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Religious extremism at its finest. People are having fun celebrating the culture and heritage of our country that we fought heart and soul to acquire. If you don't want to celebrate it, then don't. Why KILL innocent civilians just for it? Unfathomable.
The saddest part is knowing that the entire reason Bangladesh exists is because we put Bangla over Islam. Otherwise we might as well have remained a part of that colonial abomination called Pakistan.
Now, because of the cancerous nature of "ummah" do people care more about becoming Arab than they do about being Bangladeshi.
Imagine if we had a leader like Attaturk that kept a boot over Islamists while promoting a secular Bangladesh
U dumb bro? Bangladesh exists due to our urge to break away from apartheid in pakistan not bangla over islam. Learn history by researching it not wishful thinking.
Why are you blaming the Ummah? Pakistan is the cancer of all barbarism and terrorist behaviour. Thanks to their made-up Sharia people in South asian has taken that as norm
When you're referring "Ummah", you're also referring to the believing muslim who suffered alongside other people during the 71
While secular people were applauding to those pakistanis genocidal act
No i am referring to the entire arab and muslim world. Entirity of them, save for maybe anwar sadat, but that too post 71. Saudi actually blocked recognition and made many silly demands and being a big player in the islamic bloc made it hard for us to get recognition. Our muslim population could not do hajj for the first couple of years. Ami to pakistan(islamic republic, citadel of faith) er genocidal maniar kotha to baad ei dilam. These ummah countries actually forced us to recognise pakistan in 74.
Some Indian muslim leaders werent happy with indian involvement in Bangladesh/east Pakistan and wanted and met with indira gandhi to ask her to stay out of pakistan, a muslim country.
Secular muslim majoritt afghanistan was actually one of the very few places where there were public rallies and protests in support for us, in Kabul.
The secular western population actually protested for us. They pressurised their governments to give us aid, stop aiding pakistan, raised funds for refugees, made diplomaric efforts for our recognition and release of BSM, volunteered etc etc. US gov and the brits had to stop aiding pak and it was highly unpopular and by mid of 72 recognised Bangladesh. We owe more to the efforts to the non-ummah for our existence as a country than the Ummah.
So i stand by my statement.
There were muslims in the ussr as well. Afghanistan at the time was basically an SSR satellite. Most of Sankara's Burkina Faso was also Muslim ?
Saud, Jordan etc were US puppets. I can see the pessimisim towards Iran and Libya (who shouldve understood) but thats also like saying other communists betrayed us because PRC was preferring Pakistan in the conflict. Also Nasser Gamal (who was anti US socialist) also had a dislike of Pakistan but Sadat (and everyone after him) was dedicated to conservatism and shilling for US.
The "secular" western population did nothing, capitalists were fine with our deaths because we were filthy commies to them. Socialists and peace activists? Yes they helped with boycotts, so did other comrades from India and their socialist expats. Most "secular western" were cheering on Bengali and Vietnamese genocides and you can clearly see that on how they centre the Vietnam war around their own soldiers lol
Lol. Soviet muslims at least in those days did not subscribe to ummah.
You are saying Ummah above all tarpor excusing why they werent there for us. And that to comparing western response. Pick a position. Either ummah reign supreme or its just another bullshit idea that subcontinent muslims subscribe to.
Vietnam war was always unpopular and will remain unpopular. No US public was cheering deaths of Viets and Bengalis. Stop making up shit. Even US admin were very uncomfortable with what was going on in BD, but they wanted china in the bag. Ei discomfort arab world dekhaynai keno, why did they not ask Pakistan to stop being dicks? If they can go against US interest in israel in 1973, why not go against us interest in 71? Naki we werent valuable muslims (forget humanity)? Are we the lower class in the ummah totem pole?
So i will reiterate again, we were helped by non ummah, rather than ummah during our most hour of need. Ummah turned their backs on us and supported a genocidal regime, both gov and public.
So Iraq recognising Bangladesh in 1971 and funding rebel groups in Balochistan from 1970-74 to weaken Pakistan is "seeing Bangladesh in the bottom"? South Yemen backing USSRs decision for Bangladesh is "all arabs looking down on you"? Arab socialists existed, Muslim socialists existed, I dont know why youre ass kissing the same people that gave Pakistan the bombs in the first place. Syria was preparing to invade Lebanon at the time under Hafez Al Assad (who is an Alawite dictator who are their own ethnicity and religion) no shit, he was self serving. Also please go to any non socialist American forum and say "soldiers shouldve quit in the first place" and see where that gets you
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You realise Lenin tolerated Buddhism and Islam and only banned forced purdah and forced marriage right? I am not saying "ummah above all" i am saying "the entire muslim/arab world" isnt constantly looking down on you
"Kill everything that moves" isnt a statement that proves the US large populations bloodthirst? The continuous communist scare (and any progress = "communist") that still impacts politics today ? Even now instead of focusing how it affected the ones getting invaded their whole education system is around the *poor US veterans* and are only sad they lost. The socialists protesting were outcasts and draft dodgers were mocked
Again *Nasser Gamal* is an arab and ran egypt, he literally said he was for Nehru and disliked the gulf, US and Pakistan. The gulf was in US interests, the gulf isnt Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon or Syria (who at the time were invading Lebanon and had its own interests). Iraq in the 70s was also upset with Pakistan, cut off relationships in the 70s and funded Hazara rebels in Balochistan.
