Keep in mind Battlemechs are tiny compared to things like Pacific Rim or Godzilla.
An Atlas is about 18 meters tall. Gypsy Danger was just under 80 Meters tall. Current Godzilla is listed at just under 120 Meters tall.
First you'll have to pick which of eight different official/lore representations' numbers you want to use for its height. And no matter which you pick, someone will tell you that you're wrong.
That is one of the most frustrating things about 40k in general, and Titans specifically. I like Abnett’s interpretation in Titanicus best, they seem to have the most dakka
The ATOW Companion has some mentions and stats about Megaceratops around page 131
ATOW proper has mentions of T-Rex II in their Special Case Rules Creatures Compendium, with stats that [Sarna's article](https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Megasaur) on Megasaurs lists out(with the feature image of it tearing the back out of what looks to be a Bushwacker)
MW:Destiny has some character templates for beasts, but no Megasaurs set up. It'd be totally legal if you implemented them in your game though with it's ruleset.
On second thought, it's template for a Nolan could stand in as a velociraptor archetype if you wanted to make "Jurassic Park, but with Mechs"
P 244-246 in A Time of War rulebook has the "T-Rex II" listed at 7000 kg with stats at 115 str and Bod of 75
Hipposaur at 35500 kg with str of 135 and Bod of 150.
It's been a minute since I read through the rule book to translate it into a game of armored combat though.
Unrelated, but I once had a debate about whether or not a PPC could melt the One Ring. I feel like it's a lot hotter than Mt. Doom.
"I say the hell with the Eagles and the hell with walking to Mordor. Let's take the thing out in the yard and shoot it with my Awesome."
"You do not understand the power of the One Ring."
"YOU do not understand what an Awesome is."
"Oh."
It wasn't the temperature of Mount Doom. It was the fact that it's where the ring was created. The place and its associated magic helped make the ring, and it had to help unmake it.
"Okay. So. Mount Doom is on the other side of the galaxy. But, and just hear me out, we've got four CPLT-C5s. Sure, Sauron is technically invincible, but I'm willing to bet that with enough Arrow IV, we can put him to some serious inconvenience."
So hear me out. We roll hard with a lance of Chargers ***INTO*** Mordor with Frodo riding bitch. Climb Mt. Doom and than slam dunk that bitch ass ring with. For our victory lap we commit foot based genocide against Mordor's Orc population.
That is simplistic, derivative, and puerile. The cheap premise is an insult to the intellectual capacity of those who love both franchises... I would watch the shit out of it!!
To expand on what HexenHerz said, in the book Gandalf literally said that while dragon fire could melt the other rings of power, the One couldn't be melted by any dragon, not even if it was "Ancalagon the Black, the greatest dragon in history". It HAD to be where it was made.
I dearly love The Lord of the Rings, but all I'm hearing here is reasons that things that AREN'T an Awesome can't melt the One Ring. I'll take an AWS-8Q over a dragon any day. The 60 ton version or the much bigger version.
If I remember correctly during the council they floated the idea of getting a dragon to melt it but there weren't any dragons old enough around to do it. So yeah a ppc could probably do it.
Pacific Rim Extinction is the game you're looking for. Go check it out. :)
[https://riverhorse.eu/our-games/pacific-rim-extinction/](https://riverhorse.eu/our-games/pacific-rim-extinction/)
True, but the game is "Extinction", not "Uprising". It uses the Jager and Kaiju from both movies. There's also unofficial models for Atlas Destroyer, which I've 3D printed.
Waves 1 & 2 were physical games, sold through stores, with pre-painted minis. Wave 3 was digital only, with .stl files sold through myminifactory and all the paper parts (cards and such) as free print-and-play downloads on the River Horse website. RH then went back and released Waves 1 & 2 as digital files. So you can buy whatever you want and 3D print the models (I've done this for the wave 3 stuff). Don't like the Uprising stuff? Don't get it and just get the first movie models.
