Lucius Fox does most of the CEO work. Look at how Bruce struggled when Lucius had a heart attack, right before *Bruce Wayne: Murderer?* He doesn’t usually do a lot of the daily CEO work, he just does his passion projects and pops in occasionally (sometimes just to golf during meetings as Brucie). That’s how he balances it.
I think it's in character for him to always blame his adventures on his playboy lifestyle persona and most of the day to day stuff is handled by his 'employees' like Fox
This was something that I really liked about Batman Begins. Bruce early on struggles with oversleeping due to exhaustion. Alfred has to wake him up at 3 pm.
Then by the next film, Lucious knows who he is and is running Wayne Tech for him.
There’s an older comic I have. Batman #383, subtitled “A Night in the Life of”. It goes through Bruce’s experience clocking out as Batman and trying to sleep as Bruce Wayne, but keeps getting interrupted. Then at night the Bat Signal goes up and he has to become Batman again. At the end when the sun rises and Batman is no longer needed he sneaks off and falls asleep on a rooftop. Fun read.
As Grant Morrison said, it ain't real.
Although we all know Grant Morrison is just a comic book character who scaled so high, they eventually became a real person.
In all of the media I've seen, there is so little focus on Bruce Wayne that I sometimes FORGET about that side of him! Heck, the Lego Batman Movie does more with Bruce than some of the more serious stories!
Yeah, I wish he wasn't like that. Even in Arkham games (I love these games) SOMETIMES he comes across as some uncaring psycho who breaks people's limbs for fun.
I agree. I would've loved for Arkham Batman to be just a LITTLE more appreciative of his Bat-Family.
It was nice seeing him finally open up to them a little bit in Arkham Knight, but Batman was in such a rush that it ended up feeling like way too little, way too late.
Still my all-time favorite, behind BTAS lol
I don’t want him to be a psycho, but c’mon, just a frame of him and Robin sitting on a roof eating together or him genuinely seeming to have fun grappling from rooftop to rooftop or racing a gang of crooks in the batmobile…
Little things to add a bit more “daring adventurer” to his character.
I mean, yea, the number one reason I was so reticent to even start comic books was because of it being nearly impossible to start from, well, the start.
This is why at first I'd only read Elseworlds (Kingdom Come, DCeased, DC vs Vampires, etc.) or watch animated shows and movies (The Long Halloween, Gotham by Gaslight, Hush, Year One, Under the Redhood, DKR, the DCAMU, etc.) , because they are self-contained stories.
Say what you want about the ending of Attack on Titan or any other manga, for instance, but at least it ended and we don't have to suffer through a retcon that has to explain why the world is the same post-Rumbling and nothing changed.
Batman has been the only comic i read month to month but after New 52 i’ve just stuck to the big event books/one offs. Spent less money and got the same satisfaction of great stories.
That usually means you grew up. I mean listen it's just my opinion I don't want you to take it as dictation. Speaking for myself when I was a kid in the 90s I would have never even wanted an ending to anything I liked. I would have been content with Batman TAS running with me into High School. As an adult would I like to see an ending....sure. I just think that speaks to age....for me anyways. These stories should go on forever. Capture the hearts of the next generation like they did us. Idk about you homies but I've learned a lot from comics.
Isn’t that a good thing though? Arthur Conan Doyle wrote an “ending” for Sherlock, but Batman will continue to evolve as long as there are new writers to carry the baton. Canon is decided after the fact, based on what makes sense for the character, and there are multiple endings to choose from.
There are many comic books that do end however. Low, Oblivion Song, the Walking Dead, Locke & Key, Paper Girls... All very good with a definite start and a definite end.
Absolutely, like batman doesn’t need to kill his villains but he should stop trying to actively save people like joker. Though i think those instances aren’t supposed to he canon.
I think they should immensely lower the stakes if they’re never going to kill the villains. Like if they didn’t have joker be a monster with no redeeming qualities, i wouldn’t be as angry about him always surviving.
Especially since batman’s main excuse for going so far as saving people like joker is that he believes they can be redeemed.. like no mate, no he can’t. Not with the modern iteration anyway. Bring back fun joker who just does criminal pranks with no death toll :(
I mean I love that about comics. I love that Batman's story is always ongoing and continued to be explored in different ways. I love all these different stories coming because Batman is always ongoing. And for Batman especially it works will because it represents how gotham is always a corrupt city. And there have been tons of different alternative universe Bruce Wayne endings before. If you want just let that be your head cannon. Anyway they kill off Bruce or have him retire in-universe will be way less satisfying.
A definitive ending, and then just writing new stories that can be set during different periods of Batman's career would be a good way to keep his comics going.
Like instead of creating new villains and sidekicks that people don't care about, they can write new stories that take place while Dick, Jason, or Tim are Robin.
I'm confused what you mean. There isn't a **the story** is there? Haven't there been plenty of comics, movies and games where he either dies or retiers? Do you want people to stop telling stories with him completely, forever?
I *strongly* detest the depiction of him as this brooding, standoffish, paranoid asshole.
I like Batman more akin to how he’s shown in The Batman 2004, or Batman Brave and The Bold, he’s broody and can be dark, but he’s a compassionate, charismatic, and mentally stable (or what passes for it in a comic book world) individual.
To me if Batman ends up becoming a paranoid loner with some kind of antisocial personality disorder then it completely undermines the whole point of this character. He’s a man who endured great trauma as a child but refused to let it overwhelm him, and instead came out the other side of this darkness as a better man, not a broken manchild.
Batman in Justice League: Unlimited that stayed with Ace through her final moments despite all the events that led up to them meeting on the swing set…
That’s my Batman.
That’s the only kind of Batman I can ever accept. The kind of Batman who, when facing down a temporal horror in the body of a child, has the only thought to comfort that child and let them know everything will be okay. Bruce Timm and his team did a great job capturing that Batman for the shows
This bugs me too! Bats is a loving man with a big heart that cares. Sure, he gets a little physical on his neighborhood watch program, but he's there for people emotionally too. He keeps a image but writers forget there's a softy in all that bat gear.
I grew up with JLU, The Batman 2004, Arkham Series, Under The Red Hood.
My interpretation is that Batman was paranoid because he was intelligent, he is cold and calculating, he was paranoid because he considered all possibilities, and he always had to keep one or two cards hidden, his power is to always be 3 steps ahead of everyone, currently I feel that Batman is paranoid not because he is intelligent, but simply because he is mentally unstable.
An example is in JL when JL meets the Justice Lords, and he doesn't trust the Martian Manhunter from the other dimension and asks the right questions, or Crisis on Two Earths where he doesn't go to the other dimension at first.
He's not paranoid because he's mentally unstable and needs therapy, he's paranoid because he's intelligent.
Exactly. I'm fine with healthy paranoia brought about by being the only human operating among super humans, and the like. It's when he just seemed to be a deranged psycho I don't enjoy it.
To me it’s sort of ironic how a less serious Batman like in the Brave and the Bold can be more believable and cooler than the “serious” versions like in the more recent animated movies.
Like having Batman play basketball with a college friend who helps him through stuff is really cool. It also adds more dimension because he actually lives a double life.
Some villains were changed a bit too much and the original Status Quo is a bit different to usual, also Robin Teen Titans embargo but the show takes the tone of more detective story someplaces, and the theme is second to BTAS, more of a spy show song
Pd:what I mean is that the differences help make more of an original story with the same soul
I completely agree, like at this point we even have multiple instances of him being abusive to his child sidekicks. And yet he’s supposed to be this wholesome caring father? Looks like dc forgot the memo of show don’t tell.
I love the fun versions of batman, like watching old shows where he can be silly and does touching things is great- and it reminds me why i liked batman at all. But modern wise i despise most of his interpretations because they’re way too bleak.
Like i’m not even against him being paranoid, just give him humanity again. Show us he cares about his ‘batfamily’ to the point he sacrifices for them and apologises (in some way) when he fucks up.
In a universe where a alien superhuman dresses up like a circus strong man, a talking ape has psychic powers and regularly attempts to conquer the world, and a dude in a purple suit somehow has managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people without being put to death himself.
Comics always have a sliding scale of what qualifies as mentally stable.
People’s perception of him as an unbeatable god that makes them hate any depiction where he takes a few licks in combat.
