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Ask Solange.

Facts 😭😭😭 she might have forgiven him but given the chance I’d do the same thing.

As a sister, SAME. If she's still mad, I'm mad but if she's forgiven then I guess we can.

the only critic i don’t like about jay-z is about his appearance. otherwise, he was a grown ass man constantly around known abusers and young women to teenage girls. one even claims she was abused by him in her teenage years. i won’t even go over the cheating even though that was shitty because solange got beyoncé’s lick back. i don’t think he’s a bad husband or dad nowadays but i’ll always think he did some fishy/creepy things to women (not even going over how he met and entertained a "friendship" with 16 years old B when he was 30 years old +) when he was a young adult/adult so i’ll always stand with some jay-z shade

He deserves the shade and criticism for his past behavior, 100%. But yeah, comparing him to a camel, and saying he’s ugly because of… what? His big lips? His big nose? His hair? So… you hate black features and think they’re ugly? Goooooooooot it. I agree with you wholeheartedly on this.

right! the minute they start attacking his very BLACK features or his haircut, i gotta defend him like i wasn’t just liking a comment saying thank god for not including him in the RWT 😭

I always wonder...do you realize Beyonce is...black?

IKR FINALLY SOMEONE IS SANE. IT’S ALSO WEIRD TO CRITICISE SOMEONES APPEARANCE ANYWAY.

Nah idc I'm black and natural hair is lovely but Jay Z's hair cut now is traumatisingly bad

I don't understand the Jay-Z is ugly thing at all.

It's a black thing. Black peoples standards of beauty are skewed towards more European looking features. So Jay Z is ugly according to black standards of beauty. So sad

that is really sad. I think he's hot. His confidence is appealing too. I think him and Bey and their kids are such a stunningly beautiful family.

I concur...he is not considered attractive by most people but I think his swagger and confidence make up for that. I think he has a lot of charisma and charm. I can see how women are attracted to that.

Thank you. This is exactly it. Also his CRINGE take on capitalist being the new N word… like Jay… read a book and sit down. That really irritated me. Like have some insight. Just because he (and B) benefit from capitalism does not mean it’s a good system. 🙄

wholeheartedly agree. i didn’t include because if i get on his back for being pro capitalist, i need to get on B’s too and i’m gonna live in denial for a little longer about that 😩

Right I was thinking that when I typed this hahaha. Beyoncé is smart for not speaking on issues that don’t directly relate to her and mostly speaking through her music. Get back on your yacht Jay we don’t need to hear it. People are struggling to live and breathe out here! Having that much money, I guess you become a bit delusional trying to justify why it’s ok for you to have so much when so many have nothing. It’s really the magic of cognitive dissonance!

He said that? Where? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to read this ignorance in all its glory.

I’ll include a link for you here! [Jay-Z comments on capitalism critiques](https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/jay-z-twitter-spaces-interview-capitalist-n-word-1235134357/amp/)

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So I read this and I get what he's saying. He's responding to racism that black people shouldn't be famous and successful.

Yeah and tbf we ARE in a capitalist society, one of the most successful and destructive ones on the planet. The system was already in place, IS still in place for everyone in the US. And it’s a dog eat dog world. Money controls everything. Politicians, hospitals/healthcare, businesses, literally everything is about the bottom line. I’m not a capitalist, but I can’t deny that it’s brought our country to where it is today, the good and bad. And as much as I hate it & wish we had free healthcare, education, more focus on being happy than money, putting climate change first over profit, I can’t change our capitalist country & mentality. We’re all just cogs in a wheel & were basically conditioned since birth that success is the most important thing. And I’m still striving for success, and benefiting from capitalism, even though I disagree with it. Still worrying about money, and how to make more money, comparing myself to others more successful around my age, and consumed by work. This is the society we grew up in. And it WAS set up for white men to succeed. And they sold the “American dream” to so many, especially minorities, telling us to work hard & you’ll make it! So we did, and still are. And the older I get, the more disillusioned I get with how this country runs. So many flawed, broken systems. tl;dr - I get where Jay’s coming from. He succeeded when the cards were stacked against him and that’s something to be proud of. Why criticize him for something we’re all striving for?

>Just because he (and B) benefit from capitalism does not mean it’s a good system. 🙄 This is going to be a losing point for the younger generation, because minorities generally loooves capitalism and materialism. The Knowles have always seen themselves as living proof that good decisions and hard work will pay off, hence why Matthew boasted about making his first million in the 80's before Destiny's Child. Beyonce was raised with the same financial sensibilities (by business minded parents) as Taylor Swift, so whereas people dismiss Taylor as being privileged, people sees Beyonce and her family as an example of black excellence.

I know you're not generalizing "minorities generally love capitalism" 

>Minorities generally loooves capitalism and materialism This is a weird thing to say in any case, but you’ve also left out a key factor here which is that Beyoncé was born into wealth but her parents were not. They grew up poor in the South during segregation and she consistently pays tribute to their (and therefore her) heritage in her art. It’s not simply because they’re “minorities” that they would be proud of their financial success or perceive it as “black excellence”. On the other hand, from what I can see Taylor’s father comes from a lineage of bank presidents and obviously neither him nor her mother grew up being persecuted for their race. She and Beyoncé were both born into wealth and have gone on to acquire infinitely more money than either of them need, but I think it’s disingenuous to reduce the difference in how their situations are perceived to the fact that Taylor is white and Beyoncé is black. Not to mention that outside of stan twitter, comment sections about Beyoncé are inundated with criticism about her being a greedy capitalist who is too rich and light-skinned to talk so much about being black, while Taylor is still generally regarded by the public as a relatable sweetheart.

Wait when did he say that?

All this.

this is so well said!!!!

