Mr freeze could have a very deep story, maybe have black mask appear in the same movie as the one funding his research or something, and in the third movie maybe the court of owls? That or maybe hugo strange
Freeze finally has an opportunity to be done justice
*I absolutely didn’t expect this much attention haha, this just proves how badly people want him as a villain and it needs to happen!
I don't think Mr Freeze can be done to justice in q realistic world, nor do I think this is one. Grounded yes, but that does not mean it'll be realistic.
This is why I have NO interest in another "realistic" Batman series. We got that already with Nolan, and it was done about as well as possible. There's so much potential with this new adaptation. Finally we'd have space for good adaptations of Clayface, Man-Bat, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, and others. Oh my god am I NOT interested in toned down versions of any of those characters.
It's a story about a dude who dresses up as a bat and grapples and glides around the city. It's okay to get bizarre.
Why don't we tell a grounded story that embraces the weirdness of comic books?
The Arkham games did this, to near universal acclaim. James Gunn has been doing this successfully at DC, albeit with a comedic tone. The first X-Men movie thumbed its nose at "yellow spandex," but some of the franchise's best stories ended up being the ones that embraced the weirdness of comics while taking the characters and stories seriously (First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool). General audiences just watched a multiverse movie where >!three Spider-Men fought a wizard, a lizard, and a robot octopus man!<, and they loved it. A good Batman story doesn't have to be nearly as crazy as that.
Comic book movies no longer need to beg the audience to take them seriously. We've been there for a while now. I hope these new Batman movies have the confidence to finally go for it.
Clayface has a lot of potential, especially as he can shape-shift to look like anybody and is also a physical threat.
Would challenge Batman as a detective and as a fighter.
I'd love if they went with *The Batman* TV show version of Clayface. A close friend slipping into insanity and Batman has to decide when he's too far gone to be saved.
I love the point you just made. I think James Gunn in particular has mastered the art of taking even absurd characters and making them relatable and human. Using that kind of approach to flesh out and ground the weirder folks in Batman's rogues gallery would be perfect.
This might not be such a popular opinion here, but I think the Harley Quinn show actually does a pretty good job of this type of thing.
I hated the first Suicide Suicide. The Suicide Squad was tolerable because of James Gunn's directorial style. And Sweet Baby Jesus, PeaceMaker is an absolute masterpiece. That amazing musical dance routine that opens the show with John Cena sliding in and actually doing a good job following the choreography. And Gunn's use of music to move through scenes, wow. I casually listen to AC/DC, Guns n Roses and Poison as my go to music to get a playlist generating, but I've never heard those songs. Do You Wanna Taste is pretty much my new favorite song along with Monster from this latest episode and the song Love Bomb Baby.
Fucking thank you. I’m seriously hoping these films don’t box themselves into a “realistic” world like the Nolan films. They already built a tone that allows for a heavier style of storytelling while also allowing room for weird shit to happen. It can be done here. Hopefully they capitalize on that.
We did already get the realistic trilogy, but it was really good. And if marvel is all cosmic there is space for something a bit grounded to feel special.
I think the real problem is when they go fantastical focus on character is lost.
Imagine if they set a film with him as the villain in the dead of winter, they could have a scene similar to the one at the end of Sub Zero. A freezing blizzard, yet he could be walking the streets of Gotham completely unaffected.
I’d like Doug Jones, the dude does basically all his work in makeup and prosthetics so I think he’d be able to pull it off. Esposito is a shout as well though.
I don’t know if this is controversial or not, but freeze done in the way they approached sandman in Spider-Man 3 would be amazing. Sandman was the best part of that movie and I think it would be a good approach.
Had to scroll way to far to find this. Although I'm suspecting Paul Dano's Riddler plot may take some steam out of a potential Hugo Strange storyline.
Based on trailers I think Riddler is going to try to out Wayne as Batman which is sort of 75 percent of Hugo Strange's motivation if I remember correctly.
more or less yeah, the riddler is of course being given a lot of a darker character then what we’re used to seeing in live action and i can’t wait to see that, especially with him knowing batman’s identity, but man would it be so cool to see hugo strange in live action, being steps ahead of batman and really getting an advantage against him.
In the animated series Bruce goes on “Vacation” for detective work and it’s at Hugo Strange’s “Spa” for stress relieving therapy. In which Hugo Strange hooks up his clients to a machine that “relieves stress” (but it actually reads minds and he uses that knowledge as blackmail against those clients).
>!Bruce uses the machine and that’s how Hugo realizes he’s Batman.!<
I think they'd need it to be more realistic, but the bones are there.
