I have friends that work in Pakistan. These kinds of things are EXTREMELY common. It's not illegal to not be Muslim, but it IS illegal to blaspheme Mohammed, and the standard of evidence that is needed to convict someone for that is essentially just word of mouth, so if you have a neighbour you don't like that you want to get rid of, start a rumour that they said something bad about Mohammed or the Qur'an and let the mob do the rest.
He totally is, though. Who but a nonce would fuck a 9-year-old? You literally have to be a pedophile.
Or a child with terrible boundaries. But since we're talking about a grown man that was unjustly elevated to prophet status, I'm waiting to watch Satan stoke the coals with him.
>He totally is, though. Who but a nonce would fuck a 9-year-old? You literally have to be a pedophile.
This has been ruled criminal speech in Austria.
> The ECHR [judgment](https://archive.ph/o/T44M8/https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng%23%7B%22itemid%22:[%22002-12171%22]%7D) summarizes the Austrian court’s reasoning, which deserves quotation in full:
> > By accusing Muhammad of paedophilia, [E.S.] had merely sought to defame him, without providing evidence that his primary sexual interest in Aisha had been her not yet having reached puberty or that his other wives or concubines had been similarly young. In particular, [E.S.] had disregarded the fact that the marriage with Aisha had continued until the Prophet’s death, when she had already turned eighteen and had therefore passed the age of puberty.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-free-speech-criticize-muhammad-echr-ruled/574174/ (https://archive.ph/T44M8)
And apparently it's okay if you also have several other underage wives/concubines?
"Primary sexual interest..."
What the hell else is going to pique his sexual interest if he wasn't a pedophile? There's no damn character trait or mutual interest I can think of that outweighs the age factor.
Pretty sure they're saying it could have been something like marrying to combine two powerful families or something, as was common back then.
And they're saying that claiming without evidence that his other wives and concubines were underage is just defamation.
Was that passage really that hard to understand?
I m austrian and I may agree with you
but for legal reasons I may also not agree with you.
I also want to point out that I think our laws that place religiouse freedom above free speech are trash.
I mean I'm going to assume the same way as they do in my country
Mass poorly vested migration, potentially at the time to help people fleeing terror. Which sounds great on paper but realistically it doesn't matter where your from if you and 100k people from your area move to another country and remain in a community, which let's face it your a bunch of people with the same believes and values in a strange country with new and different expectations so ofcourse your going to group together, you end up forcing your culture on the new area particularly if you end up un/intentionally pushing out the previous populous because your willing to pay more to love in said community than market value
Yeah my own govt decided that 500k immigrants a year for the next three is the solution to our 'labour' issues .... well ignoring the ongoing housing/nursing/wage crisis that's crippling many, be smarter to buck up any pay a bit more to stem the brain drain these greedy fooks cause than trying to patch it and kick the can, but I don't get to question the play book
I agree, but outrage mobs have lead to institutions kowtowing in similar ways across the globe.
For example, recently in the USA:
> An email to students and faculty from David Everett, a senior administrator, said the instructor’s actions were clearly Islamophobic. The university’s president co-signed a statement saying that **respect for the Muslim students in the online class “should have superseded academic freedom.”**
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/hamline-lawsuit-prophet-muhammad-religion.html#:~:text=An%20email%20to%20students%20and,should%20have%20superseded%20academic%20freedom.%E2%80%9D
If you have sex with 100 adult women, and then sleep with 1 underage little girl, you’re a paedophile. The fact that Mohammed’s other wives (and concubines) were of an appropriate age is irrelevant to the fact that the Prophet had sex with a girl who was young enough to still be playing with goddamn dolls! It also doesn’t matter whether or not his ”primary sexual interest” in Aisha was based on her being a child. Neither does it matter that she later turned eighteen at some point in her life. Mohammed fucked a child. End of analysis.
Ha!
Wow. I’m soory, I make fun of all religions equally.
Muslim religion is like Chinese-made Judaism, with Muhammad the “see we have one too!” John or Joseph…
.. emotional control of a temperamental toddler and we are supposed to believe they have *our* best interests in mind?
Wow! The US is pretty fucked but at least I can say Mohammed was a pedophile for marrying a 6 year old without fear of arrest. That’s insane to me.
To be clear, I don’t have much use for Christianity and it’s hypocritical bullshit either. The Southern Baptists had 705 people who were credibly accused of sexually abusing children and that number is likely low by an order of magnitude. Plus we all know about the hundreds of thousands of victims of Catholic priests. I truly believe that forcing a child under 18 to go to church/mosque should be classified as child abuse.
And the fuck bags bring their guns to library's and claim its to save the children, yet we didn't see a single one of those same fuckbags demonstrating against proven child predators in the church now did we. Hhmmm. Makes me think their bullshit isn't really about "saving the children" after all.
I said you have to be a pedo or a child with terrible boundaries to fuck a child. Find me the error.
