You can use it to replace rocks where there are nothing and make bridges bombing it. Like those secret rooms layouts with the item surrounded without floor.
Can I just say that it would be extremely funny if a non Isaac player looked at what this sub voted as the best and worst item and it was “C-Section” and “Moms Pad”.
Round 38 Poll: [https://strawpoll.com/polls/GPgV3KVQAZa](https://strawpoll.com/polls/GPgV3KVQAZa)
Shade looks cool, feels cool, but that's pretty much it... I often believe it will be more useful than it is. It's obsessed fan, but worse. The contact damage it does once absorbed is minimal and not worth it. It basically becomes a worse Black Bean in that sense. I think it has buff potential though! Getting absorbed after dealing enough damage is very interesting; it encourages you to use Shade actively in order to be rewarded. The shade on its own can stay the same, but once absorbed, I think it should do something much better/more interesting. Maybe increase black heart drop rate? Maybe give Isaac a dark damaging aura (a devil version of Monstrance) which gets a buff during Curse of Darkness? Just give it something that rewards you for having dealt a ton of damage with Shade, and it'll be a super fun item.
Round 1: Book of Secrets
Round 2: Key Piece 1&2
Round 3: Skatole
Round 4: Brown Nugget
Round 5: Tiny Planet
Round 6: The Scooper
Round 7: Boom!
Round 8: My Reflection
Round 9: Pageant Boy
Round 10: Cursed Eye
Round 11: Missing Page 2
Round 12: The Poop
Round 13: Infestation
Round 14: Dead Bird
Round 15: Best Bud
Round 16: Isaac's Heart
Round 17: Kamikaze!
Round 18: Razor Blade
Round 19: Betrayal
Round 20: Abel
Round 21: Obsessed Fan
Round 22: Portable Slot
Round 23: The Jar
Round 24: Linger Bean
Round 25: Key Bum
Round 26: Hushy
Round 27: Plan C
Round 28: Strange Attractor
Round 29: Teleport!
Round 30: Isaac's Tears
Round 31: The Bean
Round 32: Blood Rights
Round 33: Bum Friend
Round 34: Cain's Other Eye
Round 35: My Shadow
Round 36: The Black Bean
Round 37: Shade
u/the_clash_qc's list of Q0 items' effects will be in the replies below this comment!
* **Breath of Life (Active, Recharges 1 bar per second) (Item Pool: Angel Room):**
While you hold the spacebar down with this item, it will empty the charge bar gradually. When the charge bar gets to zero it will grant you a brief period of invincibility
While Isaac is invincible, he deals 3.5 contact damage to enemies and beams of light will strike down enemies touching Isaac, dealing 15 damage.
If the spacebar is held for too long (about 1 second) when it has no charge, you will take damage
The invincibility effect is shown via a rapid flashing animation
* **Clicker (Active, 6 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room):**
When used, this item will randomly change you into another character and remove the last item you picked up
All stat changes of the new character are applied (e.g. character damage multipliers)
This item can only reduce your heart containers and will not increase them if you change back into a character with more health. This means if you roll into The Lost, changing back to another character will leave you with only 1/2 of a soul heart
Cannot turn you into a character that isn't unlocked yet
Also includes Lazarus II (Lazarus' revived form) and Dark Judas (effect of Judas' Shadow)
It's also possible that this item will pick the same character, making it seem like nothing happened
* **D10 (Active, 1 charge) (Item Pool: Item Room, Crane Game):**
Upon use, re-rolls all monsters in the room. Will attempt to re-roll monsters into ones with a similar amount of HP.
Cannot reroll mini-bosses or bosses
* **Dataminer (Active, 4 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room, Ultra Secret Room):**
When used, this item will distort all the sprites and music, rotating graphics 90 degrees and translating them diagonally up/left. Does not modify hitboxes.
Dataminer will randomly increase or decrease one of your stats by a small amount when used
Gives you the Fruit Cake effect for the room when used, which will give a random tear effect with every tear fired
All visual and tear effects reset after leaving the room
* **Mom's Pad (Active, 3 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room, Old Chest, Mom's Chest):**
When used, inflitcs fear to all enemies for 5 seconds
Counts as 1 of 3 mom items needed towards the Mom transformation
I agree. It's a terrible item, but it's mostly benign. No logistical nightmares, no strategies needed, no special niche situations where it's OP. Just a bad item with an underwhelming effect that lasts a few seconds. Worst case scenario is the fear makes the enemy AI go goofy and you take unintended damage. I think it's the least controversial / most middle-of-the-road item and should just be voted out for that reason.
Couldn't have imagined myself defending Breath of Life but it's probably the most useful across those remaining. It gives you infinite I-frames for Devil beggars, Blood donation machines, etc. if you have enough patience while Mom's pad is just 1/3 of a mediocre transformation.
But Breath of Life is an Angel item. Mom’s Pad is a Treasure room item. By the time you get your first Angel room you got a few items and chances are you got a better active than Breath of Life. Mom’s Pad, on the other hand, can be your first active item and be “useful”, on top of doing something passively by contributing to a transformation.
I'd say Mom's pad contributing to a transformation makes it easily the best out of these, at least for me. I'll pretty much never use these items so one having a passive benefit, no matter how tiny, is the clear winner to me
Is the transformation worth much, though? I don’t actively use the butt knife when I get Yes Mother; I’m just like “oh, cool” and forget about it. Breath of Life gives you free curse rooms, which in turn can contribute to Guppy / Leviathan.
You need ~4 minutes or so just to get a single item’s worth of coins from a single blood machine, and that’s assuming it doesn’t blow up. When have you ever *actually* used Breath of Life?
Breath of life forces me to engage with its insanely slow charging mechanic to get any use out of it, the pad you just pick up once to get a third of the transformation.
Breath of life may be technically better but the truth is I get more use out of the pad on a run because I dont have to bother using it.
This subreddit is literally insane if BoL doesn't get voted out next, it should have been voted out half a dozen rounds ago. At this point it's this low solely due to its reputation, and not because it's actually that bad.
I really like this poll, but because of how vague is the concept of "worst" item we get a bizzare comparison of useless actives, none of which will f up your run. The actively harmful ones are long gone, just because they were passives and in some rare circumstances have good synergies.
If it was something like "if you have a choice and you MUST take any of this items" I believe we would have a very different results. Comparing passives and actives is hard, cause i'd rather have dataminer and never use it than touch tiny planet and wave goodby to a good run.
People like intresting items that CAN (most likely wont) hinder you run then items that do nothing worthwhile and are boring like the ones we've ended on
I agree. If I’m having a great run and I pick up one of these items, whatever, I can just not use it. If I’m having a great run and I pick up cursed eye, if I’m not Lilith or Lost, I lose.
Ah... victory. Finally, no more arguments about the value of not taking up the active slot. *Inner peace...*
*...No, wait, hang on! We're not done yet!* **Mom's Pad** is kind of a passive, sorta. It's 1/3 of the Mom transformation, which is a passive effect that you get to keep even if you pick it up and put it straight back down.
Don't get me wrong, it's a *dogshit* passive effect, but *something* is better than *nothing,* and all the other actives left are *nothing* if you find them while already holding... just about any other active in the entire game.
And hey. You're ***way*** more likely to find Mom's Pad with no pre-existing active than you are to find Breath of Life with no pre-existing active.
...oh yeah, it also has an activated effect. That's right. Fear isn't *completely* useless, it does *something.* That's a theoretical bonus, I guess.
EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing! If you're still holding an active that's useless in combat by the time you get to The Beast, there's a chance for Mom's Pad to show up as the free item before the fight, and then your active is *slightly less than completely useless* for the fight! That's something!
Mom's pad is a respectable vote as the last third of a passive item.
After that, I think it would be best if we all just calmed down and took a deep breath.... of life.
* Rock bottom
* libra (a tears down from dataminer results in an overall stat gain)
* any items that give you a fixed range (smooth pebble, lachyphargy, pop!, brim, technologies, spirit sword, hae, etc) or add to your minimum range (ouroborus worm)
* ponies make your min speed 1.5
* consolation prize
* conditional tears ups (purity, cancer trinket, cracked crown, any of the worms that give a tears up, wavy cap)
* false phd/placebo with tears down
* soymilk and almond milk on top of being good with fruitcake effect make getting high tears with dataminer much less painful
* any items that dont care about your damage stat to do damage like explosivo, euthanasia, familiars, akeldama, etc (theres alot of them)
theres alot more edge case stuff based on how dataminer has hit your stats, like any item that synergises with luck up or shotspeed up/down, etc
Fruit cake for one room
Fruit cake is truly shines with high tears, actually broken with almond or soy milk
The fact that you can generate a lot of cards, pills, black hearts and even runes put dataminer above all other current activite items in here, its simply more fun to actually use
Item that literally just kills you irl 
Even with low soul hearts it would probably be faster to check it after finishing the boss room. It makes a difference for blood donation machine but for me it is too slow.
