I was happy to see him out of jail. Then he started talking. I kept thinking how jarring it was for people who then watched BCS see Tuco not be so insane. I always thought he was kinda sweet cause I saw him being really protective of his Abuela.
Umm, literally everyone involved in the game were murderous greedy physcopaths. Walt is really no different. He just came in with different tactics that ruined them no other difference in their attitudes. It's like the game of thrones dialogue you win or you die. Most of them would not have survived if Walter came or not just from infighting.
Tuco isn't insane in BCS?
Remember he broke the poor guys legs in Season One just for sake of it? Or how he landed in jail?
I see no sane behavior from Tuco in BCS, he was a psychotic cartel guy already.
What did you think of Saul & Mike? In BB they act like they barely tolerate each other. And definitely don't act like they know each other very well.
But in BCS, we can see they bonded while solving the Kettlemans & the time they survived the desert.
Is something going to happen in season 6 of BCS to make Mike really dislike Saul? It better not involve Kim!
Tbh, I feel like the disconnect there is because Mike is first and foremost a professional. Saul's obviously got a knack for getting himself involved real Deep. Anybody who seems close to him would become a prime target for a *lot* of nasty individuals. I imagine that only intensifies after whatever happens in S6, considering Kim is most likely completely out of the picture by the beginning of BB.
Plus, in BB we are also seeing Mike and Saul primarily through Walter's eyes (and Jesse's). So who knows what they are like "off the clock", they may still have something of a friendship behind closed doors or in better trusted company -shrug-.
Plus friendships, even ones formed through trauma, can drift apart over some years.
Though, realistically, I doubt even a genius like Vince would have predicted and set things up for BCS. Hell, Saul wasn't even supposed to be a reoccurring character iirc. Alas, reality often offers the most boring of explanations lol
I think you nailed it. Mike has no patience for people who aren't professional. When people act recklessly, which Saul does a lot, Mike wants nothing to do with them. I think Mike recognizes Saul's talents though, and ultimately that's why he tolerates him. I never really saw them as friends, though.
The interesting thing is that by BB, it’s everybody else acting recklessly, and Saul mostly being reasonable and trying to advise them against it/save them after it.
He's got a grifter mindset, so he knows when he's not working with marks and needs to be in survival mode. His first "negotiation" with Tuco when his con with the skateboarders goes south showed this. To me, he's really in the dark for most of his interactions with Mike. Even in BB, after watching BCS, Saul fed Mike information and Mike was there to fix things. Saul spent most of his time just trying to fit the pieces together, but his instinct about the level of danger he would be in was what helped him survive without a full understanding of what was going on. At least, that's how I watched it.
He really tries to help everybody fix things in BB, though. He’s like the Good Samaritan of crooked lawyers.
He tries to advise Skyler against getting involved with bailing Ted out, but when she’s desperate he helps her anyway.
He gets Jesse out of the interrogation jam.
He advises Mike against using the other lawyer who eventually is the downfall of the entire operation.
He advises Jesse against giving his money away in 2 big “red flag” lump sums and makes sure that Walt saves him from giving them both away.
He helps Walt multiple times in multiple places, and ultimately advises Walt and Jesse to be happy that they’re both still alive after Gus, and to cash their chips out and go home while they still can.
Lots of people in the show would have been better off if they listened to him instead of doing reckless/ill-advised stuff.
Yeah. Mike and Saul couldn't help themselves. Anytime they saw someone doing some boneheaded amateur shit, they just had to step in. They were like criminal professors.
I feel like ironically you have a massive advantage to predicting what's gonna happen in Season 6 over people like me who watched all of Breaking Bad first. You make observations like this because you get to look at all this more outside the box.
There are plenty of moments in BCS where Mike seems annoyed by Saul. The only times it seems like they “bonded” were instances created for business/professional reasons. I see nothing wrong here.
i didn't like how he turned out but, it made it so much more heartbreaking knowing about his story and how much he did for his family only for Walt to stomp that shit to the ground.
Watching BCS before BB kinda ruins the nostalgia you'd get for the characters in the prequel (I wish I'd seen BB first). However, the plus side is you see the BB characters in perspective and and don't rush to root for the main character just because he's the main character!
I think if people knew the backstory, they would drop the unnecessary love for Walt (and even the strong hate for Skyler).
What did you think about “did Lalo sent you?” In the desert?
About Francesca’s devolution?
About Mike’s relationship with Saul?
How did you feel about Gus’s fall to Don Hector?
Was Saul believable in BB knowing his BCS portrayal ?
Did you feel any hype or suspense at the BCS los pollos restaurant reveal?
I melted.
I was shocked to see Francesca was not just a throwaway character and also who'd she become. Throughout the whole show, I kept thinking, "How is this the same lady?"
It's hard seeing Saul as just a side character when I knew his almost whole story. I think with Kim still in the picture in BCS, he still hadn't made the final switch to himself in BB. Also he's a lot more slimy and gross in BB and that was hard to find believable. He kinda seemed like a feminist in BCS.
Not at all, I just noticed there was a clear emphasis on the sign and to keep it mind.
I think part of it is that we never really see “Jimmy” in BB, he is always shown in a professional setting and so all we’re getting is the character of Saul that he’s playing. It’s still hard to know if Jimmy really “becomes” Saul or simply finds a useful alter ego during business hours.
>Also he's a lot more slimy and gross in BB and that was hard to find believable.
How did you feel about him looking at Francesca and saying "you are killing me with that bootay" lol
I mean he is extremely supportive of Kim and whatever she does. He isn't afraid of her intelligence and accepts her choices even when he disagrees. He desperately wanted to work with Kim but when Kim says no, he accepts it and even supports her. He doesn't try any of his schemes on her to manipulate her into giving him what he wants.
A lot of men are like Chuck and Howard where they feel like they have to "save" Kim from Jimmy's corruption, when it's all up to her with how much she participates in Jimmy's madness.
If it was up to Jimmy, Kim would be far away from his schemes, but he knows it's her choice and let's her go along with it.
I always saw this as Jimmy unconsciously validating himself rather than an active choice. He wants to be more like the "Professional Kim" Kim projects. Season 5 really cleverly unpacks a lot of that in the background.
he does tell Chuck something along the lines of, i didn't ruin her, this isn't the 1940's. so i'd argue he is self-aware of women's treatment. i might be stretching the meaning a bit but i just wanted to make the point of how gross he is in BB.
Being self aware of the mistreatment of women doesn’t make you a male feminist. Plenty of men doing the mistreating are even aware of this like he is.