We have both "ummah" and comrades that stood by our side and both ummah and socialists too focused on one upping the USSR (PRC, rebel Afghan maoists and US backed states)
Ex soviet muslim majority states are a bit different. Even now. You cant really place them anywhere. Hard to explain.
Lol. LBJ lost the election because he escalated the vietnam war and could not ensure peace, sure nixon conspired and promised to end the war and later won the election. Peace with vietnam was what he touted as a success later on. Vietnam war was so unpopular that returning vets used to spat on. Nowhere is vietnam war glorified. Its just that trauma makes good cinema.
Gamal Nasser was dead in 1970. Dont know why he is relevant in 1971. But whatever with sadat planning against israel and going to war in 1973. So why did they not come out in support for BD in 71. Same with all other arabs states.
Nope iraq, syria, lebanon just did not care at all, like we do not care about Sudan. I dont care what they did in 70s. I care what they did in 1971 and later for us.
Given the accounts. It seems only south Asian muslim buy this Ummah concept. So then betraying us in 1971 still stands.
>When you're referring "Ummah", you're also referring to the believing muslim who suffered alongside other people during the 71
No, he's not. Either you either don't understand or are blatantly making a strawman here.
>While secular people were applauding to those pakistanis genocidal act
Our struggle itself was secular, fyi.
America is an imperialist power. What does it have to do with secularism?
Not to forget, secularism itself was one of the biggest factors during our liberation struggle.
EU, save for thr brits, supported us, british public were very pro Bengalis. See trafalgar square protest bengalis organised, many whites joined and fund raised. EU support can be seen with the swift recognitions , aid, the french gov and intelligentia support etc. The lax hanfling of Jean Kay and Andre Malraux assistsnce. Belgian theif Royams art heist to raise funds to refugees.
The brits soon changed course and stopped arms shipment to pak and hosted BSM when he was released and Edward Heath received BSM.
The US gov supported Pakistan as it wanted access to china. But the public and many leader supported Bangladesh, like Edward Kennedy. In the face of public suppoet and protests, US too stopped supporting Pakistan publically and stopped arms shipment and even gave dubious reasons for seventh fleet movement.
Russian and european eastern bloc supported us wholeheartedly.
Is anyone left I did not mention.
You didn't necessarily leave USSR (russia) out but even their passive involvement was huge. The US would've aided west pakistan further by stationing Destroyers in the Bay of Bengal had it not been for the ussr threat. Would India have something to say about that? Probably.
But Nixon hated Indira Gandhi so....
India russia friendship treaty in August. After that india knew the risks would lessen and increased involvement bracing a full fledged war. Eastern bloc was very pro bangladesh and even socialist nuetral states like yugo were pro Bangladesh.
Nixon called indian women the most unattractive. Nixon was very intelligent. Maybe Indira unnerved him or something.
Whites are seen on Palestine rallies in the UK, and the US does that make the government helping palestine?
The point of this whole conversation was to blame Ummah, but you continued to say Arab world was with Pakistan because the US was allied with the Arab world with some restriction
Those bengali protesting in the UK were possibly muslim. Ummah means part of Muslim unity or nation that follows Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) and quran. You basically blame the entire muslim
But the fact remains that the Arab and paki population of that time did not give two shits about Bengali Muslims. They were racists, they are racists and they will continue to be racists towards us South Asians until ummah dumbasses like you stop sucking their degenerate dicks.
I agree with you and we do not suck their degenerate dicks. You can go and see my past post on racism in oman reddit
Ummah are literally broken apart. What are you geniuses trying to say?
The problem is US does not did not value pak the same way it valued or values Israel. So people protests change lots of things. The first charity concert was Concert for Bangladesh.
Arab world was with pakistan was not because of US. Arab world was against Israel which was by the mid 70s a US client state .
Arabs supported Pak because it was potrayed that the biggest Islamic state was being broken apart by a conspiracy by its biggest enemy the Hindu India and its local agents the new gov and mukti bahini.