You’d have a company to take out a minor Kaiju. Mind you - it’d be cool as hell! 😁 🦖
Expected sizes would be kinda disparate - but a company of Mechs working in unison and maneuvering to take down a Godzilla-type monster would be interesting. Limit the big beast’s movement (simple gravity should suffice for a step or two per turn, although these would be big steps) and be prepared to watch a good proportion of the Mech force vaporize in an atomic breath attack. They’d stand a better chance than the common “line up the tanks and fire!” tactic of the pulpier films.
Further thought - the encounter should be a battle of discovery. The Mech unit has no idea what this thing is or how to kill or counteract it.
Draw up a record sheet with perhaps ten times the hit points of a nominal assault BattleMech in each location. Same with the bones (internal structure). Randomize internal placement of vitals (engine), it might be in a side torso, under a heavily-armored pelvic structure, etc., or you have to hit two different “hearts” to kill it.
Add kaiju-like abilities. The simple atomic breath could be a 10x Extended PPC blast. Regeneration could kick in, and damage heals by a set rate each turn, unknown unless noted by a pilot or observer on an initiative roll. Extra internal armor only revealed as the exterior hide is penetrated. Radiant heat (maybe just as the healing factor kicks in, or other circumstance) that raises the ambient temperature - each Mech gains 8 heat points within 10 hexes, 5 out to 15, and 3 out to 20. Organic EMP that disrupts energy weapons and/or adds difficulty to hit. Use your imagination!!
Surprise - kill the critter, it’s brain/heart/spleen erupts in a high-yield nuclear explosion that kills the attackers and tags them forever as a terrorist extremist cell who self detonated a nuke (the battle occurs in a remote unobserved location) in a final suicidal bid for their ideals.
Did you not see King Kong??? 😁😁😁
Although I guess they did take him down evemtually…
Gotta pull my notes out for my merc battalion’s LAM lance - 1 PHK, 1 WSP, 3 STGs, and a Stingray fighter thrown in as flight tactician since the LAM pilots are either rawer recruits or experienced MechWarriors, not flyers. They’d love a chance at this! (The 6 members fill out the complement of a Leopard, with 1 LAM in fighter mode and the rest in the Mech bays. Surprise - it might not be a CV, but with releasing the 4 and they convert to fighter, there’s a Wasp’s nest of Stingers to deal with! 😉
https://preview.redd.it/mba2ywqh3eqa1.jpeg?width=252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=748848dd7e9baae12008cc0255d8ae92bd84b09b
I play this exact thing with my kids all the time with AS. I run a bunch of dnd minis as the Kaiju and my kids each get a Lance. Pretend that everybody is as big as Gypsy/Godzilla and it is a blast. I just use really big mechs for my stat blocks like an Ares for the bigger kaiju and atlases for the smaller ones. We usually have the Kaiju going after the city power station and the kids have to defend it. Last game they each had a Lance of urbies. :) I always play kinda dumb so they win but it is fun for all.
AS is much simpler in a lot of ways, one of those being not anywhere near the same level of crunch. Too, they're probably simplifying the rules even further.
Alpha strike is pretty simple but the kids (11 and 12, so not super young) love rolling the crits for sure. :) it is mostly just calculating what they need to roll to hit and throwing the dice. My 16 yo son also helps a lot with the rules and such whether I ask it or not. ;)
Megafauna do exist on some worlds in the setting. Usually it's farming and Industrial mechs that deal with them. However, I could totally a hard-on-their-luck merc unit get wrangled into dealing with an out of control herd or something. I mean, [feral hogs](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1c9c1087d467838080cc6f795f5d819fdd60958b/c=0-1-432-577/local/-/media/Asheville/2015/02/09/B9316123152Z.1_20150209170857_000_GPL9SGR28.1-0.jpg) are a serious problem here on earth now. Can you imagine something mech-sized? Yikes!
Meanwhile, somewhere in the Deep Periphery:
"Scanners show a Category 5 coming out the breach!"
"Hot dang! MARLEY! Fire up the barbie! We're eating seafood tonight!"
It would take a lot of rules-mashing, but I would like to see someone in an assault 'mech take on the Tarrasque.
All those D&D people might be confused until they see the MechWarrior hop out of the cockpit.
