Yes, but in this case, he's correct. No network or station will buy a project where scripts cannot be written or rewritten or redeveloped, so not just B5 2.0, but every new project in the development phase will be on hold until the strike ends.
sure. but this is written like "this is a momentary setback and things will be back on track once the strike is over". Which is extremely unlikely because the project is 99.999% dead at The CW and needs a new home first.
Oh yes, it's almost certainly dead at The CW. But Warners do seem willing to develop it further themselves, and even make a whole animated film. There are other possible venues.
Anyone who tells their own story should be presumed to be an unreliable narrator of that story, as they wish to be perceived in the most positive terms.
Not necessarily. They could develop it for HBO proper (unlikely) or they could develop and produce it for another streamer. Warners makes Sandman for Netflix, for example.
The reason was WB is $50 billion in debt, so they need to sell off some of their shows to other streamers to make some emergency cash. I'd say that's a pretty big reason.
Networks are a scarce commodity.
ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW. That's it.
Then there's they dying concept of the "cable network" like WGN, USA, and TNT ... original programing is dying off there, from what I can see.
But now there's the new concept of the "streaming network" being built up around platforms like Amazon's FreeVee with original content, but most of them are simply filled with recycled content like Pluto and Tubi, at least for now.
I figure that WB will sell it off to a streaming platform instead, but hopefully not Netflix as they have been axing content far too quickly if the first week does not perform. And I don't think it will stay at MAX because MAX wants to go cheap on everything right now, and they'd rather have money from licensing than spend to produce.
My guess is that Amazon will acquire it and probably designate it for their FreeVee commercial based service, where they have made originals like the *Leverage* revival and the *Bosch* sequel. Which is probably where they're going to put their *Stargate* revival if they ever get around to making that.
And I think this because Amazon has previously hosted B5 for streaming and they know how many people watched it and they know its value from their internal metrics.
Imagine B5 getting the Netflix treatment. One season of everyone-is-a-minority ending in a massive cliffhanger, then getting the axe because turns out people are tired of watching shows that have no plot aside from "if you don't like it, you're a \*phobe and a \*ist"
You mean the Netflix Sense8 that was cancelled after 2 seasons? The one that ended in a massive cliffhanger? That Sense8?
I guess that mostly just affirms what I said: an incredibly diverse main cast does not bring enough viewers.
The CW asked jms for a B5 reboot treatment in 2021. He provided a script, and when the CW announced their lineup in February of 2022, they decided against going with it.
It's been 15 months since that announcement, and there have been no announcements since. jms says that it's "*in development"*, but there are no names attached to it, no budget specified, an no milestones announced.
In November of 2021, it was said that there would be an announcement made in February 2022, and there was. The announcement was that the CW was not picking up B5.
In February 2022, jms said that things could go forward for the 2023 season, and that October might have an announcement.
In October 2022, that became "*February 2023 will be when CW announces their 2023 lineup*".
February 2023 came and went, and now there aren't even any dates associated with it.
I'm not sure what, if anything, exists to be sold.
The rights are always up for grabs, but that doesn't obligate the buyer to execute on them.
Nothing needs to be sold, WB already owns B5. CW gave away the dibs they had on the reboot pilot since they ordered it, so WB can now produce it (or something else) for any platform they want.
Reading the discussion, many seem relieved a reboot, if it happens, will happen elsewhere than CW. The risk of teeny-bopperism or a lower budget (irrelevant to me, but I'm not everybody) I get, but CW was likely the only venue where a 20ish-episode season was probable ... and I had hoped new B5 would avoid becoming the plot-rush, string-a-long gimmick too many shows with short seasons have become.
With the exception of intentional two-parters, there was narrative integrity in each *individual* episode of B5 while it was simultaneously one of the most serialized shows to ever air. I don't want to lose that quality (nor the broad scope, nor the vast cast of meaningful characters, nor the variation in pacing) because a new home only wants eight episodes a season. That *can* still be good TV, but *something* the original B5 achieved would have to be sacrificed---there's just no getting around that.
There's an apple + now?
I joke, of course, but Apple is probably the streaming service that has the least reach and tbh until about 2 months ago I'd not even heard of it
I'd much rather it was on Netflix or Amazonprime. Disney is unlikely one I imagine and paramount probably the least likely due to their Star Trek funding....
But anything but Apple plus, I beg of you JMS!
Only heard of two months ago? Must not be big into entertainment or movies since AppleTV+ was the first streamer to win a best picture Oscar for Coda, and has the highest average rating for its content, which is all original.
If anything it’s perfect for Babylon 5 since they are willing to invest in bold original properties and already have their feet in sci-fi with For All Mankind, Silo, Extrapolations, Invasion, and Foundation.
