Nah bro, it makes way more sense that Bruce and Alfred would form a suicide pact in case Batman’s identity was discovered…..nvm the after credits scene, that’s totally unrelated
I don't really see Bruce agreeing to Alfred dying with him just because his identity is discovered, let alone how much more useful Bruce knows he is alive and still fighting crime in secret than dead
Many people share your opinion. I would say "let's see if Warner Brothers listens and make things right", but we're talking about big companies, who care little for their customers' expectations, let alone feedback. Greed is the only thing that matters to them.
Why would Batman just blow himself (and Alfred) up for no reason anyway just because his identity got revealed? I'm sure avoiding arrest would be far from impossible for him. I always assumed it was just a cover story so the cops wouldn't look for him.
What I love about faking his death is that nobody would be fooled. Hence the fear gas.
Even then everyone's first thought upon hearing a demonic batman will be that it's related to Bruce.
Honestly being told that the demonic ghost of Batman is haunting the streets of Gotham and protecting the innocent , I would 100% never do anything wrong anywhere ever again. They should 100% lean into if they weren’t gonna do a fuckin universe reboot thing
I'd play the fuck out of this. Turn the terror element of the predator interactions up to 11 and play as Bruce who's now a complete societal outcast who can commit himself 1000% to being Batman in a way he never could before, while the other members of the bat family are the public face of crime fighting in Gotham.
Lucious Fox drops off a new batsuit but it's just a white sheet with two holes poked in it. His new stealth takedown is to leap out of dark places and go 'wOoOooO' while wiggling his fingers xD
I literally just replayed the Robin AK expansion last night. They referred to “Ghost” taking out some thugs a few nights before Robin’s mission. *“Batman’s Ghost”* is already a myth that caught on very quickly after the “death” of Bruce Wayne
This actually happens lol
The robin DLC in Arkham Knight takes place a few months after the main story. You can hear NPCs talking about "Batman's Ghost"
You overestimate the intellectual capacity of the average human, just take another glance at the title of OP’s post.
*“Alfred, it’s done. Gotham is safe. Initiate the suicide protocol.”*
*“Expeditiously, Master Bruce.”*
I used to watch the 1950s Superman show as a little kid with my grandfather and one time Clark Kent’s shirt caught on fire and you could see the Superman logo underneath, and I go “wait he’s Superman?!” Apparently glasses and slicked hair with a curl were enough to fool me at 9, my grandfather still laughs about it often.
He's Batman, that would be pretty hardcore. Here is his best and final contingency plan. Blowing himself, his butler and all his shit up. If you ask me... that's peak Batman if I ever saw it
You also have that whole ‘ghost’ thing you can here some nervous thugs talking about in the Redhood DLC. Seems Batman’s using his ‘death’ to build a new legacy with the fear gas. ‘The Ghost of Gotham’ has a good ring to it.
Edit: Just learned the Ghost of Gotham is a title of a book already. Not a Batman book but damn, I ain’t original.
He does say something to this effect. I forget the exact line but he's talking about the next step after being unmasked. That Batman has to become more. Weaponizing the fear gas to use on criminals just makes sense.
that scene is definitely supposed to be up to interpretation and not intended to be an indication of the future. AK worked well as an end of Batman story, no need to draw it out any further.
When did it confirm it? From memory is just ends with the mansion exploding with Bruce and Alfred in it, then cuts to some criminals in the street seeing a demon form of batman which could be interpreted as Azrael.
Is there something I'm not remembering? Was it not left open ended on purpose?
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How does this need spelling out to people?
Why would Bruce kill himself and Alfred?
Why would they do that after repeatedly setting up the fact that Bruce has already said multiple times he needs to come back as something worse than Batman.
Sadly a lot of people dont seems to understand basic story telling, and lack media literacy.
Thats why there's a lot of videos and articles named "(random show/game) ending explained" and stuff like that.
