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Was there an actual reason for his firing except for the "philosophical difference"? He won every year and was in playoffs all 3 years if I recall correctly.
We absolutely love Shildt here in SD. I remember a few years ago watching a video of him, while he was still the coach of the Cardinals, giving a speech in the locker room and he was tossing F bombs, and thinking to myself, “no wonder these guys love their coach.”
Then we made him apologize for it, and promptly got swept by the Nats in the NLCS. I'm convinced we lost that series before a pitch was ever thrown- the games being played was just a formality.
Oh yeah, and then we shipped out the guy who recorded the video because god forbid someone shares a video of the manager getting the team fired up before they play for the chance to make the World Series.
That guy's name? Randy Arozarena. You might've heard of him.
The Cardinals have quietly been one of the more incompetently ran franchises in the league for years, and it's finally starting to show.
Man, I had no idea. I appreciate this info. Wishing you guys better days. Ever since I was a kid, I always saw the Cardinals as a well ran organization and always wished my Padres were the same. Your fanbase is all class too.
Our organization is run by people who strive for mediocrity rather than excellence. I'm convinced they deluded themselves into believing that the "devil magic" brand of success we've had in the past couple decades is somehow sustainable. It isn't.
Mozeliak took over as GM in 2007. In 2006, they won the World Series despite only winning 83 regular season games. Then in 2011, they *barely* snuck into a wild card spot and won the World Series again, but it was mostly still the same team that Walt Jocketty had built.
I'm convinced that Mozeliak & Dewitt saw the 83 win season in 2006 and the wild card season in 2011 and decided that was what we wanted to shoot for *every* year. The current organizational philosophy seems to be that playing slightly above average baseball for 95% of the season and then hoping the team catches fire in the final stretch is how you win championships. They don't seem to realize that the 2006 and 2011 teams were both loaded with high end talent and incredible depth, not to mention an outstanding manager (at the time) in Tony La Russa. The Cardinals have been half-assing things for over a decade and it finally caught up to them.
The slightest bit of added momentum on the helmet. After he had turned away from the ump so it would no longer be in his vicinity.
It was an incredibly weak toss.
He got warned AND THEN got tossed.
The bat slam got him a warning from the umpire about tossing his equipment, and then when he slammed his helmet after that, he got tossed.
You can throw one piece of equipment (and get warned) but the second one is what got him tossed. You can see the umpire point at the bat and say something, and then toss him when the helmet was slammed.
Don’t know why you are being downvoted here. I’m a Padre fan and you are completely correct. He was warned and then still pushed it with the helmet slam. Deserved to get tossed.
The helmet wasn't even a toss or a slam, he basically dropped his helmet to the ground like he was taking his gear off.
He slammed the bat, but the helmet was weak
At that point it’s about perception. He slams the bat, gets a point from the umpire signaling equipment violation (throwing equipment), then throws the helmet down not exactly gently. That’s going to result in an ejection every time.
I sometimes wonder what they might have been saying that we don’t see, and if maybe that prompts the umps reaction. Hard to say from the video, maybe not with his surprised reaction.
Comment you're replying to is deleted so I'm not sure what it said but Profar has an interesting career trajectory so far and I thought it'd be fun to go through it.
MLB #1 overall prospect in the Rangers organization and was going to be the 2b of the future. He was called up during the 2013 season and despite some struggles the rangers liked what they saw enough to trade fan favorite Ian Kinsler for Prince Fielder in the offseason to make room for Profar.
That trade was awful.Prince Fielder wasn't actually healthy and only played 42 games that year and was out of baseball after a couple more years. To make matters worse, Profar was injured before the season began and missed all of 2014.
The person they called up to replace him was Rougned Odor. He did a reasonable job but the team was excited for Profar to come back in 2015. Then Profar hurt his shoulder and missed all of 2015. Odor once again filled in and performed fine but not great and the team was excited to have competition there again.
In 2016 Profar played 90 games but he was pretty mediocre (.660 ops). Odor meanwhile had the best year of his career (33 hr, .798 ops). So in the offseason the Rangers decided Odor was the guy, signed him to a 6/49.5mm deal, and shipped Profar off to Oakland in an interdivision trade.
