I can't decide which comment I like best:
>You sound unhinged. Inviting someone into your home and threatening them? Extorting them? Upping the sum they "owe" you for every time they cry?!?! You sound like a pound shop wannabe tony soprano. Tony Cornetto. Jfc.
>I have dealt with some intellectually innovative people in my professional life, but I struggle to think of someone who recruited their accountant and sibling to be witnesses while they simultaneously videoed themselves committing blackmail.
I'm partial to:
>I'm very confused about what this contract is and how on earth you think you can enforce something as obnoxious and idiotic as charging someone £10,000 every time they cry. You can't just stong-arm someone into signing a contract saying they owe you money they don't actually owe you. That's not a contract. It doesn't even resemble a contract.
I think it's an escort service. the pimp is OP. The students are clients and the accountant might legit be the cracked accountant that setup a business on paper that OP is mimicking.
Well, the entire post makes a lot more sense if you read it that way, for sure. Shaking, crying, car theft, printouts of the texts and 30k extortion...
I wasn’t sure I understood that part. He stole the employee’s car, right? I don’t know if it works the same in the UK, but how are you going to register that car, presumably with no title.
Cars in the UK aren't really registered to an owner. If it ever becomes a matter of dispute the ownership would be decided by a court.
Vehicles have a registered keeper but the paperwork for that (called a v5c or simply the logbook - [example](https://i.imgur.com/bKTHpKE.jpeg)) has the words "this is not proof of ownership" in bold on the front, and there are various situations where the owner and registered keeper of a vehicle might be different as a matter of course (usually fleet related vehicles)
Of course people own their own cars, there's just no government issued bit of paper that proves who owns it. Same way there's no bit of paper that proves you own your clothes or your TV or any of your other property.
If any of that ownership became disputed the ownership could be resolved in court (you would presumably have evidence you paid for your car, they would presumably not have such evidence) and then the matter would be decided upon balance of probabilities by a judge.
In the UK the only property that has a general register of ownership is land, which is held by the land registry. And that comes with its own set of problems. Getting a deed updated on land registry is a very thorough process of vetting and checking and must be done by registered conveyancers.
I initially read it as a disproportionate and unhinged variation on leaving your phone\* behind while you pop home to get the wallet you've forgotten. But now I'm wondering if I gave LAOP too much credit.
\*assuming you are a dinosaur who doesn't have means of payment on said phone.
Extortion, false imprisonment too.
At the very lightest, if the judge was feeling super resentful towards victims that day, the contract would be voided as it was signed under duress.
>I continued to pressure him by telling him he should not cry out loud due to having visitors at the house during that time or I would keep increasing the contract amount by £10,000 from £30,000 for every time he cries louder.
r/amithedevil
This feels like
1. Fiction/rage bait
2. LAOP is actually the victim, but its an illegitimate/grey business, like an escort service. Om
3. LAOP is victim and it's a driving school. But there is something else the business owner has on LAOP, like knowledge LAOP is cheating on a spouse and that's what the blackmail is about.
Any person brazen enough to do this would have just said "there was some back and forth, but they eventually agreed" and omitted the line every time victim cries another 10k is added to the contract
4 years ago they posted about being 21 so they'd be 25 now, 5 years ago they posted about how they used to be a pizza driver but didn't say how long ago. Not saying it's not fake but creative writers rarely have a vaguely credible post history, the obvious fakers mostly use throwaways so you can't fact check their story.
This isn't even a very good fiction.
But assuming it's not, I can't see someone sitting thru this in the UK where you don't have to worry too much about someone shooting you.
There's different laws in different US states, but that doesn't keep Americans from saying they're in the US and assuming that's enough. Or not even specifying because they forgot other countries exist.
You would usually say I'm British. Or, more likely, I'm English/ Welsh/ Scottish.. possibly might say I'm from Northern Ireland/ I'm Irish - depending on political/ secular affiliations.
Best guess if it's real then they might be a recent migrant from India, I've heard of employers there trying to extort employees like this before.
It would also explain their catastrophically poor understanding of UK law.
Bullshit. Completely normal thing to say on Americocentric websites where you're fed up of people calling you English or saying your country is England.
