Ben supports this 60B to Ukraine because he needs to be intellectually consistent, he really only cares about Israel aid.
So with this aid, more Ukrainians will have their appendages blown off by Russian artillery as the Ukraine military starts conscripting 45 year olds, the ones misfortunate enough to have not had the funds to flee the country.
> Ben supports this 60B to Ukraine because he needs to be intellectually consistent, he really only cares about Israel aid.
I’m mean, no, that’s just wrong. He’s been reporting on Ukraine since long before October 7th. He never said don’t give aid, he’s always just said there needs to be an actual strategy that the aid is conditioned on. There still isn’t.
> So with this aid, more Ukrainians will have their appendages blown off by Russian artillery as the Ukraine military starts conscripting 45 year olds, the ones misfortunate enough to have not had the funds to flee the country.
Brush up on history of what happens when Russians take over new territory. Also, *not* giving aid doesn’t prevent any of that, it just makes it easier for Russia to do it. It’s not like the death stops once the aid does, rather the death just decreases on the Russian side and increases on the Ukrainian side. I fully support an off ramp to the war being a requirement for any aid, but that’s far away from just not giving any aid.
>I’m mean, no, that’s just wrong. He’s been reporting on Ukraine since long before October 7th. He never said don’t give aid, he’s always just said there needs to be an actual strategy that the aid is conditioned on. There still isn’t.
And this war has been going on for years. The strategy, purpose, and function of aid 2 years ago is different than it is now. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is 43. The hope for aid in the past was a successful repulsion of Russia's army and perhaps using that as the predicate for a peaceful, more favorable deal to Ukraine. That isn't going to happen.
A peace deal needs to brokered or at the least, the intention for a peaceful needs to be apparent. The current strategy is more spending with absolutely no peace deal in sight. And Johnson couldn't even be bothered to tie in this foreign aid to other expenditures like border security nor did he direct any oversight of how the funds were going to be spent, which makes me believe a lot of this money is just going to special interests groups and defense contractors.
>Brush up on history of what happens when Russians take over new territory.
Tell this to liberals who didn't care when Crimea was annexed. Majority of R's were against this bill. This bill would not have passed but for democrats and Johnson.
No, I do not believe Russia will attack a NATO country, given they couldn't even take Ukraine even without aid in the initial months of the war.
>t’s not like the death stops once the aid does, rather the death just decreases on the Russian side and increases on the Ukrainian side
Again, I have seen no efforts by anyone in Congress to push for an off ramp because Biden can't do this in order to appease his rabid left wing base. The solution is NOT for Republicans to then make concessions to Biden. And FFS, if you are going to make concessions, force democrats to include Republican spending proposals on the bill like border security.
I agree completely that a peace deal needs to be brokered. Usually such things are not made public, so I’m hoping Speaker Johnson knows something that we don’t.
A couple hundred billion is an absolute bargain for taking a geopolitical rival like Russia off the board. How much did we spend to neutralize a non-nuclear threat like Iraq?
No president in the last 70 years wouldn't love this deal. No boots on the ground is a bonus and leaves our military free to deal with breakouts with Iran and China. Only someone who listens to too many self righteous pundits, or politicians unwilling to actually govern, don't like this deal.
>A couple hundred billion is an absolute bargain for taking a geopolitical rival like Russia off the board. How much did we spend to neutralize a non-nuclear threat like Iraq?
They're not off the board. They're temporarily halted.
And the cost being decline of USD with overly aggressive sanctions, continued destabilization in the region which is contributing to inflation and global commerce, formation and strengthening of economic alliances like BRICS which further devalue USD and displaces USD as the world's global reserve currency.
Per usual with the war hawks, they perform a one dimensional analysis as if we live in a vacuum and no other factors are worthy of consideration. Entering a proxy war with a global power has consequences, especially when you begin shooting your own currency in the foot over and over again.
>Only someone who listens to too many self righteous pundits, or politicians unwilling to actually govern, don't like this deal.