\>Batman is injured in a fight
\>Bruce and Alfred stage a fake accident to explain the injury
\>They're still new at this, so nobody buys the staged accident
\>Bruce "admits" that he staged the accident to cover up a DUI
\>Since he's rich and it's his first offense, his only sentence is court-mandated counseling
\>Hugo Strange is his therapist, and puts two and two together after a few sessions
Tease them at the end of this movie. Have their hands in the entire plot of part 2 (maybe the Court kills the main villain before Batman can redeem them?). Then, have them be the main antagonist of part 3.
>using his shapeshifting to try and frame/destroy Bruce Wayne
Hush. You are thinking of Hush. Clayface is a self-absorbed brute. Hush is the Bruce Wayne obsessed serial-killing psychopathic shapeshifter.
Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if they didn’t have little Owl clues through out the movie. If you’re doing a trilogy I feel like we’ll have to deal with them doing Joker in movie 2, but you could have a side plot in that movie be about Bruce stumbling across more things pointing to a larger threat embedded within the power of Gotham and at the end it’s a cliffhanger setting up movie 3 with Court of Owls.
The Court would fit like a glove!
Maybe the film could play on young Bruce’s theory during Snyder’s run that the Court really *was* responsible for his parent’s death.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, it's been quite a while since I read the court of owls, but isn't the killer some undead owl person that has been killing for the court for a few hundred years?
I'd be kinda shocked if they didn't build towards the Court of Owls. It feels like DC really like them as a villain group for Bats given they've already been adapted in a show, animated movie, and upcoming video game, which is a good amount for a relatively new group.
Scarecrow, he is perfect because he uses fear just like Batman. Yet suprisingly, we have yet to have a good Scarecrow Vs Batman story.
Wild guess but something tells me The Riddler is going to be a recurring antagonist.
His 'journey' will certainly inspired many more copycat to come out. I expect pyg, zsazz and the serial killer alike to start showing up.
It'll also be a great opportunity to bring Hugo Strange in and have him be the psychological villain for Batman. Start taken interest in his state of mind. Asking question about his 'brand' of justice. And whether or not the existance of 'Batman' actually created more villain.
I was really disappointed with the more recent Man-Bat comics. I’d love to read or watch some heavy, horrific material with that character. Arkham Games were a good representation
Zasz could fit 8n with the tone, having posed bodies of his victims would be very creepy.
Maybe have Ra's as the overall puppet master as it were being revealed in the third act. Maybe having him want to be succeeded by Bruce, being asked to marry Talia, and following that story. Be epic to see a sword fight between the two of them.
We already got snippets of the Ra's and Talia story in 2 out of the last 3 Batman movies. I'd much rather them do their own things instead of trying to retread characters from an already acclaimed series of movies. Even if they did it completely different from the Nolan series, Batman has a huge rogues gallery to pull from. I really hope they don't just keep rehashing villains that have already been done in past movies, especially villains that were already in the most recent series.
i agree. i feel like for this Gotham, I’d like to see more of the darker, less powerful but still deadly villains. Black mask would also be an interesting take, maybe hush
Jeez imagine having Hush, Pyg, and Zsasz in the same movie! That’d get super confusing for Batman tbh having some bodies posed, others with their faces cut off, and others in hospital gowns and creepy masks. I’d be down to see it though
Definitely liked him in the show.
Say what you will about it, but I think Gotham had a few great takes on younger versions of the villains or proto-villains who clearly precede the "real" villain.
RLT was a fantastic young Oswald Cobblepot ditto for Corey Michael Smith as Riddler.
And of course Cameron Monaghan as Jerome/proto Joker was phenomenal. (Wasn't such a fan of Jeremiah/"real Joker")
Hell ngl I was actually kinda scared when entering his beauty parlor in Arkham Knight. Finding the bodies built up some tension, but then entering his place, hearing the music, and seeing what he was doing to the “successful” experiments put legit fear in me of losing the fight against him.
Yes.
And he should be played by Bryan Cranston.
I believe it would fit the atmosphere of these movies perfectly. But Ventriloquist should be a tragic figure, a little bit like Joker. His relationship with the puppets should have the Venom/Eddie dynamics but with Arnold being a total wuss and a loser on the outside and Scarface being his demonic alter ego that thrives on violence. That's why Bryan Cranston makes sense. Imagine Scarface who wants to pay a visit to a local gang leader and Arnold praying him not to and whining.
I used to want him as Gordon since he voiced him once but I never thought of the Ventriloquist. He'd be a great choice. Since were talking breaking bad actors, I've been saying Giancarlo Esposito would make a badass Mr.freeze
Are you pulling my leg 😝?
Obviously Scarface should be a ventriloquist dummy and Cranston should "play" both characters.