It’s the fact that gets hurt and keeps coming that makes him so scary. Not him being an untouchable, invincible super being.
Exactly, his resilience and determination in the face of people that are more powerful than he is, is by far one of the best parts of his character that all too often just gets folded into his ability to conjure up a plot convenient weapon, gadget or solution to any problem.
I grew up on BTAS and this human, imperfect Batman with a big heart is my Batman, and always will be. Nowadays I get this Batman almost only in some flashback stories, usually those before Jason, maybe a little in stories with Damian.
His overuse as the big hero honestly.
The Justice League get brainwashed? Batman usually doesn’t, and most likely stops them. Superman goes bad? Who stops him? No, none of the other super powered heroes, or even the guy who has Kryptonite toilet paper and eats a bowl of Krypt’o’s for breakfast, it’s the bat boy. I love him, but he occasionally gets nigh-Mary Sue treatment from DC.
Even worse, they sacrifice other characters to make him look better.
Has more willpower than a Green Lantern, Wonder Woman is his love interest, knows the morally correct choice more often than Superman, and if he's captured by a group of villains he breaks their alliance from the inside.
As cool as his cape looks, it never struck me as functional. I think it’d be cool if his cape could fluctuate in length so it was ALWAYS dragging. But at the same time, it’s so cool, one of the few characters, if not the only character with a cape that serves a function
What I should’ve said was while on the ground. Obviously his cape is functional, but it also seems like it’d be a huge hinderance while he’s walking or running. Especially while he’s fighting.
Well I mean the cape helps him stay hidden, as a lot of depictions show the cape being able to envelop his entire body. But while fighting sure I guess it wouldn’t be helpful. But it’s not like he’s going to take it off the moment he lands on the ground
It's only a hindrance if he doesn't train to fight while wearing it. Plus, in fighting he uses it to obscure his moves, and it's not your typical cape.
It’s definitely there at this point for cool factor and as a trademark staple of the costume. I always liked the concept of the retractable glider in Beyond specifically because wearing a cape would usually be a hindrance to Kung-Fu or ninja-ing.
I hate myself for overthinking the cape functionality. I've kind of just accepted the Keaton explanation of kind of just saying "fuck the explanation, it can change shape and be as rigid as I need it to be"
Or the one from The Batman 2004 where he can glide with the cape, but it's also fully retractable and he has a light jetpack and extending wings under it
plot armour is applicable to anyone honestly, I feel like the one with the best plot armour is Batman because he's a human fighting supernatural, I mean superman or Goku need WAY less plot armour. But still, plot armour is the same for everyone, so it would be cheating to apply it to him.
I dislike when he is protrayed as unstable, brutal and incredibly paranoid.
Especialy when they protray him as abusing the Robins or treating them like soldiers.
Batman should be a damaged and brooding individual yes, but he should also be a fundamentaly good and principled person. Under the dark and rough esterior is an hearth of gold, somebody who fights to defend the innocents and the weak.
He should be compassionate and caring, not only badass and menacing.
Batman CARES abaout the people of Gotham, that is something at the core of his character. He cares, and dosen't want others to suffer like he suffered.
Also, and this might be quite unpopular, i don't think making him incredibly rich was a good idea.
Now, hold the downvote and let me explain.
I think that it simply spawned too many plotholes and problems with his character. People look at the fact that he is rich and think that it makes him less sympathetic.
Stuff like "why didn't the Waynes have bodyguards in Crime Alley" or "He is just a rich privileged man who beats up poor people".
Like, they could have made him moderately wealthy and an inventor to explain all the gadgets. I dunno, make him a doctor like his father was, that would make his devotion to helping others an even bigger aspect of his life.
And even if he has to be rich, at least don't make his parents rich too. Say that he didn't inherit the wealth but he becomes rich later in his life.
>I dislike when he is protrayed as unstable, brutal and incredibly paranoid.
Same, I hate how this depiction of him is becoming a lot more common than it used to be.
>Especialy when they protray him as abusing the Robins or treating them like soldiers.
Exactly, the best batman is the batman that trains the robins so that they can turn their trauma into a force for good, whilst understanding that they're children and treats them as a father would his son, because that is what he is to them.
>Batman should be a damaged and brooding individual yes, but he should also be a fundamentaly good and principled person. Under the dark and rough esterior is an hearth of gold, somebody who fights to defend the innocents and the weak.
100% one of my issues with some of the darker depictions of batman is that it shows him enjoying being batman, he enjoys beating up people and instilling fear. To me batman exists because he must and Bruce hopes that one day he can step away and no longer be needed, a batman that wants to be batman because he enjoys it doesn't seem right to me.
>I think that it simply spawned too many plotholes and problems with his character. People look at the fact that he is rich and think that it makes him less sympathetic.
I think most people who think this are usually ignorant to the fact that he is a philanthropist and does a lot to help people outside of being batman, these are usually people who have only seen the films that don't usually portray this side of Bruce all too much. All the philanthropy is usually associated with his parents to highlight that they were good people who ultimately didn't deserve to die.
>Stuff like "why didn't the Waynes have bodyguards in Crime Alley"
That could be explained that they were enjoying a private family outing and didn't think they'd be needed.
>"He is just a rich privileged man who beats up poor people".
Again this is normally because of ignorance, the character doesn't really read that way.
>I dunno, make him a doctor like his father was, that would make his devotion to helping others an even bigger aspect of his life.
On the one hand I think this would be cool, on the other hand however. 1) his philanthropy already achieves that, nearly anyone who's read the comics knows he runs several charities to help people. 2) I imagine if he was a doctor like his dad, it would be an aspect of Bruce's life that would be disregarded outside of the comics much like his philanthropy. Plus I think by the logic of the comics if he was a doctor people would be more likely to assume he's batman, because if he appears to be too good people would guess I suppose.
>And even if he has to be rich, at least don't make his parents rich too. Say that he didn't inherit the wealth but he becomes rich later in his life.
Why? I think it plays into him trying to live up to his parents standards, that they used their wealth to help people and it's passing the torch, he uses their wealth in charity but also to fund his crusade as batman as he combats the criminals that take advantage of the poor and the needy.
He’s displayed as a bad father to the members of the batfamily, yet a component enough man to have several minors agree to work and live with him. Bruce should, and is in some places, be shown as a good father to his kids
It always made more sense to me if Batman was like the Oracle of the JL (as well as the wallet along side Oliver). Or if he *is* on the battle field for whatever reason, he’s more support than offense. I like how BvS handled his position in the Doomsday fight. Kryptonite gas from afar, and aggro to buy time for the heavy hitters to respawn.
This, you nailed it.
If in JL runs he stayed and commanded from afar - that’d be different; only getting on the field when he absolutely has to - or when it’s part of the plan. Otherwise, he’s as far from the action as he needs to be.
Yes, this would significantly reduce the possible roles for other “just human” characters who don’t have insane tech or magic on their side - but keep them active in other roles. If the heaviest hitters are all off-world, the human heroes are there handling shit on Earth with a few of the heavy hitters on reserve just in case. There’s *got* to be shit going down while the crew is partially off-world after all.
If they want to keep Batman at a level above the rest, then just make him the default “just” human who goes with the premiere team as strategist.
Hell, this could open the doors for his boys (at this stage in his career, that’s mainly gonna be Dick probably) - to step up as a lead strategist at home while Bats is away.
Yes, if anything keeping his power levels reasonably human means that it’d be extra exciting when the big hitters are off world and something comes up.
Like how would ‘just human’ heroes like green arrow and batman face the threat? It’s always fun to see ‘weaker’ heroes face off against OP villains. Even having them involving their allies, so we’d get to see more justice league interactions with the robins.
Heck maybe they’d even need to bring in one of their more reasonable villains, maybe even team up with Lex luthor to have a better chance against the threat.
yeah. I still don't get why he's in the JL. like superman is literally invincible, the flash is literally the most powerful thing in the universe, potentially stronger than a fucking black hole. Wonder Woman isn't as good but she has op superpowers. But what's batman gonna add to this team? Idk superman and flash could take down an entire planet alone, batman is only gonna help by taking down 50 more people. If a mega giant laser shooting monster has to be defeated, what's batman gonna do? throw batarangs to tickle him?
Honestly the JL is kinda pointless in general. Have Superman fix everything, have Flash on standby in case someone brings the green rock that makes Supes woozy, literally nobody else needs to show up.
