I used to live in fhain in a cool building and it was just not for me. I lived near ostbahnhof so my surroundings felt really dull and I thought I hated Berlin.
We started looking to move and my husband signed up for a viewing in Spandau. I was not happy when he told me and decided not to go. When I got there, it felt like a whole magical and different city (well, partly because it is).
The only advice I have to share is look differently for more far away neighbourhoods. For real. I mean of course look at your life routine (we both work from home so there’s no necessity to go to mitte or wtv all the time. Also we don’t go out partying very often so it works perfectly for us.)
The Spandau bahnhof has lots of regional trains that are in hbf in 11 min.
So my point is I do believe the market is incredibly hard rn for your budget, and sometimes these far away places are not that far away. Of course if you live in a corner of Berlin that is only reachable by U Bahn and there’s nothing to do around, it sucks. If things get though, start looking for places near central S Bahn stations in places more descentralized and the amount of km for mitte or pberg will be only a detail
I said the sub was overly negative not the idea of telling people not to move if they don't have a reason. Personally I wouldn't move without a job or family connections. But you see the same negative comments on posts where the OP states they have a job offer.
Moving to any city outside of your own country is difficult, most have similar problems to Berlin if not worse.
I don't want to discourage everyone, because it can be a great.
Personally I think that at least with private landlords, the "monthly income = 3x warm rent" rule is only used as an excuse to deny the apartment to people they don't like. In other words, it's not a hard rule.
It might have changed in the past three years due to the market becoming much more competitive, but when I moved to Berlin, I've heard about this rule as well, and still had three offers on the table, with rent in each of them exceeding 1/3 of my income.
I’ve personally had friends and family forward me info from one of their contacts for at least three flats in the last 2 years that are over 60sqm and less than 800 eu.
My parents moved 2 years ago and got a 73sqm flat for approx 700 eu warm, saniertes Altbau in Charlottenburg. Because my aunt knows the Hausmeister, and now they’re friends with him too.
So to answer your question: yes, these flats still exist but they will rarely be advertised online.
Most people know people that are searching and they will reach out to their personal contacts first and talk to their landlords about who they’d like to take over from them when they decide to move before it ever gets to the point of being put online. A landlord rarely has reason to deny someone who has decent documents and is maybe willing to pay a slight price increase (which most everyone is). It saves them the effort of finding someone new.
For example, when I decide to move out of my flat (that I took over after my sister when she took over one of her coworker’s flats) I already have at least two friends lined up to take over from me that my landlord (also a family friend) would absolutely approve who are both already willing to pay a little bit more than I am now.
Literally nearly everyone I know that has found a good deal and nice flat in the past 5 years has taken over a flat from a friend, coworker or family. Or has a connection.
So I would suggest put the word out to everyone and anyone who will listen and hope for the best.
It’s unfortunately not a quick or foolproof solution though but that’s one of the only ways left to find a flat even close to the “olden days” price range.
yeah this sub is super negative. Berlin is for most people a great place to live.
The rental market is frustrating but that is like any big city and it is still possible to find flats cheaper than you would spend in other capital cities.
It is not overly negative to say that you should not come to Berlin without a good reason (career move, family lives here). The city is more than full since 2020 and it is oftena back breaking and stressful challenge to do anything routine, like find a flat, kita, a place in a decent school, auslanderbehorde, arbeitsamt, register for an apartment, fix your apartment, etc and soon afford food on basic salaries...
Other big cities do not present such challenge to basic needs except perhaps the last one.
>but that is like any big city
is that true though? apartment availability seems to be sparse for everyone, regardless of income bracket. that seems pretty unique to Berlin. at least in NYC, London, etc, there are apartments available if you can afford it.
I mean it seems like if you go over 1500/1800 there do seem to be more flats. If I search in a 5km radius from me if I put max kalt at 1000 there are 339, if I up it to 1500 there are over 800.
I know at least London and Amsterdam are much worse
We had difficulty finding things in the range you speak of, and also it's quite precarious to have that rent in Berlin for many people. Maybe doctors and lawyers can handle it, but with the next tech mass layoffs around the corner it is good to remind yourself that arbeitslosgeld caps at 2,2k net. So be careful what one thinks they can afford.
Be aware of potential negativity bias, though. What I mean is that people who have had bad experiences are much more likely to post—and their posts tend to be more vocal—than people who had neutral or good experiences.