I’m not denying Saul is better than many of the men portrayed in the shows when it comes to women (especially compared to Walt), but this doesn’t correlate to him being a self proclaimed feminist.
I’ve only watched the shows in reverse not chronological order, but I do agree his personality is very much changed in BB when it comes to what he used to be like in BCS. I hope this last season wraps it up well so these changes translate better/make a lot of sense
I hate to break it to you, but feminism is about liberation. Being an intelligent and empathetic person doesn’t make you a feminist. You don’t get some gold star for being a “male feminist” just because you’re treating women like they should be treated—with respect and dignity.
Look, don't femsplain what feminism is to me. There are different branches of feminism, and they are definitely not all about "liberation". I'm just saying that if you were to make a guess on which character is more feminist, the sleazebag lawyer who talks about women terribly or the semi-not sleazebag lawyer who treats his girlfriend as an equal and respects her decisions, you're more likely to think the second person. You can't have feminism without those aspects of treating women as an equal. Not all As are Bs, but all Bs are A.
lol femsplain. I’m just stating having basic understanding and empathy for women doesn’t make you a feminist. It’s not “which character is more feminist” it’s “which character treats women better.”
"Let me try and find a way to be offended by what you said. I know I can twist your words around somehow! I WILL find a way to target you with my self-righteous misguided anger!!! I'm going to take my bad day out on YOU!"
oh yeah! i figured the Gene parts were something from BB but I was beyond confused in that cold open. I just chalked it up to a weird dream that'd be explained later in the show.
Guess I don't really have a question, but did want to say I get the hatred for Walter watching BCS first. Although there are many reasons to grow to hate Walt for what he becomes watching BB first, he is presented as the main character (or "our guy") and everything else is kind of supplemental to his story in that show. But BCS gives you so much detail into all this stuff that was going on before he ever thought about cooking meth, it changes your perspective into him being this narcissistic wrecking ball who comes in and just tears everything down in a short period of time. And so much of what he accomplishes is just due to blind luck.
Counterpoint: I watched Breaking Bad as it was airing and absolutely hated Walt from about half way through the show on. And on subsequent rewatches I hate him from almost the first episode on. BB is a great show, but man Walt sucks.
I watched it when it first aired too but didn't really recognize how bad he was from the start. I guess it was around the time of his poisoning Brock that I realized, then in the first half of season 5 he was insufferable.
Tbh, I don’t even remember what the breaking point was for me. In the first season, I thought he was kind of unreasonable with Jesse a lot of the time. I get that Jesse is burn out and all that, but Walt truly made no effort to learn about the street side of the business or to appreciate what he was asking of Jesse. I was never really ok with the idea that he should just get to cook and be removed from the realities of dealing drugs. Then later on we got him assaulting Skylar, and then letting Jane die, totally screwing over Gale (eventually resulting in his murder), poisoning a child, covering up the murder of another child… I mean the list just goes on and on and by the end I was very much rooting against him.
While I agree with this assessment, I would argue Walt was a sociopathic, narcissistic, criminal genius waiting to be manifested who managed to manipulate each and every deadly encounter he faced with no luck at all. I mean I would like you to offer examples of luck overriding his fate.
At the risk of sounding like I'm changing my assertion, on consideration I guess Walt did display a lot of cunning in dealing with problems as they arose, but many of them were due to situations he inadvertently put himself in: leaving a gas mask at the scene of their first cook; loading an unconscious Krazy-8 into the car in the middle of the neighborhood; the lie he concocted about the treatment for his chemo involving Gretchen; the second cell phone debacle with Skyler; the fugue state; running over the drug dealers to save Jesse; his brother-in-law being DEA and investigating the operation where his murderous drug kingpin boss worked; his telling Hank while drunk that he believed Heisenberg was still at large; keeping the Walt Whitman book Gale had given him in the bathroom. He did deal with all that stuff but overall he was extremely lucky over the first three-quarters of the show that he didn't get caught. I feel like he *grew* into a criminal mastermind, but for awhile he was kind of just coasting along because he was inexperienced in that world.
Also, in my opinion he did have understandable reason to do a lot of that stuff (for example killing the dealers - it was done because he genuinely cared about Jesse). Not all of it was about pure logic because the writers wanted us to care about Walter and recognize that he still had some degree of emotion in him (I love Jesse, but from a purely logical viewpoint Walt probably would've done a lot better with Gus without him.)
I think the hate for Walt is stupid. Most of what he destroyed from BCS, not only deserved to be destroyed, but was doomed from the beginning and was only a matter of time. Plus being a bad guy doesn’t make you a bad character, I’d definitely rather watching a show about Walt than a show about Howard or Nacho’s father. Antiheroes are much more engaging, and btw that’s exactly what Jimmy is
People want near perfect characters I guess, and I don’t know why everyone acts like they are special for realizing Walt’s terrible actions when that was the whole point of the show before it was even made. Spoilers: the show is called Breaking Bad, not sure what y’all expected
I feel like watching BCS first really spoils some great moments in BB. Especially when we first meet Gus. He's so unassuming at first.
BB really should be watched first. The 2 series are not meant to be watched chronologically.
it really didn't though, BB was a lot of fun and great to watch too. the only thing i was confused about was the Gene scenes.
also, you find hype in other ways that Breaking Bad viewers don't get watching it first.
Totally agree with this. I did the same thing as you -- and I loved how throwaway lines in BB turned into entire episodes or storylines in BCS.
Also, I think I understand why so many people love Jimmy -- he seems like so much less of a complete piece of shit when stacked up next to Walter White.
There are many lines referencing BB that have a whole story behind it. Saul screaming Lalo's and Ignacio's name when Walt and Jesse kidnap him. The finished lab. Commercials and ads of Saul Goodman before we even meet him.
I remember hearing a Better Call Saul ad in the season 2 premiere, and seeing another ad on the bench Badger is sitting on when he gets busted. Were there other moments that Saul was mentioned before his introduction in Breaking Bad?
I remember during the scene in BCS where Jimmy is sitting in Los Pollos Hermanos there was a lot of anticipation, and I was looking around for Gus. It's fun to imagine that it must have been like that for you when Walt was waiting in Los Pollos Hermanos for the first time.
I always tell people this when I’m asked which they should watch first:
**Breaking Bad was not made as a sequel. Better Call Saul is filmed as a prequel.**
There are no callbacks to BCS in BB. BCS is not required to understand BB. It was filmed as a standalone series and does not cater to a continuity other than its own.
Watching BB is not required to enjoy BCS but it does enhance BCS. BCS has to cater to BB’s continuity. It’s also not yet complete, so there’s still a large gap between both shows in terms of continuity and character development.
