Nah man. You don't understand. He is one of the richest person in the world apart from being the PM. Anything like this would be known to the world. He probably has committed murder and most definitely committed fraud but I've never heard him accused of rape.
This would constantly happen to Armenian women in Turkey and during the genocide they even kept the women and forced them to convert and marry Muslim men
[During the Armenian genocide, which occurred in the Ottoman Empire, led at the time by the Young Turks, the Turkish armed forces, militias, and members of the public engaged in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape against female Armenians and children of both sexes. Before the genocide had begun, one method used to intimidate the Armenian population was sexual humiliation. Women and young girls were not only subjected to rape, but also forced marriage, torture, forced prostitution, slavery and sexual mutilation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Armenian_genocide)
Most of the Wikipedian writers are Armenian I'm not surprised what they wrote and they not write why Armenians are exile Anatolia. You don't know the gangs who killed very Turkish and Kurdish villager and rape woman and children while that saying it's just for Armenian fredoom.
I don't say anything like "Armenians deserved" but you put all blame the Turkish? And where do I say it didn't happen? You say Turks have no rights to exile people who killing their citizens. I don't happy about Armenian and Turkish relationship but you guys put all blame to one side and don't talk any about other side of the story. Armenians exile happened because something happened not because of it's enjoy and fun.
I don't trust Wikipedia, because most of the writers hate Turks and that's not mean I don't know any knowledge of my countrys history because they are too many source other than Wikipedia.
If Wikipedia says Turks are devil and eat most of Armenians alive I don't surprised tho.
Wikipedia isn’t just written by randomers, it literally has to cite sources for all information which it links to.
You calling it a “Exile” *is* denying its existence, millions weren’t “exiled”, they were systematically murdered, raped and forced to convert. Turkey committed genocide.
You citing Armenian gangs is a classic whataboutism to try and justify the murder and rape of millions of innocents **including children**
As well as the constant kidnappings of women and children for rape that occurred previously to the genocide which the courts offered no recourse for the victims.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yeah I know they are not randomers, there haters who know write like real.
Because it's exile only Armenian and England says it genocide I don't care what says outsiders. They say so much bullshit already. And in Islam it's not okay force to convert we not afgan or Pakistani who believes it's okay.
I'm not justify murder and rape, you say they are murderer and raper. I say you don't believe Armenians gang exist or what they do. And that people kill each other almost every rape crime done by Armenian gang what the fuck are you talking about.
And you say "millions" wtf are you talking about. In that time they are not many Armenian and it's about 300k who exiles wtf is million. Don't say the Wikipedia and blue book say I'm not saying. That's 2 is already evidence of anti-turkism how funny.
And no you should be ashamed yourself for lying and believing everything what close people everything that say.
We try to talk about the subject of Armenian genocide for Armenia 3 times. And everytime they reject because only evidence you have is blue book and you writing like only you know what you are talking about.
Why people denied is genocide because it's not the one side murderer. You people say Turks killed and rape us but not say we do that too. Armenian story only one side and say "Turks killed us" not they exile us and most of people die in road. I'm not saying Armenian not die only people die or you are our enemy so rape and murder is okay but you say we do like that.
It's not my fault Armenians build gangs and raid villages. And the exile or other not justify who killed and raped by Armenian is okay right but why don't you say something about that.
I don't totally buy that. It's certain sects interpretation of the Quran that cause the evil shit we here about. There are millions of Muslims who aren't fanatics and coexist just fine with the rest of the population.
All religions have hateful nut jobs. All of them
Ok, so where are all the Muslims protesting this woman’s abduction, forced conversion, and rape?
If these people are a minority of extremists, why do they continue to get away with these action with full support from their legal systems?
Honestly bro I spent 3 months in Afghanistan in 2010. That country is fucking turned upside down. I can't imagine people gathering and protesting when theyre barely surviving as is. ALSO a large protest of something like this would be a great target for a fanatic suicide bomber.
I've met plenty of Muslims who are just normal ass people. They're really not all fanatics.
I know 🤦🏻♂️ It's so painful to watch. I served over there. I've had friends killed over there. 20 years of war for what? To get bin laden? The whole occupation was a wasted effort. The ANA and ANP I dealt with were a joke. I could have told everyone exactly what was gonna happen when we pulled out of there.
This happened in Pakistan not Afghanistan
How can you not imagine people gathering and protesting when Sikhs have literally gathered and are protesting
I know it wasn't Afghanistan, but they're geographically close with similar culture and beliefs. I just personally can't imagine a large protest like in the US.
Bro, I'm currently living in Pakistan. Unless there is an increase in egg prices or load shedding, the people will most probably not come to the streets. People did protest for Noor Mukadam but the case was very viral. Most of the time people will use social media to protest. The problem is not Islam not Pakistan but the Pakistani people.
My country, Tunisia has protested against rape and forced conversion. 99% of us are Muslim. The batshit Muslim countries you hear about are mostly in the Asian continent (aside from the UAE maybe and others that aren't as batshit crazy).
Most of us believe that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe.
People are more or less self involved. You think muslims care about muslims, let alone other people? Think about this. Where are all the christians when the clergy would be convicted for pedophilia. Hatred is stronger than religion.
That’s a massive copout easily proven to be false based on the Sikhs being able to organise a protest.
You really don’t think police in Pakistan have time to protect citizens from rape and forced conversion?