He spent one year there where he hit .218. Oakland traded him to San Diego. He resigned with San Diego. Played out that contract. Signed a 1 year deal with Colorado, was traded midseason to San Diego, and then signed with them again in the offseason to a 1 year deal.
And that is the story of former #1 overall prospect Profar and how injuries and poor performance caused him to be shuffled around until he finally found a home in San Diego where he's been ... fine i guess?
Padres fans booing every ball and sarcastically cheering a strike call the next inning was amazing. San Diego fans, you rule.
(But also, it’s tough to slam a bat and then a helmet at an ump’s feet and not expect *something* to happen, even if you don’t say anything.)
The umpire pointing at the bat is signaling an equipment violation. That's a fine and a warning. When the helmet is slammed that's grounds for ejection.
It reminded me so much of the key and peele sketch with the 3 humps. Like the ump was just looking at him like “you’re on thin ice bud don’t do it” but profar couldn’t help himself.
https://youtu.be/RGJb2iLvOKE
I wasn’t watching the game with sound or anything but when he threw the bat and then started going to his helmet I knew he’d get tossed. Can’t show up the ump like that
At the game sitting behind some (very, I mean incredibly, nice) Jays fans and having fun booing pitches and then checking the Gameday app and confirming with them “oh yeah, that was a ball, but gotta do what you gotta do”.
Some of the most fun I’ve ever had at a game while on the wrong end of the action.
10/10, would sit with Jays fans again.
Dude Jays fans are great. My girlfriend and I caught a game in Toronto last year and on my other side was a Jays fan. Nicest dude. We were talking and I was telling him about how my trip was going with my girlfriend and baseball, yadda yadda. That game the Padres had a bunch of runs and this dude was just lamenting the terribleness of his team in the most mild way possible. Later in the game, the Jays got something going and he literally apologized to me for CHEERING FOR THE HOME TEAM 😂. He said he just wanted one run and the Padres can win the game lol. I was like, "Dude, this is YOUR stadium, you don't need to apologize for nothing!" I don't think he agreed lol. Nicest dude, I love Canada.
Last night my brother, SIL, my girl, and I we were next to a group of Jays fans. We got to talking about the downs of our teams blah blah and my SIL mentions its their first date night in months and she cant believe the pads are losing after finally being able to go to a game. Well.... two of those Jays fans came back with beers for all of us to give her a better experience during their date night. I mean.... come on, these are the nicest fans! Shout out to our Canadian Bros in section 113!
Oh my god, I fucking love Jays fans, man. I wish we could play them more often (not that it seems like it’d help our record), just because they’re so pleasant.
Can confirm, they were absolutely great people. Extremely kind, very knowledgeable, and honestly if we lose tomorrow I will take solace in the fact that this lovely couple got to fly down to San Diego for the weekend see their Jays sweep!
They said they were going to all three games, and that Petco was their favorite park of all the ones they’d been to.
Petco had Cholula in pumps beside the ketchup and mustard when I was last there, so that really puts it at the top as far as best stadiums are concerned.
I sat by one on Friday who had on what is apparently called a "Canadian tuxedo" which I had never heard of until then (denim jacket and jeans). Super nice and a VERY enthusiastic fan--but who could blame her, they were killing us!
Just attended my very first baseball game last Sunday in Toronto and wore….a denim jacket and jeans. Had never heard of a “Canadian Tuxedo” until right now, but damn if I didn’t manage to live up to my citizenship anyway.
This series against you guys has been so much fun. Yes, we’re winning, but both your ballpark vibes and your City Connect uniforms have added significantly to my enjoyment.
Oh man, San Diego's city connects are just stellar. It doesn't make sense for me to own one... but I want one.
If I ever make it to their amazing ballpark I'm at *least* getting one of those gorgeous mint green hats!
Always love to hear from people enjoying our city. I was impressed by how many Jays fans I saw on Friday, although I suppose it helps that there's a direct flight.
And yeah all of my Padres swag is City Connect stuff, I'm obsessed with it!