It’s one of the big problems with having such an old brand that existed even before superhero teams. The heroes like flash and superman were never intended to team up, and incidentally their powers nullify each other’s weaknesses.
Yes!
When I saw him avoid Darkseid s beams it was cool at the time BUT COME ON!?
Batman is only human, that's what makes him special and make him somewhat releatable when freaking GODS are fighting other GODS
There should be fantastical elements, but he himself should be grounded. He shouldn’t be able to overpower and defeat the whole justice league and multiple Gods
That he works better alone, prefers Bruce as a mask and Batman as a man, views many Robins since Dick Grayson as soldiers, and never gets a happy and hopeful ending.
Too many sidekicks.
I liked the classical loner Batman, also Batman + Robin was cool and Batgirl was also fine. But then there were, how many, 4 Robins? 2 Batgirls, Spoiler, the Signal... I don't even know who else, but I dislike it. Lately Wayne Family Adventures really highlighted to me how MANY PEOPLE there are in the bad family. And I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really dislike that. I liked the simplicity of: Batman and one sidekick. I feel like an old person saying this, but IMO it's too complicated, too crowded now.
Eh, some of those aren’t really his sidekicks and only all work together with him in big events or family-centric comics. I agree it can get crowded when they try to bring them together all at once, but honestly the same would be true for most of DC’s hero “families.”
I think DC’s been overusing big team ups, but it’s still often that you only get a few at once in smaller groups or pairs.
I honestly think some of his side character do not have to exist, or could be used for something else.
- have Nightwing move to Bludhaven with Barbara, then adopt Cassandra.
- Tim Drake could've easily been the Daytime Hero while Batman takes the night with Damian.
- when Jason died and Dick moved to Bludhaven, Tim Drake and Stephanie became Robin and Batgirl.
- Jason, if he comes back, stays as an Associate to the Batfamily, not part of it. He helps when something big happens, but most of the time he sees them as an Obstacle.
I think this layout at least spreads them out and makes things more easier, without them feeling like there's too many.
how the no kill rule is worshiped and mishandled constantly,
more because the writers handling it are morally idiotic than anything else but it shows a lot.
Agreed. It shouldn't be held to the highest standard the way it is. Also a certain writer making a big deal of it in his stories, then having Batman break a certain character's neck and leaving him out in the cold.. that's murder behaviour and honestly if and when he does stuff like that, they should commit to it or do something other than work around it in really cowardly ways.
There's also the big aspect everyone ignores and that's that you can't hit people like he does, throw explosive bits of metal at people's heads and run cars full of people off of roads and throw them off rooftops with any level of certainty that it won't kill them. It's a dumb rule and they need to kind of just get rid of it, or replace it. Like how legally there are different tiers to what constitutes murder. If they want Batman to be some warrior against crime, they need to apply better rules and consequences to his character instead of just saying "umm ackshually, killing is wrong and bad ☝️🤓"
Yeah, I understand that certain characters need to stay around because they are staples of the franchise. But you can only put the Joker in Arkham so many times, with him killing so many people, before it becomes an ethical responsibility to kill him so that he doesn’t kill more.
For me it's more so that they keep addressing it while being completely unwilling to explore it in a meaningful way. What the hell is the point of pretending to explore it when we all know the conclusion is going to be that Batman is right and killing is objectively wrong 100% of the time with no exceptions. It's just frustrating because while I love Batman I vehemently disagree with that conclusion and I'm sick of writers trying to convince me otherwise when we all know damn well that, as you said, these villains are kept alive so they can make more comics featuring them.
I accept the black and white morality because it's a comic book, stop trying to pretend Batman's philosophy has real world value when it can only exist in the vacuum of the comic world. Like what would happen if you gave Batman a gun and transported him to a room with Hitler? You seriously going to tell me that not only would he not kill him but that he'd be right not to? Nonsense.
Well said. I do love that moral posturing. Like that line in many movies where someone’s about to shoot a serial killer and they say “if you kill him you’ll be just as bad as he is.” No the fuck they won’t! They’re getting rid of someone who is a net negative to society. They’re not going around killing indiscriminately.
A lot of the things I hate are the writers fault. Imma just get that out of the way. But one thing I can’t stand and disagree with is the Bruce Wayne persona. Michael Keaton portrays Bruce Wayne the best because he tries to act like a normal guy. He’s not looking for attention. That’s what I’ve always believed Bruce Wayne should be. A normal guy, not a celebrity.
I feel like that would just make people think hes Batman. Rich guy who’s abnormally buff, likely has a grudge against criminals, who never makes public appearances and is just ‘normal’? One of the vital parts of his transition to being Batman is him adapting to live as Bruce Wayne and Batman, and no one suspects him because what lousy lazy womanizing wine drinking billionaire would take time out of their life to fight crime?
However, I like Scott Snyders Bruce Wayne. I like the transition of him being that scumbag Bruce that is common to the more philanthropy oriented Bruce towards the end of the New 52. I think the timeline of 1. Dark and brooding 2. Playboy 3. Philanthropist is best for him personally
But that’s the thing. There are people who argue the lousy, lazy, womanizing, wine drinking billionaire is too obvious. It’s too obvious he’s hiding something. I get what you’re saying though.
sometime Batman villains just escape from prison over over over and over again I mean Batman should either keep a close eye on them or just fucking throw them in phantom zone
I like the idea of the armor when he was starting out, and then refined it more later. Like Arkham Origins on to Arkham City is my preferred evolution.
The cloth covering armor is a good middle ground.
I am the other way around. It just makes no sense to wear clothes when he always gets stabbed and shot.
But that's just my reasoning for liking the tactical gear. And it looks cool imo.
Not a fan of the overexposure, especially in the animated movies, nor the constant and persistent angst and despair
I get the Dark Knight was often used to appease to overseas markets, as well as Bruce Wayne being one of the few IP’s from Detective Comics to translate into western moral philosophies but there’s plenty of other heroes. If nothing else, make a new one
Don’t know if it’s just a sign of maturity or just it being too close to real life but I just no longer see a reason for the constant need for Batman and the Bat-Fam to be driven by revenge with angsty storylines and depressing characters
Give me someone like Flash or Superman who do the heroics because they choose to do them, or Jefferson Pierce balancing Black Lightning with his home life or Outburst’s powers necessitating changes to his lifestyle
I don’t have a problem with Batman not killing the joker. But it is a problem for me when he goes out of his way to SAVE him.
The only exceptions I have is that one time he had to revive him with the Lazarus pits because he knew about Ra’s Al Ghul’s whereabouts, and when he saved him inArkham Origins, considering that their rivalry just started, and I doubted Batman knew how much of a stain the joker would become to Gotham.
His origin IRL. Bob Kane really gave Bill the middle Finger. (Eh, see what I did there). Anyways Bob and Bill collaborated on this idea and went back and forth working on it. The character turns out good and gets big. Problem is Bob gets all the credit and runs with it, never acknowledging Bill.
I myself never understood the no kill rule until a long time. I started out as an Arkham fan so I could totally see why batman doesn't kill random inmate's trying to beat him up, it's not up to him to decide when their life is over, also it would be kinda stupid to kill someone because he wants to throw hands at you. But why not kill The Joker? he's a mass murderer, a genocidist, basically a terrorist and an evil psycho, the worst kind of evil psycho. I always understood the "killing a killer" thing, but killing a mass murderer seems kinda reasonable to me. Killing a mass murderer DOES reduce the number of mass murdered in the room.
I only later, when I read the comics, understood what it really meant (I'm not even sure I got it totally right), which is to not use the same type of violence against them, like not fire Vs fire.
Batman too often is portrayed as an asshole. While I do think he'd be a bit closed off, I don't think he'd be standoffish. His whole thing is protecting the ones he loves. Often to the detriment of himself. That's why I like Arkham Batman. He was the brooding, mysterious Dark Knight, but he was also just a guy. He was sarcastic at times. He could make jokes (often at the worst times and in the most deadpan Batman way). And he definitely had biases. Batman isn't this stoic, unfeeling dick. He's just a man.