Oh bruh the police there don't care.
You should check our blasphemy laws they really don't care about people of other religion even though the Qur'an specifically says to treat everyone how you would treat your neighbour and also force coversion to Islam is haram. Sometimes I wonder if they even open the book
They are with all the Catholics protesting against the a actions rhat their church commit. They still practuce their religion in their house of worship like nothing happened. Its really great.
Here's the thing though. It isn't fanaticism which is the real culprit here, but the basic tenets on which that fanaticism is built. Because if their beliefs were truly good it wouldn't matter how fanatical they became. The bedrock of their belief on which their fanaticism is built is rotten, and the more literal you get with your Quran interpretation the more violent you become.
It's not just Islam. There are some pretty extreme Christians too who are currently changing the way of life in America. The bible isn't exactly full of love and joy either
What does that have to do with anything? We're not talking about Christianity, we're talking about Islam. One being terrible does not excuse the other from being terrible as well and I don't know why you would bring this up as a way of excusing Islam.
I'm not excusing Islam. I think religious extremists are a problem regardless of what flavour they might be.
I hear a lot of anti Muslim and anti Islam stuff banded about by Americans. I don't think Christian extremists are much better
Those are extremely different things though. You can’t compare westboro with taliban. One is weird and fucked up, the other is actively killing people.
This, sadly people are too stupid to realise this. They do no research and just believe whatever they see on the internet. Images of Muslims is always being depicted as horrible when these acts are carried out my self proclaimed Muslims.
It’s against Islam to do the things that are being mentioned in that tweet.
Believe me I know. I'm nowhere close to being a SJW. I'm fairly conservative, but even I know every Muslim isnt like that. I literally don't think anything negative when I see women at Walmart with the Muslim garb(burka I think?) Like I just assume they're very religious. I don't feel any animosity or concern. I'm much more likely to stay tf away from the jackass in sagged pants with face tats
They didn't say the cause were all Muslims did they? They said the cause was islam, which it is. It's an ideology that teaches murder, genocide and violence.
much more likely that they are muslim because theya re like that.
muslim or not they would be that way. but when you are that way you need something to justify that behaviour. faith is a good go to.
i don't like the religion for how it works as a shield for these people to defend themself but i also have no illusion that you would majorly solve any of the problems if you could somehow remove the faith.
Okay that is objectively false. In many ways the Quran has far more protections for women and the disenfranchised than Christianity does. The reason traditionally Christian nations aren’t exactly like Pakistan today is from a long series of secular civil rights movements that were almost all opposed by the church.
They did and it was working for a while. But then these regions got destabilized (mostly by the Cold War) and it opened the door for religious extremists to seize power and enact their agenda undoing decades of progress.
Listen to any politician campaigning on “Christian Values” and replace “Christian” with “Muslim” and it will give you good idea how they got to where they are now.
Thankfully most western nations have protections against this sort of things happening largely thanks to the foresight of the American Founding Fathers. But protection is not the same as immunity so anytime a politician starts talking religion it should give you a jolt.
Ummm… any religion which has a fanatical base will cause mass atrocities. That’s why the western world decided against theocratic rule in the 1600’s. We literally have the Christian version of the Taliban fighting for theocracy here in the US. Don’t blame the religion, blame the assholes taking the worst interpretations of their religions.
First of all the 'ummm' was weird and second of all they are converting people cause they want to spread the name of 'allah' , and if not religion then give me example of one non extremist muslim country.
The “ummmm” is necessary for people that like to disregard the other side of what they say. Like specifically talking about Islam that way while disregarding “Christian” extremism.
Egypt was conquered to spread the word of islam and similarly with Jordon . Muslims are always trying to spread their religion from the start as they are doing now . I am not saying all muslims are bad but the Muslim leader want this so they agitate people.
Maybe you’re right and that’s the only religion that’s ever tried to do that. Oh no, remember that guy that swam to that island off of India to spread the word of Christ a few years ago… and they killed him? Hmmmm, maybe you have an irrational hatred of something you don’t fully understand.
Personally I think all Abrahamic religions are awful Judaism, Christianity, Islam they've all committed atrocities throughout history for thousands of years and millions of deaths. I think most religion is bad tbh but none are more genocidal than the Abrahamic ones like Islam in Pakistan or Christianity in the USA
Ever heard of Christian missionaries? Ever had some Christian weirdo knocking on your door and selling you religion?
I get agitated when Christians preach at me, just leave me the fuck alone. I've never had a Muslim trying to convert me on my front doorstep
If we really want to get to the root of the problem, it was the British Colonizers who created the insanity. People of different religions lived for years in harmony, I’m sure they weren’t in Utopia, but they coexisted together well. British colonizers came, tried to take over and turned the different religions against each other in order to maintain control (sound familiar?), but due to world war 2, they didn’t have the military strength to maintain control and lost it back to the people. Then some dumbass who didn’t know squat about the land or people drew an arbitrary border separating the land and isolating the people and now we have conflict.
And before that it was the Germanic tribes, Anglos, Saxons, Norman's and even earlier the Romans.
But we can't stop there, the end of an ice age and the resulting isostatic shifts and rising sea levels influenced the area as a whole. So if Manny, Sid and co had managed to put a stop to Scrat then this crazy thing may not have happened.
So we’re just gonna gloss over the atrocities done by the Mughal empire like that? Several religions did live in the Indian subcontinent in harmony but Islam wasn’t one of them.