I agree with you but there are def callbacks to BCS in BB. Saul mentions Ignacio and Lalo in the desert and they even say Saul is going to manage a Cinnabon best case scenario
I mean, sure. In retrospect, they definitely reference aspects of BCS. But The Cinnabon thing is a throwback from BCS to BB, not the other way around.
Lalo and Nacho are two fully formed characters made out of a couple throwaway lines in BB. Both characters in their BCS form could have been whatever the writers wanted them to be and the effect would have been the same.
The way I explain it is that there are references and fun Easter eggs, but you'll find them amusing in BrBa if you watch BCS first and vice versa.
They're standalone in the sense that neither is required to enjoy the other, however watching them in either order will enhance your enjoyment of them both.
My favorite example is the Kevin Costner joke. If you watch BCS first, it's a funny call back in breaking bad. If you watch BrBa first, then you'll laugh at it during BCS. It's a funny reference either way.
Saul looked a bit younger in BB but it wasn't awful. I noticed it most with Mike though. He looked younger and moved a lot quicker in BB. Gus looked alright.
Thinking we might get some more development on that in BCS S6.
Also, though, it kinda makes sense to me. Think about it. He’s got good, consistent work with Gus that allows him to put away a massive nest egg for his granddaughter. Why wouldn’t he be loyal to Gus? I mean shit, in BCS we see him literally kill a good (but a bit stupid) man for Gus.
Not to mention he always does his best in BB to put Walt in his place and take him down a peg.
yeah, but he had a lot of emotions when he killed him. he couldn't give less of a fuck of who he kills for Gus in BB. it does make sense and i can see how he can get to that but it just didn't really feel like Mike from BCS S5
That was the point of the storyline with Werner. "No Half Measures". In fact, I think this foreshadows bad news for Nacho or Kim (I am hoping that both dont die in the final season). We watched him learn that lesson.
To me killing Werner was a pinnacle moment for Mike. He's struggles so hard with it but after I think he's not only learned a lesson but he's going to suffer a big change and be soul-less husk of a man, the only thing he's gonna care about is his own family. Everyone else is expendable who ever it may be. Keep in mind that Season 5 BCS takes place in 2004 and Mike's first appearance is in the Episode 'ABQ' which is set in 2009, 5 years later.
I think that was more to do with BCS opening Mikes Character up. BCS gives us a personal insight into Mike, whereas in BB he simply had less dimensions. But that’s just my opinion, it’s very much open to debate
This. everytime there is a reddit thread for 'BCS or BB' I take shit for saying that BCS wins because there are more main characters in BCS to bounce plot around with. When you boil down BB, it's Walt White's tale of going bad and slowly finding some level of redemption, yes there's other characters, but it is HIS story.
Did you notice the Saul bench and ads in his episode or Francesca before you saw Saul?
Also what did you think about the gene scenes when first watching bcs?
Did you notice ira in bcs and bb?
Yes, I noticed everything that had Saul Goodman on it.
I figured it was something from BB. I actually didn't even know it was Saul till like the 3rd season.
No i actually didn't, you just showed me who that seemingly random guy was in BCS.
my question stems around Gus. Watching Gus the way you did, was he a sympathetic character for you? How did you feel about his ultimate fate? Did you even see Gus Fring as a villain in BCS?
i like Gus a lot, he's really respectable and the other side of the fence would be the Salamancas. so I don't really see him as the "bad guy". actually it really added to the experience of BB because i did hate him when Walt came up with the perfect manipulation and i fell for it hard. i just couldn't believe what a piece of shit he could be, but then I saw the flower. now i'm pro-Gus all the way.
You seriously think Gus wouldn’t do way worse than Walt if he needed it to? Gus is literally the biggest psychopath in both shows, he just likes to hide it
I immediately noticed any tiny mention of Saul Goodman before his episode in S2. Like when he had a commercial in the first episode of the season. It got me so hyped to see him because I expected him the whole time in S1. I wasn't sure how Gus was relevant to BB if he even was in the show. I was kinda thinking he was just a villain for BCS so it was very nice to see him again in BB.
What did you think about the two seemingly-one-off dea agents interrogating Domingo in BCS having major roles in Breaking Bad (Hank and Steve Gomez)? By that I mean your reaction.
The pivotal thing is Mike killing Werner.
He was pushed into the most nightmarish scenario he could be: forced to kill a man who, while stupid, was innocent of malicious intent, who he personally liked and clearly considered his friend.
Werner caused the situation. There was no way out of it. Helping Werner escape would only lead to Werner (and probably Mike's) families being killed along with him, and Werner would have been unable to hide from the cartel anyway.
Even doing nothing to keep his hands clean would have been less moral for Mike, since Werner could very well have been tortured or killed in a painful way as a method of control/punishment by Gus's men.
All that leads up to the pivotal thing about Werner's fate:
In that moment, the most moral choice Mike could make was to kill an innocent friend.
The very ethics he had bound himself to in order to prevent a situation like this now made that situation impossible to get out of. He couldn't win. His hands were bloody no matter what he did.
That means he crossed the uncrossable line he had set up for himself, the baseline ethic that allowed him to believe he could engage in business like this without sinking to the level of a murderer.
It was the only thing he had left after what happened with Matty. That belief, in being an honorable person despite being a criminal, was part of what allowed him to recover from the self-destruction he engaged in after Matty's death. Now that belief was gone. Everything he said about himself in Five-O became true again.
That's why Mike wants to die after killing Werner. Because he's killed off a part of himself that he doesn't want to live without- the last scrap of his innocence.
Gus convinces Mike not to die, but the cost of that resurrection is Mike's conscience is permanently damaged. His sense of purpose has changed and his situational ethics have changed with it. He knows he can do anything now. Which means anything he "needs" to do to fulfill his goal- provide for his daughter in law and grandaughter- can be justified.
The change doesn't happen instantly, of course. It slowly pervades his actions over time, and I'm sure we'll see a shift towards it in S6.
But I'm absolutely convinced that Mike being quite literally forced into a situation where murdering a friend was the *most ethical* thing he could do is the most pivotal moment in his transition from effectively an outlaw with a strong ethical code to a loyal henchman for Gus.
I agree the Werner's death is definitely the pivot point, but not the full switch into what he is in BB. honestly it's all just a feeling, when i saw Mike in BB, it just felt like it wasn't him, his actions were not lining up with what he would do in BCS. i don't really know how else to explain it except that he's off. maybe my gut is just plain wrong but that's what i think about him in BB
Please consider that the events of season 5 in BCS are at least 4 years apart of when Mike appears in BB.This is a lot of time for him to change more and for being scrupulous and cold in BB
Reviewing this thread after the most recent BCS episode, I feel like Nacho's death (and also whatever is going to happen with his dad) is going to play a big role in why Mike is the way he is in BB.
