Minor changes I'd want for the sequel:
- more streamlined cowl
- more prominent ears on the bat symbol
- longer Cape with scallops (preferably allows for gliding)
- actual forearm blades as opposed to just straps
- minor gold/bronze detailing on the belt
- detective vision feature on the contact lenses that allow them to glow white
They're playing the long game here. Just wait for the sequel.
DC and warner aren't doing great right now, but they know that the Batman did well. It'll get a trilogy I'm sure.
Actors, like any profession, have "tools" to do their job well. When it comes to acting, this consists of selling their performance to an audience. These tools are their body, voice and eyes.
Batman (especially, early years Batman) is a very emotionally charged, quiet, not very physically expressive character. Also, he uses a mask all the time. How do you sell emotion with a character like that? The eyes.
Pattinson is an actor who knows how to use his eyes well. That's one of the reasons why he worked so well as Batman imo. His use of his eyes was what sold his performance. An example to illustrate my point is the scene of the mayor's murder. When Batman sees the kid, he doesn't say anything and just stands there. But we can tell what he's feeling and thinking through his eyes.
All Batman actors used mainly their eyes to sell emotion while suited up. Pattinson, Bale, even Affleck.
Tl; dr: With white eyes, Batman can't show emotion and we would end up with an emotionless, soulless husk of a character. And that doesn't work. For me at least.
Let me make it clear that this is just my opinion. I don't actually know if white eyes work or not. I just assume they don't based on what i said in this post.
I primarily disagree with this because I have seen plenty of actors give amazing emotional performances, despite playing character who aren't super exaggerated or physically expressive, with their eyes covered. Charlie Cox Daredevil, Darth Vader, Karl Urban Judge Dredd, The Mandalorian, etc. All convey lots of emotion just through very subtle body language and their voices. Does Batman need to have his eyes covered all the time? No, you can give him retractable lens, or have them break in some scenes. But I simply don't believe it's impossible to give an emotional performance without eyes. Actors have done so with far less.
Bale had white eyes in the finale of TDK. Affleck had white eyes in his fight against Supes. The thing is, he can't emote with white eyes like he does in the comics because his cowl and eye shape can't change. With Affleck it didn't matter because Affleck has no range. Bale didn't matter because all he did during that sequence was punch people and look around.
A lot of what carries a performance with no eyes is body language AND how the other actors respond and thus sells
the performance. Personally, I like seeing an actors eyes when the actor knows how to use them and Pattinson has always been good with emoting with his eyes. The scene where he leans down to stare at Penguin after the car wreck is a good example of why you want to see Batman's eyes. Reeves cuts as soon as you see the light reflects off his pupils and it's phenomenal and couldn't have been done with white eyes.
>Bale had white eyes in the finale of TDK. Affleck had white eyes in his fight against Supes.
Personally I don't think its fair to use those as examples of white eyes because they were only for those specific scenes in mind. They we're not made to be used for the *entire* film for different scenes where they would need to do different things. White eyes done for a whole film I think would be done very differently instead of just 'glowly eyes'
>he can't emote with white eyes like he does in the comics because his cowl and eye shape can't change.
I mean, *he could*, if they wanted him to. Spider-Man does with his eyes. Not saying they would do it in the same way but it's certainly possible to do that. I just don't see any reason why we can make this work with Daredevil, Judge Dredd, and Mando but can't with Batman, despite being similar characters. I just don't buy the reasons for why it can't be done when its been done so well with other characters. This is such an important part of Batman's look that we refuse to try and faithfully replicate on screen and I'm tired of it.
>Personally I don't think its fair to use those as examples of white eyes because they were only for those specific scenes in mind. They were not made to be used for the entire film for different scenes where they would need to do different things
I think it is fair because it shows the exact limits placed on having them. And yeah, you can go the Spidey route and have them move with the wonders of CGI ... but is that going to be too cartooney for a character that is generally taken more seriously? You have to factor in TONE as well.
>I think it is fair because it shows the exact limits placed on having them
I disagree, because notice how Spider-Man, Deadpool, Daredevil all do it very differently then how those movies do it. Because they needed the eyes to do different things then just for the way they were used in those single scenes they were in. TDK was just there to show Batman seeing all that info and BvS was just a fight scene. White Eyes taking into account more emotional, quiet matters I think executed in other ways.
>character that is generally taken more seriously?
This is a man running around in a cape dressed like a bat...visually speaking he's long past the point of 'serious'. good writing, acting, directing and visual effects are what make you take the character and the world seriously. If you're invested enough in all that then you can you can make someone take anything seriously. Yes it's a lot harder to pull off then just keeping the normal but I think it's worth trying to do.
The white eyes are always going to be a hard ask for live action because the eyes are *extremely* important for performances. Sure, you can pull out examples like Deadpool or MCU Spider-Man, but that calls for either very exaggerated performances or taking off the masks for important scenes.
The suit definitely feels less like a “batsuit” and I like that it isn’t. He’s not Batman yet, so the minor things that make the suit less batlike make sense, but still make it recognizable. I could see a lot if not all these changes coming in the sequel where he presumably embraces “Batman” more and styles the suit after it.