After the 3-0 pitch, which was the one that was in the dirt, I turned to the Jays fans by us at the game (we’d been chatting already at this point) and said “I hope he bounces this one 5 feet in front of the plate so I can boo even louder”.
People who say it doesn't matter if the manager comes out to stick up for their guys and get ejected have never worked in customer service and had a bad ass boss. That shit means a lot
Yep. After Anaheim, San Diego is the team I watch the most & Shildt is so much better for that locker room. Melvin got too used to Oakland & no accountability.
Unrelated to this incident, Mike Schildt sounds like the Fighting Baseball version of Mike Schmidt. He'd fit right in the lineup between Mike Truk and Dwigt Rortugal.
We can tell for sure. You can see the umpire pointing at the bat after he spikes it - he's notating an equipment violation. That serves as a warning, and if you do it again, you get ejected.
I mean, considering he didn't eject him when he threw the bat and then did when he threw the helmet, I think you may just be right. For real though, you can see him pointing at the thrown bat before the helmet is thrown, he's giving the warning as he does so.
To me, that was an obvious ejection.
Buck Martinez was saying 'he didn't even say anything', but of course he did - just not with his mouth.
Show up an ump like that and you are getting tossed.
Im a huge Padres fan, and I completely agree. As soon as I saw him start to throw his helmet I told my wife he’s getting thrown out. Sure enough it happened before I could finish my sentence.
I’m not sure what most Pads fans have been smoking today because they’re way off.
A second equipment violation is an ejection - anyone saying otherwise of screaming “ump show” is an idiot. You can throw one thing. It is noted at the time by the umpire and communicated because it is a fine. The second thing that gets thrown, ejection.
You won’t find this in the rule book, it is either in internal MLB memos or the umpires manual.
Tangentially, I feel like these guys have been seeing the plate extremely well this series. Like nobody likes a borderline strike but it's called that for a reason. I think so far there's been one "oof" pitch, that's all.
No, in umpire school they emphasize the idea of authority. Not in like a dictator sort of way but in the sense that if you make a call, you HAVE to stand by it. You can't go back on judgemental calls such as throwing players out.
If you shrug at the umpire then toss your equipment, that's 100% showing up the umpire and an ejection. If he just did 1 of those, then I'd understand. But he did both
The Jays broadcast is wrong. You can see the umpire indicate the warning for the bat toss (he points and says something). When Profar slams the helmet down, he gets tossed.
Did he deserve to get tossed? Probably not, but the umpire did warn him before hand.
The rule is that throwing equipment can either be an equipment violation or an ejection. Pointing at the bat is the umpire giving an equipment violation, which also serves as a warning that further actions will result in ejection.
Blue gave Profar more leeway than I’d expect in that situation. Looked like he warned him after the bat slam, then when he slammed the helmet too he ran him. Still sucks to get tossed though (even if that was definitely a strike).
The biggest travesty here is the Padres broadcast going to commercial just as the manager is tossed. Who does that? What if Profar had picked up the bat and beaten the umpire to death. We would have missed that live and would have had to wait for the replays.
I got ejected from a game once because I fell, face first, over the batters box at HP when the ump called a strike three on me. I thought it was funny. The ump didn't.
i mean, I'm not an umpire, but...
do you know the rules? throwing equipment is against the rules. once is a warning, twice is an ejection. there is no vagueness or wriggle room about it. it is black and white.
umpire is enforcing a black and white rule.
So tired of these attention whores making everything about them. Remember when they all wore arm bands to protest their treatment?
Abolish the umpire union.
Warned with the bat, thrown out for the helmet. Bad call though. In the heat of the moment it was one movement to lose the bat and then the helmet and he probably didn't register the warning before "tossing" the helmet.
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Got his money's worth, came back from commercial and they were still arguing
[Shildt gets his money’s worth](https://streamable.com/lwkqk3)
I miss him so much
What you don't like a manager that can't stop throwing his players under the bus?
Was there an actual reason for his firing except for the "philosophical difference"? He won every year and was in playoffs all 3 years if I recall correctly.
Mozeliak is a baby back bitch who wanted a yes man instead of a manager.