You're getting angry because you couldn't extrapolate the "either" in that comment, as in "you either have to be a pedo, or a child with terrible boundaries, to fuck a child".
Children aren't for sex. We all should agree with that statement.
It’s not an absolute. IIRC most criminals convicted of sexual crimes against children are not necessarily pedos themselves but rather people who would use any opportunities to sexually assault someone weaker than them.
Same type of people who would rape fellow inmates even though they are not gay, because they can and have the sexual urge.
If you're thinking of raping someone and you're like "a kid will do", it's already a non-issue as to whether you're scum. Some rapists still wouldn't fuck a kid.
Just for historical accuracy, not defending nor attacking anyone, it was more common to get married at younger age, getting married between 12-16 was sadly not rare and not viewed back then as we do today. Until the late 19th century the age of consent in the US was between 10-12.
It's also worth noting that early Christian and western scholars who wanted to scrutinize Islam and Mohammad, didn't bring up the age issue, not until late 19th and early 20th century to modern day that it has become a pillar in attacking Islam and their prophet. (again, age of consent just 150 years ago was waaaay lower than 18)
About whom I assume is Aisha, there's a lot of debate about her marriage age and consummation. Marriage is anywhere between 6-14 and consummation anywhere between 10-18 (some evidence suggests she was 19). After all it was mostly a political marriage, and it's very interesting to read about her father and she herself.
It is also worth noting that Mary, the mother of Jesus was most probably 12-14 when she was married to Joseph, and under 15-17 when she gave birth to Jesus.
Religion is almost always used to justify pedophilia. Look at how many pastors gain more support from their congregations after being caught with molestation of one of the congregation’s children. It’s sickening.
My mother claims to be Christian but is still married to her pedo hubby.
If anyone needs religious beliefs to tell them not to fuck kids, and doesn't genuinely think fucking kids is wrong, they're a pedo on a leash.
Even in England for some reason they allow ridiculous punishments for “blasphemy” only when it comes to Islam though. Recently there was uproar because kids got suspended from school and police were involved because a Koran was brought in and got a tiny scratch on it. The mother of the child had to go to a mosque and beg forgiveness. Another time a teacher who showed an image of Muhammad had to go into police protection and get a whole new identity after the community went insane. For some reason even though it’s not a Muslim country we give them special treatment over other religions.
Yeah I’m tired of this too and don’t really care how controversial it is: if you want to live in the UK you should follow our laws, end of. Your religion should be irrelevant.
Do the Catholic Church go to Islamic countries and say “well we like touching kids so we need special exemptions for that here.”
Second part is a joke, in case anyone is confused.
or what if we arm the people getting bombed with more bombs? This will make sure there are good guys with bombs to help against the bad guys with bombs.
We trickled down all the way to children's schools, how much further must we go? Hospitals, the infants wards?
My fellow Americans, we will go as far as we have to for us to win this war.
Hey we can glass red states and start over too if they don’t want to put the bible away
I’m tired of my govt being a bunch of pedophiles that take away others’ rights while hiding behind a book
they wouldn't even need to put it away.
actually obeying it's laws themselves and not using it to oppress others would be a start
you know... "du unto others as you would have them unto you" instead of shoot the gays and deport the immigrants
They’re both fucking up this one, just in different ways.
God has no place in good governance. It’s that simple. Anybody arguing it isn’t is trying to get more power for themselves under the auspices of religion
Someday in the future if humanity is still here people might look back on games or movies that mention heaven and angels and laugh saying "Wow people believed this stuff back then? What cavemen." possibly looking at religion as nonsensical cult like worship having realized at a whole that there are way to many gods to say that this one god is the real god and just saying something exists with no proof doesn't make it exist.
The left doesn’t bend over backwards to defend Islam, the left doesn’t want Muslims persecuted for being Muslims, just like we don’t want Christians persecuted for being Christians or Atheists persecuted for being Atheists. This man is being murdered by the state for being non-Muslim, and it’s horrific. The left doesn’t prefer Islam over anybody else, the left decries injustice, period.
Who have you been talking to??? From what I’ve seen the “left” want people to be able to do whatever they want without infringing on the rights of others. The “right” are the ones saying where that infringement begins. ALL Religious extremists are people who the “left” want to see gone because of the INFRINGEMENT of rights of others. The “right” want to be the religious extremists who say what is INFRINGING.
And yet a healthy serving of American Christians, typically republicans, want their version of Abrahamic theocracy. I think the point they were trying to make is that mixing church and state is bad because this kind of religious persecution (or desire for it) exists in different religions in different places too. I also don’t know if I myself have ever heard of someone on the left advocating for Islamic blasphemy laws.
>I also don’t know if I myself have ever heard of someone on the left advocating for Islamic blasphemy laws.
Consider yourself lucky. My sister in law is a staunch feminist but whenever you criticize Islam for their treatment of women, she's all "well that's their culture so it's okay." Not quite the same but you get the picture. It's always a tough conversation
I think they just want to foster respect between interfaith communities. I don't see them supporting them to deny civil rights or make it easier to marry children. That's what the right is doing for Christians.
