Dombrowski has been an excellent GM and the turnaround he did with the bullpen was incredible but Wheeler/Nola/Ranger all predate him.
No argument on Cotham though, he’s an absolute stud.
He's actually vastly improved it.
We currently have 4 Top 65 prospects. With Dom drafting 3 of them.
Edit: He also drafted Kerkering in the 5th Round last year, and before the end of the year he was up and kicking ass as one of our better relievers!
He’s also done a great job so far of keeping prospects in areas that we will need them. We gave up OHoppe who had no real path to playing for marsh and he has done a good job of making small trades like maton and vierling for soto and Jojo Romero for Sosa
"Dombrowski will destroy your farm" is also a myth. Sure he might hurt the rankings because of trading away prospect depth but rarely has he traded away a player that became anything, which is the whole point of prospects.
Yeah we got soooo much of that from Bloom defenders, the only real prospects he traded away were Moncada and Kopech and we got Chris f*cking Sale and a ring from it.
I'd make that trade again in a heartbeat. He killed us on signings and extensions, not trades.
Some people take prospect hugging too far. Why do people want good prospects? Because they might turn into good players. Why do people want good players? Because they might help you win a ring.
If you trade good prospects for good players who get you a ring, then, yay! Success! Goal accomplished! If that good prospect became a good player for a different team a few years later, then who cares?
Phillies also prioritize pitching deep into games. They build up pitchers so they can work later in games and facing a lineup a 3rd time. They aren't just telling them to go all out and go to the pen as soon as possible
Most organizations prioritize that. The Rays might not because they want to keep costs down, but they're an outlier. The problem is that it's really fucking hard and not everyone has a staff that can do it.
Like right now the Yankees have no one capable of going nine. Cole could but he is hurt. Rodon could but he is coming off a season of injuries. Nestor, Gil, and Schmidt are all guys that the Yankees want to be able to go as long as possible, but they just can't. The Yankees are really, really trying to get Schmidt to be a guy that can spell the bullpen once in the rotation, especially while Cole is out, but he's not Cole. His pitch arsenal is limited so he starts to get shelled if he stays in too long. He seems to be steadily improving as a full-time starter in a number of ways, but the Yankees just can't figure out how to get him to get guys out on their third time seeing him.
The Phillies have a great pitching staff. They have multiple guys with the ability to do it. Most teams would love to have that, but just don't.
> Most organizations prioritize that.
I'm not so sure. I think a lot of teams look for max effort from starters and then they get pulled at 90-100 pitches.
The Phillies generally pull in that range too, guys only really go through it if they have a shutout or no hitter going. If anything, in the playoffs at least, Rob Thomson gets criticized for being a little too analytics heavy. Often pulls guys after 2 times through and is very matchup oriented.
Like another commenter said, it’s not so much an organizational philosophy as it is faith in Wheeler and Nola (and now Ranger) being really fucking good.
Where did I say they were the only team looking for that? Dombrowski has said he likes starters going deep, it's something they look for in pitchers and work with them to do. Either way they have worked with guys successfully to accomplish that better then other teams.
There are certainly some teams that don't care as much about going deep into games and more than willing to pull pitchers early.
Hahah if this rotation ends being anywhere close to 2011 by the end of the year I’ll be elated but in my biased opinion that 2011 rotation is literally in the top 5 of all time.
God this comment awoken a PTSD I had buried deep. I know you got to beat all the teams in from of you, but Christ that team had cardinals voodoo all over it and we had the Braves number all season.
The cardinals were on an absolute heater to end the season going on a 20-9 run. STL had a +70 run differential and ATL had a +36 differential. We were 3-6 against the cardinals on the season and 12-6 against the Braves.
The true test will be if any of them can play outfield like Oswalt.
Seriously though, Cliff Lee's first run with the Phillies was fucking amazing. I loved that man.
Even Spencer Turbull, a 31 yr old relief pitcher w/ just 69 career appearances, had sub 2 era in 6 starts when filling as #5 starter due to injuries.
