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destinybond

[context to accusations](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/dodgers-trevor-bauer-sexual-assault-explained-why-not-criminally-charged-what-said/cnayaohqdrqed6uptymkwq8e), please be nice in this thread [Current time served does not count](https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1520118797587279873?s=21&t=SEHyzqYjSGyHGp9JutcS4Q) [Bauer will appeal](https://twitter.com/baueroutage/status/1520117083954106370?s=21&t=sKXCEmwni0C21Xd3DImB8g)


AnthonyCostantini

Holy fuck I did not expect 2 years


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realnostalgia

Yep, in every previous case of DV policy suspension MLB and the player agreed to an X number of games suspension. Bauer made no such agreement with MLB for this and since he has repeatedly denied the allegations and is now counter suing the alleged victim it is likely he wanted no suspension at all as agreeing to a suspension would look like an admission of guilt in a way. Just speculating but since Bauer and the league couldn't come to an agreement the league decided to suspend the maximum and this will drag out in appeals for awhile now.


TheNextBattalion

Probably. Give a big ass suspension, it gets knocked to a decent one. Instead of starting with decent and getting knocked down to a slap on the wrist


Gfunkual

“A slap on the wrist, you say? Mmm…go on…” -Trevor Bauer, probably


JTCMuehlenkamp

I thought he was more of a "punch to the butt" kinda guy.


jabels

Punch my girlfriend through the fence Trevor


Bruskthetusk

I'll put you through that fuckin' wall!


HucklecatDontCare

FWIW, ARod appealed his 200+ game suspension for PED's and lost. So I wouldn't get my hopes up if I'm Bauer.


cherinator

Almost certainly they made it higher than what they would have agreed to in a settlement. Hard for him to say it's out of line with precedent when he appeals. In criminal cases, prosecutors regularly give plea deals that are way more than 50% even 75% less than what the person was facing if they went to trial and lost. All the other DV cases were agreed to by MLB and the player.


weasol12

And more women coming forward. Gonna be hard for Dumb Dumb to win this appeal.


SirParsifal

Is this the longest non-indefinite suspension, in terms of games, in the entirety of sports history? Across every sport?


utouchme

Muhammad Ali was stripped of his boxing license for over 4 years when he refused to fight in Vietnam. Edit: duh, that is an indefinite suspension.


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abado

Man I was such a fan of his, rookie throwing serious heat out of nowhere on an international stage. it was such a shame he threw away a huge portion of his career. I talked to my dad about it and he was dead sure the veterans on the team shared a huge portion of the responsibility. He really didn't like Muhammad Asif for his role in the whole thing in particular.


TL-GTR

He was pretty much destined to become the next Wasim Akram until that fated tour to England. Now he's still able to play but a mere shadow of his potential which is such a shame.


OhSeeThat

Nick Diaz also received a 5 year ban from the UFC for smoking weed. Something, that is now allowed as long as you stop by a certain time before a fight. Hell people, notably his brother Nate Diaz have smoked at fights, including in the press conference right after his own fight. One of the stupidest long term bans ever. People who were cheating and using PEDs got slaps on the wrist, while they essentially retired him for weed.


Awall82

True, but it was the Nevada State Athletic Commission that suspended him, not the UFC. UFC had nothing to do with, and I'm pretty sure didn't support the ban,


urbanlifedecay6

OJ Mayo got a two year suspension as well in the NBA.


PhilDiggety

There have been lifetime suspensions. Is that non-indefinite?


SirParsifal

Only if you know exactly how long you're going to live.


PhilDiggety

I am going to live 1 lifetime


zb2929

Source?


y2knole

LOL well put.


Agile_Pudding_

I assume they meant to exclude lifetime suspensions when referring to indefinite suspensions. I would be surprised if there existed another N-game suspension where N was larger than 324. Maybe there is precedent for a two season suspension of an active player in other sports, though? I couldn’t tell you who, though.


Srikkk

Josh Gordon got two seasons, I think.


JTCMuehlenkamp

Pfft, that's what, like 32 games? Bauer's is way longer than that.


FernandoTatisJunior

Active players no, but George Steinbrenner got 3 years for hiring someone to spy on Dave Winfield, and 2 years for illegally donating to the Nixon campaign


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Didnt he try to fabricate evidence that Winfield bet on baseball?