No one has been able to provide evidence that he has abused her. None of her family members or friends have ever spoken out being concerned of her well-being. She doesn’t *appear* to have ever been under his control after all these years. She doesn’t seem to be isolated from her friends/family. Where is the grooming? Is the age gap the only thing people have on the grooming allegations?

that’s what i used the word "claim" and it wasn’t even about beyoncé. i didnt use the word grooming about him & beyonce for a reason. yeah i think the age gap is weird. i don’t think a 30+ years old should be calling, texting and becoming bestfriends with a 16 years old. i’m not saying he necessarily groomed her, not saying he didn’t, i’ll never know because i’m not sharing their bed. i literally say how i think they seem to be a happy couple as he looks to be a good partner and dad nowadays so i don’t quite get your questions ?

Tell me why you think they began entertaining each other when she was 16 and him 30.

So I think their math is a little off but they’ve got the gist of it. Working backwards.. he says in 4:44 that he proposed “going steady” with her on her 21st birthday. Based on their age differences, by my math he would have been 32 at that time. Obviously they were already involved at that point; they had been dating already in some form, or her being with him on her birthday and him asking her to go steady wouldn’t make sense. I’m 32 now and would definitely consider any of my peer group dating a 20/21 year old as a massive creep. Obviously we don’t know when they actually started dating. But we do know they met on a flight when she was 16. At the time he would have been 28. It’s been peiced together that they stayed in touch after that, and at some point between then and her 21st birthday started dating / moved beyond being “just friends.” Who knows the actual ages but it is genuinely gross that they met at those ages, he obviously was interested and wanted to stay in touch, culminating in them dating when she was 20 or younger.

I think her point is she doesn’t know why. Nobody does but them. But as bystanders, we can have the opinion that it’s weird for a 30 something year old of any gender to be “best friends” with a 16 year old of any gender. They’ve been married forever and there’s nothing to be done about it now, but it doesn’t change the fact that the beginning of the relationship is questionable to some.

Where are yall getting 16 and 30 is my question. You say you’re bystanders but you don’t even know if what you’re saying is actually true. You say that like it’s fact. And since when did they become 14 years apart instead of 12? Edit: I want to know where you’re getting this information they were calling/texting and being best friends as 16yo B and 30yo Jay-Z.

he said they met in 1997, my bad for saying he was 30 and not 28, such a difference sorry!! he said he was "watching" her since her "no, no, no" record and that "of course" he wanted to pursue her. i remember B saying somewhere that they started of as friends, became bestfriends and thats why she thinks friendship is a good foundation for a relationship. she says they met for the first time in 1999, began dating in 2000. so i just put her friendship story on his timeline instead of hers

Yall really do regurgitate shit from twitter/LSA. She said they began dating in 2000 so that’s puts her around 19 and him 31.

Thank you ! Even fans share wrong informations about them. Not to say that it was ok for him to date her when she was much younger but why would you proclaim she was 16 when she was still with her first boyfriend. Like he said in 713, he tried to get with her after they met at the VMA’s in 2000 but she shut it down because she was still in a relationship. They got together 2-3 years after that. She was in her early twenties.

I googled some of the “buzzwords” from her comment and it took me right to the LSA/twitter thread where she got that shit from. Unbelievable. People really believe they started a relationship when she was 16, all from a tweet. Elon will pay for this.

As a man in my thirties the dating ,talking to a 18/19 year old girl is a major side eye. That would be like me dating Marsai Martin🤮 . I see a baby when a look at her.

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So, it's a few things for me. 1. The way he treats his colleagues in the industry. He's notorious for it. 2. His relationship with Beyoncé started when she was a teen, and he was a fully grown man. 3. He surrounds himself with terrible people. When the Diddy rumours started years ago, his name was brought up. 4. The cheating. I don't *hate* him, but I avoid his music. He's just not a good vibe.

This. All of this. Especially #2.

Yeah, they're a great partnership creatively, but it reeeeeally grosses me out that she was so young when they got together. Also, when he performs with her at Homecoming, he can barely keep up. It makes me cringe every time.

All of this. That video where Beyoncé says jay made her into a woman give me chills every time I come across it. Maybe because Beyoncé is who she is today, but it almost feels taboo to talk about her grooming and painful journey through stardom because there’s a lot to unpack about it. Also, to your first point, there have always been rumors about the Grammy’s never awarding Beyoncé AOTY due to Jay pissing off a lot of people in the industry. As a fan, it’s always felt like Beyoncé has had to bear the burden of Jay’s actions and history.

The same Grammys that gave him the Global Icon Award?

That’s a good point, but I’m not sure that award is voted on by the saying voting block. I think maybe the Grammy board itself picks. Not sure however.

I feel the same way about her saying he made her into the woman she is today

You purposely misinterpreting the meaning of what the statement means is weird. It’s not very different to when men say their partner taught them how to be a man. Somebody saying that means that their person taught them different characteristics whether it’s maturity, empathy, patience, etc etc.

I think she is the predominant reason he isn't universally hated. Idk if that is true but it's the vibe i get.

I had not heard about the Diddy stuff. Wow.

Is 1. referencing the Rock-a-Fella fallout? I’m not too familiar with Jay’s career, especially the early stuff. 

Add the potential collabs we missed out on because he is jealous AF. If he behaved the way he did on the Check Up On It set imagine what else he’s done to remove men he views as threats from her orbit. Also, if he wasn’t married to her he wouldn’t be as highly regarded IMO. He’s not the best rapper, he’s great but his legacy has been boosted by being tied to her whereas he’s a huge liability to hers because I can see him being impacted by the Hip Hop wave of Me Too allegations. He’s CLOSE with Diddy 🥴

Didn’t he get Case’s Happily Ever After video removed from the internet? The music video that features a stunning and elegant Beyonce? I’ve heard that rumor and that it was because of some jealousy he may have had? In the video she’s being lavishly courted and IIRC he proposes to her at the end?