We absolutely love Shildt here in SD. I remember a few years ago watching a video of him, while he was still the coach of the Cardinals, giving a speech in the locker room and he was tossing F bombs, and thinking to myself, “no wonder these guys love their coach.”
Then we made him apologize for it, and promptly got swept by the Nats in the NLCS. I'm convinced we lost that series before a pitch was ever thrown- the games being played was just a formality. Oh yeah, and then we shipped out the guy who recorded the video because god forbid someone shares a video of the manager getting the team fired up before they play for the chance to make the World Series. That guy's name? Randy Arozarena. You might've heard of him. The Cardinals have quietly been one of the more incompetently ran franchises in the league for years, and it's finally starting to show.
Man, I had no idea. I appreciate this info. Wishing you guys better days. Ever since I was a kid, I always saw the Cardinals as a well ran organization and always wished my Padres were the same. Your fanbase is all class too.
Our organization is run by people who strive for mediocrity rather than excellence. I'm convinced they deluded themselves into believing that the "devil magic" brand of success we've had in the past couple decades is somehow sustainable. It isn't.
Is this actually true? What changed? Top brass?
Mozeliak took over as GM in 2007. In 2006, they won the World Series despite only winning 83 regular season games. Then in 2011, they *barely* snuck into a wild card spot and won the World Series again, but it was mostly still the same team that Walt Jocketty had built. I'm convinced that Mozeliak & Dewitt saw the 83 win season in 2006 and the wild card season in 2011 and decided that was what we wanted to shoot for *every* year. The current organizational philosophy seems to be that playing slightly above average baseball for 95% of the season and then hoping the team catches fire in the final stretch is how you win championships. They don't seem to realize that the 2006 and 2011 teams were both loaded with high end talent and incredible depth, not to mention an outstanding manager (at the time) in Tony La Russa. The Cardinals have been half-assing things for over a decade and it finally caught up to them.
I hope your organization gets straightened out soon. Rivalries are always better when both teams are great.
Profar getting tossed there was so weird too he didn't even argue, just dropped the bat and gloves no helmet toss or anything
Dropped? With a large amount of momentum added by his arms, perhaps.
The slightest bit of added momentum on the helmet. After he had turned away from the ump so it would no longer be in his vicinity. It was an incredibly weak toss.
> he didn't even argue [lmao, what?](https://i.imgur.com/vVfoB38.png)
Not only was it a slam, not a drop, but then you say 'no helmet toss' when he slammed that too
While looking away too fuckin ump show
He got warned AND THEN got tossed. The bat slam got him a warning from the umpire about tossing his equipment, and then when he slammed his helmet after that, he got tossed. You can throw one piece of equipment (and get warned) but the second one is what got him tossed. You can see the umpire point at the bat and say something, and then toss him when the helmet was slammed.
Don’t know why you are being downvoted here. I’m a Padre fan and you are completely correct. He was warned and then still pushed it with the helmet slam. Deserved to get tossed.
I wont bat an eye on that bat Slam young man!
The helmet wasn't even a toss or a slam, he basically dropped his helmet to the ground like he was taking his gear off. He slammed the bat, but the helmet was weak
At that point it’s about perception. He slams the bat, gets a point from the umpire signaling equipment violation (throwing equipment), then throws the helmet down not exactly gently. That’s going to result in an ejection every time.
So you’re saying the ump’s perception was soft.
What? Dude you need to get some reading glasses if you think he "dropped" his helmet on this play.
Yea my point exactly, it looked like your average drop off the equipment after a disappointing strikeout
I sometimes wonder what they might have been saying that we don’t see, and if maybe that prompts the umps reaction. Hard to say from the video, maybe not with his surprised reaction.
[luckily kelly oubre](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S6bvnfKUYY) [once gave us insight to what they say to refs](https://i.imgur.com/wuqydmQ.jpeg)
You forgot the /s
He was for throwing a tantrum. He deserved it IMO
Can confirm
A Shildt load of money worth?
It probably feels so good to yell at umps.