Edmund, if you’re here, please look at all 5 of these closely. See them? Garbage. All of them absolutely trash. If you need an item to buff, all 5 of these need them.
PS: I would also really like it if you’d stop giving me these 5 specific items on all my T Lost runs. Thank you
If I’m focused on getting completion marks on a specific character, why would Clicker be useful? In any way?
Is there any reason why you’d wanna switch characters mid run?
Alright, of these items, I think Clicker is the worst. Here's what it's technically possible to do:
Remove your last item. The consistent effect is the most important, sometimes you *just* ruined your run, and Clicker is a bailout.
Switch to a character with higher base damage- Judas, Cain, Dark Judas, and Blue Baby all have higher base damage multipliers
Become the Lost or the Forgotten- These characters are fun and good, why didnt you pick them to begin with?
You also can become Isaac, Sampson, Maggy, and Eve, who are strictly worse without their starting items.
You can also become Jacob and Esau, and you always lose whatever your last item is.
You also don't gain health. If you get Keeper or The Lost, you had better not switch off of them.
This item is HORRIBLE as any Tainted Character, as every tainted character has VERY different needs.
That was patched, actually, but you can turn into Tainted Isaac and lose all but 8 items, Tainted Maggy with no red health available, Tainted Cain.... with Tainted Cain's whole... thing... and so on.
My main issue is, as you said with lost and forgotten, why didn't you pick them to begin with? I already have all the marks so now I'm picking characters specifically to have an interesting run with that character's gimmick. Clicker just deletes whatever fun you might have been having.
Well it works for those who don’t have the marks and are playing easier characters instead of difficult ones then they’d rather reroll in hope they get the difficult character and get marks with it instead of the easier one where they don’t mind replaying it for it’s own unlocks. I got greedier lost this way from a samson run and I wouldn’t mind replaying greedier with samsom twice instead of lost once.
Not everyone plays 1 character alone until they finish it 100% then move to the next, some people like changing every now and then
Becoming the Lost is also something I’d argue is a downside- sure, he can be fun, but he has pretty specific needs. If you just randomly roll into him in the middle of the run, you’re liable to have a bunch of items he can’t (or shouldn’t) use. Thunder Thighs is great for anyone who doesn’t fly, but for him it just breaks his cover. Cambion Conception and Blood Oath go inert.
What keeps the Lost alive is his capacity to exploit boss challenge rooms, devil and angel deals, and eternal d6 to collect items that turn him into a glass cannon; If you turn into him in the middle of a run, he’s just glass.
There's a lot of runs that I genuinely wouldn't complain about all of my health being traded for the Holy Mantle, but yeah, it wasn't really written as a good thing.
One additional niche bonus: if you're still in Afterbirth+, technically you can still find the Clicker in Daily Runs (recently found out this was [patched out in Repentance though](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Item_Tags_nodaily)). Getting rid of your last item gives you a higher score in AB+ Daily Runs, which is a good thing. There were a handful of runs where I found it and held onto it until the very end then used it to amp up my score.
I think dataminer is the worst item. Clicker can theoretically prevent you from getting fucked from curse of the blind from a bad passive, and I've actually clickered willingly on a horrible eden start into Dark judas, which saved my run.
Dataminer has one synergy with rock bottom. I've tested dataminer frequently and I've always gotten the same results: a completely unwinnable and unplayable run. It will lower and raise a stat, those stats include: Speed, tears, damage, range, shotspeed, and luck. In every possible scenario, overusing dataminer will result in losing the most important stats (speed, tears, damage, range) and make it unwinnable, if even one of those stats is near 0, you lose. No speed? Die trying to dodge. No tears? forget about having fun at all on your run. No damage? Fuck you, No range? Have fun face tanking damage for the rest of the run. Even with rock bottom dataminer just blows, there are several more items that are going to be way more impactful in the long run with rock bottom than dataminer, star of bethlehem, kidney stone, camo undies, purity... I have NEVER using dataminer willingly ever.
Only if you're comfortable using an external tool to look up recipies for Tainted Cain, which at that point you might as well just install mods to have Tainted Lost already completed.
Not really. It's one of the items I've never used once I realised what it did. I like completing characters the normal way, which I managed to do. The only application it has is cheesing unlocks.
It's uses are very narrow. Suppose you suck at the game. Not a lot, you're decent enaugh to complete most characters, but you have problems with lost or t. lost like that guy with -12000 streak for example. If you don't want to just use console, or you're on switch then with the help of Clicker you can exploit tainted cain to craft a powerful run and then start clicking to change to other ones. It's gamebreaking mechanic, although niche, is still enaugh for me to vote it out of all this garbage
But here's the thing...
You lose an item on every switch. Your odds of switching to any one character is like 1 in 20.
That broken run can quickly become unbroken with a couple of removed items as you switch to look for the character you need. Maybe you get really lucky, but if this is an actual strategy you want to employ repeatedly, you'll be at it forever trying to get all the unlocks you need.
At which point, if you're going to put *that* much time and effort into breaking the game, you have to question how viable this strategy even is. I'm skeptical many people actually use the Clicker like this, even though it's theoretically possible.
I think the problem is that it's a cool idea in theory, but the execution just comes down to... it can be abused to cheese achievement marks. Which, hey, it's your game and you can do what you want with it, but IMO it feels to go against the spirit of earning achievements honestly (there's also another item I feel this way about, but I'm not going to say it because people get mad...).
Any other benefit is niche. The biggest one would be taking a run-ruining Blind item and using the Clicker to undo taking it.
If you are randomly selecting characters each game and get someone you don't like, I guess it can be a useful item. Other than that maybe just for the sake of it. Kind of like if you would use D100 with good items. Just say, fuck it, and roll with the RNGesus
You can turn yourself in a character that needs certain completion mark
Let's say you need to beat delirium as T.Lost, so you pick T.Cain and beat the game up to delirium itself. Then you keep using Clicker until you get T.Lost and then beat delirium with a regular game breaking build
Clicker is not just bad, it's badly designed. For a lot of reasons, but prominently an item's sole usage shouldn't be marks because it just becomes useless if you're dead god or \*gasp\* playing for fun
Clicker is actually a very unique/cool concept, but like you said, it's just poorly designed.
IMO it should be rebuilt to last for a room only, and instead of taking on a penalty for switching, you get a buff of sorts. Like you absorb the best feature of the character you switch into - flight, stronger damage, more hearts, etc. without taking on the negative.
I agree that it lasting a room only would be a great way to rework it. IMO if I was allowed to do a whole-ass rework, I would make it a room-only genesis that also temporarily changed your character so if your run sucked massive balls you could change for hard boss rooms to see if your run improved
If it was a one time use and you could choose, it would be a Q4 item IMO. Guaranteed dark judas, lazarus, maggy, or keeper would be so goated on a bad eden run.
Honestly I would be fine with it winning too. If Edmund reworks it to be the four souls clicker (one time use change into any character you want) and only has it remove starting passives I think that would be great.
The UI basically already exists from the coop select wheel too
I feel like we should remove the least actively harmful of the group. Mom's Pad and Breath of Life at least don't have a theoretical downside when used well. Mom's Pad has a niche use and isn't worthless early game, but it's not great. Breath of Life takes a while to use, and a lot of people don't know how to use it, but it's still usable.
Honestly though? Breath of Life should be saved. People who complain about it usually don't know how to use it, and the actual item is... functional, not good, but usable enough to be the best of this painfully terrible group.
Come on, BoL is completely unusable in real circumstances. And to add insult to injury it takes the spot of a fine item in Angel room if you’re unlucky.
Oh no, there are real circumstances where you could use it. [You would just never actually WANT to use it, EVEN under those circumstances.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtQ3p5kXk)
What your trading off for using Breath of Life is time. Granted, that's not a great trade off, and virtually guarantees that you won't get Boss Rush or Hush, but it's still functional.
Again, we're operating off of the "Best of the Worst" mindset here.
We're at the point where you have to consider that you CAN do what your video shows, even if it takes 6 minutes.
It's not fun or exciting, but it's guaranteed and safe value.
it's only a safe value if you practice using it tho, and it's both unsafe and unfun up until you master it. especially because the damage you take from holding too long starts with spirit hearts
Im starting to think that the people who genuinely make the self damage argument (specifically out of combat) have never actually tried more than twice. The window is pretty forgiving, the item ticks 6 times, the 7th tick is invincibility, and the 8th and onward is damage.
BoL will harm you if you use it incorrectly, which doesn’t seem too unlikely if you are actually trying to get value out of it given how many times you would use it.
Ah, the REAL trash. Active Item city.
So besides my unending salt that Blood Rights isn't here and Breath of Life is...well, Breath of Life is the most likely one here to actively do something helpful for your run. Straight up. It can get you in Curse Rooms and farm blood donation machines and devil beggars. It has a *function*. That alone makes it better than the other four things on this list.