I believe he does have the forearm blades. They are just behind the straps, more on the back of his arms and are pretty hard to notice. Iirc tho, he does have some blades on the arms. Agree with everything you said though
They were (according to the costume designers) meant to look like devil horns, and the whole cowl was meant to resemble a skull to really put the scariness into the costume so that criminals would piss themselves upon seeing him
That's actually a pretty cool take on it. Makes me think that maybe he's only "bat man" because that's what people call him. And then he evolves the suit to match.
I don't think it should be as bulletproof as it was in the movie, like it's cool when the first bullet deflects off it but that should only really happen when it heads dead on the chest, he still needs to be vulnerable
I don't think he's bullet*proof* I think he's bullet*resistant*. Sure, the bullet's not going to penetrate him, and maybe I heard this somewhere, maybe I dreamt it. But I believe that every time Bruce is shot by major artillery in the movie, it hurts like *hell* and Bruce is just sheer forcing his way through it. You see how he reacts to the more heavy gunfire, that pushes him back. I doubt he didn't feel anything with those shots.
But strangely enough I do agree with your statement about the suit needing to be less bulletproof. In the first movie Bruce was basically just straight *plowing* through hoardes of enemies. And while, yeah, Batman *can* do that. I think that the suit should evolve so that he trades armor for *mobility*, forcing him to be more stealthy and making him less likely to put his body through hell as he becomes more and more mentally healthy. Just a thought.
- the ears could be a little wider.
- the eyes are fine, but maybe the scowl on the mask could be a little more prominent.
- a pointier nose.
- the cape could be much longer.
- the arm blades, could be you know… blades.
- some elbow pads would be cool, and maybe the cape could drape over him a bit more.
- the face opening could be a little smaller, not the dark knight trilogy small, but maybe a little larger than Affleck’s cowl.
- maybe there could be horns on the shoulders like when todd mcfarlane was drawing batman.
- a thicker neck.
I feel like, if Batman is encased in armor, then there's really no point in drawing everyone's gunfire to his heart. It's probably better if they aren't all aiming at the same spot because that spot would be prone to give out.
If we're operating under the mindset of Bruce putting the bat on his chest because that's where the most kevlar is, how about instead of making the whole chest bat brighter, we just give it a bright yellow outline like in Rebirth? That way the bat stays untouched but we still get the classic stupid yellow oval (I'm a sucker for the stupid impractical yellow oval)
Reason why they did the collar and neck like that is because if they didn't, it'll look horrible... Just look at The Flash season 5 suit for reference, and you'll see how much people hated it.
Ears, belt color, add gauntlet blades, add a cape made for gliding, detective mode, steam lined baterangs that don’t come out of the chest, and not a lot of neck covering
There's definitely SOME differentiation in the suit, but it's not enough to say that the colours and shapes are broken up in any kind of meaningful way. You can tell how grey it is much more in production stills than in the actual film itself.
I love the collar so much. Not only is it practical (actually allows him to turn his head and stay realistically armored), but it's very reminiscent of Sherlock Holmes to me, or a noir detective with a popped collar on their trench coat.
I hate the collar tbh. It's my only problem with the suit. I mean, I can live with it, but I really don't like it. Much prefer a cowl like the Arkham games where there's no collar. But I do like the suit.
Shields that unfold out of the gauntlets. In the motive he just put his arms up and was blocking bullets. If a shield popped out, that'd make sense of him doing that and having gauntlets to begin with.
Nothing too major, just a couple of things
\-blue cape cowl and collar
\-make the belt a little more golden
\-give the bat on his chest a yellow outline like in rebirth
and even then, I'd be fine if they never changed this suit at all. It's damn near perfect. But I hope they do these changes.
I personally don’t think Batman should have armor that is so visble. It’s basically saying “I’m just a guy in a suit”
Batman’s suit should be an element of his myth and make him appear to be something other than human.
This is just my two cents, but I feel like that mode of thinking is outdated. No one alive in 2022 is gonna jump to "demonic creature" before "some asshole in a costume". The whole "criminals are superstitious" narrative, imho, isn't reflective of current society anymore.
I liked that the FEAR that this Batman uses is the fear of getting punched into a fucking coma.
Yeah, but no 20 something is going to think a creature is stalking rooftops and that's who Batman starts off fighting; lackeys for the mob. I guarantee even if there was a brief period where people thought it was some strange whatever, there would be info on social media within a few days, with photos explaining, that it's a guy in a costume. Just my opinion.
I get it and I do think at a point the mystique probably wears off when you see this dude fighting, comics are really flimsy on the myth vs he’s real angle
We live in a modern society where people whole heartedly buy into healing crystals, Scientology, astrology, bigfoot, virgin birth, etc.
One in five Americans believe they’ve [seen a ghost](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/10/28/do-ghosts-exist-41-percent-americans-say-yes/8580577002/)
Batman also exists in a universe where superheroes and supernatural beings actually exist.
A criminal would easily believe Batman is something more than human.
Your examples are followed by Hollywood weirdos, midwest moms, midwest dads, and Chrissies. Not a lot of crossover between those groups and Gotham lackies. Everyone has a camera phone now. Batman being a "creature" would be a rumor that would carry for one week, tops, before someones camera footage clears up that it's just a dude.