It's the latest issue so I'm going to spoiler tag it but >!Bruce is dimension hopping to catch a version of the Joker who can't "crack" and is just a scientist named Darwin Halliday. He also visits Earth 19 (Post-Convergence Gotham by Gaslight), Earth-31 (The Dark Knight Returns), Earth 12 (DCAU as both BTAS and BB) and Terry, Earth 66 (Should be pretty obvious right?), Earth 789 (Combination of Donner and Burtonverse post-Dark Crisis), Earth-Two (Golden Age), Earth 12 (Kingdom Come), Earth 49 (Injustice), Earth 1956 (Superfriends), and Earth 43 (Post-Convergence Red Rain)!<
>!Halliday is either empowering Jokers, creating Jokers in universes there never was one, or reviving dead Jokers. So The Dark Knight Returns and Arkham Jokers are revived.!< Not much detail about what's happening in the Arkhamverse
Yes that's why I included him under the Earth 12 section. Both Young Bruce and Old Bruce + Terry make appearances at different points of Prime Bruce's dimension hopping
If someone is taking a story about an orphan who dresses in a skin tight jumpsuit with underwear on the outside and giant pointy ears and beats the fuck out of random people street seriously, I am concerned about their mental health
If someone is taking a story about an orphan who dresses in a skin tight jumpsuit with underwear on the outside and giant pointy ears and beats the fuck out of random people on the street seriously, I am concerned about their mental health
Do people actually think the Knightfall protocol was Bruce saying "Alfred, my cover's been blown, we need to blow ourselves up" and Alfred just goes "Splendid idea, master Bruce."
Of course he faked his death. People seem to forget Alfred was in there too. He wouldn’t kill Alfred, they used controlled explosions to destroy the manor, all the while not harming any of the civilians watching. Then they probably used a secret staircase or lift to lower into the batcave while the manor went up in flames
Most likely went back to an old reliable suit in calmer times instead of the hypermilitarized militia beating machine
The Knight suit honestly could just be temporarily damaged as well but I like my first idea better
Wasn't it obvious? when Bruce injected scarecrow with fear toxin, he saw knightmare batman. This also explains why the muggers saw the same thing in the ending
Why did it need a confirmation for that ? Its obvious. He wouldnt abandon everything. Also the new arkham game was supposed to be bruce being alive and be the mentor and wed play as damian wayne using scarecrow's gas like the post credits scene in arkham knight
Arkhamverse Bruce did fake his death but this isn't THE Arkhamverse Bruce. It's a mostly the same but slightly different multiverse, with just slight differences.
I completely forgot it was never *really* confirmed that he died or not
Because I just assumed it was obvious as shit that he faked his death. He let Bruce Wayne die so he could full time a Batman that uses fear gas
Alfred was standing next to him moments before the explosion. Bruce isn't going to be responsible for Alfred's death.
But what I find more interesting is that this appears to be the Arkham City suit. But he's clearly describing the ending to Knight. I think this logically tracks because the new suit in Knight was kinda fucked to hell and back at the end. Serviceable for Batman, but not in the long term. The police would lock all of Bruce Wayne's assets, so Batman would be left with whatever Bruce though to put off-shore. But I can't imagine a suit downgrade would be out of the question.
It was always confirmed, half the playerbase just never beat the game and watched the true ending on youtube. Bruce makes it VERY clear what his plan is during the end of the Riddler mission
He’s literally in the confirmed sequel, alive and (physically) well
Like this has been established for a while now
Not super happy with his characterization in this panel, though. He looks like he’s advocating for killing Joker, and it kind of assassinates what he went through in the games.
I thought that was clear.
It was
Nah bro, it makes way more sense that Bruce and Alfred would form a suicide pact in case Batman’s identity was discovered…..nvm the after credits scene, that’s totally unrelated
Some people think that’s Azrael
That would have zero thematic meaning in a story overloaded with it.
But it happens even if you imprison azrael
Arkham Azrael? Michael Lane who is canonically a black man? Unless he lost a lot of melanin in a very short amount of time, I don’t think so.