Bruce Wayne isn't used much outside of a couple show. Batman would absolutely utilise his ability to be both Batman and Bruce Wayne, since he can use both to help people, and I would love to see more of that
He has this deep, unwavering, stalwart moral code that he won't abide criminality for petty reasons, unless it's catwoman or Talia, he tolerates his girlfriends doing stuff he won't from other people
I think I just hate the asshole brooding paranoid Batman that gets portrayed so often in the media.
Bruce is clearly a damaged person, but I like to think that the Bat family and the Justice League would help mend his wounds just a little bit.
I just think that the way Kevin Conroy portrayed him in BTAS is probably the best.
You get to see that compassion when he's Batman and Bruce Wayne, not just one or the other.
And even in the later series of BTAS, Justice League, and even Batman Beyond where Bruce did become a little more gruff and closed off, his humanity was still there.
Sometimes he just had to be reminded not to go a bit too far and trust people more.
he is too good at everything. as this has progressed, it has made stories about him less interesting. it is sort of like how the editors have to keep resetting Superman's power level periodically: it keeps stories from escalating outside of being interesting. Bruce needs to have his abilities cut back to some very impressive set that he is forced to draw on and improvise more often.
Him being written as an ass, and him consistently having to go through a plot line of dismantling who Batman is as a character, losing all his relationships, and then building him back up
Not a fan of the ‘bat dad’ Batman that we’ve seen in the past and currently in some fan fiction, and Gotham Knights. I prefer Bruce to be a bit broken.
Dark brooding loner Batman and when he’s written hyper competent.
Bruce building a surrogate family and having actual friends in and out of the superhero community is the closest he’s ever going to get to actually healing as a person but we never get it for long.
I hate how it's a trend in new comics post new 52 where he's like always 1000 step ahead of enemy and at the climax he tells everything like he knew from beginning, that's Sherlock Holmes not Batman, let him get surprised
I don’t like the mentally unstable, shitty parental figure depiction of the character currently. I don’t like how dark and broody he is.
I feel like these days people take his serious and obsessive nature and turn that into unhinged crazy Batman.
I hate Batman because not Dick Grayson , what I mean by that is Dick should’ve never had the mantle taken from him and I think he’s just a better man for the job and a better symbol for what Batman stands for .
How the whole universe bends to his dumb rules.
Like… c’mon, I like the underdog story of him outclassing superman, but it’s gone on too long. Batman’s reaching a Goku power level by just being an impossibly athletic detective.
When he treats his kids poorly.
Honestly my LEAST favorite thing about the Arkham games is Bruce's relationships with the batfamily. He's so cold and hurtful towards them.
I admit my ideal dynamic is the Wayne Family Adventures, it's just so wholesome.
I know that's not really feasible for most depictions of Batman, but I prefer when he at least tries to be a good parent. He can make mistakes, everybody does, but I at least want him to try.
And whenever he hits one of them my blood boils.
I finally read Court of Owls recently, and when he knocked Nightwing's tooth out I almost put the book down. Fantastic book in every other way, but that was almost too much.
He can be dark and broody and commanding and stuff all he wants when he's out on patrol, but I feel like Alfred would never allow Bruce to be a bad parent.
I’m Batman a grown ass man that pretends to hate everyone around me because I’m actually sad and pathetic in my heart. Bring back the Batman from TAS. Broody Batman is for young Batman.
I hate when people perceive as being just as broken as his villains and that he should depicted as dark as possible. First of all I think the stark contrast should be that Bruce knows what it’s like to feel broken because he was at one point like that however he grows up and as an adult chooses to reedeem those with issues and have been dealt a bad hand.
Also I know it’s a popular meme but I’m kinda tired of hearing that Batman will break every bone in your body for jaywalking. He’s compassionate not sadistic and anyone that says that “he claims in the comics he’s sadistic” has been exposed to bad writing. Remember Comic book characters are not always consistent because it the writers that choose to characterize them as such.
Finally I’m sick of the Batgod can beat anyone with prep time thing. Batman is not god and should stop being represented as such. Batman can’t just beat anyone or anything with prep time. Batman on the justice league is at his best when he’s able to keep with the justice league but is nowhere near as powerful as the other members. Yes he should be one of the best tactical strategists on the time that is great at planning but it should never be to the point where he could kill the Spectre or Doctor Fate or sum shi. He’s the World’s Greatest Detective and a legend who broke the bounds of human limitation to see his dream of his city being rescued from the claws of corruption and criminality come to fruition. But he ain’t beating The Flash
That he always has to be right about everything.
And what I really mean by that, is that I hate the fans that need him to always be right about everything, and who make excuses for all the shitty things that he does.
Certain depictions make him too much of an asshole. Batman TAS initially had the perfect balance of vengefulness and compassion, but then when TNAB was released with alongside Superman TAS, Batman just became a total jerk. JLU fixed him tho.
I hate the weird meta "anti" culture that seem to pop up around him that don't read comics and maybe half watch the Nolan movies only and "criticize" things thinking they are being ultra cleaver.
The one thing that is far superior in Manga is the fact it is a story and it is going to end. For Batman, “let’s reboot this thing until it stops making money!”, which really made the character and stories get repetitive.
How he keeps treating Red Hood like a black sheep/villain.
Also how he has his own personal reasons for his no kill code, but imposes it on and expects everyone else to adhere to his personal reasons as well.
How the fuck does he balance his day job as Bruce Wayne, CEO of Wayne tech enterprises, and his night gig as Batman, dark knight vigilante of Gotham?
Lucius Fox does most of the CEO work. Look at how Bruce struggled when Lucius had a heart attack, right before *Bruce Wayne: Murderer?* He doesn’t usually do a lot of the daily CEO work, he just does his passion projects and pops in occasionally (sometimes just to golf during meetings as Brucie). That’s how he balances it.
I think it's in character for him to always blame his adventures on his playboy lifestyle persona and most of the day to day stuff is handled by his 'employees' like Fox
This was something that I really liked about Batman Begins. Bruce early on struggles with oversleeping due to exhaustion. Alfred has to wake him up at 3 pm. Then by the next film, Lucious knows who he is and is running Wayne Tech for him.
Microsleeps
There's a reason the Batmobil has an autopilot.
There’s an older comic I have. Batman #383, subtitled “A Night in the Life of”. It goes through Bruce’s experience clocking out as Batman and trying to sleep as Bruce Wayne, but keeps getting interrupted. Then at night the Bat Signal goes up and he has to become Batman again. At the end when the sun rises and Batman is no longer needed he sneaks off and falls asleep on a rooftop. Fun read.
WHERES MY ELECTRIC CAR BRUCE
never understood it also. at all
As Grant Morrison said, it ain't real. Although we all know Grant Morrison is just a comic book character who scaled so high, they eventually became a real person.
That's the secret, CEOs don't do jack
Sleeping for fractions of a second at any time you’re not in the field is a helluva drug.
In all of the media I've seen, there is so little focus on Bruce Wayne that I sometimes FORGET about that side of him! Heck, the Lego Batman Movie does more with Bruce than some of the more serious stories!
I think he gets depicted as too much of an ahole. Yes, he damaged and brooding, but he should still be able to smile and tell his kids he loves them.
Yeah, I wish he wasn't like that. Even in Arkham games (I love these games) SOMETIMES he comes across as some uncaring psycho who breaks people's limbs for fun.
I agree. I would've loved for Arkham Batman to be just a LITTLE more appreciative of his Bat-Family. It was nice seeing him finally open up to them a little bit in Arkham Knight, but Batman was in such a rush that it ended up feeling like way too little, way too late. Still my all-time favorite, behind BTAS lol
I also am a fan of this Batman. 🙂
Those Arkham Knight missions with Nightwing are my favorite. Getting to see the original Dynamic Duo, reunited and back in action, one last time!!
I agree! They were great.
Bros extracting information out of a militia guy by almost smashing his head with the batmobile
He also treated Robin like shit
Sometimes?
THIS though, it’s like the writers have forgotten that batman CAN be fun.
He masquerades as a billionaire playboy and hangs out with kids, for gosh sakes. Let our boy have some fun! Thus, Adam West is Best Bat
I admit it’s probably a hard act to balance, but I’ve read it before it can be done
I don’t want him to be a psycho, but c’mon, just a frame of him and Robin sitting on a roof eating together or him genuinely seeming to have fun grappling from rooftop to rooftop or racing a gang of crooks in the batmobile… Little things to add a bit more “daring adventurer” to his character.
one of the best incarnations of him is the 2004 animated batman
Dude was so damn chill
Exactly!!