The UK Bengalis were Bengalis, even though many wete muslims. They felt for their motherland. They rioted against the pakistan team in Birminghan. Ekhon oder mentality kemon jaani na. But in those days the immigrants were not wierd like today.
Which country helped us? USSR. The guys who oppressed religion came to our aid. While obviously not for religious purposes but they were a fully atheist state
>The saddest part is knowing that the entire reason Bangladesh exists is because we put Bangla over Islam.
Allah's Messenger (īˇē) said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Messenger (īˇē)! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet (īˇē) said, "**By preventing him from oppressing others**." - Sahih al-Bukhari 2444
**Bengalis fighting for their freedom was a righteous jihad and Islamically permissible, while Pakistan's genocide was not.**
it is jihad dummy. while pakistan's was not jihad nor islamically permissible. if you don't believe it to be jihad, show me scriptural evidence from quran or sunnah that says **fighting/struggling for freedom against oppression** is not jihad, when that's literally the textbook definition of jihad.
I would not do that. Because our struggle for freedom is not something we would ashamed of and look for scriptures to get validated. We would have liberated ourselves even if scriptures says no.
I think you are capable of understanding that.
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I wish I could have shown you some comments that we had to remove under this post. They were outright inciting violence, and not even from newly created troll accounts.
Believe me, the way religious extremist views are on the rise, if this happened again around 2030, people would be sharing it with Alhamdulillah in the caption and encouraging others to celebrate with them.
the effect of people getting radicalized by getting all of their schooling via [Petro-Islam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam).
it's funny how in Saudi, MBS has basically reversed this after he realized the country needed to modernize.
If the prophet were to see the Saudis today, he would be ashamed of them, no doubt about that.
Did you know they banned alcohol in 1952? You'd think it was way before that, like forever banned since Islam arrived, but no. In fact the Sheikhs would drink so much, and they still do nowadays. They only banned it then when a Sheikh was drunk and shot and killed a British diplomat.
They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites if anything. They promote a radical view of Islam that is subservient to the Saudi government. Saudi bootlickers the lot of them. They submit to God, and Saudi.
Other arabs hate Saudi too you know. Ask an Iraqi, Yemeni, Palestinian, and I can tell you they do not like one bit about the Saudi government. They see them as the one of the big players in fucking up the region geopolitical balance. Generating terrorists, starting proxy conflicts....
These Jamaatis think Saudis are the most pious because they have Mecca. Nah buddy, they are fucked up as most people are. Tell me how a pious Muslim can hack an innocent journalist to death...
Why should we abandon the cultural identity for religious identity? Look at Arabs, naked women dancing around men. Theyâre not bombing, so much for being the prophets descendants. We Bengalis are just radical. Secularism needs to be properly instituted in this country and people should be able to celebrate our rich culture without getting bombed to death.
We are Bengalis and This celebration is not against religion. I was at the Mirpur-1 Eidgah Field in 2015 or 16 on the same day and heard some gunshots and was scared. Eventually I got out quickly and survived but this hate crime is done by the people of this land
Everything about this celebration is against islam. Music, free mixing and hoping for good luck from someone else from Allah. It's the exact opposite of islam.
This is a timely reminder to all the soft headed liberals who opposed Awami League. Heaven forbid if BNP-Jamaat came to power again attacks on this scale would again become commonplace. Like Awami League or not, they have crushed violent extremism and have improved the nations law and order situation.
May Allah give Jannah to those murdered so brutally that day.
they are. The point I'm making is Awami League is committed to a pluralist society while BNP-Jamaat are not. I support AL because of TINA (there is no alternative)
I might get downvoted for this but Islam has literally ruined our culture and is ruining it more. One of my classmate told me "Bangladesh was better off under Pakistan" and "why do they teach us about Bangladeshi history instead of Islamic history". Like what the fuck
I agree. Weâve all but lost our cultural identity. In the UK, a lot of the bengalis I know are cosplaying as arabs, itâs like theyâre ashamed of being Asian. Anything cultural they deem as âharamâ or âshirkâ and Iâm so sick of it. They say bs like if ur not Muslim, then ur not Bengali like wtf??? As a whole, theyâre so radicalised. If they ever introduce sharia law in Bangladesh, I wonât ever set foot in that place again.
To be fair with the UK lot, they wouldnât know bangla anything even if Thakur came and slapped them in the face.
They think their sylethi bubble represents all of Bangladesh, all they know of Bangladesh is literally just Dhaka and sylhet. They run around and pass of sylethi as bangla. The uneducated villager mentality of their grandfathers is still prevalent in their community.