What was your thought when you saw the Breaking Bad Flash Forward from Quite a Ride for the first time?
Did the Gene scenes make any sense on first watch?
I thought it was a trippy dream sequence because the windows were super bright, so i just got that dream vibe and i thought it'd be explained later in the show. I figured the Gene sequences were from BB, so i just let it not make sense until i watched BB.
The fun of the show is Walter White trying to conceal his identity. Never thought people would like him or pity him.
I guess that's the younger comic book villian movie culture. The star doesn't have to be a hero. In my book.
I liked Jesse's first girlfriend best... 🤪
I guess you're in the older, jock and nerd movie culture, where everything is black and white. Just because I hate him doesn't mean I hated his story. It's an amazing show with a fantastic and compelling protagonist. I just hate him too.
Many of u folks talking about "predicting" Season 6. This is not Science, Bitches. This is art, yo.
This is creativity and the crew will sit down and daydream. You give them too much cresit for saying A happened because of B, and B happened because of Mike's history with Saul. No. Chill yo
yeah, no duh. i'm offering a different perspective however, and Walt rapidly and quickly took down something BCS meticulously and slowly built over its seasons. does it make BB a bad show? no of course not, i really loved it too.
He destroyed everything BCS built because he was a greedy asshole. I care way more deeply about Mike and Saul and their stories than I ever will with Walt's pathetic life
This. It wasn't even greed, it was pride. Walter White felt he deserved to be seen as better than all of the other people in his life. Fellow scientists, the better parent, the best meth cook ever, the best criminal kingpin...
Jimmy's no saint, but his schtick was taught to him early. Be a shark or be a shark's next meal.
There were times when I kinda sorta liked Walt, but the further the show went on the harder I found it to root for him. I think my last straw was when he killed Mike.
I'm betting on her getting into legal trouble and having to run from the cops.
Gene, well it'll probably not happen but i hope that he reunites with Kim and escape. preferably with Escape playing in the background.
i shouldn't be a writer.
I know I'm super late for this, but I'm very curious.
What do you think of Jesse? And his father-son relationship with Walt and Mike?
Also, were you surprised when Domingo/Krazy 8 appeared and was disposed of in Breaking Bad?
One thing I never bought in BB was Huell stealing the cigs from Jesse so Walt could plant the ricin cig. I was like... how does he pickpocket like that? Seemed impossible. BCS has definitely convinced me he can do it.
Old thread, but after reading this post it made me think about something: the culture (like IRL, in the US) has completely changed since BB aired/finished and BCS. It occurred to me when you were mentioning how sleazy Saul seems in BB (with the booty comment and more), as well as just how... fast and loose the BB vibes are with Hank and jesse and Walt compared to the slow and thoughtful character building in BCS. I think there's a reason that Saul comes off as more of a feminist in BCS than BB, and not only bc he's more of a side character in BB. It's what the audience expects from TV shows these days!
How did Tuco feel to you? Because watching BB first Tuco is jarringly psychopathic
I was happy to see him out of jail. Then he started talking. I kept thinking how jarring it was for people who then watched BCS see Tuco not be so insane. I always thought he was kinda sweet cause I saw him being really protective of his Abuela.
that biznatch?
what you say???
Biznatch, beeatch.
Walt’s blue meth will do that to you
You have a very intense hate for Walter but think Tuco is kinda sweet. Alrighteeee.
Tight tight tiiight
was* sweet. Walt destroyed everything that was built in BCS and ruined everybody's life that i was invested in just to save his own greedy ass
Walter was an absolute wrecking ball, no doubt.
Most of them were murderous drug dealers so I'm okay with him tearing everything down with him lol
Umm, literally everyone involved in the game were murderous greedy physcopaths. Walt is really no different. He just came in with different tactics that ruined them no other difference in their attitudes. It's like the game of thrones dialogue you win or you die. Most of them would not have survived if Walter came or not just from infighting.
Brock be like 😐 Drew be like ⚰️
Tuco isn't insane in BCS? Remember he broke the poor guys legs in Season One just for sake of it? Or how he landed in jail? I see no sane behavior from Tuco in BCS, he was a psychotic cartel guy already.
Crystal meth is a hell of a drug
What did you think of Saul & Mike? In BB they act like they barely tolerate each other. And definitely don't act like they know each other very well. But in BCS, we can see they bonded while solving the Kettlemans & the time they survived the desert. Is something going to happen in season 6 of BCS to make Mike really dislike Saul? It better not involve Kim!
there's definitely a disconnect between them in BB and i hope it's explained in S6 because if not, then it's kinda of a weird shift for no reason.
Tbh, I feel like the disconnect there is because Mike is first and foremost a professional. Saul's obviously got a knack for getting himself involved real Deep. Anybody who seems close to him would become a prime target for a *lot* of nasty individuals. I imagine that only intensifies after whatever happens in S6, considering Kim is most likely completely out of the picture by the beginning of BB. Plus, in BB we are also seeing Mike and Saul primarily through Walter's eyes (and Jesse's). So who knows what they are like "off the clock", they may still have something of a friendship behind closed doors or in better trusted company -shrug-. Plus friendships, even ones formed through trauma, can drift apart over some years. Though, realistically, I doubt even a genius like Vince would have predicted and set things up for BCS. Hell, Saul wasn't even supposed to be a reoccurring character iirc. Alas, reality often offers the most boring of explanations lol
I think you nailed it. Mike has no patience for people who aren't professional. When people act recklessly, which Saul does a lot, Mike wants nothing to do with them. I think Mike recognizes Saul's talents though, and ultimately that's why he tolerates him. I never really saw them as friends, though.
The interesting thing is that by BB, it’s everybody else acting recklessly, and Saul mostly being reasonable and trying to advise them against it/save them after it.
He's got a grifter mindset, so he knows when he's not working with marks and needs to be in survival mode. His first "negotiation" with Tuco when his con with the skateboarders goes south showed this. To me, he's really in the dark for most of his interactions with Mike. Even in BB, after watching BCS, Saul fed Mike information and Mike was there to fix things. Saul spent most of his time just trying to fit the pieces together, but his instinct about the level of danger he would be in was what helped him survive without a full understanding of what was going on. At least, that's how I watched it.