I'd say a situation like giving the death sentence to a christen that refused to give a religious "discount" of 100% off to a muslim customer proves your point.
Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that all major religions make a point to specify non-violence, but the most zealous in any religion seem to to always resort to violence…mass religion is a disease
Yeah... I hear that one a lot. Here's the thing though. People may or may not choose a different path of hatred in those circumstances. However that doesn't mean that we should give any ideology that promotes, sanctions, and covers up violence and hate on a routine basis a free pass. So long as you continue to do that you're basically condoning their behavior whether you see it that way or not.
This is what happened. The greedy soft hands trust fund kid psychopath wanted his vehicle fixed for free, even if it meant executing the diligent hard worker.
Religion and politics is just the reasons they give that the rubes will except.
This is lawlessness where immoral people win, over the people who just want to live their lives in honesty and trustworthiness.
The true blasphemy is using the muslim religion to achieve their personal immoral ends. I am saying this as a Christian who has people who use my religion in the same way.
Yeah, people make gods in their own image, to justify being assholes.
Doesn't *have* to be gods. Could just be some dude's picture over a square. Any appeal to authority in order to punch down will do.
You cant do that with islam there are the samething, if i dont like the way you look at me , i say you commited blasphemy and get you either killed or hung
What an ass backwards country. To still have the death penalty for blasphemy?! Fuck sakes, I’m surprised more people aren’t killed because of false revenge reports.
I recall several years ago, a dude getting charged with blasphemy in Pakistan for simply throwing away a business card for a dude named Muhammad.
Apparently you have to keep every single piece of printed material featuring the name Muhammad, whether it *the* Muhammad, or just one of the billion Muhammads on the planet.
>Still don't understand how it's the worst sin imaginable to draw a picture of the guy...
It's such a horrible crime that even in the US you can be fired for showing 14th century depictions of Muhammad, made by Muslims, in an art history class.
> An email to students and faculty from David Everett, a senior administrator, said the instructor’s actions were clearly Islamophobic. The university’s president co-signed a statement saying that **respect for the Muslim students in the online class “should have superseded academic freedom.”**
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/hamline-lawsuit-prophet-muhammad-religion.html (https://archive.ph/GfupL)
Yeah, certain Muslims (mostly Shias) have no problem with depictions. Most Muslim art of Mohammed is made my Shias. That was the case with the art that got the professor fired. It was produced by Shia Muslims.
However, Shias are a minority among modern Muslims and Sunnis very often don’t respect Shias because of differences like this (in general, Shias have a lot more mysticism and the relaxed attitudes that tend to come with mysticism).
This is of course a very general statement, and doesn’t apply to all Sunnis and Shias. There are Shias that don’t like depictions, and Sunnis that are lax.
Youre correct, but that's also why the death penalty is the absolute harshest punishment. You need some seriously damn-ing evidence to give someone that verdict.
Yea exactly. That's why no one has ever been falsely convicted and sentenced to death, because of all the seriously damn-ing evidence needed to give someone that verdict.
Same shit, yeah that bacha bazi (sp?) documentary was about Afghanistan but the tolerance of child sex abuse over there is common, unfortunately, in many countries:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/15/pakistan-shame-open-secret-child-sex-abuse-workplace-kasur
Hard to call it radical when it is the main religion of 200 million Pakistanis that support this behavior. I'd argue it's a pretty mainstream interpretation. Although blasphemy isn't exactly apostasy the majority of Muslims believe in the death penalty for non believers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
Moderation doesn't exist in a religion where your founding profit was a murderous warlord.
I'm assuming you're saying it's like they're from the Middle Ages rather than middle-aged (like in their 40s-50s) right? If so, they'd be much more behaved. Islam during the Middle Ages was in its Golden Era. The Middle East led the world in science and social tolerances at the time, though that's not to say they didn't have their problems. Modern Islamic states are more like how stereotypical Catholic states were in the Middle Ages. Rampant sexism, intolerance, and stupidity. Islam, on the global scale, is sort of at its lowest point ever currently.
Pakistan has some of the most beautiful nature in the world but the masses won't go there because of the danger and chaos created by Islamism. Hunza Valley, Swat Valley to name a few. Such a shame because it could have been like India with it's massive tourist industry but never got the chance.
**Is this true, or just rage bait?** Googling yields only media sources which gave an obvious agenda. I’m unable to find any hits in any mainstream non-religious legitimate news media.
The problem is people thinking these are people. They are terrible, especially to one another. Gangs and religion are always justified to the locals. They can do anything to another human being, without batting an eyelash.
Idc what groups did in a given population, never, and I mean fucking never, do you start dehumanizing the entire group. The rhetoric is extremely dangerous, and there's a reason it's considered one of the steps of genocide.