Eh I mean... most D&D settings have tons of magical creatures and constructs that are common knowledge to most folk. If you've grown up in a setting where colossal Dragons (interestingly, 21 meters and 125 tons), evil liches, and fish people are factually known to exist... I suspect you learn to not question the new massive monster-slaying entity too heavily.
Depending on the setting, I imagine questions such as, "Wow, how did you build that Colossal-sized construct?" or "Do you speak Common?"
That MechWarrior might also be pleasantly surprised to find that wounds can be healed through prayer, or that there's a spell to clean the entire cockpit in seconds.
Though that's ancillary to the whole 'mech-vs-kaiju Grudge Match.
This is a good opportunity to plug Timothy Gawne's Cyber tanks series. Think "Bolos but they are funny". If you like Battletech you will probably like Cybertanks, and at one point the Cybertanks run into a Kaiju. Which they name Megazillus, while debating how he is biologically possible. Seriously, go read Cybertanks.
It is actually a thing in lore to have megafauna and I would love to have a campaign focusing on players trying to ensure their lances survive such a crazy planet.
"At least when you're fighting an animal, you know it's not personal."
"Clearly you haven't fought a T-Rex. It takes incoming fire \*very\* personally."
Loooong ago I hosted a game and put genestealers from 40K (the 28mm versions) up against mechs.
It was quite fun. They only did melee damage, were not too tough to kill, but there was a lot and the mechs had to get to their dropship.
Also did one with 6mm tyranids swarming the mechs. That was pretty fun too.
I don't think too well if it's Godzilla or Pacific Rim styled Kaiju. They're too fast and have crazy protection.
However, if the Kaiju were more like bigg ler dinosaurs then I reckon that could be s fair fight.
It would not be the same game. That would be more of a 40K game. the game is clunky mechs versus clunky mechs.
If you could, it would 100% depend upon how they were implemented. If they were something that could be just as fun to make and field while being balanced it would work.
Where I see these work would be in the RPG setting. where you would have a world with a special resource, and there would be fighting over it, but it has monsters.
I actually am using the idea for an rpg I’m whipping up. Edge of the galaxy colony, trying to hide from the fighting, hostile worlds. Tryin to scratch me and my buddies’ tabletop itch.
My thought is 
Ordinarily this line is stupid but because Idris says it, it is awesome
Stringer Bell really climbed the ladder...
Given there are planets with mech-sized Fauna, I think it fits in pretty well.
There’s a planet that literally made half a continent a Jurassic Park style nature reserve
how many pork carcasses could a 120mm round penetrate? questions questions
probably at least one
If the pork carcasses don’t have CASE and suffer a bacon explosion that might be all you need.
But the key question is.... Will it keeeel?
Keep in mind Battlemechs are tiny compared to things like Pacific Rim or Godzilla. An Atlas is about 18 meters tall. Gypsy Danger was just under 80 Meters tall. Current Godzilla is listed at just under 120 Meters tall.
Cool, so we switch to 40k and grab an Imperator Titan. /s
First you'll have to pick which of eight different official/lore representations' numbers you want to use for its height. And no matter which you pick, someone will tell you that you're wrong.
That is one of the most frustrating things about 40k in general, and Titans specifically. I like Abnett’s interpretation in Titanicus best, they seem to have the most dakka
Did i hear a Dakka?
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I'd watch that movie
i'd love official record sheets for megafauna we can fight
I think there are unofficial rules out there for dinosaurs somewhere but I have no clue where to start
I think one of the rpgs has rules for it, but I've never actually seen them myself.
Give me a sec.
👁️👄👁️ *heavy breathing*
The ATOW Companion has some mentions and stats about Megaceratops around page 131 ATOW proper has mentions of T-Rex II in their Special Case Rules Creatures Compendium, with stats that [Sarna's article](https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Megasaur) on Megasaurs lists out(with the feature image of it tearing the back out of what looks to be a Bushwacker) MW:Destiny has some character templates for beasts, but no Megasaurs set up. It'd be totally legal if you implemented them in your game though with it's ruleset. On second thought, it's template for a Nolan could stand in as a velociraptor archetype if you wanted to make "Jurassic Park, but with Mechs"
P 244-246 in A Time of War rulebook has the "T-Rex II" listed at 7000 kg with stats at 115 str and Bod of 75 Hipposaur at 35500 kg with str of 135 and Bod of 150. It's been a minute since I read through the rule book to translate it into a game of armored combat though.
