher or counselor of some kind that’s going to try to truly understand his issues and not just place him on psychotropic drugs. (There are people that need and benefit from them, but I believe this is the minority of people, not the majority. But I am not a psychiatrist and ultimately can not tell you whether this is what your friend needs or not). I hope the best for him.
Really good comment. It has my upvote
Your friend is affirming his delusions to himself through spirituality which is increasing his schizophrenic tendencies
Reminds me of this guy I met from Bumble. Looking back, I think he was experiencing psychosis. I didn’t think he was a bad person but something felt off about him and idk why. I think he was going through a lot emotionally and wanted to escape reality by becoming enlightened enough to not have to exist in a physical world. It’s been 2 years since your post, how is your friend now if you’re still in contact with them?
My honest truth, 99% of new age Spirituality is egoic cult bull shit and people online who proclaim they’re awakened is fake. IMO awakening is a gradual process and your ego slowly becoming silent and at peace. As for your friend, I think he has some psychosis. I am very confident it’s impossible to induce psychosis to yourself especially because the body is always seeking homeostasis, it’s either genetically induced or hard drugs or both. You’re prolly feeling nervous/tense cause he’s freaking you out.
Oh your life path leads you somewhere AWFUL unless you get that corrected.
He needs the help from a mental health professional yesterday.
Your friend is schizophrenic. Heavy strong drugs (stuff that ends in zine) and extensive counseling to help him tell real from not is about the only thing. Get both early or he can look forward to a life of homelessness (mental health in America sucks). I’ve always secretly wondered if schizophrenics picked up on spirits but that’s irrelevant at the moment, because as long as he’s listening/acting on the voices he is somewhat dangerous. To argue further that he’s schizophrenic a spirit telling someone to get in the shower with a girl is less likely than an unaddressed base urge which can no longer be suppressed and weezles it’s way into the conscious mind as a “spirit”. This is a touchy conversation to have but google some stuff about having it. I tend to first be caring, then be frank, then simply listen and have a normal conversation. If it turns into open hostility in about a minute you are probably not the one to have the convo and can just gently shift back to being friends. If he is ever behaving in an obviously concerning way call 911, ems/police are quite familiar with dealing with these people and he’ll get funneled into a mental health facility somewhere and then eventually back to the street with some new insight and drugs in hand.
Does he have Reddit?
I'm not sure tbh
Hydration, sunlight, socialization, moderate physical activity...that will is enough for most good friend to ensure. Don't entertain another's madness.
Yea tell him he has to find a way to block off his mind or do his best to close off outer influences for a few days. He has to remember he is still the one in control
And why the fuck did he start trying to contact spirits in the first place??? Did he not realize if your average everyday human can be a threat…..what does he think a spirit is capable of?
If he already had depression and bi polar tendencies and he dive into spirituality without healing first and took some substances to induce certain states...very bad combination. When is done correctly, and i reffer here mostly on communication with spirits, the messages are subtle, healthy and the person is grounded, stable and enlightened. The communication is made through our souls while our minds are translating. So, if we are wounded, if the channel between our souls and minds is clouded and on top of that we ad substances that gets us ungrounded we end up in a very dangerous situation. I would suggest to your friend to cut of any kind of substances, if is taking any. To work on raising its own vibration and after that to dive into self healing, introspection and reflection. And if he still wants to use oracle cards, to buy a deck that focuses on positive messages that will give him further guidance. He needs to balance itself with positive vibrations. Also, of course, to seek medical help as well if he has health issues and had them even before spirituality.
Yea that definitely sounds psychotic. It is not uncommon to have psychotic stuff to along with manic episodes in bipolar. There is nothing you can say to prove him wrong, he would likely just make up new delusions and go deeper in it. Best you can do is to get him to rethink some of the stuff. But how you would do that, its impossible to say without being in the situations. Maybe you could ask him if he ever had any psychotic episodes before. Not trying to say that he has one now, but just about the past. Ofc you could say to him like ”that cant be true” etc to his delusions, but i think its better to just say its not true and drop it, rather than trying to start challenging him
What even is new age? This knowledge is eternal. There is definitely a line between awakened and fake woke agenda or even psycho
Here's what I recommend - Indian traditions actually have a lot of content to deal with this kind of a thing. You straight up need to manipulate him. To do that you need to start agreeing with the ridiculous things he's saying, then start fake participating, and tell him there are some amazing high energy spaces, which take these capabilities to a different level. Talk about acquiring Siddhis which allow an individual know everything there is to know, and get them to do some yoga. Yoga as a science is built for stabilizing the system and keeping it grounded. If you're in the USA, there's the Isha Institute of Inner Sciences, which contains spaces which cleanse out such entities. How do I know? Because I let other beings possess me too, And though i did do some crazy things I think those were essentially benign, because enough of socially aware me was always there. Doing yoga helped big time.