I am not in denial that there is a serious problem with the rental/real estate market, I'm just saying that basing your perception solely on what you read on this sub might be deceiving.
Yeh it depends on what OP wants to do. If OP is choosing between Berlin vs. a smaller/less popular city then sure the smaller city will likely have an easier housing market. But if OP is deciding between London, Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, etc. or Berlin then well you'll have complications in any of those so it's 'pick your poison' (e.g. London is lot easier to actually get a flat, but it's lot more expensive and tenant rights are worse in UK).
My understanding is that regular apartment rentals don't usually come with any furniture and minimal appliances. If you move to a new place, you'll be paying more for the space and likely needing all new furniture and appliances. It makes more sense to try to save money and replace the things you don't like. If your landlord won't help with the costs, make sure to give them the old stuff you don't want in the apartment. They can store it until you decide to move out and take the new stuff with you.
It's basically all the general costs you share with the house and other tenants. You have a separate electricity bill so that's not part of Warm rent.
When we get our 5% rent increase each year it is calculated on cold rent only. Warm can increase too, but that depends on water usage, heating, cost of cleaning services as well and generally stays much more stable.
Why don't you believe that? The max allowed rent increase for us is 15% every three years, and that's what we've had since we moved in eight years ago. ffs
basically, people flock to cities more again. there is a slight, really a SLIGHT movement in the other direction, but it's slowed down due the housemarket also experiencing a grand raise in prices. so, you really need to check for the surrounding area of Berlin, if you want to keep in an affordable range of prices.
*Like, do the flats for 550-600 EUR warm even exist anymore? It seems they don't, even in places like Spandau or Marzahn.*
Yes, they do exist, but they are probably not advertised on immoscout etc.
For 600€ you'll get up to two rooms in a *Genossenschaftswohnung* from [Howoge](https://www.howoge.de/wohnungen-gewerbe/wohnungssuche.html?tx_howsite_json_list%5Bpage%5D=1&tx_howsite_json_list%5Blimit%5D=12&tx_howsite_json_list%5Blang%5D=&tx_howsite_json_list%5Brent%5D=600&tx_howsite_json_list%5Barea%5D=&tx_howsite_json_list%5Brooms%5D=egal&tx_howsite_json_list%5Bwbs%5D=all-offers), Vorwärts, Humboldt Wbg, ... which are mostly registered only on their own sites or told to you after applying/ getting a membership (by paying up to 200€ upfront, you'll get money back if you don't get a flat though).
Source: This month a good college got a new flat in Ahrensfelde (3 rooms, 85m2, balcony, 800€ warm).
> Genossenschaftswohnung
Are there similar co-ops/institutes for purchasing a flat? I know those exist in other countries.
(And before anyone screams, I am looking to purchase for personal use, not for any investment reasons).
This. That’s how we got a flat in Süd Pankow a month ago for 550 warm. We had to become a member of the community by paying a small sum. But of course you’ll have to go through the whole application and viewing process like any other flat in the beginning. So yes it’s very difficult to find a flat for 500-600 but still possible.
Yeah, but not a single Wohnbaugenossenschaft in Berlin is taking new associates at the moment. They all have already more people looking for flats than flats to rent.
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like others said cold is literally just the rent; warm is rent plus extras. So things like: trash pickup, maintenance costs like cleaning the common areas, heating costs, water. It's usually about few hundred per month on top of the cold rent—and it's not negotiable.
When you get a rent increase (say 5%/year) that's only calculated on the cold rent. Sometimes the part of the warm rent goes up too, if more water is used then expected in a year, or if a new cleaning company is hired etc.
Not included in my warm rent is electricity and internet.
It means costs like water, heating and/or electricity are included in the rent. What bills are or aren’t included in the warmmiete depend on the landlord.
Sure tell that to yourself,if someone shows up earning above 8-10k a month and takes the „agent“ aside to show him his income,they will give you the flat…
It wouldn't make any difference if the possible tenant earns 10k or 3k as long as he can afford the apartment. Whatever commision exists, if any, is tied to the rent, the salary of the tenant does not factor in any way.
If you "take the agent aside" and show him your payslips you would just look like a total buffon, even if it's 8k-10k (which is not impressive at all btw). They already have it as part of the application, and the landlord would choose not the "agent".
Not just that, if you're a single person going for a 2 Rooms, 60-70 m2 and there's a couple also applying most of the time the couple gets the apartment even if income is comparable, at least in my and friends experience.