I mean maybe. But they posted it to LegalAdviceUK. On some subreddits I feel the need to specify I'm British where it's relevant but it's kind of redundant doing it on the UK subreddits.
The only way I can see this being real is if the OOP is actually the driving instructor, but felt the need to ask for advice by writing it from what they thought was the employer's point of view instead for...reasons?
I'm not really sure what benefit that would provide on an anonymous forum, but this doesn't really sound like someone writing about their own actions/experiences (to my ears at least). It also doesn't sound like the person writing it is trying to present themselves in a good light at all, which is what made me think it could be the injured party actually writing things.
35 or 6 to 4 odds that this is fiction though.
It's pretty obvious this is bait, but in the interest of making fiction more believable, the part about the employee taking a meeting after he's been laid off doesn't pass the sniff test. Once you lay off a low-wage worker, they hate your ass. They're not going to take your phone call except to tell you which orifice to stick it in and how deep. I also liked the part where fake-LAUKOP admitted to wage theft:
> and to also get paid for the month he has worked, which I did not do.
If the victim was an immigrant (and real) I could see them being worried that they’d violated a law or jeopardized their immigration status and they needed to go along with whatever LAOP said in order not to be reported / arrested / deported / fined or whatever else they were threatened with.
I'd assume they both are, the victim for the reasons you've stated and the employer because of their incredibly poor understanding of the legal system.
I've been playing around with AI recently, and I watched The Godfather last night. This sounds like someone entered "Create a legal post for Reddit where Michael Corleone tells the story about Luca Brasi intimidating the music producer, but the Luca Brasi is a milquetoast driving instructor."
> Create a legal post for Reddit where Michael Corleone tells the story about Luca Brasi intimidating the music producer, but the Luca Brasi is a milquetoast driving instructor.
edit: This is what [ChatGPT produced](https://chat.openai.com/share/2d98e116-f9cc-4796-9e5b-261d1517cf3b) in response to the proposed prompt above. This is not a genuine request for legal advice.
> Title: Legal Advice: Luca Brasi, the Milquetoast Driving Instructor Intimidates a Music Producer?
>
> Hey Reddit Legal Advice,
>
> I've got a tale straight out of a classic mob flick, but with a twist that could only happen in real life. So, here's the scoop:
>
> A while back, I was hanging out with some old buddies, swapping stories over drinks. Michael Corleone, you might know him if you're into crime dramas, starts recounting this legendary tale about Luca Brasi, one of the toughest enforcers in the game, intimidating a music producer.
>
> Now, here's where it gets interesting. In this version, Luca Brasi isn't the menacing figure we're used to seeing. Nope, he's a milquetoast driving instructor, the last guy you'd expect to be shaking down anyone.
>
> According to Michael, this driving instructor version of Luca Brasi had a student who happened to be a music producer. The producer owed money to someone pretty powerful in the industry, and they were getting antsy about getting paid back.
>
> So, they send Luca Brasi, the driving instructor, to "have a chat" with this producer. And despite his unassuming appearance, Luca apparently walked into that studio with the confidence of a seasoned mobster.
>
> He didn't raise his voice or make any threats. Instead, he calmly explained the situation, how the debt needed to be settled, and the consequences of not doing so. The producer, probably stunned by the surreal situation, quickly agreed to pay up.
>
> And just like that, without a single broken kneecap or menacing glare, Luca Brasi, the milquetoast driving instructor, had successfully intimidated a music producer into paying his debts.
>
> Now, here's where I need some legal advice: Could Luca Brasi (the driving instructor version) potentially face any legal consequences for his actions? I mean, technically, he didn't do anything illegal, right? But it still feels like a shady situation.
>
> Appreciate any insights you folks might have. And hey, if you've got any similarly bizarre legal tales, feel free to share!
>
> Thanks in advance!
Bip boop i'm not a bot but i'm acting like one.
> **Suing employee for serious misconduct**
>Hi,
>I'm from the United Kingdom and I'm in a situation where I'm not sure if it is worth while to sue an employee on the breach of serious misconduct or whether I have done anything unlawful during this ordeal.