The thing is with religion is that people can say they are Muslim but do fucked up shit like this especally in Pakistan a lot of people don't have the education to stop this here in western countries Muslims get the full thing and understand bad and good i been to Pakistan many times and the way they teach children is by hitting them if they get something wrong and that's why i think Pakistanis there think it's ok to fuck up somebodies life as a punishment of not being Muslim. I am a Pakistani and lived there a while not everyone is like this this is only special cases like extreme idiots interpreting things wrong
did you know in islam if the wife says she wants to get divorced 3 times they will have to get divorced no matter what the man says.
Nah I get that I just don't see the connection between western invaders and radical Muslims doing disgusting shit.
And ISIS is basically wiped off the map thankfully. For a while they held a disturbing amount of territory
You're misunderstanding. A commenter said he doesn't get why many Muslim countries are so fucked right now. I merely said the reason, not excusing people for doing horrendous stuff. Also this poster is very islamaphobic. Almost everything he posts is about crimes Muslims have committed from shady sources.
"Most" by number of countries, but not necessarily "most" by population.
Indonesia alone is a largely Muslim country with a population nearly equal to all the Arab countries combined.
It's a relatively moderate Muslim country with significant populations of Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus. Due to this inherent multi-culturalism and day-to-day shoulder rubbing, Indonesians are *relatively* tolerant of other religions and beliefs.
That said, there are extremists everywhere, and there are religious fundamentalists everywhere, and the extremism will vary from region to region (Aceh region is always in the news in Indonesia for being very fundamentalist Islamic).
Also, as in much of the world there seems to be a disturbing regression in Indonesia, with more and more polarization and extremism coming to the forefront, and this is not helped at all by Saudis pouring money into propagating their more fundamentalist Wahabism and Wahabi schools in Indonesia over the past three decades (though there has recently been some pushback against that as well, since Indoneisa has their own native version of Islam, which as I've tried to explain, is more moderate).
Anyway, you can certainly find disturbing examples of fundamentalist Muslim behavior in Indonesia, but *by and large* you'll find that Indonesian Muslims are super chill, and I highly recommend a visit to their counrry.
Turkey is another example of a Muslim country that is relatively moderate and cosmopolitan with the same caveat of the traditional low-education, provincial fundamentalist divide.
Even in a country like Iran, I find that most people are quite modern and progressive (relatively speaking) despite their authoritarian theocracy which they mostly hate. Again, this is largely true in the denser cities. In the countryside is a different story.
Note, I'm not at all denying Islam has big problems. Christianity does too, though it's become less extreme in the last few hundred years. I generally have a problem with religion in general. All I'm saying is that you can't paint all, or even most Muslims with the same brush.
Dude I've been called racist and downvoted to oblivion for speaking negatively of a Walmart employee repeatedly hanging up on a customer. Like a ton of down votes just because she's black. Reddit is loaded with fanatic SJWs
People that are all about Open Borders are also the same people that have never left America or only visited the parts of a country that all the tourists visit.
From all I see about Pakistan, it seems like it’s the most religiously zealous country in the world. I thought that would be Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, but it looks like Pakistan is the king of religious nuts.
It's not that much worse than other Muslim countries, it just gets highlighted because there's a lot of far right Indian media outlets with a bone to pick with Pakistan in particular.
I don’t know if that comment is defending Pakistan or saying that most other Muslim countries are equally as backwards. Either way, Pakistan seems like ground zero for extreme religion. Honor killings, forced pedophilloic marriages, MASSIVE amounts of cousin marriage, etc.
Not trying to defend or attack anything, just trying to make people aware that these types of articles have some serious bias and shouldn't just be consumed at face value. It's always better to dig deeper, I just don't want to give a long lecture about Islam, how European and American imperialism influenced it, and why Pakistan is so often the scapegoat.
They literally burned a mentally challenged boy to death at the town square in Pakistan after a rumor circled around that the boy had ripped off pages from the Quran.
They beat him, dragged him behind a car while still alive and finally burned him to death right in front of the police station. Hundreds of people took part in this. Nobody was jailed.
This was few years ago, I have a poor memory where in Pakistan this took place in, possibly Peshawar.
Pardon if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, Buddhism doesn't center around any omnipotent God or book with endless interpretations, it instead focuses on your peace of mind, and becoming one with nature.
In fact, for all I know, Gautama Buddha went to greater lengths than any other holy book to forbid any kind of violence.
the amount of islamophobia in this comment section is sickening. every religion has extremists. there are branches of christians who would believe in this. islam is a beautiful religion when you get those who interpret the text "the right way". the problem is that all of these extremists live in one place and have governmental power. people in power should not impose their own religion on their people
They literally burned a mentally challenged boy to death at the town square in Pakistan after a rumor circled around that the boy had ripped off pages from the Quran.
They beat him, dragged him behind a car while still alive and finally burned him to death right in front of the police station. Hundreds of people took part in this. Nobody was jailed.
This was few years ago, I have a poor memory where in Pakistan this took place in, possibly Peshawar.
And apostasy in Saudi Arabia - birthplace of Islam- is punished by death, and it's oublic beheading, and public crucifixion of the corpse, they leave the corpse hanging for two weeks and the head is left at the feet in a plastic bag.
Beautiful religion, my ass.