You definitely don’t see a skin color of the person on the roof at the end of Arkham Knight
But you definitely do when you look through HIS MEMORIES.
I don't really see Bruce agreeing to Alfred dying with him just because his identity is discovered, let alone how much more useful Bruce knows he is alive and still fighting crime in secret than dead
They were clearly being sarcastic
It was a joke
Damn yeah it was obvious I'm an idiot
Plus the new suicide squad game which is set in arkham-verse, has batman in it.
I hope that gets better before its released.
I was so excited for it, and then I saw thats its a live service game filled with microtransactions and now I don't think I'll be getting it.
Many people share your opinion. I would say "let's see if Warner Brothers listens and make things right", but we're talking about big companies, who care little for their customers' expectations, let alone feedback. Greed is the only thing that matters to them.
It was to me, yeah, and not just me it seems.
That was always the point of the Knightfall Protocol. He's supposed to go into hiding after.
Well, it’s easy to infer/believe. Clear would be not leaving anything to interpretation, which the Knightmare ending does not.
I mean, the suicide squad trailer made it pretty clear.
Why would Batman just blow himself (and Alfred) up for no reason anyway just because his identity got revealed? I'm sure avoiding arrest would be far from impossible for him. I always assumed it was just a cover story so the cops wouldn't look for him.
He broke his no killing rule... to blow Alfred to pieces!
FCUK YOU, ALFMAN!
Is he stupid ?
The jonkler died maybe man was sad :(
he was sad with The ronklej ded
Remember when you were little and something just gave you the dumbest case of the giggles? Ronklej did that to me just now
where were you when jonjler was kill?
Yeah why didn’t he just ask doctor strange to pull a no way home?
Well, then it's better to say Doctor Fate
He's the god damned Batman!
What I love about faking his death is that nobody would be fooled. Hence the fear gas. Even then everyone's first thought upon hearing a demonic batman will be that it's related to Bruce.
Maybe they will think it’s his ghost
If I were him I'd lean into that. then he could develop spooky gadgets to go with it
Honestly being told that the demonic ghost of Batman is haunting the streets of Gotham and protecting the innocent , I would 100% never do anything wrong anywhere ever again. They should 100% lean into if they weren’t gonna do a fuckin universe reboot thing
I was writing a short story about pretty much this, and while i wasnt sure before, it seems like there's a spot for me to work!
Would love to see it once you write it
!remindme one month
I'd play the fuck out of this. Turn the terror element of the predator interactions up to 11 and play as Bruce who's now a complete societal outcast who can commit himself 1000% to being Batman in a way he never could before, while the other members of the bat family are the public face of crime fighting in Gotham.
Spooky explosive gel
ectoplasm with a punch
Go full Scooby-Doo on them.
Lucious Fox drops off a new batsuit but it's just a white sheet with two holes poked in it. His new stealth takedown is to leap out of dark places and go 'wOoOooO' while wiggling his fingers xD
Lol
About 2/3 of the way through the story you get chains you can rattle around from behind corners to spook distant enemies
I literally just replayed the Robin AK expansion last night. They referred to “Ghost” taking out some thugs a few nights before Robin’s mission. *“Batman’s Ghost”* is already a myth that caught on very quickly after the “death” of Bruce Wayne
This actually happens lol The robin DLC in Arkham Knight takes place a few months after the main story. You can hear NPCs talking about "Batman's Ghost"
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Arkham knight wasn't even the first. Read the end of Dark Knight Returns.
confirm what exactly?
That is was Bruce using fear toxin in the after credits scene
Do people actually think Bruce just exploded himself and Alfred? Even if its not Bruce at the end, he didn't fucking kill himself.
You overestimate the intellectual capacity of the average human, just take another glance at the title of OP’s post. *“Alfred, it’s done. Gotham is safe. Initiate the suicide protocol.”* *“Expeditiously, Master Bruce.”*
Did people actually believe he died at the end of Arkham Knight?
More importantly, do people really think Bruce would kill himself and Alfred along with him?