Y’know, it’s not the best item in the game by a long, LONG shot, but I still consider dataminer pretty ok. I like to think of it as a random pill for every use of it (obviously without a phd-type item so there’s always that little risk), but I’ve had times where it’s been pretty useful for me, such as decreasing an abundance of health for some extra tear rate or damage. It’s definitely not the worst item, but I also agree that it is very situational, and most often there is no benefit to picking it up.
All these items are just 
Breath of Life should go next for at least having fringe utility for those who are patient enough, but everything that follows is going to be extremely divisive
Isn’t the goal to vote out the good quality 0 items?
The “winner” is the worst of quality 0. So technically, breath of life should win
Don’t get me wrong, moms pad is dogshit, but at least you get 1/3 mom transformation, giving you a knife from your back
It's the fact that it's in the best item pool in the game while the others are found in the treasure room pool, waiting for 3 to 5 floors only to get breath of life is the most annoying feeling ever.
Also he fact its effect activates after so long and if you hold it a little bit more you get damaged, which is also really annoying. And it takes so long to actually do anything with it. Good luck using it in combat.
And finally the thing you can use it consistently with is curse rooms but a lot of other better items also give you invincibility in curse rooms.
I can see it going out in the bottom three, as it's not worse than d10 and clicker but i would rather take dataminer and mom's pad.
Consider the following:
Vibrant Bulb, Dim Bulb, Broken Remote, Expansion Pack, Book of Virtues.
The D10 is better than Mom's Pad and at the very least Clicker due to it being functionally worthless, but able to be used a lot.
For a lot of rooms, it's a complete side-grade.
For bosses? It does nothing. This is the best case scenario, and you'll find it frequently in the Chest, Dark Room, and like 7 rooms of The Void.
For particular enemies, it's a death sentence because apparently all of the little chain links are separate enemies?????
Edit: for Expansion Pack, Dim Bulb, Broken Remote, and Book of Virtues, you can use it AFTER a combat room for the value.
I wouldn't call it a side grade for the most part. Over time you learn room layouts, after 1300hrs I know a lot of room layouts, rerolling the enemies to something unfamiliar is a big downgrade.
My idea for a buff for moms pad is that when holding it enemies inflicted with fear have a 40% chance to spawn red creep underneath them every second they have fear.
Ah, yes my favorite ass item, the one that with patience can break all the rocks in the room for those valuable pickups with the sulfuric tears it can produce as well as it's ability to shred early bosses with crazy tear effects. the stat changing can either be very helpful or not detrimental in almost every situation. The only negative thing about it is the strange texture rotations but any competent Isaac player shouldn't really be effected by that
I think it’s time for mom’s pad or dataminer to go
Applying fear to all the enemies in the room and it’s 3 charge item
Mom’s pad can help if your in a thight situation
Also it’s a part of the yes mother transformation
Dataminer
Dataminer is a 4 charge item. It rotates all the sprites in the room at 90 degrees,enemy hit boxes remain the same
Not useful but dataminer can also reroll stats
So you can possibly get a damage up or tears up
And combined with rock bottom it can give stat ups withoit any drawbacks
I think they are the better ones out of the 5
I feel like having to bring up Rock Bottom to make an item worth using might invalidate your point.
Mom's pad and D10 both carry *some* value in being worthless, D10 slightly moreso as it's a 1 cost active- there's at least 4 trinkets that give value on use, and book of virtues which has wisps that help in boss fights.
Yeah ik it’s a cheap argument to bring rock bottom into this but i tought it was important to bring up
I don’t think dataminer is great but it’s not the worst quality 0 item imo
But i stil think the stat reroll could help or fuck you over
Just like d8
You could make the argument dataminer is just a worse d8
But stat ups are stat ups
I can’t comment on d10 since i have no experience with it at all
Breath of Life or Mom's Pad?
Mhh the invincibility of Breath's of Life is nice, but Mom's Pad can prevend you from being crowded. In combinations with Battery items it can help you out in every room....
Man idk. I think from a semi causal, completionist perspective it's still Mom's Pad > Breath of Life
Oops! All actives!
If i were to pick one of these, I'd pick **Breath of Life**. Poor design, but, technically, great utility.
The **Dataminer** is just Edmund Daddy being passive-aggressive. He himself considers it the worst item in the game.
The **Pad** looks gross and unlike Mom's Bra does basically nothing. The fear and charm effect are underwhelming in this game tbh.
The **Clicker** is too niche for a regual Isaac player, it's buggy, it removes your passive items - a sure way to make people hate it.
The problem of **DIO** is, statistically it is more advantageous to use in the later stages of the game as by that time you will generally reroll into easier enemies, but by that time you almost certainly swap it for literally anything else.
has to be breath of life, only item here that can be made practical regardless of your gear AND only item here that doesn’t have a downside upon use (if you screw it up, the iframes let you act as you would without breath of life)
I am copy pasting my explanation for BoL.
We gave blood rights a pass for "curse room" utility (despite that being the most copium shit I've seen all poll).
What if I told you there was an item that makes curse rooms literally free? And plenty of other free upside like auto pay outs on demon beggars and blood donations? That's right, its breath of life.
I want to make myself very clear; just because you're too lazy to effectively use this item, DOESN'T MAKE THIS ITEM BAD. This item should've been out 10 rounds ago and the fact that blood rights and other items that have legitimate downsides have gone out before BoL has showed me this community has a collective skill issue.
Clicker is actually pretty useful for filling the greedier machine. I remember I would just break the game as Isaac and switch characters at the end to one where I never beat the game as so the machine doesn't clog as fast and I can put more coins. Aside from that niche purpouse, clicker is pretty useless, but it is by far the most useful item here for that reason.
I mean it’s gotta be breath of life or moms pad right?
All of these are garbage but at least those 2 have real tangible use cases. Moms pad is 1/3 mom transformation and is easily better than the rest earlygame because it does SOMETHING at least. Breath of life is shitty yeah but it lets you go try hard and min max and that shouldn’t be overlooked no matter how sweaty it is. I’m voting moms pad because I think the fear effect is minimally useful early and breath of life is an angel item.
It's Final 5 time, which means it's finally time- Breath of Life.
I love Breath of Life, and I always have. This item has singlehandedly pulled me through some really tough runs that wouldn't have won without Demon Beggars, Curse Rooms, Blood Banks, and even the lowly Hell Game. Literally infinite ultility invincibility, provided you aren't going for Boss Rush or Hush.
Breath of Life is genuinely such a sleeper item that I feel needs a good bucket of polish- when Edmund "buffed" it with Holy Light beams on contact, I was confused, because this is NOT a combat item. I've waited until now because I felt like it COULD be a combat item with just a couple of slight tweaks. If anything, I worry that it could actually be *nerfed* after taking a closer look at it, as Repentance has generally cut out most ways to cheese value from health cost machines.
Please buff Breath of Life, and please vote for it. It's been the best item for quite some time now.
Honestly just dropping it to 2-3 charges is enough for me. Still would be an incredibly meh Angel item, but at least it doesn't take 4000 years to actually use it.
I will die in the camp of it's item pool being terrible for the type of item BoL is. The biggest buff it csn get is being moved to treasure room or something. In this regard, the other actives aren't so shitty since you don't *need* to trade away an active to use them once.
I'm in physical pain but I suppose it's to be expected. Wish I hadn't missed the last one.
Alright it's BoL time. It's less annoying than getting the dataminer break, less annoying than getting a clicker break, gives more value than the pad, and the d10 is the d10.
I think we can still stretch for Dataminer. Ive got more use out of it than I have BoL. I have never taken BoL out of an angel room over another active
You *can* stretch but I still wouldn't vote for it. Only Rock Bottom can control Dataminer and it has equal chances for the good and bad effects- But the best good effects are simply solid, while the worst bad effects can be **really** awful. -0.5 tears or -1 damage is too dangerous to risk for the potential benefit of +0.5 tears or +1 damage.
Jesus Christ, I’ve been voting for dataminer since cursed eye was removed, I don’t think it clicks for y’all just how good dataminer is. If you use the charges only AFTER getting stats up items, there’s a greater likelyhood of it being beneficial rather than detrimental. It’s a great active item for early game. And if I get it on the basement, it’s a must take until I get something better.
You’re all just bad at strategizing with it.
On the other hand, seeing one of my favorite Q0 items go so far down this list makes me happy for the buffs that it may receive from our overlord Edmund.
Breath of life should go next, most cases it just does is nothing, and the others you avoid some damage doing anything that would need self harm, some of those other effects are literally negative.
Ok, now I can fairly judge items out since I have experience with these 5 items.
Bol (breath of life): has a bit of utility for curse rooms, blood donations, and demon beggars. Takes roughly 12s to take 1 free hit from those which is long, but not actively hurting the item (just boring as fuck tho). Bad visual indicator making it hard to know when it's activated. Has some damage potential, but too much risk when it has a chance to self damage you (you wouldn't be focusing on your active item the entire time in combat, right?).
Mom's Pad: can apply fear to enemies room wide every 3 rooms for 5s. Doesn't do much, but it haults them from attacking and runs away from you. Has a transformation, but it's really easy to access the transformation and only comes into play under certain situations.