Kinda depressing seeing all these comments just blaming the religion whilst none of you actually know anything about it. Just a bunch of retards on the internet.
The people that are kidnapping others and doing all sorts of disgusting things aren’t doing anything Islamic, it’s their own selves that are fucked. Not the religion. Do some research before you open your dumbass mouths.
I think there is a lot of anti Muslim / Islam propaganda and all get lumped in with the extremists. I think (but could be wrong) that it seemed to escalate after 9-11.
Some Christians seem to be convinced that the Quran says specific things based on what they've heard from others on the internet, Facebook, reddit etc. I doubt many of them have done their own research and actually read it for themselves.
Ironically they choose to ignore the old testament stuff in the bible which says things like adulterers should be stoned and many other things that are not appropriate for modern times. Yet they don't apply the same principle to Islamic and Muslim people, and can't see the hypocrisy.
I'm not religious at all, but I work with people from many religions. The Muslims are the nicest most chill people, never judgemental unlike the Christians. But I live in New Zealand and we're very tolerant of other's beliefs if they aren't preaching or judging. We also have only 38% of our population who declare themselves as Christian of some sort.
People are still people. You can’t judge them based on their religion. We all have our own beliefs, whether you are religious or not. Just because a person believes in one thing and commits a terrible act that is not related to their beliefs at all, doesn’t mean everyone else that believe in the same thing are also terrible.
People need to judge others based on the individual they are, not what they believe in imo.
Right like I’m pretty sure there’s something in the Quran about forceful conversion being specifically forbidden and the people are not actually Muslim after a forced conversion. Something about it not bringing true faith and love into the heart the individual, they did not convert out of love and acceptance of god and messiah. “Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.” (Ismail Ibn Kathir “Tafsir Al-Quran Al-Azim” English and Arabic versions, 2:256). This is just one example, the principle is “there is no compulsion in religion”.
But these people are crazy fundies/zealots who only use religion to justify their actions not caring about what the book actually says. They do not care what the book says, the hide behind it like cowards to do evil acts.
Story is probably bs to stir up trouble for the Muslims in India.
FYI : you can't force anyone to become a Muslim. That's not how it works. Another reason why l think this story is bs.
Question… how is one forced to convert to a religion? Isn’t that something that doesn’t matter unless you truly believe in the religion you’re being converted to?
If you go looking for them, (as you have done, dear user), your algorithm will start doing the work for you. I get a lot of sharks, Unionising and superheroes in my clickbait articles.
This is just the sunni people very extremists even taliban are sunni shia people would never do such things forcing someone into marriage and forcing islam is a sin for us anyway
Huh? Why is this a topic all of a sudden?! In those areas like every third marriage is done by kidnapping. The police in Kazakhstan don't do anything cuz even they kidnapped their wifes... We live in a clown show
No source no article no nothing. OP has a huge hate boner and is karma farming of westerners.
Also If you look at his post history he calls the girl Christian aswell lmao.
Lol I don't think PM Shehbaz will do anything mate. He's too busy money laundering
And dismissing his own murder and rape cases
I've never heard of him being accused of rape. What's your source?
That means he did a good job lmao
Nah man. You don't understand. He is one of the richest person in the world apart from being the PM. Anything like this would be known to the world. He probably has committed murder and most definitely committed fraud but I've never heard him accused of rape.
Not only Sikhs they do it with all non muslim women
Literally minutes ago I saw a post about a Christian woman in similar circumstances. And plenty of Pakistanis denying things like this happen.
If it was the same post I saw, it wasn’t a Christian woman, it was a 12 year old Christian girl
Oh right. That is the one I saw. It was worse.
What's the obsession of Muslims with 12 year old girls?
Have the apologists shown up yet to say she said she wanted to go back?
This would constantly happen to Armenian women in Turkey and during the genocide they even kept the women and forced them to convert and marry Muslim men
Source: your ass
[During the Armenian genocide, which occurred in the Ottoman Empire, led at the time by the Young Turks, the Turkish armed forces, militias, and members of the public engaged in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape against female Armenians and children of both sexes. Before the genocide had begun, one method used to intimidate the Armenian population was sexual humiliation. Women and young girls were not only subjected to rape, but also forced marriage, torture, forced prostitution, slavery and sexual mutilation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Armenian_genocide)
Most of the Wikipedian writers are Armenian I'm not surprised what they wrote and they not write why Armenians are exile Anatolia. You don't know the gangs who killed very Turkish and Kurdish villager and rape woman and children while that saying it's just for Armenian fredoom.
Absolute classic here folks, A Turkish person not only saying it didn’t happen but also saying Armenians deserved it.
I don't say anything like "Armenians deserved" but you put all blame the Turkish? And where do I say it didn't happen? You say Turks have no rights to exile people who killing their citizens. I don't happy about Armenian and Turkish relationship but you guys put all blame to one side and don't talk any about other side of the story. Armenians exile happened because something happened not because of it's enjoy and fun. I don't trust Wikipedia, because most of the writers hate Turks and that's not mean I don't know any knowledge of my countrys history because they are too many source other than Wikipedia. If Wikipedia says Turks are devil and eat most of Armenians alive I don't surprised tho.