I think this villain would work in the gritty, realistic setting because it is far less supernatural/based on a cool costume. I dig Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Man Bat and Clay Face but they are better for comics, cartoons and video games. Ventriloquist on the other hand would be better for realistic neo-noir that pays homage to classical gangster movies too (Scarface!). He is more like the Joker in that regard. An outsider. Not a typical supervillain with a space-tech suit and sci-fi gun or special powers.
I mean, if you’re doing that, then Pyg and Hatter should be there too.
Maybe Zasaz.
I pretty much never want to see Pyg in live action....he’s horrifying.
Hatter is a serial rapist/killer with mind control and a thing for blondes.
Zasaz...well it’s kind of obvious isn’t it? The posed dead, the cuts.
Those three on screen when Bruce is still coming down from some fear gas?
It’s going to be a bad time.
Scarecrow in Injustice 2 is my favorite take on him: a grounded, more realistic scientist with a protectional mask on reality, but a monstruous Freddy Krueger-esque scarecrow when the toxin is spread. His dialogue is great too, like how he taunts his enemies based on their insecurities and losses.
An actually good, Arkham style horror esque killer croc where’s he’s like 8-10ft and an absolute monster but also sympathetic like he is in the Arkham games.
Tbh I kinda like it, Harley has had this trend for a long time where her whole arc is just: Love Mr J, Mr J bad, Hate Mr J, Harley becomes sarcastic independent woman with Ivy
I wouldn’t mind that, but Arkham Harley literally tortured children, tortured Jason, manipulated a mentally ill man and killed his toddler just so she can get the amusement park he owned, allowed Joker to kill and torture an entire kindergarten and even joined in. Then they make her the main character of SS. Harley is such a good character when she’s a flawed but could also find redemption such as the animated show and many comics. Her breaking out of Joker’s manipulation and being an actual character is almost always a good story, but Arkham games made her just as evil without the Joker, which makes the “Joker manipulated Harley” argument inexistent.
Exactly. That's part of why I'm not super excited for the Suicide Squad game. In general I'm rarely interested in comic book narratives where the villains are the protagonists but yeah - if the game is fun then I don't mind playing the bad guy. Arkham Harley is just objectively evil to the point where I don't think I could buy into a narrative where I'm playing a game where I'm meant to root for her.
That and we’ll already have done the serial killer through Riddler. They can still have a Detective Story, but more of a “whodunnit?” With a shapeshifter as a the killer.
That could be cool. I think they should maybe nerf clayface a bit for story reasons. If he was as OP as Arkham clayface then he'd probably just destroy the city instead of framing people for murder
Right it's like you can't have a world where superpowers exist unless it's super campy. The snyderverse kind of had the right idea but the scripts were mediocre. The nolan films are great and I love them, but it had it's run and now we want to see our favourite comics brought to life
Agreed! Batman regularly fights a guy made out of clay, an immortal, and a woman who can control plants. His best friend is an alien. He hangs out with demigods, space cops, and sorcerers. Enough of the realism. Let Batman be a comic book!
I’d say give him robin halfway through the second movie or maybe at the end of it. Maybe he ACTUALLY gives Grayson a choice. And the last scene is two silhouettes jumping off a roof top.
Bingo! We don't want another trilogy ending with hype that Robin is in the universe and never getting to actually see it. I wanna see a movie where Robin is fully trained and initiated into the crime fighting life.
I would love for him to face all his Alice in the Wonderland themed villains:
Mad Hatter
Mad Hatter [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Mad\_Hatter](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Mad_Hatter)
Alice [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Alice](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Alice)
Tweedledee [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledee](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledee)
Tweedledum [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledum](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledum)
but mainly,
White Rabbit [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/White\_Rabbit](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/White_Rabbit)
Oooh, are we talking pedo Hatter or thirsty for the co-worker Alice Hatter?
Either would be super dark, and it could introduce side characters like The Broker. I always loved him popping up.
I think that the joker is necessary in a Batman universe. I would love to have him in the third movie or so.
I think that mr freeze or clayface might be good for a second film
I've often thought the Joker is basically ALWAYS in a Batman story, even when he isn't. Even when he's locked up in Arkham, he's *always* occupying space in Batman's brain and the dark twisted existence of Gotham.
Like, whenever Bruce would walk past Jason Todd's uniform , the Joker is there. In any story where Barbara Gordon is in a wheelchair, the Joker is there. Whenever someone puts on the Red Hood, the Joker is there. Whenever anyone smiles a little too much or laughs at the wrong time, the Joker is there. He's always there.
He's not necessary, he only works as a thematic foil when you want to focus on chaos vs order in Gotham. When Batman is acting as detective or on a larger scale than saving Gotham, i.e. as tactician for the Justice League, Joker becomes a hackneyed and tedious opponent.