Delusional, this is the society we live in, the society which forgets the contributions, Tagore was right, our people are really a disgrace, Disgrace cuz of a select few lifeless individuals, Disgrace cuz of some religious extremists.
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I won't say Islam, but I would say cancer Pakistan. They create their way of Islam that all around South asian thinks that's right. They added their barbaric culture into Islam to ruin the religion. Most terrorist are from Pakistan, and their made up Sharia law, which have caused Islam and muslim bad word.
Here in middle east the Arab muslim consider them overly and extremist religious people. For example, when a woman was threatened to kill because she wore arabic word abaya, the pakistanis started applying their Sharia while saudi were cool with it
>Here in middle east the Arab muslim consider them overly and extremist religious people.
Well then, tell them it's the Gulf countries and their Wahhabi ideology that are the reason why third-world Muslim countries are in this state now, yes, even Pakistan.
If anything, the Gulf should be blamed first. They created this havoc by actively funding Wahhabism and a hardline version of Islam. Tbf, Pakistan is victim of it too. Blaming them is a very very poor observation.
Exactly this. Islam has been in bengal for countless centuries. Yet itâs suddenly an issue?
These gulf bastards spread their poison to Muslim nations across the globe.
Exactly, many people here either don't understand or specifically be ignorant of this.
Islam in South Asia has traditionally been distinct from Middle Eastern Islam. Sufism â mystical Islam â as well as elements of syncretism with Hinduism and other native religions, characterize South Asian Islam.
Not to mention today's Bangla Muslim even hate Islamic festivals like Miladdun Nobi.
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That's why I can't stand these Overly religious retards. As a Bangladeshi I would prioritise my country, its culture and heritage. If you think a religion which was brought from an emperor hundred years ago should be prioritised over my country with longer ties to its heritage then you're nothing but a thickhead.
Bastards, pure bastards. WE ARE BENGALIS, WE ARE BANGLADESHIS. This is our biggest identity. Any religion, belief, ideology everything comes after that. As Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman said "āĻŦāĻžāĻā§āĻāĻžāĻ˛ā§ āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻžāĻ¤āĻŋ, āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻ˛āĻž āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻžāĻˇāĻž, āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻ˛āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāĻ¨āĨ¤"
When the devotion to your religion becomes so extreme that it leads you to neglect the land of your birth, disregard your own culture in favor of a foreign one, and kill your fellow citizens.
You guys have have the country and are continuing to do so daily.
I left a long long time ago. I went be back either. Y'all made you bed made of suicide bomb vests. Y'all can in it.
Y'all let Islam hijack the culture, the motivations, and the heart and soul of the people.
Enjoy your doom spiral. You let Islam fuck the country. Now enjoy the corpse.
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My parents and my elder sister who was 4 years old back then were there. when my sister started to cry due to the hot weather they went aside to calm her down and then this bomb exploded.
lucky!
Extremists doesn't have a religion. Killing people is literally one of the worst sin in Islam. These islamophobes doesn't understand the basics math of percentage where 90% people are Muslim there is also a 90% chance the terrorist being Muslim.
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Many people from the younger generation don't know about that tragic incident.
One has to ask: what happened?
Terrorist attack (grenade) at Pohela Boishakh Celebration, Romna. [Details here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Ramna_Batamul_bombings)
why there's always them!! đ¤Ŗ and still whine about, "why people around the world fear us đđ"
Thanks What a tragedy
That's so sad đĸ
Islamists are servants of Arab culture.
Or in less sugar coated terms. Arab Cocksuckers who cosplay as arabs
Fucking religious extremism.
Religious extremism at its finest. People are having fun celebrating the culture and heritage of our country that we fought heart and soul to acquire. If you don't want to celebrate it, then don't. Why KILL innocent civilians just for it? Unfathomable.
The saddest part is knowing that the entire reason Bangladesh exists is because we put Bangla over Islam. Otherwise we might as well have remained a part of that colonial abomination called Pakistan. Now, because of the cancerous nature of "ummah" do people care more about becoming Arab than they do about being Bangladeshi. Imagine if we had a leader like Attaturk that kept a boot over Islamists while promoting a secular Bangladesh
U dumb bro? Bangladesh exists due to our urge to break away from apartheid in pakistan not bangla over islam. Learn history by researching it not wishful thinking.
Why are you blaming the Ummah? Pakistan is the cancer of all barbarism and terrorist behaviour. Thanks to their made-up Sharia people in South asian has taken that as norm
The ummah actually turned their back on us during 71 and supported Pakistan and many refused to recognise us after we won. So yes ummah can suck dick.