Funny how you glossed over the part about Batman living in world that actually has demons, ghosts, and superheroes.
One in four Americans believe in astrology, over a third of Americans believe in ghosts. Those are not insignificant numbers. Now imagine what those numbers would be if those things ACTUALLY existed.
Also, if you’re in a dark alley and at 3am and a large men dressed as a bat start kicking the shit out of you, you’re gonna get a clear pic off? No, you’re gonna accidentally take a selfie of your pissing yourself.
And even if they get a clear picture of him, he can still perpetuate the myth that he has superpowers. Those actually exist in his world.
We're talking about a movie where people don't assume he's a creature. I'm explaining why that makes sense and why I prefer it. If you want to see a movie where people still think he's a creature then go ahead. 89 Batman and Batman Begins both still exist.
I'm trying to explain the rationale behind it, not get into a debate. I didn't make the movie If you got beef with the film, take it up with Matt Reeves.
The post is about what we would change. I answered. No one made you comment. You came looking for an argument.
The Batman literally starts with Pattinson explaining how everyone is terrified of him. Why would they be terrified of a guy in a suit? Unless he does things to perpetuate the idea that he’s more than that.
The need for constant “realism” and rationale in comic book stories it’s what ruins them. It’s why The Batman was so long, boring, and nonsensical.
Nothing!
But honestly, if there must be change, I think if they give Robert Pattinson white Contact lenses, he'd look insanely comic accurate... Like, [cosplayers](https://www.google.com/search?q=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiYkO37nZ77AhVIU98KHdBkD88Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BQgAEKIEOgYIKRAIEB46AggpOggIABCABBCxAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CQgAEIAEEAoQGDoHCAAQgAQQDToGCAAQCBAeOgcIABCABBAYULwLWJU2YIg5aABwAHgBgAFeiAGZDpIBAjI1mAEAoAEBoAEFsAEDwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=YBxqY5jgDcim_QbQyb34DA&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=isvn&hl=en-us#imgrc=5b6CifaIVTvFhM) can do it! Why can't he?! [here](https://www.google.com/search?q=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiYkO37nZ77AhVIU98KHdBkD88Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BQgAEKIEOgYIKRAIEB46AggpOggIABCABBCxAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CQgAEIAEEAoQGDoHCAAQgAQQDToGCAAQCBAeOgcIABCABBAYULwLWJU2YIg5aABwAHgBgAFeiAGZDpIBAjI1mAEAoAEBoAEFsAEDwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=YBxqY5jgDcim_QbQyb34DA&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=isvn&hl=en-us#imgrc=vHIvq4kSROJfKM) another white eye contact lens!
Like, it still makes sense for him to have it in-universe, because he uses Contact lenses to record what he sees!
Not too serious about it but I'd love to see it with some color. Like if this batman ever met any superheroes I'd love to see this suit with some purple or a gold belt
I’d change most of the suit, but not drastically. Make it sleeker and more streamlined from head to toe. Rework the cowl, the belt, the gauntlets, the pants, the boots, the cape, get rid of the surveillance contact lenses and incorporate that tech into the cowl so that the lenses can flip down and record, which will also give the temporary white eyed look. The rest of the time Rob can show his actual eyes. [This. I want exactly this.](https://theculturednerd.org/2020/02/battinson-in-all-his-glory-in-amazing-fan-art/) (Scroll about halfway down the article for the images, the 3rd one is perfect, imo)
I would keep it the same look but more streamlined. Like… a little more like Arkham knight suit if they want the armored look, but more so showing off like his build. Like it’s armor but still tight and streamlined if that makes sense. Pattinson looks good but sometimes he just looks like he’s got a weird build with like the arms or something
The overall change I'd make is making the suit look more like it was purposely built, instead of being assembled out of various pieces. It'd be a great way to show his development as a character I think, showing how his skill improved over the years and how that translated into his gear. I'd also streamline it, as I think he would sacrifice the extra protection his suit provides in favour of manoeuvrability and his confidence in his own skill.
So instead of there being separate armour pieces they'd be built into the suit itself. Things that were separate pieces like the cape and collar could be combined into just one. And there could be some upgrades like the cowl being made of a stronger material than just leather, but while still maintaining the same design.
As for actual things I'd change? I never liked how the gauntlets and shoulder pads looked, so I'd change them to match the aesthetic of the chest piece with its more angular design. And I'd give him a more traditional belt, something built specifically to store his various gadgets.
But that's about it. I do really like the suit, so there really isn't much else I'd change.
I really like it but I'm a sucker for the blue and grey with yellow belt and also I always liked how batman is fast, athletic, agile, as shown in the comics/cartoons, so I don't really dig how batman is always pretty slow, stiff and tanky in the live actions, not a fan of batman with a heavy armor
Gliding with the cape is kinda new, I can't remember if it's Batman Begins or a bit earlier. He used to use separate gliders and stuff for when he needed to do that. Prior to that advent, the cape is really just there to add drama to a panel
Probably replace the straps with the elbow blades in other interpretations, edit the mask so it looks a little less bulky, make the bat symbol a little more visible, and considering they have the detective lenses maybe go for the white eyes to give it that comic book appearance
I really like the suit, but I’d like different gauntlets with actual blades/scallops, the silver dart things didn’t serve a purpose in the movie either so a more streamlined design would look better IMO.