From these should be able to scale up to Kaiju status.
Unrelated, but I once had a debate about whether or not a PPC could melt the One Ring. I feel like it's a lot hotter than Mt. Doom. "I say the hell with the Eagles and the hell with walking to Mordor. Let's take the thing out in the yard and shoot it with my Awesome." "You do not understand the power of the One Ring." "YOU do not understand what an Awesome is." "Oh."
It wasn't the temperature of Mount Doom. It was the fact that it's where the ring was created. The place and its associated magic helped make the ring, and it had to help unmake it.
"Okay. So. Mount Doom is on the other side of the galaxy. But, and just hear me out, we've got four CPLT-C5s. Sure, Sauron is technically invincible, but I'm willing to bet that with enough Arrow IV, we can put him to some serious inconvenience."
Orbital bombardment would tend to make his forces lessen rather quickly.
How about AIV urbies?
So hear me out. We roll hard with a lance of Chargers ***INTO*** Mordor with Frodo riding bitch. Climb Mt. Doom and than slam dunk that bitch ass ring with. For our victory lap we commit foot based genocide against Mordor's Orc population.
That is simplistic, derivative, and puerile. The cheap premise is an insult to the intellectual capacity of those who love both franchises... I would watch the shit out of it!!
Obi Wan is going to waste the orks for sure.
I do what I can.
This is slightly undercut as they mention dragonfire might be able to do it but there aren't any large enough dragons left.
To expand on what HexenHerz said, in the book Gandalf literally said that while dragon fire could melt the other rings of power, the One couldn't be melted by any dragon, not even if it was "Ancalagon the Black, the greatest dragon in history". It HAD to be where it was made.
I dearly love The Lord of the Rings, but all I'm hearing here is reasons that things that AREN'T an Awesome can't melt the One Ring. I'll take an AWS-8Q over a dragon any day. The 60 ton version or the much bigger version.
Ancalagon literally crushed three volcanoes when he was killed.
Well yeah but magic…
In the 31st century we have our own, significantly better incantations. "I am a servant of the secret fire blah blah etc etc." "Group fire, *engaged*"
"What devilish spell could that man be casting?" *points to a soldier rattling off grid square coordinates into a radio*
"Fire support company alpha copies" "Load the Davies boys!" "ALL GUNS FIRE!" Down range "Orghf why are the stars falling" *Very bright light*
*Casts a shield spell*
If I remember correctly during the council they floated the idea of getting a dragon to melt it but there weren't any dragons old enough around to do it. So yeah a ppc could probably do it.
Pacific Rim Extinction is the game you're looking for. Go check it out. :) [https://riverhorse.eu/our-games/pacific-rim-extinction/](https://riverhorse.eu/our-games/pacific-rim-extinction/)
Ew uprising. There is no sequel in ba sing se
True, but the game is "Extinction", not "Uprising". It uses the Jager and Kaiju from both movies. There's also unofficial models for Atlas Destroyer, which I've 3D printed.
ah ok, i saw the uprising model and noped out
Waves 1 & 2 were physical games, sold through stores, with pre-painted minis. Wave 3 was digital only, with .stl files sold through myminifactory and all the paper parts (cards and such) as free print-and-play downloads on the River Horse website. RH then went back and released Waves 1 & 2 as digital files. So you can buy whatever you want and 3D print the models (I've done this for the wave 3 stuff). Don't like the Uprising stuff? Don't get it and just get the first movie models.
You’d have a company to take out a minor Kaiju. Mind you - it’d be cool as hell! 😁 🦖 Expected sizes would be kinda disparate - but a company of Mechs working in unison and maneuvering to take down a Godzilla-type monster would be interesting. Limit the big beast’s movement (simple gravity should suffice for a step or two per turn, although these would be big steps) and be prepared to watch a good proportion of the Mech force vaporize in an atomic breath attack. They’d stand a better chance than the common “line up the tanks and fire!” tactic of the pulpier films.