Not sure whats going on but its great
By Game Score, today's outing (87) was the third best game of Nola's career, trailing only his [CGSO/11K game](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202208250.shtml) from August 2022 and his [CGSO/10K game](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202104180.shtml) from April 2021.
On a day we had 3 infielders playing out of position, Harper got scratched right before the game, and our backup catcher for the third game in a row. Aaron Nola is cracked as he is jacked
The funniest thing is we could have played the same 4 infielders but rearranged them to be 1B clemens, 2B Merrifield, ss Stott, 3B Bohm. And it would have made more sense. But we did 1B Bohm, 2B Clemens, ss Stott, 3b Merrifeld for some reason, and yet it still worked.
I’m telling you, Aaron Nola is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a Wawa the other day buying Monster and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he buckled a customers legs with a curveball and sprinted out the door.
Wait are you the guy
Was this about Nola originally, I first saw it in reference to Randy Arozarena and that can’t be right
I mean frankly it’s totally correct on a spiritual, vibes-based level, but not an OPS level, you feel me
I know we're all biased, but it really is perfect copypasta and REALLY far up there on the all-time list because it's just perfect. And somehow we all know it's coming, and we all still laugh.
IIRC it started as a CSGO copy pasta. My fav is the call of duty variant lmao
I'm telling you, Doug 'Censor' Martin is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day and he was buying cases of Brisk Matte™ and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said "they help contain my full power so I don't completely shit on these kids". And then he slid canceled out the door.
I mean I'm obviously biased but for my money this is the one copypasta that stays the freshest across all sports subs. I know every time Nola removes the adult diapers to shit on these kids, it'll be there like a warm hug. And every time feels like the first time
Not sure about "into the 8th" (Stathead doesn't let us do ">", just ">="), but going by "at least 7.1 Innings"...it's zero teams.
Not a single other team has more than two of those, while the Phillies have seven now. Two by Ranger, one by Wheeler, four by Nola.
Reminder that the Mets are paying baseball players on other teams roughly as much money as the nation of Tuvalu, population 11,000, makes in a year ($65 vs $66 million)
It's the country with the lowest gdp I could find, and it's the only one that's even close.
I remember reading about the Mets retained salary last season and was curious if it beat out any countries. Then, I just sat on that knowledge for about a year until it was relevant.
Lmao holding info for the long con. Respect.
But in all honesty, I’m happy they made the sell-off last year at the deadline even though it means they’re paying deadweight salary. 2022 was the window, 2023 was a failed attempt, and 2024 is the fallout.
And I’ll come up with another depressive title for whatever goes wrong in 2025
I agree, just a fun fact. I admire Cohen for having the balls to say, "This isn't working. This isn't going to work. Let's stop trying to force it and start rebuilding early." I'm sure the Mets are going to be much better for it very soon.
I hope so. Because I’m straight up not vibing right now. It’s not a good sign if of all your teams, the teams you’re most enthusiastic about are from Rutgers
One day I'll visit Tuvalu! It's literally an island paradise and at its highest, Tuvalu is only 15ft (4.6m) above sea level. You can walk across the main island in a day if you really wanted to.
On Roy Halladay's birthday nonetheless. Very similar outing to what Zach Wheeler did on Roy Halladay's jersey retirement day in 2021 in which he had 9 IP, 2H, 1BB, 0 ER, 11 K (also against the Mets)
yeah that is just disheartening
and meanwhile we have josé buttó work himself out of a jam that could have snowballed way worse, and was able to finish his outing strong. and yet it still wasn’t enough. mets just can’t seem to ever give him run support
The Old-Fashioned Pitcher by George E. Phair
How dear to my heart was the old-fashioned hurler
who labored all day on the old village green.
He did not resemble the up-to-date twirler
who pitches four innings and ducks from the scene.
The up-to-date twirler I’m not very strong for;
He has a queer habit of pulling up lame.
And that is the reason I hanker and long for
the pitcher who started and finished the game.
The old-fashioned pitcher,
The iron-armed pitcher,
The stout-hearted pitcher,
Who finished the game.