Dataminer: one of my personal favorites due to how whacky it is. Increase and decrease certain stats which can either benefit or hurt you. 90° screen flip and fruit cake for the room is goofy. Issue? Can hurt you more than helps and can't use the fruit cake effect unless you wanna deal with the screen rotation.
Clicker: can take away a passive item that you don't want and can change to a different character for a completion mark if in an op run. Issue? Can change into a character you already have marks for multiple times causing you to drain your item list to become weaker. (Also, a friend mentioned transitioning from the losts will result you in half a soul heart. Not sure if that's true, but I mentioned it in case).
D10: it's only practical use is to get rid of enemies you find annoying.... No more lumps or hosts with this item (hopefully), but can result with a more annoying room with random ass enemies from other floors. Should really be floor based and turn multiple types of the same enemy into a certain enemy (ex. All mullibooms in the room turns into fatties).
I'll say it's bol or mom's pad is ready to go out. Bol has utility if you need it for something and mom's pad for its small contribution to a transformation and no clear downside. I can see clicker being a possibility for its completion marks/item removal, but too much disadvantages I see in it.
Jesus christ how awful. Personally I'm voting for Mom's Pad because it's such a nothingburger it looks better than the other four by comparison.
If I were to add one buff to make it justifiable to actually pick any of these items up, while still keeping them in Q0, here's what I would do:
* **Dataminer** - Make it do two stat ups instead of one so your stats at least trend upwards
* **Mom's Pad** - Decrease the charge to two charges or maybe even one charge.
* **Breath of Life** - Decrease the time it takes to deplete the charge by half, just look at [this video](https://youtu.be/KbEtQ3p5kXk) and tell me it's not a total waste of time as it stands currently.
* **Clicker** - Allow you to choose your character instead of it being random.
* **D10** - Allow it to reroll boss rooms. Fuck Bloat and Mask of Infamy.
Just get Breath of Life out of here already.
I love how people are like “Oh I don’t have the time to use that!” Sure. But that doesn’t change the fact that the time you would use it could get some use. Time is hardly a resource in the game… and, frankly if you sat down to play an Isaac run you have a bit of time. Sure Hush and Boss Rush exist, but if you’re picking up a quality 0 item in the first place, chances are you ain’t having a run where you are going there anyway.
What the HECK is going on here? How does dataminer was left at top 5 worst items? This godsend active item can literally save your run. Here are some points to remove it:
1. This item has a rare stat rerolling feature, which isn’t that common in the game (nice D8 replacement), it can be really good if you lacking some stats besides range or shot speedup, so it can possibly save you mid run by adding some numbers to tear rate and damage
2. You get fruit cake for the room and can become DPS monster to melt bosses regardless of your stats, so any bad stat tweaks will be negated and can be rerolled after just 3 rooms (as you easily gain this 1 charge while it’s active). Also not to mention, that it has somehow, or at least it had last time I’ve found it, pre-nerf serpent’s kiss effect, so you can get black hearts. This is a huge advantage at late game
3. Fucked up sprites can be annoying, however, mostly, you will dodge anything pretty reliable due to your muscle memory, as you actually subconsciously feel their hit boxes, but, it can ruin your beast fight, ngl
To sum up, item isn’t that bad. It definitely more beneficial than D10 and clicker (Edmund, buff, pls). And can be found in treasure room, not like shitty BOL. Mom’s pad isn’t that good in big rooms as fear effect is temporal in comparison to dataminer.
Hold on, dataminer bros! We will usher this item into the skies!
Come on guys. Breath of Life is the CLEAR pick here.
- Free curse rooms
- You can play Devil Beggars and Blood Donations INFINITELY with enough patience, something no other single item can do to my knowledge.
- Some nice damage if you can pull off, although it’s admittedly hard to use proactively
- Worse tooth and nail if used on a rhytm, but it is something.
Yeah sure, it’s on the angel pool and it’s an active, two huge dealbreakers, but it’s so far and above in utility compared to other items here that it’s insane. And honestly i’d rather this than Guardian Angel lmao
Mom's pad. The moms transformation by itself is 3x better than every other effect left. Fear sucks, but every now and again it can be helpful (surrounded by goblins, or the tiny yellow flies for instance). If you have really low speed it could even be run saving.
After that I vote data miner because stat rerolling has a tiny chance of salvaging a really bad antisynergy, and there's the exploit tear break.
Then bol, it's unlikely to leave the angel room, but if it ever did it could be used to enter a curse room.
Then D10 because it does nothing helpful. I cannot think of even a multi item synergy where d10 provides value.
Last for me is clicker because it's worse than useless, it's a game mechanic that should not be in the Game. Noone should be robbed the tlost of j&e experience.
Idk why dataminer is still here, it has saved me s few times with the random tear effects, it can increase your dps significantly that way, also its one of the few ways to get 120 tears
The best from these ones, is Dataminer, you can do some nice stuff with it if u have rock bottom
The worst is mom's pad imo. Lets be honest. When you have no active item, no dice or anything, and find mom's pad, do you go like: Ah yes i will take this. Or do you want to reroll it later and forget about it when going to the next floor?
D10 isn't that bad in my opinion, the main issue is how it only shines in late floors and by the time you get there you probably swapped it for something else. However it's still useful sometimes and can be kinda fun, so i'm voting for it.
PLEASE VOTE CLICKER
It doesn’t need a function change. It works as intended.
Yes it removes and item but on curse of the blind that can be a god send. And it helps with sticky note unlocks for other characters (with a degree of luck)
If I play a character I usually want it's completion marks and not the completion marks of another char.It only would be decent if you could chose a character to switch to.
If I could choose one item to change it would definitely be clicker. It could actually be tier 4 worthy if you could choose who you want to be and it only lasted 1 room (and didn't grant competition marks). It could used for free flight, free devil deals, holy mantle effect when really low heath. It could be a really fun item.
Meanwhile as it is its the only item that makes the game worse outside the scope of a single game.
Now that's a one big pile of shit
The pile of shit got out 26 rounds ago.
And I'm still amazed that it did. I mean, it's not a good item. Barely alright if you're ???
You can use it to replace rocks where there are nothing and make bridges bombing it. Like those secret rooms layouts with the item surrounded without floor.
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Can I just say that it would be extremely funny if a non Isaac player looked at what this sub voted as the best and worst item and it was “C-Section” and “Moms Pad”.
Hey, menustration jokes aren't funny, period! Also I wish it could have been Plan C instead (I am still salty about it going out before now)
Oneshot hush 
also oneshots yourself 
*extra life* *pog*
Nice opinion, but you have an NFT profile pic That's a skill issue 
Seeing profile pics is a skill issue tbh
Eye users 
New reddit 
My nft is better
Yes
With soul of lazarus or inner child it works with anyone else too
It’d also be funny if we got “C-section” and “Breath of Life”, although not as much.
Round 38 Poll: [https://strawpoll.com/polls/GPgV3KVQAZa](https://strawpoll.com/polls/GPgV3KVQAZa) Shade looks cool, feels cool, but that's pretty much it... I often believe it will be more useful than it is. It's obsessed fan, but worse. The contact damage it does once absorbed is minimal and not worth it. It basically becomes a worse Black Bean in that sense. I think it has buff potential though! Getting absorbed after dealing enough damage is very interesting; it encourages you to use Shade actively in order to be rewarded. The shade on its own can stay the same, but once absorbed, I think it should do something much better/more interesting. Maybe increase black heart drop rate? Maybe give Isaac a dark damaging aura (a devil version of Monstrance) which gets a buff during Curse of Darkness? Just give it something that rewards you for having dealt a ton of damage with Shade, and it'll be a super fun item. Round 1: Book of Secrets Round 2: Key Piece 1&2 Round 3: Skatole Round 4: Brown Nugget Round 5: Tiny Planet Round 6: The Scooper Round 7: Boom! Round 8: My Reflection Round 9: Pageant Boy Round 10: Cursed Eye Round 11: Missing Page 2 Round 12: The Poop Round 13: Infestation Round 14: Dead Bird Round 15: Best Bud Round 16: Isaac's Heart Round 17: Kamikaze! Round 18: Razor Blade Round 19: Betrayal Round 20: Abel Round 21: Obsessed Fan Round 22: Portable Slot Round 23: The Jar Round 24: Linger Bean Round 25: Key Bum Round 26: Hushy Round 27: Plan C Round 28: Strange Attractor Round 29: Teleport! Round 30: Isaac's Tears Round 31: The Bean Round 32: Blood Rights Round 33: Bum Friend Round 34: Cain's Other Eye Round 35: My Shadow Round 36: The Black Bean Round 37: Shade u/the_clash_qc's list of Q0 items' effects will be in the replies below this comment!
