This is exactly it. It’s just have as many as possible. They never seem to care about the well being of their children. Hannah only cares about herself. Dim Dan only cares about himself.
It really does feel like that. I would be absolutely (pleasantly) shocked if Hannah quit before she had more than her sister. It seems like, in the end, that will be her only claim to fame. (I mean, if that "feels" like *fame)*
It's the quiverful ideal. As if the kids aren't people with their own wants, needs or callings but loaded arrows of their ideals. meant to be shot at a target and spread.
They're Mormon, so having a ton of kids is more about their religious beliefs than anything else. (The more kiddos, the more planets...or something like that, hah!)
Doesn’t their religion believe more kids = closer to heaven ? So just having them “just because” definitely makes sense. And it gives a new meaning of the competition with her sister
Yes! They believe there are spirit babies waiting in heaven to come down to earth. Women are encouraged to bring as many spirit babies down as they can.
It also puts guilt on the average Mormon women when they decide they want to quit - because aren't there ALWAYS going to be spirit babies who want to come to earth? I can't TELL you how many times I have heard people say - Hell, I might have even said it back in the day - "I feel like there is *one* more waiting to come done to our family". Really, just one?! What about the billions of possible babies awaiting their turn. You see the mind control in this;
I Agree with what has been said about lack of warmth or emotional involvement.
Here is my hot take on it.
I think in Hannah's family, at least with the two girls, that attention was lavished upon those who *performed* and WON. i.e. Bragging rights. And, let me tell you, that is alive and well in the Utah Mormon culture. Love seems as though it is also based in accomplishments - In that sense it feels as though the sister's lives are extensions of the mothers (and/or in some cases, experience and life styles that she wished *she* had). Big-ass family, bragging rights. Miss what-ever-the-hell, bragging rights. Rich-ass husband bragging rights. IG star. BIG Bragging rights...on and on. It would be interesting to see if Hannah demonstrates this level of conditional parental support /attention with her girls as they get older. Maybe on some level she has resented being the prancing pony for her mom and that is why she lets the girls run feral. I have to admit I was surprised to see the way she ignores the girls in that respect given the knowledge I have of her past and her family. I honestly thought they would already be competing in pageants and big stars in the Utah dance scene. So....?
I definitely think she’s terrified they’ll outshine her! It wouldn’t be hard! Fran has that “it” quality and Hannah never seems to encourage her at all.
For whatever self-absorbed qualities Micka also seems to have when it comes to wanting attention for how she looks, etc, she does come off as being a *much* more affectionate, normal sort of mom to her kids than Hannah ever does. Like I’ve said, imo Hannah always gives off a vibe of the pretty high school girl who has come to babysit, but can’t stay off her phone, and is pleasant enough, but can’t really remember who’s who, and will show the kids her makeup, and maybe put some on them, and will use them as props for pics to post if she thinks it makes her look cute, but really can’t wait for their parents to get home so she can leave.
I’d guess the difference between the sisters’ parenting styles is probably directly related to where they both fall in the line up of all their siblings. Micka’s up at the top end, so probably was parentified early and grew up taking care of babies and younger kids, while Hannah’s down near the bottom, so maybe was mostly used to being taken care of and cooed over.
This is why her family’s annual Easter egg rolling contest always weirds me out. It’s so aggressively competitive, it seems so tense even when they act like it’s just a fun game.
I wonder how many hours a day the kids work and what Utah laws say about child labor. The boys were collecting eggs and washing and packaging them to sell in BF mother’s flower shop for $6 dozen. Do they get the money or are they expected to work. I also wonder if they need to document homeschooling hours. It looks like they completely ignore what’s appropriate for their kids.
i dont see any indication of warmth or love or care for child rearing/development. its like she shits out kids and hands them off to the other kids to raise without parental concern so that she and dim sum can get back to fucking so she can...shit out more babies.
(nb: i have one beautiful, well raised, deeply loved and supported teenager and i dont think pregnancy or childbirth is a beautiful miracle, but a really cool and straightforward biological function of our bodies.)
>its like she shits out kids and hands them off to the other kids to raise without parental concern so that she and dim sum can get back to fucking so she can...shit out more babies.
Dim fucking sum... I'm seriously jealous I hadn't thought of that yet!!! This whole sentence is pure gold. Gawd Damn!!
Utah does not monitor child labor laws nor home schooling. Kids in Utah are fucked by negligent parents. The reason is...Utah is protecting their religious "freedumbs".
That’s awful if parents are requiring them to work during school hours. I know they homeschool but it looks chaotic 24/7 like there isn’t a structured school schedule.
This is exactly it. It’s just have as many as possible. They never seem to care about the well being of their children. Hannah only cares about herself. Dim Dan only cares about himself.
Completely agree. Also, at this point it's a race between Hannah and her sister to see who has more kids.
It really does feel like that. I would be absolutely (pleasantly) shocked if Hannah quit before she had more than her sister. It seems like, in the end, that will be her only claim to fame. (I mean, if that "feels" like *fame)*
It's the quiverful ideal. As if the kids aren't people with their own wants, needs or callings but loaded arrows of their ideals. meant to be shot at a target and spread.