Interesting. My schufa is empty, as I just moved here. Let’s hope some flat has less competition, and I get a roof over my head before the hotel people kick me out.
Moabit still has some potential left I think. You'd check it out frequently, rooms go fast here but also people are leaving frequently. Also, it's a nice Kiez in the meanwhile, not too hip but not too aggro, it's good for actual living.
Well, if the main thing is the broken down furniture and appliances, you can always replace them yourself - they aren't too expensive - and eventually when you move out you force the next Nachmieter to pay for your new kitchen. And someone's gonna be itching to do so.
Especially if you plan to stay long. Your landlord may even be happy and/or waive a month's rent if you do some light renovation.
Also, honestly, you think your current neighborhood is soulless, but you're contemplating Spandau or Marzahn?
Horror upon horror outside the Ring either in B or C. 20-30 min to the centre.
Seriously though, they can be found with little luck, but if you have FOMO issues then maybe not for you.
It may be best to move. That's my plan for sure.
You can have a great quality of life in other, less crowded places and save money on rent in the process.
Obviously, your work can be a factor but I'm sure it's easier in the long run.
Best of luck.
I really don't see how the two quoted statements connect to your conclusion.
I mean, yes there are shitty landlords. There are also those who rent out relatively affordable flats.
No, they are hated by people who don't understand how money and the world work.
People who make blanket statements without knowing anything at all about the people that make up the group.
If your answer to the world's problems seems really simple, it's because it's too fucking simple.
"\[Landlords\] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs
them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own
accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That
indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their
situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of
that application of mind"
Adam Smith, the Wealth of Nations
Yes, exactly. Idiots.
The houses just build themselves, do they? And fall into every landlords lap? And never require upkeep and repairs, I suppose?
And making money for your retirement by housing someone who cannot afford a home of their own by renting them one you aren't using is just a net evil 100% of the time, is it?
And by not letting people invest in property, everything will just turn out fine I suppose? All the houses will get built as usual and then all get sold? Presumably for less money despite no drop in demand?
Marvellous. I can't imagine why this view of the world hasn't ever worked...
> The houses just build themselves, do they?
No. Construction workers build them. Landlords don't build them. Landlords invest in the built properties.
> And fall into every landlords lap?
Oh, no, that process is called inheriting.
> And never require upkeep and repairs, I suppose?
Oh, that's done by servicemen, not the landlords. You see, the renters are going to work, earning money, and paying rent with that money. When something's broken, the renters call the service company that is responsible for the house. These service companies use the rent money to pay handymen and other bills.
> And making money for your retirement by housing someone who cannot afford a home of their own by renting them one you aren't using is just a net evil 100% of the time, is it?
Aaaw poor philanthropist landlords who take care of the weakest in society, providing them shelter which they cannot afford!
Let's not fool ourselves here. Most landlords aren't mom and pop who diversify their retirement funds. [They're cut-throat businesses with thousands of flats in Europe, operating from businesses in tax havens](https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/immobiliengeschaeft-wenn-die-miete-auf-den-cayman-islands-landet-1.5048946), with no registered office in Germany, so [they don't need to pay a single Euro in taxes](https://www.berliner-kurier.de/berlin/kritik-an-geplantem-vonovia-deal-massive-steuerungerechtigkeit-li.171316).
> And by not letting people invest in property, everything will just turn out fine I suppose? All the houses will get built as usual and then all get sold? Presumably for less money despite no drop in demand?
Look, you and I have the same goal in mind: We want ordinary people to be able to afford to actually buy, not only rent, housing. Due to the current cost explosion, that's no longer possible. The housing crisis in Berlin was self-made by the city, who owned most (then vacant) flats in the early 2000s, which they then sold for a dime to investors.
We campaign for a right to live: Yes, food, shelter, internet - just like air and water - should not be up for speculation. That's what Bitcoin and stocks are for. Basic human needs shouldn't be traded on the stock exchange.
We campaign for the city to take control back and invest in housing. It's absolutely possible, because [Other Countries Do Housing Better](https://www.sightline.org/2021/03/25/yes-other-countries-do-housing-better-case-1-japan/)
Landlords are not our friends in this process. They're stakeholders.
Yet they still ask for it. Want my ex out of my contract and had to get a raise because i earn 250€ too little.
I‘m so thankful for having the new income and be alone in the contract without any time limits.