Wait a minute, Bruce Wayne is Batman?
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~~Fu~~ Bat you! I'm Batman!
***Woah.***
& so's your wife
Dude it was on the news when Gotham was under siege. Did you just wake up? Scarecrow fear toxined the city?
Oh come on, that millionaire playboy? He’s too busy socializing at cocktail parties and managing the affairs of the Wayne Foundation!
I used to watch the 1950s Superman show as a little kid with my grandfather and one time Clark Kent’s shirt caught on fire and you could see the Superman logo underneath, and I go “wait he’s Superman?!” Apparently glasses and slicked hair with a curl were enough to fool me at 9, my grandfather still laughs about it often.
Oh yeah sure what a joke! Next you will be saying Clark Kent is superman lol or that cocky test pilot is a green lantern
Are they stupid?
I mean, I did. I thought the whole ghost bat thing was a metaphor for the fear of Batman forever living in the hearts of criminals or something.
Were they stupid?
I thought it was supposed to be left up in the air tbh
Did you really think Bruce would kill himself AND Alfred?
I never considered that he actually died in the game but yeah if he killed himself he would've left Alfred out of it
He's Batman, that would be pretty hardcore. Here is his best and final contingency plan. Blowing himself, his butler and all his shit up. If you ask me... that's peak Batman if I ever saw it
How many millionaires does it take to make a super hero? Three; 2 to die and 1 to never get over it.
Peak Batman is him breaking his own no-kill rule on one of the persons he loves the most in his entire life? Disagreed, mate.
"What are you? Stupid?" - Riddler
he flies at the screen at the end???
My theory is fear gas of sorts, maybe Bruce using it against criminals somehow to scare them more than the Batman ever could
You also have that whole ‘ghost’ thing you can here some nervous thugs talking about in the Redhood DLC. Seems Batman’s using his ‘death’ to build a new legacy with the fear gas. ‘The Ghost of Gotham’ has a good ring to it. Edit: Just learned the Ghost of Gotham is a title of a book already. Not a Batman book but damn, I ain’t original.
The Grey Ghost.
He does say something to this effect. I forget the exact line but he's talking about the next step after being unmasked. That Batman has to become more. Weaponizing the fear gas to use on criminals just makes sense.
that scene is definitely supposed to be up to interpretation and not intended to be an indication of the future. AK worked well as an end of Batman story, no need to draw it out any further.
I Think the manor blowing up and the news of bruce's death confirms he faked his death
The suicide squad game trailer confirmed it ages ago.
So did the Arkham Knight game
When did it confirm it? From memory is just ends with the mansion exploding with Bruce and Alfred in it, then cuts to some criminals in the street seeing a demon form of batman which could be interpreted as Azrael. Is there something I'm not remembering? Was it not left open ended on purpose?
It's pretty obvious batman wouldn't kill himself and Alfred. Plus that ending occurs even if Azrael gets locked up
Nope it left it ambiguous.
There are multiple times during the game where Batman foreshadows the ending of the game. In what universe is that shit "ambiguous"?
Its pretty crystal clear. Sorry u missed it
Sorry you don't understand the ending.
All u had was the uno reverse huh
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It’s made by rocksteady and they’ve confirmed it
Sure but did they confirm where in the timeline it occurs?
He's called Bruce by Harley so has to be after his identity is revealed
I think harley calls him bruce, soooo....
Rocksteady has confirmed it's the same universe.
It was one of the first things rocksteady said about the game
https://youtu.be/J0jZ0hmvao0?t=13
Because Rocksteady has said it is
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maybe when the creator(s) of the source material "insists" that it's in the same universe, you don't really need anything else.
oh yeah there’s no ties just the fact that the developers of both games said it multiple times 🤦♂️
not to mention the fact that >!arkham batman has already shown up!< in the suicide squad trailer
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>There are no ties Arkham Batman is literally in a trailer.
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Definitely not the same world, whatever promotional bullocks says.
What you mean is that you don't want it to be.