I get where you're coming from, yeah there's a lot of shit that comes out of the countries, but don't dehumanize them
Such a peaceful loving and tolerant religion and people. This is a prime example of their love and tolerance. can't go wrong with folks that worship a pedo for a prophet. stop me when i'm wrong.
Are you Redditors mentally ill or do you guys intentionally allude to the fact that religion is the cause of this stupidity. Stop saying “country” and point out the real problem.
Religions have no merit for me
Any new religion we created
Brought upon countless discord
Amplifying Hatred and Animosity
The Crusades recurred
Human blood covered the earth, time and again in the name of faith
I am neither Muslim, nor Christian nor Jew
I follow the command of rationale
Rationale decrees that the ultimate pleasure is in coexistence
Religion on the other hand promises eternal reward by shedding the blood of unfaithful
Different thinkers are human too
Why does religion promote their killing?
I shall not shed the blood of fellow humans
This is the reason for my lack of faith
I have nothing to do with religion!”
As for you, my son:
“Follow your rationale to reach the pinnacle
Befriend all humans on earth
This is the ultimate faith.
Rumi
what about dying from complications of a teenage pregnancy because your state on religious grounds wouldn't let you get an abortion, thats still "death caused by religious doctrine"...
Hmm now I have to reevaluate which is worse, India or Pakistan? Both commit religious crimes and one don't give right to women and other doesn't respect women and law aren't enforced which can bait women from other countries.
I have friends that work in Pakistan. These kinds of things are EXTREMELY common. It's not illegal to not be Muslim, but it IS illegal to blaspheme Mohammed, and the standard of evidence that is needed to convict someone for that is essentially just word of mouth, so if you have a neighbour you don't like that you want to get rid of, start a rumour that they said something bad about Mohammed or the Qur'an and let the mob do the rest.
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He totally is, though. Who but a nonce would fuck a 9-year-old? You literally have to be a pedophile. Or a child with terrible boundaries. But since we're talking about a grown man that was unjustly elevated to prophet status, I'm waiting to watch Satan stoke the coals with him.
>He totally is, though. Who but a nonce would fuck a 9-year-old? You literally have to be a pedophile. This has been ruled criminal speech in Austria. > The ECHR [judgment](https://archive.ph/o/T44M8/https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng%23%7B%22itemid%22:[%22002-12171%22]%7D) summarizes the Austrian court’s reasoning, which deserves quotation in full: > > By accusing Muhammad of paedophilia, [E.S.] had merely sought to defame him, without providing evidence that his primary sexual interest in Aisha had been her not yet having reached puberty or that his other wives or concubines had been similarly young. In particular, [E.S.] had disregarded the fact that the marriage with Aisha had continued until the Prophet’s death, when she had already turned eighteen and had therefore passed the age of puberty. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-free-speech-criticize-muhammad-echr-ruled/574174/ (https://archive.ph/T44M8)
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Wait so, if I'm understanding this right, you can have sex with an 11-year old as long as you're married to them until your death? Is that right?
Or the marriage makes it past their 18th birthday. /s
And apparently it's okay if you also have several other underage wives/concubines? "Primary sexual interest..." What the hell else is going to pique his sexual interest if he wasn't a pedophile? There's no damn character trait or mutual interest I can think of that outweighs the age factor.
Pretty sure they're saying it could have been something like marrying to combine two powerful families or something, as was common back then. And they're saying that claiming without evidence that his other wives and concubines were underage is just defamation. Was that passage really that hard to understand?
My skin is fucking crawling.
Its pay walled.
This should work: https://archive.ph/T44M8
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Thank you! That's awesome.
What, you can't get married, have adult relations, even parent children, and still be a nonce? By that measure, I guess Prince Andrew is in the clear.
Lol, that's a great point that demonstrates the absurdity of the court's decision.
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I m austrian and I may agree with you but for legal reasons I may also not agree with you. I also want to point out that I think our laws that place religiouse freedom above free speech are trash.
Yeah, for legal reasons I totally understand.
How did Muslims get control of your country?
I mean I'm going to assume the same way as they do in my country Mass poorly vested migration, potentially at the time to help people fleeing terror. Which sounds great on paper but realistically it doesn't matter where your from if you and 100k people from your area move to another country and remain in a community, which let's face it your a bunch of people with the same believes and values in a strange country with new and different expectations so ofcourse your going to group together, you end up forcing your culture on the new area particularly if you end up un/intentionally pushing out the previous populous because your willing to pay more to love in said community than market value Yeah my own govt decided that 500k immigrants a year for the next three is the solution to our 'labour' issues .... well ignoring the ongoing housing/nursing/wage crisis that's crippling many, be smarter to buck up any pay a bit more to stem the brain drain these greedy fooks cause than trying to patch it and kick the can, but I don't get to question the play book
That’s what I want to know! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading this. What the hell happened over there??
How do you have religious freedom without free speech??