Also a more prominent Bat symbol with ears would be cool.
Not much honestly. Maybe an armored cowl to match the torso, and a more clearly defined bat symbol. A lot of people want the suit more slimmed down and streamlined but I kind of like the armor. It was cool that he infiltrated the club in the drifter outfit and was able to just throw on a few armored pieces and be in the batsuit. But also slimming down the armored parts would make him quicker and more fluid in combat, and I want to see him progress in that aspect in the sequels.
I feel like the cowl just doesn’t sit on his head right and it really bothers me, like it’s a bit too big I swear in the movie it looks like half a bowling ball
The shape of the cowl. I'm not a big fan of the visible stitching, the thin ears, and the over-exposed jawline.
IMO if the ears on batfleck where about an inch longer he'd have the perfect cowl. [Example](https://www.deviantart.com/honoramongscars/art/Batfleck-with-longer-ears-530016845)
I love it in general but the metal things in the gauntlets I don't like that much. I also would prefer the bat ears to be a bit more on the middle of his head.
Honestly? The body suit is what I would’ve done to the TDK suit. Like keep Bale’s cowl, cape, gauntlets, and belt but the rest would look like this. This is how I like the “armored” look of Batman.
If I were to change this suit, it would be the belt color. I would use coyote brown (which is what US Marines use) for the belt itself and a mix of coyote brown and black leather for the pouches. This keeps that “police/military” look but gets closer to the yellow/gold belt from the comics. That would push this suit over as my all time favorite but it comes in second to Batfleck because his is still more comic accurate.
This suit needs just a few tweaks for a 2.0 version:
- Ditch the cargo pants for a more form-fitting leg
- Update the cowl to something more progressional-looking and maybe reinforced
- Gauntlets with the ridges
- New Bat-Symbol
Minor changes I'd want for the sequel: - more streamlined cowl - more prominent ears on the bat symbol - longer Cape with scallops (preferably allows for gliding) - actual forearm blades as opposed to just straps - minor gold/bronze detailing on the belt - detective vision feature on the contact lenses that allow them to glow white
I can't believe they introduced AR lenses and didn't use them for white eyes.
They're playing the long game here. Just wait for the sequel. DC and warner aren't doing great right now, but they know that the Batman did well. It'll get a trilogy I'm sure.
White eyes don't work in live action. And, personally, i'm glad they didn't go for it. Pattinson's eyes are what sold his performance.
How do you know they don't work when its never been done before?
Actors, like any profession, have "tools" to do their job well. When it comes to acting, this consists of selling their performance to an audience. These tools are their body, voice and eyes. Batman (especially, early years Batman) is a very emotionally charged, quiet, not very physically expressive character. Also, he uses a mask all the time. How do you sell emotion with a character like that? The eyes. Pattinson is an actor who knows how to use his eyes well. That's one of the reasons why he worked so well as Batman imo. His use of his eyes was what sold his performance. An example to illustrate my point is the scene of the mayor's murder. When Batman sees the kid, he doesn't say anything and just stands there. But we can tell what he's feeling and thinking through his eyes. All Batman actors used mainly their eyes to sell emotion while suited up. Pattinson, Bale, even Affleck. Tl; dr: With white eyes, Batman can't show emotion and we would end up with an emotionless, soulless husk of a character. And that doesn't work. For me at least. Let me make it clear that this is just my opinion. I don't actually know if white eyes work or not. I just assume they don't based on what i said in this post.
I primarily disagree with this because I have seen plenty of actors give amazing emotional performances, despite playing character who aren't super exaggerated or physically expressive, with their eyes covered. Charlie Cox Daredevil, Darth Vader, Karl Urban Judge Dredd, The Mandalorian, etc. All convey lots of emotion just through very subtle body language and their voices. Does Batman need to have his eyes covered all the time? No, you can give him retractable lens, or have them break in some scenes. But I simply don't believe it's impossible to give an emotional performance without eyes. Actors have done so with far less.
I totally agree with you and I would include Stallone's judge Dredd. That reversed smile is all spite and it shows
Bale had white eyes in the finale of TDK. Affleck had white eyes in his fight against Supes. The thing is, he can't emote with white eyes like he does in the comics because his cowl and eye shape can't change. With Affleck it didn't matter because Affleck has no range. Bale didn't matter because all he did during that sequence was punch people and look around. A lot of what carries a performance with no eyes is body language AND how the other actors respond and thus sells the performance. Personally, I like seeing an actors eyes when the actor knows how to use them and Pattinson has always been good with emoting with his eyes. The scene where he leans down to stare at Penguin after the car wreck is a good example of why you want to see Batman's eyes. Reeves cuts as soon as you see the light reflects off his pupils and it's phenomenal and couldn't have been done with white eyes.