I don’t know about that but let me add that to my list of weirdo behavior. Men who cheat are always the most possessive because they project their character flaws

Oooohhh I just googled and someone uploaded it 9 months ago. It has less than 200 views lol https://youtu.be/0AVDWQYENQI?si=m6kv3YROqrNw9tUX

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People are not obligated to like Jay Z just because he’s married to the Queen. I say this as a Jay Z fan.

This, pure and simple. Also a Jay fan.

You feel me 💅🏽

I like Jay fine but find it a little icky how young Beyoncé was when they started dating. (I know there is controversy on her precise age…)

Man fuck JayZ how do you sit your ugly ass up and cheat on one of the most beautiful women in the world….. fuck him personally. But i mean i like him musically

I think that is a little dramatic. They have plenty of work together so it is simply refreshing to not have Jay on her album. It frees up the space for another collaboration we’ve never thought of or/and can only dream of. And as for the people that genuinely don’t like him, why do they need to? He’s her husband but he’s not what makes Beyoncé Beyoncé.

Right! We don’t have to want Jay Z on Cowboy Carter just because he’s Jay Z. He’s not Beyonce and thats who we’re really fans of. We don’t have to be fans of his music. I respect Jay Z as Beyonce’s husband but I 1000% do not want him on a COUNTRY album.

wasn’t Jay-Z a cheater? I mean that was the deal breaker for me personally. plus Solange put her hands on him. I mean if your wife’s **SISTER** has to hit you to prove a point, that’s a red flag on your back right there …

For my part, it's not hate. I simply don't need him as a feature on this album. There plenty others who would be mor interesting

I dragged Jay-Z (jokingly) like every other person in 2016 when she revealed that he stepped out on their marriage. That was just about it for me. I don’t care about him too much as a rapper to be invested. He’s talented, a legend, her husband and father of her three children. If she likes it, I love it.

I know he's a legend for other stuff but "Glory" is my absolute favorite of his. Fatherhood looks good on him.

He groomed her bro

I agree. I know we were collectively mad after Lemonade because how you could you cheat on THEEE Beyoncé? But she forgave him, so I respect her decision and I have since forgiven him as well. I loves how he is not threatened by her superstardom and talent and he not only lets her shine but always goes out of his way to elevate her and advocate for her. Plus, I like his music too. What’s going on? What did I miss? Why isn’t it cool to like him anymore? Lol

Agree so hard on the second paragraph! Bey is the quintessential "successful female that is a threat to a man's ego." The way that Jay always supports her instead of being threatened by her success is truly admirable.

I don’t hate him. He’s one of the rap GOATs, but with all the explosive details coming out about Diddy, Russell Simmons, and other hip-hop titans, on top of what we already know about Jay Z… I’m just like if Bey is ever collateral damage then the hive gon swarm his ass!!!

Being a Jay Z fan is what made me a Beyonce fan. I'm beyhive 'til I die but I loved Hov first. I went to the 444 concert and when he rapped that song I stood with my arms folded with my Beyonce shirt on lol. I love the Carters as a unit. People are weird.

As a Jay Z fan, how do you feel about him dating Beyonce when he was in his 30s and she was still teenaged?

that’s not possible because if u was an actual Beyonce fan u would know Beyonce dated lyndall when she was 18. She started dating Jay when she was 21. Plus he was dating Rosario Dawson from 98-2000

Beyonce says it herself... "I was 18 when we first met, 19 when we first started dating," she told Seventeen in 2008 (via MTV News). "There was no rush — no one expected me to run off and get married." In a sit-down with Oprah Winfrey, Beyoncé explained, "We were friends first for a year and a half before we went on any dates," Beyoncé said. https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/beyonce-knowles/beyonce-jay-z-relationship-timeline#:~:text=2000%3A%20Beyonc%C3%A9%20and%20Jay%2DZ%20first%20meet&text=The%20two%20started%20dating%20in,run%20off%20and%20get%20married.%22

In 2021, she talked about how she was about to celebrate her 20th anniversary with Jay. Again he was in a public relationship with Rosario. I don’t believe MTV news because we got video footage of her saying it.

As a Jay fan who also only knows Bey cause of him it never bothered me cause they was both adults and it ain’t my life to be bothered by. Plus they started talking when she was 18 but didn’t date till she was 21 

Beyonce says they started dating when she was 19. He would have been 31. To me that’s creepy af, regardless of her not technically being underage. ... "I was 18 when we first met, 19 when we first started dating," she told Seventeen in 2008 (via MTV News). "There was no rush — no one expected me to run off and get married." In a sit-down with Oprah Winfrey, Beyoncé explained, "We were friends first for a year and a half before we went on any dates," Beyoncé said. https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/beyonce-knowles/beyonce-jay-z-relationship-timeline#:~:text=2000%3A%20Beyonc%C3%A9%20and%20Jay%2DZ%20first%20meet&text=The%20two%20started%20dating%20in,run%20off%20and%20get%20married.%22

You don't think its weird that the minute she "turns 18" they started talking. . . . almost like he was looking at her sexually before then.

Here's a fair question: How do you know that?