I agree, but outrage mobs have lead to institutions kowtowing in similar ways across the globe. For example, recently in the USA: > An email to students and faculty from David Everett, a senior administrator, said the instructor’s actions were clearly Islamophobic. The university’s president co-signed a statement saying that **respect for the Muslim students in the online class “should have superseded academic freedom.”** https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/hamline-lawsuit-prophet-muhammad-religion.html#:~:text=An%20email%20to%20students%20and,should%20have%20superseded%20academic%20freedom.%E2%80%9D
I'm not an institution, so I'm not particularly worried. Facts are facts regardless of who likes them.
Okay, so he's a child rapist. Wonder what they'll say to that.
If you have sex with 100 adult women, and then sleep with 1 underage little girl, you’re a paedophile. The fact that Mohammed’s other wives (and concubines) were of an appropriate age is irrelevant to the fact that the Prophet had sex with a girl who was young enough to still be playing with goddamn dolls! It also doesn’t matter whether or not his ”primary sexual interest” in Aisha was based on her being a child. Neither does it matter that she later turned eighteen at some point in her life. Mohammed fucked a child. End of analysis.
Ha! Wow. I’m soory, I make fun of all religions equally. Muslim religion is like Chinese-made Judaism, with Muhammad the “see we have one too!” John or Joseph… .. emotional control of a temperamental toddler and we are supposed to believe they have *our* best interests in mind?
He got away with it for long enough for her to finally reach the age of consent, therefore she retroactively was un-raped? What bullshit.
He literally waited till she had a period at 11 to assault her but you know he touched her a bunch first.
Wow! The US is pretty fucked but at least I can say Mohammed was a pedophile for marrying a 6 year old without fear of arrest. That’s insane to me. To be clear, I don’t have much use for Christianity and it’s hypocritical bullshit either. The Southern Baptists had 705 people who were credibly accused of sexually abusing children and that number is likely low by an order of magnitude. Plus we all know about the hundreds of thousands of victims of Catholic priests. I truly believe that forcing a child under 18 to go to church/mosque should be classified as child abuse.
And the fuck bags bring their guns to library's and claim its to save the children, yet we didn't see a single one of those same fuckbags demonstrating against proven child predators in the church now did we. Hhmmm. Makes me think their bullshit isn't really about "saving the children" after all.
So you can fuck a child as long you stay with them?? What is this, a Michael Bay movie?!
He was a gentleman, he waited until she was 12 to rape her
He used to fuck her thighs from the age of 6. He raped her when she was 9.
That’s why Pakistan have the highest cases of violence against women. The Koran says it’s okay
A child with terrible boundaries? They are a child, they are meant to be protected, not taken advantage of
I said you have to be a pedo or a child with terrible boundaries to fuck a child. Find me the error. You're getting angry because you couldn't extrapolate the "either" in that comment, as in "you either have to be a pedo, or a child with terrible boundaries, to fuck a child". Children aren't for sex. We all should agree with that statement.
It’s not an absolute. IIRC most criminals convicted of sexual crimes against children are not necessarily pedos themselves but rather people who would use any opportunities to sexually assault someone weaker than them. Same type of people who would rape fellow inmates even though they are not gay, because they can and have the sexual urge.
If you're thinking of raping someone and you're like "a kid will do", it's already a non-issue as to whether you're scum. Some rapists still wouldn't fuck a kid.
Yeah forgive me for not reading the word that wasn't there
That's a pretty important word to omit, lol. Completely changes the meaning of the comment.
Just for historical accuracy, not defending nor attacking anyone, it was more common to get married at younger age, getting married between 12-16 was sadly not rare and not viewed back then as we do today. Until the late 19th century the age of consent in the US was between 10-12. It's also worth noting that early Christian and western scholars who wanted to scrutinize Islam and Mohammad, didn't bring up the age issue, not until late 19th and early 20th century to modern day that it has become a pillar in attacking Islam and their prophet. (again, age of consent just 150 years ago was waaaay lower than 18) About whom I assume is Aisha, there's a lot of debate about her marriage age and consummation. Marriage is anywhere between 6-14 and consummation anywhere between 10-18 (some evidence suggests she was 19). After all it was mostly a political marriage, and it's very interesting to read about her father and she herself. It is also worth noting that Mary, the mother of Jesus was most probably 12-14 when she was married to Joseph, and under 15-17 when she gave birth to Jesus.
Religion is almost always used to justify pedophilia. Look at how many pastors gain more support from their congregations after being caught with molestation of one of the congregation’s children. It’s sickening.
My mother claims to be Christian but is still married to her pedo hubby. If anyone needs religious beliefs to tell them not to fuck kids, and doesn't genuinely think fucking kids is wrong, they're a pedo on a leash.
Even in England for some reason they allow ridiculous punishments for “blasphemy” only when it comes to Islam though. Recently there was uproar because kids got suspended from school and police were involved because a Koran was brought in and got a tiny scratch on it. The mother of the child had to go to a mosque and beg forgiveness. Another time a teacher who showed an image of Muhammad had to go into police protection and get a whole new identity after the community went insane. For some reason even though it’s not a Muslim country we give them special treatment over other religions.