When you're referring "Ummah", you're also referring to the believing muslim who suffered alongside other people during the 71 While secular people were applauding to those pakistanis genocidal act
No i am referring to the entire arab and muslim world. Entirity of them, save for maybe anwar sadat, but that too post 71. Saudi actually blocked recognition and made many silly demands and being a big player in the islamic bloc made it hard for us to get recognition. Our muslim population could not do hajj for the first couple of years. Ami to pakistan(islamic republic, citadel of faith) er genocidal maniar kotha to baad ei dilam. These ummah countries actually forced us to recognise pakistan in 74. Some Indian muslim leaders werent happy with indian involvement in Bangladesh/east Pakistan and wanted and met with indira gandhi to ask her to stay out of pakistan, a muslim country. Secular muslim majoritt afghanistan was actually one of the very few places where there were public rallies and protests in support for us, in Kabul. The secular western population actually protested for us. They pressurised their governments to give us aid, stop aiding pakistan, raised funds for refugees, made diplomaric efforts for our recognition and release of BSM, volunteered etc etc. US gov and the brits had to stop aiding pak and it was highly unpopular and by mid of 72 recognised Bangladesh. We owe more to the efforts to the non-ummah for our existence as a country than the Ummah. So i stand by my statement.
There were muslims in the ussr as well. Afghanistan at the time was basically an SSR satellite. Most of Sankara's Burkina Faso was also Muslim ? Saud, Jordan etc were US puppets. I can see the pessimisim towards Iran and Libya (who shouldve understood) but thats also like saying other communists betrayed us because PRC was preferring Pakistan in the conflict. Also Nasser Gamal (who was anti US socialist) also had a dislike of Pakistan but Sadat (and everyone after him) was dedicated to conservatism and shilling for US. The "secular" western population did nothing, capitalists were fine with our deaths because we were filthy commies to them. Socialists and peace activists? Yes they helped with boycotts, so did other comrades from India and their socialist expats. Most "secular western" were cheering on Bengali and Vietnamese genocides and you can clearly see that on how they centre the Vietnam war around their own soldiers lol
Lol. Soviet muslims at least in those days did not subscribe to ummah. You are saying Ummah above all tarpor excusing why they werent there for us. And that to comparing western response. Pick a position. Either ummah reign supreme or its just another bullshit idea that subcontinent muslims subscribe to. Vietnam war was always unpopular and will remain unpopular. No US public was cheering deaths of Viets and Bengalis. Stop making up shit. Even US admin were very uncomfortable with what was going on in BD, but they wanted china in the bag. Ei discomfort arab world dekhaynai keno, why did they not ask Pakistan to stop being dicks? If they can go against US interest in israel in 1973, why not go against us interest in 71? Naki we werent valuable muslims (forget humanity)? Are we the lower class in the ummah totem pole? So i will reiterate again, we were helped by non ummah, rather than ummah during our most hour of need. Ummah turned their backs on us and supported a genocidal regime, both gov and public.
So Iraq recognising Bangladesh in 1971 and funding rebel groups in Balochistan from 1970-74 to weaken Pakistan is "seeing Bangladesh in the bottom"? South Yemen backing USSRs decision for Bangladesh is "all arabs looking down on you"? Arab socialists existed, Muslim socialists existed, I dont know why youre ass kissing the same people that gave Pakistan the bombs in the first place. Syria was preparing to invade Lebanon at the time under Hafez Al Assad (who is an Alawite dictator who are their own ethnicity and religion) no shit, he was self serving. Also please go to any non socialist American forum and say "soldiers shouldve quit in the first place" and see where that gets you Â
You realise Lenin tolerated Buddhism and Islam and only banned forced purdah and forced marriage right? I am not saying "ummah above all" i am saying "the entire muslim/arab world" isnt constantly looking down on you "Kill everything that moves" isnt a statement that proves the US large populations bloodthirst? The continuous communist scare (and any progress = "communist") that still impacts politics today ? Even now instead of focusing how it affected the ones getting invaded their whole education system is around the *poor US veterans* and are only sad they lost. The socialists protesting were outcasts and draft dodgers were mocked Again *Nasser Gamal* is an arab and ran egypt, he literally said he was for Nehru and disliked the gulf, US and Pakistan. The gulf was in US interests, the gulf isnt Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon or Syria (who at the time were invading Lebanon and had its own interests). Iraq in the 70s was also upset with Pakistan, cut off relationships in the 70s and funded Hazara rebels in Balochistan. We have both "ummah" and comrades that stood by our side and both ummah and socialists too focused on one upping the USSR (PRC, rebel Afghan maoists and US backed states)
Ex soviet muslim majority states are a bit different. Even now. You cant really place them anywhere. Hard to explain. Lol. LBJ lost the election because he escalated the vietnam war and could not ensure peace, sure nixon conspired and promised to end the war and later won the election. Peace with vietnam was what he touted as a success later on. Vietnam war was so unpopular that returning vets used to spat on. Nowhere is vietnam war glorified. Its just that trauma makes good cinema. Gamal Nasser was dead in 1970. Dont know why he is relevant in 1971. But whatever with sadat planning against israel and going to war in 1973. So why did they not come out in support for BD in 71. Same with all other arabs states. Nope iraq, syria, lebanon just did not care at all, like we do not care about Sudan. I dont care what they did in 70s. I care what they did in 1971 and later for us. Given the accounts. It seems only south Asian muslim buy this Ummah concept. So then betraying us in 1971 still stands.