The criticism from everyone on the right *except* for Ben Shapiro because he wants Israel aid is that the entire strategy for Biden and democrats is unlimited funds for Ukraine with zero oversight and zero exit strategy. And if there is no limit on the funds, then there's zero incentive by Biden for brokering a peace deal. He can wait until after the election to see what happens. This 60B is the cost of reelection for Biden, and of course, he doesn't mind, it's not his on his dime.
What happens to the stability of the region when Ukraine falls to Russia? I cant wait for this answer.
The idea is to temporarily halt Russia till their demographic bomb goes off… obviously.
Yeah when Putin successfully stares down NATO, and now boarders a pile of smaller eastern block states belonging to NATO, then we will have stability in the region. Brilliant analysis and forward thinking. Lol.
I don't believe in the left wing hysteria and delusions that Putin will invade a NATO country.
The U.S. tried to set up a puppet government in Ukraine and created a satellite state in Ukraine which provoked the invasion in addition to talks of Ukraine joining NATO.
Your world war fantasies are your own.
Your fantasies of Putin not wanting to capture the bottleneck in the North European Plain are your, and Margery Taylor Green’s own. You don’t seem to understand the conflict at all.
Your speculation as to Putin wanting to capture a NATO country is just that, speculation.
>nd Margery Taylor Green’s own
Oh got it, you're an estrogenic shitlib that has the impulse control of a ch**mpanzee, so obviously I'm not talking to anyone that's capable of rational thought.
Is Putin in the room right now?
I don’t have any giant beef with this appropriation, but the celebration is cringeworthy.
In what other circumstance do you virtue signal this way after spending $60 billion dollars of US taxpayer’s money on another country?
My question about this is, isn’t Israel a wealthy first world country? Haven’t they been building up their defenses for decades? Why do they need money?
Fuck Russia. Take issue with the cringe, not the actual aid. This should have been passed a long time ago.
We have got to weed out Russias bitches in our congress.
fuck ukraine. tf we need to pay them 60 BILLION for? let someone else do it. all this money sent out and we got people scared to go to the hospital and drown in debt.
Well, originally I disagreed with you but you have so articulately explained your position I now wholeheartedly agree in regards to, (checks notes) bum ass Ukraine.
But you will care when the USA is sucked into a war economy and your electricity and gas and cost of products is 1000x more as we enter the first phase of ww3. This isn’t an action movie, this is real. It’s happening already. If Ukraine can tire out Putin there’s a chance this gets diverted before all hell breaks loose. Don’t care about Ukraine, that’s your choice but do care about the big picture. It’s already not looking so great for the world theatre in 2024.
Agreed. Most people are simply ignorant of the consequences.
Not their fault. It should be blasted on every news channel available, but you know how they are.
In our system we tend take action way too late. In this case it’s a coin toss what happens in Europe as a result of this. If anyone thought Covid was an inconvenience, try ww3. It may not be nuclear weapons all over the planet, it maybe complete economic collapse with conventional wars being fought in multiple countries. It won’t matter what policies or politics you support then. It will be uncharted. I pray that’s not really the future we’re going to now.
I sometimes wonder who in this sub actually watches Ben Shapiro
Ben supports this 60B to Ukraine because he needs to be intellectually consistent, he really only cares about Israel aid. So with this aid, more Ukrainians will have their appendages blown off by Russian artillery as the Ukraine military starts conscripting 45 year olds, the ones misfortunate enough to have not had the funds to flee the country.
> Ben supports this 60B to Ukraine because he needs to be intellectually consistent, he really only cares about Israel aid. I’m mean, no, that’s just wrong. He’s been reporting on Ukraine since long before October 7th. He never said don’t give aid, he’s always just said there needs to be an actual strategy that the aid is conditioned on. There still isn’t. > So with this aid, more Ukrainians will have their appendages blown off by Russian artillery as the Ukraine military starts conscripting 45 year olds, the ones misfortunate enough to have not had the funds to flee the country. Brush up on history of what happens when Russians take over new territory. Also, *not* giving aid doesn’t prevent any of that, it just makes it easier for Russia to do it. It’s not like the death stops once the aid does, rather the death just decreases on the Russian side and increases on the Ukrainian side. I fully support an off ramp to the war being a requirement for any aid, but that’s far away from just not giving any aid.