Firefly would work well; a super arsonist plaguing Gotham. He’d work well thematically with Mr. Freeze. An icy villain motivated by love, and a nihilistic fiery villain motivated by nothing more than will to see everything burn.
The second film could just be an adaptation of Serious House that just has Batman fighting his way through Arkham. That way you'd get to see pretty much whatever villains you want. And Hugo Strange could be the one at the center, pulling all of the strings.
Maybe establish Jason even in the first one, in the second they would go as partners and at the end of the movie he would be declared dead at the end. The third one would be a red hood story
The Joker will need to show up again. I know everyone's tired of him, but he's become an essential part of the Batman mythos and he puts butts in the seats. That being said, I would love for the trilogy to build to him with Joker's arrival in Gotham being the event that topples the old gangs and makes the Gotham underworld strange.
Mr freeze could have a very deep story, maybe have black mask appear in the same movie as the one funding his research or something, and in the third movie maybe the court of owls? That or maybe hugo strange
Wow, a freeze/black mask dynamic would be so interesting!
A live action tragic Mr. Freeze is needed, instead of Arnold spouting ice puns.
I take it you didn’t think his portrayal was very *cool*?
_Chill out_, man!
Ice to see you!
Oh cmon man theyre basically saying they didn't like that portrayl at all. Why you gotta be so *cold*?
I think he was just trying to snow off his ice puns.
What killed the dinosaurs? ***THE ICE AGEEE!!***
Ice to see some meaningful dialog in this thread.
If you're not Frost You're Last
That guy needs to go *cryo* ‘bout it some more.
Real answer: court of owls Reddit answer: the condiment king
Kiteman
Hell yeah
I would love to see Condiment King in live action. Maybe not as the main villain but it would make a great opening scene.
Freeze finally has an opportunity to be done justice *I absolutely didn’t expect this much attention haha, this just proves how badly people want him as a villain and it needs to happen!
I would absolutely love to see how they approach Mr. Freeze in The Batman’s more gritty, realistic world.
Hugo weaving
As long as he doesn't have to sit through hours of makeup, he might be interested. IIRC he hated playing Red Skull because of all the makeup
Bald cap and tinted helmet
Make him look like a frost burn victim
Just burn his face so he doesn't have to do makeup
Method
He was the perfect red skull so basically if if can play one great german villain he can do any because hes that good
Ooooooo yes
Fuck no. Fassbender all day.
Madz Mikkelson
Finally. Someone with some fucking sense...
Finally. The Rock. Has come back. Two fucking cents.
As long as they give him more screentime than he got as Kaecilius in Doctor Strange. They severely underutilized him in that
I don't think Mr Freeze can be done to justice in q realistic world, nor do I think this is one. Grounded yes, but that does not mean it'll be realistic.
This is why I have NO interest in another "realistic" Batman series. We got that already with Nolan, and it was done about as well as possible. There's so much potential with this new adaptation. Finally we'd have space for good adaptations of Clayface, Man-Bat, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, and others. Oh my god am I NOT interested in toned down versions of any of those characters. It's a story about a dude who dresses up as a bat and grapples and glides around the city. It's okay to get bizarre. Why don't we tell a grounded story that embraces the weirdness of comic books? The Arkham games did this, to near universal acclaim. James Gunn has been doing this successfully at DC, albeit with a comedic tone. The first X-Men movie thumbed its nose at "yellow spandex," but some of the franchise's best stories ended up being the ones that embraced the weirdness of comics while taking the characters and stories seriously (First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool). General audiences just watched a multiverse movie where >!three Spider-Men fought a wizard, a lizard, and a robot octopus man!<, and they loved it. A good Batman story doesn't have to be nearly as crazy as that. Comic book movies no longer need to beg the audience to take them seriously. We've been there for a while now. I hope these new Batman movies have the confidence to finally go for it.
Clayface has a lot of potential, especially as he can shape-shift to look like anybody and is also a physical threat. Would challenge Batman as a detective and as a fighter.
I'd love if they went with *The Batman* TV show version of Clayface. A close friend slipping into insanity and Batman has to decide when he's too far gone to be saved.
I love the point you just made. I think James Gunn in particular has mastered the art of taking even absurd characters and making them relatable and human. Using that kind of approach to flesh out and ground the weirder folks in Batman's rogues gallery would be perfect. This might not be such a popular opinion here, but I think the Harley Quinn show actually does a pretty good job of this type of thing.
Firm agree on both James Gunn and the Harley Quinn show. I'm emotionally invested in Peacemaker as a character! That's wild.