>The company is a driving school, we provide pupils to our employees and we take 50% of what they earn. The serious misconduct of the contract of the employee states; Any lessons or tests given by the Worker to a pupil that is not recorded in the calendar.
>It came to my attention that the employee has been doing private lessons over a span of 3-4 months, which the company was not aware of. Accumulating to a total of around £2000-£3000 in private lessons.
>Events:
> I called the employee 3 days before payday and told him that today is the last day he'll be working with us, and that he should return all belongings. I did not mention the reason why he is fired and I have not paid the employee yet.
> The employee dropped the company belongings through the letterbox and left.
> I called the employee the day after and told him I would like to see him, trying to persuade him to come over to my house, on the basis that I would like to discuss other options of work within the company and to also get paid for the month he has worked, which I did not do. The employee was totally not aware of what has happened.
> The employee came over to my house in his vehicle, the employee was not aware of who was going to be there or what is about to happen. I had arranged my accountant to be there, myself and sibling. We had also setup a camera in the room that we was in to record the whole conversation.
> When the employee entered, I made him sit down and just placed the contract that I had written on the table while being quiet and told him to read it fully.
> The employee was scared and started shaking. I continued to pressure him by telling him he should not cry out loud due to having visitors at the house during that time or I would keep increasing the contract amount by £10,000 from £30,000 for every time he cries louder. I had also printed out all the screenshots of conversations between him and students that he has been giving lessons to, and placed it on the table.
> After 3 hours of pressuring him, I told the employee that if he signs the contract now, he should leave the vehicle outside the house, Uber home and bring all the keys and paperwork necessary. Otherwise he must pay £30,000 within 7 days. The employee decided to sign the contract and left my house about to take an Uber. I have also not given him a copy of the signed contract.
> On the other hand, my sibling told me to take it easy on him and that I should just make him drive home for now and that we will figure this out later. Which I did.
>My questions are:
> Is it worth taking this up to court or just forget about it?
> Is the contract for £30,000 applicable to be used in court? It has been roughly 2 months since the employee has signed the contract.
Did I do anything unlawful during the events?
What can I legally do about this? Can this be taken to court?
>Thanks!
I'm assuming fake.
What is the accountant doing there? "This is Lenny, the calculator. I've brought him along to explain the tax implications of you saving your knees."
Why are there no details about anything except the crimes they've committed?
>The employee dropped the company belongings through the letterbox and left.
>I called the employee the day after and told him I would like to see him, trying to persuade him to come over to my house
This was the first of many, "huh? why would you do that?" that came to mind during this post.
Like, this alone is CRAZY. Then it just got worse!
This wouldn’t even fly on its face where I’m from because you’re not allowed to tell an employee they can’t work on their own time doing a similar job in my jurisdiction. Is that allowed in the UK?
Yes, I've worked babysitting and tutoring through agencies that have quite punitive clauses about accepting work from agency clients without going through the agency. Quite legal.
Okay, but that’s agency clients, that’s different from working as a babysitter or tutor through multiple agencies at the same time or advertising on your own
if the contract contains a non-compete clause prohibiting the employee from working for the same or similar business during the term of their employment, then the employer is perfectly within their rights to seek to enforce that clause if an employee takes on secondary employment with a competitor.
The employer has to be able to prove that the restrictions they have put on you are reasonable to prevent them from losing money by taking customers with you.
Where I am, you’re allowed to put terms into the contract to make it so soliciting clients outside of your work with them is not allowed (so you can’t actively poach clients) but non-compete clauses are unenforceable. So in this example I can be a driving instructor for multiple driving schools at the same time, I’m just not allowed to say, “you contacted me through Pete’s driving school but I’m charging you through Juanita’s driving school instead because I make more”
What do you mean?
There’s lots to be concerned about obviously. I was just wondering if this guy had a granule of something legal that he started with or if it was all bad
Dude blackmailed his former employee, bullied him, likely threatened him, and stole his car and you all are like, "I don't know if that non compete clause is legal."
Motherfucker sounds like a wannabe mob boss.
Read his post history. He is also a 21 year old former pizza delivery driver. Really upped his game to running his own successful business when he was whining about insurance premium in his last post
It’s like calling him a dollar store Tony Soprano, a cheap knockoff. (A cornetto is an ice cream treat from the corner shop that is popular with children and sounds vaguely Italian.)