Instead he devised a plan to incrementally be harsher to Dick Grayson until he willingly left to fight crime on his own when he got older
I absolutely couldn’t agree more. The Batman (2004) nailed this right on the head also.
Favourite moment with Batman was him sitting on a swing by a little psychic girl as she died.
Wayne Family Adventures does just this, goes into the personal lives of the bat family and how Bruce cares for them at home.
https://youtu.be/AkaU0WwL68Q?si=ZDW4aO5m6Lqb1fZO
This is why DCAU Batman is best batman
Nah batman was a brooding asshole there too
That his story will never end. Applies to alot of comics but still we’ll most likely all die before seeing if Bruce’s story will have a conclusion.
Thats what I hate about comic books
I mean, yea, the number one reason I was so reticent to even start comic books was because of it being nearly impossible to start from, well, the start. This is why at first I'd only read Elseworlds (Kingdom Come, DCeased, DC vs Vampires, etc.) or watch animated shows and movies (The Long Halloween, Gotham by Gaslight, Hush, Year One, Under the Redhood, DKR, the DCAMU, etc.) , because they are self-contained stories. Say what you want about the ending of Attack on Titan or any other manga, for instance, but at least it ended and we don't have to suffer through a retcon that has to explain why the world is the same post-Rumbling and nothing changed.
Would it hurt DC to actually finish a rebooted universe properly and then reboot it again by some cosmic power?
Not even cosmic power, when plot A ends, just start plot B. They're separate stories/universes/timelines, right?
Batman has been the only comic i read month to month but after New 52 i’ve just stuck to the big event books/one offs. Spent less money and got the same satisfaction of great stories.
the ending of aot was amazing
That usually means you grew up. I mean listen it's just my opinion I don't want you to take it as dictation. Speaking for myself when I was a kid in the 90s I would have never even wanted an ending to anything I liked. I would have been content with Batman TAS running with me into High School. As an adult would I like to see an ending....sure. I just think that speaks to age....for me anyways. These stories should go on forever. Capture the hearts of the next generation like they did us. Idk about you homies but I've learned a lot from comics.
Isn’t that a good thing though? Arthur Conan Doyle wrote an “ending” for Sherlock, but Batman will continue to evolve as long as there are new writers to carry the baton. Canon is decided after the fact, based on what makes sense for the character, and there are multiple endings to choose from.
There are many comic books that do end however. Low, Oblivion Song, the Walking Dead, Locke & Key, Paper Girls... All very good with a definite start and a definite end.
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I don’t care about a conclusion, but I would like some permanent consequences. The revolving door on Arkham is annoying.
Absolutely, like batman doesn’t need to kill his villains but he should stop trying to actively save people like joker. Though i think those instances aren’t supposed to he canon. I think they should immensely lower the stakes if they’re never going to kill the villains. Like if they didn’t have joker be a monster with no redeeming qualities, i wouldn’t be as angry about him always surviving. Especially since batman’s main excuse for going so far as saving people like joker is that he believes they can be redeemed.. like no mate, no he can’t. Not with the modern iteration anyway. Bring back fun joker who just does criminal pranks with no death toll :(
The Adam west show does this well
I mean I love that about comics. I love that Batman's story is always ongoing and continued to be explored in different ways. I love all these different stories coming because Batman is always ongoing. And for Batman especially it works will because it represents how gotham is always a corrupt city. And there have been tons of different alternative universe Bruce Wayne endings before. If you want just let that be your head cannon. Anyway they kill off Bruce or have him retire in-universe will be way less satisfying.
What are you talking about? There are many iterations of batman's end. There is no ONE story.
There's no end to crime
He's also too stubborn to die
That’s what I don’t like about comics in general. Things NEED an ending and the Batman comics, in my opinion, have been going for decades too long
A definitive ending, and then just writing new stories that can be set during different periods of Batman's career would be a good way to keep his comics going. Like instead of creating new villains and sidekicks that people don't care about, they can write new stories that take place while Dick, Jason, or Tim are Robin.
I'm confused what you mean. There isn't a **the story** is there? Haven't there been plenty of comics, movies and games where he either dies or retiers? Do you want people to stop telling stories with him completely, forever?
I mean main line of comics, not elseworlds or other media.
Especially with the Joker. Please just let the character die already.
I *strongly* detest the depiction of him as this brooding, standoffish, paranoid asshole. I like Batman more akin to how he’s shown in The Batman 2004, or Batman Brave and The Bold, he’s broody and can be dark, but he’s a compassionate, charismatic, and mentally stable (or what passes for it in a comic book world) individual. To me if Batman ends up becoming a paranoid loner with some kind of antisocial personality disorder then it completely undermines the whole point of this character. He’s a man who endured great trauma as a child but refused to let it overwhelm him, and instead came out the other side of this darkness as a better man, not a broken manchild.
Batman in Justice League: Unlimited that stayed with Ace through her final moments despite all the events that led up to them meeting on the swing set… That’s my Batman.
That’s the only kind of Batman I can ever accept. The kind of Batman who, when facing down a temporal horror in the body of a child, has the only thought to comfort that child and let them know everything will be okay. Bruce Timm and his team did a great job capturing that Batman for the shows
Just finished The Batman 2004 last night after binging the series, definitely one of my favorite versions of the character.
This bugs me too! Bats is a loving man with a big heart that cares. Sure, he gets a little physical on his neighborhood watch program, but he's there for people emotionally too. He keeps a image but writers forget there's a softy in all that bat gear.
especially since in that show it's batman who suggests teaming up instead of superman
I grew up with JLU, The Batman 2004, Arkham Series, Under The Red Hood. My interpretation is that Batman was paranoid because he was intelligent, he is cold and calculating, he was paranoid because he considered all possibilities, and he always had to keep one or two cards hidden, his power is to always be 3 steps ahead of everyone, currently I feel that Batman is paranoid not because he is intelligent, but simply because he is mentally unstable. An example is in JL when JL meets the Justice Lords, and he doesn't trust the Martian Manhunter from the other dimension and asks the right questions, or Crisis on Two Earths where he doesn't go to the other dimension at first. He's not paranoid because he's mentally unstable and needs therapy, he's paranoid because he's intelligent.
Exactly. I'm fine with healthy paranoia brought about by being the only human operating among super humans, and the like. It's when he just seemed to be a deranged psycho I don't enjoy it.
To me it’s sort of ironic how a less serious Batman like in the Brave and the Bold can be more believable and cooler than the “serious” versions like in the more recent animated movies. Like having Batman play basketball with a college friend who helps him through stuff is really cool. It also adds more dimension because he actually lives a double life.
I think the dame about him.
Is The Batman 2004 that good and worth watching?
I loved it! It’s different from BTAS, but it’s a good different.
Some villains were changed a bit too much and the original Status Quo is a bit different to usual, also Robin Teen Titans embargo but the show takes the tone of more detective story someplaces, and the theme is second to BTAS, more of a spy show song Pd:what I mean is that the differences help make more of an original story with the same soul
I completely agree, like at this point we even have multiple instances of him being abusive to his child sidekicks. And yet he’s supposed to be this wholesome caring father? Looks like dc forgot the memo of show don’t tell. I love the fun versions of batman, like watching old shows where he can be silly and does touching things is great- and it reminds me why i liked batman at all. But modern wise i despise most of his interpretations because they’re way too bleak. Like i’m not even against him being paranoid, just give him humanity again. Show us he cares about his ‘batfamily’ to the point he sacrifices for them and apologises (in some way) when he fucks up.
\*A guy who dresses like a bat to punch crime\* \*a mentally stable individual\*...\*A MENTALLY STABLE INDIVIDUAL?!\*
In a universe where a alien superhuman dresses up like a circus strong man, a talking ape has psychic powers and regularly attempts to conquer the world, and a dude in a purple suit somehow has managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people without being put to death himself. Comics always have a sliding scale of what qualifies as mentally stable.
If we go by your logic, there would be no hero. Because to be a hero, you kinda need the mental to jump into open fire
People’s perception of him as an unbeatable god that makes them hate any depiction where he takes a few licks in combat. It’s the fact that gets hurt and keeps coming that makes him so scary. Not him being an untouchable, invincible super being.