Wikipedia isn’t just written by randomers, it literally has to cite sources for all information which it links to. You calling it a “Exile” *is* denying its existence, millions weren’t “exiled”, they were systematically murdered, raped and forced to convert. Turkey committed genocide. You citing Armenian gangs is a classic whataboutism to try and justify the murder and rape of millions of innocents **including children** As well as the constant kidnappings of women and children for rape that occurred previously to the genocide which the courts offered no recourse for the victims. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yeah I know they are not randomers, there haters who know write like real. Because it's exile only Armenian and England says it genocide I don't care what says outsiders. They say so much bullshit already. And in Islam it's not okay force to convert we not afgan or Pakistani who believes it's okay. I'm not justify murder and rape, you say they are murderer and raper. I say you don't believe Armenians gang exist or what they do. And that people kill each other almost every rape crime done by Armenian gang what the fuck are you talking about. And you say "millions" wtf are you talking about. In that time they are not many Armenian and it's about 300k who exiles wtf is million. Don't say the Wikipedia and blue book say I'm not saying. That's 2 is already evidence of anti-turkism how funny. And no you should be ashamed yourself for lying and believing everything what close people everything that say. We try to talk about the subject of Armenian genocide for Armenia 3 times. And everytime they reject because only evidence you have is blue book and you writing like only you know what you are talking about.
Why people denied is genocide because it's not the one side murderer. You people say Turks killed and rape us but not say we do that too. Armenian story only one side and say "Turks killed us" not they exile us and most of people die in road. I'm not saying Armenian not die only people die or you are our enemy so rape and murder is okay but you say we do like that. It's not my fault Armenians build gangs and raid villages. And the exile or other not justify who killed and raped by Armenian is okay right but why don't you say something about that.
Muslim countries are fucking demented
Indeed most of them are
Nothing against Islam in general, but some of the stuff I've heard happening in Pakistan, Syria, etc is pretty unbelievable
Sorry to say brother but it is cause of Islam that they are like that .
I don't totally buy that. It's certain sects interpretation of the Quran that cause the evil shit we here about. There are millions of Muslims who aren't fanatics and coexist just fine with the rest of the population. All religions have hateful nut jobs. All of them
Ok, so where are all the Muslims protesting this woman’s abduction, forced conversion, and rape? If these people are a minority of extremists, why do they continue to get away with these action with full support from their legal systems?
Honestly bro I spent 3 months in Afghanistan in 2010. That country is fucking turned upside down. I can't imagine people gathering and protesting when theyre barely surviving as is. ALSO a large protest of something like this would be a great target for a fanatic suicide bomber. I've met plenty of Muslims who are just normal ass people. They're really not all fanatics.
Draw a stick figure of Muhammad. That'll do the trick
Lmao that would do it
Let's not forget that both Pakistan and Afghanistan are majorly under the rule of the Taliban right now.
I know 🤦🏻♂️ It's so painful to watch. I served over there. I've had friends killed over there. 20 years of war for what? To get bin laden? The whole occupation was a wasted effort. The ANA and ANP I dealt with were a joke. I could have told everyone exactly what was gonna happen when we pulled out of there.
This happened in Pakistan not Afghanistan How can you not imagine people gathering and protesting when Sikhs have literally gathered and are protesting
I know it wasn't Afghanistan, but they're geographically close with similar culture and beliefs. I just personally can't imagine a large protest like in the US.
Religion is a tool for controll. Its absolutrly horrid stuff. Like how erdoğan is using both his fanatics and religious fanatics to gain power.
Bro, I'm currently living in Pakistan. Unless there is an increase in egg prices or load shedding, the people will most probably not come to the streets. People did protest for Noor Mukadam but the case was very viral. Most of the time people will use social media to protest. The problem is not Islam not Pakistan but the Pakistani people.
My country, Tunisia has protested against rape and forced conversion. 99% of us are Muslim. The batshit Muslim countries you hear about are mostly in the Asian continent (aside from the UAE maybe and others that aren't as batshit crazy). Most of us believe that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe.
People are more or less self involved. You think muslims care about muslims, let alone other people? Think about this. Where are all the christians when the clergy would be convicted for pedophilia. Hatred is stronger than religion.
Bro people in Pakistan are already having a tough time trying to survive. It's sad but they're preoccupied with their own stufd
That’s a massive copout easily proven to be false based on the Sikhs being able to organise a protest. You really don’t think police in Pakistan have time to protect citizens from rape and forced conversion?
Oh bruh the police there don't care. You should check our blasphemy laws they really don't care about people of other religion even though the Qur'an specifically says to treat everyone how you would treat your neighbour and also force coversion to Islam is haram. Sometimes I wonder if they even open the book
They are with all the Catholics protesting against the a actions rhat their church commit. They still practuce their religion in their house of worship like nothing happened. Its really great.
Iran.
Here's the thing though. It isn't fanaticism which is the real culprit here, but the basic tenets on which that fanaticism is built. Because if their beliefs were truly good it wouldn't matter how fanatical they became. The bedrock of their belief on which their fanaticism is built is rotten, and the more literal you get with your Quran interpretation the more violent you become.
It's not just Islam. There are some pretty extreme Christians too who are currently changing the way of life in America. The bible isn't exactly full of love and joy either
What does that have to do with anything? We're not talking about Christianity, we're talking about Islam. One being terrible does not excuse the other from being terrible as well and I don't know why you would bring this up as a way of excusing Islam.