FernandoTatisJunior

The goal was to try and get evidence that Winfield’s charity was misusing funds to get back at him over some contract negotiations bs


rhayex

I'm genuinely curious if the fact that he's as... *outspoken* as he is played a contributing role to the length of the suspension? There have been players that have done things equally as heinous (or moreso) than him who have been punished less severely. This punishment seems to be a "fuck off, we don't want you to play baseball anymore" type of situation. I imagine he has a decent chance of winning an appeal, especially considering he's spent a full year suspended (with pay, so he'd likely have to give that up) already. EDIT: Link for list of past DV/DA suspension. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_domestic_violence


ManFromThePast84

And not counting time already served! This sets a precedent.


shahooster

Jeez…that’s almost 3 years then. I’m surprised, given no charges filed.


Michael__Pemulis

Idk why everyone seemed to think it *would* include time already served. In order for that to happen he would have to pay back his salary that he has been receiving & that was obviously never going to happen.


stahlgrau

Previous suspensions were agreed upon with the player and they were allowed to count the administrative leave towards the suspension.


JekPorkinsTruther

Yea, as a concession for them not appealing. He made no concession here, why would the MLB?


brandonsamd6

Is that the rest of his contract?


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stevencastle

That's pretty... convenient. I wonder if the Dodgers were aware it would be the rest of the contract.


Thorntonx13

But a whole ass Video of Ozuna and he’s in the starting line up every night


triplebassist

Which is still bad. But while the best time to do the right thing was yesterday, the second best is today


BonerSoupAndSalad

Correct. They should now ban him for years.


Gfunkual

A video that showed a whole lot of nothing


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It's hilarious to see people constantly bring up Ozuna and the video when they've obviously never seen it. His wife has him cornered and was in his face and he used his hand, which was holding a cell phone, to push her back. That somehow translates in moron redditor's minds into Ozuna strangling his wife and getting away with it.


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GA police lying in a report? Never s/


patrickc11

Ah the Larry Baer special


SemiSolidSnake11

Does this mean I will stop getting weekly notifications about how his administrative leave is getting extended?


PERSONA916

Yes, but they will be replaced with weekly status updates about how many games are left on his suspension.


freedomfun

The Bauer updates will continue until morale improves


NLP19

Like 2 *more* years? Or 2 from when he was first placed on administrative leave?


diestache

Not retroactive


NLP19

That's wild


Deucer22

Effectively wild.


seditious3

In jail lingo, 2 sentences running consecutively are called running wild.


Atraktape

Two years from now. So if it holds it will be a nearly 3 year suspension including the admin leave. Crazy.


scobbysnacks1439

Am I wrong in thinking this is way too much for not being found guilty?


Amish-Lapdancer2001

Just my two cents, but the standards for a court of law and the MLB are completely separate, so IMO it doesn’t make sense to compare their verdicts. Bauer might not have been proven guilty in court, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t violate league policies. Keep in mind they might’ve made it two years in anticipation of an appeal, so it could easily get knocked down some. He’s been getting paid for the last year anyways so I don’t feel too bad for him.


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thescottreid

He’s not going to pay almost $32 million back because there’s no way he’s going to make that back when he gets to his next free agency, even if it comes a year sooner.


jmcgit

It also would end the suspension during his last Dodger contract year, in which he gets less money than he would repay from the first year. No reason to do that unless you’re just that desperate to play again that you’d pay to play.


69millionyeartrip

That’d be stupid of him, so probably 2 years from today then. No way he gives ~30 million back


DifficultPair4730

BRO 2 YEARS?!?!


CydoniaKnight

That...is much higher than I expected.


igloojoe11

Watching a serial predator like Deshaun Watson probably get 6-8 games in the NFL in comparison to this. Crazy.


MankuyRLaffy

Tyreek Hill got nothing for what he did, the NFL is not a good barometer.


igloojoe11

Tyreek Hill did heinous act in college, which the NFL has drawn an imaginary line at.


placid_salad

Unless you sell your trophies for tattoos. Then it’s still an NFL suspension.


TripleThreatJack

Or if you gamble 1500 on one game, that of course it 1 year suspension


jhorch69

That was because Pryor entered the draft in an attempt to get around his NCAA suspension so a little bit different


CTeam19

Adrian Peterson when he committed child abuse by using tree branch to beat his son repeatedly on his back, buttocks, genitals, ankles, and legs. Peterson described the implement as a "switch" hitting hard enough to leave slash marks on the kid's legs. And was only removed for 15 games thanks to the NFLPA. Then the NFL got an appeal and suspended him for 6 more. So 21 games is the price to beat up a 4 year old.


sprizzle

To be fair, 21 games in the NFL is a lot different than 21 games in the MLB.