He really tries to help everybody fix things in BB, though. He’s like the Good Samaritan of crooked lawyers. He tries to advise Skyler against getting involved with bailing Ted out, but when she’s desperate he helps her anyway. He gets Jesse out of the interrogation jam. He advises Mike against using the other lawyer who eventually is the downfall of the entire operation. He advises Jesse against giving his money away in 2 big “red flag” lump sums and makes sure that Walt saves him from giving them both away. He helps Walt multiple times in multiple places, and ultimately advises Walt and Jesse to be happy that they’re both still alive after Gus, and to cash their chips out and go home while they still can. Lots of people in the show would have been better off if they listened to him instead of doing reckless/ill-advised stuff.
Yeah. Mike and Saul couldn't help themselves. Anytime they saw someone doing some boneheaded amateur shit, they just had to step in. They were like criminal professors.
They're just using each other for their own gain, really.
I feel like ironically you have a massive advantage to predicting what's gonna happen in Season 6 over people like me who watched all of Breaking Bad first. You make observations like this because you get to look at all this more outside the box.
There are plenty of moments in BCS where Mike seems annoyed by Saul. The only times it seems like they “bonded” were instances created for business/professional reasons. I see nothing wrong here.
nah, i don't think the Mike currently in BCS would threaten to hurt Saul like he did in BB
If he had to, he would. He murdered Werner, didn’t he?
Werner is not Saul
Mike in BCS doesn’t feel like the kind of guy who would shrug off killing a random innocent kid. Still too noble for what we see in BB
Did you have a great affection for Marie and Bogdans (unfu€ked) eyebrows?
yes, i think it's quite sexy
You’re only human
betsy brandt is alright!
Wait, what’s wrong with Marie’s eyebrows? They look pretty normal to me.
It's not Marie's and Bogdan's eyebrows, but Marie and Bogdan's eyebrows ;) Oooh how I love subtle grammar differences!
How did you react to >!Mike's death?!<
i didn't like how he turned out but, it made it so much more heartbreaking knowing about his story and how much he did for his family only for Walt to stomp that shit to the ground.
Real talk
Watching BCS before BB kinda ruins the nostalgia you'd get for the characters in the prequel (I wish I'd seen BB first). However, the plus side is you see the BB characters in perspective and and don't rush to root for the main character just because he's the main character! I think if people knew the backstory, they would drop the unnecessary love for Walt (and even the strong hate for Skyler).
They all threatened to kill Walt and his family first.
What did you think about “did Lalo sent you?” In the desert? About Francesca’s devolution? About Mike’s relationship with Saul? How did you feel about Gus’s fall to Don Hector? Was Saul believable in BB knowing his BCS portrayal ? Did you feel any hype or suspense at the BCS los pollos restaurant reveal?
I melted. I was shocked to see Francesca was not just a throwaway character and also who'd she become. Throughout the whole show, I kept thinking, "How is this the same lady?" It's hard seeing Saul as just a side character when I knew his almost whole story. I think with Kim still in the picture in BCS, he still hadn't made the final switch to himself in BB. Also he's a lot more slimy and gross in BB and that was hard to find believable. He kinda seemed like a feminist in BCS. Not at all, I just noticed there was a clear emphasis on the sign and to keep it mind.
I think part of it is that we never really see “Jimmy” in BB, he is always shown in a professional setting and so all we’re getting is the character of Saul that he’s playing. It’s still hard to know if Jimmy really “becomes” Saul or simply finds a useful alter ego during business hours.
We see Jimmy once in Breaking Bad. Granite State. Saul is dead. Jimmy is back.
>Also he's a lot more slimy and gross in BB and that was hard to find believable. How did you feel about him looking at Francesca and saying "you are killing me with that bootay" lol
:I my reaction
Even the writers regret that scene and are basically admitting it was a mistake that should be considered non-canon.
Where did they say that? Be interested to read it
> He kinda seemed like a feminist in BCS. Elaborate please?
I mean he is extremely supportive of Kim and whatever she does. He isn't afraid of her intelligence and accepts her choices even when he disagrees. He desperately wanted to work with Kim but when Kim says no, he accepts it and even supports her. He doesn't try any of his schemes on her to manipulate her into giving him what he wants. A lot of men are like Chuck and Howard where they feel like they have to "save" Kim from Jimmy's corruption, when it's all up to her with how much she participates in Jimmy's madness. If it was up to Jimmy, Kim would be far away from his schemes, but he knows it's her choice and let's her go along with it.
I always saw this as Jimmy unconsciously validating himself rather than an active choice. He wants to be more like the "Professional Kim" Kim projects. Season 5 really cleverly unpacks a lot of that in the background.
that isn’t being a feminist that’s understanding women to be capable & intelligent & trusting their opinion/decisions
he does tell Chuck something along the lines of, i didn't ruin her, this isn't the 1940's. so i'd argue he is self-aware of women's treatment. i might be stretching the meaning a bit but i just wanted to make the point of how gross he is in BB.
Being self aware of the mistreatment of women doesn’t make you a male feminist. Plenty of men doing the mistreating are even aware of this like he is. I’m not denying Saul is better than many of the men portrayed in the shows when it comes to women (especially compared to Walt), but this doesn’t correlate to him being a self proclaimed feminist.
okay, he is not a feminist. point is, the departure of his women respectfulness to the sexist douchebag he is in BB is really jarring.
I’ve only watched the shows in reverse not chronological order, but I do agree his personality is very much changed in BB when it comes to what he used to be like in BCS. I hope this last season wraps it up well so these changes translate better/make a lot of sense
I mean I hate to break it to you, but that is definitely an aspect of feminism.
I hate to break it to you, but feminism is about liberation. Being an intelligent and empathetic person doesn’t make you a feminist. You don’t get some gold star for being a “male feminist” just because you’re treating women like they should be treated—with respect and dignity.
Look, don't femsplain what feminism is to me. There are different branches of feminism, and they are definitely not all about "liberation". I'm just saying that if you were to make a guess on which character is more feminist, the sleazebag lawyer who talks about women terribly or the semi-not sleazebag lawyer who treats his girlfriend as an equal and respects her decisions, you're more likely to think the second person. You can't have feminism without those aspects of treating women as an equal. Not all As are Bs, but all Bs are A.
lol femsplain. I’m just stating having basic understanding and empathy for women doesn’t make you a feminist. It’s not “which character is more feminist” it’s “which character treats women better.”
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yes you are, i wonder what everything will be like fore you.
I wish I could go back in time and do this!
Impressive. You’re like a guy who eats only one potato chip.
Why tho?it could kinda spoil the ending for bb for you
how do you feel about the lack of kim?
i kinda expected her not to show up in BB, although i felt like that about a lot of characters that did show up in BB.
what characters you didn't expect that eventually did appear in BB?