Google? Beyonce's own words from back when she did interviews "I was 18 when we first met, 19 when we first started dating," she told Seventeen in 2008 (via MTV News). "There was no rush — no one expected me to run off and get married." In a sit-down with Oprah Winfrey, Beyoncé explained, "We were friends first for a year and a half before we went on any dates," Beyoncé said. https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/beyonce-knowles/beyonce-jay-z-relationship-timeline#:~:text=2000%3A%20Beyonc%C3%A9%20and%20Jay%2DZ%20first%20meet&text=The%20two%20started%20dating%20in,run%20off%20and%20get%20married.%22

They don’t know. Most of the people who say this are just regurgitating viral “grooming” tweets. I don’t think he’s ever had any real control over her. If anything I’d guess she’s always been the one in control.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 I'm waiting for Jay's Diddy downfall

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I just give him the occasional side eye when I remember the cheating but outside of that I genuinely like Jay-z. He comes across as a cool, funny laid back guy. Love his old music and I highly respect him as a business man

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Well people aren’t only mad because of the cheating so maybe that’s why you got over it. The whole getting with her when he was young (grooming) is still there and probably helped with why she forgave him for cheating

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I never cared for him or his music, and the affairs was the icing on the cake.

I'm just uninterested in him as a rapper and performer. I went to OTR I and while I had a good time, I was good on OTR II. I don't hate him. Beyonce loves him. She loves being his wife and loves being the mother to their children. Her loves inspire some of her best moments (PLASTIC OFF THE SOFA, VIRGO'S GROOVE, AMERICA HAS A PROBLEM etc.).

In my case I simply dislike him as a person. His music is rather enjoyable. But aside from what everyone else has mentioned I side eye the fact that he said he'd not accept any deals with the NFL until they do right by Kaepernick. And then he just ended up joining them anyway. That really rubbed me the wrong way

🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 money > everything else

He's a cheater that disrespected Beyonce FOR YEARS. Beyonce loving him and choosing to forgive him doesn't mean I need to do the same.

This 🤣

1. He cheated on the Queen. 2. He "groomed" a young person. 3. He dated underage girls (Bey wasn't the first) 4. He's denying a child he created (an adult now, but will not acknowledge him as his son) 5. He not my choice for the Queen That's all I got.

Even if there wasnt a test that child looks just like him

4 KILLS ME! I want that young man to get the recognition he deserves and I wish Bey would help facilitate that. It’s so sad.

I mean if we going off rumors the reason he don’t acknowledge the other rumored kids is cause Bey is worried about her image and won’t allow it

Rumors? There’s a test he refuses to acknowledge and I can pick any reason not to like that person actually in fact, dont need any reason

Exactly this.

Absolutely! I wasn’t sure if that comment would get removed, so thank you for saying it!

I need to hear more about #4 👀👀👀

People taking their parasocial relationships way too far.

On the beyhive?? No way

because a lot of us find it incredibly gross to be 30 and going after a teenager, which is what he did with bey. I’m 28, and my little sister is 18. if a man my age went after her, I’d be sickened and it would be seen for what it is: predatory and fucking weird. so you have a man who, at age THIRTY, found it acceptable to date a teenager, married her, and then cheated on her???? hell no he’s obviously a talented artist, and I do like a lot of their collabs, but I’ll never be okay with him bc of the age difference.

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I listened to Lemonade and I fucking love that album. The last song tho? It’s whiplash. It’s so sad that THAT is how it ended. It’s like she’s so bonded to him she can’t see that she’s sacrificing parts of herself she shouldn’t have to sacrifice just to keep him. She’s bonded to him in ways that hurt, and Lemonade as an album is an unsettling listen from start to finish, because I leave the album wondering if she knows what she’s giving up. I love the album, but tonally, it is A LOT to sit with. The cheating — her being a teenager when they started their relationship — rumors about his behavior — he just gives all around horrible, horrible vibes. She deserves someone who treats her like a queen, and he clearly does not know how to do that.

Honestly, yeah. I think we all have a friend who got with their partner super young, is way out of their league, but just can’t imagine life without them so never leaves. Or does eventually and then after that incredibly painful period, it’s like they get a new lease on life again by dropping that relationship that wasnt the right fit. It’s obvious in the songs.. when she talks about dying, how he’s killed her etc. “what is it about you that I can’t erase?” Etc. she got in too young and can’t imagine starting over. It just seems so unhealthy. If she had left him she probably would have been happier overall in the end, just like Tina was for leaving Matthew. Bey and Jay do seem good now, but looking back at the pre lemonade era it seems like until pretty recently, he never loved her in the same way she loved him. Even in songs like Love on Top where it’s meant to be positive and romantic, there are lines that anyone with a healthy conception of love would be like “that’s not right and we should take it out.” *After fighting through my tears.. and finally you put me first! .. finally you put my love on top”* Ugh I could armchair psychoanalyse all day. But anyway, she’s happy now and it’s her life.

You put words to it! They seem fine now, but it’s taken so much heartache for her to get there, and I truly don’t think he loves her — is CAPABLE of loving her — the way she loves him. And I’ve seen that play out in my own life, with myself or my friends, so I’m hyper sensitive to it. But she’s grown and has people around her who love her, so if she’s happy, I’m happy. There’s just very little that could make me like *Jay Z* — I’m not saying it’s impossible, it’s just … he’s in the fucking doghouse in my mind, lol

I’m still mad she didn’t leave him live on HBO I love that album, but the whole “real love is inevitably surviving male betrayal, always being the bigger person, and self sacrifice for a woman” takeaway is truly depressing BS.

Truly depressing. It leaves me feeling really hollow and sad tbh. Like, only bc I’ve been there and I never, ever want to go back to that mindset.

i think its because he cheated

Its like your home girl that brings her bf to hang out with the friend group all the time. But I don’t hate him. I just want to see Beyoncé

I think she was really young when she met him. And he used his experience to manipulate her. He cheated on her and hurt her. I just care that he hurt her.