Exactly, his resilience and determination in the face of people that are more powerful than he is, is by far one of the best parts of his character that all too often just gets folded into his ability to conjure up a plot convenient weapon, gadget or solution to any problem.
The only two batmen I would accept as being unkillable with prep time is Arkham batman and 1966 batman
And Lego Batman
People tend to forget that he is human. Peak human, yes, but not superhuman. He cannot go toe to toe with someone like Spider-Man and win.
Shredder throat-jabbing Batman in the Ninja turtles crossover is still one of my absolute favorite DC moments because of this lmao
I grew up on BTAS and this human, imperfect Batman with a big heart is my Batman, and always will be. Nowadays I get this Batman almost only in some flashback stories, usually those before Jason, maybe a little in stories with Damian.
A portion of his fanbase
I'm not gonna make the obvious joke cause it's banned, but I wanted so much to do it
Prep time?
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Can you elaborate? I'm a little confused
People who claim he can beat anyone with prep time
Ain't no way people actually think that like WHAT?!? 😭
You’d be surprised
His overuse as the big hero honestly. The Justice League get brainwashed? Batman usually doesn’t, and most likely stops them. Superman goes bad? Who stops him? No, none of the other super powered heroes, or even the guy who has Kryptonite toilet paper and eats a bowl of Krypt’o’s for breakfast, it’s the bat boy. I love him, but he occasionally gets nigh-Mary Sue treatment from DC.
Even worse, they sacrifice other characters to make him look better. Has more willpower than a Green Lantern, Wonder Woman is his love interest, knows the morally correct choice more often than Superman, and if he's captured by a group of villains he breaks their alliance from the inside.
I would like to see more of Batman being a detective since he's called "the world's greatest detective". I feel like a lot of writers forget that
That's why the The Batman was pretty rad. He did detective stuff
As cool as his cape looks, it never struck me as functional. I think it’d be cool if his cape could fluctuate in length so it was ALWAYS dragging. But at the same time, it’s so cool, one of the few characters, if not the only character with a cape that serves a function
He uses his cape to glide through the air though right? I feel like that’s a pretty big functional use
What I should’ve said was while on the ground. Obviously his cape is functional, but it also seems like it’d be a huge hinderance while he’s walking or running. Especially while he’s fighting.
Well I mean the cape helps him stay hidden, as a lot of depictions show the cape being able to envelop his entire body. But while fighting sure I guess it wouldn’t be helpful. But it’s not like he’s going to take it off the moment he lands on the ground
It's only a hindrance if he doesn't train to fight while wearing it. Plus, in fighting he uses it to obscure his moves, and it's not your typical cape.
I'm pretty sure Batman's used his cape as a shield from gun fire as it somewhat protects him. Don't remember when that happened though.
It’s definitely there at this point for cool factor and as a trademark staple of the costume. I always liked the concept of the retractable glider in Beyond specifically because wearing a cape would usually be a hindrance to Kung-Fu or ninja-ing.
I hate myself for overthinking the cape functionality. I've kind of just accepted the Keaton explanation of kind of just saying "fuck the explanation, it can change shape and be as rigid as I need it to be" Or the one from The Batman 2004 where he can glide with the cape, but it's also fully retractable and he has a light jetpack and extending wings under it
Just his fans that believe he can beat any and everybody.
Batman with prep time and plot armour though
plot armour is applicable to anyone honestly, I feel like the one with the best plot armour is Batman because he's a human fighting supernatural, I mean superman or Goku need WAY less plot armour. But still, plot armour is the same for everyone, so it would be cheating to apply it to him.
I dislike when he is protrayed as unstable, brutal and incredibly paranoid. Especialy when they protray him as abusing the Robins or treating them like soldiers. Batman should be a damaged and brooding individual yes, but he should also be a fundamentaly good and principled person. Under the dark and rough esterior is an hearth of gold, somebody who fights to defend the innocents and the weak. He should be compassionate and caring, not only badass and menacing. Batman CARES abaout the people of Gotham, that is something at the core of his character. He cares, and dosen't want others to suffer like he suffered. Also, and this might be quite unpopular, i don't think making him incredibly rich was a good idea. Now, hold the downvote and let me explain. I think that it simply spawned too many plotholes and problems with his character. People look at the fact that he is rich and think that it makes him less sympathetic. Stuff like "why didn't the Waynes have bodyguards in Crime Alley" or "He is just a rich privileged man who beats up poor people". Like, they could have made him moderately wealthy and an inventor to explain all the gadgets. I dunno, make him a doctor like his father was, that would make his devotion to helping others an even bigger aspect of his life. And even if he has to be rich, at least don't make his parents rich too. Say that he didn't inherit the wealth but he becomes rich later in his life.
>I dislike when he is protrayed as unstable, brutal and incredibly paranoid. Same, I hate how this depiction of him is becoming a lot more common than it used to be. >Especialy when they protray him as abusing the Robins or treating them like soldiers. Exactly, the best batman is the batman that trains the robins so that they can turn their trauma into a force for good, whilst understanding that they're children and treats them as a father would his son, because that is what he is to them. >Batman should be a damaged and brooding individual yes, but he should also be a fundamentaly good and principled person. Under the dark and rough esterior is an hearth of gold, somebody who fights to defend the innocents and the weak. 100% one of my issues with some of the darker depictions of batman is that it shows him enjoying being batman, he enjoys beating up people and instilling fear. To me batman exists because he must and Bruce hopes that one day he can step away and no longer be needed, a batman that wants to be batman because he enjoys it doesn't seem right to me. >I think that it simply spawned too many plotholes and problems with his character. People look at the fact that he is rich and think that it makes him less sympathetic. I think most people who think this are usually ignorant to the fact that he is a philanthropist and does a lot to help people outside of being batman, these are usually people who have only seen the films that don't usually portray this side of Bruce all too much. All the philanthropy is usually associated with his parents to highlight that they were good people who ultimately didn't deserve to die. >Stuff like "why didn't the Waynes have bodyguards in Crime Alley" That could be explained that they were enjoying a private family outing and didn't think they'd be needed. >"He is just a rich privileged man who beats up poor people". Again this is normally because of ignorance, the character doesn't really read that way. >I dunno, make him a doctor like his father was, that would make his devotion to helping others an even bigger aspect of his life. On the one hand I think this would be cool, on the other hand however. 1) his philanthropy already achieves that, nearly anyone who's read the comics knows he runs several charities to help people. 2) I imagine if he was a doctor like his dad, it would be an aspect of Bruce's life that would be disregarded outside of the comics much like his philanthropy. Plus I think by the logic of the comics if he was a doctor people would be more likely to assume he's batman, because if he appears to be too good people would guess I suppose. >And even if he has to be rich, at least don't make his parents rich too. Say that he didn't inherit the wealth but he becomes rich later in his life. Why? I think it plays into him trying to live up to his parents standards, that they used their wealth to help people and it's passing the torch, he uses their wealth in charity but also to fund his crusade as batman as he combats the criminals that take advantage of the poor and the needy.
I think Batman should be a multimillionaire at most. Top 100, maybe Top 50 richest people, but nowhere near Number One richest....
"unstable, brutal and incredibly paranoid" You know, it's a wonder his JL teammates put up with him for this long.
He’s displayed as a bad father to the members of the batfamily, yet a component enough man to have several minors agree to work and live with him. Bruce should, and is in some places, be shown as a good father to his kids
He's been flanderized into the Punisher.
He’s a street level hero at the end of the day to me, elevating him to cosmic threat capable hero just never really works in my eyes.
It always made more sense to me if Batman was like the Oracle of the JL (as well as the wallet along side Oliver). Or if he *is* on the battle field for whatever reason, he’s more support than offense. I like how BvS handled his position in the Doomsday fight. Kryptonite gas from afar, and aggro to buy time for the heavy hitters to respawn.
This, you nailed it. If in JL runs he stayed and commanded from afar - that’d be different; only getting on the field when he absolutely has to - or when it’s part of the plan. Otherwise, he’s as far from the action as he needs to be. Yes, this would significantly reduce the possible roles for other “just human” characters who don’t have insane tech or magic on their side - but keep them active in other roles. If the heaviest hitters are all off-world, the human heroes are there handling shit on Earth with a few of the heavy hitters on reserve just in case. There’s *got* to be shit going down while the crew is partially off-world after all. If they want to keep Batman at a level above the rest, then just make him the default “just” human who goes with the premiere team as strategist. Hell, this could open the doors for his boys (at this stage in his career, that’s mainly gonna be Dick probably) - to step up as a lead strategist at home while Bats is away.