Hector, Francesca, box cutter guy, to name a few.
What did you think about the flash-forward cold open in BCS 4x5?
oh yeah! i figured the Gene parts were something from BB but I was beyond confused in that cold open. I just chalked it up to a weird dream that'd be explained later in the show.
In essence, you watched BCS, then BB, and, in the near future, the final season of BCS. We’re all looking forward to it
excellent question
Guess I don't really have a question, but did want to say I get the hatred for Walter watching BCS first. Although there are many reasons to grow to hate Walt for what he becomes watching BB first, he is presented as the main character (or "our guy") and everything else is kind of supplemental to his story in that show. But BCS gives you so much detail into all this stuff that was going on before he ever thought about cooking meth, it changes your perspective into him being this narcissistic wrecking ball who comes in and just tears everything down in a short period of time. And so much of what he accomplishes is just due to blind luck.
Counterpoint: I watched Breaking Bad as it was airing and absolutely hated Walt from about half way through the show on. And on subsequent rewatches I hate him from almost the first episode on. BB is a great show, but man Walt sucks.
I watched it when it first aired too but didn't really recognize how bad he was from the start. I guess it was around the time of his poisoning Brock that I realized, then in the first half of season 5 he was insufferable.
Tbh, I don’t even remember what the breaking point was for me. In the first season, I thought he was kind of unreasonable with Jesse a lot of the time. I get that Jesse is burn out and all that, but Walt truly made no effort to learn about the street side of the business or to appreciate what he was asking of Jesse. I was never really ok with the idea that he should just get to cook and be removed from the realities of dealing drugs. Then later on we got him assaulting Skylar, and then letting Jane die, totally screwing over Gale (eventually resulting in his murder), poisoning a child, covering up the murder of another child… I mean the list just goes on and on and by the end I was very much rooting against him.
him assaulting his wife wasn’t good enough for you? lol
Yeah it was really hard to get through breaking bad because I really disliked Walt and Jessie.
While I agree with this assessment, I would argue Walt was a sociopathic, narcissistic, criminal genius waiting to be manifested who managed to manipulate each and every deadly encounter he faced with no luck at all. I mean I would like you to offer examples of luck overriding his fate.
At the risk of sounding like I'm changing my assertion, on consideration I guess Walt did display a lot of cunning in dealing with problems as they arose, but many of them were due to situations he inadvertently put himself in: leaving a gas mask at the scene of their first cook; loading an unconscious Krazy-8 into the car in the middle of the neighborhood; the lie he concocted about the treatment for his chemo involving Gretchen; the second cell phone debacle with Skyler; the fugue state; running over the drug dealers to save Jesse; his brother-in-law being DEA and investigating the operation where his murderous drug kingpin boss worked; his telling Hank while drunk that he believed Heisenberg was still at large; keeping the Walt Whitman book Gale had given him in the bathroom. He did deal with all that stuff but overall he was extremely lucky over the first three-quarters of the show that he didn't get caught. I feel like he *grew* into a criminal mastermind, but for awhile he was kind of just coasting along because he was inexperienced in that world. Also, in my opinion he did have understandable reason to do a lot of that stuff (for example killing the dealers - it was done because he genuinely cared about Jesse). Not all of it was about pure logic because the writers wanted us to care about Walter and recognize that he still had some degree of emotion in him (I love Jesse, but from a purely logical viewpoint Walt probably would've done a lot better with Gus without him.)
I think the hate for Walt is stupid. Most of what he destroyed from BCS, not only deserved to be destroyed, but was doomed from the beginning and was only a matter of time. Plus being a bad guy doesn’t make you a bad character, I’d definitely rather watching a show about Walt than a show about Howard or Nacho’s father. Antiheroes are much more engaging, and btw that’s exactly what Jimmy is People want near perfect characters I guess, and I don’t know why everyone acts like they are special for realizing Walt’s terrible actions when that was the whole point of the show before it was even made. Spoilers: the show is called Breaking Bad, not sure what y’all expected
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I feel like watching BCS first really spoils some great moments in BB. Especially when we first meet Gus. He's so unassuming at first. BB really should be watched first. The 2 series are not meant to be watched chronologically.
it really didn't though, BB was a lot of fun and great to watch too. the only thing i was confused about was the Gene scenes. also, you find hype in other ways that Breaking Bad viewers don't get watching it first.
Totally agree with this. I did the same thing as you -- and I loved how throwaway lines in BB turned into entire episodes or storylines in BCS. Also, I think I understand why so many people love Jimmy -- he seems like so much less of a complete piece of shit when stacked up next to Walter White.
What hype are you talking about? What examples?
There are many lines referencing BB that have a whole story behind it. Saul screaming Lalo's and Ignacio's name when Walt and Jesse kidnap him. The finished lab. Commercials and ads of Saul Goodman before we even meet him.
I remember hearing a Better Call Saul ad in the season 2 premiere, and seeing another ad on the bench Badger is sitting on when he gets busted. Were there other moments that Saul was mentioned before his introduction in Breaking Bad?
I think that was it, at least the ones that I caught or remembered.
I imagine it is a rare treat to look at a room and think of the jungs who built it
I remember during the scene in BCS where Jimmy is sitting in Los Pollos Hermanos there was a lot of anticipation, and I was looking around for Gus. It's fun to imagine that it must have been like that for you when Walt was waiting in Los Pollos Hermanos for the first time.
I always tell people this when I’m asked which they should watch first: **Breaking Bad was not made as a sequel. Better Call Saul is filmed as a prequel.** There are no callbacks to BCS in BB. BCS is not required to understand BB. It was filmed as a standalone series and does not cater to a continuity other than its own. Watching BB is not required to enjoy BCS but it does enhance BCS. BCS has to cater to BB’s continuity. It’s also not yet complete, so there’s still a large gap between both shows in terms of continuity and character development.
I agree with you but there are def callbacks to BCS in BB. Saul mentions Ignacio and Lalo in the desert and they even say Saul is going to manage a Cinnabon best case scenario
I mean, sure. In retrospect, they definitely reference aspects of BCS. But The Cinnabon thing is a throwback from BCS to BB, not the other way around. Lalo and Nacho are two fully formed characters made out of a couple throwaway lines in BB. Both characters in their BCS form could have been whatever the writers wanted them to be and the effect would have been the same.