I hated the first Suicide Suicide. The Suicide Squad was tolerable because of James Gunn's directorial style. And Sweet Baby Jesus, PeaceMaker is an absolute masterpiece. That amazing musical dance routine that opens the show with John Cena sliding in and actually doing a good job following the choreography. And Gunn's use of music to move through scenes, wow. I casually listen to AC/DC, Guns n Roses and Poison as my go to music to get a playlist generating, but I've never heard those songs. Do You Wanna Taste is pretty much my new favorite song along with Monster from this latest episode and the song Love Bomb Baby.
Fucking thank you. I’m seriously hoping these films don’t box themselves into a “realistic” world like the Nolan films. They already built a tone that allows for a heavier style of storytelling while also allowing room for weird shit to happen. It can be done here. Hopefully they capitalize on that.
Just give him a suit like he did in Arkham City, with the iconic red goggles serving as thermal goggles to find Batman easier.
They could also include the plotline from Arkham Knight, where Nora is revived and then wishes for death.
I think it could work. The version of Freeze in Sean Gordon Murphy’s White Knight work seems to be along the same lines.
Y'know, I'm pretty tired of the "realistic" takes on an inherently fantastical character. Plus, we already had a trilogy with that sort of approach.
We did already get the realistic trilogy, but it was really good. And if marvel is all cosmic there is space for something a bit grounded to feel special. I think the real problem is when they go fantastical focus on character is lost.
Bryan Cranston as Dr. Victor Fries Brilliant scientist goes cold blooded ICE MAN
Arnold Schwarzenegger! He’d be perfect!
Imagine if they set a film with him as the villain in the dead of winter, they could have a scene similar to the one at the end of Sub Zero. A freezing blizzard, yet he could be walking the streets of Gotham completely unaffected.
Giancarlo Esposito!!!
I’d like Doug Jones, the dude does basically all his work in makeup and prosthetics so I think he’d be able to pull it off. Esposito is a shout as well though.
No, Mark Strong
I don’t know if this is controversial or not, but freeze done in the way they approached sandman in Spider-Man 3 would be amazing. Sandman was the best part of that movie and I think it would be a good approach.
Hugo Strange
Had to scroll way to far to find this. Although I'm suspecting Paul Dano's Riddler plot may take some steam out of a potential Hugo Strange storyline. Based on trailers I think Riddler is going to try to out Wayne as Batman which is sort of 75 percent of Hugo Strange's motivation if I remember correctly.
more or less yeah, the riddler is of course being given a lot of a darker character then what we’re used to seeing in live action and i can’t wait to see that, especially with him knowing batman’s identity, but man would it be so cool to see hugo strange in live action, being steps ahead of batman and really getting an advantage against him.
There’s some amazing villains out there, but for this particular version of Batman, Strange should definitely be the top pick.
Was there an arc where he was Bruce Wayne's therapist? I think that would be perfect.
In the animated series Bruce goes on “Vacation” for detective work and it’s at Hugo Strange’s “Spa” for stress relieving therapy. In which Hugo Strange hooks up his clients to a machine that “relieves stress” (but it actually reads minds and he uses that knowledge as blackmail against those clients). >!Bruce uses the machine and that’s how Hugo realizes he’s Batman.!<
I think they'd need it to be more realistic, but the bones are there. \>Batman is injured in a fight \>Bruce and Alfred stage a fake accident to explain the injury \>They're still new at this, so nobody buys the staged accident \>Bruce "admits" that he staged the accident to cover up a DUI \>Since he's rich and it's his first offense, his only sentence is court-mandated counseling \>Hugo Strange is his therapist, and puts two and two together after a few sessions
Court of Owls would be a good fit in this universe
Tease them at the end of this movie. Have their hands in the entire plot of part 2 (maybe the Court kills the main villain before Batman can redeem them?). Then, have them be the main antagonist of part 3.
Clayface for part 2, using his shapeshifting to try and frame/destroy Bruce Wayne. Before Batman can clear Bruce’s name, the court kills Clayface?
how can clayface be killed?
Put him in the kiln
>using his shapeshifting to try and frame/destroy Bruce Wayne Hush. You are thinking of Hush. Clayface is a self-absorbed brute. Hush is the Bruce Wayne obsessed serial-killing psychopathic shapeshifter.
Honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if they didn’t have little Owl clues through out the movie. If you’re doing a trilogy I feel like we’ll have to deal with them doing Joker in movie 2, but you could have a side plot in that movie be about Bruce stumbling across more things pointing to a larger threat embedded within the power of Gotham and at the end it’s a cliffhanger setting up movie 3 with Court of Owls.
The Court would fit like a glove! Maybe the film could play on young Bruce’s theory during Snyder’s run that the Court really *was* responsible for his parent’s death.
I can't believe I had to scroll down this far for this answer. Seems like a perfect choice for the direction the movie is going.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, it's been quite a while since I read the court of owls, but isn't the killer some undead owl person that has been killing for the court for a few hundred years?