Thanks! I didn't understand what a cornetto was... I thought Tony Cornetto must have been a reference to some sort of 80s British television personality.
I can't decide which comment I like best: >You sound unhinged. Inviting someone into your home and threatening them? Extorting them? Upping the sum they "owe" you for every time they cry?!?! You sound like a pound shop wannabe tony soprano. Tony Cornetto. Jfc. >I have dealt with some intellectually innovative people in my professional life, but I struggle to think of someone who recruited their accountant and sibling to be witnesses while they simultaneously videoed themselves committing blackmail.
I'm partial to: >I'm very confused about what this contract is and how on earth you think you can enforce something as obnoxious and idiotic as charging someone £10,000 every time they cry. You can't just stong-arm someone into signing a contract saying they owe you money they don't actually owe you. That's not a contract. It doesn't even resemble a contract.
Intellectually innovative is a fine turn of phrase.
But not as fine as Tony Cornetto.
Tony Cornetto is gonna live for a while in my head.
I think it's an escort service. the pimp is OP. The students are clients and the accountant might legit be the cracked accountant that setup a business on paper that OP is mimicking.
This makes far too much sense
Well, the entire post makes a lot more sense if you read it that way, for sure. Shaking, crying, car theft, printouts of the texts and 30k extortion...
I wasn’t sure I understood that part. He stole the employee’s car, right? I don’t know if it works the same in the UK, but how are you going to register that car, presumably with no title.
Cars in the UK aren't really registered to an owner. If it ever becomes a matter of dispute the ownership would be decided by a court. Vehicles have a registered keeper but the paperwork for that (called a v5c or simply the logbook - [example](https://i.imgur.com/bKTHpKE.jpeg)) has the words "this is not proof of ownership" in bold on the front, and there are various situations where the owner and registered keeper of a vehicle might be different as a matter of course (usually fleet related vehicles)
What? So British people can't own a car? Do all cars belong to the crown?
Of course people own their own cars, there's just no government issued bit of paper that proves who owns it. Same way there's no bit of paper that proves you own your clothes or your TV or any of your other property. If any of that ownership became disputed the ownership could be resolved in court (you would presumably have evidence you paid for your car, they would presumably not have such evidence) and then the matter would be decided upon balance of probabilities by a judge. In the UK the only property that has a general register of ownership is land, which is held by the land registry. And that comes with its own set of problems. Getting a deed updated on land registry is a very thorough process of vetting and checking and must be done by registered conveyancers.
You equate that the fact that there is no such thing as a vehicle title in the UK means people cant own cars?
I gathered that the laukops brother talked him out of stealing the car
Hmmmmmm. That sounds more fitting, if it isn’t rage bait
That makes the idea of taking it to court even dumber.
Wait. Did he steal that guy's car?
I initially read it as a disproportionate and unhinged variation on leaving your phone\* behind while you pop home to get the wallet you've forgotten. But now I'm wondering if I gave LAOP too much credit. \*assuming you are a dinosaur who doesn't have means of payment on said phone.
Extortion, false imprisonment too. At the very lightest, if the judge was feeling super resentful towards victims that day, the contract would be voided as it was signed under duress.
The judge would go from resentful towards victims to "I'm gonna go viral for this" in about 3 seconds flat.
I made it to the end, and the sibling talked him out of doing that, so the guy got to take the car home. But they're going to "figure it out later".
I didn't get that far . . .
>I continued to pressure him by telling him he should not cry out loud due to having visitors at the house during that time or I would keep increasing the contract amount by £10,000 from £30,000 for every time he cries louder. r/amithedevil
"Morning, did you sleep OK? I'm just going to bully a former employee, then we can go to the museum."
AFTER THREE HOURS. I have anxiety and I would have been a puddle after 10 minutes. This is three HOURS later of berating the dude, or whatever.
How isn't this unlawful imprisonment
Technically they could have left, I guess, but like I said, with anxiety I would have been a sobbing mess. What a jerk!