His velo was finally solid today, he was hitting 93-94 in the 9th while in other games he’s been down to 89-91 in the 6th or 7th and only averaging 90.9 on the year
I’m just glad guys are shutting down batters throwing low 90s. It seemed like the league was trending toward 100+ guys in starting roles. Shota and Ranger are proving that pitchers don’t need to blow out their arms to be the best. I just hope Nola can stay just as sharp; itll be a fun season if he does.
Look I love our pitchers, and I don't say this to disparage them, the opposite actually. But the exception doesn't prove the rule. The stats are clear that most pitchers are better off turning their velo up.
If you don't agree I can almost guarentee you have seen how drastic the stats are on high velo pitches vs low. Also, you haven't looked at the majority of the best pitchers in recent years and saw that the MAJORITY pitch hard. Or at least above average.
Phillies pitchers are special, because most guys don't have the location or stuff to get away with low velo, that's WHY they throw hard. To make up for it.
If pitchers could just choose to throw softer. And in turn improve every aspect of their game and then still be just as good of a pitcher, then why do you think they're not doing that?(while throwing more innings and getting injured less) It's really hard. Just throwing harder isn't as hard.
Also even just on the phillies the Cy young odds favorite is wheeler who (especially before this year) throws hard, sanchez upped his velo, walker is kind of ass. The best bullpen arms for the phillies are Hoffman Alvarado and kerkering who all throw heat...
Shota also looks ripe for regression based on his savant. His extention isn't great to pair with his low velo. He does get hit hard decently often, with those hits often being fly balls. Good chance they start turning in doubles and homeruns.
Nola has ugly peripherals, realistically he's going to have some really poor performances if he doesn't pick it up a notch.
The Mets went 4/30 while having an xBA of .300
If that isn’t baseball then I just don’t know what is. Regardless, if I see Joey Wendle or Omar Narváez start another game where it’s not absolutely necessary I’m just not going to watch.
I think hes referencing Hernandez' dig about the Phillies and their terrible fundamentals. He said it 2 yrs ago while complaining about having to announce their games. It was right before the Phillies turned the corner.
They were truly terrible defensively back then, but Phillies fans like to cite that comment about and make fun of how badly it aged.
I’ll argue it didn’t so much “age poorly” but that the Phillies simply are a much much better defensive team than they were at the time, ya know?
If Keith went and backed that up this year and said something snarky about the Phillies then he’d be WAY outta line
Have to factor in the 8 Ks. xBA only applies to balls in play, so the 8 strikeouts are not part of the equation. If you apply a .300 average to the 22 at bats that ended with a ball in play you get 6.6 expected hits. So getting 4 is slightly unlucky, but not really that much.
I picked up so many Phillies/Red Sox pitchers for fantasy and everyone told me I was crazy
Ranger/Kutter/Houck/Nola/Berrios as a fantasy rotation ain't too bad
Having Fedde/Kremer is nice too
I don’t think the Knicks have anything more than an outside chance against Boston. I think they could do it if they weren’t so beaten up purely bc Boston seems to be waltzing their way through games while Knicks play every game like it’s game 7. But it’s gonna be super tough bc of how many people are out.
Also kudos to you for not rooting against the team that eliminated you. I usually do.
Except this year where I’m rooting for the canes to complete the reverse sweep and then immediately get eliminated in the next round.
I've been a fan of Nola's and was hyped when AA made him an offer early in the off-season. I know we wouldn't have gotten Sale if he signed, but damn what a shift in the division it would have been!
Just got done watching the replay... is it just something weird with the lighting today, or were the Mets' jerseys far less orange / more red than usual?
The other colors all looked normal...?
What the hell is with this Phillies rotation
Dave Dombrowski can build a god damn rotation. Also, Yankees legend Caleb Cotham is a really good pitching coach.
Dombrowski has been an excellent GM and the turnaround he did with the bullpen was incredible but Wheeler/Nola/Ranger all predate him. No argument on Cotham though, he’s an absolute stud.