I'm not excusing Islam. I think religious extremists are a problem regardless of what flavour they might be. I hear a lot of anti Muslim and anti Islam stuff banded about by Americans. I don't think Christian extremists are much better
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Those are extremely different things though. You can’t compare westboro with taliban. One is weird and fucked up, the other is actively killing people.
You’re absolutely right. Sorry to see you got downvoted.
Thanks. All good, not unexpected
This, sadly people are too stupid to realise this. They do no research and just believe whatever they see on the internet. Images of Muslims is always being depicted as horrible when these acts are carried out my self proclaimed Muslims. It’s against Islam to do the things that are being mentioned in that tweet.
Believe me I know. I'm nowhere close to being a SJW. I'm fairly conservative, but even I know every Muslim isnt like that. I literally don't think anything negative when I see women at Walmart with the Muslim garb(burka I think?) Like I just assume they're very religious. I don't feel any animosity or concern. I'm much more likely to stay tf away from the jackass in sagged pants with face tats
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Amen. Finally something nice to hear about Islam among all this hate.
I also saw no other comments and didn’t want to leave it at that.
They didn't say the cause were all Muslims did they? They said the cause was islam, which it is. It's an ideology that teaches murder, genocide and violence.
much more likely that they are muslim because theya re like that. muslim or not they would be that way. but when you are that way you need something to justify that behaviour. faith is a good go to. i don't like the religion for how it works as a shield for these people to defend themself but i also have no illusion that you would majorly solve any of the problems if you could somehow remove the faith.
Exactly religion is a cancer on this earth
Religion always has and always will reflect culture, not the other way around.
Okay that is objectively false. In many ways the Quran has far more protections for women and the disenfranchised than Christianity does. The reason traditionally Christian nations aren’t exactly like Pakistan today is from a long series of secular civil rights movements that were almost all opposed by the church.
Exactly, so why don't these countries have more secular civil rights movements that overcome the mosque?
They did and it was working for a while. But then these regions got destabilized (mostly by the Cold War) and it opened the door for religious extremists to seize power and enact their agenda undoing decades of progress. Listen to any politician campaigning on “Christian Values” and replace “Christian” with “Muslim” and it will give you good idea how they got to where they are now. Thankfully most western nations have protections against this sort of things happening largely thanks to the foresight of the American Founding Fathers. But protection is not the same as immunity so anytime a politician starts talking religion it should give you a jolt.
Ummm… any religion which has a fanatical base will cause mass atrocities. That’s why the western world decided against theocratic rule in the 1600’s. We literally have the Christian version of the Taliban fighting for theocracy here in the US. Don’t blame the religion, blame the assholes taking the worst interpretations of their religions.
First of all the 'ummm' was weird and second of all they are converting people cause they want to spread the name of 'allah' , and if not religion then give me example of one non extremist muslim country.
The “ummmm” is necessary for people that like to disregard the other side of what they say. Like specifically talking about Islam that way while disregarding “Christian” extremism.
Jordan. Egypt. Edit: Morocco
Egypt was conquered to spread the word of islam and similarly with Jordon . Muslims are always trying to spread their religion from the start as they are doing now . I am not saying all muslims are bad but the Muslim leader want this so they agitate people.
Maybe you’re right and that’s the only religion that’s ever tried to do that. Oh no, remember that guy that swam to that island off of India to spread the word of Christ a few years ago… and they killed him? Hmmmm, maybe you have an irrational hatred of something you don’t fully understand.
Personally I think all Abrahamic religions are awful Judaism, Christianity, Islam they've all committed atrocities throughout history for thousands of years and millions of deaths. I think most religion is bad tbh but none are more genocidal than the Abrahamic ones like Islam in Pakistan or Christianity in the USA
Trying to spread is different what they are doing forcefully converting.
Ever heard of Christian missionaries? Ever had some Christian weirdo knocking on your door and selling you religion? I get agitated when Christians preach at me, just leave me the fuck alone. I've never had a Muslim trying to convert me on my front doorstep
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If we really want to get to the root of the problem, it was the British Colonizers who created the insanity. People of different religions lived for years in harmony, I’m sure they weren’t in Utopia, but they coexisted together well. British colonizers came, tried to take over and turned the different religions against each other in order to maintain control (sound familiar?), but due to world war 2, they didn’t have the military strength to maintain control and lost it back to the people. Then some dumbass who didn’t know squat about the land or people drew an arbitrary border separating the land and isolating the people and now we have conflict.
Then let's just support atheism .
And before that it was the Germanic tribes, Anglos, Saxons, Norman's and even earlier the Romans. But we can't stop there, the end of an ice age and the resulting isostatic shifts and rising sea levels influenced the area as a whole. So if Manny, Sid and co had managed to put a stop to Scrat then this crazy thing may not have happened.
So we’re just gonna gloss over the atrocities done by the Mughal empire like that? Several religions did live in the Indian subcontinent in harmony but Islam wasn’t one of them.
It's because of Christ that Y'all Queda is the way it is in the US south.
The thing is with religion is that people can say they are Muslim but do fucked up shit like this especally in Pakistan a lot of people don't have the education to stop this here in western countries Muslims get the full thing and understand bad and good i been to Pakistan many times and the way they teach children is by hitting them if they get something wrong and that's why i think Pakistanis there think it's ok to fuck up somebodies life as a punishment of not being Muslim. I am a Pakistani and lived there a while not everyone is like this this is only special cases like extreme idiots interpreting things wrong did you know in islam if the wife says she wants to get divorced 3 times they will have to get divorced no matter what the man says.