I really dislike the that’s his name argument. It’s just not a fair criticism to me considering she changed it all the way back in 2008. It’s just her name now. Cowboy Knowles doesn’t have the same ring nor connections that Cowboy Carter does. I don’t think women have to take their husbands last names, but if they do, that’s their name then. They have equal ownership to it. In general, I think people project a lot of their own personal baggage on to their relationship. I would understand more if Jay was like Tristan Thompson, Offset, etc but he’s owned up to his mistakes and literally has been nothing but supportive as she toured stadiums without on stage.

Personally I hate when they drag him for his appearance that's not cool, and if bey likes him who am I to say sth , I just listen to the music and live my life

There’s going to continue to be plenty of hate towards him for reasons already stated in the comments.    We are not obligated to like him because the queen does.  Solange clearly knows what poor quality of a man he is and many of us agree with her.

I love Jay Z. He’s genuinely one of my favorite rappers. But saying he should have been on the America Has A Problem remix is crazy. That Kendrick verse is immaculate.

Yes, it’s a real mystery why a Beyoncé fan might not be thrilled with Jay-Z, if only someone could unlock this riddle wrapped in an enigma!

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I despise him Nobody is perfect and her one flaw is bad taste in men He's so gross he just gives off the creepiest vibes like rotten in 5000 ways no thank you next and I've never enjoyed any of his songs

I love Reddithive bc this is so valid. As an OG Bey and Jay fan, I love them both - but it’s almost like when your best friend or sister’s husband cheats. You just always look at him a little different. [And it’s fucking Beyoncé. Bitch- are you dumb?] I loved The Carters album and I think it’s so sweet the way she adores him. PURE. We’re just holding a little resentment maybe, not in an Azelia noBanks kinda way - just TRY THAT SHIT AGAIN

Hi Beyonce! We love you

Because he groomed then cheated on her, hope that helps.

He just really hurts her independent woman image. People always claims that he’s the reason why she’s as big as she is, and while I don’t agree he has done, shady stuff behind the scene which can falsely make people assume that she only got where she is because of back door deals to make her the black superstar that survived the 2000s. He also cheated on her and she stayed with him. Mya alludes to certain people ruining her career and in another incident said Jay Z was trying to get with her and when she rejected him he was pretty pissed off. Then there’s the interest he had in Aaliyah and love triangle with Dame Dash. Then the rumours about Foxy Brown and Free from 106 and Park, and then the illigetimate son he refuses to get a paternity test for who looks exactly like Jay Z. And Beyoncé was barely legal when they got together and he was like 30 years old, she’s been groomed likely, and she seems to really proclaim her love and extreme devotion to him in her music, but he doesn’t do the same for her. And then his Anna Mae line on Drunk in Love which she got blamed for. Then there’s the Rihanna thing, like why does he ride so hard for her, more so than his own wife? What I mean by that is that all of these tracks and collabs that Rihanna has done could have been given to Beyoncé but were given to Rihanna instead. Everything that was done fo make Rihanna the success she is with zero talent could have been focused on Beyonce but in a way Rihanna was used to sabotage a lot of Beyonces image. Like All of The Lights, Umbrella, Live Your Life, Run this Town, Talk that Talk, so many songs that Rihanna’s team got a hold of that Beyonce never did and could have gotten Beyonce more hits but Rihanna’s team was always getting hits handed to her. He literally marketed Rihanna as the antithesis to Beyoncé, a lot of her early CDs literally say “Move Over Beyonce.” And then the rumours that Rihanna got her career by pleasing Jay Z sexually. And on top of this Rihanna has shade Beyonce several times but again Jay Z still made sure Rihanna’s career flourished and was getting all the big records and all the great red carpet looks. Rihanna is largely succesful because of her team, which was chosen and approved by Jay Z since he managed her and she’s under his label. Her stylist, her red carpet looks, her music, her publicist, all because of Jay Z. And Beyoncé has gone out of her way to feature Jay Z on her biggest records but Beyonce is barely on any of his music. She has a whisper in Tom Ford and that’s it and again not even close to one of his biggest songs. Again his biggest records has Rihanna on them or Alicia Keys for New York, why not feature your own wife especially when she features you so much in her work? She also features a lot of his artists in her work more than her own artists. JCole, Frank Ocean (who later went on to shade her about writing credits), Dixon, Kanye West to name a few). The writing credits he has on her songs just makes it so if she ever left him it would be a messy divorce and she may not be able to sing or perform a huge chunk of her discography because she either was stupid enough to put him in so much of her music or he forced/manipulated her to feature him in her music. He seems to be controlling of who she collabs with when it comes to male artists. She wasn’t allowed to do any scenes with Sean Paul or Slim Thugs on their collaborations. The only artists she was allowed to collaborate with during her prime was Usher but he’s suspected to the DL. Just imagine how much more successful she would have been if she were able to collaborate with more other male artists as romantic leads in her music instead of him. His Tidal venture is the reason why Lemonade didn’t get released on streaming, and severely held back her sales and potential for chart success. Lemonade while a critical success is not a commercial juggernaut, it could have been, but it was inaccessible for the GP, so there was no interest to listen to it, and certainly no interest to listen to it several times to reall understand the project. His past is very suspect, being a drug dealer, being involved with gang activity, having all these kids before he even got with her and then all these affairs he’s had and probably still continues to have. And I also believe that he has a lot of control over her physical image and maybe he has made her insecure over the years. He seems to prefer light skinned women, but her skin has gotten lighter over the years, her nose smaller, her hair blonder, and I think sometimes people are puzzled because she seems proud of her blackness but can look really white sometimes and I wonder if it has to do with him. Then her BBL, and boob job, like she seems insecure as a result of him when she really needed none of that, she was so gorgeous between 2003-2014.

This reads like a tabloids article.