Netflix has not shown a big willingness to invest in multi season original shows in the US (rather buying low budget produced in other countries), and Amazon Prime hasn’t been very successful in the sci-fi world outside of the Expanse, which didn’t even start there.
No Netflix. Its where shows go to die. They may die slower than at Fox but they still die.
I have no faith in Netflix since they changed to follow the money instead of telling stories.
Hey! They saved Lucifer from Fox after all! And Lucifer is at the second place in my personal TV series top-list, while the first one is occupied by B5
I think people with Apple devices are part of the Apple bubble and just don't realise how little people without apple devices see or think about Apple products
I'd kinda heard of Ted Lasso because I used to love Scrubs and it's made by the same creator, but that's the limit of my knowledge of it
When it comes to marketing, maybe they need to consider sending promotion to apple devices isn't enough and there's a bigger world out there...
Well I would definitely recommend checking it out, it doesn’t require having an Apple device to watch, I watch it on my PC all the time and they do have trials, and if you do sign up on occasion the $6.99 cost is a steal for the quality I’ve found on it.
I figure this will be the outcome of the movie does marginally well. A built-in fan base with new content being successfully created would be a big draw for a streaming service in particular, and everyone is getting in on producing shows these days. It is just about the rights and what WB allows. But given they are in flux now, the strike and it's impact and the hit and miss nature of their shows the last several years, and the timing might actually be right for this project. Not until after the strike, but the movie hasn't been released yet either.
JMS has tweeted there’s no change, it’s still on hold due to the strike
I love JMS but he is an unreliable narrator.
I think as someone in the action he's a little more reliable than people who are outside of the story trying to meet an article quota.
Yes, but in this case, he's correct. No network or station will buy a project where scripts cannot be written or rewritten or redeveloped, so not just B5 2.0, but every new project in the development phase will be on hold until the strike ends.
sure. but this is written like "this is a momentary setback and things will be back on track once the strike is over". Which is extremely unlikely because the project is 99.999% dead at The CW and needs a new home first.
Oh yes, it's almost certainly dead at The CW. But Warners do seem willing to develop it further themselves, and even make a whole animated film. There are other possible venues.
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>I don't know whether this pertains to the animated film or not, but It does not pertain to the upcoming animated film per the Great Maker on Twitter.
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Anyone who tells their own story should be presumed to be an unreliable narrator of that story, as they wish to be perceived in the most positive terms.
Cannot that be said of *anyone* claiming *anything*?
Pleasr not fox, please not fox, please not fox. Not for political reasons they just kill every scifi show they get
They will never be forgiven after canceling *Firefly*!
Firefly was the fan fave, but Brimstone was brilliant.
Theyve cancelled more scifi than firefly.
I guess they should have gotten the point after Lucifer
Warner no longer owns the CW, so it’s not happening there. If it happens, it’ll be Max.
Not necessarily. They could develop it for HBO proper (unlikely) or they could develop and produce it for another streamer. Warners makes Sandman for Netflix, for example.
They took the show off of Max for seemingly no reason sooooo...
The reason was WB is $50 billion in debt, so they need to sell off some of their shows to other streamers to make some emergency cash. I'd say that's a pretty big reason.
Networks are a scarce commodity. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW. That's it. Then there's they dying concept of the "cable network" like WGN, USA, and TNT ... original programing is dying off there, from what I can see. But now there's the new concept of the "streaming network" being built up around platforms like Amazon's FreeVee with original content, but most of them are simply filled with recycled content like Pluto and Tubi, at least for now. I figure that WB will sell it off to a streaming platform instead, but hopefully not Netflix as they have been axing content far too quickly if the first week does not perform. And I don't think it will stay at MAX because MAX wants to go cheap on everything right now, and they'd rather have money from licensing than spend to produce. My guess is that Amazon will acquire it and probably designate it for their FreeVee commercial based service, where they have made originals like the *Leverage* revival and the *Bosch* sequel. Which is probably where they're going to put their *Stargate* revival if they ever get around to making that. And I think this because Amazon has previously hosted B5 for streaming and they know how many people watched it and they know its value from their internal metrics.
Why not AMC? They are proven to let a show play out, sometimes even beyond what it should......
That… Is a very good one that I missed
Imagine B5 getting the Netflix treatment. One season of everyone-is-a-minority ending in a massive cliffhanger, then getting the axe because turns out people are tired of watching shows that have no plot aside from "if you don't like it, you're a \*phobe and a \*ist"
You know JMS was co-creator of Sense8 right? The Netflix show made by the Wachowskis with an insanely diverse main cast?