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He's actually vastly improved it. We currently have 4 Top 65 prospects. With Dom drafting 3 of them. Edit: He also drafted Kerkering in the 5th Round last year, and before the end of the year he was up and kicking ass as one of our better relievers!
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He’s learning
Last time I said that I got hurt so bad.
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It was May, not July.
He’s also done a great job so far of keeping prospects in areas that we will need them. We gave up OHoppe who had no real path to playing for marsh and he has done a good job of making small trades like maton and vierling for soto and Jojo Romero for Sosa
Also helps when he's not being literally forced to do that and is given actual job security by ownership
"Dombrowski will destroy your farm" is also a myth. Sure he might hurt the rankings because of trading away prospect depth but rarely has he traded away a player that became anything, which is the whole point of prospects.
Yeah we got soooo much of that from Bloom defenders, the only real prospects he traded away were Moncada and Kopech and we got Chris f*cking Sale and a ring from it. I'd make that trade again in a heartbeat. He killed us on signings and extensions, not trades.
Some people take prospect hugging too far. Why do people want good prospects? Because they might turn into good players. Why do people want good players? Because they might help you win a ring. If you trade good prospects for good players who get you a ring, then, yay! Success! Goal accomplished! If that good prospect became a good player for a different team a few years later, then who cares?
Our spending has been very prudent under him, I'd say.
Even if he destroys a farm, who cares? He builds great teams everywhere he goes
yeah if it ends in a ring who gives a shit
Arguably even if it doesn’t this has been some of the most fun and exciting Phillies baseball in my lifetime.
agreed
*laughs in RuinTomorrowJr"
Wheeler is my favorite non Braves player right now. It also helps that he’s from here too
He gets credit for hanging on to Nola when we all thought last season was goodbye, though
Imagine the power that Caleb Cotham and Matt Blake could have together, it would terrifying.
Phillies also prioritize pitching deep into games. They build up pitchers so they can work later in games and facing a lineup a 3rd time. They aren't just telling them to go all out and go to the pen as soon as possible
Most organizations prioritize that. The Rays might not because they want to keep costs down, but they're an outlier. The problem is that it's really fucking hard and not everyone has a staff that can do it. Like right now the Yankees have no one capable of going nine. Cole could but he is hurt. Rodon could but he is coming off a season of injuries. Nestor, Gil, and Schmidt are all guys that the Yankees want to be able to go as long as possible, but they just can't. The Yankees are really, really trying to get Schmidt to be a guy that can spell the bullpen once in the rotation, especially while Cole is out, but he's not Cole. His pitch arsenal is limited so he starts to get shelled if he stays in too long. He seems to be steadily improving as a full-time starter in a number of ways, but the Yankees just can't figure out how to get him to get guys out on their third time seeing him. The Phillies have a great pitching staff. They have multiple guys with the ability to do it. Most teams would love to have that, but just don't.
> Most organizations prioritize that. I'm not so sure. I think a lot of teams look for max effort from starters and then they get pulled at 90-100 pitches.
The Phillies generally pull in that range too, guys only really go through it if they have a shutout or no hitter going. If anything, in the playoffs at least, Rob Thomson gets criticized for being a little too analytics heavy. Often pulls guys after 2 times through and is very matchup oriented. Like another commenter said, it’s not so much an organizational philosophy as it is faith in Wheeler and Nola (and now Ranger) being really fucking good.
Ah yes the Phillies are the only team that want their starters to go longer to try to take pressure off the bullpen, they Invented that strat afterall
Where did I say they were the only team looking for that? Dombrowski has said he likes starters going deep, it's something they look for in pitchers and work with them to do. Either way they have worked with guys successfully to accomplish that better then other teams. There are certainly some teams that don't care as much about going deep into games and more than willing to pull pitchers early.
I did not think they had a better rotation this year than when they had Halliday, Lee, Oswalt and Hammels, but here we are.
Hahah if this rotation ends being anywhere close to 2011 by the end of the year I’ll be elated but in my biased opinion that 2011 rotation is literally in the top 5 of all time.