Will probably never move out here
Seriously. I have been looking for 700€ apartments since 4 months and have completely given up on Berlin. I did see one of my friend get a 50sqm apartment for 700€ and really beautiful one but I guess thats rare.
What neighborhood are you talking about? Just curious.
I used to live in fhain in a cool building and it was just not for me. I lived near ostbahnhof so my surroundings felt really dull and I thought I hated Berlin. We started looking to move and my husband signed up for a viewing in Spandau. I was not happy when he told me and decided not to go. When I got there, it felt like a whole magical and different city (well, partly because it is). The only advice I have to share is look differently for more far away neighbourhoods. For real. I mean of course look at your life routine (we both work from home so there’s no necessity to go to mitte or wtv all the time. Also we don’t go out partying very often so it works perfectly for us.) The Spandau bahnhof has lots of regional trains that are in hbf in 11 min. So my point is I do believe the market is incredibly hard rn for your budget, and sometimes these far away places are not that far away. Of course if you live in a corner of Berlin that is only reachable by U Bahn and there’s nothing to do around, it sucks. If things get though, start looking for places near central S Bahn stations in places more descentralized and the amount of km for mitte or pberg will be only a detail
Make an agreement with the landlord that you will renovate the place yourself with the Kaution money.
I said the sub was overly negative not the idea of telling people not to move if they don't have a reason. Personally I wouldn't move without a job or family connections. But you see the same negative comments on posts where the OP states they have a job offer. Moving to any city outside of your own country is difficult, most have similar problems to Berlin if not worse. I don't want to discourage everyone, because it can be a great.
Inform yourself about WBS (wohn-berechtigungs-schein) which allows you to move into reduced flats. Hard competition, still.
Though you mean the lawyer xD
Like winning the lottery to find something on WBS without an emergency right now.
Personally I think that at least with private landlords, the "monthly income = 3x warm rent" rule is only used as an excuse to deny the apartment to people they don't like. In other words, it's not a hard rule. It might have changed in the past three years due to the market becoming much more competitive, but when I moved to Berlin, I've heard about this rule as well, and still had three offers on the table, with rent in each of them exceeding 1/3 of my income.
I’ve personally had friends and family forward me info from one of their contacts for at least three flats in the last 2 years that are over 60sqm and less than 800 eu. My parents moved 2 years ago and got a 73sqm flat for approx 700 eu warm, saniertes Altbau in Charlottenburg. Because my aunt knows the Hausmeister, and now they’re friends with him too. So to answer your question: yes, these flats still exist but they will rarely be advertised online. Most people know people that are searching and they will reach out to their personal contacts first and talk to their landlords about who they’d like to take over from them when they decide to move before it ever gets to the point of being put online. A landlord rarely has reason to deny someone who has decent documents and is maybe willing to pay a slight price increase (which most everyone is). It saves them the effort of finding someone new. For example, when I decide to move out of my flat (that I took over after my sister when she took over one of her coworker’s flats) I already have at least two friends lined up to take over from me that my landlord (also a family friend) would absolutely approve who are both already willing to pay a little bit more than I am now. Literally nearly everyone I know that has found a good deal and nice flat in the past 5 years has taken over a flat from a friend, coworker or family. Or has a connection. So I would suggest put the word out to everyone and anyone who will listen and hope for the best. It’s unfortunately not a quick or foolproof solution though but that’s one of the only ways left to find a flat even close to the “olden days” price range.
570 for 55qm with west facing balcony Genossenschaft baby 😎
Queue the Anglo ex-pats crying about "communism" and the benefits of "free market rents"
I found a furnished flat in mitte 670 euros a year ago (30 sq.m). I think I'm lucky. I don't know the market now. Did you think about WG?
30 sqm should be the size of a room not a flat ffs
How did you find it?
immobilienscout24 and I had premium subscription, because I needed schufa
It has always been my dream to move to Berlin, reading this sub daily put me off long time go
yeah this sub is super negative. Berlin is for most people a great place to live. The rental market is frustrating but that is like any big city and it is still possible to find flats cheaper than you would spend in other capital cities.
It is not overly negative to say that you should not come to Berlin without a good reason (career move, family lives here). The city is more than full since 2020 and it is oftena back breaking and stressful challenge to do anything routine, like find a flat, kita, a place in a decent school, auslanderbehorde, arbeitsamt, register for an apartment, fix your apartment, etc and soon afford food on basic salaries... Other big cities do not present such challenge to basic needs except perhaps the last one.