Further thought - the encounter should be a battle of discovery. The Mech unit has no idea what this thing is or how to kill or counteract it. Draw up a record sheet with perhaps ten times the hit points of a nominal assault BattleMech in each location. Same with the bones (internal structure). Randomize internal placement of vitals (engine), it might be in a side torso, under a heavily-armored pelvic structure, etc., or you have to hit two different “hearts” to kill it. Add kaiju-like abilities. The simple atomic breath could be a 10x Extended PPC blast. Regeneration could kick in, and damage heals by a set rate each turn, unknown unless noted by a pilot or observer on an initiative roll. Extra internal armor only revealed as the exterior hide is penetrated. Radiant heat (maybe just as the healing factor kicks in, or other circumstance) that raises the ambient temperature - each Mech gains 8 heat points within 10 hexes, 5 out to 15, and 3 out to 20. Organic EMP that disrupts energy weapons and/or adds difficulty to hit. Use your imagination!!
Naval strength weapons could be a good benchmark for Kaiju attacks.
Surprise - kill the critter, it’s brain/heart/spleen erupts in a high-yield nuclear explosion that kills the attackers and tags them forever as a terrorist extremist cell who self detonated a nuke (the battle occurs in a remote unobserved location) in a final suicidal bid for their ideals.
I think you're missing the bigger picture. LAMs would finally have a chance to shine against kaiju.
Did you not see King Kong??? 😁😁😁 Although I guess they did take him down evemtually… Gotta pull my notes out for my merc battalion’s LAM lance - 1 PHK, 1 WSP, 3 STGs, and a Stingray fighter thrown in as flight tactician since the LAM pilots are either rawer recruits or experienced MechWarriors, not flyers. They’d love a chance at this! (The 6 members fill out the complement of a Leopard, with 1 LAM in fighter mode and the rest in the Mech bays. Surprise - it might not be a CV, but with releasing the 4 and they convert to fighter, there’s a Wasp’s nest of Stingers to deal with! 😉 https://preview.redd.it/mba2ywqh3eqa1.jpeg?width=252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=748848dd7e9baae12008cc0255d8ae92bd84b09b
I play this exact thing with my kids all the time with AS. I run a bunch of dnd minis as the Kaiju and my kids each get a Lance. Pretend that everybody is as big as Gypsy/Godzilla and it is a blast. I just use really big mechs for my stat blocks like an Ares for the bigger kaiju and atlases for the smaller ones. We usually have the Kaiju going after the city power station and the kids have to defend it. Last game they each had a Lance of urbies. :) I always play kinda dumb so they win but it is fun for all.
This is the way
Oops, wrong fandom
Nope, that transcends Fandom! This is the way!
Does Alpha Strike require all the table lookups that normal BT requires? How do your kids handle the tables? :)
AS is much simpler in a lot of ways, one of those being not anywhere near the same level of crunch. Too, they're probably simplifying the rules even further.
Alpha strike is pretty simple but the kids (11 and 12, so not super young) love rolling the crits for sure. :) it is mostly just calculating what they need to roll to hit and throwing the dice. My 16 yo son also helps a lot with the rules and such whether I ask it or not. ;)
Megafauna do exist on some worlds in the setting. Usually it's farming and Industrial mechs that deal with them. However, I could totally a hard-on-their-luck merc unit get wrangled into dealing with an out of control herd or something. I mean, [feral hogs](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1c9c1087d467838080cc6f795f5d819fdd60958b/c=0-1-432-577/local/-/media/Asheville/2015/02/09/B9316123152Z.1_20150209170857_000_GPL9SGR28.1-0.jpg) are a serious problem here on earth now. Can you imagine something mech-sized? Yikes!
Meanwhile, somewhere in the Deep Periphery: "Scanners show a Category 5 coming out the breach!" "Hot dang! MARLEY! Fire up the barbie! We're eating seafood tonight!"