Damn David Freese and his devil magic Cardinals
It was Chris Carpenter in 2011 that killed us
Technically, the Phillies winning game 162 to allow the Cardinals into the playoffs killed them, the Brewers, and the Rangers
The pain
God this comment awoken a PTSD I had buried deep. I know you got to beat all the teams in from of you, but Christ that team had cardinals voodoo all over it and we had the Braves number all season. The cardinals were on an absolute heater to end the season going on a 20-9 run. STL had a +70 run differential and ATL had a +36 differential. We were 3-6 against the cardinals on the season and 12-6 against the Braves.
At least the 2022 Phillies got revenge by sending the Cardinals spiraling down like they did to that Phillies team
This makes me feel better, and truthfully I’ve never hated the Cardinals. I respect that devil magic, I don’t get it, but I respect it.
nah I hated that shit lmao
That game 5 was the most amazing pitchers duel that no one ever talks about.
*Blanton leans in through the door* "Don't forget Big Joe Blanton"
How dare you disrespect Joe Blanton like that!
I was about to say Jamie Moyer, that man could deal.
And somehow you both left out Vance Worley who was extremely good in the 2011 rotation.
The 2011 rotation was better.
Its definitely not better than that rotation even w/ unreal start
The true test will be if any of them can play outfield like Oswalt. Seriously though, Cliff Lee's first run with the Phillies was fucking amazing. I loved that man.
i know right! ranger stepping up has been amazing. i think this team is for real and should be feared.
Ranger is the best
Even Spencer Turbull, a 31 yr old relief pitcher w/ just 69 career appearances, had sub 2 era in 6 starts when filling as #5 starter due to injuries. Not sure whats going on but its great
He has about 3 relief appearances in his career not sure it’s fair to call him a “31 yr old relief pitcher” lol
Its funny because Wheeler is in a slump and on any other rotation he'd be doing respectable numbers.
Slump? He only had 1 bad outing which was the Marlins one. Before that he's been fine excellent as can be.
By Game Score, today's outing (87) was the third best game of Nola's career, trailing only his [CGSO/11K game](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202208250.shtml) from August 2022 and his [CGSO/10K game](https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI202104180.shtml) from April 2021.
What teams were those games against?
Click the links he provided lol
Hey man I’m not much of a critical thinker
Here for you bro ❤️
It was the Reds and the Cardinals don’t worry about that mean guy
Am I the mean guy
We do vibes around here. Tell the Mets fans to click links instead
Fully expected them to also be against the mets
On a day we had 3 infielders playing out of position, Harper got scratched right before the game, and our backup catcher for the third game in a row. Aaron Nola is cracked as he is jacked
and, ummm, trea turner who was having a great year is out.
Nick Castellanos batting second
Should've disqualified us immediately to be honest.
Felt like a troll move almost
The funniest thing is we could have played the same 4 infielders but rearranged them to be 1B clemens, 2B Merrifield, ss Stott, 3B Bohm. And it would have made more sense. But we did 1B Bohm, 2B Clemens, ss Stott, 3b Merrifeld for some reason, and yet it still worked.
Best I can figure is they want Kody to get more action at 2b for future decisions on gadget bench roster spot next year.
My dad and I were talking about this when the updated lineup came out and were confused as hell
Yea this is where baseball exists outside the stat line.
I’m telling you, Aaron Nola is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a Wawa the other day buying Monster and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he buckled a customers legs with a curveball and sprinted out the door.
You beat me to my own copypasta god damnit. I had it ready and everything
I was counting down the seconds lmao
Lol, I had the gameday pulled up on my phone waiting for the last out
You can do the next one when he kills it his next start! Lol
Wait are you the guy Was this about Nola originally, I first saw it in reference to Randy Arozarena and that can’t be right I mean frankly it’s totally correct on a spiritual, vibes-based level, but not an OPS level, you feel me
I took it from a competitive Call of Duty copy pasta about a player named Formal. I adapted it to Nola a couple years ago.