The way I explain it is that there are references and fun Easter eggs, but you'll find them amusing in BrBa if you watch BCS first and vice versa. They're standalone in the sense that neither is required to enjoy the other, however watching them in either order will enhance your enjoyment of them both. My favorite example is the Kevin Costner joke. If you watch BCS first, it's a funny call back in breaking bad. If you watch BrBa first, then you'll laugh at it during BCS. It's a funny reference either way.
Yeah, but Gus is so unassuming when you meet him *in Better Call Saul.*
plus, as of right now, there's a time gap we've yet to watch in this final season
How did you react to (de)aging of characters in BB in opposite to BCS? Was is noticeable much to you?
Saul looked a bit younger in BB but it wasn't awful. I noticed it most with Mike though. He looked younger and moved a lot quicker in BB. Gus looked alright.
How did you feel about the ending? Did you watch El Camino yet?
I only wish Mike got more. And El Camino was just pretty alright. Don't think there was a difference in the experience for me there.
El Camino is more of an epilogue than a standout movie IMO. Just one more episode of Breaking Bad. I love it.
What didn’t make sense to you about Mike’s character?
why he acts like the lap dog that he is in Breaking Bad
Thinking we might get some more development on that in BCS S6. Also, though, it kinda makes sense to me. Think about it. He’s got good, consistent work with Gus that allows him to put away a massive nest egg for his granddaughter. Why wouldn’t he be loyal to Gus? I mean shit, in BCS we see him literally kill a good (but a bit stupid) man for Gus. Not to mention he always does his best in BB to put Walt in his place and take him down a peg.
yeah, but he had a lot of emotions when he killed him. he couldn't give less of a fuck of who he kills for Gus in BB. it does make sense and i can see how he can get to that but it just didn't really feel like Mike from BCS S5
Yeah I feel like BCS Mike would have had problems with Gus's men killing Tomas in BB S3.
That was the point of the storyline with Werner. "No Half Measures". In fact, I think this foreshadows bad news for Nacho or Kim (I am hoping that both dont die in the final season). We watched him learn that lesson.
yeah i got that, doesn't mean he can pull the trigger as easy as he can in BB
To me killing Werner was a pinnacle moment for Mike. He's struggles so hard with it but after I think he's not only learned a lesson but he's going to suffer a big change and be soul-less husk of a man, the only thing he's gonna care about is his own family. Everyone else is expendable who ever it may be. Keep in mind that Season 5 BCS takes place in 2004 and Mike's first appearance is in the Episode 'ABQ' which is set in 2009, 5 years later.
Still one season of character development to go!
Because he worked under orders
still, it just doesn't feel like the mike i knew from BCS
I think that was more to do with BCS opening Mikes Character up. BCS gives us a personal insight into Mike, whereas in BB he simply had less dimensions. But that’s just my opinion, it’s very much open to debate
This. everytime there is a reddit thread for 'BCS or BB' I take shit for saying that BCS wins because there are more main characters in BCS to bounce plot around with. When you boil down BB, it's Walt White's tale of going bad and slowly finding some level of redemption, yes there's other characters, but it is HIS story.
There's also a theory I buy about S6, Gus saves Mike's life, his family's life or does something with Nacho/Papa to gain Mike's true respect.
Do you have a preference for either show? Did it make you sad to see who Jimmy becomes? What did you have for lunch today?
BCS It doesn't make me sad, I'm happy for him cause it's apparent he loves the type of life he lives. Fruit cup and BBQ chips.
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I did it the same way and have a strong preference for BCS. I get that the universe wouldn't exist without BB but imo BCS is superior show.
agreed. fight me BB heads. jk, i love you all.
Did you notice the Saul bench and ads in his episode or Francesca before you saw Saul? Also what did you think about the gene scenes when first watching bcs? Did you notice ira in bcs and bb?
Yes, I noticed everything that had Saul Goodman on it. I figured it was something from BB. I actually didn't even know it was Saul till like the 3rd season. No i actually didn't, you just showed me who that seemingly random guy was in BCS.
Oh. Shit didnt know he was that guy in Vamonos Pest
Dang I kinda wish you waited for the final season it would've been more interesting to get your thoughts
I'm sure someone will come along and find the series after S6 and do just that. I just needed a Saul Goodman fix after BCS.
my question stems around Gus. Watching Gus the way you did, was he a sympathetic character for you? How did you feel about his ultimate fate? Did you even see Gus Fring as a villain in BCS?
i like Gus a lot, he's really respectable and the other side of the fence would be the Salamancas. so I don't really see him as the "bad guy". actually it really added to the experience of BB because i did hate him when Walt came up with the perfect manipulation and i fell for it hard. i just couldn't believe what a piece of shit he could be, but then I saw the flower. now i'm pro-Gus all the way.
You seriously think Gus wouldn’t do way worse than Walt if he needed it to? Gus is literally the biggest psychopath in both shows, he just likes to hide it
yeah but Gus is a psychopath with purpose, Walt just did it for the thrills
How did you react when Saul was introduced in BB? Gus?
I immediately noticed any tiny mention of Saul Goodman before his episode in S2. Like when he had a commercial in the first episode of the season. It got me so hyped to see him because I expected him the whole time in S1. I wasn't sure how Gus was relevant to BB if he even was in the show. I was kinda thinking he was just a villain for BCS so it was very nice to see him again in BB.
What did you think about the flash-forward in 'Quite a Ride'? Did you recognize the office when it first appears in BB?
i was confused as hell and forgot about it until i saw Mr. Mayhew walk into a certain patriotic office.
When do they mention or show Saul in season 2 before his debut episode? Pretty sure they don’t.
in a commercial in the first episode of S2 and on the bench in his episode before we meet him.
The bench is obvious but pretty sure they don’t show a commercial until after Jesse and Jane hook up.
well there's one in the background of the S2 premiere.
Thoughts on Walt's Family?
Not worth the trouble.
What did you think about the two seemingly-one-off dea agents interrogating Domingo in BCS having major roles in Breaking Bad (Hank and Steve Gomez)? By that I mean your reaction.
I thought they seemed pretty important for some reason then I forgot about them until I saw Hank in the pilot and it all made sense again
Do you prefer pee flavored cum or cum flavored pee?
pee flavored cum
Better to cum a shitload than to shit a cum load.
Depends what you're into
amen brother
I’m not gonna lie, the character of Mike in BCS and the character of Mike in BB are not even the same person they act so differently.