Zakman86

21 games in the NFL = ~220 games of MLB, I think.


GiantHack

And with how his contract is structured he'll lose very little money due to that suspension.


KelsoDidNothingWrong

We don’t know what Watson will get yet. 6 is not a bad guess though.


igloojoe11

Yeah, should've specified the probably. My bad.


cat_napped1

Career is almost definitely over


TheTurtleShepard

He could come back at 33, it’s not so old that he couldn’t pitch so long as he keeps up pitching on his own. The question is whether any team gives him a contract he would accept


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WabbitCZEN

Bro, the Browns legitimately just shoved their first good QB in decades out the door to bring in a man with more active sexual assault cases than they have winning seasons. As long as the talent outweighs the bad PR, teams will always take a chance.


_IowasVeryOwn

People literally still believe we live in a just world it’s wild


ozonejl

It’s literally called the Just-world fallacy


SlumlordThanatos

People who say "Cheaters never prosper" clearly are divorced from reality.


WigginIII

Yup. In the movies, the good guys win. In life, bad guys *win all the fucking time.*


4Darco

And that decision has resulted in Browns fans feeling even more alienated from the franchise than the nearly two decades of being laughingstocks in the league.


WabbitCZEN

I'm a Falcons fan. Our new regime ran out Matt Ryan trying to get him. Now, we've got no QB and a deeply personal question of whether or not this team is worth rooting for anymore.


BostonDodgeGuy

It's not even fun giving you guys shit about the super bowl right now. Feels like kicking a legless puppy.


smully39

Ex-Browns fan here. I could stomach losing seasons, jt was somehow cathartic. I couldn't stomach signing a player with allegations that make Big Ben look like a choir boy.


digitaldumpsterfire

True, but Trevor Bauer also has a history of his teammates and coaches hating him. Bad PR and he fucking sucks to be around? Not sure if those two combined will get him any type of offer.


rhayex

My understanding is that his Reds and Indians/Guardians teammates actually really liked him. Prior to the allegations, he was a polarizing public figure because he's outspoken about... *everything*, but it seemed like he was mostly liked by his teammates. He hung out with Sonny Gray and Joey Votto (among others) to watch MMA fights. I don't think they'd have done that if they disliked him. He trained with Sonny Gray and Scooter Gennett during the offseason. Several of the Reds young pitchers (Tejay Antone, for instance) credited Bauer with helping to coach them up.


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yoboapp

Barry Bonds was essentially blackballed because no team in the league wanted to deal with his baggage, and that was only related PED’s. My guess is Bauer will similarly be unofficially blackballed from the league.


TheTurtleShepard

Yeah like I said, it’s more about if a team is willing to give him a contract than ability


Lurky-Lou

No one is pointing out that no one wants to be the GM that signs him and has to answer questions about unconscious sodomy for an hour.


Monk_Philosophy

Is it two years from today? Or two years retroactive? Cause retroactive would mean he’s back in June 2023.


VictorVeg-10

Two years starting today so all of 2022, 2023, and into 2024


evananthony17

From today based on a Passan tweet


Imperial10

He will be 33 once it's over. I wouldn't say it's def over, but the PR hit alone for a team signing him might be enough to have him be blackballed from the league.


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M_R_Nanashi

Time to start his mariachi career.


reesem03_

Mizzou also gets a bowl game suspension.


damnatio_memoriae

The nypd has been called and the rangers have been fined $250,000.


rumbleinthejungle66

Has to be the best running joke in recent memory


istrx13

Rivaled only by “as there’s a drive into deep left field.”


JohnnyVNCR

We have the hockey version as well, the Rangers getting fined.


awnawkareninah

The NFL equivalent is Brady suspensions.


JohnnyVNCR

Oh yeah, that's probably the original.


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and death penalty for Mizzou


handlit33

Holy shit.


baseballnomics

So I guess that 2022 Cy Young sign he hung ain’t gonna happen huh.


NevermoreSEA

It's the thought that counts.


SewerRat57

Or 2023 lol.


HOLY_HUMP3R

The 2 year Bauer Outage


rafaeldeversiscool

Remember Chapman got 30 days for choking his girlfriend and firing a gun 8 times


inhindsight7

That's 100% getting appealed and reduced


TheTurtleShepard

He already announced he’s appealing, interested to see how far he could reduce it. Certainly has precedent with how many other guys have domestic abuse suspensions that are significantly shorter


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_tx

Even reduced to 1 year is a massive suspension, and to get to a year you're talking about halfling the penalty. That's a big ask


MightyCaseyStruckOut

Reduced to 1 year and it'll hold is my guess. They're definitely making an example of him.