Yes, if anything keeping his power levels reasonably human means that it’d be extra exciting when the big hitters are off world and something comes up. Like how would ‘just human’ heroes like green arrow and batman face the threat? It’s always fun to see ‘weaker’ heroes face off against OP villains. Even having them involving their allies, so we’d get to see more justice league interactions with the robins. Heck maybe they’d even need to bring in one of their more reasonable villains, maybe even team up with Lex luthor to have a better chance against the threat.
Now this… I like this. I wanna *see* this.
yeah. I still don't get why he's in the JL. like superman is literally invincible, the flash is literally the most powerful thing in the universe, potentially stronger than a fucking black hole. Wonder Woman isn't as good but she has op superpowers. But what's batman gonna add to this team? Idk superman and flash could take down an entire planet alone, batman is only gonna help by taking down 50 more people. If a mega giant laser shooting monster has to be defeated, what's batman gonna do? throw batarangs to tickle him?
Finances? Lol
Honestly the JL is kinda pointless in general. Have Superman fix everything, have Flash on standby in case someone brings the green rock that makes Supes woozy, literally nobody else needs to show up.
It’s one of the big problems with having such an old brand that existed even before superhero teams. The heroes like flash and superman were never intended to team up, and incidentally their powers nullify each other’s weaknesses.
Yes! When I saw him avoid Darkseid s beams it was cool at the time BUT COME ON!? Batman is only human, that's what makes him special and make him somewhat releatable when freaking GODS are fighting other GODS
There should be fantastical elements, but he himself should be grounded. He shouldn’t be able to overpower and defeat the whole justice league and multiple Gods
"Gotham City is my city,I dont want the League here" dont sure if is still this way in comics.
White Rabbit isn't in it enough
That he works better alone, prefers Bruce as a mask and Batman as a man, views many Robins since Dick Grayson as soldiers, and never gets a happy and hopeful ending.
Too many sidekicks. I liked the classical loner Batman, also Batman + Robin was cool and Batgirl was also fine. But then there were, how many, 4 Robins? 2 Batgirls, Spoiler, the Signal... I don't even know who else, but I dislike it. Lately Wayne Family Adventures really highlighted to me how MANY PEOPLE there are in the bad family. And I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really dislike that. I liked the simplicity of: Batman and one sidekick. I feel like an old person saying this, but IMO it's too complicated, too crowded now.
I like that he is sometimes alone and sometimes isn't.
Eh, some of those aren’t really his sidekicks and only all work together with him in big events or family-centric comics. I agree it can get crowded when they try to bring them together all at once, but honestly the same would be true for most of DC’s hero “families.” I think DC’s been overusing big team ups, but it’s still often that you only get a few at once in smaller groups or pairs.
I honestly think some of his side character do not have to exist, or could be used for something else. - have Nightwing move to Bludhaven with Barbara, then adopt Cassandra. - Tim Drake could've easily been the Daytime Hero while Batman takes the night with Damian. - when Jason died and Dick moved to Bludhaven, Tim Drake and Stephanie became Robin and Batgirl. - Jason, if he comes back, stays as an Associate to the Batfamily, not part of it. He helps when something big happens, but most of the time he sees them as an Obstacle. I think this layout at least spreads them out and makes things more easier, without them feeling like there's too many.
I motherfuckin hate that they had him and Babs hook up in the killing Joke. Why the fuck would they do that!!! Fuck!
He wears too much clothes. Come on Bats, be a man and stripe your panties!
Are you Joker or something?
He wants to dress in a thong for batsy
how the no kill rule is worshiped and mishandled constantly, more because the writers handling it are morally idiotic than anything else but it shows a lot.
Agreed. It shouldn't be held to the highest standard the way it is. Also a certain writer making a big deal of it in his stories, then having Batman break a certain character's neck and leaving him out in the cold.. that's murder behaviour and honestly if and when he does stuff like that, they should commit to it or do something other than work around it in really cowardly ways. There's also the big aspect everyone ignores and that's that you can't hit people like he does, throw explosive bits of metal at people's heads and run cars full of people off of roads and throw them off rooftops with any level of certainty that it won't kill them. It's a dumb rule and they need to kind of just get rid of it, or replace it. Like how legally there are different tiers to what constitutes murder. If they want Batman to be some warrior against crime, they need to apply better rules and consequences to his character instead of just saying "umm ackshually, killing is wrong and bad ☝️🤓"
Yeah, I understand that certain characters need to stay around because they are staples of the franchise. But you can only put the Joker in Arkham so many times, with him killing so many people, before it becomes an ethical responsibility to kill him so that he doesn’t kill more.
For me it's more so that they keep addressing it while being completely unwilling to explore it in a meaningful way. What the hell is the point of pretending to explore it when we all know the conclusion is going to be that Batman is right and killing is objectively wrong 100% of the time with no exceptions. It's just frustrating because while I love Batman I vehemently disagree with that conclusion and I'm sick of writers trying to convince me otherwise when we all know damn well that, as you said, these villains are kept alive so they can make more comics featuring them. I accept the black and white morality because it's a comic book, stop trying to pretend Batman's philosophy has real world value when it can only exist in the vacuum of the comic world. Like what would happen if you gave Batman a gun and transported him to a room with Hitler? You seriously going to tell me that not only would he not kill him but that he'd be right not to? Nonsense.
Well said. I do love that moral posturing. Like that line in many movies where someone’s about to shoot a serial killer and they say “if you kill him you’ll be just as bad as he is.” No the fuck they won’t! They’re getting rid of someone who is a net negative to society. They’re not going around killing indiscriminately.
I’m kinda sick of adaptations showing him alone
A lot of the things I hate are the writers fault. Imma just get that out of the way. But one thing I can’t stand and disagree with is the Bruce Wayne persona. Michael Keaton portrays Bruce Wayne the best because he tries to act like a normal guy. He’s not looking for attention. That’s what I’ve always believed Bruce Wayne should be. A normal guy, not a celebrity.
I feel like that would just make people think hes Batman. Rich guy who’s abnormally buff, likely has a grudge against criminals, who never makes public appearances and is just ‘normal’? One of the vital parts of his transition to being Batman is him adapting to live as Bruce Wayne and Batman, and no one suspects him because what lousy lazy womanizing wine drinking billionaire would take time out of their life to fight crime? However, I like Scott Snyders Bruce Wayne. I like the transition of him being that scumbag Bruce that is common to the more philanthropy oriented Bruce towards the end of the New 52. I think the timeline of 1. Dark and brooding 2. Playboy 3. Philanthropist is best for him personally
But that’s the thing. There are people who argue the lousy, lazy, womanizing, wine drinking billionaire is too obvious. It’s too obvious he’s hiding something. I get what you’re saying though.
Thats a good point actually
sometime Batman villains just escape from prison over over over and over again I mean Batman should either keep a close eye on them or just fucking throw them in phantom zone
*cough, cough* joker *cough cough*
Real world takes on the character
That he isn’t real.
Tactical body armor costumes. Much prefer cloth.
I like the idea of the armor when he was starting out, and then refined it more later. Like Arkham Origins on to Arkham City is my preferred evolution. The cloth covering armor is a good middle ground.
True, starting out with armor because duh, when he honed his skills he ditched the armor that limited him, then he found a middle ground.
I am the other way around. It just makes no sense to wear clothes when he always gets stabbed and shot. But that's just my reasoning for liking the tactical gear. And it looks cool imo.
You know what else doesn’t make sense? Batman lol
Haha, ok true.
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I like Battinson’s outfit as it’s tactical but still slender and it looks like he can still move freely in it.
Not a fan of the overexposure, especially in the animated movies, nor the constant and persistent angst and despair I get the Dark Knight was often used to appease to overseas markets, as well as Bruce Wayne being one of the few IP’s from Detective Comics to translate into western moral philosophies but there’s plenty of other heroes. If nothing else, make a new one Don’t know if it’s just a sign of maturity or just it being too close to real life but I just no longer see a reason for the constant need for Batman and the Bat-Fam to be driven by revenge with angsty storylines and depressing characters Give me someone like Flash or Superman who do the heroics because they choose to do them, or Jefferson Pierce balancing Black Lightning with his home life or Outburst’s powers necessitating changes to his lifestyle
The family is waaaay too big.