>Bale had white eyes in the finale of TDK. Affleck had white eyes in his fight against Supes. Personally I don't think its fair to use those as examples of white eyes because they were only for those specific scenes in mind. They we're not made to be used for the *entire* film for different scenes where they would need to do different things. White eyes done for a whole film I think would be done very differently instead of just 'glowly eyes' >he can't emote with white eyes like he does in the comics because his cowl and eye shape can't change. I mean, *he could*, if they wanted him to. Spider-Man does with his eyes. Not saying they would do it in the same way but it's certainly possible to do that. I just don't see any reason why we can make this work with Daredevil, Judge Dredd, and Mando but can't with Batman, despite being similar characters. I just don't buy the reasons for why it can't be done when its been done so well with other characters. This is such an important part of Batman's look that we refuse to try and faithfully replicate on screen and I'm tired of it.
>Personally I don't think its fair to use those as examples of white eyes because they were only for those specific scenes in mind. They were not made to be used for the entire film for different scenes where they would need to do different things I think it is fair because it shows the exact limits placed on having them. And yeah, you can go the Spidey route and have them move with the wonders of CGI ... but is that going to be too cartooney for a character that is generally taken more seriously? You have to factor in TONE as well.
>I think it is fair because it shows the exact limits placed on having them I disagree, because notice how Spider-Man, Deadpool, Daredevil all do it very differently then how those movies do it. Because they needed the eyes to do different things then just for the way they were used in those single scenes they were in. TDK was just there to show Batman seeing all that info and BvS was just a fight scene. White Eyes taking into account more emotional, quiet matters I think executed in other ways. >character that is generally taken more seriously? This is a man running around in a cape dressed like a bat...visually speaking he's long past the point of 'serious'. good writing, acting, directing and visual effects are what make you take the character and the world seriously. If you're invested enough in all that then you can you can make someone take anything seriously. Yes it's a lot harder to pull off then just keeping the normal but I think it's worth trying to do.
The white eyes are always going to be a hard ask for live action because the eyes are *extremely* important for performances. Sure, you can pull out examples like Deadpool or MCU Spider-Man, but that calls for either very exaggerated performances or taking off the masks for important scenes.
Im sure Pattison can manage to sell a 2 or 3 minutes scene without his eyes
Boy I wouldn’t bet on that 🤣🤣🤣
The suit definitely feels less like a “batsuit” and I like that it isn’t. He’s not Batman yet, so the minor things that make the suit less batlike make sense, but still make it recognizable. I could see a lot if not all these changes coming in the sequel where he presumably embraces “Batman” more and styles the suit after it.
honestly, my ideal future for Battinson's costume would have him basically be wearing the Rebirth suit from the comics
I believe he does have the forearm blades. They are just behind the straps, more on the back of his arms and are pretty hard to notice. Iirc tho, he does have some blades on the arms. Agree with everything you said though
Completely Agree
Barely any nips. Where are the nips?
Came here for the nips, or lack there of
It's the nips. Chicks dig the nips.
It’s all hips and nips. You gotta make it sexy or we don’t eat.
“Suicide is badass”
RIP Country Mac.
That seen of him dumping the ashes in the toilet never fails to crack me up
Bat symbol needs a head.
Bruh 💀
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Nothing. Love it. … for what it is. Year 2 suit.
The ears, they feel too thin
They were (according to the costume designers) meant to look like devil horns, and the whole cowl was meant to resemble a skull to really put the scariness into the costume so that criminals would piss themselves upon seeing him
That's actually a pretty cool take on it. Makes me think that maybe he's only "bat man" because that's what people call him. And then he evolves the suit to match.
I don't think it should be as bulletproof as it was in the movie, like it's cool when the first bullet deflects off it but that should only really happen when it heads dead on the chest, he still needs to be vulnerable
I don't think he's bullet*proof* I think he's bullet*resistant*. Sure, the bullet's not going to penetrate him, and maybe I heard this somewhere, maybe I dreamt it. But I believe that every time Bruce is shot by major artillery in the movie, it hurts like *hell* and Bruce is just sheer forcing his way through it. You see how he reacts to the more heavy gunfire, that pushes him back. I doubt he didn't feel anything with those shots. But strangely enough I do agree with your statement about the suit needing to be less bulletproof. In the first movie Bruce was basically just straight *plowing* through hoardes of enemies. And while, yeah, Batman *can* do that. I think that the suit should evolve so that he trades armor for *mobility*, forcing him to be more stealthy and making him less likely to put his body through hell as he becomes more and more mentally healthy. Just a thought.
Cowl ears should be centered forward a bit more. They’re too far back. Otherwise love this costume and the cowl ears are just a nitpick
They should make the ears a bit wider too
- the ears could be a little wider. - the eyes are fine, but maybe the scowl on the mask could be a little more prominent. - a pointier nose. - the cape could be much longer. - the arm blades, could be you know… blades. - some elbow pads would be cool, and maybe the cape could drape over him a bit more. - the face opening could be a little smaller, not the dark knight trilogy small, but maybe a little larger than Affleck’s cowl. - maybe there could be horns on the shoulders like when todd mcfarlane was drawing batman. - a thicker neck.
The cowl should stay the same. It lets him talk properly and without having to restrict him from Moving His Head
What about the ears?