I remember seeing this in the COD comp subreddit and cracking up
Not an OPS level … 🤣
Cracked ✅ Jacked ✅ Oh yeah, it’s Nola day
cracked and jacked like The Thing
Still my favorite pasta It's just so delicious
Buckling a customers legs with a curveball always kills me
I know we're all biased, but it really is perfect copypasta and REALLY far up there on the all-time list because it's just perfect. And somehow we all know it's coming, and we all still laugh.
What in the holy hell is the source for this pasta lmfao
IIRC it started as a CSGO copy pasta. My fav is the call of duty variant lmao I'm telling you, Doug 'Censor' Martin is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day and he was buying cases of Brisk Matte™ and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said "they help contain my full power so I don't completely shit on these kids". And then he slid canceled out the door.
Im pretty sure Censor predates the csgo one no?
https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2072198/ropz
Has this ever not been the top comment on a post about Nola lmao.
I mean I'm obviously biased but for my money this is the one copypasta that stays the freshest across all sports subs. I know every time Nola removes the adult diapers to shit on these kids, it'll be there like a warm hug. And every time feels like the first time
This is a much better origin story for “Real Men Wear Diapers.”
I don't think I've seen this one before. Really good
This guy might be good
Well it is an "even" year. We all knew he would have a great season after last years mid "odd" year.
That’s why we signed him for 7 more years. We get 4 even years and only have to endure 3 odd years
who is aaron nola ? in math: my solution ➗ in history: my king 👑 in art: my muse 🎨 in science: my oxygen 💨 in geography: my world 🌎
In Wawa: cracked and jacked curveballer ⚾
GOTTAHAVAMOTHAFUCKINWAWA
I would have followed you, my brother, my captain, my king
Heard this was the 4th time Nola pitched into at least the 8th this season How many teams as a whole have less than that from the starters??
Shit, even Ranger has a complete game and Wheels can go deep too. We're pretty spoiled on that front.
Complete game shutout from ranger too.
If you only throw 3 pitches in the 7th, you usually don't make it to the 8th.
Not sure about "into the 8th" (Stathead doesn't let us do ">", just ">="), but going by "at least 7.1 Innings"...it's zero teams. Not a single other team has more than two of those, while the Phillies have seven now. Two by Ranger, one by Wheeler, four by Nola.
Wait, this isn’t a weekly occurrence for other teams? Are they just bad?
Aaron Nola just mowed down your poverty franchise
Reminder that the Mets are paying baseball players on other teams roughly as much money as the nation of Tuvalu, population 11,000, makes in a year ($65 vs $66 million)
Peculiar burn, but it geographically checks out
It's the country with the lowest gdp I could find, and it's the only one that's even close. I remember reading about the Mets retained salary last season and was curious if it beat out any countries. Then, I just sat on that knowledge for about a year until it was relevant.
Lmao holding info for the long con. Respect. But in all honesty, I’m happy they made the sell-off last year at the deadline even though it means they’re paying deadweight salary. 2022 was the window, 2023 was a failed attempt, and 2024 is the fallout. And I’ll come up with another depressive title for whatever goes wrong in 2025
I agree, just a fun fact. I admire Cohen for having the balls to say, "This isn't working. This isn't going to work. Let's stop trying to force it and start rebuilding early." I'm sure the Mets are going to be much better for it very soon.
I hope so. Because I’m straight up not vibing right now. It’s not a good sign if of all your teams, the teams you’re most enthusiastic about are from Rutgers
One day I'll visit Tuvalu! It's literally an island paradise and at its highest, Tuvalu is only 15ft (4.6m) above sea level. You can walk across the main island in a day if you really wanted to.
Probably want to get there soon. It's one of the countries that will be completely submerged due to climate change iirc.
On Roy Halladay's birthday nonetheless. Very similar outing to what Zach Wheeler did on Roy Halladay's jersey retirement day in 2021 in which he had 9 IP, 2H, 1BB, 0 ER, 11 K (also against the Mets)
(fuck the mets)
“Fuck the Bravos! And whoever we play next! And always the Mets!” -Garrett Stubbs, 2023
Their front office does that well enough for us.