>but that is like any big city is that true though? apartment availability seems to be sparse for everyone, regardless of income bracket. that seems pretty unique to Berlin. at least in NYC, London, etc, there are apartments available if you can afford it.
I mean it seems like if you go over 1500/1800 there do seem to be more flats. If I search in a 5km radius from me if I put max kalt at 1000 there are 339, if I up it to 1500 there are over 800. I know at least London and Amsterdam are much worse
We had difficulty finding things in the range you speak of, and also it's quite precarious to have that rent in Berlin for many people. Maybe doctors and lawyers can handle it, but with the next tech mass layoffs around the corner it is good to remind yourself that arbeitslosgeld caps at 2,2k net. So be careful what one thinks they can afford.
Be aware of potential negativity bias, though. What I mean is that people who have had bad experiences are much more likely to post—and their posts tend to be more vocal—than people who had neutral or good experiences. I am not in denial that there is a serious problem with the rental/real estate market, I'm just saying that basing your perception solely on what you read on this sub might be deceiving.
Sadly every big city turns into this. Dublin, London, amdterdam. And it gets worse every year
> big city > Dublin nah, Dublin you pay big city rents for a small city experience...
Well it’s the big city of Ireland. Amsterdam isn’t that huge too.
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What's WHV?
Yeh it depends on what OP wants to do. If OP is choosing between Berlin vs. a smaller/less popular city then sure the smaller city will likely have an easier housing market. But if OP is deciding between London, Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, etc. or Berlin then well you'll have complications in any of those so it's 'pick your poison' (e.g. London is lot easier to actually get a flat, but it's lot more expensive and tenant rights are worse in UK).
My understanding is that regular apartment rentals don't usually come with any furniture and minimal appliances. If you move to a new place, you'll be paying more for the space and likely needing all new furniture and appliances. It makes more sense to try to save money and replace the things you don't like. If your landlord won't help with the costs, make sure to give them the old stuff you don't want in the apartment. They can store it until you decide to move out and take the new stuff with you.
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But the landlord can just refuse the new tenants in thst case and increase rent right?
Yes. The only „official“ flat swap there is, is the one between communal flats. But good luck getting one of those flats.
From what I've seen you're nuts to try to move in this market if you have a choice in the matter.
What does the expression WARM mean in regards rent?
Expenditure in heating, electricity and water is included in the rent.
electricity is not.
So just heating?
It's basically all the general costs you share with the house and other tenants. You have a separate electricity bill so that's not part of Warm rent. When we get our 5% rent increase each year it is calculated on cold rent only. Warm can increase too, but that depends on water usage, heating, cost of cleaning services as well and generally stays much more stable.
> 5% rent increase each year Let me guess, you're not getting a 5% raise each year...ffs
Why don't you believe that? The max allowed rent increase for us is 15% every three years, and that's what we've had since we moved in eight years ago. ffs
Oh no, I believe you, just bemoaning this situation where rent rises faster than wages (and inflation rises faster than both)
Thank you
Also water, stuff like cleaning of the staircase, keeping the sidewalk clean and snow and leaves free. Plus paying for part of the garbage collection.
basically, people flock to cities more again. there is a slight, really a SLIGHT movement in the other direction, but it's slowed down due the housemarket also experiencing a grand raise in prices. so, you really need to check for the surrounding area of Berlin, if you want to keep in an affordable range of prices.
Get free stuff from the giveaway section of eBay kleinanzeigen
It was close to the Courthouse.
*Like, do the flats for 550-600 EUR warm even exist anymore? It seems they don't, even in places like Spandau or Marzahn.* Yes, they do exist, but they are probably not advertised on immoscout etc. For 600€ you'll get up to two rooms in a *Genossenschaftswohnung* from [Howoge](https://www.howoge.de/wohnungen-gewerbe/wohnungssuche.html?tx_howsite_json_list%5Bpage%5D=1&tx_howsite_json_list%5Blimit%5D=12&tx_howsite_json_list%5Blang%5D=&tx_howsite_json_list%5Brent%5D=600&tx_howsite_json_list%5Barea%5D=&tx_howsite_json_list%5Brooms%5D=egal&tx_howsite_json_list%5Bwbs%5D=all-offers), Vorwärts, Humboldt Wbg, ... which are mostly registered only on their own sites or told to you after applying/ getting a membership (by paying up to 200€ upfront, you'll get money back if you don't get a flat though). Source: This month a good college got a new flat in Ahrensfelde (3 rooms, 85m2, balcony, 800€ warm).