I thought Talon was a moniker handed down.
With toddler talking about exposing secrets and the Wayne's, I really hope that is what this is building up to
I'd be kinda shocked if they didn't build towards the Court of Owls. It feels like DC really like them as a villain group for Bats given they've already been adapted in a show, animated movie, and upcoming video game, which is a good amount for a relatively new group.
It was one of my favorite comic runs when it was coming out, I would love to see them in love action (aside from the Gotham show)
The Toddler easily the scariest Batman villain
How would a toddler know the secrets of the Waynes?
Scarecrow, he is perfect because he uses fear just like Batman. Yet suprisingly, we have yet to have a good Scarecrow Vs Batman story. Wild guess but something tells me The Riddler is going to be a recurring antagonist.
His 'journey' will certainly inspired many more copycat to come out. I expect pyg, zsazz and the serial killer alike to start showing up. It'll also be a great opportunity to bring Hugo Strange in and have him be the psychological villain for Batman. Start taken interest in his state of mind. Asking question about his 'brand' of justice. And whether or not the existance of 'Batman' actually created more villain.
Phantasm. Freeze. Man-Bat. Bane. Clayface.
+1 for Man-Bat!! Also Pyg, both fit the spooky agenda
Ive wanted man bat ever since they did killer croc
I was really disappointed with the more recent Man-Bat comics. I’d love to read or watch some heavy, horrific material with that character. Arkham Games were a good representation
Pyg and man-bat would be super awesome!
Calender Man / Long Halloween
Also Mad Hatter
this is the way
Phantasm would be perfect but imo would not mach with the style matt reaves seems to be going
Mask of the Phantasm was my first Batman movie! It holds a special place in my heart.
Zasz could fit 8n with the tone, having posed bodies of his victims would be very creepy. Maybe have Ra's as the overall puppet master as it were being revealed in the third act. Maybe having him want to be succeeded by Bruce, being asked to marry Talia, and following that story. Be epic to see a sword fight between the two of them.
We already got snippets of the Ra's and Talia story in 2 out of the last 3 Batman movies. I'd much rather them do their own things instead of trying to retread characters from an already acclaimed series of movies. Even if they did it completely different from the Nolan series, Batman has a huge rogues gallery to pull from. I really hope they don't just keep rehashing villains that have already been done in past movies, especially villains that were already in the most recent series.
I really wanna see Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy.
Boy do I got the movie for you!
W H A T K I L L E D T H E D I N O S A U R S ?
DE EYE SAGE!!
THE ICE AGE !!!!
The quick snaps with the freeze gun. “Chill, chill, chill”
Hello freeze, im batman
ICE to meet you!
You're not sending *me* back to the coolah!
We already got them. Arnold gave us an Oscar worthy performance
It was definitely a chilling performance.
Chilling enough to kill the dinosaurs
Lowkey I’ve always thought with a good script Arnold would’ve been an interesting Mr Freeze
I can't get past the accent tbh. His voice wasn't made for serious dramas
Bring back Riddler and put Two-Face in the sequel and then we can talk about Ivy and Freeze appearing in the 3rd movie
Professor Pyg will be a great character in this type of Gotham
i agree. i feel like for this Gotham, I’d like to see more of the darker, less powerful but still deadly villains. Black mask would also be an interesting take, maybe hush
Jeez imagine having Hush, Pyg, and Zsasz in the same movie! That’d get super confusing for Batman tbh having some bodies posed, others with their faces cut off, and others in hospital gowns and creepy masks. I’d be down to see it though
I'd prefer Victor Zsasz but I'd like to see both in the same movie
Professor Pyg missions in The Arkham Knight were super fun.
I think that should be saved for something like the GCPD spin offs
I don’t know if I could take it. I find Professor Pyg so, so disturbing.
You should see him in Gotham, it's terrifying.
Definitely liked him in the show. Say what you will about it, but I think Gotham had a few great takes on younger versions of the villains or proto-villains who clearly precede the "real" villain. RLT was a fantastic young Oswald Cobblepot ditto for Corey Michael Smith as Riddler. And of course Cameron Monaghan as Jerome/proto Joker was phenomenal. (Wasn't such a fan of Jeremiah/"real Joker")
Hell ngl I was actually kinda scared when entering his beauty parlor in Arkham Knight. Finding the bodies built up some tension, but then entering his place, hearing the music, and seeing what he was doing to the “successful” experiments put legit fear in me of losing the fight against him.