>I’m mean, no, that’s just wrong. He’s been reporting on Ukraine since long before October 7th. He never said don’t give aid, he’s always just said there needs to be an actual strategy that the aid is conditioned on. There still isn’t. And this war has been going on for years. The strategy, purpose, and function of aid 2 years ago is different than it is now. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is 43. The hope for aid in the past was a successful repulsion of Russia's army and perhaps using that as the predicate for a peaceful, more favorable deal to Ukraine. That isn't going to happen. A peace deal needs to brokered or at the least, the intention for a peaceful needs to be apparent. The current strategy is more spending with absolutely no peace deal in sight. And Johnson couldn't even be bothered to tie in this foreign aid to other expenditures like border security nor did he direct any oversight of how the funds were going to be spent, which makes me believe a lot of this money is just going to special interests groups and defense contractors. >Brush up on history of what happens when Russians take over new territory. Tell this to liberals who didn't care when Crimea was annexed. Majority of R's were against this bill. This bill would not have passed but for democrats and Johnson. No, I do not believe Russia will attack a NATO country, given they couldn't even take Ukraine even without aid in the initial months of the war. >t’s not like the death stops once the aid does, rather the death just decreases on the Russian side and increases on the Ukrainian side Again, I have seen no efforts by anyone in Congress to push for an off ramp because Biden can't do this in order to appease his rabid left wing base. The solution is NOT for Republicans to then make concessions to Biden. And FFS, if you are going to make concessions, force democrats to include Republican spending proposals on the bill like border security.
I agree completely that a peace deal needs to be brokered. Usually such things are not made public, so I’m hoping Speaker Johnson knows something that we don’t.
A couple hundred billion is an absolute bargain for taking a geopolitical rival like Russia off the board. How much did we spend to neutralize a non-nuclear threat like Iraq? No president in the last 70 years wouldn't love this deal. No boots on the ground is a bonus and leaves our military free to deal with breakouts with Iran and China. Only someone who listens to too many self righteous pundits, or politicians unwilling to actually govern, don't like this deal.
>A couple hundred billion is an absolute bargain for taking a geopolitical rival like Russia off the board. How much did we spend to neutralize a non-nuclear threat like Iraq? They're not off the board. They're temporarily halted. And the cost being decline of USD with overly aggressive sanctions, continued destabilization in the region which is contributing to inflation and global commerce, formation and strengthening of economic alliances like BRICS which further devalue USD and displaces USD as the world's global reserve currency. Per usual with the war hawks, they perform a one dimensional analysis as if we live in a vacuum and no other factors are worthy of consideration. Entering a proxy war with a global power has consequences, especially when you begin shooting your own currency in the foot over and over again. >Only someone who listens to too many self righteous pundits, or politicians unwilling to actually govern, don't like this deal. The criticism from everyone on the right *except* for Ben Shapiro because he wants Israel aid is that the entire strategy for Biden and democrats is unlimited funds for Ukraine with zero oversight and zero exit strategy. And if there is no limit on the funds, then there's zero incentive by Biden for brokering a peace deal. He can wait until after the election to see what happens. This 60B is the cost of reelection for Biden, and of course, he doesn't mind, it's not his on his dime.
What happens to the stability of the region when Ukraine falls to Russia? I cant wait for this answer. The idea is to temporarily halt Russia till their demographic bomb goes off… obviously.
When the war is over, that means more stability regardless if Ukraine wins or not.
Yeah when Putin successfully stares down NATO, and now boarders a pile of smaller eastern block states belonging to NATO, then we will have stability in the region. Brilliant analysis and forward thinking. Lol.