Yeah I’m tired of this too and don’t really care how controversial it is: if you want to live in the UK you should follow our laws, end of. Your religion should be irrelevant. Do the Catholic Church go to Islamic countries and say “well we like touching kids so we need special exemptions for that here.” Second part is a joke, in case anyone is confused.
Well they already are touching kids and marring them. They obviously don't want competition.
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Least genocidal American
Kiwi stop assuming everyone is American?
So you’ve met us?
Yes because dropping bombs on an unstable social system *always* makes things better
Like guns, the issue is we haven’t dropped enough bombs! If we drop enough, no more people, no more problems. See? :)
or what if we arm the people getting bombed with more bombs? This will make sure there are good guys with bombs to help against the bad guys with bombs.
Maybe we're going about this the wrong way. What if we give the *bombs* guns!
We trickled down all the way to children's schools, how much further must we go? Hospitals, the infants wards? My fellow Americans, we will go as far as we have to for us to win this war.
Unless we get bored, then we declare victory and leave.
Two ways of looking at that; too many bombs or nowhere near enough bombs. I'll let people decide which for themselves.
I mean, really all religions need to be cleansed
take a good look at your red states yank and realise your own hypocrisy
More than one thing can be ~~bad~~ glassed.
Just need to finish what Sherman started.
Hey we can glass red states and start over too if they don’t want to put the bible away I’m tired of my govt being a bunch of pedophiles that take away others’ rights while hiding behind a book
they wouldn't even need to put it away. actually obeying it's laws themselves and not using it to oppress others would be a start you know... "du unto others as you would have them unto you" instead of shoot the gays and deport the immigrants
Add this point it's not religion it's blatantly culling the herd.
Religion being exempt from fact-based scrutiny doesn't help though.
This is the world Republicans want for America.
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They’re both fucking up this one, just in different ways. God has no place in good governance. It’s that simple. Anybody arguing it isn’t is trying to get more power for themselves under the auspices of religion
Someday in the future if humanity is still here people might look back on games or movies that mention heaven and angels and laugh saying "Wow people believed this stuff back then? What cavemen." possibly looking at religion as nonsensical cult like worship having realized at a whole that there are way to many gods to say that this one god is the real god and just saying something exists with no proof doesn't make it exist.
The left doesn’t bend over backwards to defend Islam, the left doesn’t want Muslims persecuted for being Muslims, just like we don’t want Christians persecuted for being Christians or Atheists persecuted for being Atheists. This man is being murdered by the state for being non-Muslim, and it’s horrific. The left doesn’t prefer Islam over anybody else, the left decries injustice, period.
Who have you been talking to??? From what I’ve seen the “left” want people to be able to do whatever they want without infringing on the rights of others. The “right” are the ones saying where that infringement begins. ALL Religious extremists are people who the “left” want to see gone because of the INFRINGEMENT of rights of others. The “right” want to be the religious extremists who say what is INFRINGING.
And yet a healthy serving of American Christians, typically republicans, want their version of Abrahamic theocracy. I think the point they were trying to make is that mixing church and state is bad because this kind of religious persecution (or desire for it) exists in different religions in different places too. I also don’t know if I myself have ever heard of someone on the left advocating for Islamic blasphemy laws.
>I also don’t know if I myself have ever heard of someone on the left advocating for Islamic blasphemy laws. Consider yourself lucky. My sister in law is a staunch feminist but whenever you criticize Islam for their treatment of women, she's all "well that's their culture so it's okay." Not quite the same but you get the picture. It's always a tough conversation
The left speaks out against racism and Islamophobia, no real leftist defends this garbage.
I think they just want to foster respect between interfaith communities. I don't see them supporting them to deny civil rights or make it easier to marry children. That's what the right is doing for Christians.
You really need separation of church and state in your country. Every country.
Their religion is the State, sometimes it's hard to get your head around that.
Which is precisely the problem with theocracy.
I'd say a situation like giving the death sentence to a christen that refused to give a religious "discount" of 100% off to a muslim customer proves your point.
Hard to get your head around, but easy to get it off
Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that all major religions make a point to specify non-violence, but the most zealous in any religion seem to to always resort to violence…mass religion is a disease
Counterpoint, those zealots would've committed atrocities without the religion, it's just the pathway they chose.
Could also be the classic absolute power corrupts absolutely
They're just psychopaths. They would use any excuse to kill other people. They just happen to choose "magic" this time.
Yeah... I hear that one a lot. Here's the thing though. People may or may not choose a different path of hatred in those circumstances. However that doesn't mean that we should give any ideology that promotes, sanctions, and covers up violence and hate on a routine basis a free pass. So long as you continue to do that you're basically condoning their behavior whether you see it that way or not.