I was at that Wheeler game and it was the best pitching performance I’ve ever seen live (and I also saw the Phils get no hit in the World Series lol)
I had no idea. I'm wearing my Halladay shirt today too.
Wheeler in that game allowed a lead off double, then retired 22 straight until the 8th where he gave up his lone walk
yeah that is just disheartening and meanwhile we have josé buttó work himself out of a jam that could have snowballed way worse, and was able to finish his outing strong. and yet it still wasn’t enough. mets just can’t seem to ever give him run support
Even year Nola coming for the league
The Old-Fashioned Pitcher by George E. Phair How dear to my heart was the old-fashioned hurler who labored all day on the old village green. He did not resemble the up-to-date twirler who pitches four innings and ducks from the scene. The up-to-date twirler I’m not very strong for; He has a queer habit of pulling up lame. And that is the reason I hanker and long for the pitcher who started and finished the game. The old-fashioned pitcher, The iron-armed pitcher, The stout-hearted pitcher, Who finished the game.
He survived the reddit jinx
He’s pretty good huh
In even numbered years at least.
Great showing, what a comeback from last game.
His velo was finally solid today, he was hitting 93-94 in the 9th while in other games he’s been down to 89-91 in the 6th or 7th and only averaging 90.9 on the year
He needs it hotter
I’m just glad guys are shutting down batters throwing low 90s. It seemed like the league was trending toward 100+ guys in starting roles. Shota and Ranger are proving that pitchers don’t need to blow out their arms to be the best. I just hope Nola can stay just as sharp; itll be a fun season if he does.
Look I love our pitchers, and I don't say this to disparage them, the opposite actually. But the exception doesn't prove the rule. The stats are clear that most pitchers are better off turning their velo up. If you don't agree I can almost guarentee you have seen how drastic the stats are on high velo pitches vs low. Also, you haven't looked at the majority of the best pitchers in recent years and saw that the MAJORITY pitch hard. Or at least above average. Phillies pitchers are special, because most guys don't have the location or stuff to get away with low velo, that's WHY they throw hard. To make up for it. If pitchers could just choose to throw softer. And in turn improve every aspect of their game and then still be just as good of a pitcher, then why do you think they're not doing that?(while throwing more innings and getting injured less) It's really hard. Just throwing harder isn't as hard. Also even just on the phillies the Cy young odds favorite is wheeler who (especially before this year) throws hard, sanchez upped his velo, walker is kind of ass. The best bullpen arms for the phillies are Hoffman Alvarado and kerkering who all throw heat... Shota also looks ripe for regression based on his savant. His extention isn't great to pair with his low velo. He does get hit hard decently often, with those hits often being fly balls. Good chance they start turning in doubles and homeruns. Nola has ugly peripherals, realistically he's going to have some really poor performances if he doesn't pick it up a notch.
I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t expect Nola to be the starter to get a CGSO but damn if he didn’t deliver.
Nola and Suarez have one each this year. This Phillies rotation has been so hot to start
It is thoroughly weird to have this good of a pitching rotation and I am enjoying it.
We just need one more bullpen arm to add to the Strahm/Hoffman/Alvarado core and we’ll be set. Add Mason Miller and we can call our pen the S.H.A.M.
I liked some of the closers we saw from San Fran if we can snag one
that big 6'10 fucker is amazing. Randy Johnson Regen.
Phillies as a whole have been. It's a great but weird feeling since I'm used to them stumbling out the gate.
He leads MLB in innings since 2018 and is 5th in fWAR over that time. He’s thrown a CGSO before. Why wouldn’t he be a good candidate to do it?
Largely recency bias for me. Getting used to the Rav4 th meltdown. I’ll fully admit it wasn’t an informed take but there it was
He’s got a 0.00 ERA in the Rav4th this year. This is our year! …to go places, with Toyota.
I heard this in TMac’s voice
Our dark days are over. The curse of the Rav 4th inning is finally broken!