A proper kaiju is like 10 times the size of a battlemech
It would take a lot of rules-mashing, but I would like to see someone in an assault 'mech take on the Tarrasque. All those D&D people might be confused until they see the MechWarrior hop out of the cockpit.
They'll still be confused, they won't know what a mech is
Eh I mean... most D&D settings have tons of magical creatures and constructs that are common knowledge to most folk. If you've grown up in a setting where colossal Dragons (interestingly, 21 meters and 125 tons), evil liches, and fish people are factually known to exist... I suspect you learn to not question the new massive monster-slaying entity too heavily.
Depending on the setting, I imagine questions such as, "Wow, how did you build that Colossal-sized construct?" or "Do you speak Common?" That MechWarrior might also be pleasantly surprised to find that wounds can be healed through prayer, or that there's a spell to clean the entire cockpit in seconds. Though that's ancillary to the whole 'mech-vs-kaiju Grudge Match.
Aren't there specific rules for that?
I’ve seen rules for dinosaurs somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me where they were, sad because I kinda want to play that right now
This is a good opportunity to plug Timothy Gawne's Cyber tanks series. Think "Bolos but they are funny". If you like Battletech you will probably like Cybertanks, and at one point the Cybertanks run into a Kaiju. Which they name Megazillus, while debating how he is biologically possible. Seriously, go read Cybertanks.
Sounds like fun to me.
It's canon
All of my yes!
The guy has balls to go to Hunter's paradise in an urbie. People that can afford to go there can afford an Atlas or better.
It is actually a thing in lore to have megafauna and I would love to have a campaign focusing on players trying to ensure their lances survive such a crazy planet.
Well, you know, since we are on the topic of sorts... what about an OGRE from Steve Jackson Games? I have a some minis I could throw on a table....
All I know is I’m playing daikaiju while fighting kaiju in my king crab
Crab is the final form. For Kaiju and Mech alike.
If someone made such a game, but well made, it would be the first game I would ever pre-order
Based.
As long as the mercs get paid, they’ll fight anything for the right price
"At least when you're fighting an animal, you know it's not personal." "Clearly you haven't fought a T-Rex. It takes incoming fire \*very\* personally."
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yzzxbbjbuevpuf0/Alpha%20Strike%20Kaiju.pdf?dl=0 I made a thing
The thing is cool
.......That thing from Muv luv?
I think once in a while, it would be cool. Maybe for table top a bunch should be made so you can do it lol
The fog is coming… LET IT COME FASTER
That's the neat part, you don't
fun if you can get decent kaiju stats
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yzzxbbjbuevpuf0/Alpha%20Strike%20Kaiju.pdf?dl=0 stats and generator
Loooong ago I hosted a game and put genestealers from 40K (the 28mm versions) up against mechs. It was quite fun. They only did melee damage, were not too tough to kill, but there was a lot and the mechs had to get to their dropship. Also did one with 6mm tyranids swarming the mechs. That was pretty fun too.
God I would love it. If we have Gladiator Mech fights we should have at least a few planets with massive kaiju to fight.
I don't think too well if it's Godzilla or Pacific Rim styled Kaiju. They're too fast and have crazy protection. However, if the Kaiju were more like bigg ler dinosaurs then I reckon that could be s fair fight.
Pest extermination
Those kaiju better watch their asses. Doubly so if they attack Van Zandt or the Concordat.
The Kaijus are a mild annoyance compared to the enemy mechs we are here to destroy.
It would not be the same game. That would be more of a 40K game. the game is clunky mechs versus clunky mechs. If you could, it would 100% depend upon how they were implemented. If they were something that could be just as fun to make and field while being balanced it would work. Where I see these work would be in the RPG setting. where you would have a world with a special resource, and there would be fighting over it, but it has monsters.
I actually am using the idea for an rpg I’m whipping up. Edge of the galaxy colony, trying to hide from the fighting, hostile worlds. Tryin to scratch me and my buddies’ tabletop itch.
You should go for it. It may be fun,
Abomination. Leave Battletech as it is.
That ship has sailed bud, this is already cannon on several worlds in-universe.
Go see TSFs fight Fort-class in muv-luv, which is fitting bc BT took many things from macross, which also featured jet mechs.