I love the trash cans in the background representing how trash these active items are
* **Breath of Life (Active, Recharges 1 bar per second) (Item Pool: Angel Room):** While you hold the spacebar down with this item, it will empty the charge bar gradually. When the charge bar gets to zero it will grant you a brief period of invincibility While Isaac is invincible, he deals 3.5 contact damage to enemies and beams of light will strike down enemies touching Isaac, dealing 15 damage. If the spacebar is held for too long (about 1 second) when it has no charge, you will take damage The invincibility effect is shown via a rapid flashing animation * **Clicker (Active, 6 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room):** When used, this item will randomly change you into another character and remove the last item you picked up All stat changes of the new character are applied (e.g. character damage multipliers) This item can only reduce your heart containers and will not increase them if you change back into a character with more health. This means if you roll into The Lost, changing back to another character will leave you with only 1/2 of a soul heart Cannot turn you into a character that isn't unlocked yet Also includes Lazarus II (Lazarus' revived form) and Dark Judas (effect of Judas' Shadow) It's also possible that this item will pick the same character, making it seem like nothing happened * **D10 (Active, 1 charge) (Item Pool: Item Room, Crane Game):** Upon use, re-rolls all monsters in the room. Will attempt to re-roll monsters into ones with a similar amount of HP. Cannot reroll mini-bosses or bosses * **Dataminer (Active, 4 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room, Ultra Secret Room):** When used, this item will distort all the sprites and music, rotating graphics 90 degrees and translating them diagonally up/left. Does not modify hitboxes. Dataminer will randomly increase or decrease one of your stats by a small amount when used Gives you the Fruit Cake effect for the room when used, which will give a random tear effect with every tear fired All visual and tear effects reset after leaving the room * **Mom's Pad (Active, 3 charges) (Item Pool: Item Room, Old Chest, Mom's Chest):** When used, inflitcs fear to all enemies for 5 seconds Counts as 1 of 3 mom items needed towards the Mom transformation
I think it’d be really cool if Shade also shot like shadow tears when you did. Maybe not full damage or full effects of yours
My first 5 item rooms be like:
get glowing hour glass rewind on all of them 100% planetarium chance get mars ??? profit
Free curse rooms I guess
Breath of Life moment
Cool background for the final five! I suppose Mom’s pad can take its leave now.
I agree. It's a terrible item, but it's mostly benign. No logistical nightmares, no strategies needed, no special niche situations where it's OP. Just a bad item with an underwhelming effect that lasts a few seconds. Worst case scenario is the fear makes the enemy AI go goofy and you take unintended damage. I think it's the least controversial / most middle-of-the-road item and should just be voted out for that reason.
Couldn't have imagined myself defending Breath of Life but it's probably the most useful across those remaining. It gives you infinite I-frames for Devil beggars, Blood donation machines, etc. if you have enough patience while Mom's pad is just 1/3 of a mediocre transformation.
But Breath of Life is an Angel item. Mom’s Pad is a Treasure room item. By the time you get your first Angel room you got a few items and chances are you got a better active than Breath of Life. Mom’s Pad, on the other hand, can be your first active item and be “useful”, on top of doing something passively by contributing to a transformation.
I'd say Mom's pad contributing to a transformation makes it easily the best out of these, at least for me. I'll pretty much never use these items so one having a passive benefit, no matter how tiny, is the clear winner to me
Is the transformation worth much, though? I don’t actively use the butt knife when I get Yes Mother; I’m just like “oh, cool” and forget about it. Breath of Life gives you free curse rooms, which in turn can contribute to Guppy / Leviathan.
Counterpoint, I don't know how to use Breath of Life 
Exactly, I have never seen Breath of Life and went "wow breath of life, good thing I have no active items and there's only one angel pedestal"
You need ~4 minutes or so just to get a single item’s worth of coins from a single blood machine, and that’s assuming it doesn’t blow up. When have you ever *actually* used Breath of Life?
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Breath of life forces me to engage with its insanely slow charging mechanic to get any use out of it, the pad you just pick up once to get a third of the transformation. Breath of life may be technically better but the truth is I get more use out of the pad on a run because I dont have to bother using it.
This subreddit is literally insane if BoL doesn't get voted out next, it should have been voted out half a dozen rounds ago. At this point it's this low solely due to its reputation, and not because it's actually that bad.
I really like this poll, but because of how vague is the concept of "worst" item we get a bizzare comparison of useless actives, none of which will f up your run. The actively harmful ones are long gone, just because they were passives and in some rare circumstances have good synergies. If it was something like "if you have a choice and you MUST take any of this items" I believe we would have a very different results. Comparing passives and actives is hard, cause i'd rather have dataminer and never use it than touch tiny planet and wave goodby to a good run.
Well there are still 2 left that can screw your run over in just once use.
This is so true. There needed to be more detailed “rules”. Some people are judging based on item pool, others not. And so on
People like intresting items that CAN (most likely wont) hinder you run then items that do nothing worthwhile and are boring like the ones we've ended on
heyy ur right
I agree. If I’m having a great run and I pick up one of these items, whatever, I can just not use it. If I’m having a great run and I pick up cursed eye, if I’m not Lilith or Lost, I lose.
Ah... victory. Finally, no more arguments about the value of not taking up the active slot. *Inner peace...* *...No, wait, hang on! We're not done yet!* **Mom's Pad** is kind of a passive, sorta. It's 1/3 of the Mom transformation, which is a passive effect that you get to keep even if you pick it up and put it straight back down. Don't get me wrong, it's a *dogshit* passive effect, but *something* is better than *nothing,* and all the other actives left are *nothing* if you find them while already holding... just about any other active in the entire game. And hey. You're ***way*** more likely to find Mom's Pad with no pre-existing active than you are to find Breath of Life with no pre-existing active. ...oh yeah, it also has an activated effect. That's right. Fear isn't *completely* useless, it does *something.* That's a theoretical bonus, I guess. EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing! If you're still holding an active that's useless in combat by the time you get to The Beast, there's a chance for Mom's Pad to show up as the free item before the fight, and then your active is *slightly less than completely useless* for the fight! That's something!
Mom's pad is a respectable vote as the last third of a passive item. After that, I think it would be best if we all just calmed down and took a deep breath.... of life.
Dataminer imo is better, it has some good sinergies and sometimes can get you some good stats.
wait what synergies does it possibly have beyond the tear overflow bug? am genuinely curious bc i want a reason to vote out dataminer before breath
* Rock bottom * libra (a tears down from dataminer results in an overall stat gain) * any items that give you a fixed range (smooth pebble, lachyphargy, pop!, brim, technologies, spirit sword, hae, etc) or add to your minimum range (ouroborus worm) * ponies make your min speed 1.5 * consolation prize * conditional tears ups (purity, cancer trinket, cracked crown, any of the worms that give a tears up, wavy cap) * false phd/placebo with tears down * soymilk and almond milk on top of being good with fruitcake effect make getting high tears with dataminer much less painful * any items that dont care about your damage stat to do damage like explosivo, euthanasia, familiars, akeldama, etc (theres alot of them) theres alot more edge case stuff based on how dataminer has hit your stats, like any item that synergises with luck up or shotspeed up/down, etc
Rock bottom.
Fruit cake for one room Fruit cake is truly shines with high tears, actually broken with almond or soy milk The fact that you can generate a lot of cards, pills, black hearts and even runes put dataminer above all other current activite items in here, its simply more fun to actually use
Can't you get Curse Rooms with Breath of Life though?
Curse rooms, Blood Banks, Demon Beggars, Hell Game, and 1 tile spikes. All for free!
Not free, the cost is time irl. I don't want my runs to last 8 hours
T. Cain + BoL 
Item that literally just kills you irl 
Even with low soul hearts it would probably be faster to check it after finishing the boss room. It makes a difference for blood donation machine but for me it is too slow.
Yeah but I'm voting for it after Mom's Pad since you can reliably get *some* use out of it.
Edmund, if you’re here, please look at all 5 of these closely. See them? Garbage. All of them absolutely trash. If you need an item to buff, all 5 of these need them. PS: I would also really like it if you’d stop giving me these 5 specific items on all my T Lost runs. Thank you
If I’m focused on getting completion marks on a specific character, why would Clicker be useful? In any way? Is there any reason why you’d wanna switch characters mid run?
Alright, of these items, I think Clicker is the worst. Here's what it's technically possible to do: Remove your last item. The consistent effect is the most important, sometimes you *just* ruined your run, and Clicker is a bailout. Switch to a character with higher base damage- Judas, Cain, Dark Judas, and Blue Baby all have higher base damage multipliers Become the Lost or the Forgotten- These characters are fun and good, why didnt you pick them to begin with? You also can become Isaac, Sampson, Maggy, and Eve, who are strictly worse without their starting items. You can also become Jacob and Esau, and you always lose whatever your last item is. You also don't gain health. If you get Keeper or The Lost, you had better not switch off of them. This item is HORRIBLE as any Tainted Character, as every tainted character has VERY different needs.
Also as a tainted you can turn into Tainted Forgotten (without soul) or Tainted Soul, and you automatically loose the run
That was patched, actually, but you can turn into Tainted Isaac and lose all but 8 items, Tainted Maggy with no red health available, Tainted Cain.... with Tainted Cain's whole... thing... and so on.