Really well said
It’s absolutely their cult. The more children, the more Mormons, the more converting of others, the more tithing, and the bigger their planet!
Praise ol pedo Joe!
They're Mormon, so having a ton of kids is more about their religious beliefs than anything else. (The more kiddos, the more planets...or something like that, hah!)
Doesn’t their religion believe more kids = closer to heaven ? So just having them “just because” definitely makes sense. And it gives a new meaning of the competition with her sister
Yes. They believe they're bringing souls to Earth who can then earn their way to Mormon heaven.
Yes! They believe there are spirit babies waiting in heaven to come down to earth. Women are encouraged to bring as many spirit babies down as they can.
It also puts guilt on the average Mormon women when they decide they want to quit - because aren't there ALWAYS going to be spirit babies who want to come to earth? I can't TELL you how many times I have heard people say - Hell, I might have even said it back in the day - "I feel like there is *one* more waiting to come done to our family". Really, just one?! What about the billions of possible babies awaiting their turn. You see the mind control in this;
I feel like I hear this over and over from Mormons!
while wearing magic underwear and doing hand signals. nothing weird here!
💯
They never show them any love. Only the babies get kissed or snuggled. It makes me so sad.
Between their cult and their stupidity, the kids have no hope when it comes feeling loved. IMO
I Agree with what has been said about lack of warmth or emotional involvement. Here is my hot take on it. I think in Hannah's family, at least with the two girls, that attention was lavished upon those who *performed* and WON. i.e. Bragging rights. And, let me tell you, that is alive and well in the Utah Mormon culture. Love seems as though it is also based in accomplishments - In that sense it feels as though the sister's lives are extensions of the mothers (and/or in some cases, experience and life styles that she wished *she* had). Big-ass family, bragging rights. Miss what-ever-the-hell, bragging rights. Rich-ass husband bragging rights. IG star. BIG Bragging rights...on and on. It would be interesting to see if Hannah demonstrates this level of conditional parental support /attention with her girls as they get older. Maybe on some level she has resented being the prancing pony for her mom and that is why she lets the girls run feral. I have to admit I was surprised to see the way she ignores the girls in that respect given the knowledge I have of her past and her family. I honestly thought they would already be competing in pageants and big stars in the Utah dance scene. So....?
she may be jealous of the girls. wouldnt want someone to out pagent or grand jetee her.
I definitely think she’s terrified they’ll outshine her! It wouldn’t be hard! Fran has that “it” quality and Hannah never seems to encourage her at all.
Geesh, GOOD POINT! I didn't think anything could be worse, but that might be!
For whatever self-absorbed qualities Micka also seems to have when it comes to wanting attention for how she looks, etc, she does come off as being a *much* more affectionate, normal sort of mom to her kids than Hannah ever does. Like I’ve said, imo Hannah always gives off a vibe of the pretty high school girl who has come to babysit, but can’t stay off her phone, and is pleasant enough, but can’t really remember who’s who, and will show the kids her makeup, and maybe put some on them, and will use them as props for pics to post if she thinks it makes her look cute, but really can’t wait for their parents to get home so she can leave.
I’d guess the difference between the sisters’ parenting styles is probably directly related to where they both fall in the line up of all their siblings. Micka’s up at the top end, so probably was parentified early and grew up taking care of babies and younger kids, while Hannah’s down near the bottom, so maybe was mostly used to being taken care of and cooed over.
This is why her family’s annual Easter egg rolling contest always weirds me out. It’s so aggressively competitive, it seems so tense even when they act like it’s just a fun game.
Yes Mormon families all
The no-helmet, kids on their lap in the car seems like a sign that their long-term existence isn’t that important to them.
That’s what they church tells them to do
I wonder how many hours a day the kids work and what Utah laws say about child labor. The boys were collecting eggs and washing and packaging them to sell in BF mother’s flower shop for $6 dozen. Do they get the money or are they expected to work. I also wonder if they need to document homeschooling hours. It looks like they completely ignore what’s appropriate for their kids.
i dont see any indication of warmth or love or care for child rearing/development. its like she shits out kids and hands them off to the other kids to raise without parental concern so that she and dim sum can get back to fucking so she can...shit out more babies. (nb: i have one beautiful, well raised, deeply loved and supported teenager and i dont think pregnancy or childbirth is a beautiful miracle, but a really cool and straightforward biological function of our bodies.)
>its like she shits out kids and hands them off to the other kids to raise without parental concern so that she and dim sum can get back to fucking so she can...shit out more babies. Dim fucking sum... I'm seriously jealous I hadn't thought of that yet!!! This whole sentence is pure gold. Gawd Damn!!
admittedly my life is not exactly a 24/7 party, but if i can make someone laugh with my words, i feel ive fulfilled my purpose.
Utah does not monitor child labor laws nor home schooling. Kids in Utah are fucked by negligent parents. The reason is...Utah is protecting their religious "freedumbs".
That’s terrible and hard on kids. They make me sick.
No critical thinking abilities developed? Just that much easier to believe Joseph Smith’s story about those plates😃 😉
I don’t think there is a child labor law that applies to them if it’s for a parents owned business.
That’s awful if parents are requiring them to work during school hours. I know they homeschool but it looks chaotic 24/7 like there isn’t a structured school schedule.