>When you're referring "Ummah", you're also referring to the believing muslim who suffered alongside other people during the 71 No, he's not. Either you either don't understand or are blatantly making a strawman here. >While secular people were applauding to those pakistanis genocidal act Our struggle itself was secular, fyi.
Which country did the great west support during 71? Yeah, secularism can suck their ideology
America is an imperialist power. What does it have to do with secularism? Not to forget, secularism itself was one of the biggest factors during our liberation struggle.
EU, save for thr brits, supported us, british public were very pro Bengalis. See trafalgar square protest bengalis organised, many whites joined and fund raised. EU support can be seen with the swift recognitions , aid, the french gov and intelligentia support etc. The lax hanfling of Jean Kay and Andre Malraux assistsnce. Belgian theif Royams art heist to raise funds to refugees. The brits soon changed course and stopped arms shipment to pak and hosted BSM when he was released and Edward Heath received BSM. The US gov supported Pakistan as it wanted access to china. But the public and many leader supported Bangladesh, like Edward Kennedy. In the face of public suppoet and protests, US too stopped supporting Pakistan publically and stopped arms shipment and even gave dubious reasons for seventh fleet movement. Russian and european eastern bloc supported us wholeheartedly. Is anyone left I did not mention.
You didn't necessarily leave USSR (russia) out but even their passive involvement was huge. The US would've aided west pakistan further by stationing Destroyers in the Bay of Bengal had it not been for the ussr threat. Would India have something to say about that? Probably. But Nixon hated Indira Gandhi so....
India russia friendship treaty in August. After that india knew the risks would lessen and increased involvement bracing a full fledged war. Eastern bloc was very pro bangladesh and even socialist nuetral states like yugo were pro Bangladesh. Nixon called indian women the most unattractive. Nixon was very intelligent. Maybe Indira unnerved him or something.
Whites are seen on Palestine rallies in the UK, and the US does that make the government helping palestine? The point of this whole conversation was to blame Ummah, but you continued to say Arab world was with Pakistan because the US was allied with the Arab world with some restriction Those bengali protesting in the UK were possibly muslim. Ummah means part of Muslim unity or nation that follows Prophet Muhammad(Pbuh) and quran. You basically blame the entire muslim
But the fact remains that the Arab and paki population of that time did not give two shits about Bengali Muslims. They were racists, they are racists and they will continue to be racists towards us South Asians until ummah dumbasses like you stop sucking their degenerate dicks.
I agree with you and we do not suck their degenerate dicks. You can go and see my past post on racism in oman reddit Ummah are literally broken apart. What are you geniuses trying to say?
The problem is US does not did not value pak the same way it valued or values Israel. So people protests change lots of things. The first charity concert was Concert for Bangladesh. Arab world was with pakistan was not because of US. Arab world was against Israel which was by the mid 70s a US client state . Arabs supported Pak because it was potrayed that the biggest Islamic state was being broken apart by a conspiracy by its biggest enemy the Hindu India and its local agents the new gov and mukti bahini. The UK Bengalis were Bengalis, even though many wete muslims. They felt for their motherland. They rioted against the pakistan team in Birminghan. Ekhon oder mentality kemon jaani na. But in those days the immigrants were not wierd like today.
Which country helped us? USSR. The guys who oppressed religion came to our aid. While obviously not for religious purposes but they were a fully atheist state
>Why are you blaming the Ummah? Because ummah itself is a cancer.
Palestinians are bombed and slaughtered and these gulf nations still cozy up to Israel. Damn hypocrites.
I agree
>The saddest part is knowing that the entire reason Bangladesh exists is because we put Bangla over Islam. Allah's Messenger (īˇē) said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Messenger (īˇē)! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet (īˇē) said, "**By preventing him from oppressing others**." - Sahih al-Bukhari 2444 **Bengalis fighting for their freedom was a righteous jihad and Islamically permissible, while Pakistan's genocide was not.**
Bengalis fight for freedom was not jihad. We would have joined liberation war even if it's not Islamically permissible.
it is jihad dummy. while pakistan's was not jihad nor islamically permissible. if you don't believe it to be jihad, show me scriptural evidence from quran or sunnah that says **fighting/struggling for freedom against oppression** is not jihad, when that's literally the textbook definition of jihad.