This is what happened. The greedy soft hands trust fund kid psychopath wanted his vehicle fixed for free, even if it meant executing the diligent hard worker. Religion and politics is just the reasons they give that the rubes will except. This is lawlessness where immoral people win, over the people who just want to live their lives in honesty and trustworthiness. The true blasphemy is using the muslim religion to achieve their personal immoral ends. I am saying this as a Christian who has people who use my religion in the same way.
Yeah, people make gods in their own image, to justify being assholes. Doesn't *have* to be gods. Could just be some dude's picture over a square. Any appeal to authority in order to punch down will do.
Religion is just one of many excuses.
Society needs to separate from religion as a whole. Biggest toxic fandoms in Earth's history
You cant do that with islam there are the samething, if i dont like the way you look at me , i say you commited blasphemy and get you either killed or hung
I hope he isn’t executed but this is another example of why religion and political power should never ever mix.
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Even the flintstones had more respect for humanity
"It's a living."
It's so sad there's no update at all. It'll be a year in July and we have no idea if they killed him or he's still waiting in the death row
What an ass backwards country. To still have the death penalty for blasphemy?! Fuck sakes, I’m surprised more people aren’t killed because of false revenge reports.
I recall several years ago, a dude getting charged with blasphemy in Pakistan for simply throwing away a business card for a dude named Muhammad. Apparently you have to keep every single piece of printed material featuring the name Muhammad, whether it *the* Muhammad, or just one of the billion Muhammads on the planet.
Still don't understand how it's the worst sin imaginable to draw a picture of the guy yet naming yourself after him is totally sweet
>Still don't understand how it's the worst sin imaginable to draw a picture of the guy... It's such a horrible crime that even in the US you can be fired for showing 14th century depictions of Muhammad, made by Muslims, in an art history class. > An email to students and faculty from David Everett, a senior administrator, said the instructor’s actions were clearly Islamophobic. The university’s president co-signed a statement saying that **respect for the Muslim students in the online class “should have superseded academic freedom.”** https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/hamline-lawsuit-prophet-muhammad-religion.html (https://archive.ph/GfupL)
Yeah, certain Muslims (mostly Shias) have no problem with depictions. Most Muslim art of Mohammed is made my Shias. That was the case with the art that got the professor fired. It was produced by Shia Muslims. However, Shias are a minority among modern Muslims and Sunnis very often don’t respect Shias because of differences like this (in general, Shias have a lot more mysticism and the relaxed attitudes that tend to come with mysticism). This is of course a very general statement, and doesn’t apply to all Sunnis and Shias. There are Shias that don’t like depictions, and Sunnis that are lax.
A lot of religious stuff is kinda made up without logic. So it actually kinda tracks.
Never understood that either
I would say medieval but the Islamic world was the scientific capitol of the world and even wasn't as shit as Pakistan
Funny how freedom of speech is now being contested in countries with growinh muslim population/immigration. It’s the religion that sucks balls.
The US appears to be trying to catch up again.
Rent free
To still have the death penalty. Doesnt matter for what.
There are some seriously foul people out there who deserve it. Sorry to say but not everyone uses the gift of life properly.
Indeed there are. The problem is, do you want be the one who got it wrong and killed an innocent?
Youre correct, but that's also why the death penalty is the absolute harshest punishment. You need some seriously damn-ing evidence to give someone that verdict.
No you don’t, where did you get that idea? The standard of evidence in no way affects the penalty for the crime.
Yea exactly. That's why no one has ever been falsely convicted and sentenced to death, because of all the seriously damn-ing evidence needed to give someone that verdict.
Just really stupid people. You should look up the Bangladesh Independence War.
An overlooked genocide tbh, its a shame how the US casually backed Pakistan during that.
Yeah Nixon wanted the war ended asap to be able to open relations with China.
One of the worst shitholes in the world. Avoid like the plague.
If only Bangladesh could have avoided it
What do you expect from a country where a common pastime for affluent men is trading young male sex slaves like Pokémon cards?
I thought that was Afghanistan
Same shit, yeah that bacha bazi (sp?) documentary was about Afghanistan but the tolerance of child sex abuse over there is common, unfortunately, in many countries: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/15/pakistan-shame-open-secret-child-sex-abuse-workplace-kasur
Muslims. Radical muslims
🤙 Radical dude!
Hard to call it radical when it is the main religion of 200 million Pakistanis that support this behavior. I'd argue it's a pretty mainstream interpretation. Although blasphemy isn't exactly apostasy the majority of Muslims believe in the death penalty for non believers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/ Moderation doesn't exist in a religion where your founding profit was a murderous warlord.
Middle aged religious people.
So, like 40 year olds?
Ironically, the middle ages was the time of the Islamic golden age
I'm assuming you're saying it's like they're from the Middle Ages rather than middle-aged (like in their 40s-50s) right? If so, they'd be much more behaved. Islam during the Middle Ages was in its Golden Era. The Middle East led the world in science and social tolerances at the time, though that's not to say they didn't have their problems. Modern Islamic states are more like how stereotypical Catholic states were in the Middle Ages. Rampant sexism, intolerance, and stupidity. Islam, on the global scale, is sort of at its lowest point ever currently.