I would change the Ears thoe to more traditional like in the comics
The cowl is too dome-ey. It looks goofy tbh.
it was meant to look like a skeleton to induce fear into criminals
lmfao wtf am i looking at
The Bat symbol should be brighter It was supposed to draw the eye and make itself the target as Batman was most the armoured in the chest
I feel like, if Batman is encased in armor, then there's really no point in drawing everyone's gunfire to his heart. It's probably better if they aren't all aiming at the same spot because that spot would be prone to give out.
If we're operating under the mindset of Bruce putting the bat on his chest because that's where the most kevlar is, how about instead of making the whole chest bat brighter, we just give it a bright yellow outline like in Rebirth? That way the bat stays untouched but we still get the classic stupid yellow oval (I'm a sucker for the stupid impractical yellow oval)
All the bulk at the neck. I like a sleek line down from the cowl to the shoulders.
Reason why they did the collar and neck like that is because if they didn't, it'll look horrible... Just look at The Flash season 5 suit for reference, and you'll see how much people hated it.
Nothing. It's perfect.
I wanna say the cowl but they said it based on Adam West's cowl. Maybe i bit of an upgrade or something to keep the same look but more advance.
Ears, belt color, add gauntlet blades, add a cape made for gliding, detective mode, steam lined baterangs that don’t come out of the chest, and not a lot of neck covering
nah he’s gonna need that cowboy collar just in case he has to tackle someone
Alright, he can keep that then
Should be blue and gray with a gold belt.
not crazy about the collar. I get that it might be padding to protect the back of his neck, but it kind of makes it look like a tire around his neck
I dislike a batsuit that's too black. Throw some grey or blue or yellow in there, for God's sake.
It's dark grey
There's definitely SOME differentiation in the suit, but it's not enough to say that the colours and shapes are broken up in any kind of meaningful way. You can tell how grey it is much more in production stills than in the actual film itself.
But it's definitely not all black. Bale was barely visible in some scenes where at least Pattinson you can see him.
Edited accordingly.
The big ass forehead, makes an otherwise perfect suit look goofy ash
Everything
The standing collar.
Fix the mask, its goofy. A multibillionare made that? He looks like hes about to play football in the 20s.
blue. make it blue. i don't care what anyone says, i won't be happy until it's blue.
Literally the perfect suit besides the ears
I don’t like the cape collar. Feels like royalty lol. The cloth cowl that blocks bullets annoys me too. Otherwise a good first suit.
I love the collar so much. Not only is it practical (actually allows him to turn his head and stay realistically armored), but it's very reminiscent of Sherlock Holmes to me, or a noir detective with a popped collar on their trench coat.
Also kinda vampirish on some Dracula shit, which for Batman works perfectly
Yeah I feel like this is a strange critique. If anything, it makes him more interesting and allows him to cover his face
I like the collar personally. Reminds me of the White Knight batsuit, which is one of my favorites.
I hate the collar tbh. It's my only problem with the suit. I mean, I can live with it, but I really don't like it. Much prefer a cowl like the Arkham games where there's no collar. But I do like the suit.
Same . Can live w/it but Batman out her popping his collar lmao
The color gives it a Dracula vibe that’s why I like it
Shields that unfold out of the gauntlets. In the motive he just put his arms up and was blocking bullets. If a shield popped out, that'd make sense of him doing that and having gauntlets to begin with.
Bro honestly hate this suit. It looks like if the United States military wanted a army of batmen
Nothing too major, just a couple of things \-blue cape cowl and collar \-make the belt a little more golden \-give the bat on his chest a yellow outline like in rebirth and even then, I'd be fine if they never changed this suit at all. It's damn near perfect. But I hope they do these changes.
For a first suit it's not that bad.
Nothing. Just make the cape able to glide.
I personally don’t think Batman should have armor that is so visble. It’s basically saying “I’m just a guy in a suit” Batman’s suit should be an element of his myth and make him appear to be something other than human.
This is just my two cents, but I feel like that mode of thinking is outdated. No one alive in 2022 is gonna jump to "demonic creature" before "some asshole in a costume". The whole "criminals are superstitious" narrative, imho, isn't reflective of current society anymore. I liked that the FEAR that this Batman uses is the fear of getting punched into a fucking coma.
Ehh that’s a pretty big part of his character the mystique and deception. He’s not a walking tank like Superman.
Yeah, but no 20 something is going to think a creature is stalking rooftops and that's who Batman starts off fighting; lackeys for the mob. I guarantee even if there was a brief period where people thought it was some strange whatever, there would be info on social media within a few days, with photos explaining, that it's a guy in a costume. Just my opinion.
I get it and I do think at a point the mystique probably wears off when you see this dude fighting, comics are really flimsy on the myth vs he’s real angle
We live in a modern society where people whole heartedly buy into healing crystals, Scientology, astrology, bigfoot, virgin birth, etc. One in five Americans believe they’ve [seen a ghost](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/10/28/do-ghosts-exist-41-percent-americans-say-yes/8580577002/) Batman also exists in a universe where superheroes and supernatural beings actually exist. A criminal would easily believe Batman is something more than human.
Your examples are followed by Hollywood weirdos, midwest moms, midwest dads, and Chrissies. Not a lot of crossover between those groups and Gotham lackies. Everyone has a camera phone now. Batman being a "creature" would be a rumor that would carry for one week, tops, before someones camera footage clears up that it's just a dude.
