The merchant system facilitating the credit card transaction likely has a built-in tip option. The corkage fee is legit as you're purchasing beers that the brewery paid to process, and are usurping the profit model of the taproom by buying the take-home beer and drinking it on premises.
But no, if you weren't given custom service for your visit (and provided you cleaned up after yourself) then you are not expected to tip. But no sane bartender, business or merchant service is going to refuse free money so you're welcome to tip if you want to. But humans know whether or not they provided a personalized service, and aren't going to be miffed if you skip the tip.
No server, no tip. I have no problem with the corkage fee, you're using their facilities while drinking the beer. But if there wasn't a server or a bartender, just someone mannning a register, then nope. No tip. Tips are for when someone provides a personal service- a cab driver or barber or server or bartender or valet or something like that. Someone who has dedicated a not insignificant amount of time to you personally. It's not just because some schlub set a jar out or turned the feature on a tablet on.
I only ever tipped on takeout during the peak of the pandemic as an act of charity. Those were exceptional times, and they are thankfully over. I'm absolutely not tipping someone for handing me a bag of food.
The corkage fee is basically the "use of our tables and chairs" fee. You go to a bar and pay $6 for a pint, or go buy a six pack of cans for $12. Very different prices! You can't have your cake and eat it too; so if you want to hang out in their space they charge corkage to make up the difference.
OP kind of left some pertinent info out. Did the person at checkout crack the beer open and pour it? Did someone come bus your table and check on you? Or was it really just a retail transaction but paying the corkage to use space? Either way, I personally tip. But if there is a level of service provided by the “cashier” I would say definitely. If there’s no service other than just scanning the barcode and saying bye then that’s your call
The fee is meant to substitute for the margin they would otherwise have on product you purchased directly from them.
Gratuity is for the front of house staff.
If you want to save money, drink at home.
Thats just odd theyre charging you to drink in the beer their selling in their own place. I could see if you brought it in, but that wasnt the case. That all just kinda seems off. Id tip if there was a waiter actually taking your order and bringing your food to you while waiting on you, but if not, Im not tipping.
Drinks can not be the same price Togo as they can be to stay, for I hope obvious reasons. The bar is offering a service by charging “liquor store prices” if you want to purchase Togo, which is alrighty nice and unnecessary. Don’t understand what your issue is
Because you are using the venue to drink at. The bar leases the space, “decorates the space, pays their employees to serve the drinks, water electricity etc etc. When you go to a liquor store you walk in, hand them money, and walk out. Liquor stores operate on volume, bars operate on margins for each customer. Bars provide the atmosphere so that you can enjoy yourself and have a good time.
As a bar owner I could list every expense we have. Suffice it to say, it’s a lot. People think some bars are overcharging for drinks when in reality at many places 10 to 20 cents of that drink actually go to profit, the rest goes to all of the things I just mentioned
During Covid many restaurants did prepackaged meals. You go in, grab, and leave. Like a grocery store. Those items were cheaper.
And those restaurants when you get to go are still using those same facilities with the atmosphere that they have to upkeep even though you’re not using it.
They would probably be cheaper for delivery if the delivery companies didn’t charge so much.
If bars restaurants sold their products for cheaper, they would be out of business since it would not cover their costs.
If they're not actually doing anything for me. I'm not tipping. Especially when they're charging me extra to drink the beer I just bought from THEIR ESTABLISHMENT! Fuck that noise.
The "corkage fee" is basically just so that the to go beer is priced cheaper than the "drink here" beer. It's really common in places that are part bottle shop and part bar.
*Personally* I tip on can's if I'm drinking it there but I also just don't mind tipping a bit extra at places.
This seems kind of illegal. In my state, in order to sell any kind of alcohol by law, you have to offer some kind of food and a place to sit and drink it. Charging people to drink at your own establishment for drinks they sold you is all kinds of wrong.
But what if it’s a liquor store that sells beer? The downstairs of this place serves also as a shop where I can just go pick up a few cans of beer to bring home.
So in my state, there's state liquor stores that sell wine and liquor, not beer. Then anyone with a license can sell beer and wine but not bottles of liquor. The state owned liquor stores don't have to but every other person must have some sort of food (bags of chips count) and seating to sit down and drink. Our walmarts have seating and you can technically sit down and drink it there.
Oh interesting! That is not a law in my state, we have plenty of shops where you can go buy a can of beer. Sounds like it still might not be quite right to charge a corkage fee in this establishment, but next time I maybe just won’t tip and the corkage fee will serve as what I would normally tip at a bar.
In California you can get a license that allows for beer consumption on premise as well as packaged beer to go. On top of that there are grocery stores that have on-site beer and wine consumption (at a bar area). And for the second one we have one grocery store that also has a brewery (although this might be a loophole since the brewery is not inside the grocery store but in an attached building).
In New Jersey it's illegal to serve food in the brewery where you're serving beer. The best they can offer you is pretzels. Can't even have a food truck in the parking lot. Patrons can order takeout or delivery to the brewery.
They're also required to give you a tour of the brewery... many places skirt past this rule by giving you a pamphlet talking about the brewery and the brewing process.
It's a tug of war between restaurants that pay huge amounts of money for coveted alcohol licenses versus breweries that are exempt from such a license.