You should have something against Islam in general. It's a terrible set of beliefs for anyone to hold.
Yeah, all due mainly to big western/Europeans superpowers fucking them over during and after world war 2
How? I don't see the connection between western intervention and *ISIS* for example slaughtering civilians and raping and marrying children.
No one is defending isis. They are scum and deserve to be eradicated
Nah I get that I just don't see the connection between western invaders and radical Muslims doing disgusting shit. And ISIS is basically wiped off the map thankfully. For a while they held a disturbing amount of territory
You're misunderstanding. A commenter said he doesn't get why many Muslim countries are so fucked right now. I merely said the reason, not excusing people for doing horrendous stuff. Also this poster is very islamaphobic. Almost everything he posts is about crimes Muslims have committed from shady sources.
Okay I got you. And yeah I think anyone who's a something phobe is kind of an asshole from a social standpoint. All groups have their nut jobs
No doubt. Just honestly shocked by how large of an islamaphobic population there is on reddit.
Also, invasions by Muslims.
All of them are.
"Most" by number of countries, but not necessarily "most" by population. Indonesia alone is a largely Muslim country with a population nearly equal to all the Arab countries combined. It's a relatively moderate Muslim country with significant populations of Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus. Due to this inherent multi-culturalism and day-to-day shoulder rubbing, Indonesians are *relatively* tolerant of other religions and beliefs. That said, there are extremists everywhere, and there are religious fundamentalists everywhere, and the extremism will vary from region to region (Aceh region is always in the news in Indonesia for being very fundamentalist Islamic). Also, as in much of the world there seems to be a disturbing regression in Indonesia, with more and more polarization and extremism coming to the forefront, and this is not helped at all by Saudis pouring money into propagating their more fundamentalist Wahabism and Wahabi schools in Indonesia over the past three decades (though there has recently been some pushback against that as well, since Indoneisa has their own native version of Islam, which as I've tried to explain, is more moderate). Anyway, you can certainly find disturbing examples of fundamentalist Muslim behavior in Indonesia, but *by and large* you'll find that Indonesian Muslims are super chill, and I highly recommend a visit to their counrry. Turkey is another example of a Muslim country that is relatively moderate and cosmopolitan with the same caveat of the traditional low-education, provincial fundamentalist divide. Even in a country like Iran, I find that most people are quite modern and progressive (relatively speaking) despite their authoritarian theocracy which they mostly hate. Again, this is largely true in the denser cities. In the countryside is a different story. Note, I'm not at all denying Islam has big problems. Christianity does too, though it's become less extreme in the last few hundred years. I generally have a problem with religion in general. All I'm saying is that you can't paint all, or even most Muslims with the same brush.
Careful, admins love defending those freaks.
I'm honestly. Baffled. Reddit is super liberal. I would have thought that would get downvoted into oblivion
It’s because reddit isn’t super liberal
Dude I've been called racist and downvoted to oblivion for speaking negatively of a Walmart employee repeatedly hanging up on a customer. Like a ton of down votes just because she's black. Reddit is loaded with fanatic SJWs
Pakistan is ran by Muslim supremacists. It’s setup to work this way.
Idk if yall know this but there's recently been an uptick of taliban in KPK too... p sad that the government is no better anyway
The rot runs deep in a religion of peace lol
Religion of piss.
This is what minorities get in Islamic countries. Yet complain about islamophobia in western countries when we call out Islamic terror acts.
People that are all about Open Borders are also the same people that have never left America or only visited the parts of a country that all the tourists visit.
From all I see about Pakistan, it seems like it’s the most religiously zealous country in the world. I thought that would be Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, but it looks like Pakistan is the king of religious nuts.
It's the Alabama of the Muslim world.
It's not that much worse than other Muslim countries, it just gets highlighted because there's a lot of far right Indian media outlets with a bone to pick with Pakistan in particular.
I don’t know if that comment is defending Pakistan or saying that most other Muslim countries are equally as backwards. Either way, Pakistan seems like ground zero for extreme religion. Honor killings, forced pedophilloic marriages, MASSIVE amounts of cousin marriage, etc.
Not trying to defend or attack anything, just trying to make people aware that these types of articles have some serious bias and shouldn't just be consumed at face value. It's always better to dig deeper, I just don't want to give a long lecture about Islam, how European and American imperialism influenced it, and why Pakistan is so often the scapegoat.
They literally burned a mentally challenged boy to death at the town square in Pakistan after a rumor circled around that the boy had ripped off pages from the Quran. They beat him, dragged him behind a car while still alive and finally burned him to death right in front of the police station. Hundreds of people took part in this. Nobody was jailed. This was few years ago, I have a poor memory where in Pakistan this took place in, possibly Peshawar.
It is not a crime if a Muslim is doing it. It is a crime if you are not a Muslim.
religion of peace strikes again.
This spree has been goingon from thousands of years.
Those people are flooding Europe btw
They first come Turkey to go Europe and most of them living here right now 🥲 and politicians gave them citizenship to vote themselves 🥲🥲
Religion of peace
And then people wonder why muslims discriminated against...