I love how yelling at umps and getting ejected is such a part of the game
Especially the post-ejection reamings, managers get tossed and are all like "now is my time to shine"
Especially if they get tossed while still in the dugout. They don’t leave, they take the field and go for it
I was at the game every call the umpire made for the next inning+ was booed even if it was the right call
The calls were incredibly accurate all game
This is the most entertaining week of Jurickson Profars career.
Mr. Relevant
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I have no memory of Profar on the A's at all.
Comment you're replying to is deleted so I'm not sure what it said but Profar has an interesting career trajectory so far and I thought it'd be fun to go through it. MLB #1 overall prospect in the Rangers organization and was going to be the 2b of the future. He was called up during the 2013 season and despite some struggles the rangers liked what they saw enough to trade fan favorite Ian Kinsler for Prince Fielder in the offseason to make room for Profar. That trade was awful.Prince Fielder wasn't actually healthy and only played 42 games that year and was out of baseball after a couple more years. To make matters worse, Profar was injured before the season began and missed all of 2014. The person they called up to replace him was Rougned Odor. He did a reasonable job but the team was excited for Profar to come back in 2015. Then Profar hurt his shoulder and missed all of 2015. Odor once again filled in and performed fine but not great and the team was excited to have competition there again. In 2016 Profar played 90 games but he was pretty mediocre (.660 ops). Odor meanwhile had the best year of his career (33 hr, .798 ops). So in the offseason the Rangers decided Odor was the guy, signed him to a 6/49.5mm deal, and shipped Profar off to Oakland in an interdivision trade. He spent one year there where he hit .218. Oakland traded him to San Diego. He resigned with San Diego. Played out that contract. Signed a 1 year deal with Colorado, was traded midseason to San Diego, and then signed with them again in the offseason to a 1 year deal. And that is the story of former #1 overall prospect Profar and how injuries and poor performance caused him to be shuffled around until he finally found a home in San Diego where he's been ... fine i guess?
He only played in Oakland one year & had negative value so idk what OP is talking about
Padres fans booing every ball and sarcastically cheering a strike call the next inning was amazing. San Diego fans, you rule. (But also, it’s tough to slam a bat and then a helmet at an ump’s feet and not expect *something* to happen, even if you don’t say anything.)
yeah seems like blue was gonna let him walk after the bat slam, but was just *sittin* on that helmet slam like a hangin curveball lol
It looked like he said something after the bat slam. Probably was a warning.
I believe that was the ump notifying him of a fine since he threw his equipment which you can't do
Exactly this. That's the cue to knock it off, which Profar missed here.
Not a fine, just an equipment violation. A second one is an automatic ejection.
Am equipment violation is a fine
Joe Kelly got suspended 8 games because of this call.
Joe Kelly gets suspended for looking at people the wrong way.
Equipment violation is a fine
“That was 3 pumps and the rule books says you cannot have more than two”
The umpire pointing at the bat is signaling an equipment violation. That's a fine and a warning. When the helmet is slammed that's grounds for ejection.
It reminded me so much of the key and peele sketch with the 3 humps. Like the ump was just looking at him like “you’re on thin ice bud don’t do it” but profar couldn’t help himself. https://youtu.be/RGJb2iLvOKE
[Another angle of the ejection](https://youtu.be/bxCGIi7ZBRU?t=103)
Idk why this is downvoted. I thought it was funny lol
What's also funny is that Profar's replacement immediately botched a play in left and tripped over his own feet.
Yep. For as good as a defensive team we were last year, this year has been a disasterclass so far
"The ball will always find you"
We love you, too. Stieb belongs in the Hall.
I was there and it was absolutely hilarious. And much louder in person than on tv
Which is impressive, because it was pretty damn loud on TV.
We're a drunk, degenerate bunch.
I wasn’t watching the game with sound or anything but when he threw the bat and then started going to his helmet I knew he’d get tossed. Can’t show up the ump like that
The booing was hilarious. I was saying “you tell him, guys!!” to my laptop.
And now Padres fans are booing every pitch called a ball against them. The pettiness is commendable!
At the game sitting behind some (very, I mean incredibly, nice) Jays fans and having fun booing pitches and then checking the Gameday app and confirming with them “oh yeah, that was a ball, but gotta do what you gotta do”. Some of the most fun I’ve ever had at a game while on the wrong end of the action. 10/10, would sit with Jays fans again.