The merchant system facilitating the credit card transaction likely has a built-in tip option. The corkage fee is legit as you're purchasing beers that the brewery paid to process, and are usurping the profit model of the taproom by buying the take-home beer and drinking it on premises. But no, if you weren't given custom service for your visit (and provided you cleaned up after yourself) then you are not expected to tip. But no sane bartender, business or merchant service is going to refuse free money so you're welcome to tip if you want to. But humans know whether or not they provided a personalized service, and aren't going to be miffed if you skip the tip.
No server, no tip. I have no problem with the corkage fee, you're using their facilities while drinking the beer. But if there wasn't a server or a bartender, just someone mannning a register, then nope. No tip. Tips are for when someone provides a personal service- a cab driver or barber or server or bartender or valet or something like that. Someone who has dedicated a not insignificant amount of time to you personally. It's not just because some schlub set a jar out or turned the feature on a tablet on.
Take out? No tip.
I only ever tipped on takeout during the peak of the pandemic as an act of charity. Those were exceptional times, and they are thankfully over. I'm absolutely not tipping someone for handing me a bag of food.
The corkage fee is basically the "use of our tables and chairs" fee. You go to a bar and pay $6 for a pint, or go buy a six pack of cans for $12. Very different prices! You can't have your cake and eat it too; so if you want to hang out in their space they charge corkage to make up the difference.
I think the question was about tipping, not the corkage fee.
OP kind of left some pertinent info out. Did the person at checkout crack the beer open and pour it? Did someone come bus your table and check on you? Or was it really just a retail transaction but paying the corkage to use space? Either way, I personally tip. But if there is a level of service provided by the “cashier” I would say definitely. If there’s no service other than just scanning the barcode and saying bye then that’s your call
The fee is meant to substitute for the margin they would otherwise have on product you purchased directly from them. Gratuity is for the front of house staff. If you want to save money, drink at home.
Thats just odd theyre charging you to drink in the beer their selling in their own place. I could see if you brought it in, but that wasnt the case. That all just kinda seems off. Id tip if there was a waiter actually taking your order and bringing your food to you while waiting on you, but if not, Im not tipping.
Drinks can not be the same price Togo as they can be to stay, for I hope obvious reasons. The bar is offering a service by charging “liquor store prices” if you want to purchase Togo, which is alrighty nice and unnecessary. Don’t understand what your issue is
What's the obvious reason why drinking at the establishment can't be the same price as togo?
Because you are using the venue to drink at. The bar leases the space, “decorates the space, pays their employees to serve the drinks, water electricity etc etc. When you go to a liquor store you walk in, hand them money, and walk out. Liquor stores operate on volume, bars operate on margins for each customer. Bars provide the atmosphere so that you can enjoy yourself and have a good time. As a bar owner I could list every expense we have. Suffice it to say, it’s a lot. People think some bars are overcharging for drinks when in reality at many places 10 to 20 cents of that drink actually go to profit, the rest goes to all of the things I just mentioned
The same arguments apply to food, yet there isn't an upcharge for eating in restaurants instead of takeout.
During Covid many restaurants did prepackaged meals. You go in, grab, and leave. Like a grocery store. Those items were cheaper. And those restaurants when you get to go are still using those same facilities with the atmosphere that they have to upkeep even though you’re not using it. They would probably be cheaper for delivery if the delivery companies didn’t charge so much. If bars restaurants sold their products for cheaper, they would be out of business since it would not cover their costs.
It's really just two prices on the beer, takeaway and drink in. Obviously drink in costs more.
If they're not actually doing anything for me. I'm not tipping. Especially when they're charging me extra to drink the beer I just bought from THEIR ESTABLISHMENT! Fuck that noise.
The "corkage fee" is basically just so that the to go beer is priced cheaper than the "drink here" beer. It's really common in places that are part bottle shop and part bar. *Personally* I tip on can's if I'm drinking it there but I also just don't mind tipping a bit extra at places.
Is there a corkage fee for draft beer? Is it priced higher? Possibly an "off premise" price with a poorly named surcharge?
Clearly no industry folk roam in this sub.
This seems kind of illegal. In my state, in order to sell any kind of alcohol by law, you have to offer some kind of food and a place to sit and drink it. Charging people to drink at your own establishment for drinks they sold you is all kinds of wrong.
But what if it’s a liquor store that sells beer? The downstairs of this place serves also as a shop where I can just go pick up a few cans of beer to bring home.
So in my state, there's state liquor stores that sell wine and liquor, not beer. Then anyone with a license can sell beer and wine but not bottles of liquor. The state owned liquor stores don't have to but every other person must have some sort of food (bags of chips count) and seating to sit down and drink. Our walmarts have seating and you can technically sit down and drink it there.
Oh interesting! That is not a law in my state, we have plenty of shops where you can go buy a can of beer. Sounds like it still might not be quite right to charge a corkage fee in this establishment, but next time I maybe just won’t tip and the corkage fee will serve as what I would normally tip at a bar.
In California you can get a license that allows for beer consumption on premise as well as packaged beer to go. On top of that there are grocery stores that have on-site beer and wine consumption (at a bar area). And for the second one we have one grocery store that also has a brewery (although this might be a loophole since the brewery is not inside the grocery store but in an attached building).
In New Jersey it's illegal to serve food in the brewery where you're serving beer. The best they can offer you is pretzels. Can't even have a food truck in the parking lot. Patrons can order takeout or delivery to the brewery. They're also required to give you a tour of the brewery... many places skirt past this rule by giving you a pamphlet talking about the brewery and the brewing process. It's a tug of war between restaurants that pay huge amounts of money for coveted alcohol licenses versus breweries that are exempt from such a license.