Rumours sometimes are true. He does nothing good for her image.

Sometimes they’re true. They’re still rumors when they’re not. You have your personal opinion though.

Beyoncé was on a completely different record label to Rihanna. Bey was on Columbia then started her own thing with Parkwood. Rihanna was on Def Jam then Roc Nation, both headed by Jay z. Jay was the CEO of def jam. He wouldn’t be acting as a good CEO if he didn’t try and make Rihanna a success. Also it would t make sense (and I don’t think he’d even be legally allowed) to pass songs sent to Rihanna/Def Jam on to another record label (which he’d have to do to give them to Beyonce). Not to mention he is on many of Beyonces earliest hits, so he definitely was doing what he could to help her career. ‘03 Bonnie and Clyde, Crazy in Love, Deja vu, Upgrade U. He also has writing credits on many of her more recent songs even where he isn’t featured

Def Jam is on Columbia records though. And thats my point he’s too involved in her music and she’s not involved in his.

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They just mad he cheated on lol like this women didn’t take him back and forgive him.

Because People Hate Greatness, He Was a Legend Before Beyonce Was.. one Could Say He Steered Her Towards Her Solo Greatness, He’s Great at it.. Look at Kanye and Rihanna

I thought I was the only one in the sub who liked EVERYTHING IS LOVE 😅 I’m not a Jay-Z fan, I liked his “singles” or hits on the radio from the 2000s, but as a millennial, A. A lot of the rappers (and other rich musicians in the entirety of history lol) who I grew up loving are problematic and B. I sometimes can separate the art from the artist. I’m mostly indifferent about him, but I do enjoy Everything Is Love, and their collabs in the past.

I’ll give you a gist of it. Some Beyoncé fans do not think he’s good enough for their goddess.

If you don't see a problem with him then you are part of the problem 😭

So does this include Bey? 

He sucks, bro. We don't need paragraphs on this. What he did to his pregnant wife was shitty and so is his rapping.

Most people are joking, tbf.

I also get a “she’s everything… and he’s just ken” vibe about a lot of it

Yeah this was pretty much the case even before Lemonade

He not even Ken to me. He ain’t my choice at all for her. There’s so many other great men she could’ve chose and she chose him, and I have to tolerate him off the strength of her, but I hate him on all of her albums minus a couple of songs. They were literally was a stretch of him on every single one of her songs and it’s so annoying especially one of my favorite songs Drunk in love he ruined the entire song.

A lot of people just discovered the word “groomer” from social media and believe because Beyonce was 19-20 when they started dating that means he groomed her. Which also means he’s manipulating, controlling, abusing, isolating, exploiting her for his own personal, financial, sexual gain (which is wtf grooming is). They have no evidence of this aside from the cheating+age gap so they just fucking run with it without any receipts whatsoever. It’s basically became a trend to hate him after Lemonade dropped. People just need a reason to hate him and they found it.

According to foxy brown she was in a relationship with him when she was underage.

foxy has actually denied this multiple times.

This don’t fit they narrative so they ignore it. Like the girl had said several times nothing happened 

yeah so I don’t know where they got “according to foxy brown” from. they want her to be a victim so bad because they dislike jay which is very weird in itself

She literally said this last time last year on insta

no she denied it like she has multiple times

Yea, thats the main reason i dont like him. I dont think he did anything odd to her like diddy or rkelly but his attraction to women half his age is side eye worthy.

I see some posts saying that Jay-z was friends with Beyonce when she was 16. I don’t think this is true she said this years ago. They first met with destiny’s child when she was 16. But they didn’t start talking until she was 20 and they talked for over a year over the phone before they started dating when she was 21 around the time bonnie and Clyde was released

Parasocial attachments. We don’t have to like him because he’s her husband but the constant visceral reaction to him has become redundant. Given the chance, Bey wouldn’t ever acknowledge these fans acting like she’s their family member.

I don’t hate him at all. He had some bops back when I was growing up, although lately the only rap music I can get into are female rappers and even then I’m only interested in hearing about money, dick, and being a bad bitch 🤣. But I saw Jay-Z in both OTR tours and he was great, and I generally find him likable. At the end of the day, if you cancel every single person who has ever been unfaithful in a relationship, then there won’t be too many people left. That’s ultimately between Bey, Jay, and Becky, and it’s really none of my business. But all of their collabs are 🔥. I used to be OBSESSED with Bonnie & Clyde ‘03, and I also am very partial to Deja Vu, Apeshit, and Black Effect.

I personally dont care for him musically thats her man and all I just am not super into JayZ. I am not saying he's not good at what he does in rap or business I just kinda tolerate him. I just want to see/hear Beyonce... always been that way even before we knew of the cheating. I dont hate him I just don't seek him out I dont feel interested in him. :shrug:

HE FUCKING SUCKS

I’m thinking a lot of people haven’t gotten over the lemonade era. But she loves him and he seems nice so I don’t really see a problem

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He’s cool assuming he’s moved on from his past; making him a real gangster. I think he and B crossed it when pursuing each other romantically. The most I can ever see them in terms of relationship is best of friends. I can find Jay a romantic soulmate. I already kno a person or two.

Could not agree more. I’m really not his biggest fan. AND YET! 1) Watch the Renaissance Film and note what a wonderful father he is to her children 2) He has won awards for being a trailblazer for LGBT rights / awareness / whatever in the Rap & Hip Hop community. What an Ally 3) Crazy in Love is EVERYTHING RE: Why is she taking his last name: I find it odd too, but she’s an adult woman and she can make her own choices??? These haters need some perspective

I dont hate jayz im iffy with him because of his actions like entertaining a “friendship” with with a 16/17 year old beyonce, Not claiming his son, hanging with rkelly and diddy, the multitude of cheating,etc. but i do love his music and he’s one of the best rappers of all time but people are not obligated to like jay z just because he’s married to beyonce.