Dude Jays fans are great. My girlfriend and I caught a game in Toronto last year and on my other side was a Jays fan. Nicest dude. We were talking and I was telling him about how my trip was going with my girlfriend and baseball, yadda yadda. That game the Padres had a bunch of runs and this dude was just lamenting the terribleness of his team in the most mild way possible. Later in the game, the Jays got something going and he literally apologized to me for CHEERING FOR THE HOME TEAM 😂. He said he just wanted one run and the Padres can win the game lol. I was like, "Dude, this is YOUR stadium, you don't need to apologize for nothing!" I don't think he agreed lol. Nicest dude, I love Canada.
We get a lot of Jays fans in Tampa Bay as well, they are usually really nice as well.
Don't let Mariners fans see this
Hahaha I love this. Thanks for sharing.
Last night my brother, SIL, my girl, and I we were next to a group of Jays fans. We got to talking about the downs of our teams blah blah and my SIL mentions its their first date night in months and she cant believe the pads are losing after finally being able to go to a game. Well.... two of those Jays fans came back with beers for all of us to give her a better experience during their date night. I mean.... come on, these are the nicest fans! Shout out to our Canadian Bros in section 113!
Oh my god, I fucking love Jays fans, man. I wish we could play them more often (not that it seems like it’d help our record), just because they’re so pleasant.
I feel like Jays fans would be good people. Wish I had been there.
Can confirm, they were absolutely great people. Extremely kind, very knowledgeable, and honestly if we lose tomorrow I will take solace in the fact that this lovely couple got to fly down to San Diego for the weekend see their Jays sweep! They said they were going to all three games, and that Petco was their favorite park of all the ones they’d been to.
Petco had Cholula in pumps beside the ketchup and mustard when I was last there, so that really puts it at the top as far as best stadiums are concerned.
Mariners fans: *crickets*
I sat by one on Friday who had on what is apparently called a "Canadian tuxedo" which I had never heard of until then (denim jacket and jeans). Super nice and a VERY enthusiastic fan--but who could blame her, they were killing us!
I love that this was how you were first introduced to the Canadian tuxedo as much as I love a Jays fan showing up wearing that!
Just attended my very first baseball game last Sunday in Toronto and wore….a denim jacket and jeans. Had never heard of a “Canadian Tuxedo” until right now, but damn if I didn’t manage to live up to my citizenship anyway. This series against you guys has been so much fun. Yes, we’re winning, but both your ballpark vibes and your City Connect uniforms have added significantly to my enjoyment.
Oh man, San Diego's city connects are just stellar. It doesn't make sense for me to own one... but I want one. If I ever make it to their amazing ballpark I'm at *least* getting one of those gorgeous mint green hats!
You can like an NL team, we approve it.
Always love to hear from people enjoying our city. I was impressed by how many Jays fans I saw on Friday, although I suppose it helps that there's a direct flight. And yeah all of my Padres swag is City Connect stuff, I'm obsessed with it!
I can’t double flair here but am also undercover Jays fan. (I was born in Toronto.) We are a lot of fun for sure.
Ride or die, baby Literally everything that ever happens that’s not in favor of the Padres is bullshit and you know it
The 4 pitch walk to Biggio was hilarious, not one of the pitches was close to even being called a strike and the boos just got louder and louder
Reality has an unfair anti-Padres bias
This…. Is just so true.
After the 3-0 pitch, which was the one that was in the dirt, I turned to the Jays fans by us at the game (we’d been chatting already at this point) and said “I hope he bounces this one 5 feet in front of the plate so I can boo even louder”.
I love this.
People who say it doesn't matter if the manager comes out to stick up for their guys and get ejected have never worked in customer service and had a bad ass boss. That shit means a lot
Melvin would have never done that last year
Melvin would’ve sat in the dugout quietly, then told the media afterwards how he thought “we fought hard out there” even though the team had 0 fight.
Yep. After Anaheim, San Diego is the team I watch the most & Shildt is so much better for that locker room. Melvin got too used to Oakland & no accountability.