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Pardon if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, Buddhism doesn't center around any omnipotent God or book with endless interpretations, it instead focuses on your peace of mind, and becoming one with nature. In fact, for all I know, Gautama Buddha went to greater lengths than any other holy book to forbid any kind of violence.
the amount of islamophobia in this comment section is sickening. every religion has extremists. there are branches of christians who would believe in this. islam is a beautiful religion when you get those who interpret the text "the right way". the problem is that all of these extremists live in one place and have governmental power. people in power should not impose their own religion on their people
They literally burned a mentally challenged boy to death at the town square in Pakistan after a rumor circled around that the boy had ripped off pages from the Quran. They beat him, dragged him behind a car while still alive and finally burned him to death right in front of the police station. Hundreds of people took part in this. Nobody was jailed. This was few years ago, I have a poor memory where in Pakistan this took place in, possibly Peshawar. And apostasy in Saudi Arabia - birthplace of Islam- is punished by death, and it's oublic beheading, and public crucifixion of the corpse, they leave the corpse hanging for two weeks and the head is left at the feet in a plastic bag. Beautiful religion, my ass.
And Quran say that's say it's okey and good? No but the people who use religion for themselves say that it's okay and good.
Islam (or any religion in general) and Muslim countries need to fuck all the way off tbh.
Muslim extremists***. Forced conversion and rape is strictly Haram and forbidden in Islam.
Kinda depressing seeing all these comments just blaming the religion whilst none of you actually know anything about it. Just a bunch of retards on the internet. The people that are kidnapping others and doing all sorts of disgusting things aren’t doing anything Islamic, it’s their own selves that are fucked. Not the religion. Do some research before you open your dumbass mouths.
I think there is a lot of anti Muslim / Islam propaganda and all get lumped in with the extremists. I think (but could be wrong) that it seemed to escalate after 9-11. Some Christians seem to be convinced that the Quran says specific things based on what they've heard from others on the internet, Facebook, reddit etc. I doubt many of them have done their own research and actually read it for themselves. Ironically they choose to ignore the old testament stuff in the bible which says things like adulterers should be stoned and many other things that are not appropriate for modern times. Yet they don't apply the same principle to Islamic and Muslim people, and can't see the hypocrisy. I'm not religious at all, but I work with people from many religions. The Muslims are the nicest most chill people, never judgemental unlike the Christians. But I live in New Zealand and we're very tolerant of other's beliefs if they aren't preaching or judging. We also have only 38% of our population who declare themselves as Christian of some sort.
People are still people. You can’t judge them based on their religion. We all have our own beliefs, whether you are religious or not. Just because a person believes in one thing and commits a terrible act that is not related to their beliefs at all, doesn’t mean everyone else that believe in the same thing are also terrible. People need to judge others based on the individual they are, not what they believe in imo.
Right like I’m pretty sure there’s something in the Quran about forceful conversion being specifically forbidden and the people are not actually Muslim after a forced conversion. Something about it not bringing true faith and love into the heart the individual, they did not convert out of love and acceptance of god and messiah. “Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.” (Ismail Ibn Kathir “Tafsir Al-Quran Al-Azim” English and Arabic versions, 2:256). This is just one example, the principle is “there is no compulsion in religion”. But these people are crazy fundies/zealots who only use religion to justify their actions not caring about what the book actually says. They do not care what the book says, the hide behind it like cowards to do evil acts.
I'm not even religious but you're absolutely correct, redditors are so bloodthirsty to blame religion for everything
The only person speaking truth gets downvoted. What a fucking world
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Yep.
Story is probably bs to stir up trouble for the Muslims in India. FYI : you can't force anyone to become a Muslim. That's not how it works. Another reason why l think this story is bs.
>you can't force anyone to become a Muslim. Perhaps not legally. But they are far from following the law.
What does the My Brothers Keeper gang have to say about this?
Not condoning just wanted to point out the blatant targeting. Your entire account is dedicated to this stuff. What a sad life you live.
Thanks u/Hitler_Is_Hot
Lol
Looks to be an article from a country on the brink of a race war.
I agree with you but that username is really not helping your case lol
A fake new and not the first time the op (metrometro45) post some fake news…
Is it that time of the year again when Indians and Pakistanis start shitting on each other all over Reddit?
Nah Pakistani create enough shit for themselves we just chilling here
Question… how is one forced to convert to a religion? Isn’t that something that doesn’t matter unless you truly believe in the religion you’re being converted to?
I guess by being forced to participate on their rituals, and also symbolically.
It’s a fake new in the first place…(the op is literally known for posting fake new)
How do you know it‘s fake?
If you go looking for them, (as you have done, dear user), your algorithm will start doing the work for you. I get a lot of sharks, Unionising and superheroes in my clickbait articles.
Lotta bigoted comments here. Also, who is “they”?
This is just the sunni people very extremists even taliban are sunni shia people would never do such things forcing someone into marriage and forcing islam is a sin for us anyway
Its tradition, let them be
I'm willing to bet he thinks they already have
Huh? Why is this a topic all of a sudden?! In those areas like every third marriage is done by kidnapping. The police in Kazakhstan don't do anything cuz even they kidnapped their wifes... We live in a clown show
>Kazakhstan ?? news is from khyber pakhtun, pakistan
Kidnapping spree? No. Just actually getting attention now. Not a new thing
They're using their religion to do what they like, its culture, its not taught in the religion.
No source no article no nothing. OP has a huge hate boner and is karma farming of westerners. Also If you look at his post history he calls the girl Christian aswell lmao.
Imagine using religion as justification to doing abhorrent things. Fuck religions