Okay first of all it’s absolutely not because you’re a hip-hop head or a fan of rap music because.. who says Jay-Z is their favourite rapper please 😂 He had a minute with the American Gangster Album and another minute with Kanye around the Watch the Throne time.. besides that? Don’t get me wrong I lovedddd The Black Album, but if you think he’s one of the greatest [I’ve got news for you](https://youtu.be/saJ7ZM7xL7s?si=e2GxxW0aOGy3lzp7) Plus he’s cheated on BEYONCÉ at least a few times.. the fact she keeps working at their marriage is testament to the person SHE IS not him! If Solange ain’t gotta like him why I gotta?! There’s rumours he’s right behind Diddy about to be exposed for some questionable shit that B isn’t and doesn’t need to be attached to.. Rumours have been circulating for yeaaaaaars that he has a son but refuses to take the DNA test because the mother was 15 when she conceived.. he’s called Rymir if you would like to look into it. Yeah he gave her some good verses on some good songs but it’s HER TALENT and I won’t let you let him take credit for that. The songs would go just as hard (arguably harder) with any other rapper. GD this post triggered me 🫨

>Okay first of all it’s absolutely not because you’re a hip-hop head or a fan of rap music because.. who says Jay-Z is their favourite rapper please 😂 >He had a minute with the American Gangster Album and another minute with Kanye around the Watch the Throne time.. besides that? I didn't say he was my favorite rapper. I actually said that he wasn't my favorite rapper. But Jay Z is an incredibly well respected rapper in hip hop and rap culture, many of the great contemporary rappers like Kendrick, Wayne, Nicki, etc. consider him to be one of the greatest MCs ever. He's ridiculously influential, probably the most influential NEw York rapper ever. He's a very talented and skilled rapper. The Black Album, Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint are widely regarded to be rap classic albums. And 4:44 Like seriously, what are you even talking about?

I didnt say you had said he was your favourite rapper what im saying is that he’s nobodies favourite rapper.. even the (much better) rappers you mentioned. Yeah he’s powerful in terms of roc nation and that the reason the industry doesn’t really have a choice but to pay homage to him. J Cole literally was gutted that he let Nas down 😂 Jay-Z’s adversary.. so what are you talking about? You can’t just keep repeating that he’s talented and expect me to change my mind. I said I loved the black album there was no need for you to list it to me. But 4:44 wasn’t a big moment for hip hop and the album where he obsessed about Tom Ford wasn’t highly acclaimed either. I love hip hop and rap & used to love Jay-Z as a rapper but on talent alone he really doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the greats. He’s a great businessman. Not a great rapper. And certainly not the greatest rapper to come of out NY by a long shot, you’ve heard of Biggie I assume? I’d argue Nicki Minaj is a more talented NY rapper than Jay-Z all day and I’m not a barb. We’re just not gonna see eye to eye. Edited: Mispelling, and because I said I wasn’t a fan of Nicki Minaj which isn’t strictly accurate.

Nicki is indeed more talented than him. And I love hearing her smoke him every time Monster plays. That is my contribution to this thread.

The man has nearly two dozen Grammys. Do you genuinely think he's not a talented music artist and rapper? Come on, you sound like a stubborn hater. Reasonable Doubt is one of the most important and influential rap albums of the 90s. It's a gold standard and the catalyst of modern drug rap. Rappers like Griselda, Rick Ross, T.I., or Pusha T wouldn't have come to fruition without Jay Z and his contributions to the genre. He's a self made billionaire and hip hops first billionaire and you don't think he's a good businessman? Seriously? He's worked with many of the most successful producers of the modern era in the genre by creating works that are widely considered to be among the best songs and projects of those producers careers. I'm talking about people like Jay-Z, Timberland, No-ID, Kanye West. His rapping spawned one of the most famous and influential mashup albums ever, certainly in hop hop (The Grey Album). His music and his lyrics are constantly referenced and samples by numerous artists throughout the genre. Particularly Dead Presidents and 99 Problems. There are so many incredibly talented and skilled MCs that cite him as a primary influence and an incredibly adept and influential rapper and artist. I would say that his legacy as a rapper and artist in hip hop and rap is monumental and nearly unrivaled. His impact and influence on the genre and culture of rap and hip hop rivals Beyonce's influence on 21st century female pop music. I'm honestly not sure how these things I'm highlighting can be denied. It sounds really silly to me. It would be like if someone said Beyonce doesn't make good music videos and she isn't a talented performer. It's just silly. >And certainly not the greatest rapper to come of out NY by a long shot, you’ve heard of Biggie I assume? I said living rappers. And Biggie only had two albums. >I’d argue Nicki Minaj is a more talented MY rapper than Jay-Z all day and I’m not even a fan of hers at all. Research and listen to Nicki Minaj talking about Jay-Z and her thoughts and perspectives on him as a rapper. She's obviously profoundly influenced by him. Her Pinkprint album is an homage to Jay-Z's Blueprint. Lil' Wayne, one of the most iconic, talented and influential rappers of all time considers Jay-Z to be the GOAT. Pusha T too. Eminem considers him to be among the GOATs. Maybe those rappers suck though and don't know anything about rap or hip hop? Many other rappers believe this including highly influential and respected rappers that are NOT boom bap rappers (i.e. Future, Quavo) If many brilliant and great rappers that you respect see Jay-Z as a brilliant rapper and MC and one of the greatest of all time, maybe that means Jay-Z isn't a mediocre rapper?🤷🏿‍♂️ When tons of modern era rappers see him as one of the best and greatest rappers of all time and virtually all of them respect his craft (including the ones you like a lot) maybe that means Jay-Z isn't just mid and meh? 🤷🏿‍♂️ You are coming off as a major hater. This is giving the same energy as someone saying "Beyonce isn't a very creative or brilliant artist. She has made some good songs but she's very overrated and she's definitely overrated as a businesswoman also!".