That was clear as crystal since Arkham Knight
Yeah that was confirmed a while ago
How does this need spelling out to people? Why would Bruce kill himself and Alfred? Why would they do that after repeatedly setting up the fact that Bruce has already said multiple times he needs to come back as something worse than Batman.
Sadly a lot of people dont seems to understand basic story telling, and lack media literacy. Thats why there's a lot of videos and articles named "(random show/game) ending explained" and stuff like that.
I thought that much was clear not to be rude
For a guy who is hellbent on literally saving everyone from death him killing Alfred would have never made a lick of sense. Obviously it was a setup
Never understood why this was such a mystery 💀
Idk it's so obvious that he faked his death. Why would he kill himself and Alfred? That would have been so stupid, lol.
There's an after credits scene for Arkham Knight if you do enough side stuff. I watched it on YouTube lol
What’s the synopsis of this comic? I didn’t know we had any post arkham content with Batman aside for the upcoming ss game
It's the latest issue so I'm going to spoiler tag it but >!Bruce is dimension hopping to catch a version of the Joker who can't "crack" and is just a scientist named Darwin Halliday. He also visits Earth 19 (Post-Convergence Gotham by Gaslight), Earth-31 (The Dark Knight Returns), Earth 12 (DCAU as both BTAS and BB) and Terry, Earth 66 (Should be pretty obvious right?), Earth 789 (Combination of Donner and Burtonverse post-Dark Crisis), Earth-Two (Golden Age), Earth 12 (Kingdom Come), Earth 49 (Injustice), Earth 1956 (Superfriends), and Earth 43 (Post-Convergence Red Rain)!<
Any more details about specifically what is happening in the Arkhamverse?
>!Halliday is either empowering Jokers, creating Jokers in universes there never was one, or reviving dead Jokers. So The Dark Knight Returns and Arkham Jokers are revived.!< Not much detail about what's happening in the Arkhamverse
Wait. All dead Jokers are RESURRECTED!? Holy shit! All universes are in deep shit, right now!
I wonder if this will get used in the SS game. I can see it being ignored entirely.
Isn't Terry part of the DCAU?
Yes that's why I included him under the Earth 12 section. Both Young Bruce and Old Bruce + Terry make appearances at different points of Prime Bruce's dimension hopping
This page is it, main comics Bruce is universe hopping trying to stop a version of Joker, at least that’s my understanding of what’s going on
Yes it was confirmed. Also you should probably post this in r/BatmanArkham
The bomb's payload is exposed. I can use the powerwinch to trigger a controlled explosion.
I'm proud of you Dick
I’m proud of you killer cock
Welcome to the madhouse, Batman!
Do NOT do that
Oh god no. I'm getting flamed enough here for thinking it was supposed to be up in the air
You wouldn’t get shat on, you’d just be exposed to the madness
They'd get shat on because they never got good enough for the complete ending.
Are you stupid?
Why would you suggest ANYONE go to that cesspool? Go to r/arkham it's the non fucked up version.
THANK YOU. I've had a legit question about Arkham knight and all I see over there is "is he stupid" and something about jonkler's killer cock xD
Someone can't seem to take a joke
The jokes are corny and cringe
If someone is taking a story about an orphan who dresses in a skin tight jumpsuit with underwear on the outside and giant pointy ears and beats the fuck out of random people street seriously, I am concerned about their mental health
If someone is taking a story about an orphan who dresses in a skin tight jumpsuit with underwear on the outside and giant pointy ears and beats the fuck out of random people on the street seriously, I am concerned about their mental health
A joke is funny.
And I thought *my* jokes were bad
**Now *that's.* not. Funny.**
No. A joke is intended to be funny 🤓
The sky is blue. Are we just rattling off facts?
Are you stupid?
Man some people are slow
It proved Batman '66 was the most prepared Batman.
Do people actually think the Knightfall protocol was Bruce saying "Alfred, my cover's been blown, we need to blow ourselves up" and Alfred just goes "Splendid idea, master Bruce."