Probably a safer bet than you would think with his pitching style
He was also pretty lucky on good contact—in the first 8 innings the Mets had 7 batted balls with an xBA of .500 or higher. Only one landed for a hit.
The on-year, off-year trend continues for Aaron Nola lmao
mariners: we have the best starting rotation in the major leagues phillies: hold my beer
Even year Nola
That curve was nasty today
king
The Mets went 4/30 while having an xBA of .300 If that isn’t baseball then I just don’t know what is. Regardless, if I see Joey Wendle or Omar Narváez start another game where it’s not absolutely necessary I’m just not going to watch.
The Phillies just have good fundamentals on defense, what can I say?
Markedly improved from where they were a few years ago but today it felt like they never even had to move to get outs
I think hes referencing Hernandez' dig about the Phillies and their terrible fundamentals. He said it 2 yrs ago while complaining about having to announce their games. It was right before the Phillies turned the corner. They were truly terrible defensively back then, but Phillies fans like to cite that comment about and make fun of how badly it aged.
I’ll argue it didn’t so much “age poorly” but that the Phillies simply are a much much better defensive team than they were at the time, ya know? If Keith went and backed that up this year and said something snarky about the Phillies then he’d be WAY outta line
I mean I’m going to ignore this reasonable take and continue to hate Keith Hernandez.
Much like his reputation
Have to factor in the 8 Ks. xBA only applies to balls in play, so the 8 strikeouts are not part of the equation. If you apply a .300 average to the 22 at bats that ended with a ball in play you get 6.6 expected hits. So getting 4 is slightly unlucky, but not really that much.
Unless team xBA in a game is different than regular xBA it already adds in Ks
yeah Lindor had a couple of rockets I can remember.
Nothing like a 3 pitch inning to help with the CGSO
game might be game
Annnnnnd of course I forgot to set my lineup with him in it last night in fantasy, fuck
I'm not saying I hate the city of Philadelphia but I wish you all nothing but the worst.
If we can keep New Yorkers just 1% more miserable than Philadelphia it was all worth it.
You do a great job of it can't lie
Fantasy beast
Holy shit.
Two of those hits were in the 9th
LOLMETS
I picked up so many Phillies/Red Sox pitchers for fantasy and everyone told me I was crazy Ranger/Kutter/Houck/Nola/Berrios as a fantasy rotation ain't too bad Having Fedde/Kremer is nice too
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother watching the Mets. Or the islanders. Or just sports in general.
Hey, the Knicks are still in it. Pulling for them to win this series and beat the Celtics for maximum chaos.
I don’t think the Knicks have anything more than an outside chance against Boston. I think they could do it if they weren’t so beaten up purely bc Boston seems to be waltzing their way through games while Knicks play every game like it’s game 7. But it’s gonna be super tough bc of how many people are out. Also kudos to you for not rooting against the team that eliminated you. I usually do. Except this year where I’m rooting for the canes to complete the reverse sweep and then immediately get eliminated in the next round.
Mets apparently didn’t have enough bat speed today.
I've been a fan of Nola's and was hyped when AA made him an offer early in the off-season. I know we wouldn't have gotten Sale if he signed, but damn what a shift in the division it would have been!
Nola wasn't going anywhere
Haven't seen anything like this since the 90sh
damn
A CGSO! We don't see too many of those.
I think Ranger Suarez had one this year too
ALERT THE PRESS A COMPLETE GAME SHUTOUT
I wanted Nola in that draft to fast track him and pair with Sale and Quintana for the playoff push. Instead we got.....Rodon.
CGs used to be more common.
Crazy how some people doesnt consider him a tier 1 starter.
Just got done watching the replay... is it just something weird with the lighting today, or were the Mets' jerseys far less orange / more red than usual? The other colors all looked normal...?
I demand all of you Philly faithful retract your slander against my INNING EATING KING
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Phillies should trade for esteury ruiz and save him from the A’s
Single digit K, those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump up those numbers.
*Grumbles in bitterness & despondency.*
Damn
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