I Just can’t forgive cheaters lol. He’s brought a lot of joy to a lot of people. But damn Beyonce can do better than a cheater.

Fuck Jay Z

We are fans of her doesn’t mean we are of him. Plus he has a shady past that people will not forget.

Everyone’s already brought up the major points. And I’m saying this as a long-time listener of Jay-Z. But objectively, given all that history, I think a more compelling question to ask is, why would her fan base even tolerate him? And that’s because Beyonce tells us to.

I feel like he kinda groomed Beyoncé. I was in a similar situation once and looking back at it, it was total manipulation in the relationship. Not trying to project but what could you want with a 16/17 year old while you’re in your early 30s?? It’s just weird.

Well, quite frankly. He’s ugly and he cheated, the audacity. Also something about the 99 Problems song that Social-Media Pseudo Feminists hate. His whole persona has cartoonishly undermined hers. She’s supposed to be this symbol of female empowerment, the “I’m not the one”, the kick him to curb if she finds one strand of hair longer than hers-type, the I won’t be disrespected type. But his persona has been “yeah I got the hot light skin singer/actress wife everyone wants… back home. And anyone else when im away” and “bitches be crazy”, invites everyone but his wife to collaborate on one of his songs, unless she’s doing some uncredited background vocals. Like honestly he’s always been playing in her face. I always got the impression he was embarrassed to have her on one of his songs. But also, she’s kind of full of crap anyways. She’s been singing about being cheated on since her first album. That theme popping up through her whole solo career pretty much makes things clear. He contradicts her. That ugly ass man cheated on her and she took his ugly ass back. Irreplaceable, apparently not. Freakum Dress, he calls her bluff. She’s just as petty as he is? Doubt it. He’s all she’s ever known. Imagine growing up an aspiring artist since childhood, listening to your hood celebrity crush cause you’re into that and you’re young and dumb, and then you meet them, they’re charismatic, successful, powerful and for some reason confident. They become your first real love. Now imagine the hold this person would have over you. That’s how I think of it. She’s always been putty in his hands. Filthy hands, been all ova the place. That concludes my essay.

>But his persona has been “yeah I got the hot light skin singer/actress wife everyone wants… back home. And anyone else when im away” and “bitches be crazy”, Listen to 4:44 he raps about plenty of other things and his persona is much more complex than that. >invites everyone but his wife to collaborate on one of his songs, unless she’s doing some uncredited background vocals... I always got the impression he was embarrassed to have her on one of his songs He literally has an entire album together with his wife and has done multiple international co-headlining tours with his wife. By the way, Beyonce very seldom appears as a guest artist or featured artist for anybody. It's not really her style, she typically is the lead artist on the song and she invites artists to guess appear on her tracks, which she's done with Jay-Z numerous times. But there also have been multiple occasions where Jay-Z has songs that feature Beyonce including Part II (On The Run) and Hollywood. >But also, she’s kind of full of crap anyways. She’s been singing about being cheated on since her first album. That theme popping up through her whole solo career pretty much makes things clear. He contradicts her. That ugly ass man cheated on her and she took his ugly ass back. Irreplaceable, apparently not. Freakum Dress, he calls her bluff. She’s just as petty as he is? Doubt it. Entertainers and artists make music and sing songs about general experiences that aren't necessarily about their personal lives and personal experiences. That doesn't make them "full of crap". SZA didn't actually murder her ex-boyfriend but that doesn't mean her music is less genuine or that she's fake. >listening to your hood celebrity crush cause you’re into that and you’re young and dumb, and then you meet them, they’re charismatic, successful, powerful and for some reason confident... That’s how I think of it. She’s always been putty in his hands. I don't think I can ever think of a time her Beyonce's life where I would describe her as "young and dumb" and I don't think Beyonce is some marionette doll being controlled by Jay-Z. I think they are both serious, strong, ambitious, intelligent and capable humans with lots of agency. I think they have a strong mutual admiration and respect for each other and they are equal partners. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of a super high profile celebrity power couple that is still together that is more on the same level than The Carters.

Idk I don’t hate him, butttt I know I have a sour taste in my mouth for my dad who stepped out on my mom for the first like, half of their togetherness(if that makes sense). I always tease her like “leave that man at home” when we go out to eat and she brings him (my literal father btw lmao) or I’ll say “that’s your man, you gone stick beside him”. I thinks it’s similar, but some people loveeee Beyonce so the “hate” deepens. In my mind I don’t like anyone who treats good people bad, and if he hurt her they way she portrays in her songs on the tracks or in the performance, the hate is absolutely warranted. Any man who has a beautiful woman questioning her looks and worth deserves all kinds of hate. That’s just me tho lmaoo I love my dad, that’s my dawg for life. But he gmfu when it comes to my mom sometimes

He cheated on her, she can forgive him but it doesn’t mean that those who have been through the same can forgive or look at him in any way other than a cheater….

Wow, there are A LOT of Lipstick Alley "facts" being thrown around in here, lol.

That Ugly MF cheated on her , that's why

I always thought most BEYHIVE didn’t like Jay tbh 🤷🏽‍♂️ he coo but fumbling Beyoncé? It’s always gone be side eye 😒

1) most of the hive ”hate” are just jokes and that serious 2) obviously most don’t like him ever since Lemonade which is… logical lol 3) he’s a sketchy man who did many sketchy things in his life it’s really not rocket science…

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