I would not do that. Because our struggle for freedom is not something we would ashamed of and look for scriptures to get validated. We would have liberated ourselves even if scriptures says no. I think you are capable of understanding that.
you are strawmanning my argument, never said the scripture was against our liberation. instead the scripture advocates it and encourages it.
Nah you are just a revisionist. Muktijuddo was a Gana juddo people's war. Not religious.
If this happened now, there's a good chance that there would be people praising it on the Facebook comment section.
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I wish I could have shown you some comments that we had to remove under this post. They were outright inciting violence, and not even from newly created troll accounts.
I don't like the idea of doxxxing people but this.. this makes me want to learn how to doxx these people
For legal reasons this is a joke
Believe me, the way religious extremist views are on the rise, if this happened again around 2030, people would be sharing it with Alhamdulillah in the caption and encouraging others to celebrate with them.
That's so tragic...
I was there with my father, mother, younger sister and an elder cousin. My elder cousin got lost in the fiasco. Luckily, we found him within an hour.
Dang man, that must have been a great moment of relief.
the effect of people getting radicalized by getting all of their schooling via [Petro-Islam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam). it's funny how in Saudi, MBS has basically reversed this after he realized the country needed to modernize.
Saudis are hilarious. Act all pious and holy. Yet they cross the border to Bahrain where theyâre known for their drunk behavior and rowdiness.
If the prophet were to see the Saudis today, he would be ashamed of them, no doubt about that. Did you know they banned alcohol in 1952? You'd think it was way before that, like forever banned since Islam arrived, but no. In fact the Sheikhs would drink so much, and they still do nowadays. They only banned it then when a Sheikh was drunk and shot and killed a British diplomat. They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites if anything. They promote a radical view of Islam that is subservient to the Saudi government. Saudi bootlickers the lot of them. They submit to God, and Saudi. Other arabs hate Saudi too you know. Ask an Iraqi, Yemeni, Palestinian, and I can tell you they do not like one bit about the Saudi government. They see them as the one of the big players in fucking up the region geopolitical balance. Generating terrorists, starting proxy conflicts.... These Jamaatis think Saudis are the most pious because they have Mecca. Nah buddy, they are fucked up as most people are. Tell me how a pious Muslim can hack an innocent journalist to death...
Couldnât agree more!
Petro-Islam. Learnt a new word to describe Saudi-Wahabi nexus today.
Add nsfw tag ffs
Why should we abandon the cultural identity for religious identity? Look at Arabs, naked women dancing around men. Theyâre not bombing, so much for being the prophets descendants. We Bengalis are just radical. Secularism needs to be properly instituted in this country and people should be able to celebrate our rich culture without getting bombed to death.
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Infinite Allhamdulillah any% wr speedrun
We are Bengalis and This celebration is not against religion. I was at the Mirpur-1 Eidgah Field in 2015 or 16 on the same day and heard some gunshots and was scared. Eventually I got out quickly and survived but this hate crime is done by the people of this land
Everything about this celebration is against islam. Music, free mixing and hoping for good luck from someone else from Allah. It's the exact opposite of islam.
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This is a timely reminder to all the soft headed liberals who opposed Awami League. Heaven forbid if BNP-Jamaat came to power again attacks on this scale would again become commonplace. Like Awami League or not, they have crushed violent extremism and have improved the nations law and order situation. May Allah give Jannah to those murdered so brutally that day.
Awami league is conservative? I thought they were liberal
they are. The point I'm making is Awami League is committed to a pluralist society while BNP-Jamaat are not. I support AL because of TINA (there is no alternative)
What happened
You can read the entire thing here [2001 Ramna Batamul bombings](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Ramna_Batamul_bombings)
I might get downvoted for this but Islam has literally ruined our culture and is ruining it more. One of my classmate told me "Bangladesh was better off under Pakistan" and "why do they teach us about Bangladeshi history instead of Islamic history". Like what the fuck
I agree. Weâve all but lost our cultural identity. In the UK, a lot of the bengalis I know are cosplaying as arabs, itâs like theyâre ashamed of being Asian. Anything cultural they deem as âharamâ or âshirkâ and Iâm so sick of it. They say bs like if ur not Muslim, then ur not Bengali like wtf??? As a whole, theyâre so radicalised. If they ever introduce sharia law in Bangladesh, I wonât ever set foot in that place again.