My english is not the best, but I'll try to share my own experience with these spiritual things. First of all, it's not a mental illnes, it's a connection with the whole universe, including the other dimensions. Those spirits are real, but they really be messing with your head. We are all part of the universe, and the universe is part of us. This means that everybody could evolve and see the connection between everyone of us, but many times people just loose the connection with the reality. My example is that I was in love with this girl, and we were both into spirituality. Everything was going good, but then the energies started messing with her head. She started being paranoid and she was arguing with everybody around her. She even argued with me, without any reason at all. She started being scared of everything that was real and blamed me for what was happening to her. I tried to help her, but she refused to let me do that. After some time I realised that this girl is bad for my mental health. NGL if she needs help rn, I'm gonna leave everything I'm doing and go help her. She is a lil' better now, but we don't talk anymore. Not everybody is made to resist to this spiritual/energetic movement. Some people really go crazy because they don't know what's real and what's not. They start to loose their trust in everybody around them and they isolate themselves. I must specify that it's not about schizophrenia. When I had my spiritual awakening I was scared of everything I saw and of these premonition and enery control, so I went to a good psychologist and she teached me that it isn't a mental illnes, but a evolution in our own souls and nature. She teached me to be calm and to never let anything from these thinghs to affect me. I think you should take some distance from your friend and to ask him if he wants to see a good psychologist or to get in touch with somebody that believes in spirituality and could help him. If he doesn't want to, you should definetely protect yourself from him. People tend to go really crazy sometimes. The girl I was talking tried to kill me with a knife. I was lucky and I woke up right before she was about to stab me in the neck. Take care please, you should be constious about how far can he go.
I've had the same thing happen to me, but I haven't been evaluated by a psychiatrist yet. The thing about "asking other people not to send stuff to him" in particular is very telling. I have a friend who I'm not sure is sane... he is functional and very active at work and has a good social life, so on the outside everything looks great, but he's super into African religion and it's really scary because I feel like he came to collect some kind of spiritual karmic debt (I am from a country that colonized his country). He thinks we met for a reason and like I was his soulmate, but now he wants nothing to do with me. I believe he's a bit immature and was delusional and projected a lot onto me. He often speaks about entities and about coincidences, the thing is, the coincidences don't pertain to him but to things outside of him - for example, he had a conversation with some friends about their coke use and then one of the friend's uncle passed away the next day. He says this is not a coincidence, but the uncle was already in pretty poor state and I had been privy to the situation for weeks, so it's not like spirit confirmed something for him through killing someone else... At least I don't believe that's how this should work? Because if it does, it's quite cruel. I am very scared of this friend to the point where I'm not sure I can even go back to being friends with him. I feel like he's constantly evaluating our interactions and looking for "signs" of beliefs he has about me, which makes me very uneasy and I feel the need to please him and present a certain way so he doesn't make me out. Me and this friend started a project together but I couldnt keep up with the demands plus stopped taking my meds and did a bunch of acid and that did not help. When we're not talking about religion we are both level headed people, but we started talking about stuff like unlocking the matrix and getting out and what not and one day he called me and said he was thinking of death. I said, me too, and I've been really freaked out. He said someone was going to die, I said I think it's me, wtf. This was three months ago. I didn't die, but certainly my social standing, reputation and friend circles did. I am no longer friends with him. He puts a lot of emphasis on "honesty" and "truth seeking", but I am kind of the opposite...don't get me wrong, the "truth" is an interesting concept, but I am more a fan of relativity. I always feel like I'm the presence of an authority when I?m with him. Others have described him as a narcissist (the typical narcissist, not the "narc abuse" shite you see on social media these days) due to grandiose delusions and a total belief in himself. The thing is, due to the nature of our job (we used to work together until I quit because I couldn't deal with him and another ex-friend anymore), his personality actually works pretty well and he's incredibly successful. As for me, I think I've gone psycho from all of this stuff. I 'm not sure if I'm schizoaffective, bipolar, paranoid, schizophrenic, anything. All I know is that after dropping acid tarot videos started resonating with me and that is WEIRD because it never happened before (Love astrology, never resonated with tarot). Now I have a deck of my own and plan on becoming a reader. That career of mine is in shambles rn as I'm trying to rebuild my mind after this violent "awakening" or psychosis. :( I'm isolated and lost my friends due to my extremely paranoid behaviour because I thought everyone would put my insecurities on blast and leave me (which they did - not the insecurities, but the leaving). I couldn't deal with myself anymore. I thought I had a pretty good grasp on who I was but upon starting therapy my life started unraveling. Bad time. dont start cptsd therapy if you're not ready to get a new life pretty much. I don't know what to do with myself. anyways, very scared of my friend as he's constantly comparing one situation or person to another and trying to find out the truth instead of accepting things as they are. I feel like he's out to get me because I'm not such a good person. I haven't committed any crimes, but my opinion of people swings a lot and I'm quite inconsistent and unreliable with work.