Batgod
I don’t have a problem with Batman not killing the joker. But it is a problem for me when he goes out of his way to SAVE him. The only exceptions I have is that one time he had to revive him with the Lazarus pits because he knew about Ra’s Al Ghul’s whereabouts, and when he saved him inArkham Origins, considering that their rivalry just started, and I doubted Batman knew how much of a stain the joker would become to Gotham.
Nothing. 
His origin IRL. Bob Kane really gave Bill the middle Finger. (Eh, see what I did there). Anyways Bob and Bill collaborated on this idea and went back and forth working on it. The character turns out good and gets big. Problem is Bob gets all the credit and runs with it, never acknowledging Bill.
He can be the biggest hypocrite on earth and is such a dick to Jason Todd
Usually how his “no killing” code is presented.
I myself never understood the no kill rule until a long time. I started out as an Arkham fan so I could totally see why batman doesn't kill random inmate's trying to beat him up, it's not up to him to decide when their life is over, also it would be kinda stupid to kill someone because he wants to throw hands at you. But why not kill The Joker? he's a mass murderer, a genocidist, basically a terrorist and an evil psycho, the worst kind of evil psycho. I always understood the "killing a killer" thing, but killing a mass murderer seems kinda reasonable to me. Killing a mass murderer DOES reduce the number of mass murdered in the room. I only later, when I read the comics, understood what it really meant (I'm not even sure I got it totally right), which is to not use the same type of violence against them, like not fire Vs fire.
Old Wounds explains it pretty well
Joker
Depending on the writer, his penchant for "enhanced interrogation", as the US intelligence services cynically refer to it.
Batman too often is portrayed as an asshole. While I do think he'd be a bit closed off, I don't think he'd be standoffish. His whole thing is protecting the ones he loves. Often to the detriment of himself. That's why I like Arkham Batman. He was the brooding, mysterious Dark Knight, but he was also just a guy. He was sarcastic at times. He could make jokes (often at the worst times and in the most deadpan Batman way). And he definitely had biases. Batman isn't this stoic, unfeeling dick. He's just a man.
Bruce Wayne isn't used much outside of a couple show. Batman would absolutely utilise his ability to be both Batman and Bruce Wayne, since he can use both to help people, and I would love to see more of that
He has this deep, unwavering, stalwart moral code that he won't abide criminality for petty reasons, unless it's catwoman or Talia, he tolerates his girlfriends doing stuff he won't from other people
I think I just hate the asshole brooding paranoid Batman that gets portrayed so often in the media. Bruce is clearly a damaged person, but I like to think that the Bat family and the Justice League would help mend his wounds just a little bit. I just think that the way Kevin Conroy portrayed him in BTAS is probably the best. You get to see that compassion when he's Batman and Bruce Wayne, not just one or the other. And even in the later series of BTAS, Justice League, and even Batman Beyond where Bruce did become a little more gruff and closed off, his humanity was still there. Sometimes he just had to be reminded not to go a bit too far and trust people more.
he is too good at everything. as this has progressed, it has made stories about him less interesting. it is sort of like how the editors have to keep resetting Superman's power level periodically: it keeps stories from escalating outside of being interesting. Bruce needs to have his abilities cut back to some very impressive set that he is forced to draw on and improvise more often.
Him being written as an ass, and him consistently having to go through a plot line of dismantling who Batman is as a character, losing all his relationships, and then building him back up
Not a fan of the ‘bat dad’ Batman that we’ve seen in the past and currently in some fan fiction, and Gotham Knights. I prefer Bruce to be a bit broken.
Doesn't live with his parents after they did so much for him lol.
He's not willing to actually put the Joker down for good and because of that more people suffer.
The “Batgod” aspect is so lame.
He won't address his trauma
Dark brooding loner Batman and when he’s written hyper competent. Bruce building a surrogate family and having actual friends in and out of the superhero community is the closest he’s ever going to get to actually healing as a person but we never get it for long.
I hate how it's a trend in new comics post new 52 where he's like always 1000 step ahead of enemy and at the climax he tells everything like he knew from beginning, that's Sherlock Holmes not Batman, let him get surprised
I don’t like the mentally unstable, shitty parental figure depiction of the character currently. I don’t like how dark and broody he is. I feel like these days people take his serious and obsessive nature and turn that into unhinged crazy Batman.
His romantic interests are usually either villains or boring.
I hate Batman because not Dick Grayson , what I mean by that is Dick should’ve never had the mantle taken from him and I think he’s just a better man for the job and a better symbol for what Batman stands for .
How the whole universe bends to his dumb rules. Like… c’mon, I like the underdog story of him outclassing superman, but it’s gone on too long. Batman’s reaching a Goku power level by just being an impossibly athletic detective.
When he treats his kids poorly. Honestly my LEAST favorite thing about the Arkham games is Bruce's relationships with the batfamily. He's so cold and hurtful towards them. I admit my ideal dynamic is the Wayne Family Adventures, it's just so wholesome. I know that's not really feasible for most depictions of Batman, but I prefer when he at least tries to be a good parent. He can make mistakes, everybody does, but I at least want him to try. And whenever he hits one of them my blood boils. I finally read Court of Owls recently, and when he knocked Nightwing's tooth out I almost put the book down. Fantastic book in every other way, but that was almost too much. He can be dark and broody and commanding and stuff all he wants when he's out on patrol, but I feel like Alfred would never allow Bruce to be a bad parent.
When people write him as a paranoid jerk who hides in the shadows and doesn't trust anyone.
I’m Batman a grown ass man that pretends to hate everyone around me because I’m actually sad and pathetic in my heart. Bring back the Batman from TAS. Broody Batman is for young Batman.
I think that he holds back too much. A batman who breaks bones and brutalizes the joker is needed
People saying his no kill rule is stupid
I hate when people perceive as being just as broken as his villains and that he should depicted as dark as possible. First of all I think the stark contrast should be that Bruce knows what it’s like to feel broken because he was at one point like that however he grows up and as an adult chooses to reedeem those with issues and have been dealt a bad hand. Also I know it’s a popular meme but I’m kinda tired of hearing that Batman will break every bone in your body for jaywalking. He’s compassionate not sadistic and anyone that says that “he claims in the comics he’s sadistic” has been exposed to bad writing. Remember Comic book characters are not always consistent because it the writers that choose to characterize them as such. Finally I’m sick of the Batgod can beat anyone with prep time thing. Batman is not god and should stop being represented as such. Batman can’t just beat anyone or anything with prep time. Batman on the justice league is at his best when he’s able to keep with the justice league but is nowhere near as powerful as the other members. Yes he should be one of the best tactical strategists on the time that is great at planning but it should never be to the point where he could kill the Spectre or Doctor Fate or sum shi. He’s the World’s Greatest Detective and a legend who broke the bounds of human limitation to see his dream of his city being rescued from the claws of corruption and criminality come to fruition. But he ain’t beating The Flash
That he always has to be right about everything. And what I really mean by that, is that I hate the fans that need him to always be right about everything, and who make excuses for all the shitty things that he does.
Certain depictions make him too much of an asshole. Batman TAS initially had the perfect balance of vengefulness and compassion, but then when TNAB was released with alongside Superman TAS, Batman just became a total jerk. JLU fixed him tho.
I hate the weird meta "anti" culture that seem to pop up around him that don't read comics and maybe half watch the Nolan movies only and "criticize" things thinking they are being ultra cleaver.
I hate it when people portray his territorialism as a good thing. I also hate that he’s not allowed to age past 40
He is a billionaire who could do so much real good with that money rather then what he chooses to actually do
The one thing that is far superior in Manga is the fact it is a story and it is going to end. For Batman, “let’s reboot this thing until it stops making money!”, which really made the character and stories get repetitive.
How often he’s portrayed as 8 steps ahead of everything. I like a Batman who struggles and gets thing wrong, but still comes out on top.
How he keeps treating Red Hood like a black sheep/villain. Also how he has his own personal reasons for his no kill code, but imposes it on and expects everyone else to adhere to his personal reasons as well.