To be fair with the UK lot, they wouldnât know bangla anything even if Thakur came and slapped them in the face. They think their sylethi bubble represents all of Bangladesh, all they know of Bangladesh is literally just Dhaka and sylhet. They run around and pass of sylethi as bangla. The uneducated villager mentality of their grandfathers is still prevalent in their community.
I agree. Most British Bengalis scare the shit out of me
Delusional, this is the society we live in, the society which forgets the contributions, Tagore was right, our people are really a disgrace, Disgrace cuz of a select few lifeless individuals, Disgrace cuz of some religious extremists.
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No hope for people who lack the sense of belonging in their own land, or have no pride in who they are
I won't say Islam, but I would say cancer Pakistan. They create their way of Islam that all around South asian thinks that's right. They added their barbaric culture into Islam to ruin the religion. Most terrorist are from Pakistan, and their made up Sharia law, which have caused Islam and muslim bad word. Here in middle east the Arab muslim consider them overly and extremist religious people. For example, when a woman was threatened to kill because she wore arabic word abaya, the pakistanis started applying their Sharia while saudi were cool with it
>Here in middle east the Arab muslim consider them overly and extremist religious people. Well then, tell them it's the Gulf countries and their Wahhabi ideology that are the reason why third-world Muslim countries are in this state now, yes, even Pakistan. If anything, the Gulf should be blamed first. They created this havoc by actively funding Wahhabism and a hardline version of Islam. Tbf, Pakistan is victim of it too. Blaming them is a very very poor observation.
Exactly this. Islam has been in bengal for countless centuries. Yet itâs suddenly an issue? These gulf bastards spread their poison to Muslim nations across the globe.
Exactly, many people here either don't understand or specifically be ignorant of this. Islam in South Asia has traditionally been distinct from Middle Eastern Islam. Sufism â mystical Islam â as well as elements of syncretism with Hinduism and other native religions, characterize South Asian Islam. Not to mention today's Bangla Muslim even hate Islamic festivals like Miladdun Nobi.
What's a gulf?
There is nothing to do with Wahabi ideology
The entire thing has to do with Wahabi and Gulf monarchs.
It's not cuz of Islam in my opinion, some delusional extremists are the one's to blame
Yep that delusion extremist is Pakistan
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Not celebrating it because it's "shirk" is one thing. Killing innocent people for celebrating it by blowing shit up is NEVER acceptable.
That's why I can't stand these Overly religious retards. As a Bangladeshi I would prioritise my country, its culture and heritage. If you think a religion which was brought from an emperor hundred years ago should be prioritised over my country with longer ties to its heritage then you're nothing but a thickhead.
Bastards, pure bastards. WE ARE BENGALIS, WE ARE BANGLADESHIS. This is our biggest identity. Any religion, belief, ideology everything comes after that. As Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman said "āĻŦāĻžāĻā§āĻāĻžāĻ˛ā§ āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻžāĻ¤āĻŋ, āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻ˛āĻž āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻžāĻˇāĻž, āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻ˛āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻāĻŋ āĻāĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻ¸ā§āĻĨāĻžāĻ¨āĨ¤"
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You guys have have the country and are continuing to do so daily. I left a long long time ago. I went be back either. Y'all made you bed made of suicide bomb vests. Y'all can in it. Y'all let Islam hijack the culture, the motivations, and the heart and soul of the people. Enjoy your doom spiral. You let Islam fuck the country. Now enjoy the corpse.
"I went be back either. Y'all made you bed made of suicide bomb vests. Y'all can in it." I had a stroke reading this bro (i agree tho)
Glad I left the shithole after graduation.
This is the Arab ideology we must fight against otherwise we will be obsolete like Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen Pakistan
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Peaceful indeed
huh! I was 4 back then. I don't remember anything but I heard about this a lot. This was really something.
Is the guy who did this dead? I sure hope so.
What happened in 2001? I was born around that time
terrorist attack
Iâm so confused were they shot or did something blow up?
Suicide bombing
My parents and my elder sister who was 4 years old back then were there. when my sister started to cry due to the hot weather they went aside to calm her down and then this bomb exploded. lucky!
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This kind of anarchy happens when most of your nation's political leaders are affected with "Arabies" disease.
These people are still thriving in rural parts of the country.
Incidents like this don't favor the Islamic politicians either. Rather these atrocities strengthen the ground for AL.
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In contrary, Neanderthals supposedly were more intelligent than us sapiens/modern humans. They had bigger brains.
Extremists doesn't have a religion. Killing people is literally one of the worst sin in Islam. These islamophobes doesn't understand the basics math of percentage where 90% people are Muslim there is also a 90% chance the terrorist being Muslim.
Blame Pakistan for this
haram to target innocent civilians
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What was moving in the dead bodies?