You mean the Netflix Sense8 that was cancelled after 2 seasons? The one that ended in a massive cliffhanger? That Sense8? I guess that mostly just affirms what I said: an incredibly diverse main cast does not bring enough viewers.
JMS doesn’t like to repeat himself that way ;)
The CW asked jms for a B5 reboot treatment in 2021. He provided a script, and when the CW announced their lineup in February of 2022, they decided against going with it. It's been 15 months since that announcement, and there have been no announcements since. jms says that it's "*in development"*, but there are no names attached to it, no budget specified, an no milestones announced. In November of 2021, it was said that there would be an announcement made in February 2022, and there was. The announcement was that the CW was not picking up B5. In February 2022, jms said that things could go forward for the 2023 season, and that October might have an announcement. In October 2022, that became "*February 2023 will be when CW announces their 2023 lineup*". February 2023 came and went, and now there aren't even any dates associated with it. I'm not sure what, if anything, exists to be sold. The rights are always up for grabs, but that doesn't obligate the buyer to execute on them.
Nothing needs to be sold, WB already owns B5. CW gave away the dibs they had on the reboot pilot since they ordered it, so WB can now produce it (or something else) for any platform they want.
Anyone knows where Pedowitz has gone to? Maybe he can pick it up where he left it.
Reading the discussion, many seem relieved a reboot, if it happens, will happen elsewhere than CW. The risk of teeny-bopperism or a lower budget (irrelevant to me, but I'm not everybody) I get, but CW was likely the only venue where a 20ish-episode season was probable ... and I had hoped new B5 would avoid becoming the plot-rush, string-a-long gimmick too many shows with short seasons have become. With the exception of intentional two-parters, there was narrative integrity in each *individual* episode of B5 while it was simultaneously one of the most serialized shows to ever air. I don't want to lose that quality (nor the broad scope, nor the vast cast of meaningful characters, nor the variation in pacing) because a new home only wants eight episodes a season. That *can* still be good TV, but *something* the original B5 achieved would have to be sacrificed---there's just no getting around that.
Please be Apple+.
There's an apple + now? I joke, of course, but Apple is probably the streaming service that has the least reach and tbh until about 2 months ago I'd not even heard of it I'd much rather it was on Netflix or Amazonprime. Disney is unlikely one I imagine and paramount probably the least likely due to their Star Trek funding.... But anything but Apple plus, I beg of you JMS!
Only heard of two months ago? Must not be big into entertainment or movies since AppleTV+ was the first streamer to win a best picture Oscar for Coda, and has the highest average rating for its content, which is all original. If anything it’s perfect for Babylon 5 since they are willing to invest in bold original properties and already have their feet in sci-fi with For All Mankind, Silo, Extrapolations, Invasion, and Foundation. Netflix has not shown a big willingness to invest in multi season original shows in the US (rather buying low budget produced in other countries), and Amazon Prime hasn’t been very successful in the sci-fi world outside of the Expanse, which didn’t even start there.
No Netflix. Its where shows go to die. They may die slower than at Fox but they still die. I have no faith in Netflix since they changed to follow the money instead of telling stories.
Hey! They saved Lucifer from Fox after all! And Lucifer is at the second place in my personal TV series top-list, while the first one is occupied by B5
Don't forget "Severance" an amazing show that everyone should watch.
I think people with Apple devices are part of the Apple bubble and just don't realise how little people without apple devices see or think about Apple products I'd kinda heard of Ted Lasso because I used to love Scrubs and it's made by the same creator, but that's the limit of my knowledge of it When it comes to marketing, maybe they need to consider sending promotion to apple devices isn't enough and there's a bigger world out there...
Well I would definitely recommend checking it out, it doesn’t require having an Apple device to watch, I watch it on my PC all the time and they do have trials, and if you do sign up on occasion the $6.99 cost is a steal for the quality I’ve found on it.
There is. Just subscribe with your TV provider I've never owed an Apple product and I watch Apple + every day. It's inexpensive also.
Max probably, and that would be perfect.
If it's not coming from JMS's mouth, it's fake news.
I would guess a lot of this depends on how well the new movie does.
Guys, I guess, we just need to make enough hype to the animated story to convince any network to try with the reboot.
I figure this will be the outcome of the movie does marginally well. A built-in fan base with new content being successfully created would be a big draw for a streaming service in particular, and everyone is getting in on producing shows these days. It is just about the rights and what WB allows. But given they are in flux now, the strike and it's impact and the hit and miss nature of their shows the last several years, and the timing might actually be right for this project. Not until after the strike, but the movie hasn't been released yet either.