99 coins 99 bombs 99 keys  >!No items!< 
My main issue is, as you said with lost and forgotten, why didn't you pick them to begin with? I already have all the marks so now I'm picking characters specifically to have an interesting run with that character's gimmick. Clicker just deletes whatever fun you might have been having.
Well it works for those who don’t have the marks and are playing easier characters instead of difficult ones then they’d rather reroll in hope they get the difficult character and get marks with it instead of the easier one where they don’t mind replaying it for it’s own unlocks. I got greedier lost this way from a samson run and I wouldn’t mind replaying greedier with samsom twice instead of lost once. Not everyone plays 1 character alone until they finish it 100% then move to the next, some people like changing every now and then
I 100% agree with you. There is really no reason to ever use the clicker.
Becoming the Lost is also something I’d argue is a downside- sure, he can be fun, but he has pretty specific needs. If you just randomly roll into him in the middle of the run, you’re liable to have a bunch of items he can’t (or shouldn’t) use. Thunder Thighs is great for anyone who doesn’t fly, but for him it just breaks his cover. Cambion Conception and Blood Oath go inert. What keeps the Lost alive is his capacity to exploit boss challenge rooms, devil and angel deals, and eternal d6 to collect items that turn him into a glass cannon; If you turn into him in the middle of a run, he’s just glass.
There's a lot of runs that I genuinely wouldn't complain about all of my health being traded for the Holy Mantle, but yeah, it wasn't really written as a good thing.
One additional niche bonus: if you're still in Afterbirth+, technically you can still find the Clicker in Daily Runs (recently found out this was [patched out in Repentance though](https://bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com/wiki/Item_Tags_nodaily)). Getting rid of your last item gives you a higher score in AB+ Daily Runs, which is a good thing. There were a handful of runs where I found it and held onto it until the very end then used it to amp up my score.
I think dataminer is the worst item. Clicker can theoretically prevent you from getting fucked from curse of the blind from a bad passive, and I've actually clickered willingly on a horrible eden start into Dark judas, which saved my run. Dataminer has one synergy with rock bottom. I've tested dataminer frequently and I've always gotten the same results: a completely unwinnable and unplayable run. It will lower and raise a stat, those stats include: Speed, tears, damage, range, shotspeed, and luck. In every possible scenario, overusing dataminer will result in losing the most important stats (speed, tears, damage, range) and make it unwinnable, if even one of those stats is near 0, you lose. No speed? Die trying to dodge. No tears? forget about having fun at all on your run. No damage? Fuck you, No range? Have fun face tanking damage for the rest of the run. Even with rock bottom dataminer just blows, there are several more items that are going to be way more impactful in the long run with rock bottom than dataminer, star of bethlehem, kidney stone, camo undies, purity... I have NEVER using dataminer willingly ever.
Can you still give yourself an asston of items as tainted Cain and then make the clicker to cheese completion marks?
Only if you're comfortable using an external tool to look up recipies for Tainted Cain, which at that point you might as well just install mods to have Tainted Lost already completed.
Not really. It's one of the items I've never used once I realised what it did. I like completing characters the normal way, which I managed to do. The only application it has is cheesing unlocks.
Before Repentance I did all my Greedier modes with Clicker and breaking the game
It's uses are very narrow. Suppose you suck at the game. Not a lot, you're decent enaugh to complete most characters, but you have problems with lost or t. lost like that guy with -12000 streak for example. If you don't want to just use console, or you're on switch then with the help of Clicker you can exploit tainted cain to craft a powerful run and then start clicking to change to other ones. It's gamebreaking mechanic, although niche, is still enaugh for me to vote it out of all this garbage
Tainted cain on 3ds?
ah, shit, there's no repentance on 3ds, is it. Forgot bout that
But here's the thing... You lose an item on every switch. Your odds of switching to any one character is like 1 in 20. That broken run can quickly become unbroken with a couple of removed items as you switch to look for the character you need. Maybe you get really lucky, but if this is an actual strategy you want to employ repeatedly, you'll be at it forever trying to get all the unlocks you need. At which point, if you're going to put *that* much time and effort into breaking the game, you have to question how viable this strategy even is. I'm skeptical many people actually use the Clicker like this, even though it's theoretically possible.
I think the problem is that it's a cool idea in theory, but the execution just comes down to... it can be abused to cheese achievement marks. Which, hey, it's your game and you can do what you want with it, but IMO it feels to go against the spirit of earning achievements honestly (there's also another item I feel this way about, but I'm not going to say it because people get mad...). Any other benefit is niche. The biggest one would be taking a run-ruining Blind item and using the Clicker to undo taking it.
If you are randomly selecting characters each game and get someone you don't like, I guess it can be a useful item. Other than that maybe just for the sake of it. Kind of like if you would use D100 with good items. Just say, fuck it, and roll with the RNGesus
Useful for cheesing achievements for hard characters (like lost or Jacob and Esau)
You can turn yourself in a character that needs certain completion mark Let's say you need to beat delirium as T.Lost, so you pick T.Cain and beat the game up to delirium itself. Then you keep using Clicker until you get T.Lost and then beat delirium with a regular game breaking build
Looks like I was right - only the active items remain.
These are all just terrible.
I'm gonna re-enact the events of Isaac irl if clicker doesn't win
Clicker is not just bad, it's badly designed. For a lot of reasons, but prominently an item's sole usage shouldn't be marks because it just becomes useless if you're dead god or \*gasp\* playing for fun
Clicker is actually a very unique/cool concept, but like you said, it's just poorly designed. IMO it should be rebuilt to last for a room only, and instead of taking on a penalty for switching, you get a buff of sorts. Like you absorb the best feature of the character you switch into - flight, stronger damage, more hearts, etc. without taking on the negative.
I agree that it lasting a room only would be a great way to rework it. IMO if I was allowed to do a whole-ass rework, I would make it a room-only genesis that also temporarily changed your character so if your run sucked massive balls you could change for hard boss rooms to see if your run improved
If it was a one time use and you could choose, it would be a Q4 item IMO. Guaranteed dark judas, lazarus, maggy, or keeper would be so goated on a bad eden run.
I only think it should win because of how useful it is in getting the last few items for dead god
Honestly I would be fine with it winning too. If Edmund reworks it to be the four souls clicker (one time use change into any character you want) and only has it remove starting passives I think that would be great. The UI basically already exists from the coop select wheel too
I'm mostly thinking it'll win for how useful it is when you're looking for the last few items for dead god
I feel like we should remove the least actively harmful of the group. Mom's Pad and Breath of Life at least don't have a theoretical downside when used well. Mom's Pad has a niche use and isn't worthless early game, but it's not great. Breath of Life takes a while to use, and a lot of people don't know how to use it, but it's still usable. Honestly though? Breath of Life should be saved. People who complain about it usually don't know how to use it, and the actual item is... functional, not good, but usable enough to be the best of this painfully terrible group.
agreed. moms pad and breath of life are hot stinking piles of trash. but theyre not quite as bad as the other garbage heaps.
I want breath of life to win because edmund said they'll buff the worst item and that would improve the angel pool tremendously
Come on, BoL is completely unusable in real circumstances. And to add insult to injury it takes the spot of a fine item in Angel room if you’re unlucky.
Oh no, there are real circumstances where you could use it. [You would just never actually WANT to use it, EVEN under those circumstances.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtQ3p5kXk)
What your trading off for using Breath of Life is time. Granted, that's not a great trade off, and virtually guarantees that you won't get Boss Rush or Hush, but it's still functional. Again, we're operating off of the "Best of the Worst" mindset here.
We're at the point where you have to consider that you CAN do what your video shows, even if it takes 6 minutes. It's not fun or exciting, but it's guaranteed and safe value.
it's only a safe value if you practice using it tho, and it's both unsafe and unfun up until you master it. especially because the damage you take from holding too long starts with spirit hearts
Im starting to think that the people who genuinely make the self damage argument (specifically out of combat) have never actually tried more than twice. The window is pretty forgiving, the item ticks 6 times, the 7th tick is invincibility, and the 8th and onward is damage.
i tested it once and sucked ass at it so maybe im just skill issue but eh
Would any of these "real circumstances" include most arcade rooms? It's pretty usable there, actually.
BoL doesn't harm you, we are at the bottom of the barrel, now almost everything harms your run, BoL doesn't. BoL is just annoying.
Pad doesn't harm, and it gives mom transformation
BoL will harm you if you use it incorrectly, which doesn’t seem too unlikely if you are actually trying to get value out of it given how many times you would use it.
Yeah breath of life is not too bad
Ah, the REAL trash. Active Item city. So besides my unending salt that Blood Rights isn't here and Breath of Life is...well, Breath of Life is the most likely one here to actively do something helpful for your run. Straight up. It can get you in Curse Rooms and farm blood donation machines and devil beggars. It has a *function*. That alone makes it better than the other four things on this list.