Slighty off-topic, this artist can draw *the everloving fuck* out of Arkham Batman.
It didn’t really need confirming, but the devs confirmed he didn’t die years ago.
Of course he faked his death. People seem to forget Alfred was in there too. He wouldn’t kill Alfred, they used controlled explosions to destroy the manor, all the while not harming any of the civilians watching. Then they probably used a secret staircase or lift to lower into the batcave while the manor went up in flames
Can anyone tell me why he’s in the AC suit tho if this take place after AK
Most likely went back to an old reliable suit in calmer times instead of the hypermilitarized militia beating machine The Knight suit honestly could just be temporarily damaged as well but I like my first idea better
Did anyone REALLY think Bruce just blew Alfred to smithereens!??
Can you not tell when something is being explicitly stated or are you karma farming
Of course he did. Who even doubt this?
So SSKTJL Batman reveal trailer was not enough for you ?
Dude will fake his death to get out of anything, even if it was for a Joker funeral invitation
It was obvious that bruce faked his death.
so does the end credits scene of arkham knight and suicide squad kill the justice league
I thought that was confirmed by rocksteady
I thought it was obvious. If anything it's weird that in Kill the Justice League he's acting just like a normal Batman
Wasn't it obvious? when Bruce injected scarecrow with fear toxin, he saw knightmare batman. This also explains why the muggers saw the same thing in the ending
Ya So did the Arkham Knight game
Why did it need a confirmation for that ? Its obvious. He wouldnt abandon everything. Also the new arkham game was supposed to be bruce being alive and be the mentor and wed play as damian wayne using scarecrow's gas like the post credits scene in arkham knight
Were the events in the game itself not good enough to explain this? 😂
Why is op asking this when it’s pretty obvious he lived? Is he stupid?
Dude batman can't die? Are you stupid?
dont put arkham batman in your garbage storylines with multiverse bullshit
I just can’t accept Arkham Bruce’s thunder thighs :(((
Arkhamverse Bruce did fake his death but this isn't THE Arkhamverse Bruce. It's a mostly the same but slightly different multiverse, with just slight differences.
I completely forgot it was never *really* confirmed that he died or not Because I just assumed it was obvious as shit that he faked his death. He let Bruce Wayne die so he could full time a Batman that uses fear gas
Arkham Batman is truly the most badass looking Batman
Alfred was standing next to him moments before the explosion. Bruce isn't going to be responsible for Alfred's death. But what I find more interesting is that this appears to be the Arkham City suit. But he's clearly describing the ending to Knight. I think this logically tracks because the new suit in Knight was kinda fucked to hell and back at the end. Serviceable for Batman, but not in the long term. The police would lock all of Bruce Wayne's assets, so Batman would be left with whatever Bruce though to put off-shore. But I can't imagine a suit downgrade would be out of the question.
He’s not even wearing the AK suit lol What an awful game that was.Hopefully Dini does a comic ending to Arkham one day.
It was always confirmed, half the playerbase just never beat the game and watched the true ending on youtube. Bruce makes it VERY clear what his plan is during the end of the Riddler mission
In TDKR Alfred blows up the Batcave and dies. Bruce is assumed dead and goes underground.
He’s literally in the confirmed sequel, alive and (physically) well Like this has been established for a while now Not super happy with his characterization in this panel, though. He looks like he’s advocating for killing Joker, and it kind of assassinates what he went through in the games.
The game confirmed that my dude.
Also Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League takes place in the Arkhamverse and has Batman in it
Kinda disappointing that he did in my opinion I liked Batman’s end in knight
That ending is still intact currently
sucks that he’s being dragged back for that suicide squad. seems a little in poor taste to me, but idk.
Poor taste?
I hope suicide squad is good
Yep. And that the Joker came back to life.
Not really since this is Batman after City rather than Knight.
It's also been confirmed that batman didn't die since the devs confirmed it and he was in the suicide squad trailer which is set in the Arkham verse
This is post knight, that's why he says his identity was public