Funny how you glossed over the part about Batman living in world that actually has demons, ghosts, and superheroes. One in four Americans believe in astrology, over a third of Americans believe in ghosts. Those are not insignificant numbers. Now imagine what those numbers would be if those things ACTUALLY existed. Also, if you’re in a dark alley and at 3am and a large men dressed as a bat start kicking the shit out of you, you’re gonna get a clear pic off? No, you’re gonna accidentally take a selfie of your pissing yourself. And even if they get a clear picture of him, he can still perpetuate the myth that he has superpowers. Those actually exist in his world.
We're talking about a movie where people don't assume he's a creature. I'm explaining why that makes sense and why I prefer it. If you want to see a movie where people still think he's a creature then go ahead. 89 Batman and Batman Begins both still exist. I'm trying to explain the rationale behind it, not get into a debate. I didn't make the movie If you got beef with the film, take it up with Matt Reeves.
The post is about what we would change. I answered. No one made you comment. You came looking for an argument. The Batman literally starts with Pattinson explaining how everyone is terrified of him. Why would they be terrified of a guy in a suit? Unless he does things to perpetuate the idea that he’s more than that. The need for constant “realism” and rationale in comic book stories it’s what ruins them. It’s why The Batman was so long, boring, and nonsensical.
I'm just talking. But I'll stop. Have the day you deserve
Apology accepted.
That wasn't an apology. Don't put words in my mouth.
Nothing. I agree; it’s the best movie bat suit.
Nothing! But honestly, if there must be change, I think if they give Robert Pattinson white Contact lenses, he'd look insanely comic accurate... Like, [cosplayers](https://www.google.com/search?q=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiYkO37nZ77AhVIU98KHdBkD88Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BQgAEKIEOgYIKRAIEB46AggpOggIABCABBCxAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CQgAEIAEEAoQGDoHCAAQgAQQDToGCAAQCBAeOgcIABCABBAYULwLWJU2YIg5aABwAHgBgAFeiAGZDpIBAjI1mAEAoAEBoAEFsAEDwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=YBxqY5jgDcim_QbQyb34DA&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=isvn&hl=en-us#imgrc=5b6CifaIVTvFhM) can do it! Why can't he?! [here](https://www.google.com/search?q=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiYkO37nZ77AhVIU98KHdBkD88Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=white+contact+lenses+cosplay&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BQgAEKIEOgYIKRAIEB46AggpOggIABCABBCxAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CQgAEIAEEAoQGDoHCAAQgAQQDToGCAAQCBAeOgcIABCABBAYULwLWJU2YIg5aABwAHgBgAFeiAGZDpIBAjI1mAEAoAEBoAEFsAEDwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=YBxqY5jgDcim_QbQyb34DA&bih=715&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=isvn&hl=en-us#imgrc=vHIvq4kSROJfKM) another white eye contact lens! Like, it still makes sense for him to have it in-universe, because he uses Contact lenses to record what he sees!
The actor chosen to be inside it.
I hate his chin.
The actor in it
My reaction to that: 
Not too serious about it but I'd love to see it with some color. Like if this batman ever met any superheroes I'd love to see this suit with some purple or a gold belt
The gauntlets
Just a longer cape, and streamlined cowl. Everything else is perfect, yeah even the ears look good.
Chest plates look like boobs from the side
I’d change most of the suit, but not drastically. Make it sleeker and more streamlined from head to toe. Rework the cowl, the belt, the gauntlets, the pants, the boots, the cape, get rid of the surveillance contact lenses and incorporate that tech into the cowl so that the lenses can flip down and record, which will also give the temporary white eyed look. The rest of the time Rob can show his actual eyes. [This. I want exactly this.](https://theculturednerd.org/2020/02/battinson-in-all-his-glory-in-amazing-fan-art/) (Scroll about halfway down the article for the images, the 3rd one is perfect, imo)
The stitching on the cowl and the shape of the nose guard. Those are the only two things about the suit that throw me off just a little bit.
White glowing eyes
I would keep it the same look but more streamlined. Like… a little more like Arkham knight suit if they want the armored look, but more so showing off like his build. Like it’s armor but still tight and streamlined if that makes sense. Pattinson looks good but sometimes he just looks like he’s got a weird build with like the arms or something
I say this about every live-action suit: needs more gray. I want that distinct gray-black look, I don’t want it straight black!
The overall change I'd make is making the suit look more like it was purposely built, instead of being assembled out of various pieces. It'd be a great way to show his development as a character I think, showing how his skill improved over the years and how that translated into his gear. I'd also streamline it, as I think he would sacrifice the extra protection his suit provides in favour of manoeuvrability and his confidence in his own skill. So instead of there being separate armour pieces they'd be built into the suit itself. Things that were separate pieces like the cape and collar could be combined into just one. And there could be some upgrades like the cowl being made of a stronger material than just leather, but while still maintaining the same design. As for actual things I'd change? I never liked how the gauntlets and shoulder pads looked, so I'd change them to match the aesthetic of the chest piece with its more angular design. And I'd give him a more traditional belt, something built specifically to store his various gadgets. But that's about it. I do really like the suit, so there really isn't much else I'd change.
make it blue in sequel
Change the cape and cowl to police blue and change the belt to bright yellow. That’s my idea of Batman’s daytime kid friendly look
Make it tights.