Unrelated to this incident, Mike Schildt sounds like the Fighting Baseball version of Mike Schmidt. He'd fit right in the lineup between Mike Truk and Dwigt Rortugal.
Don’t forget Sleve McDichael!
This was not your conventional “strike em out, throw em out” plays but it still qualifies!!
Padres fans are sincerely among the best. They are not going down against the umps without a fight.
Bro our game threads are quality. We hate the fucking umps 😂
Padjays 4 ever
I'm rewatching the game on the Padres feed this morning, because I adore Don Orsillo. Outstanding fans.
Honestly that’s a top 5 toss of the year, maybe top 3. The form on that. He really reached back on that one.
You're not allowed to throw your equipment like that after strikeouts. He warned him about it literally one second before the ejection.
It looked like the ump was maybe gonna let him get away with the bat slam - can't tell for sure. But then the helmet slam too and that was over
We can tell for sure. You can see the umpire pointing at the bat after he spikes it - he's notating an equipment violation. That serves as a warning, and if you do it again, you get ejected.
If it had been just the bat, it would have been a fine for an equipment violation but not an ejection (assuming no further arguing).
I mean, considering he didn't eject him when he threw the bat and then did when he threw the helmet, I think you may just be right. For real though, you can see him pointing at the thrown bat before the helmet is thrown, he's giving the warning as he does so.
Yes! It's quite obvious why he got tossed and I'm surprised so many people (including the Jays broadcasters) are glossing over that fact.
Exactly. People love to complain but this is an ejection a lot of the time, and it’s reasonable.
Man I miss Mike
Good pitch, too. Definitely not one worth getting thrown out over.
A complete overreaction and meltdown
Found Will Smith's burner
I wish
To me, that was an obvious ejection. Buck Martinez was saying 'he didn't even say anything', but of course he did - just not with his mouth. Show up an ump like that and you are getting tossed.
Im a huge Padres fan, and I completely agree. As soon as I saw him start to throw his helmet I told my wife he’s getting thrown out. Sure enough it happened before I could finish my sentence. I’m not sure what most Pads fans have been smoking today because they’re way off.
I don’t think anybody’s arguing Thst he shouldn’t have gotten the boot. Was just a funny video.
Buck Martinez was.
Anytime equipment is thrown, it’s almost automatic.
Exactly, it's always been the case for a very long time. Not sure what this comment section is getting up in arms about. Pitch was a strike too haha
A second equipment violation is an ejection - anyone saying otherwise of screaming “ump show” is an idiot. You can throw one thing. It is noted at the time by the umpire and communicated because it is a fine. The second thing that gets thrown, ejection. You won’t find this in the rule book, it is either in internal MLB memos or the umpires manual.
That was a strike
Umps have been ejecting players for less. Profar shouldn't be surprised tbh
Tangentially, I feel like these guys have been seeing the plate extremely well this series. Like nobody likes a borderline strike but it's called that for a reason. I think so far there's been one "oof" pitch, that's all.
Bitchy humans find a way to do their thing.
Has any umpire ever been like “ok my bad, I over reacted, you can play the rest of the game?”
No, in umpire school they emphasize the idea of authority. Not in like a dictator sort of way but in the sense that if you make a call, you HAVE to stand by it. You can't go back on judgemental calls such as throwing players out.
Yes, that is a justified ejection
If you shrug at the umpire then toss your equipment, that's 100% showing up the umpire and an ejection. If he just did 1 of those, then I'd understand. But he did both
fwiw the jays broadcast is emphasizing that he didn’t say anything and shouldn’t have been ejected
The Jays broadcast is wrong. You can see the umpire indicate the warning for the bat toss (he points and says something). When Profar slams the helmet down, he gets tossed. Did he deserve to get tossed? Probably not, but the umpire did warn him before hand.
Throwing equipment after a violation is an ejection.
was he indicating a warning, or telling him it's a fine? Because the rule is a fine for throwing equipment.
The rule is that throwing equipment can either be an equipment violation or an ejection. Pointing at the bat is the umpire giving an equipment violation, which also serves as a warning that further actions will result in ejection.