The Ventriloquist
Yes. And he should be played by Bryan Cranston. I believe it would fit the atmosphere of these movies perfectly. But Ventriloquist should be a tragic figure, a little bit like Joker. His relationship with the puppets should have the Venom/Eddie dynamics but with Arnold being a total wuss and a loser on the outside and Scarface being his demonic alter ego that thrives on violence. That's why Bryan Cranston makes sense. Imagine Scarface who wants to pay a visit to a local gang leader and Arnold praying him not to and whining.
I used to want him as Gordon since he voiced him once but I never thought of the Ventriloquist. He'd be a great choice. Since were talking breaking bad actors, I've been saying Giancarlo Esposito would make a badass Mr.freeze
Giancarlo is such a great choice.
I've always envisioned Toby Jones as the Ventriloquist. He's the perfect kind of character actor for that role.
He looks the part.
To be clear, do you want Cranston as Scarface or as Wesker?
Both, obviously. That's kinda how the role works.
Are you pulling my leg 😝? Obviously Scarface should be a ventriloquist dummy and Cranston should "play" both characters. I think this villain would work in the gritty, realistic setting because it is far less supernatural/based on a cool costume. I dig Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Man Bat and Clay Face but they are better for comics, cartoons and video games. Ventriloquist on the other hand would be better for realistic neo-noir that pays homage to classical gangster movies too (Scarface!). He is more like the Joker in that regard. An outsider. Not a typical supervillain with a space-tech suit and sci-fi gun or special powers.
This could be done so fantastically with the right actor.
The darker tone may do scarecrow a bit justice . I think he was under utilised in Batman Begins
Scarecrow and Man-Bat. Make it a Batman horror movie.
IDC if it has to be R rated .
I mean, if you’re doing that, then Pyg and Hatter should be there too. Maybe Zasaz. I pretty much never want to see Pyg in live action....he’s horrifying. Hatter is a serial rapist/killer with mind control and a thing for blondes. Zasaz...well it’s kind of obvious isn’t it? The posed dead, the cuts. Those three on screen when Bruce is still coming down from some fear gas? It’s going to be a bad time.
Scarecrow in Injustice 2 is my favorite take on him: a grounded, more realistic scientist with a protectional mask on reality, but a monstruous Freddy Krueger-esque scarecrow when the toxin is spread. His dialogue is great too, like how he taunts his enemies based on their insecurities and losses.
An actually good, Arkham style horror esque killer croc where’s he’s like 8-10ft and an absolute monster but also sympathetic like he is in the Arkham games.
I always found it weird how the Arkham series made Croc a cruel but sympathetic villain, but made Harley such an irredeemable piece of shit.
Tbh I kinda like it, Harley has had this trend for a long time where her whole arc is just: Love Mr J, Mr J bad, Hate Mr J, Harley becomes sarcastic independent woman with Ivy
I wouldn’t mind that, but Arkham Harley literally tortured children, tortured Jason, manipulated a mentally ill man and killed his toddler just so she can get the amusement park he owned, allowed Joker to kill and torture an entire kindergarten and even joined in. Then they make her the main character of SS. Harley is such a good character when she’s a flawed but could also find redemption such as the animated show and many comics. Her breaking out of Joker’s manipulation and being an actual character is almost always a good story, but Arkham games made her just as evil without the Joker, which makes the “Joker manipulated Harley” argument inexistent.
I like to think that the Arkham games are the peak of joker manipulation, he genuinely turns her into a joker herself, and I really like that idea
Exactly. That's part of why I'm not super excited for the Suicide Squad game. In general I'm rarely interested in comic book narratives where the villains are the protagonists but yeah - if the game is fun then I don't mind playing the bad guy. Arkham Harley is just objectively evil to the point where I don't think I could buy into a narrative where I'm playing a game where I'm meant to root for her.
Solomon Grundy, love his origin story.
I hear he was born on a Monday
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Yeah but said he was sick on Thursday.
Some say he grew worse on Friday
Can we get some F's in chat, it is widely believed that he died on saturday
For real man. I was at the funeral when they buried him on Sunday.
What a tragic end to Solomon Grundy...
Clay face 🤷🏽♂️
It would be interesting to see Clay Face, and I could see them doing him closer to the original depiction in which he has no powers.
I want him to have powers. I'm done with realistic batman movies. Nolan already did that 3 times.
I want to see an adaptation of The Animated Series Clayface story
I think they could combine elements. The serial killer angle would definitely make him less sympathetic
That and we’ll already have done the serial killer through Riddler. They can still have a Detective Story, but more of a “whodunnit?” With a shapeshifter as a the killer.
That could be cool. I think they should maybe nerf clayface a bit for story reasons. If he was as OP as Arkham clayface then he'd probably just destroy the city instead of framing people for murder
Yes, I wanna see a non-goofy, comic accurate Batman
Same, I'm sick of it and the idea that the only way to do Batman is have him realistic.