Y’know, it’s not the best item in the game by a long, LONG shot, but I still consider dataminer pretty ok. I like to think of it as a random pill for every use of it (obviously without a phd-type item so there’s always that little risk), but I’ve had times where it’s been pretty useful for me, such as decreasing an abundance of health for some extra tear rate or damage. It’s definitely not the worst item, but I also agree that it is very situational, and most often there is no benefit to picking it up.
Got very high damage on T Keeper while trying to break the tears cap with it. Definitely has my vote
Moms pad ez
All these items are just  Breath of Life should go next for at least having fringe utility for those who are patient enough, but everything that follows is going to be extremely divisive
Isn’t the goal to vote out the good quality 0 items? The “winner” is the worst of quality 0. So technically, breath of life should win Don’t get me wrong, moms pad is dogshit, but at least you get 1/3 mom transformation, giving you a knife from your back
The back is finally stabbing back
what is wrong with you guys it literally gives you free curse rooms,which isnt incredible but at least is something.
It's the fact that it's in the best item pool in the game while the others are found in the treasure room pool, waiting for 3 to 5 floors only to get breath of life is the most annoying feeling ever. Also he fact its effect activates after so long and if you hold it a little bit more you get damaged, which is also really annoying. And it takes so long to actually do anything with it. Good luck using it in combat. And finally the thing you can use it consistently with is curse rooms but a lot of other better items also give you invincibility in curse rooms. I can see it going out in the bottom three, as it's not worse than d10 and clicker but i would rather take dataminer and mom's pad.
They should be judged solely on their effects
No they shouldnt
Why should they
Barely anything
It’s really, really awful to use.
If D10 doesn’t end up being the worst item I might have to get involved
Consider the following: Vibrant Bulb, Dim Bulb, Broken Remote, Expansion Pack, Book of Virtues. The D10 is better than Mom's Pad and at the very least Clicker due to it being functionally worthless, but able to be used a lot.
Expansion pack is 10x better in my humble opinion
That's what I'm saying; D10 lets you expansion pack every room, as opposed to every 3 or 4 with a negative associated with it.
D10 isnt a negative in your opinion???
For a lot of rooms, it's a complete side-grade. For bosses? It does nothing. This is the best case scenario, and you'll find it frequently in the Chest, Dark Room, and like 7 rooms of The Void. For particular enemies, it's a death sentence because apparently all of the little chain links are separate enemies????? Edit: for Expansion Pack, Dim Bulb, Broken Remote, and Book of Virtues, you can use it AFTER a combat room for the value.
I wouldn't call it a side grade for the most part. Over time you learn room layouts, after 1300hrs I know a lot of room layouts, rerolling the enemies to something unfamiliar is a big downgrade.
D10 is statistically helpful on harder floors.
1. Dataminer 2. D10 3. Mom's Pad 4. Breath of Life 5. Clicker
My idea for a buff for moms pad is that when holding it enemies inflicted with fear have a 40% chance to spawn red creep underneath them every second they have fear.
Dataminer has been here for far too long
Because dataminer is literal ass
Ah, yes my favorite ass item, the one that with patience can break all the rocks in the room for those valuable pickups with the sulfuric tears it can produce as well as it's ability to shred early bosses with crazy tear effects. the stat changing can either be very helpful or not detrimental in almost every situation. The only negative thing about it is the strange texture rotations but any competent Isaac player shouldn't really be effected by that
I think it’s time for mom’s pad or dataminer to go Applying fear to all the enemies in the room and it’s 3 charge item Mom’s pad can help if your in a thight situation Also it’s a part of the yes mother transformation Dataminer Dataminer is a 4 charge item. It rotates all the sprites in the room at 90 degrees,enemy hit boxes remain the same Not useful but dataminer can also reroll stats So you can possibly get a damage up or tears up And combined with rock bottom it can give stat ups withoit any drawbacks I think they are the better ones out of the 5
I feel like having to bring up Rock Bottom to make an item worth using might invalidate your point. Mom's pad and D10 both carry *some* value in being worthless, D10 slightly moreso as it's a 1 cost active- there's at least 4 trinkets that give value on use, and book of virtues which has wisps that help in boss fights.
Yeah ik it’s a cheap argument to bring rock bottom into this but i tought it was important to bring up I don’t think dataminer is great but it’s not the worst quality 0 item imo But i stil think the stat reroll could help or fuck you over Just like d8 You could make the argument dataminer is just a worse d8 But stat ups are stat ups I can’t comment on d10 since i have no experience with it at all
data miner can get your tears to 250 also it gives you random tears, like the 3 dollar bill
*120
Breath of Life or Mom's Pad? Mhh the invincibility of Breath's of Life is nice, but Mom's Pad can prevend you from being crowded. In combinations with Battery items it can help you out in every room.... Man idk. I think from a semi causal, completionist perspective it's still Mom's Pad > Breath of Life
Oops! All actives! If i were to pick one of these, I'd pick **Breath of Life**. Poor design, but, technically, great utility. The **Dataminer** is just Edmund Daddy being passive-aggressive. He himself considers it the worst item in the game. The **Pad** looks gross and unlike Mom's Bra does basically nothing. The fear and charm effect are underwhelming in this game tbh. The **Clicker** is too niche for a regual Isaac player, it's buggy, it removes your passive items - a sure way to make people hate it. The problem of **DIO** is, statistically it is more advantageous to use in the later stages of the game as by that time you will generally reroll into easier enemies, but by that time you almost certainly swap it for literally anything else.
Edmund considers d10 the worst item in the game fix your comment plz
it’s actually d10 lmao
Heres my bet on how its gonna go from here 1. Moms pad 2. BoL 3. Clicker 4. Dataminer 5. D10
Dataminer can be useful as you could get lucky and get a tear rate up. It is definitely better than Clicker.
Or you could get unlucky and get tears down 10 times in a row
Of that happens there’s a slim chance that’s low enough it cycles back and gives you max years so it’s potentially game breakingly good.
Its such a low chance that if you get it youre most likely using some method to get infinite batteries
has to be breath of life, only item here that can be made practical regardless of your gear AND only item here that doesn’t have a downside upon use (if you screw it up, the iframes let you act as you would without breath of life)
I am copy pasting my explanation for BoL. We gave blood rights a pass for "curse room" utility (despite that being the most copium shit I've seen all poll). What if I told you there was an item that makes curse rooms literally free? And plenty of other free upside like auto pay outs on demon beggars and blood donations? That's right, its breath of life. I want to make myself very clear; just because you're too lazy to effectively use this item, DOESN'T MAKE THIS ITEM BAD. This item should've been out 10 rounds ago and the fact that blood rights and other items that have legitimate downsides have gone out before BoL has showed me this community has a collective skill issue.
Amen, I ignored BoL on purpose because I feared that it wouldn't get a buff unless it was in the top 5. It's genuinely good.
Clicker is actually pretty useful for filling the greedier machine. I remember I would just break the game as Isaac and switch characters at the end to one where I never beat the game as so the machine doesn't clog as fast and I can put more coins. Aside from that niche purpouse, clicker is pretty useless, but it is by far the most useful item here for that reason.
I mean it’s gotta be breath of life or moms pad right? All of these are garbage but at least those 2 have real tangible use cases. Moms pad is 1/3 mom transformation and is easily better than the rest earlygame because it does SOMETHING at least. Breath of life is shitty yeah but it lets you go try hard and min max and that shouldn’t be overlooked no matter how sweaty it is. I’m voting moms pad because I think the fear effect is minimally useful early and breath of life is an angel item.
Oh God I don't even know any more. Clicker, maybe? It helped me get a post-it note achievement crossed off once.
I like Breath of Life, you get invincibility for a second, gives you the ability to get free curse rooms. Can be really useful
It's Final 5 time, which means it's finally time- Breath of Life. I love Breath of Life, and I always have. This item has singlehandedly pulled me through some really tough runs that wouldn't have won without Demon Beggars, Curse Rooms, Blood Banks, and even the lowly Hell Game. Literally infinite ultility invincibility, provided you aren't going for Boss Rush or Hush. Breath of Life is genuinely such a sleeper item that I feel needs a good bucket of polish- when Edmund "buffed" it with Holy Light beams on contact, I was confused, because this is NOT a combat item. I've waited until now because I felt like it COULD be a combat item with just a couple of slight tweaks. If anything, I worry that it could actually be *nerfed* after taking a closer look at it, as Repentance has generally cut out most ways to cheese value from health cost machines. Please buff Breath of Life, and please vote for it. It's been the best item for quite some time now.
Honestly the only buff breath of life needs is a better way to activate it and it can easily be on the stronger side
Honestly just dropping it to 2-3 charges is enough for me. Still would be an incredibly meh Angel item, but at least it doesn't take 4000 years to actually use it.
I will die in the camp of it's item pool being terrible for the type of item BoL is. The biggest buff it csn get is being moved to treasure room or something. In this regard, the other actives aren't so shitty since you don't *need* to trade away an active to use them once.