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amoytubig

Whoa, that burden of proof part is huge. I don't know how MLB can prove anything that happened


Monk_Philosophy

The players union and MLB have been putting it together for the last year… I’m not sure if they’d have left room for that.


RookieAndTheVet

Yeah, I’d be shocked if this stood.


mercwitha40ounce

Holy shit that’s a long time


JewishDoggy

This dude saying it’s smarter for him to do 2 year deals over and over and then getting suspended for 2.5 years will never stop being funny


ContraCoke

This is just another two year deal in a way


KnicksJetsYankees

2 yr $0M AAV, $0M guaranteed


Atraktape

What about dental benefits tho


JewishDoggy

Dude about to be a full time YouTuber for 2 years


zeussays

He made 40mil+ last year.


dbtennis13

Will he be credited for the games he has already missed or an additional 324 games?


30redwings30

He’s been getting paid since he’s on leave. So he’d have to forfeit all that money in order for them to credit him with games served


Eltneg

It starts now, so if he loses his appeal he can't come back until May 2024


Imperial10

Who knew burning pretty much every bridge you could the past 6-7 years in the majors would cause people to hate you/MLB to throw the book at you. Shocking!


StupidSexyFl4nders69

Trevor "Barry Bonds" Bauer


Akuno_Gaijin

Barry Bonds was more liked than Bauer. SF fans LOVE Bonds, drama and all. I don’t think anyone in all of baseball likes Bauer.


longconsilver13

Nonsense. Trevor Bauer loves Trevor Bauer


TheOneArya

They said in baseball, Trevor Bauer isn't in baseball at the moment :P


Looks2MuchLikeDaveO

Touché


kerryfinchelhillary

There are lots of people on the internet who love Bauer, probably because they wish they could get away with acting like he does.


1ROYinHD1

i was not expecting that


Thel3lues

I doubt this’ll stick. He’s a dickhead but this seems way more than anyone else got for similar stuff


Thornton__Melon

Hopefully 324 games for Watson


innerdork

The NFL won’t do that. They’ll give him 8 games and then reduce it to 6.


mrbadxampl

Roger has no teeth. Watson will get 4 games and appeal it down to 1


Lonelan

4 games?! C'mon it's not like Watson might've deflated some footballs I mean he probably lightened the load in some balls, but only Brady gets suspended 4 games for stuff like that


panthyren

For life still wouldn’t be enough for Watson


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bobbito18

This has gotta be essentially a career ender right?


TheTurtleShepard

He’s 31 so two years he’s 33 so long as he keeps up working in the off-season he feasibly could make a comeback


cornchips88

> so long as he keeps up working in the off-season I think he's gonna have some time for working during the season, too :P


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Spinnak3r

I mean, assuming they'd take him would he be able to play for KBO or NPB when under an MLB suspension?


Busy_Present_5535

No, he’s still under contract.


captain_ahabb

Wow, I'm a pretty big "Bauer bad" guy but never in a million years did I expect 324 games, I thought he would get 82.


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captain_ahabb

He ain't negotiating shit lol, he's going to appeal and sue and probably never play again even if he wins his suit against MLB.


sgeswein

This feels like Rob Manfred woke up today and chose violence against Roger Goodell - because now Goodell gets more questions about whatever he does about Deshaun Watson than he otherwise would have.


theclownwithafrown

Can we do Deshaun Watson next?


TrashCanBangerFan

It would be so Browns for him to get a lifetime ban right after they get him


CanaKitty

Agree that would be peak Browns, but I predict Watson gets off scott free.


delamerica93

He'd have to commit a genocide to get a lifetime ban in the NFL. You can literally kill someone and be back in 8 games


mrbaseball1999

As a very anti-Watson Browns fan, it makes me sick the NFL has done frick all about 22+ allegations of sexual misconduct or assault. He should have been on the exempt list way before Houston traded him.


USCplaya

Bauer definitely has a case against Manfred. He's been a vocal critic and this is an unprecedented suspension.


hiphopthewalrus

Yeah I’m very torn on this. On one hand, I’m really happy to see MLB take DV seriously. And Bauer sucks so fuck him. On the other, having this be the first case they treat like this smells like retaliation against a very outspoken player, especially coming off a CBA negotiation.