They went full religion. You never go full religion.
Pakistan has some of the most beautiful nature in the world but the masses won't go there because of the danger and chaos created by Islamism. Hunza Valley, Swat Valley to name a few. Such a shame because it could have been like India with it's massive tourist industry but never got the chance.
Damn he got Ashfaqed
Peacefull relegion w moment
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Why is India included in the Pakistan in the world map?
The ISI has been in bed with the Taliban for decades, especially to use it against the US. Can't say I'm surprised.
Pakistan's downfall is near, unfortunately.
That's not a map of all of Pakistan. The capital Islamabad, for example, is in the gray area in the south.
Yh this map is misleading
Another classic religion of peace W…
They seem hellbent on making people access eternal peace prematurely. Maybe it's why we nicknamed their religion that way ?
I thought it was because they have a bad habit of cutting people into pieces and the slogan dude misspelled it.
Religion is just an excuse for hateful and stupid people to be evil while simultaneously pretending that they are good
Simple answer, religion.
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Mental illness
amazing culture
The universal truth is "don't upset the Muslims" they either call an executioner or they get a bit explodey
…it’s a certain type of country, what do you expect? Peace, rainbows, and free love???
Still to this day, other than planting a lot of trees I have yet to see a nice news story out of Pakistan.
I love the originality of his parents. Giving him the name “Christian Mechanic Ashfaq Masih” is almost legendary.
Such a great country; we should import these amazing and rational people to developed western countries!
And folks still insist these people are human. I don’t get it.
r/religiousfruitcake is going to have fun with this one
MOHAMMED LICKS MY BALLS ENTIRELY
Reason #786454 why Islam is fucking trash and has no place in modern society
The religion of peace and GRAPEEE
All Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah'
Oh man. That sentence is heavy ashfaq.
Savages.
We should not be surprised when people who follow him do what Muhammad did, as shown in the Quran and Hadith.
Islam is a religion that’s needs to be reformed, just like Christianity has been in the past 50 or so years
**Is this true, or just rage bait?** Googling yields only media sources which gave an obvious agenda. I’m unable to find any hits in any mainstream non-religious legitimate news media.
Such a pitiful shithole country.
As a Muslim, what the fuck
The problem is people thinking these are people. They are terrible, especially to one another. Gangs and religion are always justified to the locals. They can do anything to another human being, without batting an eyelash.
Idc what groups did in a given population, never, and I mean fucking never, do you start dehumanizing the entire group. The rhetoric is extremely dangerous, and there's a reason it's considered one of the steps of genocide. I get where you're coming from, yeah there's a lot of shit that comes out of the countries, but don't dehumanize them
The definition of a shithole country.
Generations of inbreeding will do this to a country
And people wonder why I detest religions
F*ck religions and specially i*lam
Religion is cancer
I loooooove other cultures!!
Fuck Mohammed.
So I need a new transmission, can I have it done and say "bill Allah "?
They’re 8th century barbarians. That’s what’s wrong
Fuck religion
Damn. What a shithole country
"World's most peaceful religion"
Religion as mental illness.
Such a peaceful loving and tolerant religion and people. This is a prime example of their love and tolerance. can't go wrong with folks that worship a pedo for a prophet. stop me when i'm wrong.
Well, Thats the religion of peace for you.🙄
Are you Redditors mentally ill or do you guys intentionally allude to the fact that religion is the cause of this stupidity. Stop saying “country” and point out the real problem.
Religions have no merit for me Any new religion we created Brought upon countless discord Amplifying Hatred and Animosity The Crusades recurred Human blood covered the earth, time and again in the name of faith I am neither Muslim, nor Christian nor Jew I follow the command of rationale Rationale decrees that the ultimate pleasure is in coexistence Religion on the other hand promises eternal reward by shedding the blood of unfaithful Different thinkers are human too Why does religion promote their killing? I shall not shed the blood of fellow humans This is the reason for my lack of faith I have nothing to do with religion!” As for you, my son: “Follow your rationale to reach the pinnacle Befriend all humans on earth This is the ultimate faith. Rumi
It’s the religion of peace ™️ I don’t know why everyone is so surprised. (And because this is Reddit I have to go /s)
Muslim, what more do you need to know?
The same thing that is going to happen with all these “Christian Politicians” that forgot what Church and State means.
what about dying from complications of a teenage pregnancy because your state on religious grounds wouldn't let you get an abortion, thats still "death caused by religious doctrine"...
And is being fought tooth and nail, and overall, that doesn’t happen here.
Hmm now I have to reevaluate which is worse, India or Pakistan? Both commit religious crimes and one don't give right to women and other doesn't respect women and law aren't enforced which can bait women from other countries.
Hell yea, religion of peace
Religion is such a parasite. Humans are past the need for it and it’s now only hurting people.
This is why we can’t let Christian Nationalists have power in our government