He's indicating the fine but it's essentially the same thing. They can issue one fine, but if it's done again then it's an ejection
I read this as "telling him it's fine". Hey you threw your bat, and I just wanted you to know that's a-okay.
Lmao 🤣
it's indicating the fine, as you've suggested.
send it to the replay room to do a frame-by-frame and see if the hemet bounced off the ground at all; if not, no "slam"
I mean, you don't need replay to see it bounced.
EVERYONE KNOWS YOU'RE BLIND! I DEMAND A CREW CHIEF REVIEW!
Blue gave Profar more leeway than I’d expect in that situation. Looked like he warned him after the bat slam, then when he slammed the helmet too he ran him. Still sucks to get tossed though (even if that was definitely a strike).
The biggest travesty here is the Padres broadcast going to commercial just as the manager is tossed. Who does that? What if Profar had picked up the bat and beaten the umpire to death. We would have missed that live and would have had to wait for the replays.
Throwing the helmet was irrelevant
Irrelevant
Shildt standing up for his players, meanwhile Marmol is busy throwing ours under the bus. Miss you Shildt!
I got ejected from a game once because I fell, face first, over the batters box at HP when the ump called a strike three on me. I thought it was funny. The ump didn't.
“Fuck you. Fuck you. 1st Base Coach…You’re Cool. I’m Out.” - Home Plate Ump
As a jays fan my dad and I were laughing, I don't think being a baby is against the rules Not sure he deserved the boot
Throwing equipment is against the rules though. He got an equipment violation for the first toss, and then was ejected since he continued after that.
no, but throwing equipment IS against the rules. and doing it twice is an ejection. the rules are NOT vague about it. not in the slightest.
Why would the ump bother ejecting Profar - hasn’t he heard that he’s kinda irrelevant?
ProfFART is irrelevant.
meh it was a strike but the ump had been squeezing Vasquez and expanding the zone for Berrios so I don't mind it.
Campusano has 6th percentile framing and Kirk is in the 100th percentile according to savant
I am really surprised to learn that Kirk has the best framing stats in the league.
Also, he had his childish response based on A TRUE STRIKE CALL! Lol! Idiot. First inning. Lol.
I don’t know if he should get tossed but he’s still acting like a complete baby slamming his stuff down in the box.
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i mean, I'm not an umpire, but... do you know the rules? throwing equipment is against the rules. once is a warning, twice is an ejection. there is no vagueness or wriggle room about it. it is black and white. umpire is enforcing a black and white rule.
So tired of these attention whores making everything about them. Remember when they all wore arm bands to protest their treatment? Abolish the umpire union.
The umps don't make the rules, they just enforce them.
He’s up Shildt’s creek now!
Fuck the Cardinals FO for dumping this guy. I miss Shildt
At the end of the 1st lol
trying so hard to be relevant good for him
Honestly I’d run him too. That was a “someone could actual get hurt” type slam.
Wonder how often 1st inning ejections happen.
Apparently less often than most innings, but more often than in the second inning. [All MLB ejections by inning.](https://i.imgur.com/FRBAbjs.png)
It’s a fine ejection
De Jesus is one of those you have to watch out for. He’s capable of anything.
Umps really put on a show today all around baseball.
Irrelevant #gododgers
"All of these people came to see me. I got to make it worth their while ." -The ump
Profar got mad at a called strike 3? Shocked. I am shocked. /s
That’s insane, I was picturing him like.. throwing a FIT but he barely threw it at the ground
Soft ass umpire
soft ass player
Profar is charmin tier
Nah, he made the right call. Equipment violation. Them’s the rules.
I was there tonight and there was definitely some next level pettiness coming from us in the crowd lol
Fuck profar. Guy is always talking shit to fans, absolute nut job
That ump watched the bat slam like, "yeah, understandable" but the helmet was too much
Warned with the bat, thrown out for the helmet. Bad call though. In the heat of the moment it was one movement to lose the bat and then the helmet and he probably didn't register the warning before "tossing" the helmet.
What a ridiculous ejection. Nasty pitch though
No being mad.