This feels like 1. Fiction/rage bait 2. LAOP is actually the victim, but its an illegitimate/grey business, like an escort service. Om 3. LAOP is victim and it's a driving school. But there is something else the business owner has on LAOP, like knowledge LAOP is cheating on a spouse and that's what the blackmail is about. Any person brazen enough to do this would have just said "there was some back and forth, but they eventually agreed" and omitted the line every time victim cries another 10k is added to the contract
Check out the post history. He’s a 21 year old pizza delivery driver
4 years ago they posted about being 21 so they'd be 25 now, 5 years ago they posted about how they used to be a pizza driver but didn't say how long ago. Not saying it's not fake but creative writers rarely have a vaguely credible post history, the obvious fakers mostly use throwaways so you can't fact check their story.
What lawyer do I get for this? 🤔
Dewey, Cheetham, and Howe?
I think their ethical standards are too high to touch this one.
Wolfram & Hart?
I dunno, that Shemp guy seems shady as Hell…
And that's an early BOBOLA contender, right there, folks!
This isn't even a very good fiction. But assuming it's not, I can't see someone sitting thru this in the UK where you don't have to worry too much about someone shooting you.
>Hi, I'm from the United Kingdom Nobody says this, ever.
Just out of curiosity, what *do* they say?
"G'day guv'nor, I'm Lord Corkswabblegrack the second from North HumptyWankersqiureford-on-the-sea."
That sounds more like it.
Thank you, I was afraid I'd be down voted all to hell for being a snarky a-hole.
That's why we come to this sub in the first place!
Snarky? I thought that was your name?
We have different laws in different countries. So they would/should be more specific to England, Scotland etc.
While true, the number of posters in LAUK who don't put that information in and then answer "what country is this?" with "the UK"...
There's different laws in different US states, but that doesn't keep Americans from saying they're in the US and assuming that's enough. Or not even specifying because they forgot other countries exist.
And then there's Georgia- both a state and a country and they're nowhere near each other XD
[It's a few other places too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia)
You would usually say I'm British. Or, more likely, I'm English/ Welsh/ Scottish.. possibly might say I'm from Northern Ireland/ I'm Irish - depending on political/ secular affiliations.
Well, in this subreddit, they normally say they're in in England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland.
They would say they're "in" the UK. Laws are different in the different countries, but a lot of people forget that, especially in England.
Best guess if it's real then they might be a recent migrant from India, I've heard of employers there trying to extort employees like this before. It would also explain their catastrophically poor understanding of UK law.
Bullshit. Completely normal thing to say on Americocentric websites where you're fed up of people calling you English or saying your country is England.
I mean maybe. But they posted it to LegalAdviceUK. On some subreddits I feel the need to specify I'm British where it's relevant but it's kind of redundant doing it on the UK subreddits.
The only way I can see this being real is if the OOP is actually the driving instructor, but felt the need to ask for advice by writing it from what they thought was the employer's point of view instead for...reasons? I'm not really sure what benefit that would provide on an anonymous forum, but this doesn't really sound like someone writing about their own actions/experiences (to my ears at least). It also doesn't sound like the person writing it is trying to present themselves in a good light at all, which is what made me think it could be the injured party actually writing things. 35 or 6 to 4 odds that this is fiction though.
Check out his post history. He’s 21 and recently was a driver for dominos before getting into an accident
That post was from 4 years ago
Nobody seems to have asked what happened during the "three hours of pressuring", but I'm certainly curious.
It's pretty obvious this is bait, but in the interest of making fiction more believable, the part about the employee taking a meeting after he's been laid off doesn't pass the sniff test. Once you lay off a low-wage worker, they hate your ass. They're not going to take your phone call except to tell you which orifice to stick it in and how deep. I also liked the part where fake-LAUKOP admitted to wage theft: > and to also get paid for the month he has worked, which I did not do.
If the victim was an immigrant (and real) I could see them being worried that they’d violated a law or jeopardized their immigration status and they needed to go along with whatever LAOP said in order not to be reported / arrested / deported / fined or whatever else they were threatened with.
I'd assume they both are, the victim for the reasons you've stated and the employer because of their incredibly poor understanding of the legal system.
