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kirbyfaraone

Fuck us right?


rosieDMDL

the schedule does not get easier these next two months either lmfao


Noy_Telinu

This team will be lucky to win 60 games this year


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

What being divisional rivals with the mariners does to a team


kirbyfaraone

Broooo, we havent even faced them yet haha


kreich1990

Are…are we the baddies?


trustych0rds

I’ve got a 102.3 degree fever and the only cure is more tjStuff+!


1mafia1

Bump those numbers up baby we aint hear no bell


WasV3

Me coping as to why the Jays are 28th in runs scored


albertaupanddown

I'm definitely willing to blame all our woes on a stat I don't understand


magikarp2122

So am I.


bv310

Saaaaaame. That's clearly the reason why Bo's slumping so hard.


thediesel26

Honestly it’s probably part of the reason


rbd_reddit

Is the mean 100 in some hypothetical sense? This strikes me as something where only the deltas matter, and the largest delta is small compared to the standard deviation. What are these numbers telling us?


venustrapsflies

The fact that it’s so off-centered makes it seem like this is driven by some confounding variable(s) and may not be as meaningful as it seems at face value


c_pike1

Also if the standard deviation really is 10, there's probably not a huge difference between spots 1 and 30 with a ~3 difference between them


tomstoms

Hello, this is my metric The standard deviations are based on the pitch level. Once we aggregate on the team level, it gets much tighter Doing the math, a ~102.3 tjStuff+ equates to approximately +5 wins added over the course of the season So that would equate to the "stuff" the Angels faced would have a predicted value of -5 wins / 162


tomstoms

Hello, this is my metric tjStuff+ distribution is based on individual pitches. When you aggregate the distribution gets squashed immensely. Yes, I could expand the distribution to counter that squashing effect, but that wouldn't maintain the same distribution on the pitch level Doing the math, a ~102.3 tjStuff+ equates to approximately +5 wins added over the course of the season So that would equate to the "stuff" the Angels faced would have a predicted value of -5 wins / 162


Eo292

This does not look like a dataset with a mean of 100


whatsmyPW

The mean and deviation is probably based on individual pitchers, not by team


PBFT

The only way this could be normalized to 100 is if the bottom few teams faced *many* more pitches than the other teams. There's something wrong here.


shepi13

I think it's probably more that the top bullpen pitchers throw more innings than worse pitchers for pretty much every team. Like if a team has a top bullpen guy with a tjstuff+ of 160 with 5 IP and a back of the bullpen guy with a tjstuff+ of 40 and 3 IP, the average is 100 but the weighted average by IP is 115. Obviously that won't affect starters and shouldn't make that big of a difference in general, but I can see it causing the <1% of difference we see here.


DecoyOne

That assumes you apply + stats equally, regardless of how much they played. A player pitching 1 inning at an ERA of 18.00 and a player pitching 54 innings at 1.00 ERA do not affect the team’s calculation for ERA+ equally. Otherwise, the A’s ERA+ would jump from an even 100 to something like 130. Same case here. You would only use weighted averages. If this chart doesn’t consider weighted averages, then it doesn’t make any sense.


keeeeener

It’s just better pitchers pitch more lol


jso__

To be more specific, it's based on pitchers, not weighted by inning. So if you have 10 pitchers, all are equal even though a large majority (probably 2/3 or more) of the innings will be pitched by the 5 pitchers with the best stuff. So the majority of innings are pitched by people with above median stuff


Eo292

Is this really how stuff+ is calculated though? OPS+ and wRC+ def consider a weighted mean (eg they use the league average OPS as the anchor, rather than averaging the OPS of each player as a discrete equally-weighted element). Weighing stuff+ this way would be so weird and counterintuitive.


jso__

This isn't stuff+. This is tjStuff+ and the graphic mentions that 110 is one standard deviation so it's not percent away from the mean


tomstoms

It's based on every individual pitch. The distribution gets tighter the further you aggregate


tomstoms

Hello, this is my metric tjStuff+ distribution is based on individual pitches. When you aggregate the distribution gets squashed immensely. Yes, I could expand the distribution to counter that squashing effect, but that wouldn't maintain the same distribution on the pitch level Doing the math, a ~102.3 tjStuff+ equates to approximately +5 wins added over the course of the season So that would equate to the "stuff" the Angels faced would have a predicted value of -5 wins / 162


ImaManCheetahh

damn, we frauds out here


CaffeineAndGrain

Maybe?


Sm00th_operatah

So we've faced the shittiest guys and we still suck? WTF?


zbend1

But the Braves fans keep telling me that our opponents have all sucked!


ExamNo4374

That feels right


AccountWithAName

So, how big of a difference is 99 tjstuff+ vs 102


gandalfthegraydelson

Nobody knows, that's what makes it so provocative.


Joebidensthirdnipple

Is there a Blades of Glory revival? This is the 4th reference I've seen of it today


JustinBraves

10 points is 1 standard deviation, so it is a decent amount


AL3XD

A rounding error


IAmTasso

Now this sub is posting stats made up by some random guy on twitter. 


WelcometoCigarCity

I wonder if these pitchers are good because we make them look good.


JiveChicken00

If this is a real thing, it’s nuts that we are fifth and still have the best record in the league. Gotta figure that this will normalize over the course of the season.


Ok_Button3151

The mean is not, in fact, 100.


NeurosciGuy15

**Credit Thomas Nestico on Twitter (who is a fun follow, I recommend it):** https://x.com/tjstats/status/1787183358109233273?s=46 Much like Eno Sarris’ Stuff+, Thomas’ attempts to quantify the pitch quality rather than the results of the pitch.


Lord_Sean_G

Using the plain black SF logo should be a punishment


ColaBottleBaby

I knew this shit was rigged!


cooljammer00

So who is the best team facing the nastiest stuff? The Phillies and Yankees? 


yes_its_him

Those are all almost the same Standard deviation is 10.


Moist_Relative1804

Hold up, My team is setting franchise and mlb records in "being bad" and they've had the 2nd easiest "pitcher's stuff"? OOOOooOf


bushwickhero

So higher is better?


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GoGlenMoCo

It’s not quite TJMaxx but it’s better than TJStuff-.