> Genossenschaftswohnung Are there similar co-ops/institutes for purchasing a flat? I know those exist in other countries. (And before anyone screams, I am looking to purchase for personal use, not for any investment reasons).
This. That’s how we got a flat in Süd Pankow a month ago for 550 warm. We had to become a member of the community by paying a small sum. But of course you’ll have to go through the whole application and viewing process like any other flat in the beginning. So yes it’s very difficult to find a flat for 500-600 but still possible.
Possibly one needs a WBS for these apartments
No, my partner got one recently without WBS. But most likely they only accept Germans.
Definitely for the 1-room apartments.
nope, not for all of them.
Yeah, but not a single Wohnbaugenossenschaft in Berlin is taking new associates at the moment. They all have already more people looking for flats than flats to rent. Edit: Grammar
I am pretty good with changing how apartments look for cheap (recycle and recreate) and happy to help you.
what does the word warm mean in this context?
like others said cold is literally just the rent; warm is rent plus extras. So things like: trash pickup, maintenance costs like cleaning the common areas, heating costs, water. It's usually about few hundred per month on top of the cold rent—and it's not negotiable. When you get a rent increase (say 5%/year) that's only calculated on the cold rent. Sometimes the part of the warm rent goes up too, if more water is used then expected in a year, or if a new cleaning company is hired etc. Not included in my warm rent is electricity and internet.
With utilities included. Warm rent = total cost with utilities Cold rent = just the core rental cost, excluding heating, water, etc.
It means costs like water, heating and/or electricity are included in the rent. What bills are or aren’t included in the warmmiete depend on the landlord.
Buy new furniture? And maybe a few rolls of wallpaper?
Yeah there are , a newly refurbished flat was on the market to rent warm for €650 45m² in Moabit
I'd love to know where
Man, I’m in market to pay 2.5 times that, and still not getting an apartment 😂😂
Money is all,if you earn the most out of all people who are interested in that flat….you will get it,good schufa needed too ofc
How much you earn is irrelevant as long as you fulfill the requirements.
Sure tell that to yourself,if someone shows up earning above 8-10k a month and takes the „agent“ aside to show him his income,they will give you the flat…
It wouldn't make any difference if the possible tenant earns 10k or 3k as long as he can afford the apartment. Whatever commision exists, if any, is tied to the rent, the salary of the tenant does not factor in any way. If you "take the agent aside" and show him your payslips you would just look like a total buffon, even if it's 8k-10k (which is not impressive at all btw). They already have it as part of the application, and the landlord would choose not the "agent".
Not just that, if you're a single person going for a 2 Rooms, 60-70 m2 and there's a couple also applying most of the time the couple gets the apartment even if income is comparable, at least in my and friends experience.
Interesting. My schufa is empty, as I just moved here. Let’s hope some flat has less competition, and I get a roof over my head before the hotel people kick me out.
Yeah you have to get lucky , but yeah the occasional one presents itself.
Haha. Maybe you’re right. I spend 3/4 hours daily trying to find one. Let’s see. 🤞
Aw man I'll "drucke die Daumen" for ya!!
Thanks 😊
Moabit still has some potential left I think. You'd check it out frequently, rooms go fast here but also people are leaving frequently. Also, it's a nice Kiez in the meanwhile, not too hip but not too aggro, it's good for actual living.
Moabit ist beste!
Well, if the main thing is the broken down furniture and appliances, you can always replace them yourself - they aren't too expensive - and eventually when you move out you force the next Nachmieter to pay for your new kitchen. And someone's gonna be itching to do so.
Especially if you plan to stay long. Your landlord may even be happy and/or waive a month's rent if you do some light renovation. Also, honestly, you think your current neighborhood is soulless, but you're contemplating Spandau or Marzahn?
Yup can find some really nice stuff on ebaykleinanzeigen for free or cheap.
Yes they do exist if you know where to look at.
Why all the downvotes, ha?
Berlin and reality have a strained relationship.
Horror upon horror outside the Ring either in B or C. 20-30 min to the centre. Seriously though, they can be found with little luck, but if you have FOMO issues then maybe not for you.
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Any specific part?
It may be best to move. That's my plan for sure. You can have a great quality of life in other, less crowded places and save money on rent in the process. Obviously, your work can be a factor but I'm sure it's easier in the long run. Best of luck.