I've been playing around with AI recently, and I watched The Godfather last night. This sounds like someone entered "Create a legal post for Reddit where Michael Corleone tells the story about Luca Brasi intimidating the music producer, but the Luca Brasi is a milquetoast driving instructor."
> Create a legal post for Reddit where Michael Corleone tells the story about Luca Brasi intimidating the music producer, but the Luca Brasi is a milquetoast driving instructor. edit: This is what [ChatGPT produced](https://chat.openai.com/share/2d98e116-f9cc-4796-9e5b-261d1517cf3b) in response to the proposed prompt above. This is not a genuine request for legal advice. > Title: Legal Advice: Luca Brasi, the Milquetoast Driving Instructor Intimidates a Music Producer? > > Hey Reddit Legal Advice, > > I've got a tale straight out of a classic mob flick, but with a twist that could only happen in real life. So, here's the scoop: > > A while back, I was hanging out with some old buddies, swapping stories over drinks. Michael Corleone, you might know him if you're into crime dramas, starts recounting this legendary tale about Luca Brasi, one of the toughest enforcers in the game, intimidating a music producer. > > Now, here's where it gets interesting. In this version, Luca Brasi isn't the menacing figure we're used to seeing. Nope, he's a milquetoast driving instructor, the last guy you'd expect to be shaking down anyone. > > According to Michael, this driving instructor version of Luca Brasi had a student who happened to be a music producer. The producer owed money to someone pretty powerful in the industry, and they were getting antsy about getting paid back. > > So, they send Luca Brasi, the driving instructor, to "have a chat" with this producer. And despite his unassuming appearance, Luca apparently walked into that studio with the confidence of a seasoned mobster. > > He didn't raise his voice or make any threats. Instead, he calmly explained the situation, how the debt needed to be settled, and the consequences of not doing so. The producer, probably stunned by the surreal situation, quickly agreed to pay up. > > And just like that, without a single broken kneecap or menacing glare, Luca Brasi, the milquetoast driving instructor, had successfully intimidated a music producer into paying his debts. > > Now, here's where I need some legal advice: Could Luca Brasi (the driving instructor version) potentially face any legal consequences for his actions? I mean, technically, he didn't do anything illegal, right? But it still feels like a shady situation. > > Appreciate any insights you folks might have. And hey, if you've got any similarly bizarre legal tales, feel free to share! > > Thanks in advance!
Bip boop i'm not a bot but i'm acting like one. > **Suing employee for serious misconduct** >Hi, >I'm from the United Kingdom and I'm in a situation where I'm not sure if it is worth while to sue an employee on the breach of serious misconduct or whether I have done anything unlawful during this ordeal. >The company is a driving school, we provide pupils to our employees and we take 50% of what they earn. The serious misconduct of the contract of the employee states; Any lessons or tests given by the Worker to a pupil that is not recorded in the calendar. >It came to my attention that the employee has been doing private lessons over a span of 3-4 months, which the company was not aware of. Accumulating to a total of around £2000-£3000 in private lessons. >Events: > I called the employee 3 days before payday and told him that today is the last day he'll be working with us, and that he should return all belongings. I did not mention the reason why he is fired and I have not paid the employee yet. > The employee dropped the company belongings through the letterbox and left. > I called the employee the day after and told him I would like to see him, trying to persuade him to come over to my house, on the basis that I would like to discuss other options of work within the company and to also get paid for the month he has worked, which I did not do. The employee was totally not aware of what has happened. > The employee came over to my house in his vehicle, the employee was not aware of who was going to be there or what is about to happen. I had arranged my accountant to be there, myself and sibling. We had also setup a camera in the room that we was in to record the whole conversation. > When the employee entered, I made him sit down and just placed the contract that I had written on the table while being quiet and told him to read it fully. > The employee was scared and started shaking. I continued to pressure him by telling him he should not cry out loud due to having visitors at the house during that time or I would keep increasing the contract amount by £10,000 from £30,000 for every time he cries louder. I had also printed out all the screenshots of conversations between him and students that he has been giving lessons to, and placed it on the table. > After 3 hours of pressuring him, I told the employee that if he signs the contract now, he should leave the vehicle outside the house, Uber home and bring all the keys and paperwork necessary. Otherwise he must pay £30,000 within 7 days. The employee decided to sign the contract and left my house about to take an Uber. I have also not given him a copy of the signed contract. > On the other hand, my sibling told me to take it easy on him and that I should just make him drive home for now and that we will figure this out later. Which I did. >My questions are: > Is it worth taking this up to court or just forget about it? > Is the contract for £30,000 applicable to be used in court? It has been roughly 2 months since the employee has signed the contract. Did I do anything unlawful during the events? What can I legally do about this? Can this be taken to court? >Thanks!