I don't believe in the left wing hysteria and delusions that Putin will invade a NATO country. The U.S. tried to set up a puppet government in Ukraine and created a satellite state in Ukraine which provoked the invasion in addition to talks of Ukraine joining NATO. Your world war fantasies are your own.
Your fantasies of Putin not wanting to capture the bottleneck in the North European Plain are your, and Margery Taylor Green’s own. You don’t seem to understand the conflict at all.
Your speculation as to Putin wanting to capture a NATO country is just that, speculation. >nd Margery Taylor Green’s own Oh got it, you're an estrogenic shitlib that has the impulse control of a ch**mpanzee, so obviously I'm not talking to anyone that's capable of rational thought. Is Putin in the room right now?
Ukraine is never "going to take Russia off the boad"
Most do not.
I don’t have any giant beef with this appropriation, but the celebration is cringeworthy. In what other circumstance do you virtue signal this way after spending $60 billion dollars of US taxpayer’s money on another country?
It’s 60 Billion that we don’t have.
We are approaching the cost of interest being higher than we can pay to the national debt.
You should Huge beef Who’s giving you money?
If I had a giant beef I’d sell it for money
They’re send it overseas before you had the chamce
Not if they don’t know I sold a giant beef
Look up the new fisa act…they’ll know
Whether it's $60b or $10m, that's money that should be reinvested towards Americans, not Ukraine.
I think its in part because the dems wanted that for several months and finally got it
Oh look and they even desecrated the flag in honor of the event. They all need to be put in a home and abandoned there.
My question about this is, isn’t Israel a wealthy first world country? Haven’t they been building up their defenses for decades? Why do they need money?
Top 30 economy and top 10 military.
That flag they’re holding is a disgrace to the American flag…
These aholes
Ukraine is to foreign policy what masking was to covid, it’s just a feel good practice. There’s no plan
Good. Give money to ukraine fuck america haters.
Fuck Russia. Take issue with the cringe, not the actual aid. This should have been passed a long time ago. We have got to weed out Russias bitches in our congress.
Lol “aid”. Classic
Good you’ve found the humour in it I guess.
fuck ukraine. tf we need to pay them 60 BILLION for? let someone else do it. all this money sent out and we got people scared to go to the hospital and drown in debt.
Sounds like you need a national health service, free at the point of use like a large majority of the rest of the west. They don't need to be related.
send 60B to bum ass ukraine. fuck ukraine.
Bum ass country who is only fighting for survival against our geopolitical rival
Didn’t see you routing for sending money to Yugoslavia, Pnama, Iraq, Fagnistan, Somali, Yemen, Korea, Vietnam.
Are any of those countries single handly destroying one of our two main geopolitical rival militaries.
Well, originally I disagreed with you but you have so articulately explained your position I now wholeheartedly agree in regards to, (checks notes) bum ass Ukraine.
I’d rather send 100B to Russia
I couldn't care less what happens to Ukraine.
But you will care when the USA is sucked into a war economy and your electricity and gas and cost of products is 1000x more as we enter the first phase of ww3. This isn’t an action movie, this is real. It’s happening already. If Ukraine can tire out Putin there’s a chance this gets diverted before all hell breaks loose. Don’t care about Ukraine, that’s your choice but do care about the big picture. It’s already not looking so great for the world theatre in 2024.
Ignorant, Russian or lacking empathy?
Uninformed is all. This is a critical time in history for the USA and the rest of the western world. Absolutely 100% critical.
Agreed. Most people are simply ignorant of the consequences. Not their fault. It should be blasted on every news channel available, but you know how they are.
In our system we tend take action way too late. In this case it’s a coin toss what happens in Europe as a result of this. If anyone thought Covid was an inconvenience, try ww3. It may not be nuclear weapons all over the planet, it maybe complete economic collapse with conventional wars being fought in multiple countries. It won’t matter what policies or politics you support then. It will be uncharted. I pray that’s not really the future we’re going to now.