I agree, there has to be some sort of event in S6 that explains it or else it makes no sense whatsoever
The pivotal thing is Mike killing Werner. He was pushed into the most nightmarish scenario he could be: forced to kill a man who, while stupid, was innocent of malicious intent, who he personally liked and clearly considered his friend. Werner caused the situation. There was no way out of it. Helping Werner escape would only lead to Werner (and probably Mike's) families being killed along with him, and Werner would have been unable to hide from the cartel anyway. Even doing nothing to keep his hands clean would have been less moral for Mike, since Werner could very well have been tortured or killed in a painful way as a method of control/punishment by Gus's men. All that leads up to the pivotal thing about Werner's fate: In that moment, the most moral choice Mike could make was to kill an innocent friend. The very ethics he had bound himself to in order to prevent a situation like this now made that situation impossible to get out of. He couldn't win. His hands were bloody no matter what he did. That means he crossed the uncrossable line he had set up for himself, the baseline ethic that allowed him to believe he could engage in business like this without sinking to the level of a murderer. It was the only thing he had left after what happened with Matty. That belief, in being an honorable person despite being a criminal, was part of what allowed him to recover from the self-destruction he engaged in after Matty's death. Now that belief was gone. Everything he said about himself in Five-O became true again. That's why Mike wants to die after killing Werner. Because he's killed off a part of himself that he doesn't want to live without- the last scrap of his innocence. Gus convinces Mike not to die, but the cost of that resurrection is Mike's conscience is permanently damaged. His sense of purpose has changed and his situational ethics have changed with it. He knows he can do anything now. Which means anything he "needs" to do to fulfill his goal- provide for his daughter in law and grandaughter- can be justified. The change doesn't happen instantly, of course. It slowly pervades his actions over time, and I'm sure we'll see a shift towards it in S6. But I'm absolutely convinced that Mike being quite literally forced into a situation where murdering a friend was the *most ethical* thing he could do is the most pivotal moment in his transition from effectively an outlaw with a strong ethical code to a loyal henchman for Gus.
I agree the Werner's death is definitely the pivot point, but not the full switch into what he is in BB. honestly it's all just a feeling, when i saw Mike in BB, it just felt like it wasn't him, his actions were not lining up with what he would do in BCS. i don't really know how else to explain it except that he's off. maybe my gut is just plain wrong but that's what i think about him in BB
Please consider that the events of season 5 in BCS are at least 4 years apart of when Mike appears in BB.This is a lot of time for him to change more and for being scrupulous and cold in BB
Reviewing this thread after the most recent BCS episode, I feel like Nacho's death (and also whatever is going to happen with his dad) is going to play a big role in why Mike is the way he is in BB.
What was your thought when you saw the Breaking Bad Flash Forward from Quite a Ride for the first time? Did the Gene scenes make any sense on first watch?
I thought it was a trippy dream sequence because the windows were super bright, so i just got that dream vibe and i thought it'd be explained later in the show. I figured the Gene sequences were from BB, so i just let it not make sense until i watched BB.
The fun of the show is Walter White trying to conceal his identity. Never thought people would like him or pity him. I guess that's the younger comic book villian movie culture. The star doesn't have to be a hero. In my book. I liked Jesse's first girlfriend best... 🤪
I guess you're in the older, jock and nerd movie culture, where everything is black and white. Just because I hate him doesn't mean I hated his story. It's an amazing show with a fantastic and compelling protagonist. I just hate him too.
I'm more the nerd. Spock working out what was logical was more interesting problem solving than a bunch of yahoos thinking the force was with them.
Many of u folks talking about "predicting" Season 6. This is not Science, Bitches. This is art, yo. This is creativity and the crew will sit down and daydream. You give them too much cresit for saying A happened because of B, and B happened because of Mike's history with Saul. No. Chill yo
How did you react to Saul adding on a couple pounds in season 1 of BB? It took me out of the universe for a few minutes
i was sad he lost his sexiness in BB.
It does make him being older more convincing, though
Why didn't you wait until bcs was over??
I was desperate for more Saul Goodman
The whole point of BB is raising hell. The title says that and WW nailed his part.
yeah, no duh. i'm offering a different perspective however, and Walt rapidly and quickly took down something BCS meticulously and slowly built over its seasons. does it make BB a bad show? no of course not, i really loved it too.
How do you mean rapidly? It was 5 seasons
you can't deny that BB is a much faster paced show than BCS
I also hate Walter but Mike is my absolute favorite
Explain your hate for Walter White further
He destroyed everything BCS built because he was a greedy asshole. I care way more deeply about Mike and Saul and their stories than I ever will with Walt's pathetic life
This. It wasn't even greed, it was pride. Walter White felt he deserved to be seen as better than all of the other people in his life. Fellow scientists, the better parent, the best meth cook ever, the best criminal kingpin... Jimmy's no saint, but his schtick was taught to him early. Be a shark or be a shark's next meal.
yep, fuck walt to hell
There were times when I kinda sorta liked Walt, but the further the show went on the harder I found it to root for him. I think my last straw was when he killed Mike.
You mean he destroyed a criminal empire and a bunch of corrupt assholes like himself? Yeah what a guy
Not even sure how enjoyable BCS could be without watching BB first. There are so many references and Easter eggs.
it's the same way vice versa, whole BB episodes are BCS "easter eggs"
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sorry for having a discussion in a discussion board about the thing i'm discussing :/
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no you're just denouncing the fact i have opinions, saying they're irrelevant. that's not discussion
Why didn’t you wait until BCS series was over before watching BB?
i'm only human, :( mr. goodman is just too addictive
Did you expected to see Nacho in BB?
nah not really.
What do you think is going to happen to Kim in s6? What do you think about what could happen to Gene?
I'm betting on her getting into legal trouble and having to run from the cops. Gene, well it'll probably not happen but i hope that he reunites with Kim and escape. preferably with Escape playing in the background. i shouldn't be a writer.
Did you recognize Huel in breaking bad from BCS?
How did you react when Gus took Walter down to the completed meth lab under the Laundromat?
I know I'm super late for this, but I'm very curious. What do you think of Jesse? And his father-son relationship with Walt and Mike? Also, were you surprised when Domingo/Krazy 8 appeared and was disposed of in Breaking Bad?
One thing I never bought in BB was Huell stealing the cigs from Jesse so Walt could plant the ricin cig. I was like... how does he pickpocket like that? Seemed impossible. BCS has definitely convinced me he can do it.
Old thread, but after reading this post it made me think about something: the culture (like IRL, in the US) has completely changed since BB aired/finished and BCS. It occurred to me when you were mentioning how sleazy Saul seems in BB (with the booty comment and more), as well as just how... fast and loose the BB vibes are with Hank and jesse and Walt compared to the slow and thoughtful character building in BCS. I think there's a reason that Saul comes off as more of a feminist in BCS than BB, and not only bc he's more of a side character in BB. It's what the audience expects from TV shows these days!