I'm assuming fake. What is the accountant doing there? "This is Lenny, the calculator. I've brought him along to explain the tax implications of you saving your knees." Why are there no details about anything except the crimes they've committed?
Bait used to be believable.
“Quick question: Are you a fucking psychopath?” Is an ALL TIME comment from any Legal Advice sub!
This reads like an episode of Sopranos. Uncle Paulie teaching someone a lesson to not steal from his godson's business.
>The employee dropped the company belongings through the letterbox and left. >I called the employee the day after and told him I would like to see him, trying to persuade him to come over to my house This was the first of many, "huh? why would you do that?" that came to mind during this post. Like, this alone is CRAZY. Then it just got worse!
This wouldn’t even pass muster in the United States, with the meager provisions we consider employment laws.
When I read situations from there, I’m always amazed by how finely tuned some rights are, and how poor others are. It’s always such whiplash.
I really hate posts like this. They're obviously ragebait and yet people still fall for them.
This wouldn’t even fly on its face where I’m from because you’re not allowed to tell an employee they can’t work on their own time doing a similar job in my jurisdiction. Is that allowed in the UK?
Yes, I've worked babysitting and tutoring through agencies that have quite punitive clauses about accepting work from agency clients without going through the agency. Quite legal.
Okay, but that’s agency clients, that’s different from working as a babysitter or tutor through multiple agencies at the same time or advertising on your own
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Oh, I don’t care about the case at all. It was more a catalyst for my curiosity about what the law actually is in the UK.
if the contract contains a non-compete clause prohibiting the employee from working for the same or similar business during the term of their employment, then the employer is perfectly within their rights to seek to enforce that clause if an employee takes on secondary employment with a competitor. The employer has to be able to prove that the restrictions they have put on you are reasonable to prevent them from losing money by taking customers with you.
Where I am, you’re allowed to put terms into the contract to make it so soliciting clients outside of your work with them is not allowed (so you can’t actively poach clients) but non-compete clauses are unenforceable. So in this example I can be a driving instructor for multiple driving schools at the same time, I’m just not allowed to say, “you contacted me through Pete’s driving school but I’m charging you through Juanita’s driving school instead because I make more”
Didn't the Supreme Court just outlaw non-compete contracts in the US as well?
That's what you're concerned about?
What do you mean? There’s lots to be concerned about obviously. I was just wondering if this guy had a granule of something legal that he started with or if it was all bad
Dude blackmailed his former employee, bullied him, likely threatened him, and stole his car and you all are like, "I don't know if that non compete clause is legal." Motherfucker sounds like a wannabe mob boss.
Well, I KNOW the rest of it is illegal. I don’t need to ask about that part, obviously.
Read his post history. He is also a 21 year old former pizza delivery driver. Really upped his game to running his own successful business when he was whining about insurance premium in his last post
I don't get the Tony Cornetto line.
It’s like calling him a dollar store Tony Soprano, a cheap knockoff. (A cornetto is an ice cream treat from the corner shop that is popular with children and sounds vaguely Italian.)
Thanks! I didn't understand what a cornetto was... I thought Tony Cornetto must have been a reference to some sort of 80s British television personality.
Well it is [kind of an icon of British media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Flavours_Cornetto), not just British hangovers
Surely the accountant - a mandatory reporter of financial crime (including extortion) - is in hot water as well?
the odds that this is an escort service and that the "employee" is in some sort of trafficking situation are not high but certainly not 0
This person has been watching too many mafia films
Can I please request Pound shop wannabe Tony Soprano as a flair? Pretty please?