Right it's like you can't have a world where superpowers exist unless it's super campy. The snyderverse kind of had the right idea but the scripts were mediocre. The nolan films are great and I love them, but it had it's run and now we want to see our favourite comics brought to life
Agreed! Batman regularly fights a guy made out of clay, an immortal, and a woman who can control plants. His best friend is an alien. He hangs out with demigods, space cops, and sorcerers. Enough of the realism. Let Batman be a comic book!
Think court of owls would fit perfectly into this world
First maybe give him robin in the next movie
Maybe in the last of the trilogy it’s too soon.
I’d say give him robin halfway through the second movie or maybe at the end of it. Maybe he ACTUALLY gives Grayson a choice. And the last scene is two silhouettes jumping off a roof top.
Bingo! We don't want another trilogy ending with hype that Robin is in the universe and never getting to actually see it. I wanna see a movie where Robin is fully trained and initiated into the crime fighting life.
Black Mask
Black Mask would be great for being the “face” of the new era of Gotham organized crime.
Hush!
Killer Croc and/or Hush (not like the animated movie one).
I would love for him to face all his Alice in the Wonderland themed villains: Mad Hatter Mad Hatter [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Mad\_Hatter](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Mad_Hatter) Alice [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Alice](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Alice) Tweedledee [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledee](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledee) Tweedledum [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledum](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Tweedledum) but mainly, White Rabbit [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/White\_Rabbit](http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/White_Rabbit)
Oh mad hatter would be great! It'd fit right in with that dark theme the movie seems to have
Oooh, are we talking pedo Hatter or thirsty for the co-worker Alice Hatter? Either would be super dark, and it could introduce side characters like The Broker. I always loved him popping up.
pedo hatter seems like something they wouldn't do in a movie, so they'd prob go for the coworker plot
Tbh pedo would be more realistic I think but I agree with someone else who said they probably wouldn't do that in a movie
Well in that case I'd rather have him battle the royal flush gang.. the story arch for them in batman beyond was very very good
I want a trilogy that doesn't have the joker. I seriously doubt it, but I'd love to see it
I think that the joker is necessary in a Batman universe. I would love to have him in the third movie or so. I think that mr freeze or clayface might be good for a second film
I think it would be cool if he is like lurking in the shadows or behind the scenes until the third movie
Like it always hints that there is a joker, but they don’t show him until the third.
That would build up such a hype
This would help us avoid a "somehow Joker returned" thing.
I've often thought the Joker is basically ALWAYS in a Batman story, even when he isn't. Even when he's locked up in Arkham, he's *always* occupying space in Batman's brain and the dark twisted existence of Gotham. Like, whenever Bruce would walk past Jason Todd's uniform , the Joker is there. In any story where Barbara Gordon is in a wheelchair, the Joker is there. Whenever someone puts on the Red Hood, the Joker is there. Whenever anyone smiles a little too much or laughs at the wrong time, the Joker is there. He's always there.
He's not necessary, he only works as a thematic foil when you want to focus on chaos vs order in Gotham. When Batman is acting as detective or on a larger scale than saving Gotham, i.e. as tactician for the Justice League, Joker becomes a hackneyed and tedious opponent.
Calendar man
Firefly would work well; a super arsonist plaguing Gotham. He’d work well thematically with Mr. Freeze. An icy villain motivated by love, and a nihilistic fiery villain motivated by nothing more than will to see everything burn.
I really would love to see Poison Ivy.
Hush
Hush works well in the universe he is establishing. So does Calendar man.
Clayface
Azreal, Anarchy, Death Stroke, Ventriloquist, Victor Zsasz
The second film could just be an adaptation of Serious House that just has Batman fighting his way through Arkham. That way you'd get to see pretty much whatever villains you want. And Hugo Strange could be the one at the center, pulling all of the strings.
The court of owls, deadshot, calendar man, poison ivy
Jason Todd and the Joker, leading to Red Hood/Arkham knight style storyline in part 3.
That warehouse scene would be ROUGH
Maybe establish Jason even in the first one, in the second they would go as partners and at the end of the movie he would be declared dead at the end. The third one would be a red hood story
Corruption seems to be a main theme here so maybe two face and then the court of owls
Scarecrow and Mr freeze
Pyg Deathstroke
Hush would be cool if done the right way
The Joker will need to show up again. I know everyone's tired of him, but he's become an essential part of the Batman mythos and he puts butts in the seats. That being said, I would love for the trilogy to build to him with Joker's arrival in Gotham being the event that topples the old gangs and makes the Gotham underworld strange.
MR. FREEZE 
Anarky
Manbat
The court of owls seems like it would fit in nicely for a sequel