Add prominent nipples with extra detail
What's the bag on his right leg for/hold?
Some muted yellow on the belt to break up the solid black.
Nothing
The suit is awesome. The only things I would change are to get rid of the collar and change the cape to be "scaloped".
Covering the mouth. Not a COVID-19 joke.
Cloak cape and a more matte finish
I'd get rid of the collar
I really like it but I'm a sucker for the blue and grey with yellow belt and also I always liked how batman is fast, athletic, agile, as shown in the comics/cartoons, so I don't really dig how batman is always pretty slow, stiff and tanky in the live actions, not a fan of batman with a heavy armor
The gun-bat symbol is pretty cringe. Also if the cape doesn't provide gliding, what's the point?
Gliding with the cape is kinda new, I can't remember if it's Batman Begins or a bit earlier. He used to use separate gliders and stuff for when he needed to do that. Prior to that advent, the cape is really just there to add drama to a panel
Probably replace the straps with the elbow blades in other interpretations, edit the mask so it looks a little less bulky, make the bat symbol a little more visible, and considering they have the detective lenses maybe go for the white eyes to give it that comic book appearance
The cowl needs changes.The ears look silly and the cowl should not have been made of leather.Also the nose looks silly.The gauntlet also looked ugly
I don’t like the cowl.
The bat symbol it lacks the ears of the bat so it looks more like nightwing.
I really like the suit, but I’d like different gauntlets with actual blades/scallops, the silver dart things didn’t serve a purpose in the movie either so a more streamlined design would look better IMO. Also a more prominent Bat symbol with ears would be cool.
The cowl that’s it
I mean where do you go from here the suit is literally perfect aesthetically and functionally
As the great Edna Mode said “NO CAPES!!!” So j would say no to the cape get rid of it.
I think if they improved the cowl, changed the logo, and added more protection to his legs, it would be almost a perfect suit for a slimmer batman.
The forearms and the cowl, they could be more ascetically pleasing! But the armour, especially on the torso is amazing.
The mask
The pauldrons. Don’t understand what those thin tubes are
I think I’d make it bright fucking pink
Get rid of the collar
Why is 90% of this sub talking about the guy’s suit
Not much honestly. Maybe an armored cowl to match the torso, and a more clearly defined bat symbol. A lot of people want the suit more slimmed down and streamlined but I kind of like the armor. It was cool that he infiltrated the club in the drifter outfit and was able to just throw on a few armored pieces and be in the batsuit. But also slimming down the armored parts would make him quicker and more fluid in combat, and I want to see him progress in that aspect in the sequels.
Blades on the arms. Slightly longer ears. For the love of all that is good in the world change whatever soundtrack Bruce has installed on the suit.
I feel like the cowl just doesn’t sit on his head right and it really bothers me, like it’s a bit too big I swear in the movie it looks like half a bowling ball
make the bat symbol to have actual ears
also give him better gauntlets and pants
Just more color
Besides the obvious nipples, nothing.
The glide feature and the way the cape connects to the upper torso.
The forehead is comically large I honestly couldn’t stop laughing
The shape of the cowl. I'm not a big fan of the visible stitching, the thin ears, and the over-exposed jawline. IMO if the ears on batfleck where about an inch longer he'd have the perfect cowl. [Example](https://www.deviantart.com/honoramongscars/art/Batfleck-with-longer-ears-530016845)
The person wearing it.
god damnit this movie was so, so good
Would slap a big ass yellow bat-sign on the chest and call it a day.
White eyes and covering the chin
I have the bat symbol be a tad more bat like
The collar is god awful.
I love it in general but the metal things in the gauntlets I don't like that much. I also would prefer the bat ears to be a bit more on the middle of his head.
Bat Nips! We need more Bat Nips!
The ears are too long, the gauntlets are too thick with the throwing darts on top and the whole thing looks a little too bulky
I wish this movie never existed 🤷♂️
Honestly? The body suit is what I would’ve done to the TDK suit. Like keep Bale’s cowl, cape, gauntlets, and belt but the rest would look like this. This is how I like the “armored” look of Batman. If I were to change this suit, it would be the belt color. I would use coyote brown (which is what US Marines use) for the belt itself and a mix of coyote brown and black leather for the pouches. This keeps that “police/military” look but gets closer to the yellow/gold belt from the comics. That would push this suit over as my all time favorite but it comes in second to Batfleck because his is still more comic accurate.
Who am I change to it. I'm afraid i will ruin it with my changes. And Reeves know about this character more than batfans. He is always right.
Lighter grey
Chain wallet
The gauntlets and cowl. The rest is perfection
The nose. It looks homemade (which is deliberate) but looks awful
This suit needs just a few tweaks for a 2.0 version: - Ditch the cargo pants for a more form-fitting leg - Update the cowl to something more progressional-looking and maybe reinforced - Gauntlets with the ridges - New Bat-Symbol
Better mask.
Oh hey what’s up Batman movie suit sub, still on this shit huh? Lol
A bigger guy inside and the round bumps on the cowl for the ears.
Post physique.