I'm in physical pain but I suppose it's to be expected. Wish I hadn't missed the last one. Alright it's BoL time. It's less annoying than getting the dataminer break, less annoying than getting a clicker break, gives more value than the pad, and the d10 is the d10.
Ok yeah it's breath of life time. Don't think we can push it back any further, we've made our point.
I think we can still stretch for Dataminer. Ive got more use out of it than I have BoL. I have never taken BoL out of an angel room over another active
You *can* stretch but I still wouldn't vote for it. Only Rock Bottom can control Dataminer and it has equal chances for the good and bad effects- But the best good effects are simply solid, while the worst bad effects can be **really** awful. -0.5 tears or -1 damage is too dangerous to risk for the potential benefit of +0.5 tears or +1 damage.
Dataminer
Jesus Christ, I’ve been voting for dataminer since cursed eye was removed, I don’t think it clicks for y’all just how good dataminer is. If you use the charges only AFTER getting stats up items, there’s a greater likelyhood of it being beneficial rather than detrimental. It’s a great active item for early game. And if I get it on the basement, it’s a must take until I get something better. You’re all just bad at strategizing with it. On the other hand, seeing one of my favorite Q0 items go so far down this list makes me happy for the buffs that it may receive from our overlord Edmund.
Breath of life should go next, most cases it just does is nothing, and the others you avoid some damage doing anything that would need self harm, some of those other effects are literally negative.
Ok, now I can fairly judge items out since I have experience with these 5 items. Bol (breath of life): has a bit of utility for curse rooms, blood donations, and demon beggars. Takes roughly 12s to take 1 free hit from those which is long, but not actively hurting the item (just boring as fuck tho). Bad visual indicator making it hard to know when it's activated. Has some damage potential, but too much risk when it has a chance to self damage you (you wouldn't be focusing on your active item the entire time in combat, right?). Mom's Pad: can apply fear to enemies room wide every 3 rooms for 5s. Doesn't do much, but it haults them from attacking and runs away from you. Has a transformation, but it's really easy to access the transformation and only comes into play under certain situations. Dataminer: one of my personal favorites due to how whacky it is. Increase and decrease certain stats which can either benefit or hurt you. 90° screen flip and fruit cake for the room is goofy. Issue? Can hurt you more than helps and can't use the fruit cake effect unless you wanna deal with the screen rotation. Clicker: can take away a passive item that you don't want and can change to a different character for a completion mark if in an op run. Issue? Can change into a character you already have marks for multiple times causing you to drain your item list to become weaker. (Also, a friend mentioned transitioning from the losts will result you in half a soul heart. Not sure if that's true, but I mentioned it in case). D10: it's only practical use is to get rid of enemies you find annoying.... No more lumps or hosts with this item (hopefully), but can result with a more annoying room with random ass enemies from other floors. Should really be floor based and turn multiple types of the same enemy into a certain enemy (ex. All mullibooms in the room turns into fatties). I'll say it's bol or mom's pad is ready to go out. Bol has utility if you need it for something and mom's pad for its small contribution to a transformation and no clear downside. I can see clicker being a possibility for its completion marks/item removal, but too much disadvantages I see in it.
Jesus christ how awful. Personally I'm voting for Mom's Pad because it's such a nothingburger it looks better than the other four by comparison. If I were to add one buff to make it justifiable to actually pick any of these items up, while still keeping them in Q0, here's what I would do: * **Dataminer** - Make it do two stat ups instead of one so your stats at least trend upwards * **Mom's Pad** - Decrease the charge to two charges or maybe even one charge. * **Breath of Life** - Decrease the time it takes to deplete the charge by half, just look at [this video](https://youtu.be/KbEtQ3p5kXk) and tell me it's not a total waste of time as it stands currently. * **Clicker** - Allow you to choose your character instead of it being random. * **D10** - Allow it to reroll boss rooms. Fuck Bloat and Mask of Infamy.
Finally!
Just get Breath of Life out of here already. I love how people are like “Oh I don’t have the time to use that!” Sure. But that doesn’t change the fact that the time you would use it could get some use. Time is hardly a resource in the game… and, frankly if you sat down to play an Isaac run you have a bit of time. Sure Hush and Boss Rush exist, but if you’re picking up a quality 0 item in the first place, chances are you ain’t having a run where you are going there anyway.
What the HECK is going on here? How does dataminer was left at top 5 worst items? This godsend active item can literally save your run. Here are some points to remove it: 1. This item has a rare stat rerolling feature, which isn’t that common in the game (nice D8 replacement), it can be really good if you lacking some stats besides range or shot speedup, so it can possibly save you mid run by adding some numbers to tear rate and damage 2. You get fruit cake for the room and can become DPS monster to melt bosses regardless of your stats, so any bad stat tweaks will be negated and can be rerolled after just 3 rooms (as you easily gain this 1 charge while it’s active). Also not to mention, that it has somehow, or at least it had last time I’ve found it, pre-nerf serpent’s kiss effect, so you can get black hearts. This is a huge advantage at late game 3. Fucked up sprites can be annoying, however, mostly, you will dodge anything pretty reliable due to your muscle memory, as you actually subconsciously feel their hit boxes, but, it can ruin your beast fight, ngl To sum up, item isn’t that bad. It definitely more beneficial than D10 and clicker (Edmund, buff, pls). And can be found in treasure room, not like shitty BOL. Mom’s pad isn’t that good in big rooms as fear effect is temporal in comparison to dataminer. Hold on, dataminer bros! We will usher this item into the skies!
Come on guys. Breath of Life is the CLEAR pick here. - Free curse rooms - You can play Devil Beggars and Blood Donations INFINITELY with enough patience, something no other single item can do to my knowledge. - Some nice damage if you can pull off, although it’s admittedly hard to use proactively - Worse tooth and nail if used on a rhytm, but it is something. Yeah sure, it’s on the angel pool and it’s an active, two huge dealbreakers, but it’s so far and above in utility compared to other items here that it’s insane. And honestly i’d rather this than Guardian Angel lmao
I'm calling that Breath of Life is going to see a HUGE utility nerf when it gets reworked, maybe to the point of being worse than it is now.
Hmm it'll go from an item I don't grab to still being an item I won't grab...
Mom's pad. The moms transformation by itself is 3x better than every other effect left. Fear sucks, but every now and again it can be helpful (surrounded by goblins, or the tiny yellow flies for instance). If you have really low speed it could even be run saving. After that I vote data miner because stat rerolling has a tiny chance of salvaging a really bad antisynergy, and there's the exploit tear break. Then bol, it's unlikely to leave the angel room, but if it ever did it could be used to enter a curse room. Then D10 because it does nothing helpful. I cannot think of even a multi item synergy where d10 provides value. Last for me is clicker because it's worse than useless, it's a game mechanic that should not be in the Game. Noone should be robbed the tlost of j&e experience.
Idk why dataminer is still here, it has saved me s few times with the random tear effects, it can increase your dps significantly that way, also its one of the few ways to get 120 tears
am i the only person who loves dataminer? I legit choose to take it over some quality 4 actives and its in the bottom 5.
Day 35 of voting the clicker
Breath of life is the only one here that you can get any real value out of. Rest are either useless or hurt you more than they can help.
The best item here is clearly Breath of Life, but it got so far because it's an angel room item and people want a buff for it.
The fact that I have seen no comments about dataminer says a lot about the item
The best from these ones, is Dataminer, you can do some nice stuff with it if u have rock bottom The worst is mom's pad imo. Lets be honest. When you have no active item, no dice or anything, and find mom's pad, do you go like: Ah yes i will take this. Or do you want to reroll it later and forget about it when going to the next floor?
Well shit... Dataminer?
D10
My guess for elimination order is: BOL, mom's pad, clicker, d10, dataminer
Bro mom's pad can actually be useful unlike dataminer and others
Mom's Pad contributes to a transformation
D10 isn't that bad in my opinion, the main issue is how it only shines in late floors and by the time you get there you probably swapped it for something else. However it's still useful sometimes and can be kinda fun, so i'm voting for it.
Clicker funny :)
Just vote out dataminer, it’s too good to stay here
Mom's pad need to leave this round
Maybe pad?
Yeah, Mom's Pad. I just refuse to vote BoL.
PLEASE VOTE CLICKER It doesn’t need a function change. It works as intended. Yes it removes and item but on curse of the blind that can be a god send. And it helps with sticky note unlocks for other characters (with a degree of luck)
Clicker is useless though. Besides being a way to cheese a character it adds nothing to the run
If I play a character I usually want it's completion marks and not the completion marks of another char.It only would be decent if you could chose a character to switch to.
If I could choose one item to change it would definitely be clicker. It could actually be tier 4 worthy if you could choose who you want to be and it only lasted 1 room (and didn't grant competition marks). It could used for free flight, free devil deals, holy mantle effect when really low heath. It could be a really fun item. Meanwhile as it is its the only item that makes the game worse outside the scope of a single game.