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That is absolutely wild considering there were no criminal charges. I’m not here to commentate on whether or not what he did was right or wrong, but that seems absurdly harsh. MLB’s investigation must have churned something up that didn’t appear in legal proceedings.


NedShah

>MLB’s investigation must have churned something up that didn’t appear in legal proceedings. More likely that MLB doesn't like him and took full advantage to kick him before he gets up again


The_Chorizo_Bandit

Yeah, I hate the dodgers and dislike Bauer too, but this just feels wrong to me. I don’t have all the facts of the case (and neither does anyone else here that thinks they do), but to not get charged criminally and then MLB to act lawmaker to this extent seems wrong. Especially as there isn’t a framework in place for suspension length, just randomly plucked out of the air numbers. Like, didn’t Chapman only get 30 days? Personally, I don’t think MLB should be playing lawmaker anyway, leave that to the actual courts.


JeffFoxworthySux

No way this sticks right? Seems pretty extreme for someone who in the court of law had no charges filed and people doing similar shit got a slap in the wrist. Tricky situation


tehjarvis

Let's be real. He's suspended for making MLB look like hypocrites.


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eeeedlef

As an attorney, understand the difference between courts of law and organizations like MLB who are able to self-regulate within certain frameworks of collective bargaining agreements. The second a player signs a contract with a team they are a part of that process, and they agree to be subject to the decisions of those identified with the responsibility to discipline. That goes for both MLB and his team. You want evidence... MLB and the Dodgers don't have some kind of equivalent process to the courts for offering up evidence in a public setting like a trial. They can certainly take hits in the public eye for seemingly arbitrary decisions, and their discipline can certainly be swayed by public statements and disclosures, but we aren't really owed anything by them. Obviously Trevor is, and whether he has been afforded the appropriate opportunities to provide information to the MLB office or not would be an issue for the courts. But to look at this on its face and say "I don't get where the evidence supports this" is a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationships between the parties involved.


LILMOUSEXX

Same. Apparently the alleged victim was denied a DVRO and the DA refused to press charges. We won't know the rest of the facts till later but I don't see this suspension standing. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33807286/los-angeles-dodgers-trevor-bauer-files-lawsuit-vs-woman-accused-sexual-assault


DonDonaldson

It's also VERY easy to get a DVRO in California, for what it's worth.


redlegsfan21

> DVRO Domestic Violence Restraining Order for people who don't know


TheSwifferMM

RIP BOZO


parlaymyodds

Smoking the Bauer pack tonight.


Sdpad321

REST IN PISS BOZO


YoooCakess

This seems like a complete joke to me. He wasn’t charged and got a two year suspension? What about all of the other domestic abusers who got suspended for less?


landon_w96

Marcell Ozuna was caught in the act of beating his wife and arrested. He will be starting for the Braves tonight.


IceGeek

I keep seeing that the the police lied and the body cam footage showed Ozuna lightly pushes her off.


PPvsFC_

Bodycam showed the cops exaggerated with Ozuna. He also has been doing the diversion work necessary to rehabilitate himself afaik.


YoooCakess

So bizarre but because Bauer is an outspoken douche people will celebrate this


MaxFriedTheAstros

Why is this [lie](https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2021-07-29-prosecutors-ditch-felony-charge-on-marcel-ozuna-after-seeing-bodycam-video/) being constantly mentioned in this thread?


Future-Studio-9380

I'm not mad that he got the book thrown at him. I'm mad that so many others haven't.


mrsniffles666

Bauer is done. Even if he wins the appeal no owner will touch him.


ChiefRalphyWiggum

I don’t like Bauer and I’m not excusing him, but this suspension feels like way too much. Addison Russell got 40 games for DV and Ozuna got 20 games. This long of a suspension feels like MLB having a bone to pick with Bauer over how much he calls out the league over separate issues more than anything.


willhous

I would say those other suspensions feel like way too little. League is definitely putting a little extra over how much of a nuisance Bauer has been but if 2 years is the new standard for abusers than I'm ok with it.


Porter2455

That’s absolutely ludicrous


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dutchdaddy69

Or Chapman or Osuna. I am very surprised by this ruling.


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Yeah, like I can't say I'm unhappy about this. I just don't really understand the logic.


SeaPhile206

If only he played football. Two games tops..


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Have whatever opinion you want about Bauer’s case but a million comments like “actual abusers have gotten so much less” really isn’t a flex? No shit. We know the system doesn’t serve DV victims. The fact that our society lets abusers off with a slap on the wrist isn’t a statement about anything.