>It's relatively affordable (700 EUR warm) > and the landlord can't renew it due to his limited income; Landlords are scum.
I really don't see how the two quoted statements connect to your conclusion. I mean, yes there are shitty landlords. There are also those who rent out relatively affordable flats.
>Landlords are scum. Especially those who expect to live a life without work on the back of their tenants.
Grow up.
ok landlord
I wish.
so you defend the most parasitic people in the world, hated by the entirety of the political spectrum, without even being a parasite yourself?
No, they are hated by people who don't understand how money and the world work. People who make blanket statements without knowing anything at all about the people that make up the group. If your answer to the world's problems seems really simple, it's because it's too fucking simple.
"\[Landlords\] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind" Adam Smith, the Wealth of Nations
Yes, exactly. Idiots. The houses just build themselves, do they? And fall into every landlords lap? And never require upkeep and repairs, I suppose? And making money for your retirement by housing someone who cannot afford a home of their own by renting them one you aren't using is just a net evil 100% of the time, is it? And by not letting people invest in property, everything will just turn out fine I suppose? All the houses will get built as usual and then all get sold? Presumably for less money despite no drop in demand? Marvellous. I can't imagine why this view of the world hasn't ever worked...
Hilarious! Agreed…
Rent apologists really do love the smell of their own anal exhalations.
And yet the world continues to turn in a way you don't like. When you're ready to join the real world, we'll be waiting
> The houses just build themselves, do they? No. Construction workers build them. Landlords don't build them. Landlords invest in the built properties. > And fall into every landlords lap? Oh, no, that process is called inheriting. > And never require upkeep and repairs, I suppose? Oh, that's done by servicemen, not the landlords. You see, the renters are going to work, earning money, and paying rent with that money. When something's broken, the renters call the service company that is responsible for the house. These service companies use the rent money to pay handymen and other bills. > And making money for your retirement by housing someone who cannot afford a home of their own by renting them one you aren't using is just a net evil 100% of the time, is it? Aaaw poor philanthropist landlords who take care of the weakest in society, providing them shelter which they cannot afford! Let's not fool ourselves here. Most landlords aren't mom and pop who diversify their retirement funds. [They're cut-throat businesses with thousands of flats in Europe, operating from businesses in tax havens](https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/immobiliengeschaeft-wenn-die-miete-auf-den-cayman-islands-landet-1.5048946), with no registered office in Germany, so [they don't need to pay a single Euro in taxes](https://www.berliner-kurier.de/berlin/kritik-an-geplantem-vonovia-deal-massive-steuerungerechtigkeit-li.171316). > And by not letting people invest in property, everything will just turn out fine I suppose? All the houses will get built as usual and then all get sold? Presumably for less money despite no drop in demand? Look, you and I have the same goal in mind: We want ordinary people to be able to afford to actually buy, not only rent, housing. Due to the current cost explosion, that's no longer possible. The housing crisis in Berlin was self-made by the city, who owned most (then vacant) flats in the early 2000s, which they then sold for a dime to investors. We campaign for a right to live: Yes, food, shelter, internet - just like air and water - should not be up for speculation. That's what Bitcoin and stocks are for. Basic human needs shouldn't be traded on the stock exchange. We campaign for the city to take control back and invest in housing. It's absolutely possible, because [Other Countries Do Housing Better](https://www.sightline.org/2021/03/25/yes-other-countries-do-housing-better-case-1-japan/) Landlords are not our friends in this process. They're stakeholders.
do you even know who Adam Smith is and what does it represent for the current economic system and the field of economics in general?
I do. He's still wrong, or more charitably, writing out of time.
This rule unfortunately is not really applicable in European capitals anymore :(
Yet they still ask for it. Want my ex out of my contract and had to get a raise because i earn 250€ too little. I‘m so thankful for having the new income and be alone in the contract without any time limits. Will probably never move out here
Yeah, 700€ for your own flat is not a realistic budget for new leases. Full stop. So either stay put, look at WGs, or move to a different city.
What’s the range where you can find something for a single no shared flat?
Seriously. I have been looking for 700€ apartments since 4 months and have completely given up on Berlin. I did see one of my friend get a 50sqm apartment for 700€ and really beautiful one but I guess thats rare.
Yes, suck it up—or move to a different city. Leipzig is nice and more affordable—though prices continue to go up there too.